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and Flex Wheeler from Mass Construction, look at the difference
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shawn and kev said they couldnt top him when he was on. that's good enough for me. madeline was something fine in her day. he got caught up in size game like jay trying to deal with ronnie.
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Flex wheeler actually turned ghetto After he started earning money lol.
and lol @ the fake dumbell at the start ;D
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steroids up the asss
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the scene intros are HILLARIOUS lol. so is he helping young people getting into this "sport" these days? ;D
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the woman commentator is littarly having an orgasm watching him lol.
and black men having problem getting striations in legs wtf? lol
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"wzup me homies and homiettes" his ebonics is hillarious lol
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Flex wheeler actually turned ghetto After he started earning money lol.
and lol @ the fake dumbell at the start ;D
Flex has always been "ghetto". What you are seeing is a Flex that is not withdrawn into his alter ego and projecting a arrogant attitude.
And how do you know the weights are fake in the beginning of the first vid? Are you suggesting that the dumbell is too big for him to be handling it like that for reps?
Also, notice as a youngster his bis were larger than his tris.
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Flex has always been "ghetto". What you are seeing is a Flex that is not withdrawn into his alter ego and projecting a arrogant attitude.
And how do you know the weights are fake in the beginning of the first vid? Are you suggesting that the dumbell is too big for him to be handling it like that for reps?
Also, notice as a youngster his bis were larger than his tris.
the way that dumbells moves it looks Very Very fake and Alot lighter then its supposed to look.
its a shame he didnt always act like that though, the friendly version, how does one go from acting nice and friendly, to becoming a cop, to survining a potential deadly and crippling accident, to acting all hostile
the part when Shawn ray enters is fucking hillarious, looks like a very low budget !mtv cribs" or something ;D pure entertaintment lol.
And I wish if that dr.dre story could be vertified ;D
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the way that dumbells moves it looks Very Very fake and Alot lighter then its supposed to look.
its a shame he didnt always act like that though, the friendly version, how does one go from acting nice and friendly, to becoming a cop, to survining a potential deadly and crippling accident, to acting all hostile
Second part first. You go thru all you just listed, plus being molested by females as a young kid and see if you don't have any "mental issues" that you try to mask by becoming a bber. The muscle is a mask and the "Flex" name is a alter ego to "escape" from reality
1st statement. Well, Flex was a "Arm Don", back in the day and he was known to handle big weight with curls. According to his book he even had torn a bicep.
If you lookat the vid and see how he is holding and rubbing his arm, and the stretch he gets when doing that rep, it seems more that he picked a weight for the camera...
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He's a fuckin douche but I'd kill to look like him.
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He's a fuckin douche but I'd kill to look like him.
In theory if your ass could diet down to 180, you could look similar to his "5'11 198", notice I said similar---I've seen dudes that are 5'6-5'8 and 165-170 that looked ripped up and defined and could get almost any female they wanted, barring their criminal record and lack of funds...
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and Flex Wheeler from Mass Construction, look at the difference
Such an outstanding bodybuilder if Yates never came along he would have beaten Haney
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Such an outstanding bodybuilder if Yates never came along he would have beaten Haney
Possibly, Flex got his Pro card in 1992, Kev in 1991, part of Flex driving factor was Levrone and Ray. Yates not being there at all would open it up to possibly Kev beating Haney in 1992, or who knows. Yates actually served a purpose.
The real question is if Flex hadn't gotten into the accident, would his confidence still have been the same, would not have tried to over compensate by getting too big too fast or using synthol?
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Possibly, Flex got his Pro card in 1992, Kev in 1991, part of Flex driving factor was Levrone and Ray. Yates not being there at all would open it up to possibly Kev beating Haney in 1992, or who knows. Yates actually served a purpose.
The real question is if Flex hadn't gotten into the accident, would his confidence still have been the same, would not have tried to over compensate by getting too big too fast or using synthol?
your tearing it up on the flex threads here,,,props.he was a great bber and his size gains to chase yates and then coleman was his only shortcomings to a already great build,he lost that sharpness along the way still tho he had those great leg striations even though he had a softer upperbody as the yrs went on.whatever he shot in his arms and delts it gave him a truly superhero look,he looked "flexed"just in relaxed pose standing there with those thick ass arms and round delts.
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many would argue that never was there are more beautiful male physique then a young kenny wheeler
if you asked most weightlifters what they would aspire to look like personally.............. ...i would bet flex circa 93' would draw the biggest vote
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many would argue that never was there are more beautiful male physique then a young kenny wheeler
if you asked most weightlifters what they would aspire to look like personally.............. ...i would bet flex circa 93' would draw the biggest vote
Seeing Flex in a 1994 Ironman is what got me into bodybuildingyour tearing it up on the flex threads here,,,props.he was a great bber and his size gains to chase yates and then coleman was his only shortcomings to a already great build,he lost that sharpness along the way still tho he had those great leg striations even though he had a softer upperbody as the yrs went
on.whatever he shot in his arms and delts it gave him a truly superhero look,he looked "flexed"just in
relaxed pose standing there with those thick ass arms and round delts.
thanks I agree with what you say.
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Thanks Parker. I've never actually seen the first clip and I've seen just about every pic and video on Flex. Mind you I've seen short versions of that clip of him just posing at the California's. Very cool.
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he looked insane for 198 pounds in that first video. sick genetics. It's no wonder he made a fortune in this sport. He's one of the top 5 ever.
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he looked insane for 198 pounds in that first video. sick genetics. It's no wonder he made a fortune in this sport. He's one of the top 5 ever.
Yup, and Cedric has nothing on Flex
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He's a fuckin douche but I'd kill to look like him.
If it helps, you all look alike to me.
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shawn and kev said they couldnt top him when he was on. that's good enough for me. madeline was something fine in her day. he got caught up in size game like jay trying to deal with ronnie.
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I remember going to the 2000 Ironman in redondo beach. After the show and walking out of the auditorium she was behind me, turning and looking back she one of THE FINEST women i had ever seen, and she has a twin. LAWD!
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the woman commentator is littarly having an orgasm watching him lol.
and black men having problem getting striations in legs wtf? lol
The woman commentating is Cory Everson.
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The woman commentating is Cory Everson.
I remember it was Dunlap that made a comment about his "package"...
Flexb, I haven't seen the clip of him in the gym doing the concentration curl, only a small clip on his Mass Construction vid, but I've seen the part where he is in a green shirt.
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Him @ the 1990 Jr Nats
I believe that this is the 1991 USAs
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Flex had all the tools to win the big show, and every other show he could enter. But his mental game with himself always cost him.
If you have followed his career for any decent length of time, you will see he's a liar, fake, walking contradiction and he's got some serious issues upstairs.
