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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: The True Adonis on May 08, 2010, 04:20:59 PM
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Vince,
I have grown extremely bored of my routines.
I want to experiment with a workout Routine that you create. I will follow it to a T with no deviation and log the results here on Getbig.
Are you up for this sort of thing?
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vince is a man with ideas. i
I agree
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I doubt Adonis has the vocabulary to profit from my instruction.
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I doubt Adonis has the vocabulary to profit from my instruction.
Thats not what you said nearly 4 years ago. From Ironage.us
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Vince Basile
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Everyone is an expert in the Irongame!
DOMS training.
« Sent to: The True Adonis on: September 29, 2006, 07:05:20 am »
Hi Adam,
Please email me if you want to try this program. It has to be followed exactly otherwise we are both wasting our time.
OvinceZ@yahoo.com
Vince
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Hapless Basile will never give any useful advice, certainly no routine that one could try.
He will however talk about how "everyone is an expert" and mention DOMS and how it somehow relates to muscle growth.
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Vince even offered at one time for Jezebelle and I to stay at his place in Australia training. Now he doesn`t like me? ???
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vince will also talk about this mythical workout of his without talking about this mythical workout of his. Hypertrophy will also be mentioned, but not mentioned.
one thing that certainly won't be mentioned is dianabol.
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I have nothing of interest that surpasses the expertise of Adam and the collective flotsam of Getbig. 4 years ago I offered to help Adam but he failed to do the homework specified so I no longer have any interest in helping someone who won't follow exact instructions. He chose to use his own brain and resources and now suggests he is bored. No, he is simply stating that he is unable to cause further hypertrophy. Since he doesn't want to accept that he is at his maximum natural size he thinks that I might provide some method that will restart the growth process.
I have posted all that I am going to post here on Getbig on hypertrophy. It was challenged but never refuted but I have moved on and no longer offer on line programs. I have outlined my theory but that is was not sufficient for the pedestrian brains here who require detailed programs. If a theory is correct then its application shouldn't be that difficult. Well, like many things in life it is more complicated than many think. The reason is that the technology or application of the theory requires extensive experience which is beyond what most have or will ever have.
I suggest that Adam consult with the resident brains who criticize me. Perhaps his salvation lies with them.
I originally wrote to Adam because I thought he was a student of hypertrophy. He is capable of learning but he embraces rather peculiar ideas at times and this suggests that his foundation isn't as solid as I had hoped. I don't appreciate having my private messages posted on this forum.
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I have nothing of interest that surpasses the expertise of Adam and the collective flotsam of Getbig. 4 years ago I offered to help Adam but he failed to do the homework specified so I no longer have any interest in helping someone who won't follow exact instructions. He chose to use his own brain and resources and now suggests he is bored. No, he is simply stating that he is unable to cause further hypertrophy. Since he doesn't want to accept that he is at his maximum natural size he thinks that I might provide some method that will restart the growth process.
I have posted all that I am going to post here on Getbig on hypertrophy. It was challenged but never refuted but I have moved on and no longer offer on line programs. I have outlined my theory but that is was not sufficient for the pedestrian brains here who require detailed programs. If a theory is correct then its application shouldn't be that difficult. Well, like many things in life it is more complicated than many think. The reason is that the technology or application of the theory requires extensive experience which is beyond what most have or will ever have.
I suggest that Adam consult with the resident brains who criticize me. Perhaps his salvation lies with them.
I originally wrote to Adam because I thought he was a student of hypertrophy. He is capable of learning but he embraces rather peculiar ideas at times and this suggests that his foundation isn't as solid as I had hoped. I don't appreciate having my private messages posted on this forum.
No really, I am just bored.
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I have nothing of interest that surpasses the expertise of Adam and the collective flotsam of Getbig. 4 years ago I offered to help Adam but he failed to do the homework specified so I no longer have any interest in helping someone who won't follow exact instructions. He chose to use his own brain and resources and now suggests he is bored. No, he is simply stating that he is unable to cause further hypertrophy. Since he doesn't want to accept that he is at his maximum natural size he thinks that I might provide some method that will restart the growth process.
I have posted all that I am going to post here on Getbig on hypertrophy . It was challenged but never refuted but I have moved on and no longer offer on line programs. I have outlined my theory but that is was not sufficient for the pedestrian brains here who require detailed programs. If a theory is correct then its application shouldn't be that difficult. Well, like many things in life it is more complicated than many think. The reason is that the technology or application of the theory requires extensive experience which is beyond what most have or will ever have.
