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gh15,
What is "trenbolona face" and how do you avoid it
thx!
trenbolona face is a face of every bodybuilder,,its an older lookign face usually 5-10 years older than your real age,,good exaMPLE OF trenbolona face is paco,,the jap,,etc,,its a face that is aged pre maturly and show signs of condition...now when the face look like that its already when you been abusing trenbolona for long long time at high doses,, the face will not look like that when using trenbollna in moderate doses ,,when using trenbolona moderatly you only get the body to look like you want it to ,,the face start changing after major abuse,,that is also when you know if you gonna be a failure like palumbo kovaks etc or a sucess like the jap..
inany case we all abuse the shit out of ths drugs day in day out for months over months
gh15 approved
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how is it that jay has managed to age so well
i would have to think he has taken as much trenbolone as anyone
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All trenbologna sandwiches
LOL
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how is it that jay has managed to age so well
i would have to think he has taken as much trenbolone as anyone
I was just going to say that..
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how is it that jay has managed to age so well
i would have to think he has taken as much trenbolone as anyone
jays mom put trenbolona in his cereal
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Dear God of Hormones
Once again thank you for all the info you give us on the board ;)
What are the pro's and con's of Deca vs Primobolan?
I want to start a new cycle soon with Test and either Deca or Primobolan
Many thanks
serious bodybuilder dont use nandrolone nor primobolan,,he always on equipona,,equipona is the reason with trenbolona for modern competetive bodybuilder 80s 90s 2000s,,even in 70s still not to the abuse level of later on but still
key ingredients in bodybuilder arsenal is EQUIPONA,,more you use better you look,,you use over 1 g ram and you will be top amatuer in no time,,bf down lean muscle up all same time add trenbolona and its multiplied by 2 gh and its multiplying by 4,,all of them together and you have 240 lean bodybuilder at 5'10
key is consistancy and dose,,i cant keep mentioning more than i do ,,key key key is consistancy of the drug intake and dosage,,1000 mg of eq means competetive at high levels,,600 means wow from the people around your town ,,etc etc
gh15 approved
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hey gh...do you suffer from internal organ Rigor mortis?
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hey gh...do you suffer from internal organ Rigor mortis?
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Thanks GH15, ill stick with EQ ;)
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lol...600 = wow from people around your town.
Fuck that test, deca d-bol....if you don;t grow of that, quit...when your done with that, test, tren, eq, Masteron, gh...
Done
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serious bodybuilder dont use nandrolone nor primobolan,,he always on equipona,,equipona is the reason with trenbolona for modern competetive bodybuilder 80s 90s 2000s,,even in 70s still not to the abuse level of later on but still
key ingredients in bodybuilder arsenal is EQUIPONA,,more you use better you look,,you use over 1 g ram and you will be top amatuer in no time,,bf down lean muscle up all same time add trenbolona and its multiplied by 2 gh and its multiplying by 4,,all of them together and you have 240 lean bodybuilder at 5'10
key is consistancy and dose,,i cant keep mentioning more than i do ,,key key key is consistancy of the drug intake and dosage,,1000 mg of eq means competetive at high levels,,600 means wow from the people around your town ,,etc etc
gh15 approved
Thanks for all the great memories, Dennis! :D
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Anyone that says "God of Hormones" again should be shot on site in the fucking head.
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Anyone that says "God of Hormones" again should be shot on site in the fucking head.
God of Hormones ;D
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(http://blogs.smh.com.au/photographers/vietcong.JPG)
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Real BB'ers dont use nandralone huh? Is that across the slate? No real BB'ers use nandro? Whod uh thunk it.
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WAIT A MINUTE.. in previous posts you said to use nandrolone.. ::)
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I've always said the same...regarding equipoise and tren
add some farmak prop, upjohn winstrol and spanish anavar and it's over.
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nandrolone is one of the most used things in offseason today...Real Norma or Schiering Deca amongst pros...
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I've always said the same...regarding equipoise and tren
add some farmak prop, upjohn winstrol and spanish anavar and it's over.
What happens you die?
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What happens you die?
;D
You will look the best you have ever looked without much effort or diet
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how is it that jay has managed to age so well
i would have to think he has taken as much trenbolone as anyone
I think Jay is an exception. In fact, as far as bodybuilders go, he seems exceptional in a lot of ways -- except without the super great genetics. In a sport that attracts and breeds obsessive compulsive and addictive behavior Jay, again as far as bodybuilders go, seems like an exception. He strikes me as smart and down to earth and tries, as much as possible considering his occupation, to balance health and performance. Look at him off season. Does he really look like a multiple times Mr. O. compared to others he shares the stage with? Just big but smooth and husky. Doesn't look freaky like Ronnie use to look off season. Dex, Phil, Banch... all look way more impressive off season. Even Ronnie now always look like a freak in a sleeves shirt of tank with those massive vascular arms. And by off season I don't mean off training and drugs where someone like Melvin looks like Oprah with short hair. I mean, still training and juiced but just not for a show.
I think Jay tries to stay off the real harsh stuff until show time. When he was in Hawaii of course he looked stupid big but even some of the local bodybuilders here that will never be heard from looked more freaky -- just not as big.
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I think Jay is an exception. In fact, as far as bodybuilders go, he seems exceptional in a lot of ways -- except without the super great genetics. In a sport that attracts and breeds obsessive compulsive and addictive behavior Jay, again as far as bodybuilders go, seems like an exception. He strikes me as smart and down to earth and tries, as much as possible considering his occupation, to balance health and performance. Look at him off season. Does he really look like a multiple times Mr. O. compared to others he shares the stage with? Just big but smooth and husky. Doesn't look freaky like Ronnie use to look off season. Dex, Phil, Banch... all look way more impressive off season. Even Ronnie now always look like a freak in a sleeves shirt of tank with those massive vascular arms. And by off season I don't mean off training and drugs where someone like Melvin looks like Oprah with short hair. I mean, still training and juiced but just not for a show.
I think Jay tries to stay off the real harsh stuff until show time. When he was in Hawaii of course he looked stupid big but even some of the local bodybuilders here that will never be heard from looked more freaky -- just not as big.
good post bro,,,,
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1 gram a week of equipose will blow your red cell count out of the water after 10 to 12 weeks, Truth be told Equipose and nandrolone would only be used at this level for a max 24 weeks a year even at the very top of the sport, and that's along with aspirin daily.
Sure you could take more of it but there would be no added athletic advantage in doing so, You would be better off using 400 to 600 per week along with 1 to 2 grams of pharmeceutical grade test 36 weeks per year, and resting 16 weeks per year. basically 12 on 4 off and yes off, don't stress your never off blood values just decline, but enough to assist your body with the long term toxicity issues that can occur with the decade long lifestyle of such use required to push towards ones bodybuilding potential.
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^ Good post.
1 gram of eq would be nothing short of insanity and anyone doing that much is begging for serious health issues that are completely uncalled for...
