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bahahahahahhahaha
wait - I guess I can't laugh at them or that would somehow make me a hypocrite ::)
Let's all be glad the Justice Department caught these nutjobs before they killed innocent people
http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/03/29/michigan.arrests/index.html?hpt=T1
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How does one "fight" the Anti-Christ?
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How does one "fight" the Anti-Christ?
beats me but you can't criticize them without being a hypocrite (at least according to our resident logician Tony)
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beats me but you can't criticize them without being a hypocrite (at least according to our resident logician Tony)
for those that want to follow this idiot for 10 pages here...
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=325591.0
its sad but funny
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for those that want to follow this idiot for 10 pages here...
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=325591.0
its sad but funny
it is sad but not really that funny
mostly it's just sad and stupid
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it is sad but not really that funny
mostly it's just sad and stupid
Ill agree with that ;)
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Ill agree with that ;)
it just got a bit sadder :'(
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How much do you want to bet that Maddow and her band of fools at MSNBC tie this into the tea partys?
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How does one "fight" the Anti-Christ?
I guess you go to 1600 Pennsylvania Ave with a Cross, Bible, and Holy Water.
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Since God, obviously, did not heed the prayers of his children calling for Obama's death, they have decided that God's Will be damned... they will take matters into their own hands?
yeah... ok. Typical Christianity stupidity.
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Since God, obviously, did not heed the prayers of his children calling for Obama's death, they have decided that God's Will be damned... they will take matters into their own hands?
yeah... ok. Typical Christianity stupidity.
These people were not simply Obama haters.This will be the spin the fools at MSNBC will put on it but their targets were not Obama officials but police and the anti-Christ.
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I guess you go to 1600 Pennsylvania Ave with a Cross, Bible, and Holy Water.
This guy will fix the problem at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue
(http://www.myfreewallpapers.net/movies/wallpapers/exorcist.jpg)
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What a great job by the FBI, ATF etc
They took down the group without incident and that's gotta be a nerve wracking experience because these were not stable people. Even the Michigan Militia spokesperson said they were pretty much insane.
On a side note i do wonder just how badly this age of instant media effects our justice system. Often the court of public opinion is set long before a trail or charges have been filed. It makes me wonder if freedom of information is worth potential prejudice in many public interest cases. Or if that information should be held onto until a jury has decided based on the evidence seen not on some prejudiced decision they made because CNN or Fox News reported how they deserve punishment.
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What a great job by the FBI, ATF etc
They took down the group without incident and that's gotta be a nerve wracking experience because these were not stable people. Even the Michigan Militia spokesperson said they were pretty much insane.
On a side note i do wonder just how badly this age of instant media effects our justice system. Often the court of public opinion is set long before a trail or charges have been filed. It makes me wonder if freedom of information is worth potential prejudice in many public interest cases. Or if that information should be held onto until a jury has decided based on the evidence seen not on some prejudiced decision they made because CNN or Fox News reported how they deserve punishment.
Well that one for three for them because WACO and RUBY RIDGE didnt go quite as well.
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Well that one for three for them because WACO and RUBY RIDGE didnt go quite as well.
Nope they didn't at all. It seems they have learned from it by taking down this group of nutcases safely and without incident.
It's always nice when the FBI get some much deserved positive publicity.
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This is no surprise considering all the rhetoric being tossed around.
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Yawn. More fodder for the paranoid anti-religious extremists. ::)
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Yawn. More fodder for the paranoid anti-religious extremists. ::)
Religious fundamentalism is modern society's largest threat.
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Religious fundamentalism is modern society's largest threat.
When I am getting raped daily by taxes, sinc taxes, fees, costs, etc, mandates, laws infringing on liberty, etc, religious nut jobs dont come to mind.
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When I am getting raped daily by taxes, sinc taxes, fees, costs, etc, mandates, laws infringing on liberty, etc, religious nut jobs dont come to mind.
Without religious nutjobs we wouldn't be in the middle east.
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When I am getting raped daily by taxes, sinc taxes, fees, costs, etc, mandates, laws infringing on liberty, etc, religious nut jobs dont come to mind.
maybe you need to worship something else in your life other than money.
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Religious fundamentalism is modern society's largest threat.
Maybe in the Middle East. Certainly not in this country.
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How does one "fight" the Anti-Christ?