I suggest that Adam consult with the resident brains who criticize me. Perhaps his salvation lies with them.
I originally wrote to Adam because I thought he was a student of hypertrophy. He is capable of learning but he embraces rather peculiar ideas at times and this suggests that his foundation isn't as solid as I had hoped. I don't appreciate having my private messages posted on this forum.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHA
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I have nothing of interest that surpasses the expertise of Adam and the collective flotsam of Getbig. 4 years ago I offered to help Adam but he failed to do the homework specified so I no longer have any interest in helping someone who won't follow exact instructions. He chose to use his own brain and resources and now suggests he is bored. No, he is simply stating that he is unable to cause further hypertrophy. Since he doesn't want to accept that he is at his maximum natural size he thinks that I might provide some method that will restart the growth process.
I have posted all that I am going to post here on Getbig on hypertrophy. It was challenged but never refuted but I have moved on and no longer offer on line programs. I have outlined my theory but that is was not sufficient for the pedestrian brains here who require detailed programs. If a theory is correct then its application shouldn't be that difficult. Well, like many things in life it is more complicated than many think. The reason is that the technology or application of the theory requires extensive experience which is beyond what most have or will ever have.
I suggest that Adam consult with the resident brains who criticize me. Perhaps his salvation lies with them.
I originally wrote to Adam because I thought he was a student of hypertrophy. He is capable of learning but he embraces rather peculiar ideas at times and this suggests that his foundation isn't as solid as I had hoped. I don't appreciate having my private messages posted on this forum.
The homework was getting an out of print book I believe. What was the title again?
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The homework was getting an out of print book I believe. What was the title again?
Heavy Duty By Michael Mentzer
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Vince,
I have grown extremely bored of my routines.
I want to experiment with a workout Routine that you create. I will follow it to a T with no deviation and log the results here on Getbig.
Are you up for this sort of thing?
maybe you should ask The Coach, he would have you running a circus act before you know it at the gym.
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Apenis, ask Goodrum for advice and follow that. See where that will take you
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Epic thread!! The man who can't get specific meets the man who won't provide proof. There's no telling where this could lead!
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Heavy Duty By Michael Mentzer
Which is only correct method for natural bodybuilder, and which will give you greatest results, IF YOU DO IT RIGHT. What comes this "calorie is a calorie"- genius who is incapable to follow any instructions, even very simple ones like "shut the fuck up", there is no hope in this world. Why? You need some intelligence if you want to build your muscles, and he doesn't have any. In past four years he has proven how stupid he is and now he want some help from Vince, who couldn't care less. Gee, I wonder why... ::)
Bodybuilding is quite simple and easy but still most of you doesn't understand it. You need a pile of instructions and programs and you read them from the magazines and these forums. 80% of you follow the program which you have read somewhere without knowing is it suitable for you at all. Instead of that, you should use your so called brains and think about the matter. What you really need? Few basic exercises per muscle group, good range of motion and good technique. You also need to know your muscles and what is the propose of them. For example, how about the abs? If we simplify hell out of the matter, their purpose is scroll your upper body around your belly button, so which is better exercise, sit up or crunch? For sit up you use 40% your abs and 60% your hip flexors, and with the crunch you use 80% of your abs and 20% of your hip flexors, so do the math. It is useless to try to work out your abs with the exercises where your middle section is complete flat, because there is much better ways to do it and you benefit more with them.
Your latissimus lift your body up when you hang with your hands in branch of the tree, and that is what it does best, so why 80% of you do bent over rows while standing almost straight up? You need that bend over posture to make most of the movement with your latissimus, not with your traps and strength of your upper back, because there is better exercises for those muscles. And when you hang on that pull down machine, try this: Instead of how you usually yank the bar down while leaning back as far as you can, just sit straight and while you pull the bar down, bend your upper body lifting your chest and pulling your shoulder blades together. What you find out is that you cannot use as much weight, which means that your latissimus doesn't do the work when you use your old method, so how it could grow? What I am saying here is best advise you can get, and it mean that you must go back to basics, and that is all. You don't need any super special hyper pro moves to grow muscles, so you save a lot of time if you learn the basics and do them right. Then, when you reach your limit and you have full and big muscles, you can make a most of them by using some tuning exercises, but you really don't need those any sooner.