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^ Good post.
1 gram of eq would be nothing short of insanity and anyone doing that much is begging for serious health issues that are completely uncalled for...
how much would you recommended ?
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how much would you recommended ?
I've allways been pretty conservative with my drug doses and usage, i think that they should only be the "icing" unless you want to turn pro or something. So given that (allmost) no one uses equipoise alone, usually with testosterone at least i'd say 200-400 mg per week and 500 mg being the absolute maximum. But if you doing say 500 mg test per week, 25-50 mg dianabol/anadrol per day then 300 mg per week of eq is more than plenty...
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^ Good post.
1 gram of eq would be nothing short of insanity and anyone doing that much is begging for serious health issues that are completely uncalled for...
WRONG!,,real equipona is what we bodybuilder are always in chase after ,,,ask anyone with good paste its sell like buns out of bakery ,,why? because it grow you LEAN ,,grow you LEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN,, grow your muscle from WI TH IN ,,ofcourse its easy to come to getbig board or other and say oh its insanity this and that becausw you fellas like to keep all equipoise for yourself and not share....common to all lieing scambag bodybuilder,,less you talk ...less masses know...less masses know...more for you
as i said before,, equipoise use for long periods of time as in 6 weeks and over will CHANGE ONES PHYSIQE DRAMATICALLY,,lean mass will increase and what happen wnen lean mass increase? that isi right my friend.....bf% decrease authomatically because....the lean muscle increase...the power of equipona is by the length and dose and quality of paste used,,
trust me,,you know when a bodybuilder use equipona wehter he is shirt on or off,,shirt on he may look big but everyone can be big...shirt off he will look CONDITIONAL BIG,,LEAN SIZE,,tight waist,,lean quality and if used with test FULL MUSCLE,,
neverthe less,,the equipona users are known moment you see them because wether they are bodybuilder or no they always get the quation ,,,do you work out,,do you personal trainer,, do you compete in sport,,why? because they got QUALITY MUSCLE MASS ON! quality muscle is always eye poping ALWAYS
1 gram eq is very typical VERY,,in any case the huge differewnces with eq hapen after week 6 at higher doses of 600-800mg plus,,that is when you see qualitative volume to your physiqe,,that iw hwen you hear are you 250? while you sitting 230...because you are that damn lean and hold much quality even if not competetive bodybuilder
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I think Jay is an exception. In fact, as far as bodybuilders go, he seems exceptional in a lot of ways -- except without the super great genetics. In a sport that attracts and breeds obsessive compulsive and addictive behavior Jay, again as far as bodybuilders go, seems like an exception. He strikes me as smart and down to earth and tries, as much as possible considering his occupation, to balance health and performance. Look at him off season. Does he really look like a multiple times Mr. O. compared to others he shares the stage with? Just big but smooth and husky. Doesn't look freaky like Ronnie use to look off season. Dex, Phil, Banch... all look way more impressive off season. Even Ronnie now always look like a freak in a sleeves shirt of tank with those massive vascular arms. And by off season I don't mean off training and drugs where someone like Melvin looks like Oprah with short hair. I mean, still training and juiced but just not for a show.
I think Jay tries to stay off the real harsh stuff until show time. When he was in Hawaii of course he looked stupid big but even some of the local bodybuilders here that will never be heard from looked more freaky -- just not as big.
That's probably true for the last two years and only to some extent. Still, you see pics of Jay off season look like he's sweating 'slin and Gh. He's smarter than the others that's for sure and he's being much more careful than he has in the past (2003 to 2007 where he looked terribly unhealthi off season). He's still on a shitload of drugs of course. But he doesn't bloat like he used to and that's why he's conditioning at the 'O has been better those past two years than anything past 2001.
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serious bodybuilder dont use nandrolone nor primobolan,,he always on equipona,,equipona is the reason with trenbolona for modern competetive bodybuilder 80s 90s 2000s,,even in 70s still not to the abuse level of later on but still
key ingredients in bodybuilder arsenal is EQUIPONA,,more you use better you look,,you use over 1 g ram and you will be top amatuer in no time,,bf down lean muscle up all same time add trenbolona and its multiplied by 2 gh and its multiplying by 4,,all of them together and you have 240 lean bodybuilder at 5'10
key is consistancy and dose,,i cant keep mentioning more than i do ,,key key key is consistancy of the drug intake and dosage,,1000 mg of eq means competetive at high levels,,600 means wow from the people around your town ,,etc etc
gh15 approved
was equipoise even around in the 70's?
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Best cycle ever was 750mg Test E and 600 mg of equippse and 50mg tren a eod. Instead of just getting big and bloated like on test and dbol I started loosing a little size at first but It was just my body comp changing. I got super lean from the equipose. I looked my best. Only problem my anxiety skyrocketed so did my red blood cell count and my blood pressure. I haven't used equipose since it took a long time to get my blood pressure back to normal. I remeber the doctor taking blood and it cougalated so quick I could of had a stroke easy!
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bump for gh15
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its great to hear other side of the story. gh15 will gets people killed
Best cycle ever was 750mg Test E and 600 mg of equippse and 50mg tren a eod. Instead of just getting big and bloated like on test and dbol I started loosing a little size at first but It was just my body comp changing. I got super lean from the equipose. I looked my best. Only problem my anxiety skyrocketed so did my red blood cell count and my blood pressure. I haven't used equipose since it took a long time to get my blood pressure back to normal. I remeber the doctor taking blood and it cougalated so quick I could of had a stroke easy!
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It's great advice for people who have doctors checking their blood work all the time. I honestly think it could of killed me the doctor said my blood was like sludge running through my veins. Ill stick to a light dose of test and primo from now on. I do It just for fun.
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nothing remotely funny about that pic.
you should be ashamed.
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It's great advice for people who have doctors checking their blood work all the time. I honestly think it could of killed me the doctor said my blood was like sludge running through my veins. Ill stick to a light dose of test and primo from now on. I do It just for fun.
So how do bodybuilders, who are on so much other stuff that raises red blood cells (even testosterone does that), survive? Does taking a blood thinner like aspirin help?
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Bodybuilers take aspirin, blood pressure meds, ect. They also get blood drawn every so often to keep rbc count down.
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Bodybuilers take aspirin, blood pressure meds, ect. They also get blood drawn every so often to keep rbc count down.
I've heard of the first two but never knew any bodybuilders that routinely gave blood.
Hopefully, gh15 will weigh in on this. I do remember gh15 saying that aspirin is commonly used. I remember it was even part of Ronnie's vitamin tray in one of his videos, along with Celebrex.
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I've heard of the first two but never knew any bodybuilders that routinely gave blood.
Hopefully, gh15 will weigh in on this. I do remember gh15 saying that aspirin is commonly used. I remember it was even part of Ronnie's vitamin tray in one of his videos, along with Celebrex.
some bodybuilders suffer from high iron counts which can be deadly. its a condition known as hemochromatosis. giving blood a couple times a year off sets this.