Good question. I read the article thinking they'd explain more about that but they didn't.
Maybe there is another link where they cover what they meant by this?
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Good question. I read the article thinking they'd explain more about that but they didn't.
Maybe there is another link where they cover what they meant by this?
Like I said - go to 1600 PA Ave. with a bible, cross and Holy Water.
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Maybe in the Middle East. Certainly not in this country.
Funny.
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Funny.
And true.
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Like I said - go to 1600 PA Ave. with a bible, cross and Holy Water.
Ah! Took me a minute!
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Without religious nutjobs we wouldn't be in the middle east.
I beg to differ. We are not in the Mideast because of religion, all ostenstible claims to the contrary notwithstanding...
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And true.
Fixed. Christian fundamentalism has turned us against tolerance and towards judgment. Groups like this prove this.
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Fixed. Christian fundamentalism has turned us against tolerance and towards judgment. Groups like this prove this.
Christians are no more a threat in this country than paranoid anti-religious extremists. The overwhelming majority of people in this country are Christian. We have over 200 million. The fact a handful of nuts committed a crime says nothing about the majority of the country. But like I said earlier, it does provide material for those desperate to bash religious folks.
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Christians are no more a threat in this country than paranoid anti-religious extremists. The overwhelming majority of people in this country are Christian. We have over 200 million. The fact a handful of nuts committed a crime says nothing about the majority of the country. But like I said earlier, it does provide material for those desperate to bash religious folks.
Not desperate to bash anyone. I just don't try to hide from the truth. For a christian nation we sure have a lot of crime, murder, drug use, per capita pollution of God's gift to us the Earth, worship of false idols and money, not to mention the largest producers and consumers of pornography.
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Not desperate to bash anyone. I just don't try to hide from the truth. For a christian nation we sure have a lot of crime, murder, drug use, per capita pollution of God's gift to us the Earth, worship of false idols and money, not to mention the largest producers and consumers of pornography.
What truth? That a handful of criminals are representative of the more than 200 million Christians in this country? That's distortion.
So we have crime, etc. and this establishes what exactly? If you have any experience with Christianity (I have no idea if you do), then you know that "all have sinned," so the fact we have a lot of social problems isn't news. It certainly does nothing to support the false contention that Christians are a threat to this country.
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Fixed. Christian fundamentalism has turned us against tolerance and towards judgment. Groups like this prove this.
True, very true.
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True, very true.
So long as they are not infringing upon my rights economically or socially, i really dont care if they are judgemental, hypocrticial or whatever.
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So long as they are not infringing upon my rights economically or socially, i really dont care if they are judgemental, hypocrticial or whatever.
I guess...living in NYC you are shielded from them.
If you lived in Utah or Wyoming you might think differently...
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I guess...living in NYC you are shielded from them.
If you lived in Utah or Wyoming you might think differently...
I guess the potholes on Webster Ave., the drunk mics on Katonah Ave., the criminals in Bronx Criminal Court, and the traffic on Pelham Prkwy, are more immediate issues for me. ;D ;D ;D
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I guess the potholes on Webster Ave., the drunk mics on Katonah Ave., the criminals in Bronx Criminal Court, and the traffic on Pelham Prkwy, are more immediate issues for me. ;D ;D ;D
Eh, at least that stuff makes sense...Christian militia groups don't make sense.
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I beg to differ. We are not in the Mideast because of religion, all ostenstible claims to the contrary notwithstanding...
Religion plays a huge part in out mid east policies. With all the technological advances in America you have to wonder why we aren't already free of oil dependency sooner unless staying there suited some motive.
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Religion plays a huge part in out mid east policies. With all the technological advances in America you have to wonder why we aren't already free of oil dependency sooner unless staying there suited some motive.
Uhm, sure, the motive being Exxon, Shell, etc...they want to milk profits for as long as they can.
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What truth? That a handful of criminals are representative of the more than 200 million Christians in this country? That's distortion.
So we have crime, etc. and this establishes what exactly? If you have any experience with Christianity (I have no idea if you do), then you know that "all have sinned," so the fact we have a lot of social problems isn't news. It certainly does nothing to support the false contention that Christians are a threat to this country.
No your type of Christians are the distortion. I just provided you with a factual list of what goes on in this 'Christian America' today. That is the threat the intolerance, the warped views, the complete degradation of society and the me first attitude. Money as your god and sex and violence as your teachers. THAT is 'Christian America' and it's not working.
