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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: marcos chacon on July 16, 2010, 03:01:18 AM
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ok gh15 lets talk, just a question , ok i dont doubt that what u say its maybe true, but why u just cant accept that maybe not everyone does what u say, i mean i own nothing trying to defend my ideas here or discussing with the guys, i know what i do and what paco does, why as i accept what u say cant accept what i say nobody has 100% truth , u know some guys take tons of gear and never progress and also u know some of the guys take allmost nothing look at weights and grow.
a well recognoised pro that has being compiting here in spain and now a top pro, has allmost never dieted and allways looks in shape, goes on a diet for 2 weeks and he is the most ripped guy on stage, sure he takes his vitamins but u cand dennie his superior genetics.
if u know all the things u say and it looks like u do,i think u should be more open minded, dont u think so?
talkimg about me , i am not a top pro at all i just compete because i like to do and i dint go to the limit, i weight 123 kg right now i have been clean for 4 months, and yes clean is clean like u say, notinhg at all, now i started to take some hormones test and bold and i am not over a gram adding the 2 of them and 4 units gh, thats all, now u believe or not, 2 weeks into this and i gained 2 kg , ok, just water but i will go on for 8 or 10 weeks i am sure i will get to 128 easy, coz i know how my body reacts i know what to eat and how to train for my self, why u just cant believe it.
lets talk not disscus about it.
peace
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Brutal broken "gh15 approved" english.
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Brutal broken "gh15 approved" english.
u try to write it in spanish ;D
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If you're willing to translate it in French, i'll give it a go.
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If you're willing to translate it in French, i'll give it a go.
no problem my friend i also speak french ;)
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hairy marcos
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no problem my friend i also speak french ;)
You seem like a good guy and I like that you stick up for your friend.
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Marcos , we know who you are ,you are open to talk etc.This GH 15 could be anyone who knows a lot about drugs and not a pro.
Just don`t bother about this god he he, or what he writes.
Buena suerte amigo.
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i dont see what the idea is behind this thread?
u will never make GH15 say that pro's take little amount of drugs and who cares anyways?
u pro's should be discussing new and old groundbreaking material instead of moaning about who believes little dosages
and u should be discussing it right here in front of our eyes so we can read usefull info i dont care about what you think paco does or doesnt do it is pretty obvious that guy is out of control using the pharmacy as his living room
silvio 's been ill due to his continues extensive usage so thats not an example neither
the first on to reveal true and effective procedures about IV bags, long and fast slin, various diuretica formula and crazy vascularity will be the true God
thing is im not far away from finding out myself and when i do i will post it here once im done competing
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Marcos, about your calf. How did you get this nerve damage, as you said? Did you inject your calves a lot before the damage, or did you try to fix the damage with oil?
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the first on to reveal true and effective procedures about IV bags, long and fast slin, various diuretica formula and crazy vascularity will be the true God
thing is im not far away from finding out myself and when i do i will post it here once im done competing
Are you implying pros are getting crazy gains from complex protocols and products no one knows about?
There is no secret info. There may be some experimenting with new exotic stuff here and there (and it usually isn't a bodybuilder per se who is pushing it either), but most of that shit fails.
A great many pros and advanced bodybuilders know very little about the technical aspects of the drugs they are taking.
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who said anything about complex protocols?
yes there are protocols that make you grow more then others and you should know this
there are no secrets but correct use of what i mentioned above should give you phenomenal results
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Marcos, about your calf. How did you get this nerve damage, as you said? Did you inject your calves a lot before the damage, or did you try to fix the damage with oil?
never trained calfs in my life i allready had them when i played footbal, never injectec nothing there, doctors are going crazy , because i findt out is not nervous and is ot vascular, so i still dont know what the hell it is.
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Marcos , we know who you are ,you are open to talk etc.This GH 15 could be anyone who knows a lot about drugs and not a pro.
Just don`t bother about this god he he, or what he writes.
Buena suerte amigo.
Exactly. I have no doubt gh15 knows about steroids. I do not think he is a IFBB pro and if so he has not won a show whihc makes him someone who just talks shit to look better than he is. And the way he puts shit to make it sound like he is 100% right and no one else is pisses me off too. And the way he pretends to know exactly what someone is taking just by looking at a photo cracks me up. He is a moron more than anything. But no matter what, it is obvious he is someone who has taken a boatload of steroids with bad results. His anger is in every post. I would be surprised if it is someone like that guy with the huge biceps that injects synthol. I can't remember his name. His language in his posts he could be doing on purpose to sound foreign and ignorant.
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by addressing gh15 directly with a dedicated thread only gives his words more credibility.. ;D
Marcos, why wouldnt gh15 admit that maybe there are some exceptions to the "rule"?
because whenever a pro comes on board and talks about how he uses only small amounts, how he comes off most of the year, he doesnt use anything but a little deca, etc etc.... the amount of people who believe that pro always far surpasses the amount of people who call the pro out for his bullshit lies.
if gh15 says "okay, what ive been saying is true for most people, but there might be an excpetion or two out there"... then all of the sudden nobody is going to doubt a pro when he says he is clean or on small amounts or always "off".
its basic debate strategy. if yoru opponent is giving no compromise and pushing his stance far far from the truth, then in order to keep the middle ground in the "actual middle", then you need to push just as hard to your side of the debate and keep all compromise hidden.
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How tall?
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by addressing gh15 directly with a dedicated thread only gives his words more credibility.. ;D
Marcos, why wouldnt gh15 admit that maybe there are some exceptions to the "rule"?
because whenever a pro comes on board and talks about how he uses only small amounts, how he comes off most of the year, he doesnt use anything but a little deca, etc etc.... the amount of people who believe that pro always far surpasses the amount of people who call the pro out for his bullshit lies.
if gh15 says "okay, what ive been saying is true for most people, but there might be an excpetion or two out there"... then all of the sudden nobody is going to doubt a pro when he says he is clean or on small amounts or always "off".
its basic debate strategy. if yoru opponent is giving no compromise and pushing his stance far far from the truth, then in order to keep the middle ground in the "actual middle", then you need to push just as hard to your side of the debate and keep all compromise hidden.
No not really,. What it does is expose the bullshit he flings around. Just like Goodrum. Alot fo the guys on Getbig are smart and they catch EVRYTHING on here. You should know this cause you are one of the smart ones.
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No not really,. What it does is expose the bullshit he flings around. Just like Goodrum. Alot fo the guys on Getbig are smart and they catch EVRYTHING on here. You should know this cause you are one of the smart ones.
the only difference in Marcos is a pro. for him to take time out of his day and come on here and make a thread directly to gh15 says something about the power of gh15's words.
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the only difference in Marcos is a pro. for him to take time out of his day and come on here and make a thread directly to gh15 says something about the power of gh15's words.
is not power or not power, is just that i think and act in a diferent way, and think that is possible to do.for my bodybuilding is more than gh15 describes
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marco's is a good dude,his thread on the other board has good hindsight into the kinda guy he is.he looks pretty big clean and i know it's relative to how many yrs 'on' and training but still impressive.
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never trained calfs in my life i allready had them when i played footbal, never injectec nothing there, doctors are going crazy , because i findt out is not nervous and is ot vascular, so i still dont know what the hell it is.
All these years and you never jumped on a calf machine and busted out endless amount of sets just to see what it feels like to train a muscle? I don't get it. Regardless of how big one of your muscle parts are, if you never trained a certain bodypart, then maybe you are not a bodybuilder at all.
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is not power or not power, is just that i think and act in a diferent way, and think that is possible to do.for my bodybuilding is more than gh15 describes
tell us what bodybuilding is to you, how u think and act, whats possible
also shed some light on the use of iv procedures before show thank you :)
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All these years and you never jumped on a calf machine and busted out endless amount of sets just to see what it feels like to train a muscle? I don't get it. Regardless of how big one of your muscle parts are, if you never trained a certain bodypart, then maybe you are not a bodybuilder at all.
his outer calf is big and defined, it is the inside head that has some "problem". there is no way he only trained the outer head and nr ot the rest. his calves are big, check your eyes.
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tell us what bodybuilding is to you, how u think and act, whats possible
also shed some light on the use of iv procedures before show thank you :)
1-i believe is not all megadoses (for me) i know loads of guys do, but is not the way for me, maybe i turned pro after 18 years lifting but i proved u can make it, i do have off seaason and normal social life, i hate taking gear but i do because i am in the game and those are the rules,i also check my health allways i do take, before and after taking, i believe that i have good genetics and that helps a lot, and i have trained like crazy and had food to feed a whole familly.
2-iv, never done that and i dont have a clue how u do it,would like to learn about it, just to know, honestly, even i am a pro i learn new things every day.
- i allways relate to arnold,segio,columbu, etc, they had less machinery, less suplements and took 10% of the drugs that today exist, and do u think half of the guys on board wouldnt like to look like they did, how they did it?? of course hard work tons of food, and great genetics.i think it is possible, why not,
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1-i believe is not all megadoses (for me) i know loads of guys do, but is not the way for me, maybe i turned pro after 18 years lifting but i proved u can make it, i do have off seaason and normal social life, i hate taking gear but i do because i am in the game and those are the rules,i also check my health allways i do take, before and after taking, i believe that i have good genetics and that helps a lot, and i have trained like crazy and had food to feed a whole familly.
2-iv, never done that and i dont have a clue how u do it,would like to learn about it, just to know, honestly, even i am a pro i learn new things every day.
- i allways relate to arnold,segio,columbu, etc, they had less machinery, less suplements and took 10% of the drugs that today exist, and do u think half of the guys on board wouldnt like to look like they did, how they did it?? of course hard work tons of food, and great genetics.i think it is possible, why not,
they took same doses ,,the diff was they had less to chose from and their products were ALWAYS LEGIT,,
legit products = lower dose = same results,,they still used plenty though similar to today fellas when it came to the base,,
now i shall answer this thread ,,it will be posted when im done i will answer it on here for every one to see,,
gh15 approved
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The lack of english in this thread is disturbing
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The lack of english in this thread is disturbing
my brain hurts
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ok,,here is your answer,, this i already said many many times in the past but i shall right it AGAIN,,i will first start with the basics,,it wil be power point presentation of what and how bodybuilders are:
1. bodybuilders always lie,, this is something that top amatuers and professional always do ,,i did it too i admit it,,
2. bodybuilders never get off hormones unless its emergency ,,aka no money left being poor,,getting in hospital for surgery and abses remove or kidny and liver problems,, geting sick or retiring due to health issues,, etc etc
3. bodybuilders will always ,,the top ones aka top amatuers and professional,, use base of human grade drugs,,its very important for you to understand that friends,,bodybuilders the sucessful ones that didnt ened up as rat gym build their physiqe on human grade drugs,,yes underground is there but a lot later and inaddition to hunman grade,, the testosterona is alwys human
4. bodybuilders,,the ones who are willing to say something abotu something ,,will always downgrade the part of hormones in the make up of the phsyiqe eventhough the drugs are 90% of the physiqe ,,you can see it in manypictures i put in the bible ,,it is common sense but gh15 also presented it in the bible in quite a disturbing way and show you the differences legit drugs do on physiqe,,
5. americano bodybuilders tend to not only lie on the outside to the society but also to the inside of the family,,they will be addicts of the worst degree or users of an average level gym rat and still hide it from their girlfriend wives kids from anyone in their best friend circle they will lie to your face with out thinking twice ,,reason is deep in the american culture ,,its too complicated to explain ,,and it also have to do with their shame from their american society and their strictness their society put on someone who cheat ,,remember for americano useing hormones is considered cheater,,not to forget,,marion jons ,,berry bons,,9 out of 10 basball players and football players,,tennis players,,even golf players use growth hormones ,,they just do it in low enough doses and dont train to be bodybuilders nor eat to be one ,,thats why they are in shape and big ,,but not big enough to be consider by society as bodybuildr ,,they just keep body fat percentage at double digit low to mid level insted of high singles and that can make the trick that make most of you think they may be clean or natural,,there are no athletes now days who are natural ,,they are very rare to find,,
ok,,now to the posting at hand,,
you can be big and lean on 4 units gh and testosterona ,,listen to how i write it though,,i said testosterona AND hgh,,that is the only combo that will let you get to big numbers over 230lb lean if youur e5'9 510 average heights,,its important for you my friends to understand that tesosterona by itself will not and can not put you there no matter how much cardio you do and no matter how much food you do ,,you will poop it out!