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Adonis, if your really experiencing a slowdown in progress, look into the fitness/fatigue theory. You have probably done this already, but just in case you haven't...
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ROFL its not rocket science...for any natty do hard workouts with compound stuff and eat food, and get sleep and within 2 months will be able to determine if your genetics are worth a shit.
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Which is only correct method for natural bodybuilder, and which will give you greatest results, IF YOU DO IT RIGHT. What comes this "calorie is a calorie"- genius who is incapable to follow any instructions, even very simple ones like "shut the fuck up", there is no hope in this world. Why? You need some intelligence if you want to build your muscles, and he doesn't have any. In past four years he has proven how stupid he is and now he want some help from Vince, who couldn't care less. Gee, I wonder why... ::)
Bodybuilding is quite simple and easy but still most of you doesn't understand it. You need a pile of instructions and programs and you read them from the magazines and these forums. 80% of you follow the program which you have read somewhere without knowing is it suitable for you at all. Instead of that, you should use your so called brains and think about the matter. What you really need? Few basic exercises per muscle group, good range of motion and good technique. You also need to know your muscles and what is the propose of them. For example, how about the abs? If we simplify hell out of the matter, their purpose is scroll your upper body around your belly button, so which is better exercise, sit up or crunch? For sit up you use 40% your abs and 60% your hip flexors, and with the crunch you use 80% of your abs and 20% of your hip flexors, so do the math. It is useless to try to work out your abs with the exercises where your middle section is complete flat, because there is much better ways to do it and you benefit more with them.
Your latissimus lift your body up when you hang with your hands in branch of the tree, and that is what it does best, so why 80% of you do bent over rows while standing almost straight up? You need that bend over posture to make most of the movement with your latissimus, not with your traps and strength of your upper back, because there is better exercises for those muscles. And when you hang on that pull down machine, try this: Instead of how you usually yank the bar down while leaning back as far as you can, just sit straight and while you pull the bar down, bend your upper body lifting your chest and pulling your shoulder blades together. What you find out is that you cannot use as much weight, which means that your latissimus doesn't do the work when you use your old method, so how it could grow? What I am saying here is best advise you can get, and it mean that you must go back to basics, and that is all. You don't need any super special hyper pro moves to grow muscles, so you save a lot of time if you learn the basics and do them right. Then, when you reach your limit and you have full and big muscles, you can make a most of them by using some tuning exercises, but you really don't need those any sooner.
Can you tell us what titles you have won. If not can you at least tellu show many titles you have
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just take steroids and shut up
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Stupid flotsam. I hate them. They spoil everything.
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Expert advice by Vince has never been seen/read on any forum I`ve visited over the years.
Talks a lot of expert shit,but never really says a damn thing.
Kinda` acts like a sheila at times instead of one of the lads!!
Fair dinkum and happy holidays to all.
FLOTSAM
FLOTSAM
FLOTSAM
FLOTSAM
FLOTSAM
JETSAM ;D
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Basille won one competition in which he was the only competitor
he looks like he hasn't touched a weight in twenty years
he is too busy stalking gay black men on the internet
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I have posted all that I am going to post here on Getbig on hypertrophy. It was challenged but never refuted but I have moved on and no longer offer on line programs. I have outlined my theory but that is was not sufficient for the pedestrian brains here who require detailed programs. If a theory is correct then its application shouldn't be that difficult. Well, like many things in life it is more complicated than many think. The reason is that the technology or application of the theory requires extensive experience which is beyond what most have or will ever have.
Cripes. You and your theory, again. You act like some alchemist who has discovered a philosopher's stone but when asked for proof, can't do anything but mumble that the conditions aren't right, or some such nonsense.
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Which is only correct method for natural bodybuilder, and which will give you greatest results, IF YOU DO IT RIGHT. What comes this "calorie is a calorie"- genius who is incapable to follow any instructions, even very simple ones like "shut the fuck up", there is no hope in this world. Why? You need some intelligence if you want to build your muscles, and he doesn't have any. In past four years he has proven how stupid he is and now he want some help from Vince, who couldn't care less. Gee, I wonder why... ::)
Bodybuilding is quite simple and easy but still most of you doesn't understand it. You need a pile of instructions and programs and you read them from the magazines and these forums. 80% of you follow the program which you have read somewhere without knowing is it suitable for you at all. Instead of that, you should use your so called brains and think about the matter. What you really need? Few basic exercises per muscle group, good range of motion and good technique. You also need to know your muscles and what is the propose of them. For example, how about the abs? If we simplify hell out of the matter, their purpose is scroll your upper body around your belly button, so which is better exercise, sit up or crunch? For sit up you use 40% your abs and 60% your hip flexors, and with the crunch you use 80% of your abs and 20% of your hip flexors, so do the math. It is useless to try to work out your abs with the exercises where your middle section is complete flat, because there is much better ways to do it and you benefit more with them.