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That militia group will get the last laugh after the AntiChrist shows up and wipes out our military
everyone knows that the only thing that can stop the AntiChrist is a bunch of inbred hicks running around the woods in camo
we're doomed
at least guys like Beach Bum will be ratpured by then so they won't have to deal with it but the rest of us are SOL
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That militia group will get the last laugh after the AntiChrist shows up and wipes out our military
everyone knows that the only thing that can stop the AntiChrist is a bunch of inbred hicks running around the woods in camo
we're doomed
at least guys like Beach Bum will be ratpured by then so they won't have to deal with it but the rest of us are SOL
Raptured, LOL!
Sometimes I forget you can be funny.
It is ironic... I wrote fundamentalism but Beach automatically included all Christians. :)
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No your type of Christians are the distortion. I just provided you with a factual list of what goes on in this 'Christian America' today. That is the threat the intolerance, the warped views, the complete degradation of society and the me first attitude. Money as your god and sex and violence as your teachers. THAT is 'Christian America' and it's not working.
Actually all you've done is recite a list of well-known societal problems and attempted to tie those problems to a handful of criminals, and then brand all 200 million-plus Christians in this country. There is no nexus.
It also isn't something that Christianity teaches. The fact people engage in anti-Christian behavior only proves we have sinners. This isn't news.
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Raptured, LOL!
Sometimes I forget you can be funny.
It is ironic... I wrote fundamentalism but Beach automatically included all Christians. :)
Like there's a difference. lol. Anyone with sincerely held religious beliefs, and who has strong adherence to those beliefs is a "fundamentalist." That's most of your country. You're surrounded. lol . . . .
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Like there's a difference. lol. Anyone with sincerely held religious beliefs, and who has strong adherence to those beliefs is a "fundamentalist." That's most of your country. You're surrounded. lol . . . .
My definition is more stringent, LOL!
I see no difference between fundamentalists of any religion other than an ability to impose their will on others.
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My definition is more stringent, LOL!
I see no difference between fundamentalists of any religion other than an ability to impose their will on others.
What are your defintions of "fundamentalist" and "Christian fundamentalist"?
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What are your defintions of "fundamentalist" and "Christian fundamentalist"?
My Def.: Someone convinced the Bible, Koran, Talmud, Green Eggs and Ham, or whatever they read is literally the word of God.
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My Def.: Someone convinced the Bible, Koran, Talmud, Green Eggs and Ham, or whatever they read is literally the word of God.
Thanks. That's most of the United States. Christianity teaches that the Bible is literally the word of God.
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Thanks. That's most of the United States. Christianity teaches that the Bible is literally the word of God.
Fundamentalists have given themselves permission to impose their beliefs on others. There's no difference between our whackos and theirs.
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Fundamentalists have given themselves permission to impose their beliefs on others. There's no difference between our whackos and theirs.
Except your definition of whackos includes the overwhelming majority of the country. There is a distinct difference between "us" and "them."
How is it that Christians impose their beliefs on others?
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Except your definition of whackos includes the overwhelming majority of the country. There is a distinct difference between "us" and "them."
How is it that Christians impose their beliefs on others?
Abortion, blue laws, middle east politics, etc...
If there is any difference, their whackos have stronger faith and don't believe dying is a huge deal . They don't have the comforts of America to live for. :)
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Abortion, blue laws, middle east politics, etc...
If there is any difference, their whackos have stronger faith and don't believe dying is a huge deal . They don't have the comforts of America to live for. :)
Laws are enacted by the voters, so in a sense the fact certain laws are passed supports your belief that certain segments of society "force" their beliefs on others. But what you're really complaining about is the democratic process.
Regarding abortion, people who are pro life aren't all necessarily Christians, or pro life because of their Christianity. I don't really see abortion as Christians trying to impose Christian views on others. There are a sizeable number of pro life legislators from both parties.
Blue laws were passed by a number of legislatures and serve a secular purpose (or least that's what I've read). Still, it's the political process that is responsible for this.
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Laws are enacted by the voters, so in a sense the fact certain laws are passed supports your belief that certain segments of society "force" their beliefs on others. But what you're really complaining about is the democratic process.