the bodybuilder is human being,,we all very much alike ,,build of mostly water,,and soem do respond to drugs better and have better muscle shape,,but! its all within limits of 10-15 lb from eachother at the absolut max,,ofcourse gh15 is talking about same body fat% on 2 bodybuilders,,
now,,testosterona by itself can grow one lean ,,lets say for example you take 500 mg of legit human grade test and 20 mg anabol,,those are typical gym rat does that can not i repeat CAN NOT PUT YOU AT NATIONAL LEVEL COMPETITION,,SOME BODYBUILDERS IF THEY TALK TO YOU WIL TRY TO TELL YOU IT CAN BUT THATS WHERE THEY LIE TO YOU,,real testosterona and i say real because ug in 9 out of 10 cases is bunk and bunk can be many things but it aint human grade,,but real testostron will at dose of 500mg a week will have you stuck at 5'9 220-225 lb at true10% and thats if you have very good training history and know your bodybuilding and dont take it eay on your training ,,what i mean is you can lift as heavy as possible for you btu if you dont live bodybuilding 24/7 and have time to only put into it ,,thtat 500mg test will not even let you be 225lb at 10 % you will be 215 lb at 10%,,everything matters when you want to get full potentiasl of the minimal doses,,
and that brings gh15 to talk about what next,,you do see fellas bodybuilders who walk around 230 at 6 % and 250 at 8 % and 270 at 10 % all the time correct? they are not 6'7 they are 5'7 to 6'1,,you see them walking around with very good condition and stil big full cut and THICKKKKKKKKKKKKKK,,that is because they increased the testosterona dose to above 500mg depending on the size they wanted to be as in thickness size ,,and had the gh units to cut them up while being on the testosterona,,it works very veyr good together ,,it is the combo we all use and we abuse the SHIT out of it ,,it grow you LEAN,,its the only thing that put you at hard cut defines thick 250lb at 5'11 at mid singles or even high singles,,
now ,,true indeed what cocroonch say about 4 units of gh and some test is true! but NOT AT THE LEVEL HE TALKS ABOUT ,,at the level he talk about we are COMPLETE ADDICTS,,WE HAVE A LOT OF TRENBOLONA TESTOERONA AND HGH WE ALL PLAY WITH INSULIN AND SOME OF US USE THE SHIT OUT OF IT AND ALSO LOOK LIKE SHIT BECAUSE OF IT ,,
national competitors have taken 20-30 units of gh a day ,,when i called god of hormones gh15 it meant 15 units because i told you here many times that that is the magic number FOR ME and for many professionals,,
you cant hide from it and you cant lie about it ,,why? because those young bodybuilders sooner or later will discover the truth ,,they also waant to be big and conditioned and they are exactly liek what you are with out hormones,,they are like you 170 -180 lb at 15% in a good case ,,the bodybuilder is not meant to walk around 230 lb at 6% at 5'10 and whast gets him there is growth and testosterona mainly,, and they find it ,,then they use it ,,they s tart liek what you say 2 units 4 units with 500mg ,,they see that it only takes them to specific size and they wil be stuck at it for years no matter what no matter what they eat or how diff they train they get to platue and this platue is not strength platue but body muscle platue that CAN NOT BE CHANGED UNLESS YOU INCREASE DOSES OF DRUGS,,
not for nothing i have become GOD OF HORMONES,,the reason they made me that is that i took them and explained them how it works and what need to be done ,,i actually spoke the truth ,,took them from zero and actually put reality on their table,,unlike some who come and take a cycle they do just to get in some kinda decent shape and only use 4 units and 750mg test,,yes that cycle will put you at 230 with 8% but no it wont take you to the next level no matter how serious you are or how your genetic is,,
genetic respons is important ofcourse and with out it you will nto get professional card,,but inorder for it to respond to the max your lean muscle mass need to have enough drugs taken so it can untilize this response to the max,,
thats the main secret of pro and top amatuer bodybuilding,,most of them dont care to tell you that ,,most of them DO NOT WANT YOU TO LOOK LIKE THEM other wize what do they do ,,they have no one to impress ,,if you go in gym 230 at 8% then you look almost same as them ,,then if you take it more extreme and dotn have women problems and have enough money and sponsor you take it even higher to 250 at 8% and then guess what ,,you go around and we dont impress you anymore,,you are like us ,,will you buy magazie if you look like me? will you care about any supplements ,,will you listen to paco or anyone ,,will we impress you ,,?
bodybuilding is a vaniity cult ,,it is not a sport per say now days because of people like reeves who started this drug approach quietly and went to europe or europe came to them with suspension in water injection ,,thennnn it went human grade into arnold body as all you can eat dianabol testosterona and deca/primo buffet,,and then it went into extreme big time ,,some had beter genetic respond some had less,,the ones who had better ended up o winners or top 10 o the ones who didnt have as good ended up doing small shows and or being amatuer like palumbo who completetly destroyed bodybuilding absolutely killed it ,,then you have all the dantas and tropopins in between that just try to make a living off you fellas,,
this is a vanity cult,,we always need to impress and the ones who claim to take the smallest doses are the winners in the public eyes,,what happened even worse is the ones who claimed to be naturals now days that completely took us as a sport off the fuckin map and ruined us to a point we will be forever a cult now and thre punishment of us as a whole,,we are paying the price ,,but guess what...no body cares why? becaue a true bodybuilder only cares about how he look and if people look at him ,,we dont care about any other thing,,the diff with god of hormones is ,,he came with no need for money or gain ,,he came under gh15 identity and just brought it all in light ,,thus changed bodybuilding face forever,,thus wil be remembered as god of hormones and hall of fame bodybuilding in the internet era,,who will remember gh15? all the students over the years which amount to 1000s and they are the next generation of professional amatuer gym rats and fans,,they know exactly who guided them
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gh gimmick please die. you are not and never were a pro.
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take the delta fella that just posted,,this is good example of what going on today on bodybuilding boards,,half of posters are underground pushers and owners of their own scam of ug bunk oil or very bad quality poweders,,they all hate gh15 with capital H ,,they are all dealers have no doubt about it my friends,,gh15 destroyed few of them and ruined many of their bunk operations ,,they just were not ready for god of hormones to make such an impact,,they saw it at the begginign as fun but then those convicts started to lose money because all my followers stoped buying,,they started understanding whats up ,,and the story is history,,
alaways remember the worst bashers of gh15 ,,take aside onlyme since i hurt his hero reeves,,but aside from him many many scam operations were stopped by gh15,,many moderator and fellas get benefited from this,,they sit on boards with 10s of names under proxys and scam the whole system making a living on YOUR DREAM TO GET BIG,,only 1 out of 10 is true solid operation ,,rest living off you ,,eating their sushi off you ,,feeding their whore off you ,,and in most cases are not serious bodybuilders,,
most of them get benefits as a moderator and bribes by underground operation ,,the dif is they get human grade and leave you all with the shit,,and if they get the ug they get the 10 legit vials with shitty powder but still those vials made overdosed to 400mg insted of the 300 mg writeen so they get out of it 180mg of shitty poweder which work if you inject it enough times,,
thats the truth my friends,,
gh15 approved with love to delta:)
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take the delta fella that just posted,,this is good example of what going on today on bodybuilding boards,,half of posters are underground pushers and owners of their own scam of ug bunk oil or very bad quality poweders,,they all hate gh15 with capital H ,,they are all dealers have no doubt about it my friends,,gh15 destroyed few of them and ruined many of their bunk operations ,,they just were not ready for god of hormones to make such an impact,,they saw it at the begginign as fun but then those convicts started to lose money because all my followers stoped buying,,they started understanding whats up ,,and the story is history,,
alaways remember the worst bashers of gh15 ,,take aside onlyme since i hurt his hero reeves,,but aside from him many many scam operations were stopped by gh15,,many moderator and fellas get benefited from this,,they sit on boards with 10s of names under proxys and scam the whole system making a living on YOUR DREAM TO GET BIG,,only 1 out of 10 is true solid operation ,,rest living off you ,,eating their sushi off you ,,feeding their whore off you ,,and in most cases are not serious bodybuilders,,
most of them get benefits as a moderator and bribes by underground operation ,,the dif is they get human grade and leave you all with the shit,,and if they get the ug they get the 10 legit vials with shitty powder but still those vials made overdosed to 400mg insted of the 300 mg writeen so they get out of it 180mg of shitty poweder which work if you inject it enough times,,
thats the truth my friends,,
gh15 approved with love to delta:)
hahahaha love you too man (no homo), not now nor ever was a pusher of any kind. you implied as much.
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is not power or not power, is just that i think and act in a diferent way, and think that is possible to do.for my bodybuilding is more than gh15 describes
bodybuilding is more than just taking drugs, i agree, and i think gh15 agrees as well.
i think your missing the point that gh15 is trying to make. he wants all the people to understand that its impossible for them to look like the pro bodybuilders on the covers of magazines unless they use steroids for a considerable amount of time.
every pro bodybuilder has had to train and eat consistantly for years in order to get where they are. most of them it took a decade or more of hard training and big eating. but this was in conjunction with steroid use, and the body they acheived would be inacheivable without the steroid use to go along with the training.
there are alot of guys, mostly young men and teenage boys, who are obsessed with getting huge muscles and looking like the top bodybuilders do. they buy into the magazine and supplement ad hype, and listen to the words of the guys who look the way they want to look. these guys are wasting their time and money if they dont understand that the look of a top pro bodybuilder is inaccessible for anyone who is not using steroids along with their training.
its really not about putting down the liars and calling out the frauds, but about enlightening the masses and spreading the good word of truth. :P
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bodybuilding is more than just taking drugs, i agree, and i think gh15 agrees as well.
i think your missing the point that gh15 is trying to make. he wants all the people to understand that its impossible for them to look like the pro bodybuilders on the covers of magazines unless they use steroids for a considerable amount of time.
every pro bodybuilder has had to train and eat consistantly for years in order to get where they are. most of them it took a decade or more of hard training and big eating. but this was in conjunction with steroid use, and the body they acheived would be inacheivable without the steroid use to go along with the training.
there are alot of guys, mostly young men and teenage boys, who are obsessed with getting huge muscles and looking like the top bodybuilders do. they buy into the magazine and supplement ad hype, and listen to the words of the guys who look the way they want to look. these guys are wasting their time and money if they dont understand that the look of a top pro bodybuilder is inaccessible for anyone who is not using steroids along with their training.
its really not about putting down the liars and calling out the frauds, but about enlightening the masses and spreading the good word of truth. :P
You're trying to tell me guys like flex, cormier and priest lived and breathed bodybuilding? Hell no. They had wicked genetics that respond to drugs well and were able to build bodies without killing themselves in the gym.
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ok,,here is your answer,, this i already said many many times in the past but i shall right it AGAIN,,i will first start with the basics,,it wil be power point presentation of what and how bodybuilders are:
1. bodybuilders always lie, i did it too i admit it I was never a real bodybuilder. i just like guys in thongs and helping them put Protan on,
2. I take huge doses of steroids and have NOT acheived 1/2 of the success Goodrum has,
i am GOD OF HOMOS
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Look I saved you alot of time typing. Quit writing books on here no one can read or understand.
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Look I saved you alot of time typing. Quit writing books on here no one can read or understand.
true, but at least this goof15 is easier to understand than the other one.