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Yep, you are correct Youngblood
Flex training arms start @ 3:18, now Mesomorph, tell me those arms aren't "hard"
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flex's worst problem as a bodybuilder is he stopped worrying about being the best flex, and started worrying WAY too much about looking like other people.
and its a shame, cause they should have been worrying about lookin like him...but its a tough situaltion.......you finish second, adn look perfect, an dlose toa bigger guy..........and people are telling you you have to gain more weight. i certainly dont blame him.
the point is, he should have jut focused on being flex........not on attaining ronnies or dorians size. not only might he have done better later on, he might just have saved his health
flex;s other problem was he didnt like to diet, and with his structure, at most shows, he could get away with it
oh.........and NINJAS..............NINJ AS also caused problems fro kenny,
:D :D
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1990 junior nats, great physique. Wonder what he weighed there.
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That is BB right there..
Levrone And Kenny the best of the past 30 years in my eyes.
There have been others along the way over those past 3 decades Like Rory , Newman , Benfatto and Paris but Kev and Flex now thats BB to me.
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1990 junior nats, great physique. Wonder what he weighed there.
Probably under or just around 200 pounds.
Un-Sung, I agree. I think his accident had to do with that. He said on his video that he went to the 1994 Mr. Olympia and he didn't think he could hang with those "monsters".
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It's no wonder he made a fortune in this sport. He's one of the top 5 ever.
I would agree that he is in the top 5 of all time. The package he brought to the 1993 Arnold was beyond belief. I respect what he was able to accomplish with his physique... but financially speaking, Flex was incompetent, arrogant and foolish.
I'd guess that Flex made about 2 million over his BBing career, but he spent the money as soon as he got it. Life was grand for a few years... lavish lifestyle, expensive houses and multiple high end cars with every upgrade you can think of, but he didn't have a "plan B". Glory days don't last forever.
No one can take the amount of AAS he was taking (over 10 years with no break) and not ruin their health... and that's exactly what happened to him. I wonder how his finances are today? Probably doesn't have a pot to piss in.
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Someone mention the 1993 Arnold? For some odd reason, this is the only clip available. I wonder why Arnold hasn't released the full 1993 Arnold Classic or has released all of them on DVD?
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In that Mass Construction clip his arms look very "oiled up" - nowhere near the definition or vascularity of Coleman's arms.
I think he really destroyed his physique by using so much oil - a 93 ASC Flex was pure perfection but by 98 he already screwed his body up. To me it was not even close between Coleman and Flex in the 98 Mr. Olympia.
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In that Mass Construction clip his arms look very "oiled up" - nowhere near the definition or vascularity of Coleman's arms.
I think he really destroyed his physique by using so much oil - a 93 ASC Flex was pure perfection but by 98 he already screwed his body up. To me it was not even close between Coleman and Flex in the 98 Mr. Olympia.
In the Mass Construction vid, it was after the 1996 Mr. O, apparently he is very carb up. And his arms looked lik that back in 1995 for the Mr. O as well, so I doubt it's oil. But in the 1997 Arnold his arms were reminisent of the 1993 Flex---he was down to 224 for the 97 Arnold. He never had vascular arms, but their hardness was dependant on his weight---but it was a diff story after 98.
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Flex Wheeler = greatest physique of all time
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flex's worst problem as a bodybuilder is he stopped worrying about being the best flex, and started worrying WAY too much about looking like other people.
and its a shame, cause they should have been worrying about lookin like him...but its a tough situaltion.......you finish second, adn look perfect, an dlose toa bigger guy..........and people are telling you you have to gain more weight. i certainly dont blame him.
the point is, he should have jut focused on being flex........not on attaining ronnies or dorians size. not only might he have done better later on, he might just have saved his health
flex;s other problem was he didnt like to diet, and with his structure, at most shows, he could get away with it
oh.........and NINJAS..............NINJ AS also caused problems fro kenny,
:D :D
Flex's only problem was the judging, which has always been controversial in this sport mind you. When he showed up in 92 in his best shape... it kinda coincided with Dorian Yates' big-as-a-house look. The judging was presented with two different packages and made a pivotal decision in the history of the sport: They went with the DY package. There is very little you can do as a bodybuilder if the judges are looking for SUVs and you're a Ferrari California. I mean, you can follow their advice and ruin your health and bank account.
IMO, at that time, the judges made the worst decision in the history of the sport.
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Flex's only problem was the judging, which has always been controversial in this sport mind you. When he showed up in 92 in his best shape... it kinda coincided with Dorian Yates' big-as-a-house look. The judging was presented with two different packages and made a pivotal decision in the history of the sport: They went with the DY package. There is very little you can do as a bodybuilder if the judges are looking for SUVs and you're a Ferrari California. I mean, you can follow their advice and ruin your health and bank account.
IMO, at that time, the judges made the worst decision in the history of the sport.
100% spot on!
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Flex had one of the best physique's of all time, but I've always liked Shawn Ray better.
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Flex had one of the best physique's of all time, but I've always liked Shawn Ray better.
I liked Shawn as well, but Shawn's legs tended to be too big for his upper body, specifically his arms. Shawn seemed to have to keep his legs in check. In 1993 Olympia, Flex's waist was smaller than Shawn's or Lebrada's.
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I liked Shawn as well, but Shawn's legs tended to be too big for his upper body, specifically his arms. Shawn seemed to have to keep his legs in check. In 1993 Olympia, Flex's waist was smaller than Shawn's or Lebrada's.
levrone also had that problem, as was said, the judges went the direction of yates' physique, otherwise the rookie pro (kevin) wouldve won the o in his debut, instead he came 3rd. same with flex in 93, yes that changed bbing for the worst... :-\
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In that Mass Construction clip his arms look very "oiled up" - nowhere near the definition or vascularity of Coleman's arms.
I think he really destroyed his physique by using so much oil - a 93 ASC Flex was pure perfection but by 98 he already screwed his body up. To me it was not even close between Coleman and Flex in the 98 Mr. Olympia.
flex used oil already in 92/93. only became obvious when his physique deteriorated, and he tried to make it up
kevin also used in his arms, as everyone knows
this is how flex made his tiny joints and full muscle bellies look unreal and unbelievable, through intellegent use of seo's in delts and arms
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I liked Shawn as well, but Shawn's legs tended to be too big for his upper body, specifically his arms. Shawn seemed to have to keep his legs in check. In 1993 Olympia, Flex's waist was smaller than Shawn's or Lebrada's.
Flex's waist was a bit smaller and I think he was great at the 93 Olympia, but I just like Shawn better. I think Shawn was more complete overall, but that is just my opinion.
I don't know were you get his legs were too big for his arms? ??? Shawn's arms were fantastic:
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Flex had one of the best physique's of all time, but I've always liked Shawn Ray better.
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but Shawn Ray was just too short
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Flex had one of the best physique's of all time, but I've always liked Shawn Ray better.
Shawn shouldn't be mentioned in the same breathe as Flex Wheeler , he's NOT in Flex's league
Flex is one of the best bodybuilders of ALL time , Shawn isn't top 20
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Flex's only problem was the judging, which has always been controversial in this sport mind you. When he showed up in 92 in his best shape... it kinda coincided with Dorian Yates' big-as-a-house look. The judging was presented with two different packages and made a pivotal decision in the history of the sport: They went with the DY package. There is very little you can do as a bodybuilder if the judges are looking for SUVs and you're a Ferrari California. I mean, you can follow their advice and ruin your health and bank account.