Regarding abortion, people who are pro life aren't all necessarily Christians, or pro life because of their Christianity. I don't really see abortion as Christians trying to impose Christian views on others. There are a sizeable number of pro life legislators from both parties.
Blue laws were passed by a number of legislatures and serve a secular purpose (or least that's what I've read). Still, it's the political process that is responsible for this.
Fundies believe want us to follow what they think are God's laws.
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So I guess it turns out there was an undercover agent in the group. Would be interesting to know if he encouraged the plot and to what degree.
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So I guess it turns out there was an undercover agent in the group. Would be interesting to know if he encouraged the plot and to what degree.
Have you ever considered the possibility that you, Hugo, might be the Antichrist? :D
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Abortion, blue laws, middle east politics, etc...
If there is any difference, their whackos have stronger faith and don't believe dying is a huge deal . They don't have the comforts of America to live for. :)
Blue Laws suck! I was in connecticut once and tried to get beer on a sunday and the damn beer isles were covered with drapes. They dont seel beer on sundays and I was too far from NY border. That sunday sucked!
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Have you ever considered the possibility that you, Hugo, might be the Antichrist? :D
(http://www.imagedonkey.com/out.php?i=31836_devilwagging.gif)
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(http://www.imagedonkey.com/out.php?i=31836_devilwagging.gif)
HAHAAHAHA
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Raptured, LOL!
Sometimes I forget you can be funny.
It is ironic... I wrote fundamentalism but Beach automatically included all Christians. :)
Like there's a difference. lol. Anyone with sincerely held religious beliefs, and who has strong adherence to those beliefs is a "fundamentalist." That's most of your country. You're surrounded. lol . . . .
you know what he's talking about
don't you Bum ?
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obama is racking militia heads, just as clinton did.
In 3 weeks, bring all your guns to DC and show them off to the tv cameras. Then, act realllly surprised when he goes after gun rights too.
Stupid people.
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Thanks. That's most of the United States. Christianity teaches that the Bible is literally the word of God.
No it doesn't. Your Christianity teaches that. I've been in churches where they have flat out said this stuff is less about truth and fact and more about the meaning of the story being told. When you have idiots who believe it is literal and not a tool written by man as an interpretation of the word of God you have problems in this country. People are free to believe what they wish, when those beliefs interfere with others lives like hatred of homosexuals or other religions then it's an issue that needs to be addressed for the greater good of ALL people, not just those with 'Christian' beliefs.
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No it doesn't. Your Christianity teaches that. I've been in churches where they have flat out said this stuff is less about truth and fact and more about the meaning of the story being told. When you have idiots who believe it is literal and not a tool written by man as an interpretation of the word of God you have problems in this country. People are free to believe what they wish, when those beliefs interfere with others lives like hatred of homosexuals or other religions then it's an issue that needs to be addressed for the greater good of ALL people, not just those with 'Christian' beliefs.
You are sinner in the eyes of Jesus Christ and will burn in hell for your evil words here; repent!
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Religious fundamentalism is modern society's largest threat.
Are you sure about that? It's going to take a heck of a whole lot for religious fundamentalism to get even close to catching up to these modern society atheists:
Mao Zedong (1958 - 1960): 43,000,000 Murdered
- Peng Xizhe (彭希哲), "Demographic Consequences of the Great Leap Forward in China's Provinces," Population and Development Review 13, no. 4 (1987), 639-70.
Stalin (1937 -1938): 1,200,000 Murdered
- Soviet Repression Statistics: Some Comments by Historian Michael Ellman, 2002
Pol Pot (1975 -1979): 1,700,000 Murdered
- Sophal Ear (May 1995). The Khmer Rouge Canon 1975-1979: The Standard Total Academic View on Cambodia. Retrieved on 2007-11-02.In Chapter 1: Introduction
- The Cambodian Genocide Program. Retrieved on 2007-11-02.
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Are you sure about that? It's going to take a heck of a whole lot for religious fundamentalism to get even close to catching up to these modern society atheists:
Mao Zedong (1958 - 1960): 43,000,000 Murdered
- Peng Xizhe (彭希哲), "Demographic Consequences of the Great Leap Forward in China's Provinces," Population and Development Review 13, no. 4 (1987), 639-70.