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bodybuilding is more than just taking drugs, i agree, and i think gh15 agrees as well.
i think your missing the point that gh15 is trying to make. he wants all the people to understand that its impossible for them to look like the pro bodybuilders on the covers of magazines unless they use steroids for a considerable amount of time.
every pro bodybuilder has had to train and eat consistantly for years in order to get where they are. most of them it took a decade or more of hard training and big eating. but this was in conjunction with steroid use, and the body they acheived would be inacheivable without the steroid use to go along with the training.
there are alot of guys, mostly young men and teenage boys, who are obsessed with getting huge muscles and looking like the top bodybuilders do. they buy into the magazine and supplement ad hype, and listen to the words of the guys who look the way they want to look. these guys are wasting their time and money if they dont understand that the look of a top pro bodybuilder is inaccessible for anyone who is not using steroids along with their training.
its really not about putting down the liars and calling out the frauds, but about enlightening the masses and spreading the good word of truth. :P
if that was the case that would be fine. but he is trying to convince guys that if you have any development at all is is drug induced. this is self-serving as he is an admitted drug dealer.. if young bodybuilders believe that nothing can be achieved without steroids, then more people are going to go on drugs sooner without creating a base. that is abusing his position of trust that many on this board have placed him in
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if that was the case that would be fine. but he is trying to convince guys that if you have any development at all is is drug induced. this is self-serving as he is an admitted drug dealer.. if young bodybuilders believe that nothing can be achieved without steroids, then more people are going to go on drugs sooner without creating a base. that is abusing his position of trust that many on this board have placed him in
I don't get that from him. He's saying anyone who gets to 6% and under and over 215 pounds and don't look all stringy, are on some kind hormone. And he is 99% right.
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Excellent posts as usual GH15
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1-i believe is not all megadoses (for me) i know loads of guys do, but is not the way for me, maybe i turned pro after 18 years lifting but i proved u can make it, i do have off seaason and normal social life, i hate taking gear but i do because i am in the game and those are the rules,i also check my health allways i do take, before and after taking, i believe that i have good genetics and that helps a lot, and i have trained like crazy and had food to feed a whole familly.
2-iv, never done that and i dont have a clue how u do it,would like to learn about it, just to know, honestly, even i am a pro i learn new things every day.
- i allways relate to arnold,segio,columbu, etc, they had less machinery, less suplements and took 10% of the drugs that today exist, and do u think half of the guys on board wouldnt like to look like they did, how they did it?? of course hard work tons of food, and great genetics.i think it is possible, why not,
"- i allways relate to arnold,segio,columbu, etc, they had less machinery, less suplements and took 10% of the drugs that today exist, and do u think half of the guys on board wouldnt like to look like they did, how they did it?? of course hard work tons of food, and great genetics.i think it is possible, why not," Couldn't have said it better !!
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ok,,now to the posting at hand,,
you can be big and lean on 4 units gh and testosterona ,,listen to how i write it though,,i said testosterona AND hgh,,that is the only combo that will let you get to big numbers over 230lb lean if youur e5'9 510 average heights,,its important for you my friends to understand that tesosterona by itself will not and can not put you there no matter how much cardio you do and no matter how much food you do ,,you will poop it out!
the bodybuilder is human being,,we all very much alike ,,build of mostly water,,and soem do respond to drugs better and have better muscle shape,,but! its all within limits of 10-15 lb from eachother at the absolut max,,ofcourse gh15 is talking about same body fat% on 2 bodybuilders,,
now,,testosterona by itself can grow one lean ,,lets say for example you take 500 mg of legit human grade test and 20 mg anabol,,those are typical gym rat does that can not i repeat CAN NOT PUT YOU AT NATIONAL LEVEL COMPETITION,,SOME BODYBUILDERS IF THEY TALK TO YOU WIL TRY TO TELL YOU IT CAN BUT THATS WHERE THEY LIE TO YOU,,real testosterona and i say real because ug in 9 out of 10 cases is bunk and bunk can be many things but it aint human grade,,but real testostron will at dose of 500mg a week will have you stuck at 5'9 220-225 lb at true10% and thats if you have very good training history and know your bodybuilding and dont take it eay on your training ,,what i mean is you can lift as heavy as possible for you btu if you dont live bodybuilding 24/7 and have time to only put into it ,,thtat 500mg test will not even let you be 225lb at 10 % you will be 215 lb at 10%,,everything matters when you want to get full potentiasl of the minimal doses,,
and that brings gh15 to talk about what next,,you do see fellas bodybuilders who walk around 230 at 6 % and 250 at 8 % and 270 at 10 % all the time correct? they are not 6'7 they are 5'7 to 6'1,,you see them walking around with very good condition and stil big full cut and THICKKKKKKKKKKKKKK,,that is because they increased the testosterona dose to above 500mg depending on the size they wanted to be as in thickness size ,,and had the gh units to cut them up while being on the testosterona,,it works very veyr good together ,,it is the combo we all use and we abuse the SHIT out of it ,,it grow you LEAN,,its the only thing that put you at hard cut defines thick 250lb at 5'11 at mid singles or even high singles,,
now ,,true indeed what cocroonch say about 4 units of gh and some test is true! but NOT AT THE LEVEL HE TALKS ABOUT ,,at the level he talk about we are COMPLETE ADDICTS,,WE HAVE A LOT OF TRENBOLONA TESTOERONA AND HGH WE ALL PLAY WITH INSULIN AND SOME OF US USE THE SHIT OUT OF IT AND ALSO LOOK LIKE SHIT BECAUSE OF IT ,,
national competitors have taken 20-30 units of gh a day ,,when i called god of hormones gh15 it meant 15 units because i told you here many times that that is the magic number FOR ME and for many professionals,,
you cant hide from it and you cant lie about it ,,why? because those young bodybuilders sooner or later will discover the truth ,,they also waant to be big and conditioned and they are exactly liek what you are with out hormones,,they are like you 170 -180 lb at 15% in a good case ,,the bodybuilder is not meant to walk around 230 lb at 6% at 5'10 and whast gets him there is growth and testosterona mainly,, and they find it ,,then they use it ,,they s tart liek what you say 2 units 4 units with 500mg ,,they see that it only takes them to specific size and they wil be stuck at it for years no matter what no matter what they eat or how diff they train they get to platue and this platue is not strength platue but body muscle platue that CAN NOT BE CHANGED UNLESS YOU INCREASE DOSES OF DRUGS,,
not for nothing i have become GOD OF HORMONES,,the reason they made me that is that i took them and explained them how it works and what need to be done ,,i actually spoke the truth ,,took them from zero and actually put reality on their table,,unlike some who come and take a cycle they do just to get in some kinda decent shape and only use 4 units and 750mg test,,yes that cycle will put you at 230 with 8% but no it wont take you to the next level no matter how serious you are or how your genetic is,,
genetic respons is important ofcourse and with out it you will nto get professional card,,but inorder for it to respond to the max your lean muscle mass need to have enough drugs taken so it can untilize this response to the max,,
thats the main secret of pro and top amatuer bodybuilding,,most of them dont care to tell you that ,,most of them DO NOT WANT YOU TO LOOK LIKE THEM other wize what do they do ,,they have no one to impress ,,if you go in gym 230 at 8% then you look almost same as them ,,then if you take it more extreme and dotn have women problems and have enough money and sponsor you take it even higher to 250 at 8% and then guess what ,,you go around and we dont impress you anymore,,you are like us ,,will you buy magazie if you look like me? will you care about any supplements ,,will you listen to paco or anyone ,,will we impress you ,,?
bodybuilding is a vaniity cult ,,it is not a sport per say now days because of people like reeves who started this drug approach quietly and went to europe or europe came to them with suspension in water injection ,,thennnn it went human grade into arnold body as all you can eat dianabol testosterona and deca/primo buffet,,and then it went into extreme big time ,,some had beter genetic respond some had less,,the ones who had better ended up o winners or top 10 o the ones who didnt have as good ended up doing small shows and or being amatuer like palumbo who completetly destroyed bodybuilding absolutely killed it ,,then you have all the dantas and tropopins in between that just try to make a living off you fellas,,
this is a vanity cult,,we always need to impress and the ones who claim to take the smallest doses are the winners in the public eyes,,what happened even worse is the ones who claimed to be naturals now days that completely took us as a sport off the fuckin map and ruined us to a point we will be forever a cult now and thre punishment of us as a whole,,we are paying the price ,,but guess what...no body cares why? becaue a true bodybuilder only cares about how he look and if people look at him ,,we dont care about any other thing,,the diff with god of hormones is ,,he came with no need for money or gain ,,he came under gh15 identity and just brought it all in light ,,thus changed bodybuilding face forever,,thus wil be remembered as god of hormones and hall of fame bodybuilding in the internet era,,who will remember gh15? all the students over the years which amount to 1000s and they are the next generation of professional amatuer gym rats and fans,,they know exactly who guided them
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OK guys, regardless of what you think of this guy, read this again and again so you understand it because it pretty much sums up the levels of bodybuilding from the average gym rat to the top pros.
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GH15:
Makes complete sense. In fact it makes you question your own actions and behaviour.
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No one has to share the same opinion as gh15 but there's no denying that he speaks the absolute truth. Anyone who thinks otherwise can renew their MD subscription and spend their next paycheck on a bb.com order of worthless supplements for whatever its worth.
I'd rather be real, be comfortable with cycling some juice now and again and have fun with what I'm doing. I'm not 240lbs with 6% bf but I like my physique. I enjoy training and eating and the modest ego stroke I get when chicks turn their heads and guys wonder whether I subscribe to the theory of creatine loading or not.
Don't be afraid of a little vanity. As long as it doesn't consume your life, ego or health its all good ya bunch of pussies. I invite the naive gh15 deniers to become acquainted with their penises again and stop being beta males.
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all i can read is a copy paste from one of his posts 4 years ago
atleast marco admitted he doesnt know how iv's are used but even he would like to know
gh15 is a combination of what everyone thinks of him, to some he is a saviour to others nuttin but a tool
since thi sguy has not brought anything new to the table instead just living at his home like old ppl do telling same boring stories over and over again to the kids, ill go for the latter
to guys who wanna know about iv whats in it and how they use it i will post it here in September after i talk to major competitor who used it several times
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btw this is from jhon romano
Some gurus use short-acting insulin to carb their guys up before a show while an IV bag full of glucose drips into a vein. These guys are constantly running the risk of severe hypoglycemia, slipping into a coma, and dying within hours. But, it hasn't happened yet.
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all i can read is a copy paste from one of his posts 4 years ago
atleast marco admitted he doesnt know how iv's are used but even he would like to know
gh15 is a combination of what everyone thinks of him, to some he is a saviour to others nuttin but a tool
since thi sguy has not brought anything new to the table instead just living at his home like old ppl do telling same boring stories over and over again to the kids, ill go for the latter
to guys who wanna know about iv whats in it and how they use it i will post it here in September after i talk to major competitor who used it several times
As he keeps being asked the same drivel I guess he has to keep repeating himself.
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GH15 keeping hormonized tits in line.
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I can't see why someone (GH15) would invest so much spare time into passive agressive venting on other people's lifestyle choices. Clearly bummed every day of his life by his daddy.
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5. americano bodybuilders tend to not only lie on the outside to the society but also to the inside of the family,,they will be addicts of the worst degree or users of an average level gym rat and still hide it from their girlfriend wives kids from anyone in their best friend circle they will lie to your face with out thinking twice ,,reason is deep in the american culture ,,its too complicated to explain ,,and it also have to do with their shame from their american society and their strictness their society put on someone who cheat ,,remember for americano useing hormones is considered cheater,
I actually think the documentary movie Bigger, Faster, Stronger portrays this quite convincingly:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1151309/
Anyone who hasn't seen it should do so. Interesting watch.