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some bodybuilders suffer from high iron counts which can be deadly. its a condition known as hemochromatosis. giving blood a couple times a year off sets this.
it's ok to give blood when you are on the sauce ?? ???
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it's ok to give blood when you are on the sauce ?? ???
You don't have to tell them, you know.
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You can mark don't use after you give blood.
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some bodybuilders suffer from high iron counts which can be deadly. its a condition known as hemochromatosis. giving blood a couple times a year off sets this.
hahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahaha what a stupid cu-nt you are.
every post you make trying to sound intelligent is funnier than the last.
which bodybuilders suffer from high iron counts ? and what element of bodybuilding caused this ?
you do realise that hemochromatosis is a mostly hereditary disaese, with the prime causes of secondary hemochromatosis is anemia ::)
i've not met many anemic bodybuilders ::)
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hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha what a stupid cu-nt you are.
every post you make trying to sound intelligent is funnier than the last.
which bodybuilders suffer from high iron counts ? and what element of bodybuilding caused this ?
you do realise that hemochromatosis is a mostly hereditary disaese, with the prime causes of secondary hemochromatosis is anemia ::)
i've not met many anemic bodybuilders ::)
ahahahahahaha
you stupid fat fuck.
keep talking about something, once again, you know nothing about.
i know several who have to give blood to offset high ferritin you fucking fat, stupid tool- i am one of them.
omg. you just keep time and again opening your kit-kat eating yob and ramming your foot right in there eh?
congratulations on being consistent- i couldnt imagine how difficult it would be to be that stupid, all the time.
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some bodybuilders suffer from high iron counts which can be deadly. its a condition known as hemochromatosis. giving blood a couple times a year off sets this.
Maybe so, but is it common for bodybuilders to regularly give blood. And what about endurance athletes like Lance Armstrong. They will have a naturally high red blood cell count just from the type of training they do. Add EPO to the mix and I would think it would have far more effect than equiponalona. Are these emaciated athletes have to also give blood regularly? Also, giving blood would seem to defeat the purpose of what you are trying to do. Back in the day before these drugs became common they did blood doping in which they would add their own blood which they had previously drawn and stored.
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Maybe so, but is it common for bodybuilders to regularly give blood. And what about endurance athletes like Lance Armstrong. They will have a naturally high red blood cell count just from the type of training they do. Add EPO to the mix and I would think it would have far more effect than equiponalona. Are these emaciated athletes have to also give blood regularly? Also, giving blood would seem to defeat the purpose of what you are trying to do. Back in the day before these drugs became common they did blood doping in which they would add their own blood which they had previously drawn and stored.
sometimes you don't have much choice. you wouldn't really think it that dangerous but excessive iron can be a very big deal, causing possible organ problems- the liver and the heart for example. take an iron overload, combine it with high ferritin levels and liver enzymes elevated and your looking at hemochromotisis, which isn't due to anabolics usage itself but taking into account the 3 aforementioned factors (iron overload, elevated liver enzymes and high ferritin) and it all kinda looks like the perfect storm.
i guess the unintelligent obese poster, 'fatpanda', who likes to run around the board dispensing advise, who has in fact posted several times in this thread failed to draw the above correlation before making himself look utterly stupid once again.
not entirely surprising.
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hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha what a stupid cu-nt you are.
every post you make trying to sound intelligent is funnier than the last.
which bodybuilders suffer from high iron counts ? and what element of bodybuilding caused this ?
you do realise that hemochromatosis is a mostly hereditary disaese, with the prime causes of secondary hemochromatosis is anemia ::)
i've not met many anemic bodybuilders ::)
You said it, you fat fuck. Its not always hereditary.
BTW, you're fat as fuck. Your training, diet and efforts are abismal and too depressing to follow.
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sometimes you don't have much choice. you wouldn't really think it that dangerous but excessive iron can be a very big deal, causing possible organ problems- the liver and the heart for example. take an iron overload, combine it with high ferritin levels and liver enzymes elevated and your looking at hemochromotisis, which isn't due to anabolics usage itself but taking into account the 3 aforementioned factors (iron overload, elevated liver enzymes and high ferritin) and it all kinda looks like the perfect storm.
i guess the unintelligent obese poster, 'fatpanda', who likes to run around the board dispensing advise, who has in fact posted several times in this thread failed to draw the above correlation before making himself look utterly stupid once again.
not entirely surprising.
But aren't we talking about red blood cells, hemocrit levels, and not iron levels. I think there's probably a correlation but not a causation. At one point, after a blood test, it showed that my iron levels were on the low side although I had a high hemocrit level. It was over 50. Like around 53 or so.
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Just so you guys understand, a higher red blood cell count keeps volume in your muscle and looking pumped 24 hours a day..
that given I've never used more then 600mg of eq, ever..
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Just so you guys understand, a higher red blood cell count keeps volume in your muscle and looking pumped 24 hours a day..
that given I've never used more then 600mg of eq, ever..
True, also it helps to deliver more oxygen to your muscles, but when it's too high for too long it will became a serious risk. Smart lifters have regular blood work done to avoid problems that are easily avoidable without going off the sauce.
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ahahahahahaha
you stupid fat fuck.
keep talking about something, once again, you know nothing about.
i know several who have to give blood to offset high ferritin you fucking fat, stupid tool- i am one of them.
omg. you just keep time and again opening your kit-kat eating yob and ramming your foot right in there eh?
congratulations on being consistent- i couldnt imagine how difficult it would be to be that stupid, all the time.
hahahahaha bullshit
name these bodybuilders you know ::)
and again explain what element of bodybuilding causes high iron counts ?
high ferratin can be caused by lots of diseases or conditions i.e. liver disease, thyroid disease, alcoholism, diabetes, and chronic inflammation, not only hemochromatosis ::)
so you are claiming either you have hemochromatosis via hereditary means or you caught it because you suffer from anemia ?
or simply have high ferratin levels.
which is it ?
try to answer my questions now and prove you have a brain.
do not run away like a coward again, like you did on the insulin IM thread ::)
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But aren't we talking about red blood cells, hemocrit levels, and not iron levels. I think there's probably a correlation but not a causation. At one point, after a blood test, it showed that my iron levels were on the low side although I had a high hemocrit level. It was over 50. Like around 53 or so.
the guy is a lying clown.
he tries to look smart by talking shit about things he has no clue about - which i love as i make sure i highlight his ignorance and lies with every further post.
he also knows I'm about to own him into oblivion here too, but he'll probably not answer my questions as he knows what's coming.
he'll resort to his usual 'fat asshole' etc etc post a few pics then run away like he always does.
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When it involves anything but bodybuilding I'm all for the studies. But bodybuilders are the pioneers or drug abuse. No use trying to compare shit on paper with the real world until there are decades worth of studies anyway, they're all wrong or use poor, useless controls and BS that don't make sense in real life anyway.
