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I see a lot of unbelievers here feel that science and the Christian Bible are at odds w/each other.
Other than the theory of (macro) evolution, what aspects of science do you feel are in opposition to the bible?
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uncertanity principle and jesus
uncertanity principle in VERY simple terms says that an object cannot be in 2 places at the same time
so how ws jesus(god) here on earth and also running the rest of the universe....
also quantum uncertanity
ie..you cannot know for SURE if an event is gonna happen until its happends already. Lets look at gods existance as an event. christians believe that God exists with certanity? How do you know that the universe we exist in needs a god for it to exist? you simply dont....what if the universe we exist in has a physical law that states that the only way for it to exist is that god cannot exist (yes ...more and more scientists now believe that we live in a multiverse)
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Yawn, a bit later
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uncertanity principle and jesus
uncertanity principle in VERY simple terms says that an object cannot be in 2 places at the same time
so how ws jesus(god) here on earth and also running the rest of the universe....
also quantum uncertanity
ie..you cannot know for SURE if an event is gonna happen until its happends already. Lets look at gods existance as an event. christians believe that God exists with certanity? How do you know that the universe we exist in needs a god for it to exist? you simply dont....what if the universe we exist in has a physical law that states that the only way for it to exist is that god cannot exist (yes ...more and more scientists now believe that we live in a multiverse)
Toxi,
Ask your parents about these verses in the Old Testament:
Genesis 1:26
Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness
Genesis 18:1-2,8
The LORD appeared to Abraham near the great trees of Mamre while he was sitting at the entrance to his tent in the heat of the day. 2 Abraham looked up and saw three men standing nearby. When he saw them, he hurried from the entrance of his tent to meet them and bowed low to the ground.
8 He then brought some curds and milk and the calf that had been prepared, and set these before them. While they ate, he stood near them under a tree.
Genesis 19:24
Then the LORD rained down burning sulfur on Sodom and Gomorrahfrom the LORD out of the heavens.
Isaiah 9:6
For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
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But also, Toxy, God/Jesus/Holy Spirit = Supernatural = not bound by natural law.
Are there other science vs bible connundrums that bother you?
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But also, Toxy, God/Jesus/Holy Spirit = Supernatural = not bound by natural law.
Are there other science vs bible connundrums that bother you?
everything is bound by natural law...but i'm watching a cricket game right now...i WILL post more on this during the weekend :)
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everything is bound by natural law...but i'm watching a cricket game right now...i WILL post more on this during the weekend :)
If you are talking about not making a square circle I see what you are saying but regarding His being omnipresent I believe God is not bound by time or space...plus I wonder what you think about different dimensions? LIke can something exist in different dimensions at the same time? Or would that still be considered as being in the same place ???
Have fun watching the game :)
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I see a lot of unbelievers here feel that science and the Christian Bible are at odds w/each other.
Other than the theory of (macro) evolution, what aspects of science do you feel are in opposition to the bible?
In science one only entertains theories and hypotheses that can be proven by experimental evidence. Theories such as evolution and the big bang (cosmology) are widely accepted in the scientific community rather than intelligent design because they can better explain what we observe experimentally. In science one makes a theory to describe what we observe, and then as we discover more things or find inadequacies in the theory, it is thrown out and replaced or refined to better fit what we observe.
In religion one must accept what one is told or reads based on faith, generally due to indoctrination from the time of youth, because one's family tells one what to believe, or he or she is too scared to believe otherwise (ie: fear of not knowing what happens after death).
As an aspiring professional scientist (I will begin graduate studies next month), I have to admit that science and religion are necessarily at odds. Although there are plenty of scientists who believe in God, it is simply in stark contrast to the very nature of scientific investigation to simply believe something for which there is no evidence. Thousands of years ago when the earth seemed flat and the sky seemed unreachable, it seemed likely that an intelligent being created life, that heaven is in the sky, etc, but with scientific advancement those notions have long been supplanted.
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If you are talking about not making a square circle I see what you are saying but regarding His being omnipresent I believe God is not bound by time or space...plus I wonder what you think about different dimensions? LIke can something exist in different dimensions at the same time? Or would that still be considered as being in the same place ???
Have fun watching the game :)
we lost >:(
anyhoo...god isn't bound by time and space in the koran either...
stells yes things can exist in different dimentions..we as humans exist in 4 dimentions...3 spacial dimentions (length , breadth and height) and 1 time dimention.
according to string theory..there r 13 and some say upwards of 20 dimentions...
some UFOlogists speculate that aliens and UFOs r inter dimentional beings
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interdimensional_hypothesis
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So as of yet the low iq none believers have come with the following?
1) Uncertanity principle - an object cannot be in 2 places at the same time
2) More and more scientists now believe that we live in a multiverse
3) Everything is bound by natural law but i'm watching a cricket game right now
4) As an aspiring professional scientist I
5) To simply believe something for which there is no evidence
6) But with scientific advancement those notions have long been supplanted
7) We as humans exist in 4 dimentions...3 spacial dimentions (length , breadth and height) and 1 time dimention.
8 According to string theory..there r 13 and some say upwards of 20 dimentions...
9) Written by a primitive people scared of natural phenomena like lightning, eqarthquakes, floods, etc.
10) In religion one must accept what one is told because one's family tells one what to believe
11) Wikipedia
12) Youtube
I know for sure there will more very and very convincing points, it's already so convincing that makes me dizzy.
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At it's core, the Bible is a book about relationships. It's a story about relationships of faith that people enter into with God and with one another, "covenants". Although the people who wrote scripture may have been limited in scientific knowledge of the world around them, that doesn't necessarily mean that they were limited in the ability to know God. To expect the Bible to present a detached, scientific view of the universe is to put one's faith in the wrong thing.
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At it's core, the Bible is a book about relationships. It's a story about relationships of faith that people enter into with God and with one another, "covenants". Although the people who wrote scripture may have been limited in scientific knowledge of the world around them, that doesn't necessarily mean that they were limited in the ability to know God. To expect the Bible to present a detached, scientific view of the universe is to put one's faith in the wrong thing.
Twisty but spot on. Nice name!
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So as of yet the low iq none believers have come with the following?
I know for sure there will more very and very convincing points, it's already so convincing that makes me dizzy.
Can you actually post in a thread without insulting and demeaning someone?
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Can you actually post in a thread without insulting and demeaning someone?
its god way you see....
he is showing religions true colours!
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Can you actually post in a thread without insulting and demeaning someone?
Who exactly by name have I insulted? Be spesific my 2 degrees friend
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I'm waiting for the 13th! :-X
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Who exactly by name have I insulted? Be spesific my 2 degrees friend
There are clowns out there who in their perverted fantasies would want through the bible or the teaching of christ to see photos/videos and explanatory report as to how the things are on the planets in the universe with intelligent lives. Before that think about may do those consider you no smarter than a shelf or a plate of spaghetti as it does for you before dealing with humanity. Buy the friggin telescope
Though it's a bb related site it would be interestig to see the face photos say of TA and CE, it's very interesting how one should look like to spit such a nonsense on a regular basis. rofl
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Who is TA and CE? And who are those clowns out there by name?
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In science one only entertains theories and hypotheses that can be proven by experimental evidence. Theories such as evolution and the big bang (cosmology) are widely accepted in the scientific community rather than intelligent design because they can better explain what we observe experimentally. In science one makes a theory to describe what we observe, and then as we discover more things or find inadequacies in the theory, it is thrown out and replaced or refined to better fit what we observe.
In religion one must accept what one is told or reads based on faith, generally due to indoctrination from the time of youth, because one's family tells one what to believe, or he or she is too scared to believe otherwise (ie: fear of not knowing what happens after death).