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I can't see why someone (GH15) would invest so much spare time into passive agressive venting on other people's lifestyle choices. Clearly bummed every day of his life by his daddy.
gh is an ego-driven gimmick. Like a baby that craves attention: if you won't give it to him, he will demand it of you. ::)
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to guys who wanna know about iv whats in it and how they use it i will post it here in September after i talk to major competitor who used it several times
There is nothing to know. I can tell you right now there's little to no advantage to doing anything IV. The IVs they played around with to dry out years ago? It was only an attempt to circumvent the diuretic test. Not gonna do anything beyond what can be achieved with more conventional methods.
btw this is from jhon romano
Some gurus use short-acting insulin to carb their guys up before a show while an IV bag full of glucose drips into a vein. These guys are constantly running the risk of severe hypoglycemia, slipping into a coma, and dying within hours. But, it hasn't happened yet.
John is an absolute retard when it comes to drugs. You can take a shitload of insulin and you won't need an IV. I don't see any advantage.
Only scenario I could see is at night when you obviously don't eat because you're asleep. But this is again something that won't make a major impact in any scenario.
Just my humble opinion. :D
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u read it here first
plasma expanders by mixing slin with IV glucose bags
one name: RHEOMACRODEX (google it if uwant more info)
i will post all info regarding how much to use when to use how to use in separate thread in october
as well as diverse cutting edge diuretic usage and mind boggling vascularity
to vanbilder you should get in to some competitions and live the walk first hand you will realise this is not a joke
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u read it here first
plasma expanders by mixing slin with IV glucose bags
one name: RHEOMACRODEX (google it if uwant more info)
i will post all info regarding how much to use when to use how to use in separate thread in october
as well as diverse cutting edge diuretic usage and mind boggling vascularity
to vanbilder you should get in to some competitions and live the walk first hand you will realise this is not a joke
I have seen plenty first hand. I believe some play with different exotic stuff, that's not what I'm doubting.
What is the advantage to this stuff? What do you believe they do that can't be done without them?
You can easily top off your glycogen with food. Why do you need IV glucose? Only reason I see would be if your stomach bloats from food and you're attempting to control that. But giving you conditioning per se beyond food loading, I don't think so.
Oral diuretics work. Why would you need IV diuretics or plasma expanders, unless you overloaded and needed a very quick fix?
I mean, all this stuff is interesting to me. I want to hear everything, so by all means post about it. However I don't think it will do something that can't be done through other means.
Most of the exotic stuff fails. It's played with for a while and then it's on to the next great thing. This is bodybuilding: steroids get you to point A. Steroids + GH + insulin gets you to point B and C. This is 99% of successful bodybuilding pharmacology right there. It's very simple really. As far as peaking for a show it's very personal and situation based when it comes to diuretics and all the stuff you talk about so you can't really give a schedule that works all the time anyway. It depends on the specific situation and the specific person and changes from show to show even with the same person. How many diuretics for example "should" one take to peak right? No one can answer that. It depends.
And if this stuff gives such mind boggling vascularity, why isn't Cutler using it? And why has he seriously messed up his peaking several times? Because there is no schedule that guarantees results. You play with diuretics and exotic stuff and it can go either way very easily and very quickly. Chad Nicholls was one who played with the plasma expanders. How do his clients look at the O? I don't know if he still does this stuff or it was just a phase, but take Martinez. Where's the mind boggling vascularity and conditioning? Nowhere to be seen. :D
BTW, there's this stuff for vascularity:
http://www.synthetek.com/products/synthelator-vasodilator/
I think Disgusted said he saw Phil Heath take this stuff backstage. Did it make a difference? Either positive or negative? I don't know.
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what is the advantage? you go from edge to cutting edge
i will give u couple of examples: why take tribulus if u can take test instead
why shoot slin in stomach if u can do it IM with better results
shoot hg gh iv instead of im and ull have an extra edge
plasma expanders should give u even more of that full blown muscularity, its not that hard to understand ur literally pouring in essential liquids into ur bloodstream so ur bloddplasma levels increase hence increased musclarity pumps, vascularity whatever
i didnt say this will give u conditioning per se, im talking if everything else is OK and u wanna take it to the next level then this shd work
oral diuretics dowork and it has been shown that iv diuretics work even better, but im not talking about iv diuretica
im only looking for diverse known formulas and like u say these protocols vary from person to person and i dont have any problem with that, its all just about the knowledge then creating your own formula
now about cutler i think ur mistaking in his vascularity, he just doesnt come in right for the show and holds water no wonder you dont see his veins popping although im absolutely certain he too does take everything he can to increase it to the eye
the problem with cutler and his veins lies elsewhere
last O he did make impressive progress though
Martinez same thing never dials it in liek i said everything else needs to be in check before trying these techniques or nithgin will happen
i thought u were supposed to know these simple facts
about heath yes if he takes it its definately in a quest to achieve that extra edge he's looking for
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ok i see this is a "lost war" gh15 thinks what he thinks and thats all, ok i respect.but is not that way me, i wont even try again to argue with him.i gain nothing, he thinks everyone lies, well its his problem.
take care and live bb like u think it is
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Marcos , we know who you are ,you are open to talk etc.This GH 15 could be anyone who knows a lot about drugs and not a pro.
Just don`t bother about this god he he, or what he writes.
Buena suerte amigo.
Good to see you posting again, Backday. I remember you from MGB. Really inspirational bro.
I called out gh15 in the past and received the predictably incoherent, multi paragraph 'i am god of homos' telling off. Then I saw him change his stance over the next few months 180 degrees to very nearly what I said in the first place, most notably regarding PCT. Those who remember the thread will know what I'm talking about. He's just an internet geek who reads juice forums. Total gimmick account of the sad weirdo variety.
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friends,,will ,,worm,,you wont get me to talk about what you want ,,gh15 talks about what IT wants,,what van wrote is pretty much the truth ,,yes we do some other things,,i may talk about later on ,,but i can not just write is on here because of the following gh15 has,,it is too risky because people will try it and many of them are just not ready ,,most of them dont need it ,,what van said is the truth,,
aas gh slin + a number of stimulants,,thats it my friends,,first get the size then we talk more,,
and no ,,there is no need for pct ,,its an internet fed up balonie made bu internet generation called GENERATION NOTHINGNESS
gh15 approved
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i dunno buddy, looks to me like you dont really know
i will post and reveal the 'answers' myself dont worry
thank you
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ok i see this is a "lost war" gh15 thinks what he thinks and thats all, ok i respect.but is not that way me, i wont even try again to argue with him.i gain nothing, he thinks everyone lies, well its his problem.
take care and live bb like u think it is
He doesn't even seem to live bodybuilding in any way. He just collects knowledge about a subject he hates for no reason. Everyone knows everyone takes steroids. What's the big deal? I'd tell my girlfriend if I took them. What's to be ashamed about? It's necessary if you want to look insanely muscular. This board wouldn't exist without them as noone cares about skinny natural morally annoying bodybuilders physiques. He seems to have melted his own brain with his negative obsession about shame and lying and blah blah blah, so yeah lets just leave him to it.
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btw gh15 nobody said Van is wrong im saying there is more to it then that
u go from edge to cutting edge
ur dry and lean, u did ur homework ur on the edge
u take some diuretic u add some Thiomucase or Prep-H plus vasodilatators u r cutting edge
and so on
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friends,,will ,,worm,,you wont get me to talk about what you want ,,gh15 talks about what IT wants,,what van wrote is pretty much the truth ,,yes we do some other things,,i may talk about later on ,,but i can not just write is on here because of the following gh15 has,,it is too risky because people will try it and many of them are just not ready ,,most of them dont need it ,,what van said is the truth,,
aas gh slin + a number of stimulants,,thats it my friends,,first get the size then we talk more,,
and no ,,there is no need for pct ,,its an internet fed up balonie made bu internet generation called GENERATION NOTHINGNESS
gh15 approved
Flip flop flip flop. You'd have been laughed off the board if you weren't so desperate to keep crawling back.
Quote one thing you've ever said which was groundbreaking and correct. No chatter. Find a past post and quote it. Go on. Own me. :P
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worm,,do you relaly in your right mind think that gh15 god of hormones can be laughed of anywhere? you have here people who make living off bodybuilding that tell you gh15 words are gold,,im never wrong because this is what i been doing for many years,,gh15 has so many post among the 5000 that is the real deal,,thats why its called the bible,,right now at any given time on every board there is posting by gh15 that been quoted from years back,,even on this board on the steroid section they just posted gh15 posting from 3 years back and praise it ,,you know why? because those postings are trial and error of a real professional,,its not something like i heard friend,,or heard buddy ,,its a pro life of a bodybuilder explaining it in simple words with nice spelling :)
oh and pct is still useless and not needed and never needed and a way for people to make money on boards,,
look around youll see many of gh15 bible quoted on daily basis by the massess,,not only that ,,gh15 became so big that actual bodybuilders WRITE THE SAME STYLE NOW DAYS WITH THE COMMAS ,, ,,, ,, look everywhere on professional muscle ,,on vip,,on olm,,on many boards,,do you know what it means when the style of writing of a persona get adopted by the masses,,? it means r e s p e c t ,,YOU GOT TO EARN IT MY FRIEND:)
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it really means stupidity, bro
adopting another guy's writing style is not respect, its lack of personality and individuality
its basically proof that whoever is writing that way is a moron :)
but ur right, u got noobs to more assertive, good thing
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do you know what it means when the style of writing of a persona get adopted by the masses,,? it means r e s p e c t ,,YOU GOT TO EARN IT MY FRIEND:)
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it,,,,really,,,,means,,,,you,,are,,,,,being,,,,,,,,,,mocked,,,,,tool!!!!
How are those G4P sessions going fag? Does it bother you anymore to take a stiff one for your next cycle or shipment? Seriously...tell everyone that info seeing as your an "IFBB pro" ::)
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worm,,do you relaly in your right mind think that gh15 god of hormones can be laughed of anywhere? you have here people who make living off bodybuilding that tell you gh15 words are gold,,im never wrong because this is what i been doing for many years,,gh15 has so many post among the 5000 that is the real deal,,thats why its called the bible,,right now at any given time on every board there is posting by gh15 that been quoted from years back,,even on this board on the steroid section they just posted gh15 posting from 3 years back and praise it ,,you know why? because those postings are trial and error of a real professional,,its not something like i heard friend,,or heard buddy ,,its a pro life of a bodybuilder explaining it in simple words with nice spelling :)
oh and pct is still useless and not needed and never needed and a way for people to make money on boards,,
look around youll see many of gh15 bible quoted on daily basis by the massess,,not only that ,,gh15 became so big that actual bodybuilders WRITE THE SAME STYLE NOW DAYS WITH THE COMMAS ,, ,,, ,, look everywhere on professional muscle ,,on vip,,on olm,,on many boards,,do you know what it means when the style of writing of a persona get adopted by the masses,,? it means r e s p e c t ,,YOU GOT TO EARN IT MY FRIEND:)
gh15 approved
Quote a post. One post with worthwhile content if you're so knowledgeable. You couldn't do it and we all know why.
You type a lot but you're useless.
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chances of you marcos to hold 123 kg on your so so genetics + frame on a single gram of legit test and 4 units of gh
ZERO ::)
A GRAM OF TEST WILL PUT YOU AT 230-2235 AT MOST WITH YOUR GENES AND THE GH WILL AMPLIFY IT'S EFFECT AND WILL CUT ON YOUR BODYFAT
my 2 cents
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Flip flop flip flop. You'd have been laughed off the board if you weren't so desperate to keep crawling back.