Fatfuckerpanda's meltdowns are pitiful and useless. His efforts should be exhausted on getting in shape rather than winning arguments with internet entities that respect a polished turd more than him. I'm sure that's one thing we'd all agree on.
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the guy is a lying clown.
he tries to look smart by talking shit about things he has no clue about - which i love as i make sure i highlight his ignorance and lies with every further post.
he also knows I'm about to own him into oblivion here too, but he'll probably not answer my questions as he knows what's coming.
he'll resort to his usual 'fat asshole' etc etc post a few pics then run away like he always does.
(http://www.sewellinternet.com/graphics/fist-pump.jpg)
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the guy is a lying clown.
he tries to look smart by talking shit about things he has no clue about - which i love as i make sure i highlight his ignorance and lies with every further post.
he also knows I'm about to own him into oblivion here too, but he'll probably not answer my questions as he knows what's coming.
he'll resort to his usual 'fat asshole' etc etc post a few pics then run away like he always does.
shut up you fat asshole.
ahahahahahahahahahahahah a
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the guy is a lying clown.
he tries to look smart by talking shit about things he has no clue about - which i love as i make sure i highlight his ignorance and lies with every further post.
he also knows I'm about to own him into oblivion here too, but he'll probably not answer my questions as he knows what's coming.
he'll resort to his usual 'fat asshole' etc etc post a few pics then run away like he always does.
btw the only thing you 'own' is an insatiable appetite.
you are a fucking tool and a loser who really doesnt know when to just give up, just like in the aforementioned thread where you make a mockery of yourself as per usual.
for those interested- here's the link. hypoglycemia causing shortness of breath- oh brother- ahahahahahaha.
lets not forget your 'intra muscular insulin injections' causing localised growth. omg ahahahahahahahaa
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=349752.0
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equipoise isnt going to cause dangerously high levels of red blood cells in anyone, regardless of doseage.
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Okay then run a gram of it everyweek for 30 weeks and get blood work. It take 12-16 weeks to really start to start seeing results. I bet your rbc count would be off the charts. My blood pressure shot up to 140-150/90. That's not scary high but it was at rest. Off cycle my blood pressure is perfect.
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all steroids increase red blood cell production. equipoise is not special in that regard. it does seem to increase it a little bit more so than other steroids do, but nothing dramatically different. the human body is very efficient at maintaining healthy levels of the consitiuints of the body, and there are several feedback loops that prevent red blood cell count from reaching dangerous levels. the only way to bypass these feedback lops and cause dangerous RBC levels is by direct administartion of EPO or blood doping
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Equipose was never met for people to take. It's for animals. So you are telling me I wasn't at risk with a blood pressure that high. The increase was caused by the thickening of my blood. I have run many compounds and nothing had the effect that equipose did.
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Pretty sure EQ was developed for Race horses , one of the functions was to increase RBC to enhance recovery from injuries etc to get them up and "running" in the shortest time possible. ??? what is the dose for a 1000 pound thoroghbred versus a 200 - 250 pound bodybuilder ;D
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I hear this all the time and it needs to be addressed.....Deca or Nandralone and Equipoise are not the same thing...They should not be subbed for one another they are different compounds period...You could have cycle that had Test, deca and equipoise and taking the last two compounds wouldn't be redundant.
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I wish I didn't feel like shit on it because It was one of the best lean muscle builders I have used. When gh15 saygs your muscles grow from the inside he's not kidding. Other compounds get me bloated and thicker but I haven't been able to find anything to mimic the effects of equipose. Tren worked well but that makes you feel bi polar and shitty if you get the sides.
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Pretty sure EQ was developed for Race horses , one of the functions was to increase RBC to enhance recovery from injuries etc to get them up and "running" in the shortest time possible. ??? what is the dose for a 1000 pound thoroghbred versus a 200 - 250 pound bodybuilder ;D
http://www.troylab.com.au/products.php?tid=1&iid=27&pid=144 ;D
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tren = cows
equipoise = horses
winstrol = dogs and cats
haha
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I would imagine high doses of legit primo like a gram a week would be outstanding with similar effects to equipose without the anxiety and other sides. Who has the money for that though.
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http://www.troylab.com.au/products.php?tid=1&iid=27&pid=144 ;D
lmao so 200mg every 4-8 weeks in horses and bb are taking 400 - 1000mg a week lol up the dose brah ;D
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all steroids increase red blood cell production. equipoise is not special in that regard. it does seem to increase it a little bit more so than other steroids do, but nothing dramatically different. the human body is very efficient at maintaining healthy levels of the consitiuints of the body, and there are several feedback loops that prevent red blood cell count from reaching dangerous levels. the only way to bypass these feedback lops and cause dangerous RBC levels is by direct administartion of EPO or blood doping
You are wrong, that's exactly what is so special about EQ, why it was designed for Equidae (horses) it dramatically increases the red blood cell count more then any other steroid, the only other steroid that is close is anadrol-50 which was and is still used on people who have anemia which is a decrease of red blood cells.
Go back to the library kid.
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btw the only thing you 'own' is an insatiable appetite.
you are a fucking tool and a loser who really doesnt know when to just give up, just like in the aforementioned thread where you make a mockery of yourself as per usual.
for those interested- here's the link. hypoglycemia causing shortness of breath- oh brother- ahahahahahaha.
lets not forget your 'intra muscular insulin injections' causing localised growth. omg ahahahahahahahaa
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=349752.0
yes you were owned in both those threads and you have owned yourself here. ;D i love it.
you made the claim many bodybuilders suffer from high iron counts yet you cannot name any ;D
i have asked you which element of bodybuilding caused hemochromatosis , you cannot tell me ;D
i have asked you to clarify how you got high ferratin levels ( if you are even telling the truth ) , you will not tell me ;D
guess what big man - you have been owned again ;D
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I hear this all the time and it needs to be addressed.....Deca or Nandralone and Equipoise are not the same thing...They should not be subbed for one another they are different compounds period...You could have cycle that had Test, deca and equipoise and taking the last two compounds wouldn't be redundant.
your absolutely right about eq being different than deca. but taking any two steroids is redundant. steroids all work the same. no point in "stacking"........ 1+1 does not equal anything but 2.
You are wrong, that's exactly what is so special about EQ, why it was designed for Equidae (horses) it dramatically increases the red blood cell count more then any other steroid, the only other steroid that is close is anadrol-50 which was and is still used on people who have anemia which is a decrease of red blood cells.