As an aspiring professional scientist (I will begin graduate studies next month), I have to admit that science and religion are necessarily at odds. Although there are plenty of scientists who believe in God, it is simply in stark contrast to the very nature of scientific investigation to simply believe something for which there is no evidence. Thousands of years ago when the earth seemed flat and the sky seemed unreachable, it seemed likely that an intelligent being created life, that heaven is in the sky, etc, but with scientific advancement those notions have long been supplanted.
they do not have to be at odds it just depends on how you look at them...religion can indeed be experimented on...death is its experiment.
as an aspiring scientist you should be keenly aware that not having proof doesnt disprove a theory, so why do you believe that there is no God when you have no proof?
not proving the null does not prove the alternative...so what is your proof that God doesnt exist?
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religion can indeed be experimented on...death is its experiment.
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so why do you believe that their is no God when you have no proof?
IF you knew that you do believe in God then you would be believing. But since you still don't know that you do believe in God then you do not believe.
F. Dostoevskiy
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Can't focking stand hypocrits and idiots.
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Who is TA and CE? And who are those clowns out there by name?
you r the one mentioning TA and CE...
1) either by TA you mean me
OR
2) you r a dumbass that talks about people that dont exist
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Stella I know you weren't asking me, :) but I don't think the Bible is inconsistent with science. The Bible isn't a science book.
You asked a good question. Still, given that the Bible isn't a science book, it's sort of hard to compare scientific theories with most of what is written in the Bible. At least that's the way I see it.
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you r the one mentioning TA and CE...
1) either by TA you mean me
OR
2) you r a dumbass that talks about people that dont exist
There is a boy going by the name TA in my neibourhood
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Toxic excuse me it feels your iq level, wishing you the further improvements, no further comment
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Toxic excuse me it feels your iq level, wishing you the further improvements, no further comment
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i speak english...not retard
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1) Uncertanity principle - an object cannot be in 2 places at the same time
2) More and more scientists now believe that we live in a multiverse
3) Everything is bound by natural law but i'm watching a cricket game right now
4) As an aspiring professional scientist I
5) To simply believe something for which there is no evidence
6) But with scientific advancement those notions have long been supplanted
7) We as humans exist in 4 dimentions...3 spacial dimentions (length , breadth and height) and 1 time dimention.
8 According to string theory..there r 13 and some say upwards of 20 dimentions...
9) Written by a primitive people scared of natural phenomena like lightning, eqarthquakes, floods, etc.
10) In religion one must accept what one is told because one's family tells one what to believe
11) Wikipedia
12) Youtube
13) Don't insult and demean scientists who reject God as it has no evidence
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Sceince vs the tha thu Bible!!!
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1) Uncertanity principle - an object cannot be in 2 places at the same time
2) More and more scientists now believe that we live in a multiverse
3) Everything is bound by natural law but i'm watching a cricket game right now
4) As an aspiring professional scientist I
5) To simply believe something for which there is no evidence
6) But with scientific advancement those notions have long been supplanted
7) We as humans exist in 4 dimentions...3 spacial dimentions (length , breadth and height) and 1 time dimention.
8 According to string theory..there r 13 and some say upwards of 20 dimentions...
9) Written by a primitive people scared of natural phenomena like lightning, eqarthquakes, floods, etc.
10) In religion one must accept what one is told because one's family tells one what to believe
11) Wikipedia
12) Youtube
13) Don't insult and demean scientists who reject God as it has no evidence
14) I have 3 degrees and a bar trivia guru that proves that there is no God and religion is false!
15) ?
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r you on drugs?
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1) Uncertanity principle - an object cannot be in 2 places at the same time
2) More and more scientists now believe that we live in a multiverse
3) Everything is bound by natural law but i'm watching a cricket game right now
4) As an aspiring professional scientist I
5) To simply believe something for which there is no evidence
6) But with scientific advancement those notions have long been supplanted
7) We as humans exist in 4 dimentions...3 spacial dimentions (length , breadth and height) and 1 time dimention.
8 According to string theory..there r 13 and some say upwards of 20 dimentions...
9) Written by a primitive people scared of natural phenomena like lightning, eqarthquakes, floods, etc.
10) In religion one must accept what one is told because one's family tells one what to believe
11) Wikipedia
12) Youtube
13) Don't insult and demean scientists who reject God as it has no evidence
14) I have 3 degrees and am a bar trivia guru that proves that there is no God and religion is false!
15) Steve Hawkings
16) r you on drugs?
17) ?
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thats an assortment of posts from myself and i guess a few other posters...lets look at one of them so you may be educated
More and more scientists now believe that we live in a multiverse
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/astronomy/bigbang_alternative_010413-1.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiverse
We as humans exist in 4 dimentions...3 spacial dimentions (length , breadth and height) and 1 time dimention.
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You see that Stella? learn and be educated as that clown is still alive! If not TA I wouldn't even know that we as humans exist in 4 dimension! He proved that there is no God! Unbelieavable contibution to the board! He's gold!
Ta is from Afghanistan but considers USA the greatest of them all! He's gonna die for the freedom of word! no?
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You see that Stella? learn and be educated as that clown is still alive! If not TA I wouldn't even know that we as humans exist in 4 dimension! He proved that there is no God! Unbelieavable contibution to the board! He's gold!
Ta is from Afghanistan but considers USA the greatest of them all! He's gonna die for the freedom of word! no?
translate this to Afghani and its osama speak!
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they do not have to be at odds it just depends on how you look at them...religion can indeed be experimented on...death is its experiment.
as an aspiring scientist you should be keenly aware that not having proof doesnt disprove a theory, so why do you believe that there is no God when you have no proof?
not proving the null does not prove the alternative...so what is your proof that God doesnt exist?
They definitely are at odds. There is far more to religion than death, though that is a big part of why many people are religious, because they're scared of obliteration. Religions attempts to argue why we were created, what the supreme force is in the universe, and so on.
Without any support or evidence, we have no basis for a theory. Theory attempts to explain natural phenomena (evolution, Newton's laws, Maxwell's equations, relativity, etc) and is refined or thrown out when necessary.
The explanation of nature by the design of a God seemed plausible thousands of years ago when it was proposed, but we have moved much further in our knowledge, and by careful experiment and deduction found out many more things than were immediately apparent. Based on what we know now the ideas of religion seem just too provincial and simple to explain the vast phenomena we have observed.
We cannot yet prove or disprove any sort of God, but with the laws we have so far deduced, we have not needed a God hypothesis to explain anything.
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So as of yet the low iq none believers have come with the following?
I know for sure there will more very and very convincing points, it's already so convincing that makes me dizzy.
that right there is insulting. No one calledfyou a royla f*cktard or anything in this thread. just becuase people don't have your view doesn't make them foder. If you think so then read between these lines.
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oh and god bless you
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They definitely are at odds. There is far more to religion than death, though that is a big part of why many people are religious, because they're scared of obliteration. Religions attempts to argue why we were created, what the supreme force is in the universe, and so on.
Without any support or evidence, we have no basis for a theory. Theory attempts to explain natural phenomena (evolution, Newton's laws, Maxwell's equations, relativity, etc) and is refined or thrown out when necessary.
The explanation of nature by the design of a God seemed plausible thousands of years ago when it was proposed, but we have moved much further in our knowledge, and by careful experiment and deduction found out many more things than were immediately apparent. Based on what we know now the ideas of religion seem just too provincial and simple to explain the vast phenomena we have observed.
We cannot yet prove or disprove any sort of God, but with the laws we have so far deduced, we have not needed a God hypothesis to explain anything.
Did you find out as to how Einstein doing since 1955? Your big bang theory, the observable universe is 93 billion light years across and so on explains nothing.
Do you have kids? If they unexpectedly die today is it evolution, newton's laws, maxwell's equation or theory of relativity?
Based on what you have written so far your iq level is a bit higher than TA has! TA is just attempting to sound enlightened or educated. He knows word combinations like multiverse and string theory and assuming naively religous people didn't hear about those.
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Knives, thanks for your answer and manner of discussion.
In science one makes a theory to describe what we observe, and then as we discover more things or find inadequacies in the theory, it is thrown out and replaced or refined to better fit what we observe.
Do you have any issues with the changing perception of what is true?
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In religion one must accept what one is told or reads based on faith, generally due to indoctrination from the time of youth, because one's family tells one what to believe, or he or she is too scared to believe otherwise (ie: fear of not knowing what happens after death).