Your latissimus lift your body up when you hang with your hands in branch of the tree, and that is what it does best, so why 80% of you do bent over rows while standing almost straight up? You need that bend over posture to make most of the movement with your latissimus, not with your traps and strength of your upper back, because there is better exercises for those muscles. And when you hang on that pull down machine, try this: Instead of how you usually yank the bar down while leaning back as far as you can, just sit straight and while you pull the bar down, bend your upper body lifting your chest and pulling your shoulder blades together. What you find out is that you cannot use as much weight, which means that your latissimus doesn't do the work when you use your old method, so how it could grow? What I am saying here is best advise you can get, and it mean that you must go back to basics, and that is all. You don't need any super special hyper pro moves to grow muscles, so you save a lot of time if you learn the basics and do them right. Then, when you reach your limit and you have full and big muscles, you can make a most of them by using some tuning exercises, but you really don't need those any sooner.
TL;DR Heavy Duty training is good
yeah i agree somewhat but as a natural its fuckin hard to keep up
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Expert advice by Vince has never been seen/read on any forum I`ve visited over the years.
Talks a lot of expert shit,but never really says a damn thing.
Kinda` acts like a sheila at times instead of one of the lads!!
Fair dinkum and happy holidays to all.
FLOTSAM
FLOTSAM
FLOTSAM
FLOTSAM
FLOTSAM
JETSAM ;D
Agree with Westcocks.
Bring back Failcan and ban hapless Basile.
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So Vince, what's the difference between the foltsam and jetsam on Getbig?
Are the flotsam the regular posters and the jetsam the guys in timeout? ???
Just wondering.
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Never seen Vince crack a joke. Or laugh at a joke. Or poke fun of any kind. Vince Basile is not here to amuse you. Vince Basile does not play. Vince Basile is a serious man.
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vince has been saying the same thing on here for years................... ..nothing.
he keeps talking about his theory on hypertrophy but has never actually said what that is.
he also keeps saying no one has ever refuted his theory, which is true i suppose because it's difficult for anyone to refute something when they do not know what it is. ::)
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Basille won one competition in which he was the only competitor
he looks like he hasn't touched a weight in twenty years
he is too busy stalking gay black men on the internet
The runner-up from the 1970 Mr Canada did not shave his hair off of his body or even bothered to get a tan.
Says a lot about Basile's "Hard Fought Victory" ::)
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There are pictures of you and your sickening pubes all over getbig you idiot. You shouldn't talk about shaving :-\ :-X.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=201046.0;attach=233899;image)
I had my arm around his shoulder
You had another guy stick a plastic lightsaber up your ass and was wearing mascara...... ::)
Conclusion: You beat me in the gay dept that's for sure..... ;D
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=327562.0;attach=368110;image)
I have nothing against gays. If you enjoy cock, good for you. :-\
I'm sure you don't have anything against gays because the homo is very strong in you my padawon.
BTW, I'm bi and I was still dating women before I met Vissy. So your picture doesn't mean jack shit
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I am not about to get into a debate with you. You are the #1 retard on getbig.
Thats fine, don't want to see you break out in show tunes anyway. I'll keep the light on in that glass closet of yours, bitch.
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Vince Basile ordered a Big Mac at Burger King, and got one. True story. ;D
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The runner-up from the 1970 Mr Canada did not shave his hair off of his body or even bothered to get a tan.
Says a lot about Basile's "Hard Fought Victory" ::)
You don't train, diet, or do one thing related to being a bodybuilder. All you do is show look like shit and try to be close to guys in thongs. Hey where is that pic of you wrestling. And tell everyone the stories behind trying to sell Bee Pollen at the shows and in the gyms. Its funny how your life on the internet mirrors your real life experiences. Like I have always said, it must suck (no pun intended) to be you.