Stalin (1937 -1938): 1,200,000 Murdered
- Soviet Repression Statistics: Some Comments by Historian Michael Ellman, 2002
Pol Pot (1975 -1979): 1,700,000 Murdered
- Sophal Ear (May 1995). The Khmer Rouge Canon 1975-1979: The Standard Total Academic View on Cambodia. Retrieved on 2007-11-02.In Chapter 1: Introduction
- The Cambodian Genocide Program. Retrieved on 2007-11-02.
Man, this argument is as old as it is lame. These systems had more in common with fundamentalist religion than any modern secular state; observe unquestioning adherence to dogma, belief without evidence, deified leaders, etc. What unites religious fundamentalism is not the belief in the supernatuarl but the belief and acceptance in things without evidence.
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Man, this argument is as old as it is lame. These systems had more in common with fundamentalist religion than any modern secular state; observe unquestioning adherence to dogma, belief without evidence, deified leaders, etc. What unites religious fundamentalism is not the belief in the supernatuarl but the belief and acceptance in things without evidence.
Sort of like the belief that Uncle Joe or Mao was going to make everything great, just 5 years down the road once the newest 5 year plan was implemented?
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Sort of like the belief that Uncle Joe or Mao was going to make everything great, just 5 years down the road once the newest 5 year plan was implemented?
Exactly. Sure, they are secular but they have 'saviour figures' just like Christianity and all you need to do is belief in them and all will be well...sounds familiar.
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Man, this argument is as old as it is lame. These systems had more in common with fundamentalist religion than any modern secular state; observe unquestioning adherence to dogma, belief without evidence, deified leaders, etc. What unites religious fundamentalism is not the belief in the supernatuarl but the belief and acceptance in things without evidence.
yep, Loco and others have made that same false argument many times on this site
All those dictators wiped any any institution or person that they saw as a threat to their power
It had nothing to do with atheism/agnosticims and everything to do with trying to retain power and trying to eliminate and sources of influence that could effect their control over the masses
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Man, this argument is as old as it is lame. These systems had more in common with fundamentalist religion than any modern secular state; observe unquestioning adherence to dogma, belief without evidence, deified leaders, etc. What unites religious fundamentalism is not the belief in the supernatuarl but the belief and acceptance in things without evidence.
Do you believe in the Big Bang Theory and that man evolved from the same ancestor as that of apes?
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yep, Loco and others have made that same false argument many times on this site
All those dictators wiped any any institution or person that they saw as a threat to their power
It had nothing to do with atheism/agnosticims and everything to do with trying to retain power and trying to eliminate and sources of influence that could effect their control over the masses
That was because people yearn to be free and not under the jack boot of communism, socialism or forced redistribution and will never voluntarily go along with these crazy schemes.
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Do you believe in the Big Bang Theory and that man evolved from the same ancestor as that of apes?
My understanding of evolution is far better than that of my understanding of theoretical physics but the vast evidence we have on hand points to the truth of both.
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yep, Loco and others have made that same false argument many times on this site
All those dictators wiped any any institution or person that they saw as a threat to their power
It had nothing to do with atheism/agnosticims and everything to do with trying to retain power and trying to eliminate and sources of influence that could effect their control over the masses
So Mao and all those other leaders believed in God?
Isn't the destruction and elimination of any religious entity, belief, symbol, etc...the goal of atheists? They were every bit an atheist as you are.
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So Mao and all those other leaders believed in God?
Isn't the destruction and elimination of any religious entity, belief, symbol, etc...the goal of atheists? They were every bit an atheist as you are.
::) No, atheism by its very definition is simply an absence of belief in a supernatural deity.
He was not saying they believed in god though perhaps they believed in themselves as gods. There is no goal of atheism.
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yep, Loco and others have made that same false argument many times on this site
All those dictators wiped any any institution or person that they saw as a threat to their power
It had nothing to do with atheism/agnosticims and everything to do with trying to retain power and trying to eliminate and sources of influence that could effect their control over the masses
The absence of religious fundamentalism did not prevent 45,900,000 innocent people from being murdered by these atheists. It will take a heck of a whole lot for religious fundamentalism to get even close to catching up to these atheists. That is the point, and it stands no matter what you and Deicide say.
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My understanding of evolution is far better than that of my understanding of theoretical physics but the vast evidence we have on hand points to the truth of both.
Really? Where is the proof that matter came out of nothing? Has it been shown or replicated in any lab?
Did you find that magical missing link? I am just asking because no other scientist in the world has. Maybe you know something the rest of the universe doesn't.