Personally I think the bold is few and far between...at least in free countries.
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some UFOlogists speculate that aliens and UFOs r inter dimentional beings
I have heard this too Toxy.
To expect the Bible to present a detached, scientific view of the universe is to put one's faith in the wrong thing.
Stella I know you weren't asking me, :) but I don't think the Bible is inconsistent with science. The Bible isn't a science book.
You asked a good question. Still, given that the Bible isn't a science book, it's sort of hard to compare scientific theories with most of what is written in the Bible. At least that's the way I see it.
I agree Beach and mental. The reason for the thread is that I often see people state that the Bible is at odds w/science and I guess what I am looking for is some verse that states something that they are sure is empirically at odds with science.
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They definitely are at odds.
Knives, can you please give some empirical examples of this vs scripture?
, though that is a big part of why many people are religious, because they're scared of obliteration.
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This, I will never understand. Why would anyone be afraid of obliteration? If it's...one moment you are alive, the next you are non-existent, why is that scary? You wouldn't know anything...you wouldn't be there right? I don't understand the fear of obliteration.
The explanation of nature by the design of a God seemed plausible thousands of years ago when it was proposed, but we have moved much further in our knowledge, and by careful experiment and deduction found out many more things than were immediately apparent.
What things have been found that refute nature as being designed?
Based on what we know now the ideas of religion seem just too provincial and simple to explain the vast phenomena we have observed.
Does the "vast phenomena" ever astound you?
How do you think life originated?
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Manner of discussion is a deceiving thing. Exchanging courtesies non stop is allowable between man and woman. When men debate it's a.... well the rest is known. Be polite card is womanish or Captain Equipose'ish!
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Stella do you even understand that you're asking questions that have long been answered? Point? :-X
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Stella do you even understand that you're asking questions that have long been answered? Point? :-X
Someone posted a bible verse(s) that are at odds w/empirically proven scientific data? Ooops no I missed it. Will you please link me?
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Someone posted a bible verse(s) that are at odds w/empirically proven scientific data? Ooops no I missed it. Will you please link me?
There is none! :-X
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They definitely are at odds. There is far more to religion than death, though that is a big part of why many people are religious, because they're scared of obliteration. Religions attempts to argue why we were created, what the supreme force is in the universe, and so on.
Without any support or evidence, we have no basis for a theory. Theory attempts to explain natural phenomena (evolution, Newton's laws, Maxwell's equations, relativity, etc) and is refined or thrown out when necessary.
The explanation of nature by the design of a God seemed plausible thousands of years ago when it was proposed, but we have moved much further in our knowledge, and by careful experiment and deduction found out many more things than were immediately apparent. Based on what we know now the ideas of religion seem just too provincial and simple to explain the vast phenomena we have observed.
We cannot yet prove or disprove any sort of God, but with the laws we have so far deduced, we have not needed a God hypothesis to explain anything.
again it depends on how you look at it, I myself dont feel that a book passed over from generation to generatino from civilization to civilization from language to language is the same as it was originally laid out. You get caught up in the specifics of things and miss the forest for the trees.
I believe in evolution and believe in God as well, religion and science do not have to be at odds with one another...darwin was clergy and very interested in science b/c as he put it who better to investigate the wonders of Gods creations...
when you have the view point religion and science are at odds, then youre not open to a need for the God hypothesis...
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Can't focking stand hypocrits and idiots.
You must really hate yourself then
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You must really hate yourself then
dayum!
pwned! ;D
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dayum!
pwned! ;D
This may be a bit early to say but...
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As of yet the low iq non believers in their attempt to disprove God have come with the following!
1) Uncertanity principle - an object cannot be in 2 places at the same time
2) More and more scientists now believe that we live in a multiverse
3) Everything is bound by natural law but i'm watching a cricket game right now
4) As an aspiring professional scientist I
5) To simply believe something for which there is no evidence
6) But with scientific advancement those notions have long been supplanted
7) We as humans exist in 4 dimentions...3 spacial dimentions (length , breadth and height) and 1 time dimention.
8 According to string theory..there r 13 and some say upwards of 20 dimentions...
9) Written by a primitive people scared of natural phenomena like lightning, eqarthquakes, floods, etc.
10) In religion one must accept what one is told because one's family tells one what to believe
11) Wikipedia
12) Youtube
13) Don't insult and demean scientists who reject God as it has no evidence
14) I have 3 degrees and am a bar trivia guru that proves that there is no God and religion is false!
15) Steve Hawkings
16) r you on drugs?
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THIS is you.... ;)
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There is none! :-X
Oh....got ya!
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ahem your #14 is incorrect. I have 2 degrees and possibly thinking of a third, also never claimed to disprove any god. It's hard to have a civil conversation when someone distorts statements. #17 was spot on though.
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Jesus! #14 wasn't about you Migs. It was about the one who already has 3 degrees and possibly thinking about the 4'th! th th th th th th th th th. You're a God's slave!
IF you knew that you do believe in God then you would be believing. But since you still don't know that you do believe in God then you do not believe.
Fedor Dostoevskiy
I think it was translated correct
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Jesus! #14 wasn't about you Migs. It was about the one who already has 3 degrees and possibly thinking about the 4'th! th th th th th th th th th. You're a God's slave!
IF you knew that you do believe in God then you would be believing. But since you still don't know that you do believe in God then you do not believe.
Fedor Dostoevskiy
I think it was translated correct
and who would this be?
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Personally I think the bold is few and far between...at least in free countries.
Why do you think that? Don't most people just tend to adopt the religious ideas of their parents? It need not be forceful but most people just believe what they are told since their youth, rather than investigating and finding answers on their own.
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Did you find out as to how Einstein doing since 1955? Your big bang theory, the observable universe is 93 billion light years across and so on explains nothing.
Do you have kids? If they unexpectedly die today is it evolution, newton's laws, maxwell's equation or theory of relativity?
Based on what you have written so far your iq level is a bit higher than TA has! TA is just attempting to sound enlightened or educated. He knows word combinations like multiverse and string theory and assuming naively religous people didn't hear about those.
You fail to make even a coherent argument, then claim intelligence. I don't know if you're trying to impress people but I doubt if anyone is.
Scientific theory does its best to explain the facts that we observe. As we find out more, it is improved. The big bang theory certainly isn't perfect, but right now in the scientific community, in those esoteric circle where people dedicate their lives to studying this stuff it is the most widely accepted view about how the universe has been created. It follows valid astronomical data.
I don't even understand the kids dying part nor will I try to. If you care to understand why people die, that is more a biological question and you are free to make your own investigations. The laws of physics you have listed are still always valid as usual.
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Knives, can you please give some empirical examples of this vs scripture?
This, I will never understand. Why would anyone be afraid of obliteration? If it's...one moment you are alive, the next you are non-existent, why is that scary? You wouldn't know anything...you wouldn't be there right? I don't understand the fear of obliteration.
What things have been found that refute nature as being designed?
Does the "vast phenomena" ever astound you?
How do you think life originated?
Well, the Genesis story doesn't hold much weight in any scientific community. There is no evidence for the flood. It is certainly not scientifically feasible to create a man from dirt and then a woman from his rib. There is also no evidence that Egyptians ever had Hebrew slaves. I could go on but I think the point is made.
Also of the fear of obliteration, most people I talk to find that very scary! Many want to think that they will continue to exist, in an after life, and that they will say deceased loved ones, etc, again. Of the people I talk to the greatest fear many have is death without an after life. I mean if it does happen that way it clearly wouldn't matter after one has been obliterated because he or she wouldn't be around to "feel" any type of thing, but that can still be a scary thought.
Things about nature not being designed: I am admittedly no expert, but according to physics/biology as we understand it today, most life today has come into being as a result of random mutations taking place in various molecules. Eventually complex organisms with genetic material were formed over billions of years and here we stand today. There is certainly much more to it, but generally a theory of random yet favorable mutations which create organisms capable of surviving to continue to reproduce can explain how we are here without a designer.