Quote one thing you've ever said which was groundbreaking and correct. No chatter. Find a past post and quote it. Go on. Own me. :P
Not everybody is as savvy regarding bodybuilding. For me, gh15 has exposed how much lying goes on in this sport. I use to believe guys like Moody and Faildo were naturals. Not just clean, but true naturals. Also, he exposed how prominent the role of drugs is in this sport. Sure, I knew they all used drugs but didn't know to what extent and what a difference it makes. When I use to train at Gold's Venice in the mid 1990s I always wondered how those guys got so huge and ripped and they didn't seem to train hard at all. I felt I trained harder and with more intensity than a lot of those pros did. I remember doing a drop set on leg extentions and when I got off my legs just collapsed under me. As I got up I looked over and saw Paul Dillet doing a set of leg presses while on his cell phone. I knew genetics had a lot to do with it but I also saw guys who didn't seem like they had much going genetics wise become beasts when they started juicing. And, conversely, shrink to nothingness when they got off even though they kept training. Also, the dangers and junk that is the UG market when the internet age took over and anybody could get anything and anybody could be a "lab."
lastly,,,, and most importantly,,,, i learned how anabolic jamacai food is and when I bang americano whores to make sure i do it very hard and make sure they hurt,,, works every time,,,, they need to know whose boss or they will walk all over you,,,,
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I use to believe guys like Moody and Faildo were naturals. Not just clean, but true naturals.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=222650.0;attach=260802;image)
This lying piece of shit is not clean.
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ok i see this is a "lost war" gh15 thinks what he thinks and thats all, ok i respect.but is not that way me, i wont even try again to argue with him.i gain nothing, he thinks everyone lies, well its his problem.
take care and live bb like u think it is
You yourself stated that you NEVER trained calves in your life. EVER. That statement right there tells everyone what a liar you are. Many have seen you in the gym on a piece of calf equipment. If you would lie about something like that, what else would you lie about? Its no wonder you don't like GH15. You sir are a lying hairy douche mallet.
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=222650.0;attach=260802;image)
This lying piece of shit is not clean.
i was young and naive,,, god of hormones ,,,, showed me the light,,,
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i was young and naive,,, god of hormones ,,,, showed me the light,,,
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=341798.0;attach=375778;image)
Do you see these bikini bitches? They have bodybuilding drugs coursing through their veins.. and that’s the bikini division.
The men?
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_rDNyQdDXib8/SGo5CGBM7hI/AAAAAAAABMY/lKY3euVQZTU/s400/l_8e14cec936657eed9ac92c5cb5d72c39.jpg)
LOL at *natural* bodybuilding.. a bunch of liars. Worthless human beings. These guys who push the natural image for financial gain... tsk tsk.
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1-i believe is not all megadoses (for me) i know loads of guys do, but is not the way for me, maybe i turned pro after 18 years lifting but i proved u can make it, i do have off seaason and normal social life, i hate taking gear but i do because i am in the game and those are the rules,i also check my health allways i do take, before and after taking, i believe that i have good genetics and that helps a lot, and i have trained like crazy and had food to feed a whole familly.
2-iv, never done that and i dont have a clue how u do it,would like to learn about it, just to know, honestly, even i am a pro i learn new things every day.
- i allways relate to arnold,segio,columbu, etc, they had less machinery, less suplements and took 10% of the drugs that today exist, and do u think half of the guys on board wouldnt like to look like they did, how they did it?? of course hard work tons of food, and great genetics.i think it is possible, why not,
hey stop taking steroids and lets see how you look after 3 , then 6 months , and try to just keep lifting -if you can-. You are addicted to steroids, been using them since so long you dont even know how it feels to be off. Please, you re a steroid junkie period, dont try to teach us life lessons.
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gh15 could be just a gimmick.. but he is right about a few things.. the "old timers" did take the basic same amounts as today.. the idea that they did not is silly.. many years ago i talked to greg deferros old training partner and he told me what they took back in the late 70's to mid 80's.. quite a bit of shit.. no hgh or slin.. but the anabolics were about the same..
and yes.. i have always said that most if not all bodybuilders lie about dose.. even to their "trainers".. hell, they dont even tell their wives or girlfriends .. they dont wan the drugs to get the credit for their physiques.. so they understate the dosages.. even say they are natural or clean.. silly..
as for marcos.. great potential.. could be a great pro.. dont care what he takes.. all that matter sis how he looks on stage..
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marcos is greater than GH.. guy can actually use his real name, much respect there.
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i was young and naive,,, god of hormones ,,,, showed me the light,,,
You actually think hes natural? ::) I thought you were smarter than that.
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Good to see you posting again, Backday. I remember you from MGB. Really inspirational bro.
I called out gh15 in the past and received the predictably incoherent, multi paragraph 'i am god of homos' telling off. Then I saw him change his stance over the next few months 180 degrees to very nearly what I said in the first place, most notably regarding PCT. Those who remember the thread will know what I'm talking about. He's just an internet geek who reads juice forums. Total gimmick account of the sad weirdo variety.
Hey Tapeworm , what`s up?I don`t post much now , but I do read the board sometimes.What I do is to train regularly as always ;D
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You actually think hes natural? ::) I thought you were smarter than that.
Actually, I never really followed the bodybuilding culture since I was a teen. The last "show" I paid attention to was back in 1981. After that Mr. O I realized bodybuilding was a farce. So I missed the whole Haney, Dorian and most of the Coleman era. I started paying attention maybe back in 2003-04 when I was at friend's house and watched the Coleman Unbelievable DVD. He was unbelievable. So much had change. I never realized the role drugs play and never really gave it much thought. Faildo claims natural and passes every test. Didn't matter much to me one way or the other. I take a man at his word. What do I know? I wasn't part of that world.
There are still a lot of people like me out there. Many who haven't read the gh15 Bible. I know better now.
Gh15: Educating and saving bodybuilders one thong at a time.
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Hey Tapeworm , what`s up?I don`t post much now , but I do read the board sometimes.What I do is to train regularly as always ;D
Doing better than me then! Hurt my back squatting a little while ago and been pretty slack since (except for work). Got in a full body routine today tho, just light weight, and felt damn good.
Good to know you're out there training hard and looking better than guys half your age! 8)
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There is nothing to know. I can tell you right now there's little to no advantage to doing anything IV.
there is an advantage to taking GH IV.
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there is an advantage to taking GH IV.
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theres really not.. Y units subq/im/iv... going to be nearly identical % of absorbtion and rate of metabolism... IV may allow for a small increase in utilization/effectiveness... but it wont be anything noticeable.. thats what van is getting at.. there are no secrets..
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there is an advantage to taking GH IV.
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theres really not.. Y units subq/im/iv... going to be nearly identical % of absorbtion and rate of metabolism... IV may allow for a small increase in utilization/effectiveness... but it wont be anything noticeable.. thats what van is getting at.. there are no secrets..
Yeah hard to get your precise point across without writing pages upon pages. :D
Doing GH IV might be advantageous, I don't know, but it's still GH. It won't push genetic limits like adding a whole different hormone, like when insulin was introduced into the mix. Same with doing plasma expanders, IV diuretics, what have you. It might be advantageous, but it's not going to introduce leaner, drier bodybuilder across the board. We have already seen the limits of vascularity and dryness through more conventional means. Bodybuilders have pushed dehydration as far as it can be pushed already (and some have died). When GH use became widespread it made bodybuilders bigger and leaner across the board. When insulin use became widespread bodybuilders got bigger across the board.
If this exotic stuff was so great why are bodybuilders looking worse compared to the early-mid 90s?
Who knows what the next "breakthrough" will be, something with the same impact as GH or insulin?
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there is an advantage to taking GH IV.
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LOL, I first thought this was 'noworries' reply. Now I see its' 'no none'. :D
What kind of advantages have you seen? How much more potent is it this way?
I saw Phil Hernon mention IV GH a few times on professionalmuscle.
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If this exotic stuff was so great why are bodybuilders looking worse compared to the early-mid 90s?
Who knows what the next "breakthrough" will be, something with the same impact as GH or insulin?
you're crazy if u think bbrs havnt progressed since mid90's
maybe u have a personal preference as to how they used to look
but i never saw 260- 300lbs ultrashredded and gardenhose vascular physiques back then
i am not including the likes of munzer because they died in their quest
why u r so stubborn to dismiss the fact that bbers will always try to get that extra edge is beyond me
and bbers are constantly looking to improve
nevertheless, i will gather all this info i am talking about and post it here
btw you can give Your formulas too, because you seem to know exactly what is necessary and usefull i am interested
also add what you think is maxing out the vascularity
thank u Van
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infact Van you can give your precise info about what you think one needs to use and do to achieve absolute powerfull bber conditioned physique right here
you can give multiple ways if u know them
i hope u experienced some personal high level bbing before
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you're crazy if u think bbrs havnt progressed since mid90's
On average, bodybuilders of today look like shit compared to the guys of the 90’s.. get real.
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you're crazy if u think bbrs havnt progressed since mid90's
I have to respectfully disagree..I have yet to see the likes of the graduating class of 91' or the level of quality competitors as seen from the 90's.
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some guys like the arnol era better, some guys are into the steve reeves look
im talking bbing science
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you're crazy if u think bbrs havnt progressed since mid90's
maybe u have a personal preference as to how they used to look
but i never saw 260- 300lbs ultrashredded and gardenhose vascular physiques back then
i am not including the likes of munzer because they died in their quest
why u r so stubborn to dismiss the fact that bbers will always try to get that extra edge is beyond me
and bbers are constantly looking to improve
nevertheless, i will gather all this info i am talking about and post it here
btw you can give Your formulas too, because you seem to know exactly what is necessary and usefull i am interested
also add what you think is maxing out the vascularity
thank u Van
You had for example Dorian, Kevin, Nasser, Fux, Dillet... are the guys really bigger today? The technology hasn't advanced IMO. You had 2003 Ronnie looking ridiculous but who today is pushing the limits way over those 90s bodybuilders I mentioned? The bodybuilders today on average look like shit compared to those I mentioned. If they are any bigger they are also more sloppier. But they aren't really more muscular on average.
I'm not dismissing new technology, I just don't see any recent really groundbreaking advancements. Look how IGF-1 failed. Most still prefer GH.
I don't have any formulas. Like i said, I think AAS + insulin + GH is 99% of the game still.
But like I said, I'm interested in hearing the info you gather.
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ok gh15 lets talk, just a question , ok i dont doubt that what u say its maybe true, but why u just cant accept that maybe not everyone does what u say, i mean i own nothing trying to defend my ideas here or discussing with the guys, i know what i do and what paco does, why as i accept what u say cant accept what i say nobody has 100% truth , u know some guys take tons of gear and never progress and also u know some of the guys take allmost nothing look at weights and grow.
a well recognoised pro that has being compiting here in spain and now a top pro, has allmost never dieted and allways looks in shape, goes on a diet for 2 weeks and he is the most ripped guy on stage, sure he takes his vitamins but u cand dennie his superior genetics.
if u know all the things u say and it looks like u do,i think u should be more open minded, dont u think so?
talkimg about me , i am not a top pro at all i just compete because i like to do and i dint go to the limit, i weight 123 kg right now i have been clean for 4 months, and yes clean is clean like u say, notinhg at all, now i started to take some hormones test and bold and i am not over a gram adding the 2 of them and 4 units gh, thats all, now u believe or not, 2 weeks into this and i gained 2 kg , ok, just water but i will go on for 8 or 10 weeks i am sure i will get to 128 easy, coz i know how my body reacts i know what to eat and how to train for my self, why u just cant believe it.
lets talk not disscus about it.
peace
Translated = oh fuck, this GFH15 guy knows his shit....I can't weasel / bullshit / smoke and mirrors this forum.....I'll try a differant tact
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all i can read is a copy paste from one of his posts 4 years ago
atleast marco admitted he doesnt know how iv's are used but even he would like to know
gh15 is a combination of what everyone thinks of him, to some he is a saviour to others nuttin but a tool
since thi sguy has not brought anything new to the table instead just living at his home like old ppl do telling same boring stories over and over again to the kids, ill go for the latter
to guys who wanna know about iv whats in it and how they use it i will post it here in September after i talk to major competitor who used it several times
....and what have you brought to the table you muppet?
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Myostatin inhibitors will cause the next big breakthrough.
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thats why today u have 202 class and open,,they all use or try the same stuff in both classes the end result is the most muscle,conditioning,peaking one could achieve.the difference with 80's or early ninties is a 195/205 lb bber like shawn ray,mike ashley could stand on stage with a haney or gaspari and hold there own.today forget it.