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::) No, atheism by its very definition is simply an absence of belief in a supernatural deity.
He was not saying they believed in god though perhaps they believed in themselves as gods. There is no goal of atheism.
Really? So why do atheists feel it's their right to change everything in society to reflect their views. Iowa trying to change Easter to Spring Holiday. It's no longer Christmas, it's Season Holidays.
I don't mind seperation of church and state, but atheists have been very active in removing any indication or semblance of religious beliefs. If there are no goals of atheism, then why not let others believe what they want to believe?
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The absence of religious fundamentalism did not prevent 45,900,000 innocent people from being murdered by these atheists. It will take a heck of a whole lot for religious fundamentalism to get even close to catching up to these atheists. That is the point, and it stands no matter what you and Deicide say.
It is very well known that one of the main tenents and goals of communism is to get rid of organized religion so that the people look for salvation in the state and govt over God.
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It is very well known that one of the main tenents and goals of communism is to get rid of organized religion so that the people look for salvation in the state and govt over God.
exactly - the goal was to eliminate any challenger to the authority of the state
the type of group didn't matter - all that mattered was that that they were a challend to the authority of the state
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::) No, atheism by its very definition is simply an absence of belief in a supernatural deity.
He was not saying they believed in god though perhaps they believed in themselves as gods. There is no goal of atheism.
::) ::)
Atheists see themselves as gods. Humanism. Again, no difference between you idiots and those tyrants. Same basic arrogant and misguided belief in the very weak nature of man. ;D ;D
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Really? Where is the proof that matter came out of nothing? Has it been shown or replicated in any lab?
Did you find that magical missing link? I am just asking because no other scientist in the world has. Maybe you know something the rest of the universe doesn't.
So you are a young earth creationist? ???
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Really? So why do atheists feel it's their right to change everything in society to reflect their views. Iowa trying to change Easter to Spring Holiday. It's no longer Christmas, it's Season Holidays.
I don't mind seperation of church and state, but atheists have been very active in removing any indication or semblance of religious beliefs. If there are no goals of atheism, then why not let others believe what they want to believe?
I have no idea. I do not comingle with such groups and personally I find them distasteful because their very existence dignifies the oppositional point of view, which I believe is not even worth considering.
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Exactly. Sure, they are secular but they have 'saviour figures' just like Christianity and all you need to do is belief in them and all will be well...sounds familiar.
I believe it's called a cult of personality.
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I believe it's called a cult of personality.
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Not even remotely close 333. Bush had wackos worshiping him too. The true cult of personality for a dictator is incomparable to Obama. Why do you keep showing stupidity on these issues? It's like you have no brain at times.
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BTW i don't see what's wrong with kids being inspired to make something of themselves like in the second video, it's strange their way of showing it but what exactly is wrong with wanting to be lawyers, mechanics, etc? Because they were inspired by Obama they should be ashamed?
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No it doesn't. Your Christianity teaches that. I've been in churches where they have flat out said this stuff is less about truth and fact and more about the meaning of the story being told. When you have idiots who believe it is literal and not a tool written by man as an interpretation of the word of God you have problems in this country. People are free to believe what they wish, when those beliefs interfere with others lives like hatred of homosexuals or other religions then it's an issue that needs to be addressed for the greater good of ALL people, not just those with 'Christian' beliefs.
Yes it does. I'm not sure what churches you're talking about, but don't confuse how some churches interpret the Bible with whether Christianity teaches that the Bible is God's literal word. Christians have been teaching that the Bible is God's literal word since this country's inception.
Christianity doesn't teach hatred of homosexuals. It teaches to hate the sin and love the sinner. Some Christians lose sight of this teaching, but that represents a problem with some people, not with Christianity.
People who happen to be Christian have every right to use the democratic process. If you or anyone disagrees with them, then go vote.
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Yes it does. I'm not sure what churches you're talking about, but don't confuse how some churches interpret the Bible with whether Christianity teaches that the Bible is God's literal word. Christians have been teaching that the Bible is God's literal word since this country's inception.
Christianity doesn't teach hatred of homosexuals. It teaches to hate the sin and love the sinner. Some Christians lose sight of this teaching, but that represents a problem with some people, not with Christianity.
People who happen to be Christian have every right to use the democratic process. If you are anyone disagrees with them, then go vote.