Finally, as I said before I'm simply a beginning grad student and I can't explain all of life's mysteries. I am going to be a research scientist so that I can do my own investigations into finding out how the world works. I don't claim to know everything about the universe and the life that inhabits it, but I like to keep learning more from ways that can be proven through science. I like to be able to prove what I know and I can't take a mystic answer for anything. I admit that there are many things I don't know, and I will spend the rest of my life trying to learn what I can.
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You fail to make even a coherent argument, then claim intelligence. I don't know if you're trying to impress people but I doubt if anyone is.
Scientific theory does its best to explain the facts that we observe. As we find out more, it is improved. The big bang theory certainly isn't perfect, but right now in the scientific community, in those esoteric circle where people dedicate their lives to studying this stuff it is the most widely accepted view about how the universe has been created. It follows valid astronomical data.
I don't even understand the kids dying part nor will I try to. If you care to understand why people die, that is more a biological question and you are free to make your own investigations. The laws of physics you have listed are still always valid as usual.
It's not about whether the big bang theory perfect or imperfect it's about that it proves nothing. i.e. what happens in an afterlife. The laws of physics either.
Yeah people die, some unexpectedly, the scientists either. So if your whole family die in car crash tomorrow it is a biological question right? No one is guilty it's just a biological question? You're a mofo, you actually didn't answer questions.
My english isn't perfect cause in real life I speak Russian. Learn some english, it doesn't make sense or you fail to make even a coherent argument don't impress me.
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Well, the Genesis story doesn't hold much weight in any scientific community. There is no evidence for the flood. It is certainly not scientifically feasible to create a man from dirt and then a woman from his rib. There is also no evidence that Egyptians ever had Hebrew slaves. I could go on but I think the point is made.
Also of the fear of obliteration, most people I talk to find that very scary! Many want to think that they will continue to exist, in an after life, and that they will say deceased loved ones, etc, again. Of the people I talk to the greatest fear many have is death without an after life. I mean if it does happen that way it clearly wouldn't matter after one has been obliterated because he or she wouldn't be around to "feel" any type of thing, but that can still be a scary thought.
Things about nature not being designed: I am admittedly no expert, but according to physics/biology as we understand it today, most life today has come into being as a result of random mutations taking place in various molecules. Eventually complex organisms with genetic material were formed over billions of years and here we stand today. There is certainly much more to it, but generally a theory of random yet favorable mutations which create organisms capable of surviving to continue to reproduce can explain how we are here without a designer.
Finally, as I said before I'm simply a beginning grad student and I can't explain all of life's mysteries. I am going to be a research scientist so that I can do my own investigations into finding out how the world works. I don't claim to know everything about the universe and the life that inhabits it, but I like to keep learning more from ways that can be proven through science. I like to be able to prove what I know and I can't take a mystic answer for anything. I admit that there are many things I don't know, and I will spend the rest of my life trying to learn what I can.
It is certainly not scientifically feasible to create a man from dirt and then a woman from his rib
When those been created were you a witness?
There is no evidence for the flood
Is there any scientific proof that there was no flood! As a world wide accepted fact? There is no evidence of the soon death of yours but no evidence doesn't prove it will not happen/or didn't happen...
Knives, you a wanna be scientist and be in their community idiot. Did any scientist prove what happens in an afterlife or is just a lights out? Is that possible to extract Einsten from the places he abides since 1955?
A theory of random yet favorable mutations.
That's really interesting. Einstein is a random yet favorable molecule mutation and so is Ms. America either. Hitler is not that successful molecule mutation right? Though it doesn't say anything what happens in an afterlife and a myraid of other questions.
Now a question for you a wanna be scientist. I don't care for how much universes there are nor how big they are.
When the scientists make the man live forever? And since you're going to be a research scientist and unveil all life's mysteries as you say, please find out where does Hitler abide exactly hell or paradise? I can't fall asleep as the scientists do not give answer. Ok clown?
I highly recomend you to read "the IDIOT" by Dostoevskiy
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Why do you think that? Don't most people just tend to adopt the religious ideas of their parents? It need not be forceful but most people just believe what they are told since their youth, rather than investigating and finding answers on their own.
I think that as children that yes, most tend to adopt the religious ideas of their parents...but once they are older and more able to think for themselves, many explore other belief systems and their minds may or may not change in regard to this.
This has been my experience anyway...many people I know grew up in a denomination they now reject....others were atheists and now are Christian. As adults we tend to think for ourselves. I suppose some have never explored other possibilities though and hold to the beliefs with which they were brought up...but like I said, in my experience they are few and far between.
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Well, the Genesis story doesn't hold much weight in any scientific community. There is no evidence for the flood. There is also no evidence that Egyptians ever had Hebrew slaves. I could go on but I think the point is made.
As tony said previously "not proving the null does not prove the alternative." Plus there have been threads here regarding both of those subjects w/information that might prove very interesting to you...when I have more time I will try to find them.
It is certainly not scientifically feasible to create a man from dirt and then a woman from his rib.
But we are talking about "God" that did this...not humans w/limited knowledge and power.
Also of the fear of obliteration, most people I talk to find that very scary! Many want to think that they will continue to exist, in an after life, and that they will say deceased loved ones, etc, again. Of the people I talk to the greatest fear many have is death without an after life. I mean if it does happen that way it clearly wouldn't matter after one has been obliterated because he or she wouldn't be around to "feel" any type of thing, but that can still be a scary thought.
I'll never understand it being a scary thought. Just like your last sentence states, "if it does happen that way it clearly wouldn't matter."
Things about nature not being designed: I am admittedly no expert, but according to physics/biology as we understand it today, most life today has come into being as a result of random mutations taking place in various molecules. Eventually complex organisms with genetic material were formed over billions of years and here we stand today. There is certainly much more to it, but generally a theory of random yet favorable mutations which create organisms capable of surviving to continue to reproduce can explain how we are here without a designer.
It's harder for me to believe that life as we know it, including vision, hearing, emotions, etc have all been resulting from random mutations than to believe we were designed this way...but people think differently of course.
And in regard to surviving to reproduce..... as a previous conversation on this board covered the fact that most species have to have "intercourse" w/another of the same kind to reproduce, would be a huge step backward.
Finally, as I said before I'm simply a beginning grad student and I can't explain all of life's mysteries. I am going to be a research scientist so that I can do my own investigations into finding out how the world works. I don't claim to know everything about the universe and the life that inhabits it, but I like to keep learning more from ways that can be proven through science. I like to be able to prove what I know and I can't take a mystic answer for anything. I admit that there are many things I don't know, and I will spend the rest of my life trying to learn what I can.
I can really appreciate your approach...I think your mind is going to open even more to spiritual possibilities in your studies.
Good "talking" w/you Knives :)
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Don't buy Stella's sentiments Knives, you will break your neck in attempt to prove that there is no God. At least you can say that you've tried! It's not an insult buddy but rather a fact - you're a fake scientist as an american smile.
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As of yet the low iq non believers (a wanna be scientists) in their attempt to disprove God have come with the following!
low IQ....riiight
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theonlyone has a closed mind and can't process alternative explanations, so he reverts to insults, jabs and misquotes.
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knives I know it may seem like a stretch to you but what if the Bible isnt a literal record of the events?
God created Adam(a single celled organism) he then created Eve from Adams rib(A-Sexual reproduction) this is likely how life began...
What I find interesting is that you feel you need proof to believe in God but you have no proof to disprove God but you believe him to not exist anyway...that is if I understand your stance correctly?
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What I find interesting is that you feel you need proof to believe in God but you have no proof to disprove God but you believe him to not exist anyway...that is if I understand your stance correctly?
the burden of proof lies on someone claiming something extraordinary....not on someone that refuses to believe in the extraordinary
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I see a lot of unbelievers here feel that science and the Christian Bible are at odds w/each other.
Other than the theory of (macro) evolution, what aspects of science do you feel are in opposition to the bible?
probably the bible never explains how god got created, he just exists???