IMO, at that time, the judges made the worst decision in the history of the sport.
Flex's only problem was Flex , he was his own biggest enemy. and 1992 wasn't his best shape I think you mean 1993 and while the ASC was his best shape he wasn't quite the same at the Olympia that year a victim of the spring contests
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flex used oil already in 92/93. only became obvious when his physique deteriorated, and he tried to make it up
kevin also used in his arms, as everyone knows
this is how flex made his tiny joints and full muscle bellies look unreal and unbelievable, through intellegent use of seo's in delts and arms
you don't know if he was using in 92/93 that's nonsense later in his career sure back then no
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Shawn shouldn't be mentioned in the same breathe as Flex Wheeler , he's NOT in Flex's league
Flex is one of the best bodybuilders of ALL time , Shawn isn't top 20
Disagree 100% Shawn had less weaknesses than Flex. Shawn's only letdown was his height. Shawn and Flex are on the same level.
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Shawn shouldn't be mentioned in the same breathe as Flex Wheeler , he's NOT in Flex's league
Flex is one of the best bodybuilders of ALL time , Shawn isn't top 20
I know Flex is the better bodybuilder. Shawn himself said that when Flex was 100% on, he was the best ever. I just like Shawn Ray better than Flex, as a personal preference.
Shawn isn't top 20? You're crazy. ???
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Disagree 100% Shawn had less weaknesses than Flex. Shawn's only letdown was his height. Shawn and Flex are on the same level.
I don't think so , Flex is 5'10" he has wider clavicles and a better structure , Shawn is lucky if he's 5'7" he's narrow , short legs , long torso , no width , I think you can find less flaws on Flex at his best
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I know Flex is the better bodybuilder. Shawn himself said that when Flex was 100% on, he was the best ever. I just like Shawn Ray better than Flex, as a personal preference.
Shawn isn't top 20? You're crazy. ???
It's cool you like Shawn better but he's not in Flex's league
top 20? best physiques of all time? I think not , good consistent bodybuilder in the upper echelon of all time? NO WAY
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you don't know if he was using in 92/93 that's nonsense later in his career sure back then no
look at the improvements in his delts, arms and the calf implants in the time span of a year
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look at the improvements in his delts, arms and the calf implants in the time span of a year
improvements? I don't see them ??? you look at the difference in his delts & calves at 92 and 99 and it's clear by then he was getting silly but that early I don't think so
I know Shawn was harping about his calves back in 93 so maybe you're right ???
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It's cool you like Shawn better but he's not in Flex's league
top 20? best physiques of all time? I think not , good consistent bodybuilder in the upper echelon of all time? NO WAY
I think he would make a list of top 20 best bodybuilders of all time. I mean after Arnold, Haney, and all the rest of the best Mr Olympias, there would still be about 13 spots left, let's put Flex there too and some other guys as well, soo Shawn would make the list in my opinion.
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Shawn and Flex are comparable at their best. Both should have won Olympia's, as another poster said, the powers that be chose to take the sport in another direction, the wrong one.
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Ya'll are saying Flex's problem was this, or Flex's problem was that. He has one of the biggest overall win streaks in the history of the sport. His only problem was failing to win the Mr. Olympia and getting into a car crash. He won virtually every other show and some more than one time. Flex really didn't have too many problems at all seeing as he was taking home victory after victory during his career.
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1989 California Championships Light heavyweight, 1st
1989 Nationals Light heavyweight, 5th
1990 Junior Nationals Heavyweight, 2nd
1991 Nationals Heavyweight, 2nd
1992 USA Championships Heavyweight & Overall, 1st
1993 Ironman Pro Invitational 1st
1993 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic 1st
1993 Mr. Olympia 2nd
1995 Ironman Pro Invitational 1st
1995 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic 2nd
1995 South Beach Pro 1st
1995 Mr. Olympia 8th
1995 Grand Prix Spain 5th
1996 Ironman Pro Invitational 1st
1996 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic 2nd
1996 Night of Champions 1st
1996 Canada Pro Classic 2nd
1996 Florida Cup Pro 1st
1996 Mr. Olympia 4th
1997 Ironman Pro 1st
1997 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic 1st
1997 San Jose Pro 1st
1998 Ironman Pro Invitational 1st
1998 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic 1st
1998 Mr. Olympia 2nd
1999 Grand Prix England 2nd
1999 Pro World 2nd
1999 Mr. Olympia 2nd
2000 Mr. Olympia 3rd
2000 Hungarian Grand Prix 1st
2000 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic 1st
2000 Ironman Pro Invitational 2nd
2002 Mr. Olympia 7th
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It's cool you like Shawn better but he's not in Flex's league
top 20? best physiques of all time? I think not , good consistent bodybuilder in the upper echelon of all time? NO WAY
I admire them both, but, you probably just like flex better. he won more, but ray was great too, they both turned pro at very tough amateur line-ups
Shawn was a top bber from the time he turned pro at age 22 in '87, apart from '88, never placed below 5th in the mr o in the next 12 appearances, although not as gifted as Flex, you cant say he is not top 20.
took Flex 4 tries to turn pro age 27, I think, and he looked like the pinnacle of bbing for 3 years won 14 shows, which is phenomenal for such a short time - 9yrs as a pro(comparitively speaking, shawn only got 3 wins in 14 yrs), then couldnt get it together again. also bear in mind ray only really did the o and sometimes the euro gp's, wasnt really doing any other shows, much like labrada.
theyre both the same age, and flex had a big impact in a short time, but Ray was a great bber
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I think he would make a list of top 20 best bodybuilders of all time. I mean after Arnold, Haney, and all the rest of the best Mr Olympias, there would still be about 13 spots left, let's put Flex there too and some other guys as well, soo Shawn would make the list in my opinion.
I can think of at least 13 better bodybuilders than Shawn
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I can think of at least 13 better bodybuilders than Shawn
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improvements? I don't see them ??? you look at the difference in his delts & calves at 92 and 99 and it's clear by then he was getting silly but that early I don't think so
I know Shawn was harping about his calves back in 93 so maybe you're right ???
from 91 to 92. 93 he took it another notch while training with glass, really great
I remember flex from 1990, and he looked about the same in 91, but in 92, big, big change! 93 was basically a little bigger, much more polished, great conditioning. 1993 Arnold Classic was unbelievable, if hed brought that exact same package to the olympia, I doubt the judges couldve denied him the mr o!