It's nice to read you've finally given up the old "there's a big difference between us and them" argument. :)
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It's nice to read you've finally given up the old "there's a big difference between us and them" argument. :)
Finally? It was one line in one thread from yesterday.
And I haven't given it up. It's true.
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Finally? It was one line in one thread from yesterday.
And I haven't given it up. It's true.
Islamic fundamentalists would certainly claim to be better than ours but there's really no difference beyond what's already been mentioned.
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Yes it does. I'm not sure what churches you're talking about, but don't confuse how some churches interpret the Bible with whether Christianity teaches that the Bible is God's literal word. Christians have been teaching that the Bible is God's literal word since this country's inception.
Christianity doesn't teach hatred of homosexuals. It teaches to hate the sin and love the sinner. Some Christians lose sight of this teaching, but that represents a problem with some people, not with Christianity.
People who happen to be Christian have every right to use the democratic process. If you or anyone disagrees with them, then go vote.
So because your church and the churches you know of teach it one way that is the only way? More close mindedness.
Also if you love the sinner why are you for the death penalty? Why would you want someone you love to die regardless of their sins?
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Islamic fundamentalists would certainly claim to be better than ours but there's really no difference beyond what's already been mentioned.
I didn't say better. I said different. :) But if you're talking about system of government, religious freedom, etc., we're definitely "better."
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So because your church and the churches you know of teach it one way that is the only way? More close mindedness.
Also if you love the sinner why are you for the death penalty? Why would you want someone you love to die regardless of their sins?
I'm not talking about my church. I'm talking about Christianity in general in the U.S.
What in the world does the death penalty have to do with this subject? In any event, you can love someone and still hold them accountable. Just like forgiveness doesn't mean there is no accountability. Actions have consequences.
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I didn't say better. I said different. :) But if you're talking about system of government, religious freedom, etc., we're definitely "better."
TBH, I was trying to be nice but ours are probably worse.
Generalizing Christianity is intellectually lazy and dangerous, LOL! Whenever someone says "I'm a Christian" I always ask "What exactly do you mean by that?". I've met enough people who acted shady or believed extreme stuff to know damn well Christian is one of those individual definitions. Also, people may not be practicing Christians, could say they're born again, back-slid, or may pick and choose which commandments are convenient.
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exactly - the goal was to eliminate any challenger to the authority of the state
the type of group didn't matter - all that mattered was that that they were a challend to the authority of the state
Hence the claim that "Religious fundamentalism is modern society's largest threat" is at best ignorant or naive, and at worst a dangerous lie.
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TBH, I was trying to be nice but ours are probably worse.
Generalizing Christianity is intellectually lazy and dangerous, LOL! Whenever someone says "I'm a Christian" I always ask "What exactly do you mean by that?". I've met enough people who acted shady or believed extreme stuff to know damn well Christian is one of those individual definitions. Also, people may not be practicing Christians, could say they're born again, back-slid, or may pick and choose which commandments are convenient.
I agree. I don't really care what someone says about their faith. The way a person lives his or life is the truest indicator of what's in the heart.
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Yes it does. I'm not sure what churches you're talking about, but don't confuse how some churches interpret the Bible with whether Christianity teaches that the Bible is God's literal word. Christians have been teaching that the Bible is God's literal word since this country's inception.
Christianity doesn't teach hatred of homosexuals. It teaches to hate the sin and love the sinner. Some Christians lose sight of this teaching, but that represents a problem with some people, not with Christianity.
People who happen to be Christian have every right to use the democratic process. If you are anyone disagrees with them, then go vote.
This is gibberish...
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This is gibberish...
It's truth. Separate the act from the person.
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Maybe in the Middle East. Certainly not in this country.
Wrong. it's a problem everywhere, but for the sake of argument, even assuming your premise, it's still inaccurate.
Even if you choose to turn a blind eye to the religious fundamentalism on this continent, you cannot argue that relgious fundamentalism from the middle east has and is having a profound impact on your country, it's laws, and your way of life.
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Wrong. it's a problem everywhere, but for the sake of argument, even assuming your premise, it's still inaccurate.
Even if you choose to turn a blind eye to the religious fundamentalism on this continent, you cannot argue that relgious fundamentalism from the middle east has and is having a profound impact on your country, it's laws, and your way of life.