Go back to the library kid.
youve just repeated the basic info from every "steroid profile" on the net.. the fact is that every steroid increases rbc, and eq only mildy better at it than others.. and there is a feedback loop preventing dangerous levels
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your absolutely right about eq being different than deca. but taking any two steroids is redundant. steroids all work the same. no point in "stacking"........ 1+1 does not equal anything but 2.
youve just repeated the basic info from every "steroid profile" on the net.. the fact is that every steroid increases rbc, and eq only mildy better at it than others.. and there is a feedback loop preventing dangerous levels
Sigh, in regards to EQ it's something I've witnessed on my own body and friends, learned more through experience then research but whatever, I never stated EQ raises RBC to dangerous levels btw. Epo will but not EQ
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now now taylor, acording to no one bodybuilders can catch hemochromatosis from too much eq.
he knows this for a fact because he 'knows' people including himself that has caught it ::)
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your absolutely right about eq being different than deca. but taking any two steroids is redundant. steroids all work the same. no point in "stacking"........ 1+1 does not equal anything but 2.
You've got to be kidding!!!!? So dianabol and tren work the same and will have the same effect on you body?
I've always considered you somewhat knowledgeable about steroids but this is an asinine statement. There's not a successful bodybuilder alive that just uses one steroid while prepping for a show.
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now now taylor, acording to no one bodybuilders can catch hemochromatosis from too much eq.
he knows this for a fact because he 'knows' people including himself that has caught it ::)
ahahahaha heres comes chunky!
listen pickle tits, lemme break it down for you simple like cause your not getting the jist of things it seems- you dont have a clue what you are talking about, about anything you pretty much try to give advise on which you have so aptly proven time and again- case in point- phil heath's growth due to 'intra muscular insulin injections', and 'hypoglycemia causing shortness of breath'. lolz
im even going to ignore your first sentence only because it so wonderfully demonstrates how much of an imbecile you are- it's much better than any degrading comment i could ever make regarding your 'knowledge'.
one thing is certain, you do have a knack for consistently making a mockery of yourself.
nice work, stupid.
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ahahahaha heres comes chunky!
listen pickle tits, lemme break it down for you simple like cause your not getting the jist of things it seems- you dont have a clue what you are talking about, about anything you pretty much try to give advise on which you have so aptly proven time and again- case in point- phil heath's growth due to 'intra muscular insulin injections', and 'hypoglycemia causing shortness of breath'. lolz
im even going to ignore your first sentence only because it so wonderfully demonstrates how much of an imbecile you are- it's much better than any degrading comment i could ever make regarding your 'knowledge'.
one thing is certain, you do have a knack for consistently making a mockery of yourself.
nice work, stupid.
just as i predicted earlier you are still trying to avoid/evade my questions. ::)
do you really think no one will notice your cowardice ?
you can try to hide your stupidity all you want, but everyone who reads your posts knows you are a liar and an idiot.
those who don't will be advised in due course.
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equipoise isnt going to cause dangerously high levels of red blood cells in anyone, regardless of doseage.
you are so wrong, it's not even funny. My crit was out of control on a 4 month EQ run at 600 mgs a week. Blood was like pudding. I still love the compound, though, I just have to run it at lower doses.
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Just so you guys understand, a higher red blood cell count keeps volume in your muscle and looking pumped 24 hours a day..
that given I've never used more then 600mg of eq, ever..
i blasted eq at 1200mg one time for almost 14 weeks, then took it down to 800mg...
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You've got to be kidding!!!!? So dianabol and tren work the same and will have the same effect on you body?
I've always considered you somewhat knowledgeable about steroids but this is an asinine statement. There's not a successful bodybuilder alive that just uses one steroid while prepping for a show.
Agreed. Take two clones; same diet, training, genetic response, everything......give one 1g test EW and another 750mg test & 250mg tren - see who gains more....
As far as Eq goes, highest I have gone is 600mg EW, great results at around the 5-6 week point; crazy vascularity, fullness and huge appetite. This was stacked with 1g of test E. One of the best cycles I have done.
I am looking to start a test, para and eq cycle (going to make a test mega mix bottle with sust, enanth, cyp, heptylate and acetate)......should be fun :D
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i blasted eq at 1200mg one time for almost 14 weeks, then took it down to 800mg...
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But you are not human Bench ;D
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You've got to be kidding!!!!? So dianabol and tren work the same and will have the same effect on you body?
I've always considered you somewhat knowledgeable about steroids but this is an asinine statement. There's not a successful bodybuilder alive that just uses one steroid while prepping for a show.
bro...tbombz is to AAS, as fatpanda is to diet, and working out....they spend to much time looking at shit, and over analyzing...
But you are not human Bench ;D
negative....i just didnt give a shit ;D
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i blasted eq at 1200mg one time for almost 14 weeks, then took it down to 800mg...
bench
You notice much difference above the g as opposed to below it?
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You notice much difference above the g as opposed to below it?
not really.....i find it works best at 600-800......
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just as i predicted earlier you are still trying to avoid/evade my questions. ::)
do you really think no one will notice your cowardice ?
you can try to hide your stupidity all you want, but everyone who reads your posts knows you are a liar and an idiot.
those who don't will be advised in due course.
you= stupid.
please regale us with more of your knowledge.
i can't lie and say i'm not enjoying this!
ahahahahahahahaha
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM
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Is that REALLY fat pandas pic?! LOL come on...
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Is that REALLY fat pandas pic?! LOL come on...
Yeah brutal aint it......
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You've got to be kidding!!!!? So dianabol and tren work the same and will have the same effect on you body?
I've always considered you somewhat knowledgeable about steroids but this is an asinine statement. There's not a successful bodybuilder alive that just uses one steroid while prepping for a show.
LOL, tbombz is talking out of his ass all the time.
All that he says is either absolute basic knowledge or total bullshit. I have yet to see a smart, innovative thought from him.
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bro...tbombz is to AAS, as fatpanda is to diet, and working out....they spend to much time looking at shit, and over analyzing...
Yes.
Is that REALLY fat pandas pic?! LOL come on...
Amazing that the guy used to give diet or training advice.... :o :o :o :o
Have a look at his log on the training board, he does 5 minutes cardio (15mins including warm-up and cool-down...) and does extremely intense killer workouts like this:
8x45kg - db deadlift
8x45kg - db shrug
7x45kg - flat db press
8x45kg - one arm db row
7x45kg - incline db press
::) ::)
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i blasted eq at 1200mg one time for almost 14 weeks, then took it down to 800mg...
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I had perfect results at 600mg with a little bit of prop and anavar... never went over 1000mg of test a week, never had to..I always grew like a weed, plus I would hold water which the chics didn't dig..
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Sigh, in regards to EQ it's something I've witnessed on my own body and friends, learned more through experience then research but whatever, I never stated EQ raises RBC to dangerous levels btw. Epo will but not EQ
well we are in agreeance then.
You've got to be kidding!!!!? So dianabol and tren work the same and will have the same effect on you body?
I've always considered you somewhat knowledgeable about steroids but this is an asinine statement. There's not a successful bodybuilder alive that just uses one steroid while prepping for a show.
dbol has a little more water retention due to aromitization and tren is a little better at leaning you out due to its inability to aromatize. thats the only difference, really. and yes, their effects on the body are the same. androgen receptors have a specific purpose and effect that doesnt change to any noticeable degree depending on what type of androgen activates it. its always an androgen receptor and it always signals the same groups of genes/growth factors/whatever. stacking is pointless for the most part, with small exceptions (winstrol and deca work nicely to counter act eachother, test works well with tren because it adds in the estrogen component).