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I admire them both, but, you probably just like flex better. he won more, but ray was great too, they both turned pro at very tough amateur line-ups
Shawn was a top bber from the time he turned pro at age 22 in '87, apart from '88, never placed below 5th in the mr o in the next 12 appearances, although not as gifted as Flex, you cant say he is not top 20.
took Flex 4 tries to turn pro age 27, I think, and he looked like the pinnacle of bbing for 3 years won 14 shows, which is phenomenal for such a short time - 9yrs as a pro(comparitively speaking, shawn only got 3 wins in 14 yrs), then couldnt get it together again. also bear in mind ray only really did the o and sometimes the euro gp's, wasnt really doing any other shows, much like labrada.
theyre both the same age, and flex had a big impact in a short time, but Ray was a great bber
Shawn only got 2 wins in 14 years he was DQed at the Arnold , Flex won twice that amount in his rookie year easily beating some very seasoned pros , Flex had a huge impact in his first year won 4 pro shows and placed second in his first Olympia and second in GP , he was a winning machine
in terms of impact on the sport Flex wins over Shawn , in terms of pro wins Flex wins , in terms of physiques Flex wins , in terms of being the best bodybuilder to never win the Olympia Flex wins
Shawn is a poor mans Flex , if Flex and Shawn were in the same contest and both were on their game Shawn could never beat Flex very few men could , I don't even think Shawn is in Levrone's league
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that dqed win was a win imo
no-one is denying flex did more in a shorter time and had a better chance of winning the o, I did say that in my posts
my point is shawn is a top 20 of all time.
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that dqed win was a win imo
no-one is denying flex did more in a shorter time and had a better chance of winning the o, I did say that in my posts
my point is shawn is a top 20 of all time.
It wasn't a ' win ' he didn't get paid
I disagree I can think of many better bodybuilders than Shawn not better physique's per sa but when all things are considered
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he got robbed! ;D
maybe Im biased, I liked ray, labrada, gaspari those days
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Yep, you are correct Youngblood
Flex training arms start @ 3:18, now Mesomorph, tell me those arms aren't "hard"
compared to coleman's :-[
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flex used oil already in 92/93. only became obvious when his physique deteriorated, and he tried to make it up
kevin also used in his arms, as everyone knows
this is how flex made his tiny joints and full muscle bellies look unreal and unbelievable, through intellegent use of seo's in delts and arms
Flex used Escilene back then, just like Levrone. Apparently he said Levrone used soo much (delts) that it wiped the supply out. Flex said that he (Flex) would apply it in his delts in a "T" shaped fashion. I suspect that he used it in his calves as well. Flex's delts had striations in them back in 92/93. Apparently Synthol didn't come around til later with Manfred Hoebel's use,
Meso, at that time period, I think both had the same "hardness"
if you look at the vid I posted where he trains arms, part of that vid has him train delts, and you see the seperation and detail in all three heads as he points them out...
His calves, well Shawn said on here that he said thar they were fake to eff Flex's game up, he knew he didn't have implants.
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Flex's only problem was Flex , he was his own biggest enemy. and 1992 wasn't his best shape I think you mean 1993 and while the ASC was his best shape he wasn't quite the same at the Olympia that year a victim of the spring contests
IMO his package on the 92 Nationals was his bestest of all time.
You can tell that physique was one of a kind because, almost 20 years later, his 92 Nationals photo ops are still in circulation nowadays in bodybuilding magazines.
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Shawn only got 2 wins in 14 years he was DQed at the Arnold , Flex won twice that amount in his rookie year easily beating some very seasoned pros , Flex had a huge impact in his first year won 4 pro shows and placed second in his first Olympia and second in GP , he was a winning machine
in terms of impact on the sport Flex wins over Shawn , in terms of pro wins Flex wins , in terms of physiques Flex wins , in terms of being the best bodybuilder to never win the Olympia Flex wins
Shawn is a poor mans Flex , if Flex and Shawn were in the same contest and both were on their game Shawn could never beat Flex very few men could , I don't even think Shawn is in Levrone's league
I don't know if Shawn stole you're lunch money or what. While Flex had the potential to be better than Shawn, Shawn actually lived up and surpassed what was thought of him. This is why he is better. Intangibles...Shawn was more focused, disciplined and was driven more than Flex. Flex has shown himself to be undisciplined, lazy, a fucking liar and not consistent. I can name the times in Flex's 9 year pro career we have seen him at his best...93. Ironman, AC, and O. 98 Arnold, 99 Mr. O. That's it.
Potential and Reality are different. And that's what Flex had the potential to be the best ever.
BTW you can say "if they were both at their best" all day....Problem is Flex wasn't tough enough to consistently show up in his best shape. That's part of the game. Shawn is not a poor man's anything. Their physiques aren't similar. Melvin, is a poor man's Flex and Richard whateverthefuck his last name is, is poorman's Shawn.
Don't care how many shows Flex won...Overall Flex is looked at as a guy who didn't live up to his potential and Shawn exceeded his potential and got screwed on a couple Os against Yates, yes, Yates...Whole other conversation though and I'm not going to go Hulkster on you about this.
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Disagree 100% Shawn had less weaknesses than Flex. Shawn's only letdown was his height. Shawn and Flex are on the same level.
agreed shawn to me >flex
everyone seems to have this arm fetish
flex arms looked bigger because his chest was lacking people never seem to grasp that
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Flex used Escilene back then, just like Levrone. Apparently he said Levrone used soo much (delts) that it wiped the supply out. Flex said that he (Flex) would apply it in his delts in a "T" shaped fashion. I suspect that he used it in his calves as well. Flex's delts had striations in them back in 92/93. Apparently Synthol didn't come around til later with Manfred Hoebel's use,
Meso, at that time period, I think both had the same "hardness"
if you look at the vid I posted where he trains arms, part of that vid has him train delts, and you see the seperation and detail in all three heads as he points them out...
His calves, well Shawn said on here that he said thar they were fake to eff Flex's game up, he knew he didn't have implants.
when I say seo's or oil, I mean any oil, not synthol, my mistake for not clarifying.
btw, even with synthol, properly applied, you can still have striations, like Priest, Ronnie, Darrem, etc
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also seo's are for permanent gains too, stretching the muscle fascia for permanent muscle gains. Not the stupid stuff we see ala Valentino, the clever use like flex and kevin and all the others.
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I don't know if Shawn stole you're lunch money or what. While Flex had the potential to be better than Shawn, Shawn actually lived up and surpassed what was thought of him. This is why he is better. Intangibles...Shawn was more focused, disciplined and was driven more than Flex. Flex has shown himself to be undisciplined, lazy, a fucking liar and not consistent. I can name the times in Flex's 9 year pro career we have seen him at his best...93. Ironman, AC, and O. 98 Arnold, 99 Mr. O. That's it.
Potential and Reality are different. And that's what Flex had the potential to be the best ever.
BTW you can say "if they were both at their best" all day....Problem is Flex wasn't tough enough to consistently show up in his best shape. That's part of the game. Shawn is not a poor man's anything. Their physiques aren't similar. Melvin, is a poor man's Flex and Richard whateverthefuck his last name is, is poorman's Shawn.
Don't care how many shows Flex won...Overall Flex is looked at as a guy who didn't live up to his potential and Shawn exceeded his potential and got screwed on a couple Os against Yates, yes, Yates...Whole other conversation though and I'm not going to go Hulkster on you about this.