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do religious munkeys ever have an original thought or do they just copy and paste other peoples thoughts and plagiarize the bible?
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do religious munkeys ever have an original thought or do they just copy and paste other peoples thoughts and plagiarize the bible?
i think your question has been answered
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I see a lot of unbelievers here feel that science and the Christian Bible are at odds w/each other.
Other than the theory of (macro) evolution, what aspects of science do you feel are in opposition to the bible?
Age of the universe : ~15 billion (science) vs ~6,000 (bible)
There is no way the Earth is even remotely close to being 6 thousand years old.
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Age of the universe : ~15 billion (science) vs ~6,000 (bible)
There is no way the Earth is even remotely close to being 6 thousand years old.
check this out
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/mystery_monday_040524.html
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check this out
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/mystery_monday_040524.html
cool link.
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Geekfreak word in word where exactly in the bible it is said that - the age of the Universe is 6000
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Geekfreak word in word where exactly in the bible it is said that - the age of the Universe is 6000
It is generally agreed upon with Biblical scholars and with various denominations. Genesis claims that everything came into being within 6 days, including man (Adam). In the New Testament, we learn that Adam is a great grandfather of many generations to Jesus (it is listed in its entirety in one of the first 4 books, I believe the book of John). From this, a ball park figure of no more than 4 thousand years is possible, add that Jesus died roughly 2 thousand years ago, and you get 6 thousand years.
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I see a lot of unbelievers here feel that science and the Christian Bible are at odds w/each other.
Other than the theory of (macro) evolution, what aspects of science do you feel are in opposition to the bible?
Demon possession. Bible says it's real, science says it isn't. It is most likely early man's first attempt at trying to understand the psychiatrically ill.
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probably the bible never explains how god got created, he just exists???
Yes. He is referred to as the Eternal God.
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It is generally agreed upon with Biblical scholars and with various denominations. Genesis claims that everything came into being within 6 days, including man (Adam). In the New Testament, we learn that Adam is a great grandfather of many generations to Jesus (it is listed in its entirety in one of the first 4 books, I believe the book of John). From this, a ball park figure of no more than 4 thousand years is possible, add that Jesus died roughly 2 thousand years ago, and you get 6 thousand years.
Some people do believe that the earth is around 6000 years old but the bible does not state that.
I think less people believe that the universe is around 6000 years old (bible doesn't state that either).
What does seem to be about 6000 years old according to the bible imo, is LIFE on earth as we know it.
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Not to sound smart but I did not understand where exactly its claimed the universe is 6000 years old?
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Demon possession. Bible says it's real, science says it isn't. It is most likely early man's first attempt at trying to understand the psychiatrically ill.
This is kind of along the lines of what I was asking for....but not exactly.... What I was really wanting to see is some type of scripture statement that is provably scientifically inaccurate.
The scientists that do not believe in demons cannot prove that they don't exist or possess people...see what I mean?
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Not to sound smart but I did not understand where exactly its claimed the universe is 6000 years old?
It's not. As I think you know it is a common misconception among some people..... both believers and unbelievers.
The thing I find fascinating is that some people that claim against the 6000 years of creation, whether it be life, earth or whatever, seem to have strong faith in carbon dating, geological column etc....which they have read about or been told about and never seen firsthand in their lives......see? Faith. We all have faith...but sometimes it is in different things.
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Some people do believe that the earth is around 6000 years old but the bible does not state that.
I think less people believe that the universe is around 6000 years old (bible doesn't state that either).
What does seem to be about 6000 years old according to the bible imo, is LIFE on earth as we know it.
There are christians that would disagree with you.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Young_Earth_creationism
http://www.religioustolerance.org/ev_date.htm
http://www.christianity.co.nz/science5.htm
http://www.christiananswers.net/creation/menu-age.html
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100509194632AAmgUch
http://www.asa3.org/ASA/resources/Wiens.html
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There are christians that would disagree with you.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Young_Earth_creationism
http://www.religioustolerance.org/ev_date.htm
http://www.christianity.co.nz/science5.htm
http://www.christiananswers.net/creation/menu-age.html
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100509194632AAmgUch
http://www.asa3.org/ASA/resources/Wiens.html
Is the Trojan is gone? I'm skeered to click on any links....can you just post up what scripture they are referring to saying that the universe is 6000 years old?
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The thing I find fascinating is that some people that claim against the 6000 years of creation, whether it be life, earth or whatever, seem to have strong faith in carbon dating, geological column etc....which they have read about or been told about and never seen firsthand in their lives......see? Faith. We all have faith...but sometimes it is in different things.
There is more rationale behind modern geology than ancient testimony.
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Is the Trojan is gone? I'm skeered to click on any links....can you just post up what scripture they are referring to saying that the universe is 6000 years old?
In a nutshell, there are christians in modern day society that believe in a young earth/universe. They get that interpretation from the Bible. So, it's a real argument to bring up, perhaps not geared toward yourself.
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In a nutshell, there are christians in modern day society that believe in a young earth/universe. They get that interpretation from the Bible. So, it's a real argument to bring up, perhaps not geared toward yourself.
Yep I know there are some believers who hold to a young earth theory (and some to a young universe theory). I know where they are coming from though. But it's just not specifically stated that way in the bible...
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Yes. He is referred to as the Eternal God.
I don't understand? He just was always there? What did he come from, the argument he is eternal just doesn't make any sense just an excuse to me.
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I don't understand? He just was always there? What did he come from, the argument he is eternal just doesn't make any sense just an excuse to me.
There is a girl named Knives on the forums she's gonna dedicate her life to unveiling all life's mysteries as she's said, she's gonna be a scientist. I think she will find out what did God come from.
As for you asking such questions. God being eternal is an excuse right? Nothing is possible to have been called the eternal. But if there is nothing being eternal how comes that word is used and somewhat comprehended?
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As for the demons. Since you all a wanna be scientists are done with reading "The Idiot" by Fedor Dostoevskiy now I suggest to read "The possessed" also written by him. It's exactly about the demons that possess the people.
Dostoyevsky is acknowledged by critics as one of the greatest psychologists in world literature. They were polite and didn't call him the greatest. :-X
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The burden of proof is upon you to show God is real, because you make such claim.
I can tell you that the boogy monster in my closet is real, but without proof you probably would not be so inclined to share my opinion. Also, you would know that your inability to disprove the boogy monster does not constitute or justify the boogy monster's existence.
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What, then, about the proofs of God's existence, of which, as is known, there are exactly five?'
'Alas!' An idiot wanna be scientist said with regret. 'Not one of these proofs is worth
anything, and mankind shelved them long ago. You must agree that in the realm of reason there can be no proof of God's existence.'
'Bravo!' cried the foreigner. 'Bravo! You have perfectly repeated restless old Immanuel Kant's thought in this regard. But here's the hitch: he roundly demolished all five proofs, and then, as if mocking himself, constructed a sixth of his own.'
I mean you ain't no Immanuel...
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theonlyone has a closed mind and can't process alternative explanations, so he reverts to insults, jabs and misquotes.
Seriously. It's like trying to reason with a 5 year old. My intial posts weren't even directed to this asshole.
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If only real life was so easy as saying - it's like trying to reason with a 5 year old. Know bedbug who you talkin to
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If only real life was so easy as saying - it's like trying to reason with a 5 year old. Know bedbug who you talkin to
Hey since you're so peppy and full of zest (and claiming nonbelievers have low IQ's) what is your educational background? which universities did you finish, what degrees do you hold, oh and lastly what is your occupation!?
since you live in a little town I am sure you must be someone of great importance like the mayor, or maybe salesman, or possibly waiter or server in a bar !?!? tell us please, what distinguished position do you hold for a job !?
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Your question would have been answered if we were face to face гомодрил узколобый
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the above post proves that religious folks cant come up with 1 original thought
they either
1) constantly recite crap from a old book
2) copy n paste points other have already made
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tell me theonlyone, what are my views/belief about god?