Can you switch back to the Samson poster? That one is far better.
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Christians are no more a threat in this country than paranoid anti-religious extremists. The overwhelming majority of people in this country are Christian. We have over 200 million. The fact a handful of nuts committed a crime says nothing about the majority of the country. But like I said earlier, it does provide material for those desperate to bash religious folks.
Kind of like muslims huh? ;)
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Hence the claim that "Religious fundamentalism is modern society's largest threat" is at best ignorant or naive, and at worst a dangerous lie.
It proves just the opposite, LocoWit.
Fundamentalists see no division between church, state or God's will. They would crush us all to enforce or compel adherence to God's will. Our own Fundies are probably worse because they at least have had an opportunity to benefit from education, progress, or some freedoms 2nd and 3rd world people will never enjoy.
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It proves just the opposite, LocoWit.
Fundamentalists see no division between church, state or God's will. They would crush us all to enforce or compel adherence to God's will. Our own Fundies are probably worse because they at least have had an opportunity to benefit from education, progress, or some freedoms 2nd and 3rd world people will never enjoy.
Just keep on ignoring the facts:
Are you sure about that? It's going to take a heck of a whole lot for religious fundamentalism to get even close to catching up to these modern society atheists:
Mao Zedong (1958 - 1960): 43,000,000 Murdered
- Peng Xizhe (彭希哲), "Demographic Consequences of the Great Leap Forward in China's Provinces," Population and Development Review 13, no. 4 (1987), 639-70.
Stalin (1937 -1938): 1,200,000 Murdered
- Soviet Repression Statistics: Some Comments by Historian Michael Ellman, 2002
Pol Pot (1975 -1979): 1,700,000 Murdered
- Sophal Ear (May 1995). The Khmer Rouge Canon 1975-1979: The Standard Total Academic View on Cambodia. Retrieved on 2007-11-02.In Chapter 1: Introduction
- The Cambodian Genocide Program. Retrieved on 2007-11-02.
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Wrong. it's a problem everywhere, but for the sake of argument, even assuming your premise, it's still inaccurate.
Even if you choose to turn a blind eye to the religious fundamentalism on this continent, you cannot argue that relgious fundamentalism from the middle east has and is having a profound impact on your country, it's laws, and your way of life.
Wrong. Muslim fanatics have murdered American citizens, which has had a profound impact on my life. Christianity benefits American society.
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Kind of like muslims huh? ;)
Kind of like paranoid anti-religious extremists. Look in the mirror. You "f-ing hate evangelicals." You want religion forced underground. You want to murder people who proselytize at your door. That’s the kind of thing I’m talking about.
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It proves just the opposite, LocoWit.
Fundamentalists see no division between church, state or God's will. They would crush us all to enforce or compel adherence to God's will. Our own Fundies are probably worse because they at least have had an opportunity to benefit from education, progress, or some freedoms 2nd and 3rd world people will never enjoy.
That's not true. Plenty of Christians (me included) believe in the church-state separation.
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Wrong. Muslim fanatics have murdered American citizens, which has had a profound impact on my life. Christianity benefits American society.
Keep on thinking the bombs dropped in Iraq and Afghanistan were smart enough to tell fanatics and spare civilians if it helps. :)
Modern culture, today, faces no bigger threat than religious fundamentalism.
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Keep on thinking the bombs dropped in Iraq and Afghanistan were smart enough to tell fanatics and spare civilians if it helps. :)
Modern culture, today, faces no bigger threat than religious fundamentalism.
For the most part, yes they are smart enough. We also have rules of engagement, which terrorists don't have. We don't decapitate noncombatants. We don't intentionally kill civilians. Another difference between "us" and "them."
Alarmist nonsense dude. The biggest threats American modern culture faces are the expansion of the federal government, debt, and foreign terrorists who want us dead.
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For the most part, yes they are smart enough. We also have rules of engagement, which terrorists don't have. We don't decapitate noncombatants. We don't intentionally kill civilians. Another difference between "us" and "them."
Alarmist nonsense dude. The biggest threats American modern culture faces are the expansion of the federal government, debt, and foreign terrorists who want us dead.
Dead is dead, Double Bee. :)
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Dead is dead, Double Bee. :)
Yes it is.
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Dead is dead, Double Bee. :)
I think the continuation of our foreign policy is a pretty big danger, right up there with the rest of them.