I don't know if Shawn stole you're lunch money or what. While Flex had the potential to be better than Shawn, Shawn actually lived up and surpassed what was thought of him. This is why he is better. Intangibles...Shawn was more focused, disciplined and was driven more than Flex. Flex has shown himself to be undisciplined, lazy, a fucking liar and not consistent. I can name the times in Flex's 9 year pro career we have seen him at his best...93. Ironman, AC, and O. 98 Arnold, 99 Mr. O. That's it.
Potential and Reality are different. And that's what Flex had the potential to be the best ever.
Shawn won two pro contests in 14 years and that's surpassing what was thought of him? ??? I'll agree Shawn was more consistent with his physique but that's about it
BTW you can say "if they were both at their best" all day....Problem is Flex wasn't tough enough to consistently show up in his best shape. That's part of the game. Shawn is not a poor man's anything. Their physiques aren't similar. Melvin, is a poor man's Flex and Richard whateverthefuck his last name is, is poorman's Shawn.
The point stands Flex at his best is eons better than Shawn , and I'll take Flex 1993 ( consistent the whole year ) over anything Shawn's ever presented . Shawn is a welfare version of Flex he's not in Flex's league , Flex won more contests in 14 months than Shawn in 14 years Shawn is a second tier bodybuilder compared to Flex's first tier
Don't care how many shows Flex won...Overall Flex is looked at as a guy who didn't live up to his potential and Shawn exceeded his potential and got screwed on a couple Os against Yates, yes, Yates...Whole other conversation though and I'm not going to go Hulkster on you about this.
Oh I beg to differ ...you look at 1993 ASC 1993 Ironaman and Flex realized his potential it just wasn't at the Olympia , I don't think Flex would possibly get any better than these two shows and I think this physique stands the test of time and would likely beat Yates at his best and easily anything Shawn's ever presented
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Shawn won two pro contests in 14 years and that's surpassing what was thought of him? ??? I'll agree Shawn was more consistent with his physique but that's about it
The point stands Flex at his best is eons better than Shawn , and I'll take Flex 1993 ( consistent the whole year ) over anything Shawn's ever presented . Shawn is a welfare version of Flex he's not in Flex's league , Flex won more contests in 14 months than Shawn in 14 years Shawn is a second tier bodybuilder compared to Flex's first tier
Oh I beg to differ ...you look at 1993 ASC 1993 Ironaman and Flex realized his potential it just wasn't at the Olympia , I don't think Flex would possibly get any better than these two shows and I think this physique stands the test of time and would likely beat Yates at his best and easily anything Shawn's ever presented
Shawn was at least 2 time uncrowned Mr O! ;) what ifs count for nothing, unfortunately...
1 thing, as I mentioned, Shawn could've ;), won more, but he concentrated on the mr O, and some euro gp shows...
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Shawn was at least 2 time uncrowned Mr O! ;) what ifs count for nothing, unfortunately...
1 thing, as I mentioned, Shawn could've ;), won more, but he concentrated on the mr O, and some euro gp shows...
hahahahaha ' uncrowned ' Flex is hands down the best guy that never won the Olympia and I deal in what transpired not what could have , should have , etc and if we want to entertain the maybe's Flex if he never got into the accident would have beat Dorian in 1994 , Shawn was good for placing high in contests when Kevin and Shawn weren't competing or were off , a second tier bodybuilder
Flex won more pro contests in 14 months than Shawn in 14 years , Flex's best physique is on another level compared to Shawn at his
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yes ND, Flex won more in in shorter time, fact.
but Flex did a lot of smaller shows while Shawn was a consistent placer at the grand nationals
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(http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff274/leech2004/md/olympia95/1995-mr-olympia-174.jpg)
Honestly Charles in top shape before he played the size game, i would put above both.
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Honestly Charles in top shape before he played the size game, i would put above both.
Clairmonte wasted his time with NABBA shows, he couldve done serious damage in IFBB
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yes ND, Flex won more in in shorter time, fact.
but Flex did a lot of smaller shows while Shawn was a consistent placer at the grand nationals
Flex won the Arnold 4 times that's not a little show won the Ironman 5 times , the Night of the Champions , he won more pro shows than Shawn he's so far ahead of Shawn it's not even funny
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Honestly Charles in top shape before he played the size game, i would put above both.
He actually beat Flex in 1993 ! he was an amazing bodybuilder
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I thought he was a bit too pretty, didn't look powerful
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Flex won the Arnold 4 times that's not a little show won the Ironman 5 times , the Night of the Champions , he won more pro shows than Shawn he's so far ahead of Shawn it's not even funny
And the 96 Arnold could have gone either way between him and Levrone, same for the 95 Arnold as well.
Yeah, Charles beat Flex in 93 as well, but winning your first four Pro shows and then placing 2nd at the Olympia is still unprecedented to this day. Only Phil Heath has won his first 2 pro shows right out of the box. This kinda proves that in today's game, if one wins their pro card, you should be able to jump in and compete with the pros, without taking time off to "grow"...
And Wiggs, I think you are correct,
Melvin Anthony=Poor Man's Flex
Richard Jones=Poor Man's Shawn Ray
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flex had alotta wins and shows but i'd take shawn's 1 show per yr career and consistency. also...shawn seems like one of the guys who retained a lot. i cant say flex's career earnings are greater. anyway...shawn did say both at 100% he didnt have the structure to top flex. would have been nice if shawn had been 69ins or so.
had his own theme song. 8)
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Flex won the Arnold 4 times that's not a little show won the Ironman 5 times , the Night of the Champions , he won more pro shows than Shawn he's so far ahead of Shawn it's not even funny
The ac, im, noc are not little shows. They are smaller than the Olympia though.
Im agreeing with you re Flex having more impact, and being a bigger force in a shorter time, however I disagree with Ray being a low tier bber
A better example, would be to put the 2 head-to-head on the olympia stage where when the 2 competed together, Flex beat Shawn 4 times, and Shawn beat Flex twice. Now, if Shawn beat Flex twice, and head-to-head its 4-2, why does he not even deserve to be mentioned in same sentence as Flex...
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And the 96 Arnold could have gone either way between him and Levrone, same for the 95 Arnold as well.
Yeah, Charles beat Flex in 93 as well, but winning your first four Pro shows and then placing 2nd at the Olympia is still unprecedented to this day. Only Phil Heath has won his first 2 pro shows right out of the box. This kinda proves that in today's game, if one wins their pro card, you should be able to jump in and compete with the pros, without taking time off to "grow"...
And Wiggs, I think you are correct,
Melvin Anthony=Poor Man's Flex
Richard Jones=Poor Man's Shawn Ray
In his rookie year, Levrone came 3rd in chicago, won the NOC, and plced 2nd at the O. Also not bad...
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The ac, im, noc are not little shows. They are smaller than the Olympia though.