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Never seen Vince crack a joke. Or laugh at a joke. Or poke fun of any kind. Vince Basile is not here to amuse you. Vince Basile does not play. Vince Basile is a serious man.
Ask Keith if I have a sense of humour. I can even laugh at myself. I am an excellent shit stirrer and have won huge wooden spoons to prove it. It amazes me why some don't see my humour. Maybe it takes a certain wit to appreciate stuff I say.
Keith and I are always amused at the antics of Goodrum. What a clown that guy is, especially when he is serious.
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Cripes. You and your theory, again. You act like some alchemist who has discovered a philosopher's stone but when asked for proof, can't do anything but mumble that the conditions aren't right, or some such nonsense.
Excellent point, all he can do is state that the unwashed plebeian masses of Getbig, are not worthy of his towering genius, Superior intellect, or Fair Dinkum approach to life.
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As if anyone owes Getbiggers anything except a boot in the backside for abuse! I haven't read anything of bodybuilding value from you or Dr Chimps.
Hope this helps.
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As if anyone owes Getbiggers anything except a boot in the backside for abuse! I haven't read anything of bodybuilding value from you or Dr Chimps.
Hope this helps.
Get off your false martyrdom dude. No one is persecuting you. If you haven't read anything of value from me, then you aren't looking very hard. I am one of the least judgmental people on Getbig, and I am rarely negative. You have posted interesting things of merit in the past, but I speak the truth when I say you foster an absurd, not to mention paranoid, attitude towards your theories and sharing them.
Then again I suspect its because you don't have a substantial, or cohesive theory to begin with. Prove me wrong though... post a well thought out overview on hypertrophy and I will apologize.
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Look, I have posted my theories before both here and elsewhere to no avail. I am not interested in being abused by anonymous people no matter how informed or educated they are.
This is NOT the place to have a serious debate. This is the gossip and opinions board.
What part of this don't you comprehend?
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Look, I have posted my theories before both here and elsewhere to no avail. I am not interested in being abused by anonymous people no matter how informed or educated they are.
This is NOT the place to have a serious debate. This is the gossip and opinions board.
What part of this don't you comprehend?
Hmm I think that this is a cop out to be honest. Yes there are some that will just mock you irregardless of what you say, but in all honesty if you are posting valuable ideas, or information, people here will be interested and respect you.
I think most people here respect the physique you attained in your Mr. Canada days, and your involvement in Bodybuilding. I don't think you have been abused as much as you think you have. Yes some peoples comments about vans and such are a bit out of line, but nothing worth getting upset over.
With that out of the way... I have been here since...I think the middle of 06 and I have a pretty decent memory, and in all that time I don't think you have ever posted anything close to a complete overview, or thesis of any of your theories. You have posted some fairly meandering posts telling Getbiggers to start questioning the status quo, and that hypertrophy is not well understood, but as far as I can tell you have done nothing to post ideas, that would replace any conventional wisdom, that we are in current possession of.
If I am wrong, then please repost some of your ideas, in a full and substantial manner.
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I had my arm around his shoulder
You had another guy stick a plastic lightsaber up your ass and was wearing mascara...... ::)
Conclusion: You beat me in the gay dept that's for sure..... ;D
Then you had your mouth around his cock after he shoved it up your ass for next 2 hours. you are disgusting Goodrum. No wonder no one likes you.
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As if anyone owes Getbiggers anything except a boot in the backside for abuse! I haven't read anything of bodybuilding value from you or Dr Chimps.
Hope this helps.
Is that the original?
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A few years ago I posted my theory right here on the gossip and opinions board. It went for over 20 pages. I doubt anyone actually tried what I recommended. That is typical because people already think they know how to train. Resident experts attempted to dismiss my theory with various comments and challenges. All failed to refute the theory. I tried to explain all muscular growth from training and all non growth as well. The latter isn't dealt with adequately by most theories.
The main benefit of posting ideas is to receive informed comments so that changes can be made and the theory refined or altered. I respect that many here are knowledgeable but few have a comprehensive explanation of muscular growth.