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LOL, I first thought this was 'noworries' reply. Now I see its' 'no none'. :D
What kind of advantages have you seen? How much more potent is it this way?
I saw Phil Hernon mention IV GH a few times on professionalmuscle.
IV allows you to administer it several times a day, without having its pulse affected by your macros. if your eating 6-7 meals a day, its hard to IM it and not affect its pulse somewhere.
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You had for example Dorian, Kevin, Nasser, Fux, Dillet... are the guys really bigger today? The technology hasn't advanced IMO. You had 2003 Ronnie looking ridiculous but who today is pushing the limits way over those 90s bodybuilders I mentioned? The bodybuilders today on average look like shit compared to those I mentioned. If they are any bigger they are also more sloppier. But they aren't really more muscular on average.
I'm not dismissing new technology, I just don't see any recent really groundbreaking advancements. Look how IGF-1 failed. Most still prefer GH.
I don't have any formulas. Like i said, I think AAS + insulin + GH is 99% of the game still.
But like I said, I'm interested in hearing the info you gather.
understand one thing, im not talking about size or how big they are
im talking about the stuff they do in the final stages just before entering shows
i dont believe mike menzer or arnold did the same as levrone did and he didnt do what heath does now
every era has added its own 'tricks' and im interested in knowing the latest of them
this is why, if gh15 is a Top pro, he could have shared info on this matter, real precise info
even though what worked back in the 90's was and is still working i want to compare them with what is really going on today and see where the differences are
u said u know pretty much whats going on so u could type that down in here i will post the protocols i gather too
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understand one thing, im not talking about size or how big they are
im talking about the stuff they do in the final stages just before entering shows
i dont believe mike menzer or arnold did the same as levrone did and he didnt do what heath does now
every era has added its own 'tricks' and im interested in knowing the latest of them
this is why, if gh15 is a Top pro, he could have shared info on this matter, real precise info
even though what worked back in the 90's was and is still working i want to compare them with what is really going on today and see where the differences are
u said u know pretty much whats going on so u could type that down in here i will post the protocols i gather too
Alright, so you want some specific information of new high-tech new protocols to confirm gh15 is a top pro like he says. Fine.
Still, I don't see any improvements in the 'stage polish' if you will, in the last decade. If we take vascularity, I don't see how it's improved. Not that vascularity is very important anyway. I would argue that extreme vascularity takes away from a quality physique.
I don't claim to be in the inner circle of the very top pros, say Olympia top 3, not at all. I'm mostly basing my opinion on what I see on stage. I have had conversations with a few pros, some of whom are fairly close to the very top guys, and I've not heard of these cutting edge new techniques. And even if there were new techniques, I'm just not seeing improvements on stage. Who is shredded and dry like Munzer? Who is grainy, dry and full like Dorian? I don't see anyone. Look at Martinez, looks like a soft water balloon with oily bodyparts (he looks "great" of course, I'm only comparing to the best 10 years earlier). Heath's quality looks pretty great but it's a step down from Levrone IMO. Warren has grainy legs etc but it's not top to bottom conditioning and graininess like Dorian.
If you could post some pics of the guys who have employed these techniques it would be great.
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IV allows you to administer it several times a day, without having its pulse affected by your macros. if your eating 6-7 meals a day, its hard to IM it and not affect its pulse somewhere.
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you're desperate.
i understand.
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Alright, so you want some specific information of new high-tech new protocols to confirm gh15 is a top pro like he says. Fine.
Still, I don't see any improvements in the 'stage polish' if you will, in the last decade. If we take vascularity, I don't see how it's improved. Not that vascularity is very important anyway. I would argue that extreme vascularity takes away from a quality physique.
I don't claim to be in the inner circle of the very top pros, say Olympia top 3, not at all. I'm mostly basing my opinion on what I see on stage. I have had conversations with a few pros, some of whom are fairly close to the very top guys, and I've not heard of these cutting edge new techniques. And even if there were new techniques, I'm just not seeing improvements on stage. Who is shredded and dry like Munzer? Who is grainy, dry and full like Dorian? I don't see anyone. Look at Martinez, looks like a soft water balloon with oily bodyparts (he looks "great" of course, I'm only comparing to the best 10 years earlier). Heath's quality looks pretty great but it's a step down from Levrone IMO. Warren has grainy legs etc but it's not top to bottom conditioning and graininess like Dorian.
If you could post some pics of the guys who have employed these techniques it would be great.
good post van,if they are doing something last minute or some exotic potion i don't see it in the conditioning or its screwing them up last minute.the last few days angdingay of is so thought out nowadays that a guy who's behind in pre judging can come back next night with much improved look,the older guys 90's and back had that part all figured out wks before and cruised in with some tweaking with the basic compounds then .the guys today size is impressive but they lost whatever quality from there amateur days to get bigger not better, not all but some.
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2 different ones,, one for glucose and nutrition,, one for growth,,
usualy used at night during prep,, gh iv into vein,,glucose and nutrients into vein,,not done same time ,,its diff stages of preperation ,,mainly to keep the muscle mass and thickness as max while losing body fat down to 4 % and under,,its not practiced by everyone ,,its practiced by mass monsters and in times include narcotics,,
i do not wish to talk about it because its not something you should do and bodybuilding can exist with out it ,,
the only thing that should matter to you is that at 5'9 5'10 500mg testosterone will put you as 210-220lb ,,750mg will put you at 220-230lb,,1-2 grams will put you at 240-250lb ,,,it will all be high singles to low doubles,,you want mid singles to high singles at 230 240? you add growth hormone,,doesnt have to be done iv work very well im or sq we prefer i.m much more,,
the reason we do iv is because at night there is nothing better than getting the gh into the vein slowly and consistently and that give you ability to utilize the whole 20-30 units some do a day,,at night they use third of them sometimes even half of them via the iv,,
glucose is there due to high insulin injects and you want the glucose and other nutrients such as protien flowing through all night into blood,,
AGAIN ,,THIS IS NOT FOR MAJORITY OF BODYBUILDLERS,,this is NOT I REPEAT NOT THE WAY BODYBUILDING SHOULD GO,,this is written for theory purposes only and not for you to be doing because it wont give you anything at your 220lb 10% body fat,,
soem bodybuilder take enormous doses of insulin and in need of glucose during night time ,,also the protien is hospital grade protien ,,and the growth is growth constant flow of it into blood will keep you able to diet down and grow while reducing body fat to the 3-4% ,,this is not newechincs ,,the crazy among us been doing it now for almost 15 years
gh15 approved post but not recomended
i would like this posting to stay on this thread and nto making new thread out of it ,,i do not belive in this practice in bodybuilding and i dont want new generation to follow it,,
gh15 approved
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2 different ones,, one for glucose and nutrition,, one for growth,,
usualy used at night during prep,, gh iv into vein,,glucose and nutrients into vein,,not done same time ,,its diff stages of preperation ,,mainly to keep the muscle mass and thickness as max while losing body fat down to 4 % and under,,its not practiced by everyone ,,its practiced by mass monsters and in times include narcotics,,
i do not wish to talk about it because its not something you should do and bodybuilding can exist with out it ,,
the only thing that should matter to you is that at 5'9 5'10 500mg testosterone will put you as 210-220lb ,,750mg will put you at 220-230lb,,1-2 grams will put you at 240-250lb ,,,it will all be high singles to low doubles,,you want mid singles to high singles at 230 240? you add growth hormone,,doesnt have to be done iv work very well im or sq we prefer i.m much more,,
the reason we do iv is because at night there is nothing better than getting the gh into the vein slowly and consistently and that give you ability to utilize the whole 20-30 units some do a day,,at night they use third of them sometimes even half of them via the iv,,
glucose is there due to high insulin injects and you want the glucose and other nutrients such as protien flowing through all night into blood,,
AGAIN ,,THIS IS NOT FOR MAJORITY OF BODYBUILDLERS,,this is NOT I REPEAT NOT THE WAY BODYBUILDING SHOULD GO,,this is written for theory purposes only and not for you to be doing because it wont give you anything at your 220lb 10% body fat,,
soem bodybuilder take enormous doses of insulin and in need of glucose during night time ,,also the protien is hospital grade protien ,,and the growth is growth constant flow of it into blood will keep you able to diet down and grow while reducing body fat to the 3-4% ,,this is not newechincs ,,the crazy among us been doing it now for almost 15 years
gh15 approved post but not recomended
i would like this posting to stay on this thread and nto making new thread out of it ,,i do not belive in this practice in bodybuilding and i dont want new generation to follow it,,
gh15 approved
watch the Tiny tits run for cover on this master piece by the one the only Mr. 15 himself.
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GH15. Would you ever consider changing your name to Mr.15 because I believe that you deserve the respect to be called Mr. every time someone post something about you. Will you consider the change?
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Alright, so you want some specific information of new high-tech new protocols to confirm gh15 is a top pro like he says. Fine.
Still, I don't see any improvements in the 'stage polish' if you will, in the last decade. If we take vascularity, I don't see how it's improved. Not that vascularity is very important anyway. I would argue that extreme vascularity takes away from a quality physique.
I don't claim to be in the inner circle of the very top pros, say Olympia top 3, not at all. I'm mostly basing my opinion on what I see on stage. I have had conversations with a few pros, some of whom are fairly close to the very top guys, and I've not heard of these cutting edge new techniques. And even if there were new techniques, I'm just not seeing improvements on stage. Who is shredded and dry like Munzer? Who is grainy, dry and full like Dorian? I don't see anyone. Look at Martinez, looks like a soft water balloon with oily bodyparts (he looks "great" of course, I'm only comparing to the best 10 years earlier). Heath's quality looks pretty great but it's a step down from Levrone IMO. Warren has grainy legs etc but it's not top to bottom conditioning and graininess like Dorian.
If you could post some pics of the guys who have employed these techniques it would be great.
yes thas why we should know what all of these guys you are talking about were infact doing and compare this with today's greatest aka coleman 03 etc
ive read somewhere cutler in 2001 used not only 1 or 2 diuretics but a coctail of 6 different ones, all im saying is people's protocols vary and id like to know as many of them regardless of what works better for an individual and their different response to the drugs
i will get back to you later i hope you will too
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2 different ones,, one for glucose and nutrition,, one for growth,,
usualy used at night during prep,, gh iv into vein,,glucose and nutrients into vein,,not done same time ,,its diff stages of preperation ,,mainly to keep the muscle mass and thickness as max while losing body fat down to 4 % and under,,its not practiced by everyone ,,its practiced by mass monsters and in times include narcotics,,
what is the name of this iv cocktail bag of glucose and protein nutrients?
how do 'make' the gh iv bag, with what iv liquid bag do you mix it and how do you make sure the gh is divided into that liquid so the flow of gh is constant throughout the period ur using it?
this is the first post in 5 years that you tell something new i can only endorse this
good
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lastly, are you saying there is nothing remotely 'new' out there as in final stages that is used today and wasnt used 10-15years ago? it doesnt have to be a big thing i believe its all in the details
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i do not wish to talk about it because its not something you should do and bodybuilding can exist with out it ,,
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AGAIN ,,THIS IS NOT FOR MAJORITY OF BODYBUILDLERS,,this is NOT I REPEAT NOT THE WAY BODYBUILDING SHOULD GO,,this is written for theory purposes only and not for you to be doing because it wont give you anything at your 220lb 10% body fat,,
i would like this posting to stay on this thread and nto making new thread out of it ,,i do not belive in this practice in bodybuilding and i dont want new generation to follow it,,
gh15 approved
at last i agree with u in something
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at last i agree with u in something
i thought u said u wanted to know how it was done as well...