Im agreeing with you re Flex having more impact, and being a bigger force in a shorter time, however I disagree with Ray being a low tier bber
A better example, would be to put the 2 head-to-head on the olympia stage where when the 2 competed together, Flex beat Shawn 4 times, and Shawn beat Flex twice. Now, if Shawn beat Flex twice, and head-to-head its 4-2, why does he not even deserve to be mentioned in same sentence as Flex...
Shawn only beat Flex when he was off NOT Shawn's fault but the point remains , Shawn was good to beat these guys when they were off , at their best Flex & Kevin are in another league compared to Shawn
there really is NO comparison between Flex and Shawn , not in terms of wins , impact , physiques , money earned , Shawn a really good bodybuilder just not in Flex's league
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Shawn only beat Flex when he was off NOT Shawn's fault but the point remains , Shawn was good to beat these guys when they were off , at their best Flex & Kevin are in another league compared to Shawn
there really is NO comparison between Flex and Shawn , not in terms of wins , impact , physiques , money earned , Shawn a really good bodybuilder just not in Flex's league
I've said it before numerous times, 1990 should've been Shawns, Labrada was my favorite there, but Shawn was the best on the day. This guy was the best rep for bbing, and while Flex's purse winnings were higher than Ray's, nobody made more money in pro bodybuilding that Shawn Ray, the guy was the epitomy of a pro.
In other words, like Chris Rock said, he didnt go out and get some spinners! he invested wisely.
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Flex weaknesses no calves, shallow front traps lacking chest
soft hams and glutes
shawn weaknesses he was short
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and Flex Wheeler from Mass Construction, look at the difference
look at him now lenda murray miss o dwarfs him in this monthes flex, even weider looks bigger. how come he talks funny in the second video, he seemed pretty articulate in the video at 23 yo.
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Flex weaknesses no calves, shallow front traps lacking chest
soft hams and glutes narrow
shawn weaknesses he was short narrow funky quad structure
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Flex weaknesses no calves, shallow front traps lacking chest
soft hams and glutes
shawn weaknesses he was short
Huge traps make a narrow man even narrower, like an arrow. Odd how his traps were better in 92/93. Yeah he was soft in the glutes---at a higher weight. Same deal with Brian Buchanan, Melvin Anthony, Jojo Ntiforo. Similar genetics.
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I know Flex is the better bodybuilder. Shawn himself said that when Flex was 100% on, he was the best ever. I just like Shawn Ray better than Flex, as a personal preference.
Shawn isn't top 20? You're crazy. ???
its ND, what do you expect?
he is crazy enough to think dorian was better than ronnie, and he is crazy enough to say that Shawn wasn't top 20..
typical ND.. ::)
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The point stands Flex at his best is eons better than Shawn
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disagree here by a mile.
when at their bests, both were very similar:
great lines, great proportions, details, great detailed backs but both narrow.
it would be really close between a 93 Flex and a 94 shawn:
shawn was incredible in 94.
ND always has a thing against him because everyone knows that Shawn should have beaten dorian in 94 and it drives him crazy. its that simple.
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disagree here by a mile.
when at their bests, both were very similar:
great lines, great proportions, details, great detailed backs but both narrow.
it would be really close between a 93 Flex and a 94 shawn:
shawn was incredible in 94.
ND always has a thing against him because everyone knows that Shawn should have beaten dorian in 94 and it drives him crazy. its that simple.
hahahahaha Hulkster trying to hi-jack another thread
Hulkster = fail
LMFAO it would be really close between Flex 93 and Shawn 94 , I can always count on you for retarded statements. ;D
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its ND, what do you expect?
he is crazy enough to think dorian was better than ronnie, and he is crazy enough to say that Shawn wasn't top 20..
typical ND.. ::)
twice you mentioned my name and Dorian ;) I own you can't stick to the topic huh?
how does Shawn beat Flex? he doesn't not in terms of impact he's made on the sport , not in terms of career wins , not in terms of career winnings , not in terms of being the best guy not to win the Olympia , as usual you have nothing and are fishing for anyone to agree with you
Shawn Ray doesn't compare to Flex Wheeler
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Flex weaknesses no calves, shallow front traps lacking chest
soft hams and glutes
shawn weaknesses he was short
Shawn's weaknesses include being short , long torso , short legs , high calves that aren't in proportion with his squared off quads , narrow clavicles , I mean I can continue.
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Shawn's weaknesses include being short , long torso , short legs , high calves that aren't in proportion with his squared off quads , narrow clavicles , I mean I can continue.
sounds more like lee priest minus the calves. do so.
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sounds more like lee priest minus the calves. do so.
true ;D
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He actually beat Flex in 1993 ! he was an amazing bodybuilder
Charles clairmonte didn't beat flex in '93 ???
Shit he did, in England. That was post Olympia I'm assuming
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think it was prior, at one of the small shows. I forgot who placed ahead of him....
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think it was prior, at one of the small shows. I forgot who placed ahead of him....
I thought Flex won 4 straight shows going into the O though, although I may be wrong since I didn't even remember Charles beating him, ever.
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think it was prior, at one of the small shows. I forgot who placed ahead of him....
That was post Olympia Flex was second.
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twice you mentioned my name
of course I did. someone who has as fucked up views as you do is going to get mentioned a lot on this board.
for pure comedic purposes of course..
we all laugh at you.
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of course I did. someone who has as fucked up views as you do is going to get mentioned a lot on this board.
for pure comedic purposes of course..
we all laugh at you.
or course you did because I fucking own you and you're in here trolling and begging for anyone to agree with you and no one cares your pleas are as usual falling on deaf ears
I could post a slew of your ' fucked up ' views but we all know how your pea brain works ;)
I'm still laughing at Flex 1993 and Shawn 94 are very close hehehehehehehe ;D
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I can think of at least 13 better bodybuilders than Shawn
Who?
Shawn is better than many Mr Olympias in my opinion: Zane, Samir, Larry Scott, Columbo and I'll even dare to say Sergio.
Shawn was better than Levrone too in my opinion, really close with Dexter and much better than Labrada, Nasser, Branch, etc.
Shawn in my opinion had to be one of the most complete bodybuilders ever: physique, posing and personality. Other than his height/structure the guy was nearly flawless.
I honestly see Shawn in a top 20 best ever list, I don't know why you can't. Do you have something against Shawn? Was it his comments against Dorian? ;D
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Who?
Shawn is better than many Mr Olympias in my opinion: Zane, Samir, Larry Scott, Columbo and I'll even dare to say Sergio.
Shawn was better than Levrone too in my opinion, really close with Dexter and much better than Labrada, Nasser, Branch, etc.
Shawn in my opinion had to be one of the most complete bodybuilders ever: physique, posing and personality. Other than his height/structure the guy was nearly flawless.