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tell me theonlyone, what are my views/belief about god?
dont force him think man.....
errr...wait....
he'll just copy n paste stuff from the holy book :D
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if he can think and state something tangiblr, I will give him some credit. we'll see
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Hold on, I'm still pondering what does "A bar trivia guru" prove... :-X
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Hold on, I'm still pondering what does "A bar trivia guru" prove... :-X
have you EVER taken a science class?
if you think stuff like "the uncertainty principle" is "bar trivia"...you fall under my " thank god he ws born christian and in the USA cause if he had been born in afghanistan he'd be taliban/suicide bomber no doubt at all in my mind" sorta people
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Hold on, I'm still pondering what does "A bar trivia guru" prove... :-X
it was a sarcastic statement. so i again ask, what are my views?
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it was a sarcastic statement. so i again ask, what are my views?
I'm not a mason, I don't care... :)
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so in other words you can't say what my views are so you don't reallyt have any ideas about what I am about, but just decide to assume what you will since you can't really articulate matters and rather mistate things.
I guess this will be number 30 ::)
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so in other words you can't say what my views are so you don't reallyt have any ideas about what I am about, but just decide to assume what you will since you can't really articulate matters and rather mistate things.
I guess this will be number 30 ::)
Wrong 31
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I love trance around the world with Above and Beyond, ARMADA trance
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have you EVER taken a science class?
if you think stuff like "the uncertainty principle" is "bar trivia"...you fall under my " thank god he ws born christian and in the USA cause if he had been born in afghanistan he'd be taliban/suicide bomber no doubt at all in my mind" sorta people
He's a Russian peasant, living in some little town in the USSR and he's very proud of the church his idiotic town spent millions on..
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He's a Russian peasant, living in some little town in the USSR and he's very proud of the church his idiotic town spent millions on..
they have religious fanatics in russia too?
wtf man...isn't there like a temperature limit for these fuckers...like if it gets below a certain temperature religious fanatics cant tolerate it >:(
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As the women love to say in such cases - Are you sure that you would say it to his face with all that pathos? lol
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rofl, carpe vaginum
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theonlynut is correct, his god cannot be disproven. It cannot be disproven due to the fact that it's based on blind faith. He even goes on to say that his own god is incomprehensible, so any type of logic and reasoning you put on the table will be quickly dismissed and thrown out the window. It is an exercise in futility. You cannot argue what he believes in, but rather point out the lack of justification for it, an area where the non believer has the leverage.
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theonlynut is correct, his god cannot be disproven. It cannot be disproven due to the fact that it's based on blind faith. He even goes on to say that his own god is incomprehensible, so any type of logic and reasoning you put on the table will be quickly dismissed and thrown out the window. It is an exercise in futility. You cannot argue what he believes in, but rather point out the lack of justification for it, an area where the non believer has the leverage.
He is a close minded idiot, arguing with him is like trying to win an argument with a tomato can..
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rofl, carpe vaginum
:D
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As the women love to say in such cases - Are you sure that you would say it to his face with all that pathos? lol
of course i would say it to your face...and then i'd spit in it...
see you r a christian...and following the teaching of this fictional christ...you HAVE to turn the other cheek ;)
..which i would slap also byatch :-*
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I am the God's slave. The slave can have only one master and I kneel before him only. Otherwise I would accept the fact that there is someone equal to God. The man dreaming to break orthodox christian and force him bow down the head is have drowned in pride, he's sinful by the fact that he's trying to become like the only one master of an orthodox christian - his rescuer. I would even let the IDIOT from the great country of Afghanistan to spit in the face and bitch slap me to amuse one's pride but in the end one will end up with all broken fingers, torn off the tongue and cut off ears. Will not kill but maim! And the one who has been called "I have 3 degrees from the 3 different Huge universities, from the Huge cities and am a spoilt kid of the rich parents" in the past will be called "An invalid and unable to sense the world logically and with reasoning" in present. Bodybuilding, nor police, nor army, nor media, nor scientists, nor even BRUCE WILLISS will help. Who knows, it's only words...
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theonlynut is correct, his god cannot be disproven. It cannot be disproven due to the fact that it's based on blind faith. He even goes on to say that his own god is incomprehensible, so any type of logic and reasoning you put on the table will be quickly dismissed and thrown out the window. It is an exercise in futility. You cannot argue what he believes in, but rather point out the lack of justification for it, an area where the non believer has the leverage.
The god isn't mine, it's me his. It's based on acceptance and not on blind faith. You're talking about the logic and reasoning. The atheists should disprove God's existence or prove that there is no God that would be logically correct and with reasoning. German Philosopher Immanuel Kant had tried and failed big time, what does make you think that you will succedd in proving there is no God? You're no one and named void to dictate God to show up and show his balls for you. You were talking about of logic and reasoning, again? :)
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From what I can comprehend of your poor English and religious drivel, you've done nothing but reinforce my point.
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From what I can comprehend of your poor English and religious drivel, you've done nothing but reinforce my point.
When I started reading serious literature it was all drivel and I couldn't comprehend anything, it sorta reinforced my point that it's BORING and USELESS!!! I was the complete moron like you!
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When I started reading serious literature it was all drivel and I couldn't comprehend anything, it sorta reinforced my point that it's BORING and USELESS!!! I was the complete moron like you!
Answer the question, have you ever taken a science class ?
post elementary school.
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It's not whether one have taken a science class or not what does matter is what one can teach the other. You sound like you have taken 100 different science classes at once, what you know that I don't know, try to suprise me...
They don't know what they are doing, but in case of TA, CE and bunch of the other guys they don't know how stupid they are. It's getting boring already but at least some practice in English...
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It's not whether one have taken a science class or not what does matter is what one can teach the other.
good gawd....
so ...basically...one can teach knowlodge without learning it first themselves....
since i'm a teacher...i usually refrain from calling people stupid....
you..you're stupid...
at least stupid people never know that they r stupid...
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Captain E since you have learned a lot from multiple sciences classes teach us some knowledge. I'm sure one more post and you prove that there is no God. Yours 32!!!
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It's not whether one have taken a science class or not what does matter is what one can teach the other. You sound like you have taken 100 different science classes at once, what you know that I don't know, try to suprise me...
They don't know what they are doing, but in case of TA, CE and bunch of the other guys they don't know how stupid they are. It's getting boring already but at least some practice in English...
Go back to your little village and pray some more..
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Go back to your little village and pray some more..
Wrong move and the HUGE cities like New York or Los Angeles will be wiped out in 30 - 31 secs from the face of the earth. Those who live in there will not know eventually as to how it all turned out, they will die the 1'st. Russian nuclear-powered attack submarines (Not from Afghanistan) not only patrol off coast area of the USA but those lie still in underwater near those HUGE cities. So go back to your HUGE city and pray some more. Will they say it unbiased on american TV or you all brainwashed with no hope? Kidding, kidding...
Ohhh It's the final countdown
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Wrong move and the HUGE cities like New York or Los Angeles will be wiped out in 30 - 31 secs from the face of the earth. Those who live in there will not know eventually as to how it all turned out, they will die the 1'st. Russian nuclear-powered attack submarines (Not from Afghanistan) not only patrol off coast area of the USA but those lie still in underwater near those HUGE cities. So go back to your HUGE city and pray some more. Will they say it unbiased on american TV or you all brainwashed with no hope? Kidding, kidding...
Ohhh It's the final countdown
spoken like a true christian ::)
i bet poor stells damn near smacks her forehead everytime she reads your posts...you've like the christian version of a muslim with a fundie mentality...giving the others a bad name :-\
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Ohhh It's the final countdown
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Biwg Lw Dawg
Comments on video a bit later. You brought democracy to Iraq, we'll bring to USA. kidding, kidding
Kewl! Goowd! r
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Wrong move and the HUGE cities like New York or Los Angeles will be wiped out in 30 - 31 secs from the face of the earth. Those who live in there will not know eventually as to how it all turned out, they will die the 1'st. Russian nuclear-powered attack submarines (Not from Afghanistan) not only patrol off coast area of the USA but those lie still in underwater near those HUGE cities. So go back to your HUGE city and pray some more. Will they say it unbiased on american TV or you all brainwashed with no hope? Kidding, kidding...