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i thought u said u wanted to know how it was done as well...
i said know not use, knolledge is good, thats all.
how many guys in board take over a gram or more that will never get to national level or win a champiosh, not to say turn pro!!!
so why take all that gear if u can achieve a great body.
i started competing natural i won my first 2 contest natural ,yes only 80 kg as a junior, but natural, then i did my first cicle that was 1 primo 1 deca a week and 2 pills of wins a day i weighted 94 kg in that contest and i won, after that i took a bit more and kept winnig national shows, my last amateur show in spain i won all the best bodybuilders in spain and before that i won nabba mr universe, its all been a process where i supposed i could turn pro and took the risk ,allways by medical control, to use more(less than gh 15 says but thats another story?
the main story is first i think u should develope a natural good psique, if make the move to gear ,make it thinking in where u want to go and where u can get to, for me just taking gear to go to the beach or impress people is stupid, bodybuilding is a war against your own thats the nice thing of our sport,.
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so marcos, what kind of diuretics do you use when and how what name
anything else you do in the final stages?
all about knowledge
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so marcos, what kind of diuretics do you use when and how what name
anything else you do in the final stages?
all about knowledge
aldactone and aldactacine, never cut water or salt. and shit load works for me, maybe i am not the most cut guy oin stage but i can pose and flex with no fear for cramps or get dizzy on stage due to dehidratation,
117 kg big and happy maybe not the most ripped but happy
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very good man, how far away from the contest do you start and what are the dosages
thanks for sharing + benefits
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very good man, how far away from the contest do you start and what are the dosages
thanks for sharing + benefits
i hold tons of water during flights spain-USA, so i fly with aldactone in,start wensday with half, thursday one, friday aldactacine depends how i look one or 2,saturday morning before contest maybe half inj, lasix, and again i never cut water to zero or salt
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i said know not use, knolledge is good, thats all.
how many guys in board take over a gram or more that will never get to national level or win a champiosh, not to say turn pro!!!
so why take all that gear if u can achieve a great body.
i started competing natural i won my first 2 contest natural ,yes only 80 kg as a junior, but natural, then i did my first cicle that was 1 primo 1 deca a week and 2 pills of wins a day i weighted 94 kg in that contest and i won, after that i took a bit more and kept winnig national shows, my last amateur show in spain i won all the best bodybuilders in spain and before that i won nabba mr universe, its all been a process where i supposed i could turn pro and took the risk ,allways by medical control, to use more(less than gh 15 says but thats another story?
the main story is first i think u should develope a natural good psique, if make the move to gear ,make it thinking in where u want to go and where u can get to, for me just taking gear to go to the beach or impress people is stupid, bodybuilding is a war against your own thats the nice thing of our sport,.
I know a guy who takes 2 to 3 grams a week of gear but also makes 200 grand a month in his job as a business owner. As a single man he basically can get laid every night of the week by almost anyone he he wants. Can you Marcus say that you live that same lifestyle? And who gives you right to be able to take more male hormone than a guy who can probably buy and sell you many times over? Go to sleep Marcos, your tired!!! PS. Should Sly Stallone not take hormones because Marcos the competing bodybuilder says so? WHAT A JOKE. Grow up Marcos. More hormones are injected into athlethes and models and wannbe's than retarded half broke bodybuilders like yourself. Now go train calfs for crying out loud. You did say that you never trained them right?
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thanks marcos
is there anything else at all that you will use/eat/do to get that final edge ?
even small things
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I know a guy who takes 2 to 3 grams a week of gear but also makes 200 grand a month in his job as a business owner. As a single man he basically can get laid every night of the week by almost anyone he he wants. Can you Marcus say that you live that same lifestyle? And who gives you right to be able to take more male hormone than a guy who can probably buy and sell you many times over? Go to sleep Marcos, your tired!!! PS. Should Sly Stallone not take hormones because Marcos the competing bodybuilder says so? WHAT A JOKE. Grow up Marcos. More hormones are injected into athlethes and models and wannbe's than retarded half broke bodybuilders like yourself. Now go train calfs for crying out loud. You did say that you never trained them right?
i have my own lifestyle mr snoman,go to sleep? is 10'34 am here hahaha, i said to impress or go to the beach over a gram, of course models and rest of athletes do, i was talking about kids with 18 years and no brain like u.
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i have my own lifestyle mr snoman,go to sleep? is 10'34 am here hahaha, i said to impress or go to the beach over a gram, of course models and rest of athletes do, i was talking about kids with 18 years and no brain like u.
no brain? you still claiming to never have trained your calves before? What a fucking loser. I bet you pose for hours on end to get the water out come show time but you don't know what it feels like to sit on a calf machine? Your a hairy fucking baboon!
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GH15. Would you ever consider changing your name to Mr.15 because I believe that you deserve the respect to be called Mr. every time someone post something about you. Will you consider the change?
I don't think that's necessary as he is also known as the God of Hormones (GOH) though some just refer to him as God for short. I think one of the requirements for him to answer your PMs is that somewhere in the question you refer to him as God. I don't think it's strictly enforce, especially if you have a good question but I remember him mentioning something about that. No need to make a big deal out of it. You can just say something like: "Hey God, I was just wondering about that whole IV bag thing..."
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aldactone and aldactacine, never cut water or salt. and shit load works for me, maybe i am not the most cut guy oin stage but i can pose and flex with no fear for cramps or get dizzy on stage due to dehidratation,
117 kg big and happy maybe not the most ripped but happy
Real bummer about the left inner calf. How long has it been like that? Has it been determine that it's some kind of nerve damage? It really throws everything off. People go through their whole life bouncing up and down on a calf machine using way too much weight but never injure themselves. Here you have someone who is a legit competitive bodybuilder with naturally great calves and this happens.
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Real bummer about the left inner calf. How long has it been like that? Has it been determine that it's some kind of nerve damage? It really throws everything off. People go through their whole life bouncing up and down on a calf machine using way too much weight but never injure themselves. Here you have someone who is a legit competitive bodybuilder with naturally great calves and this happens.
LMFAO!!!
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Real bummer about the left inner calf. How long has it been like that? Has it been determine that it's some kind of nerve damage? It really throws everything off. People go through their whole life bouncing up and down on a calf machine using way too much weight but never injure themselves. Here you have someone who is a legit competitive bodybuilder with naturally great calves and this happens.
started to show 2003 , nothings hurts, no bruist, no nothing just went dissapearing, first left now right, is not neurologic and is not vascular , doctors are going crazy, all my familly have big calves and never touched a weight, calf is a very genetic muscle, i dont care if somebody dont believe i dont train them, so simple as that.
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started to show 2003 , nothings hurts, no bruist, no nothing just went dissapearing, first left now right, is not neurologic and is not vascular , doctors are going crazy, all my familly have big calves and never touched a weight, calf is a very genetic muscle, i dont care if somebody dont believe i dont train them, so simple as that.
Marcos thanks for sharing the info about your cutting water and aldactone dose etc, so even on aldactone you never cut water? i think that is actually a good way to do it, when i used aldactone the first tme i cut water and ended up very flat :(
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started to show 2003 , nothings hurts, no bruist, no nothing just went dissapearing, first left now right, is not neurologic and is not vascular , doctors are going crazy, all my familly have big calves and never touched a weight, calf is a very genetic muscle, i dont care if somebody dont believe i dont train them, so simple as that.
Bodybuilders train every body part regardless of size of muscle. As a sponsor of Athletes, I could never sponsor a man who is supposedly a bodybuilder but does train all the major muscles in his body. No thanks i'll take my millions elsewhere.
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Bodybuilders train every body part regardless of size of muscle. As a sponsor of Athletes, I could never sponsor a man who is supposedly a bodybuilder but does train all the major muscles in his body. No thanks i'll take my millions elsewhere.
thats what they say, back in the days i asked vince taylor and he confesed to ne he never did, also lots of pros with monster calfs said to me they dont if they have to say they do because sponsors or magazines like to make photoshoots its another story
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started to show 2003 , nothings hurts, no bruist, no nothing just went dissapearing, first left now right, is not neurologic and is not vascular , doctors are going crazy, all my familly have big calves and never touched a weight, calf is a very genetic muscle, i dont care if somebody dont believe i dont train them, so simple as that.
That is just insane! I had a friend who had great calves but injured his left calf pushing his car. Even though it healed and he could train it his calf just started disappearing. Calves are a weird muscle. Seems to be like no other. There's a recent picture here of Dennis James and he looks great as always except no calves and I'm sure he's blasted them to death. I wonder if we will ever discover what makes the calf muscle so different.
If you don't train calves maybe you should start hitting that inner head. And to honest, and I know some will blast me for this, but maybe you should use synthol and site injects for that area. Bodybuilding is more than just a hobby for you. You want to go as far as you can. Most everyone on the top uses synthol in one way or another. Even gh15 admitted that. Cutler uses it on his biceps but he just doesn't go crazy so that it looks stupid. If you do it right it might help a lot. That left inner calf is a glaring weak point especially when you diet down like in that pic where everything shows.
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That is just insane! I had a friend who had great calves but injured his left calf pushing his car. Even though it healed and he could train it his calf just started disappearing. Calves are a weird muscle. Seems to be like no other. There's a recent picture here of Dennis James and he looks great as always except no calves and I'm sure he's blasted them to death. I wonder if we will ever discover what makes the calf muscle so different.
If you don't train calves maybe you should start hitting that inner head. And to honest, and I know some will blast me for this, but maybe you should use synthol and site injects for that area. Bodybuilding is more than just a hobby for you. You want to go as far as you can. Most everyone on the top uses synthol in one way or another. Even gh15 admitted that. Cutler uses it on his biceps but he just doesn't go crazy so that it looks stupid. If you do it right it might help a lot. That left inner calf is a glaring weak point especially when you diet down like in that pic where everything shows.
i did start but nothing happens i cant isolate it i cant feel it i cant flex it ,nothing happens, gaspari told me in fibo this year that he has the same problem and he never knew what happened
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Sounds neural, have you done extensive MRIs, if you cant flex it im sure a neurologists could pick it up in a nerve conduction test, the nerve could be damaged a lot higher up the leg, maybe even in your spine especially if both calves are shrinking, sounds like a nerve compression type injury possibly in the lumbar region of your spine, you should get thouroughly examined by a specialist if not already done, the weakness and atrophy will more than likely spread up the leg the longer you are not diagnosed.
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the main story is first i think u should develope a natural good psique, if make the move to gear ,make it thinking in where u want to go and where u can get to, for me just taking gear to go to the beach or impress people is stupid, bodybuilding is a war against your own thats the nice thing of our sport,.
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so you dont juice to go on the beach and impress people ::) you just do it cause you love being "at war" ( ::) ) against yourself... i m actually pretty sure you re "at war" against yourself psychologically speaking, like most retards like you who need to juice to feel better about their shortcomings.
People who go as far as using steroids to develop muscle mass are overcompensating for parts of their life where they suck. Not having an education, not having a good job, not being smart, not having a decently enough sized genital apendice, not being able to have stable relationships with people, not having a fahter - or having a gay one- etc etc..basically not being content with who they are and being unable to change it. So they artificially change themselves by injecting chemicals in their body hoping it will affect their mind, the true piece that's really dysfunctionnal.
Too bad you dont solve psychological issues by lifting weights, nor do you by taking steroids.
All you have in life are fake muscles and you only impress dumb people with a low self esteem, the world of smarter individuals has and will always be closed to people of your kind. But i guess everyone has to survive whatever his strategy of survival is. The only problem with this particuliar strategy is that you get old, and cant do shit about it. And all the muscles in the world wont help. Brains will. Having a good stable situation, having loved ones surounding you. One day nobody will give a fuck about your muscles anymore. You better have something else for backup.
Manual, physical people, vs intelectual people. Nowadays a new breed of individuals is striving, those who take the best of both worlds. They take care of both their body and their mind with balance.
Juiceheads are obsolete, unadapted individuals who will always be laughed at, whatever the amounts of muscle they developp or "tough guys" facial expressions they make. They re unidirectional people who cannot evolve, cannot alterate who they are, they are enslaved by the character they built for themselves more than anything else. They become walking cliches. They just cant take what is good without what is bad. They take the whole thing and end pushing it too far. The more muscular you are, the more people will know you have to overcompensate for one or several shortcomings. This is what smart people see in you, they can read through you like a book. They see something ilogical, not adressed, that caused you to develop abnormal, unhealthy and unbalanced behaviors.