I honestly see Shawn in a top 20 best ever list, I don't know why you can't. Do you have something against Shawn? Was it his comments against Dorian? ;D
His physique may be better than some Mr Olympias doesn't mean he's in the top 20 of all-time more than just a physique
Shawn was NOT complete he has high short calves , he had squared off quads , he had a mediocre structure , narrow clavicles , long torso , short legs , no width he had many issues
and Shawn is not nearly as good as people make him out to be , his record shows this history shows this , he was consistent and a pretty damn good bodybuilder but top 20 sorry , has nothing to do with Yates , Shawn talked smack about everyone not just Yates , he's said shit about Haney , Flex , Ronnie he talks a good game
I would put Levrone , Labrada and even Vince Taylor above Shawn and many others , all the Mr Olympia winners are above him by virtue of winning the most coveted title in the game
Shawn Ray consistent 2 pro wins in 14 years top 20 ::)
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Shawn's weaknesses include being short , long torso , short legs , high calves that aren't in proportion with his squared off quads , narrow clavicles , I mean I can continue.
His height was his only flaw in my eyes. Shawn did not have long torso/short legs flaw for his height. take a look at Priest, Gaspari, Nasser, etc. those are examples of bb's with long torsos/short legs.
High calves were a flaw he had, but they were fully developed and separated, unlike Flex or Ronnie. His quads were great and in great proportion with his hams and upper body.
Narrow clavicles? maybe a little, but not for his height.
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His height was his only flaw in my eyes. Shawn did not have long torso/short legs flaw for his height. take a look at Priest, Gaspari, Nasser, etc. those are examples of bb's with long torsos/short legs.
High calves were a flaw he had, but they were fully developed and separated, unlike Flex or Ronnie. His quads were great and in great proportion with his hams and upper body.
Narrow clavicles? maybe a little, but not for his height.
well contests aren't judged by your eyes , he has many flaws but he looked great in a lot of poses he did very well for himself despite his flaws but to compare him in the same breathe as Flex Wheeler is just stupid
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well contests aren't judged by your eyes , he has many flaws but he looked great in a lot of poses he did very well for himself despite his flaws but to compare him in the same breathe as Flex Wheeler is just stupid
Its true, contests aren't judged by my eyes, I've learned this now. Contest results sometimes were completely opposite of what I thought they should've been, but that is another topic.
Again, I'm not trying to say he was better than Flex, I just liked him better. But to say that he doesn't deserve a top 20 list is not accurate.
I'm pretty sure if someone were to do a poll asking bb fans and "experts" who the 20 best bodybuilders are, Shawn would make the list.
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Personally, I think Levrone at his best looked better than ray and wheeler at their best. Levrone really had no flaws. Uncrowned Mr. O for sure.
(https://ifbbtv.com/video3/images/kevin_levrone.jpg)
(http://www.learn-bodybuilding.com/pro_bodybuilders/kevin_levrone/kevin_levrone11.jpg)
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Its true, contests aren't judged by my eyes, I've learned this now. Contest results sometimes were completely opposite of what I thought they should've been, but that is another topic.
Again, I'm not trying to say he was better than Flex, I just liked him better. But to say that he doesn't deserve a top 20 list is not accurate.
I'm pretty sure if someone were to do a poll asking bb fans and "experts" who the 20 best bodybuilders are, Shawn would make the list.
Oh you mean he's in the top 20 in terms of popularity? hmmmmmmmm he wasn't real popular when he was competing and was know to be a dick to fans and fellow competitors so maybe he wouldn't place even in that type of poll
Shawn top 20 for being consistent but that's not saying much , Lee Labrada has more pro wins was every bit as ' consistent ' never placed below 5th in a pro contest was runner-up at the Olympia twice , I mean he's got Shawn beat everywhere physiques is subjective but I think Lee has em beat and so did the judges every time they faced each other Shawn only beat him once , Labrada would be on that list way before Shawn would
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Huge traps make a narrow man even narrower, like an arrow. Odd how his traps were better in 92/93. Yeah he was soft in the glutes---at a higher weight. Same deal with Brian Buchanan, Melvin Anthony, Jojo Ntiforo. Similar genetics.
not is u have wide shoulders
saying that I prefer sloping looking traps like Coleman guys like culter kamali Nasser wide delts look like a square yuck fle didn't even have the sloping look his taps were just weak relaxed
let's be real if this guy didn't have big arms would u be fighting his corner
bbing has an arm fetish it needs to get over ... Big arms great but you should have the rest of body to match cue Coleman ....
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Personally, I think Levrone at his best looked better than ray and wheeler at their best. Levrone really had no flaws. Uncrowned Mr. O for sure.
(https://ifbbtv.com/video3/images/kevin_levrone.jpg)
(http://www.learn-bodybuilding.com/pro_bodybuilders/kevin_levrone/kevin_levrone11.jpg)
Shawn's not in Kevin's league
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Mr Olympia 1994 14th place ::) ::)
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Shawn's not in Kevin's league
In terms of a complete package, not many pros are in levrones league 8) :D
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Shawn's not in Kevin's league
Why do you think this? As far as complete muscular development, Shawn was better than Levrone in my opinion. Do you think his height hurt him that much?
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Why do you think this? As far as complete muscular development, Shawn was better than Levrone in my opinion. Do you think his height hurt him that much?
His height , his width ( or lack thereof ) his size , in terms of overall physique , in terms of career wins , in terms of a lot of shit
a lot of people have this desire to make Shawn into something he wasn't which was great , two fucking pro wins in 14 years? ??? ??? ??? this isn't great at all , and please save yourself the politics excuse.
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not is u have wide shoulders
saying that I prefer sloping looking traps like Coleman guys like culter kamali Nasser wide delts look like a square yuck fle didn't even have the sloping look his taps were just weak relaxed
let's be real if this guy didn't have big arms would u be fighting his corner
bbing has an arm fetish it needs to get over ... Big arms great but you should have the rest of body to match cue Coleman ....
To me it was Flex's overall flow, the sum of the parts equalled something that just, flowed for lack of better term. Sure I like arms, but I tell you. Had Flex won in 1998, it would have changed the game to where guys would come in lighter and there would be less chasing for freaky size and there would be less of the guts we see today. Once Ronnie won, he was such a freak, that not even Flex could unseat him.
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To me it was Flex's overall flow, the sum of the parts equalled something that just, flowed for lack of better term. Sure I like arms, but I tell you. Had Flex won in 1998, it would have changed the game to where guys would come in lighter and there would be less chasing for freaky size and there would be less of the guts we see today. Once Ronnie won, he was such a freak, that not even Flex could unseat him.
Overall flow is right a total harmony you can't find in Shawn's physique or many others , the shape of his muscles the roundness to the tiny joints that exaggerate the whole effect to deep separation and the sweep of his quads and the truly wasp waist he didn't need to be 240 to look it , he really did look like a work of art
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Shawn was a great bodybuilder and one of the all-time greatest. At their peaks, Flex beats him every time though. Flex also beats Kevin prime for prime.
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His height , his width ( or lack thereof ) his size , in terms of overall physique , in terms of career wins , in terms of a lot of shit
a lot of people have this desire to make Shawn into something he wasn't which was great , two fucking pro wins in 14 years? ??? ??? ??? this isn't great at all , and please save yourself the politics excuse.