Ohhh It's the final countdown
onlyone, do you believe that Russia is referred to in Ezekiel 38 and 39?
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onlyone, do you believe that Russia is referred to in Ezekiel 38 and 39?
You mean that the Russian invading armies will lose without a battle, when God rains down fire and brimstone on their military forces?
Russia will never invade anyone. Russia is by far the largest country in the world, covering more than a ninth of the Earths land area and has the world's largest reserves of mineral and energy resources, the world's largest forest reserves and its lakes contain approximately one-quarter of the world's unfrozen fresh water blah, blah, blah. Why we should invade anyone? If you look at the USA from the cosmos it looks like the one city with no free space left, Captain Idiot is forced to live somwehere overthere, no? It's a world wide fact that you go down the slope. It thinks there will be a war for natural resources, so who is gonna invade who? There are emerging super powers and weakening, the USA is latter. That was a polite answer?
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You mean that the Russian invading armies will lose without a battle, when God rains down fire and brimstone on their military forces?
Russia will never invade anyone. Russia is by far the largest country in the world, covering more than a ninth of the Earths land area and has the world's largest reserves of mineral and energy resources, the world's largest forest reserves and its lakes contain approximately one-quarter of the world's unfrozen fresh water blah, blah, blah. Why we should invade anyone? If you look at the USA from the cosmos it looks like the one city with no free space left, Captain Idiot is forced to live somwehere overthere, no? It's a world wide fact that you go down the slope. It thinks there will be a war for natural resources, so who is gonna invade who? There are emerging super powers and weakening, the USA is latter. That was a polite answer?
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There is no Russia left you idiot, the Russia I knew fell apart in 1989. Now there are a bunch of satellite soviet states run by old communist fools, Moskva is run by the Mob and ex KGB.
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I laugh too if suddenly read all the USA media propaganda...
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Covering the land area by country is like a dick length :-X
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Covering the land area by country is like a dick length :-X
somehow ...i dont think u r a Christian...
call it gut instinct
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Scientology and Tom Cruise!!! Ezekiel 38 and 39? Hold on I drank too much but at least it was a town's day 273 years, like the whole USA! Stella is like a true christian don't cause trouble
Good night
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somehow ...i dont think u r a Christian...
call it gut instinct
hes a troll...and by far the biggest idiot on this site...
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hes a troll...and by far the biggest idiot on this site...
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he's also a Russian peasant and makes all Russian people look bad :(
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he's also a Russian peasant and makes all Russian people look bad :(
one of my good friends Masha is russian...
russian people r pretty nice..he must be the exception
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Stella, tell me what the heck does A Russian Peasant mean? Is that an insult or a compliment?
Look at this flock of sheep! Biwg Lw Dawg quoting TA, Captain Idiot quoting Biwg Lw Dawg, TA quoting Captain Idiot and all are confessing in love to me. You brought democracy to Iraq, Russia is gonna bring democracy to the USA is it ok? And as it's not a secret for anyone that the USA is weakening it's influence on the world and soon it's influence will equal of the modern Afghanistan in general what do you think will leave in the memory of the once powerful empire? Hollywood, fake flight on the moon, Michael Jackson, the most obese nation, disneyland, smile all 24 h, what else?
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i thought this funny. let the hating begin...
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i thought this funny. let the hating begin...
"The WEST is trying it's utmost to put Russia down on its knees, but Russia is still continueing to lie still and proud..."
In America there are roads that were built but they forgot to mark down them on maps. In Russia there are roads that were marked down on maps but they forgot to build them...
There is nothing yet the chapaneese have invented that Russians weren't able to impair
I mean there is no hating needed as we are the 1'st to laugh at ourselves, we just lie relaxed as the Russian bear in the winter, I mean don't touch the russian beast unless you want to have huge troubles. Surely you lose a lot of charm and piquancy from translation, not that I'm a good speaker either and most likely you have to live sometime in there to understand anecdote and why the people would laugh at it
There is no hating Migs it's called to lose in the long run. What does make you think that the USA will become stronger and more powerful than ever before? Blind faith or Barack Obama?
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So the bible is no more at odds with science folks?
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There is no hating Migs it's called to lose in the long run. What does make you think that the USA will become stronger and more powerful than ever before? Blind faith or Barack Obama?
Obama is the antichrist
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I salute everybody for taking their pride keep still in their assh... It means much
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In science one only entertains theories and hypotheses that can be proven by experimental evidence. Theories such as evolution and the big bang (cosmology) are widely accepted in the scientific community rather than intelligent design because they can better explain what we observe experimentally.
Anyone who denies the genius design in, lets say, the human body... is a complete fool. Truly blind.
Failing to see the obvious design in everything around you is an incredible thing to me.. its as plain as day (for some of us), and evidence of designer.
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hes a troll...and by far the biggest idiot on this site...
Hes a fairly sharp guy, actually.. getting severely lost in translation here.
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Hes a fairly sharp guy, actually.. getting severely lost in translation here.
What did you say? Learn some English :-X
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Anyone who denies the genius design in, lets say, the human body... is a complete fool. Truly blind.
Failing to see the obvious design in everything around you is an incredible thing to me.. its as plain as day (for some of us), and evidence of designer.
Yet everybody's opinion on who the designer(s) is or are, is different, which accounts for the many religious and conflicting schools of thought. Hundreds, if not thousands, of gods have been proposed thought human history. Christians themselves can't agree upon biblical interpretation, hence many denominations within Christianity. Would a designer so self evident leave such ambiguity?
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Yet everybody's opinion on who the designer(s) is or are, is different
So what? Opinions are like assholes... :)
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So what? Opinions are like assholes... :)
so what??? That's my whole point. Doesn't that suggest to you that nobody really knows what the hell they are talking about?
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so what??? That's my whole point. Doesn't that suggest to you that nobody really knows what the hell they are talking about?
Those conflicting schools of thought is just a brand name.
Chastity is not a rule or a precept, but an ideal, or, more correctly, one
of its conditions. An ideal is only then an ideal when its realization is
possible in the idea only, in thought, when it presents itself as attainable
only at infinity, and when, therefore, the approach to it is infinite. If an
ideal were not only attainable, but we could imagine its realization, it
would cease to be an ideal. Such is Christs ideal, the establishment of the
kingdom of God upon earth, an ideal which had been foretold even by the
prophets when they said that the time would come when the people would be
instructed by God, when the swords would be forged into ploughshares and the
spears into sickles, when the lion would lie with the lamb, when all the
creatures would be united in love. The whole meaning of human life consists
in a motion toward this ideal, and therefore the striving after the
Christian ideal, in all its entirety, and after chastity, as one of the
conditions of this ideal, not only does not exclude the possibility of life,
but, on the contrary, the absence of this Christian ideal would destroy all
movement forward and, consequently, all possibility of life.
Love God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind,
and thy neighbour as thyself. Be ye perfect, even as your Father which is
in Heaven is perfect.
Such is the teaching of Christ.
The verification of the execution of external religious tenets is the
coincidence of the acts with the injunctions of these tenets, and this
coincidence is possible.
The verification of the execution of Christs teaching is the consciousness
of the degree of its non-correspondence with the ideal perfection. (the
degree of approximation is not visible; what is visible is the deflection
from perfection.)
A man who professes an external law is a man who is standing in the light of
a lamp which is attached to a post. He is standing in the light of this
lamp, he sees the light, and he has no other place to go to. A man who
professes the teaching of Christ is like a man carrying a lamp before him on
a more or less long pole: the light is always before him; it always incites
him to follow it, and continually opens up in front of him a new illuminated
space which draws him on.
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Just 0,00000000000000000000000000001 % of Leo Tolstoy
So I'll be back and astalavista, wtf does it mean >:(???
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Stella, tell me what the heck does A Russian Peasant mean? Is that an insult or a compliment?