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LOL, tbombz is talking out of his ass all the time.
All that he says is either absolute basic knowledge or total bullshit. I have yet to see a smart, innovative thought from him.
Well, truth be told, when I said he "seemed" knowledgeable I said it in the sense that he seems to always have a lot to say on hormones and their effects and has spent a lot of time on the net reading and researching the subject. I have to admit that I haven't really followed his writings closely and don't recall off the top of my head reading word for word his thoughts on the subject matter.
Nonetheless, his stating that stacking is for the most part pointless pretty much invalidates his credibility. And given his simplistic reasoning it seems pointless to argue. Sometimes an intellectual chasm is unbridgeable simply because one has a completely different world view than you do. They simply perceive things differently. It's like trying to argue with a member of the Flat Earth Society. No matter what you say and what evidence is offered it is simply rejected. You might as well say that it is pointless to do different exercises for the bicep as all it does contract and respond to progressive overload and it doesn't matter if it's a barbell curl, dumbbell curl, cable curl, Cybex curl on an incline..... it's all pretty much the same and one can achieve their full genetic potential by just doing just one single movement.
I guess everything single successful modern day bodybuilder has been pointlessly stacking compounds when Dorian, Ronnie and Jay would have still achieve their level they had by just Deca or Primo alone.
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just as i predicted earlier you are still trying to avoid/evade my questions. ::)
do you really think no one will notice your cowardice ?
you can try to hide your stupidity all you want, but everyone who reads your posts knows you are a liar and an idiot.
those who don't will be advised in due course.
just stfu you look like shit, you shouldnt really be on this board. Youre not only a walking heartattack obese turd but seems youre a schmoe too. ::) :-\ :-X
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bro...tbombz is to AAS, as fatpanda is to diet, and working out....they spend to much time looking at shit, and over analyzing...
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thank you. ;D
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i overanalyze gear..lmao.. i havent been using anything but testosterone and testosterone only for the majority of the 2 and a half years ive been using gear.... and thats because i have tried everything in every doseage :-X and nothing works like magic, steroids all work about the same, and there is no real benefit of mega dosing, just take a good dose of a steroid, test is a greta choice cause its the natural hormone in yoru body, and stay on.. thats all there is to it.. steroids arent complicated at all, none of the bodybuilding drugs are (insulin, gh, t3, clen, igf,mgf, pgf2a, letro, propecia i could go on and on)... the only secret is consistancy, and that doesnt only apply to steroids, but to progressive overload in the gym and adequate nutrition as well.
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i overanalyze gear..lmao.. i havent been using anything but testosterone and testosterone only for the majority of the 2 and a half years ive been using gear.... and thats because i have tried everything in every doseage :-X and nothing works like magic, steroids all work about the same, and there is no real benefit of mega dosing, just take a good dose of a steroid, test is a greta choice cause its the natural hormone in yoru body, and stay on.. thats all there is to it.. steroids arent complicated at all, none of the bodybuilding drugs are (insulin, gh, t3, clen, igf,mgf, pgf2a, letro, propecia i could go on and on)... the only secret is consistancy, and that doesnt only apply to steroids, but to progressive overload in the gym and adequate nutrition as well.
I see what you are trying to say, but in practice it just doesn't pan out like that. For instance, if someone were to take 500mg of test a week versus 500mg of anadrol a week, I would think the drol guy would be bigger and especially stronger. Or lets say, 500 mg primo a week versus 500 mg tren a week, I imagine the tren fella would be much stroneger and bigger than the primo guy. I've done lots of stuff just by itself, and there are very distinct feels, looks and strengths to each.
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i overanalyze gear..lmao.. i havent been using anything but testosterone and testosterone only for the majority of the 2 and a half years ive been using gear.... and thats because i have tried everything in every doseage :-X and nothing works like magic, steroids all work about the same, and there is no real benefit of mega dosing, just take a good dose of a steroid, test is a greta choice cause its the natural hormone in yoru body, and stay on.. thats all there is to it.. steroids arent complicated at all, none of the bodybuilding drugs are (insulin, gh, t3, clen, igf,mgf, pgf2a, letro, propecia i could go on and on)... the only secret is consistancy, and that doesnt only apply to steroids, but to progressive overload in the gym and adequate nutrition as well.
Can you post a simple clear picture showing your results. The pics you post are always very obscure. Just a simple well lit picture. No need to do any fancy posing. Just a simple standing relax pic. Like how one would see you in real life at the pool or beach.
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I see what you are trying to say, but in practice it just doesn't pan out like that. For instance, if someone were to take 500mg of test a week versus 500mg of anadrol a week, I would think the drol guy would be bigger and especially stronger. Or lets say, 500 mg primo a week versus 500 mg tren a week, I imagine the tren fella would be much stroneger and bigger than the primo guy. I've done lots of stuff just by itself, and there are very distinct feels, looks and strengths to each.
your right about different steroids have different feels and looks. water retention, effect on libido/agression, and effect on fat mass. certainly tren, winstrol, primo, masteron all seem to be a bit better at leaning you out than say dbol, test, deca, anadrol,... and certainly test, tren, dbol, anadol for some people, anavar in high doses, anything in high doses can give great gains compared to weaker steroids like winstrool, eq, deca, ... aromatizing steroids like test dbol anadrol (not technically aromitizable tho) deca will give water retention while non-aromatizable will give less water retention.. anavar, winstrol, tren, primo, masteron, halo... but in the end they all are doing the same thing, they just have minor differences in how they go about it. test seems to give the best combination of all factors, except it does cause water retention but thats only because of a benefit which is high estrogen.. anyway, gotta run..
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equipoise isnt going to cause dangerously high levels of red blood cells in anyone, regardless of doseage.
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dumb post.
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i overanalyze gear..lmao.. i havent been using anything but testosterone and testosterone only for the majority of the 2 and a half years ive been using gear.... and thats because i have tried everything in every doseage :-X and nothing works like magic, steroids all work about the same, and there is no real benefit of mega dosing, just take a good dose of a steroid, test is a greta choice cause its the natural hormone in yoru body, and stay on.. thats all there is to it.. steroids arent complicated at all, none of the bodybuilding drugs are (insulin, gh, t3, clen, igf,mgf, pgf2a, letro, propecia i could go on and on)... the only secret is consistancy, and that doesnt only apply to steroids, but to progressive overload in the gym and adequate nutrition as well.