His height , his width ( or lack thereof ) his size , in terms of overall physique , in terms of career wins , in terms of a lot of shit
Levrone wasn't wider than Shawn, size wise both at their best was pretty equal and overall physique I think Shawn beats Levrone.
a lot of people have this desire to make Shawn into something he wasn't which was great , two fucking pro wins in 14 years? ??? ??? ??? this isn't great at all , and please save yourself the politics excuse.
Its probably because Shawn is my favorite that I say he was one of the best, but I think he deserves it.
He only won 2 pro contests (Ironman and AC) because he just concentrated in the Olympia after that, not because he lacked potential or couldn't do it.
I used to think he deserved the 94 Olympia over Dorian, but now I understand why Yates won it fair and square. I won't use any politics excuse because there are none now that I understand what the judges looked for, I don't agree with it, but I know.
In the end, 94 Olympia: Shawn had the best physique.
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Mr Olympia 1994 14th place ::) ::)
why isn't thierry more talked about? what were his flaws, i'm left wondering after looking at this vid
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Levrone wasn't wider than Shawn, size wise both at their best was pretty equal and overall physique I think Shawn beats Levrone.
Its probably because Shawn is my favorite that I say he was one of the best, but I think he deserves it.
He only won 2 pro contests (Ironman and AC) because he just concentrated in the Olympia after that, not because he lacked potential or couldn't do it.
I used to think he deserved the 94 Olympia over Dorian, but now I understand why Yates won it fair and square. I won't use any politics excuse because there are none now that I understand what the judges looked for, I don't agree with it, but I know.
In the end, 94 Olympia: Shawn had the best physique.
Levrone wasn't wider than Shawn, size wise both at their best was pretty equal and overall physique I think Shawn beats Levrone.
Leverone wasn't wider than Shawn? are you serious? his back and clavicles are noticeably wider just check the lat spreads NO contest
Size wise? pretty equal? not even in a pound-for-pound point of view 205 vs as high as 255 for Kevin? equal? ??? overall Kevin has everything Shawn does , Shawn doesn't have everything Kevin does if just width alone
Its probably because Shawn is my favorite that I say he was one of the best, but I think he deserves it.
He only won 2 pro contests (Ironman and AC) because he just concentrated in the Olympia after that, not because he lacked potential or couldn't do it.
I used to think he deserved the 94 Olympia over Dorian, but now I understand why Yates won it fair and square. I won't use any politics excuse because there are none now that I understand what the judges looked for, I don't agree with it, but I know.
In the end, 94 Olympia: Shawn had the best physique.
he didn't just concentrate on the Olympia he competed in other contests and didn't fare so well either , two pro shows in 14 years ? and he could win more yet didn't want to?
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To me it was Flex's overall flow, the sum of the parts equalled something that just, flowed for lack of better term. Sure I like arms, but I tell you. Had Flex won in 1998, it would have changed the game to where guys would come in lighter and there would be less chasing for freaky size and there would be less of the guts we see today. Once Ronnie won, he was such a freak, that not even Flex could unseat him.
be real it's the arms.... Cormier has a better balanced phsique than flex but because his chest matches his arms and his arms aren't outsizing his torso he doesn't get the accolade of most symetrical
arm fetish
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fantastic body with great personality one of the best posers i ever seen
unbelievable he didnt win mr olympia
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be real it's the arms.... Cormier has a better balanced phsique than flex but because his chest matches his arms and his arms aren't outsizing his torso he doesn't get the accolade of most symetrical
arm fetish
Cormier had a physique that was well balanced, but there was a reason why he stood in Flex's shadow, Cormier like Ronnie needed to be in the 250+ range to be competitive, and still he looked like he should be 275. I think he should have won more shows, and he I think he should have beaten Flex at the 2000 Arnold.
Flex has a taper that Cormier lacks, plus cross striated legs and a tad more detailed back. Arms both match. chest goes to Cormier. Abs both equal, Lats go to Cormier. Overall flow Flex...it's kinda like how people say BMW has a certain "feel" to it, compared to other cars...
Cormier was one of my favorites as well, highly under rated, even though he won the ironman 5 times. I firmly believe he should have won the Arnold against Jay Cutler, and had he kept growing and stated on course, he would have eclipsed Flex.
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In terms of a complete package, not many pros are in levrones league 8) :D
Careful talking about Kevins package , Earl will be on you like a fly on shit if you are not careful :D
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Careful talking about Kevins package , Earl will be on you like a fly on shit if you are not careful :D
It was large it was small, to quote a phrase, "It was the best of times, it was the worst of times"
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bertil fox at almost same age(24yrs) who is the best?
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I'm still laughing at Flex 1993 and Shawn 94 are very close hehehehehehehe
just keep laughing.
because no one else is:
shawn's physique was amazing and could possibly beat flex. hell, his rear double bi shot is arguably better, thanks to better glutes/hams/calves. flex's were non existant across the board..or filled with oil...
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just keep laughing.
because no one else is:
shawn's physique was amazing and could possibly beat flex. hell, his rear double bi shot is arguably better, thanks to better glutes/hams/calves. flex's were non existant across the board..or filled with oil...
(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1312/536414650_675ca7f6a3_m.jpg)
I think Flex edges Shawn out in the back double bi
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Flex was great for 3 years, Shawn Ray had a 14 yr career where he won 4 shows because he chose to enter the big one.
had he entered the other smaller shows, he would've won much more, instead he looked after his career, retired as gracefully as he came into the sport, and didnt make an embarrassment of himself. A real pro.
made more money winning much less shows than Flex during his careeer, than Flex will make in his life.
definitely top 20 pro bodybuilder
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Flex was great for 3 years, Shawn Ray had a 14 yr career where he won 4 shows because he chose to enter the big one.
had he entered the other smaller shows, he would've won much more, instead he looked after his career, retired as gracefully as he came into the sport, and didnt make an embarrassment of himself. A real pro.
made more money winning much less shows than Flex during his careeer, than Flex will make in his life.
definitely top 20 pro bodybuilder
He did enter a few "smaller" shows, unfortunately, Flex and Kev entered them as well. I think it was a Ironman and Arnold, I remember them, because Flex had the Lambchop Sideburns
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Wow. Absolutely incredible. Too bad he later ruined it with synthol.
Did you notice his weight/height? He was only 198 lbs at 5' 11". Really shows you how much people on this board and pros are lying about their weight.
You can also see he was naturally pretty narrow but made his delts so big that as a pro he looked wide shouldered.
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All Eciline and Synthol!!
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Wow. Absolutely incredible. Too bad he later ruined it with synthol.
Did you notice his weight/height? He was only 198 lbs at 5' 11". Really shows you how much people on this board and pros are lying about their weight.
You can also see he was naturally pretty narrow but made his delts so big that as a pro he looked wide shouldered.
Yeah, at the 1992 USAs he was listed as 5'10 235, but he never was 235, he was about 215 at that contest.
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1997 Mr. Olympia, before the "Ninjas" got him...