As for smart people with a great physique Cutler and arnold s.come to mind ; they re both smart and good looking -well cutler benefits mostly of the presence of his wife who's managing a big part of his life, but he's smart somehow to be and stay with her you cant deny that- and this doing a lot better than others that are just able to focus on the physical part. Actors taking care of their physique while acting are smart too. They multi dimensional individuals. Not compulsive, narrow minded frustrated individuals.
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so you dont juice to go on the beach and impress people ::) you just do it cause you love being "at war" ( ::) ) against yourself... i m actually pretty sure you re "at war" against yourself psychologically speaking, like most retards like you who need to juice to feel better about their shortcomings.
People who go as far as using steroids to develop muscle mass are overcompensating for parts of their life where they suck. Not having an education, not having a good job, not being smart, not having a decently enough sized genital apendice, not being able to have stable relationships with people, not having a fahter - or having a gay one- etc etc..basically not being content with who they are and being unable to change it. So they artificially change themselves by injecting chemicals in their body hoping it will affect their mind, the true piece that's really dysfunctionnal.
Too bad you dont solve psychological issues by lifting weights, nor do you by taking steroids.
All you have in life are fake muscles and you only impress dumb people with a low self esteem, the world of smarter individuals has and will always be closed to people of your kind. But i guess everyone has to survive whatever his strategy of survival is. The only problem with this particuliar strategy is that you get old, and cant do shit about it. And all the muscles in the world wont help. Brains do. To each his own.
Manual, physical people, vs intelectual people. Nowadays a new breed of individuals is striving, those who take the best of both worlds. They take care of both their body and their mind with balance.
Juiceheads are obsolete, unadapted individuals who will always be laughed at, whatever the amounts of muscle they developp or "tough guys" facial expressions they make.
did you just project out how you feel about yourself ?
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all in all some real good and interesting info in this thread,,props to marcos 2...
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ok gh15 lets talk, just a question , ok i dont doubt that what u say its maybe true, but why u just cant accept that maybe not everyone does what u say, i mean i own nothing trying to defend my ideas here or discussing with the guys, i know what i do and what paco does, why as i accept what u say cant accept what i say nobody has 100% truth , u know some guys take tons of gear and never progress and also u know some of the guys take allmost nothing look at weights and grow.
a well recognoised pro that has being compiting here in spain and now a top pro, has allmost never dieted and allways looks in shape, goes on a diet for 2 weeks and he is the most ripped guy on stage, sure he takes his vitamins but u cand dennie his superior genetics.
if u know all the things u say and it looks like u do,i think u should be more open minded, dont u think so?
talkimg about me , i am not a top pro at all i just compete because i like to do and i dint go to the limit, i weight 123 kg right now i have been clean for 4 months, and yes clean is clean like u say, notinhg at all, now i started to take some hormones test and bold and i am not over a gram adding the 2 of them and 4 units gh, thats all, now u believe or not, 2 weeks into this and i gained 2 kg , ok, just water but i will go on for 8 or 10 weeks i am sure i will get to 128 easy, coz i know how my body reacts i know what to eat and how to train for my self, why u just cant believe it.
lets talk not disscus about it.
peace
You are full of shit.
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started to show 2003 , nothings hurts, no bruist, no nothing just went dissapearing, first left now right, is not neurologic and is not vascular , doctors are going crazy, all my familly have big calves and never touched a weight, calf is a very genetic muscle, i dont care if somebody dont believe i dont train them, so simple as that.
did you notice them getting them smaller from training them, or did the atrophy continue after you stopped training them, or both?
the reason i ask- i know myself and few others who don't train calves just due to the fact they actually get smaller from training them.
weird but true.
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friends,,stop pming gh15 same repetetive questions,,gh15 answer them 1000 times,,there is no need to ask just look in bible presente to you here along the years,, im gonna go out of my way and put here AGAIN for the million time the answers you ask,,
1. jrod is a consistant hormonized bodybuilder with good genetic response to hormones,,yes he is not clean he is a bodybuilder ,,we always on hormones
2. having 240lb gym physiqe full of big musdcle doesnt mean you can look decent on stage for placing high,,75% of bodybuilder dont have what it takes to pull ripped symetric balanced look because the fact they are ALL DRUGS,,those are usually the 240lb fekllas that are 5'8 at 8% that you see in yruo local gym and think they look good because of trenbolona face ,,those are usually the locals who always place 15 out of 15 in national show or qualifier,,they abuse gh and insulin but lack genetic response to those drugs iorder to get to next level,,
3. no ,,dexjax is not done ,,he is right now best bodybuilder in the world with jason
4. yes kai is much better bodybulder heath will ever be because heath is ALL DRUGS,,no structure deserving to be mr o ,,he just do not have the calvicles or chest for this title thats how kai got in the pic,,
5. yes i believe heath is prepared to be mr o on paper btu he lack the foundation ,,thus kai will most likley win it ,,he just has freakiness to him and thickness all around including wide calvicles,,
6. no,, you can nto be 240lb at 8 % at 5'10 with out growth hormone in system
7. yes,, you can compete naturally at 5'9 5'10 but will be 165-170lb on stage at 6 percent
8. thats right ,,supplements do not work unless they are drugs,,the drug supp went off the market a year ago during mr o,, only supp that work is protien powder,,
9.about the alien question and yo uwanted me to respnd to narcsist ,,there is nothing to respond to he is an idiot ,,ofcourse there are other beings in the universe it has multi trillions star systems ,,infact as i said before bob lazar already tod you the truth,,its just that humans tend to be like chiwawas ,,they are very protective of what they dotn wanna know about and their peace of mind,, this is not bb subject but im tired of this question
9. yes ,,danta and the kid tropopin make money off you ,,the only thing they care about is to end the month with enough money for the house rent you wil supply them ,,no serious bodybuilding going on there when it comes t ostage
10, yes 9 out of 10 fellas on bodybuilding board is hormonized,,many abusers too,,and yes the fellas on bodybuildin board are the amatuers and the pros those are the main fellas who like to be on this boards its common sense and easy to understand after few years on board of your choice
11. the reason there is no natural bodybuiuldin is because with the stress of the day and the need of constant nutrition and the abiity to use them effectivly along the day and make sure you stay in top health eventhough life is not easy because yo uhave girlfriend wife family business and many other roblems,,that fact itself prevent natural bodybuilding from existance since the bodybuilder will be back at max of 180-190 lb at 6 percent plus and that 8ni good case at the height of 5'9,,you will see the natural 5'5branch waren competing as a 143 lb fly ,,you want it ? i thought so
12. there is no professional bodybuulkder to eveever win pro card with out being on hormones and for a long time aka few good years,,infact there is no bodybuilder who win amatuer contest with out being on hormones for good amount of time
13. yo uask what i thin kof william grant,,he know his bodybuilding ,,you asked what i think of van and i already told you that million times he is the best information on hormones you will ever find on this board,,and no i dont know neither
14.yes shari kamali is done
15. mishko,,wel mishko was always a crimnal,,doesnt change the fact he was good bodybuilder and top bodybuilder but he is a crimincal i have told you repededly that many bodybuilders are felons,,he is just one fellon among many ,,he get fire because he is not americano the americano of you always keep very low profile and lie right and left ,,we international fellas lie less and very arrogant in our knowledge
gh15 approved
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huh? :-\
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Will muscletech products make me look like jay cutler?
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huh? :-\
If you dont understand that bro you are in the wrong sport
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Good info GH15
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Good info GH15
X2, gh15 always on the money with his posts :)
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GH15 needs to realize that there is such a thing called "NUTRIENT TIMING". Feeding the body the proper nutrients at a precise time in order to reach a state of anabolism. When you can master this, you will be a professional bodybuilder. BUT, many bodybuilders are lazy and don't take the time to listen to their bodies such as GH15
Take for example our very own MUSCLECENTER. MUSCLECENTER goes against every law of nature. As we grow old our bodies die-hormones decrease. SO how does Musclecenter stay in the shape he does as such an older gentleman?---NUTRIENT TIMING AND FRESH FROM THE FEILDS, GINSENG that's how. As long as you know how to feed your body, getting older doesn't mean losing muscle tissue and decreased hormones-NO WAY. So as long as these lazy bodybuilders continue to use illegal and illicit drugs, the people that do the right thing have to suffer.
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How can you say Heath is all drugs?...of course he is...as is Kai.....wtf
Kai has wider clavicles....big deal.....he also has a short torso....that to me is more off-puting than heaths lack of super width....
its a much of a muchness
btw, why is your spelling and grammer getting worse? are their things?
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GH15 needs to realize that there is such a thing called "NUTRIENT TIMING". Feeding the body the proper nutrients at a precise time in order to reach a state of anabolism. When you can master this, you will be a professional bodybuilder. BUT, many bodybuilders are lazy and don't take the time to listen to their bodies such as GH15
Take for example our very own MUSCLECENTER. MUSCLECENTER goes against every law of nature. As we grow old our bodies die-hormones decrease. SO how does Musclecenter stay in the shape he does as such an older gentleman?---NUTRIENT TIMING AND FRESH FROM THE FEILDS, GINSENG that's how. As long as you know how to feed your body, getting older doesn't mean losing muscle tissue and decreased hormones-NO WAY. So as long as these lazy bodybuilders continue to use illegal and illicit drugs, the people that do the right thing have to suffer.
You're not funny, webcke.
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You're not funny, webcke.
Not suppose to be...who is webcake?
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Not suppose to be...who is webcake?
Note that i wrote "webcke", webcke.
Just stop it, you suck at creating gimmicks. Not as much as TA, but you're the second worst here. ;D
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Note that i wrote "webcke", webcke.
Just stop it, you suck at creating gimmicks. Not as much as TA, but you're the second worst here. ;D
How dare you, HOW DARE YOU!
your video game sucks.
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How dare you, HOW DARE YOU!
your video game sucks.
Whatever, but at least i don't need to create gimmicks that someone can see on the first view.
You're trying too hard, webcke, i already told you. Ask Fatpanda, he's a master at gimmicks.
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Whatever, but at least i don't need to create gimmicks that someone can see on the first view.
You're trying too hard, webcke, i already told you. Ask Fatpanda, he's a master at gimmicks.
What gimmick am I trying to pull, Really, have no clue what your talking about. Sorry about saying that about your video game, but I'm trying to eat some Mighty Taco, El Nino burritos, their delicious.
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What gimmick am I trying to pull, Really, have no clue what your talking about. Sorry about saying that about your video game, but I'm trying to eat some Mighty Taco, El Nino burritos, their delicious.
Give it up webcke. You know i hate to destroy your gimmicks, but they fucking suck.
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Have you ever had a Mighty Taco? Remember, All about Nutrient Timing DK!
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Have you ever had a Mighty Taco? Remember, All about Nutrient Timing DK!
Repeating your bullshit doesn't make you funnier, webcke.
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Give it up webcke. You know i hate to destroy your gimmicks, but they fucking suck.
lol, i'm flattered but this ian't my gimmick. Never had any gimmick accounts............well i pretended to be Lee Priest for a while but got timed out after about 5 posts.
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Super Mighty Pack-the best!
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See, He spells it WEBCAKE! The buffito is pretty good also, Burrito that tastes like chicken wings.
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Fallsview is a good man but he is not my gimmick.
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See, He spells it WEBCAKE! The buffito is pretty good also, Burrito that tastes like chicken wings.
Very funny, webcke.
Changing accounts is the lamest thing ever, TA has perfected this move, but he never succeeded.
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Fallsview is a good man but he is not my gimmick.
Thank you Webcake, If you are ever in the WNY/Southern Ontario region, you are always welcomed!
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Sounds like the tpye of guy that eats out the puzzies of hoars
He can do this remotely dawg.