After "a calorie is a calorie" bullshit, tballz starts now "a steroid is a steroid".... ::) ::) ::)
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i overanalyze gear..lmao.. i havent been using anything but testosterone and testosterone only for the majority of the 2 and a half years ive been using gear.... and thats because i have tried everything in every doseage :-X and nothing works like magic, steroids all work about the same, and there is no real benefit of mega dosing, just take a good dose of a steroid, test is a greta choice cause its the natural hormone in yoru body, and stay on.. thats all there is to it.. steroids arent complicated at all, none of the bodybuilding drugs are (insulin, gh, t3, clen, igf,mgf, pgf2a, letro, propecia i could go on and on)... the only secret is consistancy, and that doesnt only apply to steroids, but to progressive overload in the gym and adequate nutrition as well.
Sorry Tbombz but you are very wrong on this topic.
Also mega dosing does work, providing nutrition, rest and training are on point - if you are eating plenty of calories (including adequate protein), training and sleeping plenty the more you take the more you grow....simple.
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your right about different steroids have different feels and looks. water retention, effect on libido/agression, and effect on fat mass. certainly tren, winstrol, primo, masteron all seem to be a bit better at leaning you out than say dbol, test, deca, anadrol,... and certainly test, tren, dbol, anadol for some people, anavar in high doses, anything in high doses can give great gains compared to weaker steroids like winstrool, eq, deca, ... aromatizing steroids like test dbol anadrol (not technically aromitizable tho) deca will give water retention while non-aromatizable will give less water retention.. anavar, winstrol, tren, primo, masteron, halo... but in the end they all are doing the same thing, they just have minor differences in how they go about it. test seems to give the best combination of all factors, except it does cause water retention but thats only because of a benefit which is high estrogen.. anyway, gotta run..
Have you considered that maybe the problem is the cheap chinese underground shit you're using !?!
maybe you should (if you can afford it) some real hg gear, then you will see the difference.
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Have you considered that maybe the problem is the cheap chinese underground shit you're using !?!
maybe you should (if you can afford it) some real hg gear, then you will see the difference.
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Have you considered that maybe the problem is the cheap chinese underground shit you're using !?!
maybe you should (if you can afford it) some real hg gear, then you will see the difference.
Na thats wrong to , there is good UG gear out there , What Tbombz is saying is in fact correct about steroids doing the same thing but is very wrong in saying mg vs mg you get the same rsults , this cannot be correct as some steroids are better than others.
1000mg of test
vs
700mg test and 300mg Tren
The second cycle will yeild better results in muscle and strength if all things are equal in regards to diet and training so in this case he is wrong and stacking does work.
I may have mistaken what you said Taylor and apoligise in advance if this is the case.
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Na thats wrong to , there is good UG gear out there , What Tbombz is saying is in fact correct about steroids doing the same thing but is very wrong in saying mg vs mg you get the same rsults , this cannot be correct as some steroids are better than others.
1000mg of test
vs
700mg test and 300mg Tren
The second cycle will yeild better results in muscle and strength if all things are equal in regards to diet and training so in this case he is wrong and stacking does work.
I may have mistaken what you said Taylor and apoligise in advance if this is the case.
that cycle with tren will work slightly better, due to the fact that tren is better than test, speaking from experience. 1000mg of tren alone will work better than 1000mg of test alone.
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that cycle with tren will work slightly better, due to the fact that tren is better than test, speaking from experience. 1000mg of tren alone will work better than 1000mg of test alone.
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Indeed , though I would say 600mg of tren would work better than 1000mg test.though i always like having test in a cycle.
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The inmates have clearly taken over the asylum here. What a bunch on nonsense to talk drug protocols. I don't see any true experts here. Shame on all of you.
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The inmates have clearly taken over the asylum here. What a bunch on nonsense to talk drug protocols. I don't see any true experts here. Shame on all of you.
??? ???
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The inmates have clearly taken over the asylum here. What a bunch on nonsense to talk drug protocols. I don't see any true experts here. Shame on all of you.
Did you lose you mind completely now?
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1000mg test/ew
1000mg boldenone(EQ) /ew
..Is magic in its purest form.
1000mg test/ew
500-600mg tren enanthate /ew
..Will make you ill and transform "you" into a psychopath.
Tren is the only compound, which made me so ill I got severe asthma-attacks and was hospitalized.
Have tried EVERYTHING, but no more tren for me - ever!
If you are scared getting your Hb-levels too high, then lower the dosages (EQ + test).
By far EQ+test stack is the best I've tried.
Recommend it!
(Haven't read the whole thread - just talking from experience.)
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Did you lose you mind completely now?
When was he ever "with it" to begin with?
All flotsam and jetsam. ;)
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that cycle with tren will work slightly better, due to the fact that tren is better than test, speaking from experience. 1000mg of tren alone will work better than 1000mg of test alone.
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You have no business taking 1000mg of tren.
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i dunno seriously my first cycle was deca + tren (dont ask i was a rookie) and i really liked it to be honest and i didnt have any libido or mood side effects, in fact i was really happy
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yes you were owned in both those threads and you have owned yourself here. ;D i love it.
you made the claim many bodybuilders suffer from high iron counts yet you cannot name any ;D
i have asked you which element of bodybuilding caused hemochromatosis , you cannot tell me ;D
i have asked you to clarify how you got high ferratin levels ( if you are even telling the truth ) , you will not tell me ;D
guess what big man - you have been owned again ;D
he doesn't have to prove shit to you, and you haven't "owned" anybody......you are the fat asshole who got outed spouting fucking fairy tales about his imaginary physique.
You really don't get it do you ??
Your cover is blown, game over..... no one takes you seriously
seriously.....look around. Nobody backs you, or engages in lengthy discussions with you.....we tolerate you because you won't shut up
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When was he ever "with it" to begin with?
All flotsam and jetsam. ;)
lol, you're right, but so far he didn't turn into the drug threads and comment on who's in the know and who not like if he knew shit about it.
But then again, he did the same with women before...
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he doesn't have to prove shit to you, and you haven't "owned" anybody......you are the fat asshole who got outed spouting fucking fairy tales about his imaginary physique.
You really don't get it do you ??
Your cover is blown, game over..... no one takes you seriously
seriously.....look around. Nobody backs you, or engages in lengthy discussions with you.....we tolerate you because you won't shut up
;D once again you show your ignorance, or inability to admit the truth when you see it.
to see you siding with a liar comes as no shock :-*
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;D once again you show your ignorance, or inability to admit the truth when you see it.
to see you siding with a liar comes as no shock :-*
Speaking of lying....got any pics of you at 9% (LOL).....or 290 (LOLOL) :D
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The inmates have clearly taken over the asylum here. What a bunch on nonsense to talk drug protocols. I don't see any true experts here. Shame on all of you.
How would you know if someone is an expert on this subject or not? You don't know shit about it so keep quiet.
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youve just repeated the basic info from every "steroid profile" on the net.. the fact is that every steroid increases rbc, and eq only mildy better at it than others..
I pretty much agree with tbombz here. There's no proof EQ or Anadrol are superior to all the rest. How many have had blood work with dbol at 1-5mg/kg/day and compared to Anadrol for example? How many have had blood work with EQ at 600mg and compared to nandrolone at the same dosage? Very few if any.