Another problem is the implementation of theories. It isn't as easy as it seems. I have first hand experience using subjects in my gym. Occasionally you get someone who resists all efforts to get larger arms. His shoulders grow because he fails to put enough mechanical tension on his biceps and triceps. It is amazing that people cheat at exercises then wonder why parts don't grow. You often see torso champs in the gym. Big traps, chest, back and shoulders but small arms in comparison. The other muscles are used to move the weights when training arms so the arms don't grow much. I have one fellow who literally can't make his arms bigger no matter what he or I do. With someone like that theory is not going to help one iota. At best he sees some modest improvement but his shoulders grow bigger.
Some muscles respond to a point with certain exercises then growth stops. When that happens one needs to find substitute exercises and eventually the more effective exercises are distilled. Experienced trainers can save beginners and intermediates years of time. The technology of training is just as important as theory. Plus nutrition. If any part is lacking there will be little or no growth.
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FLOTSAM...
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Venom Vince Versace enjoys the penis. On record. This place is awesome. ;D
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A few years ago I posted my theory right here on the gossip and opinions board. It went for over 20 pages. I doubt anyone actually tried what I recommended. That is typical because people already think they know how to train. Resident experts attempted to dismiss my theory with various comments and challenges. All failed to refute the theory. I tried to explain all muscular growth from training and all non growth as well. The latter isn't dealt with adequately by most theories.
The main benefit of posting ideas is to receive informed comments so that changes can be made and the theory refined or altered. I respect that many here are knowledgeable but few have a comprehensive explanation of muscular growth.
Another problem is the implementation of theories. It isn't as easy as it seems. I have first hand experience using subjects in my gym. Occasionally you get someone who resists all efforts to get larger arms. His shoulders grow because he fails to put enough mechanical tension on his biceps and triceps. It is amazing that people cheat at exercises then wonder why parts don't grow. You often see torso champs in the gym. Big traps, chest, back and shoulders but small arms in comparison. The other muscles are used to move the weights when training arms so the arms don't grow much. I have one fellow who literally can't make his arms bigger no matter what he or I do. With someone like that theory is not going to help one iota. At best he sees some modest improvement but his shoulders grow bigger.
Some muscles respond to a point with certain exercises then growth stops. When that happens one needs to find substitute exercises and eventually the more effective exercises are distilled. Experienced trainers can save beginners and intermediates years of time. The technology of training is just as important as theory. Plus nutrition. If any part is lacking there will be little or no growth.
bullshit. i remember the thread, you said the same for 20 pages................... .nothing
i tried in vain to get you to post something/anything about your theory. All you posted was deflections and excuses.
Once and for all post your theory so i can properly destroy it ;D (joking - i am genuinely interested)
however my patience only lasts so long............
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You often see torso champs in the gym.
You more often see arm champs in the gym.
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It is not my fault that many have comprehension difficulties and cannot easily distill what to do when reading about a training theory. I put everything into simple language to no avail. The flotsam remain unwashed. A pity for them. I still enjoy triggering hypertrophy when I train. Why others can't do this regularly is a mystery.
Imagine all training programs in a funnel. To trigger hypertrophy you have to go through the narrow part of the funnel so all methods are equivalent that work. The symptoms will be similar and growth should follow. It really is straight forward when you grasp the idea. My contribution was to use soreness as a feedback mechanism to know if you trained hard enough and also when to retrain, preferably before the soreness evaporates.
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A few years ago I posted my theory right here on the gossip and opinions board. It went for over 20 pages. I doubt anyone actually tried what I recommended. That is typical because people already think they know how to train. Resident experts attempted to dismiss my theory with various comments and challenges. All failed to refute the theory. I tried to explain all muscular growth from training and all non growth as well. The latter isn't dealt with adequately by most theories.
The main benefit of posting ideas is to receive informed comments so that changes can be made and the theory refined or altered. I respect that many here are knowledgeable but few have a comprehensive explanation of muscular growth.
Another problem is the implementation of theories. It isn't as easy as it seems. I have first hand experience using subjects in my gym. Occasionally you get someone who resists all efforts to get larger arms. His shoulders grow because he fails to put enough mechanical tension on his biceps and triceps. It is amazing that people cheat at exercises then wonder why parts don't grow. You often see torso champs in the gym. Big traps, chest, back and shoulders but small arms in comparison. The other muscles are used to move the weights when training arms so the arms don't grow much. I have one fellow who literally can't make his arms bigger no matter what he or I do. With someone like that theory is not going to help one iota. At best he sees some modest improvement but his shoulders grow bigger.