I'm not sure..some of this thread has me pretty confused
Anyone who denies the genius design in, lets say, the human body... is a complete fool. Truly blind.
Failing to see the obvious design in everything around you is an incredible thing to me.. its as plain as day (for some of us), and evidence of designer.
I also find it harder to believe that all of this happened out of chance than from design.
What did you say? Learn some English :-X
james was complimenting you onlyone.
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Yet everybody's opinion on who the designer(s) is or are, is different, which accounts for the many religious and conflicting schools of thought. Hundreds, if not thousands, of gods have been proposed thought human history. Christians themselves can't agree upon biblical interpretation, hence many denominations within Christianity. Would a designer so self evident leave such ambiguity?
I guess I don't understand the point of us not agreeing on who the designer is when we are talking about no designer verses designer. All the people you are talking about above agree there is a designer right?
Is your point that since not everyone understands who the designer is, that there cannot be a designer? Sorry I'm confused again lol
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james was complimenting you onlyone.
I knew it Stella, I think James got me if he read it from the begining ;)
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so what??? That's my whole point. Doesn't that suggest to you that nobody really knows what the hell they are talking about?
Yes, so what? Let them talk.
I think, that everything the *designer(s)* wanted us to know.. was left for us to see. All we can do is observe, acknowledge and appreciate the sheer genius of it.
What more is there? Anything beyond that is pissing in the wind.
But to deny the brilliance.. the obvious, intentional design in everything around us - is foolish. I do not understand how people can do that.
Like I said, its plain to see, and its awe inspiring.
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Who says there is a designer !?!? there is no proof of there being one or one ever existing, science so far has been able to deduce everything in the world and worlds around us, if not we are getting pretty damn close..within 100 years we will have most things figured out including prolonged space travel and will start figuring out (for real) multiple dimensions and higher aspects of string theory, while simpletons and idiots will still be clutching their bibles close to their heart for their jesus to protect them. Brilliant scientists will be discovering new planets and galaxies around us.
Religion is the opiate of the masses.. Nietzsche
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Nietzsche was stupid and abnormal. - Leo Tolstoy
If there are gods how would i deal that I'm not one of those?- Nietzsche
That clown Nietzsche is demon possesed as we say. Complete idiot. You seen his photo? Have fun!
Your next stupid post will be 32.
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In your mind, is anyone BUT Tolstoy not an idiot !?!?... ya, I didn't think so..oh wait, maybe Dostoyevskyi or was he an idiot too?
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As of yet the low iq non believers (a wanna be scientists) in their attempt to disprove God have come with the following!
1) Uncertanity principle - an object cannot be in 2 places at the same time
2) More and more scientists now believe that we live in a multiverse
3) Everything is bound by natural law but i'm watching a cricket game right now
4) As an aspiring professional scientist I
5) To simply believe something for which there is no evidence
6) But with scientific advancement those notions have long been supplanted
7) We as humans exist in 4 dimentions...3 spacial dimentions (length , breadth and height) and 1 time dimention.
8) According to string theory..there r 13 and some say upwards of 20 dimentions... In 12'th dimention scientists see as they identify - the God's balls! It's a matter of time before they grab 'em!
9) Written by a primitive people scared of natural phenomena like lightning, eqarthquakes, floods, etc.
10) In religion one must accept what one is told because one's family tells one what to believe
11) Wikipedia
12) Youtube
13) Don't insult and demean scientists who reject God as it has no evidence
14) I have 3 degrees and am a bar trivia guru that proves that there is no God and religion is false!
15) Steve Hawkings
16) r you on drugs?
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18) a theory of random yet favorable mutations explains/proves we are here without a designer. Einstein is a random yet favorable molecule mutation and so is Ms. America. Hitler is not that successful molecule mutation! How about to kill all those people with wrong molecule mutations at once?
19) Hubble flying telescope
20) People fearing god. Those who do not fear are called scientists which proves that there is no God
21) Scientists do not know whether there is an afterlife/hell/paradise etc or not. It has no evidence they say which proves that there is no afterlife and Jesus Christ talked nonsense!
22) American tv broadcasts the truth only! Hollywood is real deal! American dream! That proves that there is no God!
23) the burden of proof lies on someone claiming something extraordinary say scientists. There is no afterlife, no judgement say the scientists and they have the solid proof - those have not evidence!
24) There is no God because there is no evidence! - scientists call it a very deep thought!!! A very deep thought proves that there is no God. Don't copy and paste this deep thought! All rights reserved!
25) One can post a thread "Fuck God hahahahaha" on getbig and the day is still as long. That proves that there is no God unless the God's punishment would follow immediately
26) Eliminate word "Eternal" from vocabulary, nothing is eternal in this world. Since God cannot be eternal it proves that there is no God!
27) There is a new wave of scientists who are trying equate God with the boogy monster. There is still no evidence of God (i.e. playing harps in the clouds) and the boogy monster in GeekFreak's closet but no evidence proves that there is no God. There is no God - scientists say, it's proved - The boogy proof!
28) If one wants to have a very high IQ, be of great importance and be a hardcore nonbeliever by default one has to have a huge educational background like 3 or 5 degrees from the different HUGE universities from the different HUGE cities and have a HUGE job occupation. That proves that there is no God.
29) YngiweRhoads, Toxic Avenger, Captain Exitpole, Migs from getbig?
30) I'm from afghanistan! have you EVER taken a science class? no? IF all the religious people took a science class at once they would have all changed their mindset immediately and then the scientists who claim themselves non believers due to their extra exceptional intelligence would not have to prove that there is no God. To believe in God is like to believe in Santa Claus scientists say, hahaHAHAHAhaha the the the the hahaha haha ha h, there is no evidence bwahaHAHAha the the the ha ha h, hehe, it proves that there is no God.
31) What my views are? Hey what are views of mine? What mines views? Hahahah the the the the ha h hehe The hehe you can't crawl into my skull and see my views? Nor that only you cannot do it, I cannot understand my views myself because the world is so complicated, today I believe there is a God, tommorow I do not believe hahaha ahahaha the the the HAHAha the. You see no one knows what my views are, because no one can crawl into my thick skull!!!! Hehe There is no God or there is? What my views are? I'm from USA and have 2 degrees and a bar trivia GHURHU Haha the the a rofl, carpe vaginum hahah the the the a
32) I said that Nietzsche said - Religion is the opiate of the masses.. It mathematically proves that God doesn't exist.
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within 100 years we will have most things figured out including prolonged space travel and will start figuring out (for real) multiple dimensions and higher aspects of string theory, while simpletons and idiots will still be clutching their bibles close to their heart for their jesus to protect them. Brilliant scientists will be discovering new planets and galaxies around us.
U'd foget to add that they (The Scientists) will ressurect Jesus Christ and Einstein for that matter and we shall see who is who respectively. From then on people will be living in eternity and never ever die!
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U'd foget to add that they (The Scientists) will ressurect Jesus Christ and Einstein for that matter and we shall see who is who respectively. From then on people will be living in eternity and never ever die!
Actually my friend the scientists are pretty close (within 5 years) of being able to clone Jesus of Nazareth from DNA on the shroud of Turin , I was just listening to a radio show where they were talking about remaking Jesus like they did the dinosaurs in Jurassic Park :)
now bear in mind this might not be YOUR biblical Jesus for 100% certainty but the clone would be of a man from that exact time period that had the cloth as a burial dress and was in fact named Jesus.. :)
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Actually my friend the scientists are pretty close (within 5 years) of being able to clone Jesus of Nazareth from DNA on the shroud of Turin , I was just listening to a radio show where they were talking about remaking Jesus like they did the dinosaurs in Jurassic Park :)
now bear in mind this might not be YOUR biblical Jesus for 100% certainty but the clone would be of a man from that exact time period that had the cloth as a burial dress and was in fact named Jesus.. :)
Just imagine when they clone Hitler!
Question for you Captain. How the scientists would prove that they cloned Jesus exactly and not someone else? So afterall they prove that Jesus was of human material and not a robot from cosmos right?
I call that achievement bullshit! :P :P :P