Some muscles respond to a point with certain exercises then growth stops. When that happens one needs to find substitute exercises and eventually the more effective exercises are distilled. Experienced trainers can save beginners and intermediates years of time. The technology of training is just as important as theory. Plus nutrition. If any part is lacking there will be little or no growth.
You can have the greatest training theory in the world, but if it amounts to a straight line, single factor program that does not account for systematic fatigue, it will result the same as every other program in the bodybuilding world.
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I never offered programs per se but a method to trigger and sustain hypertrophy in body parts. This should avoid systemic fatigue. I think most programs involve too many muscles and that can put too much stress on many people. There are plenty of methods to stimulate growth but few that explain the lack of growth in many individuals. You need to address both for a theory to explain everything.
When I stimulate hypertrophy in my lats, for example, it feels like something has invaded that area and I would not want to have this throughout the body.
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I never offered programs per se but a method to trigger and sustain hypertrophy in body parts. This should avoid systemic fatigue. I think most programs involve too many muscles and that can put too much stress on many people. There are plenty of methods to stimulate growth but few that explain the lack of growth in many individuals. You need to address both for a theory to explain everything.
When I stimulate hypertrophy in my lats, for example, it feels like something has invaded that area and I would not want to have this throughout the body.
Oh no, not at one time or anything. However if the weight used is enough to induce hypertrophy, there will be systematic fatigue built in regardless of the method.
These factors need to be considered on any program:
Total training load required
Repetition range required
Rest between workouts
Proper Neural learning considerations
Systematic fatigue management
It is like when a guy does a volume program straight out of a magazine and makes progress for awhile and then it stops, and he feels like crap, less energy, signs of mild overtraining. This is over reaching, the need arises to deload or you reach the General Adaptation stage of exhaustion, or overtraining. Most guys get sick before they enter over training. Instead, you should train to where you over reach, which is where your performance decreases slightly, bar speed slows down, and the trainee feels fatigued doing things that came natural before.
Traditional bodybuilding methods do not account for systematic fatigue, and thus an intermediate stays an intermediate unless they understand the concept. Guys can lose a lot of time swapping out routines and think incorrectly about this, years even.
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Basile=talking loud,and saying nothing!
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Basile=talking loud,and saying nothing!
He is on the right track with his total localized stimulation theory, but eventually you must deload. That doesn't mean take a week off, but reducing the sets and even days trained works wonders. I drop my arm workout and only do 1 set of everything and try to break my records, then I go back to the same routine and try to be stronger and stronger.
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Basile=talking loud,and saying nothing!
X2 de ja vue ::)
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I never offered programs per se but a method to trigger and sustain hypertrophy in body parts. This should avoid systemic fatigue. I think most programs involve too many muscles and that can put too much stress on many people. There are plenty of methods to stimulate growth but few that explain the lack of growth in many individuals. You need to address both for a theory to explain everything.
When I stimulate hypertrophy in my lats, for example, it feels like something has invaded that area and I would not want to have this throughout the body.
hey dickbreath, before this goes on for 200 more pages, why don't you just do this :
exercise - reps x weight
cardio - duration x intensity
fill in the blanks.
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I never offered programs per se but a method to trigger and sustain hypertrophy in body parts. This should avoid systemic fatigue. I think most programs involve too many muscles and that can put too much stress on many people. There are plenty of methods to stimulate growth but few that explain the lack of growth in many individuals. You need to address both for a theory to explain everything.
When I stimulate hypertrophy in my lats, for example, it feels like something has invaded that area and I would not want to have this throughout the body.
i would like to have at you with a blunted stabbing weapon.....you creepy guy
please address you involvement with this video by the way.....there is no longer room for dishonesty ::) ::)
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Which is only correct method for natural bodybuilder, and which will give you greatest results, IF YOU DO IT RIGHT. What comes this "calorie is a calorie"- genius who is incapable to follow any instructions, even very simple ones like "shut the fuck up", there is no hope in this world. Why? You need some intelligence if you want to build your muscles, and he doesn't have any. In past four years he has proven how stupid he is and now he want some help from Vince, who couldn't care less. Gee, I wonder why... ::)
Bodybuilding is quite simple and easy but still most of you doesn't understand it. You need a pile of instructions and programs and you read them from the magazines and these forums. 80% of you follow the program which you have read somewhere without knowing is it suitable for you at all. Instead of that, you should use your so called brains and think about the matter. What you really need? Few basic exercises per muscle group, good range of motion and good technique. You also need to know your muscles and what is the propose of them. For example, how about the abs? If we simplify hell out of the matter, their purpose is scroll your upper body around your belly button, so which is better exercise, sit up or crunch? For sit up you use 40% your abs and 60% your hip flexors, and with the crunch you use 80% of your abs and 20% of your hip flexors, so do the math. It is useless to try to work out your abs with the exercises where your middle section is complete flat, because there is much better ways to do it and you benefit more with them.
Your latissimus lift your body up when you hang with your hands in branch of the tree, and that is what it does best, so why 80% of you do bent over rows while standing almost straight up? You need that bend over posture to make most of the movement with your latissimus, not with your traps and strength of your upper back, because there is better exercises for those muscles. And when you hang on that pull down machine, try this: Instead of how you usually yank the bar down while leaning back as far as you can, just sit straight and while you pull the bar down, bend your upper body lifting your chest and pulling your shoulder blades together. What you find out is that you cannot use as much weight, which means that your latissimus doesn't do the work when you use your old method, so how it could grow? What I am saying here is best advise you can get, and it mean that you must go back to basics, and that is all. You don't need any super special hyper pro moves to grow muscles, so you save a lot of time if you learn the basics and do them right. Then, when you reach your limit and you have full and big muscles, you can make a most of them by using some tuning exercises, but you really don't need those any sooner.
good post!
drop the gimmick
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Oh no, not at one time or anything. However if the weight used is enough to induce hypertrophy, there will be systematic fatigue built in regardless of the method.
These factors need to be considered on any program:
Total training load required
Repetition range required
Rest between workouts
Proper Neural learning considerations
Systematic fatigue management
It is like when a guy does a volume program straight out of a magazine and makes progress for awhile and then it stops, and he feels like crap, less energy, signs of mild overtraining. This is over reaching, the need arises to deload or you reach the General Adaptation stage of exhaustion, or overtraining. Most guys get sick before they enter over training. Instead, you should train to where you over reach, which is where your performance decreases slightly, bar speed slows down, and the trainee feels fatigued doing things that came natural before.
Traditional bodybuilding methods do not account for systematic fatigue, and thus an intermediate stays an intermediate unless they understand the concept. Guys can lose a lot of time swapping out routines and think incorrectly about this, years even.
another good post!
drop the gimmick
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another good post!
drop the gimmick
I am not a gimmick, I promise.
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Thats not what you said nearly 4 years ago. From Ironage.us
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« Sent to: The True Adonis on: September 29, 2006, 07:05:20 am »
Hi Adam,
Please email me if you want to try this program. It has to be followed exactly otherwise we are both wasting our time.
OvinceZ@yahoo.com
Vince
Gotta love how adonis carrots-and-sticks all the way to the end ;D
Props ;D
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After exploring gravity suits and all manner of unusual programs, it takes Adonis 4 years to see the light! Doesn't seem like he was convinced before so why should I advise him now? As a professional in the industry it isn't right to give advice for free online. I have put out my ideas and they were published in 2000 and 2001 in Ironman Magazine. I am sure if Adonis searches HST forum he will find plenty of information. With his intellect he should be able to work out exactly what to do. That way he can take full credit if he makes any gains.
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Chick is a professional in the industry and has given out plenty of valuable training and diet info over the years.
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Vince Basille intellectual and founding father of body building ::)
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Lifting weights is VERY complicated.
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After exploring gravity suits and all manner of unusual programs, it takes Adonis 4 years to see the light! Doesn't seem like he was convinced before so why should I advise him now? As a professional in the industry it isn't right to give advice for free online. I have put out my ideas and they were published in 2000 and 2001 in Ironman Magazine. I am sure if Adonis searches HST forum he will find plenty of information. With his intellect he should be able to work out exactly what to do. That way he can take full credit if he makes any gains.
no one considers you an industry professional.......you are a fat old man who leeches on the periphery of the bodybuilding-forum subculture like a parasite.
your name is thrown around in the same contextual dialogue as vince goodrum, true adonis, sevastase.........just another one of the freaks, derelicts, and miscreants.....who latched on to the fitness culture in a pathetic attempt to obtain recognition and forge and identity.
now, i already asked you to kill yourself.......i shouldnt have to ask you a second time.....be a good guy, and end your life :-\ :-\