Anabolic and Erythropoietic Potency
Bodybuilders of course could usually care less about blood doping, however we do occasionally make note of the fact that steroids do enhance erythropoiesis. Although you most often hear talk of heightened RBC production with Anadrol and Equipoise in particular, this effect is not unique to these drugs. In fact all anabolic/androgenic steroids share this ability to one degree or another, usually in direct proportion to the anabolic capacity of the compound. This is due to the fact that the kidneys share a similar enzyme distribution to the muscles, namely high levels of 3alpha-hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase enzymes and little 5alpha-reductase. These two enzymes are the primary force in the disassociation of the androgenic and anabolic properties of various compounds, as they serve to alter their activity in specific target tissues. Renal tissue therefore respond to androgen stimulation on a very similar level to muscle tissue.
Poor anabolics such as dihydrotestosterone and Proviron, which are highly susceptible to 3HSD deactivation in the muscles, are also poor promoters of erythropoiesis. Potent anabolics such as nandrolone, testosterone and oxymetholone are similarly good enhancers of erythropoiesis. Since most steroids outside of DHT and Proviron are at least moderately potent anabolics, they should therefore also be relatively effective at increasing red blood cell concentrations. In clinical trials often there is no advantage reported with one agent over another, even in head to head simultaneous comparisons. For example, a study looking at the effects of oxymetholone, methenolone and drostanolone in 69 patients with aplastic anemia noted a group remission rate of 48%, with no therapeutic advantage being noted with any particular compound. Stanozolol, norethandrolone and methandrostenolone are also shown to produce a similar remission rate of about 50% with patient suffering from the same condition, with again no known advantage being apparent in any. Testosterone, ethylestrenol, nandrolone, fluoxymesterone and methyltestosterone have similarly also demonstrated a marked effect on erythropoiesis, with therapeutic potential.
So you see, Winstrol, Masteron and Primo are great at increasing RBCs too. ;D
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I pretty much agree with tbombz here. There's no proof EQ or Anadrol are superior to all the rest. How many have had blood work with dbol at 1-5mg/kg/day and compared to Anadrol for example? How many have had blood work with EQ at 600mg and compared to nandrolone at the same dosage? Very few if any.
So you see, Winstrol, Masteron and Primo are great at increasing RBCs too. ;D
You would agree with tbombz about anything as of late. Get off his nuts. Anyone that has actually used EQ knows it increases significantly. You seem to be all book smart and no real experience with the bs you post as of late. Get over your self V_B.
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your right about different steroids have different feels and looks. water retention, effect on libido/agression, and effect on fat mass. certainly tren, winstrol, primo, masteron all seem to be a bit better at leaning you out than say dbol, test, deca, anadrol,... and certainly test, tren, dbol, anadol for some people, anavar in high doses, anything in high doses can give great gains compared to weaker steroids like winstrool, eq, deca, ... aromatizing steroids like test dbol anadrol (not technically aromitizable tho) deca will give water retention while non-aromatizable will give less water retention.. anavar, winstrol, tren, primo, masteron, halo... but in the end they all are doing the same thing, they just have minor differences in how they go about it. test seems to give the best combination of all factors, except it does cause water retention but thats only because of a benefit which is high estrogen.. anyway, gotta run..
Sigh...showing your beginner mistakes again, winstrol is one of the strongest steroids around, sides are very agressive - coarsening of the hair , loss of sex drive, helping dissolve hair follicles, etc. and the anabolic gains are very good as well, much higher then primo, anavar, halo, about on par with oral turinabol. I'm talking about legit vet/human grade winstrol btw. not the cheap watered down underground shit.
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Sigh...showing your beginner mistakes again, winstrol is one of the strongest steroids around, sides are very agressive - coarsening of the hair , loss of sex drive, helping dissolve hair follicles, etc. and the anabolic gains are very good as well, much higher then primo, anavar, halo, about on par with oral turinabol. I'm talking about legit vet/human grade winstrol btw. not the cheap watered down underground shit.
This. 50mg EOD of the Spanish Zambon winny is surprisingly potent.
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You would agree with tbombz about anything as of late. Get off his nuts. Anyone that has actually used EQ knows it increases significantly. You seem to be all book smart and no real experience with the bs you post as of late. Get over your self V_B.
What the fuck are you talking about. Show me the numerous posts where I've "been on his nuts". Fact of the matter is that I've posted this same exact thing several times previously here, and it's likely tbombz picked it up from me.
What have I posted that is BS? You can't debate me on a single steroid related topic and win. And my real life experience is guaranteed way more vast than yours. You are nothing but a shill for shitty UG labs.
No, anyone who has used EQ can't testify to this effect. You can't feel it... which is why you need labs.
Let me guess, Llewellyn is totally wrong also?
tbombz is young and likely to change his opinion on a number of subjects in the future but he has way more smarts than you when it comes to drugs.
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I pretty much agree with tbombz here. There's no proof EQ or Anadrol are superior to all the rest. How many have had blood work with dbol at 1-5mg/kg/day and compared to Anadrol for example? How many have had blood work with EQ at 600mg and compared to nandrolone at the same dosage? Very few if any.
So you see, Winstrol, Masteron and Primo are great at increasing RBCs too. ;D
Then tell us 'o great one, why are the other steroids not used medically with anemiacs ?! (people with low RED BLOOD CELL counts) and only ANADROL is, since EQ is a Vet steroid and there IS NO HUMAN GRADE MADE ANYWHERE that is not underground.
You can quote anecdotes all you want, one of vet's (horse) that I was buying my Equipoise from at the race track told me they use EQ specifically because it increases RBC and gives the horse phenomenal stamina in a race situation.
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Na thats wrong to , there is good UG gear out there , What Tbombz is saying is in fact correct about steroids doing the same thing but is very wrong in saying mg vs mg you get the same rsults , this cannot be correct as some steroids are better than others.
1000mg of test
vs
700mg test and 300mg Tren
The second cycle will yeild better results in muscle and strength if all things are equal in regards to diet and training so in this case he is wrong and stacking does work.
I may have mistaken what you said Taylor and apoligise in advance if this is the case.
Yeah...and you're quite the expert on steroids.. I've seen the posted pictures of you, you and twinkie (van bilderass) should hit the gym and do a cycle so you actually know wtf you're talking about.
Van Bilderass
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This. 50mg EOD of the Spanish Zambon winny is surprisingly potent.
This is one of the only winstrol's the pro's will use.
Any contest you can go to look at the top 5 and put a shirt on them: this body was built by Zambon
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Then tell us 'o great one, why are the other steroids not used medically with anemiacs ?! (people with low RED BLOOD CELL counts) and only ANADROL is, since EQ is a Vet steroid and there IS NO HUMAN GRADE MADE ANYWHERE that is not underground.
You can quote anecdotes all you want, one of vet's (horse) that I was buying my Equipoise from at the race track told me they use EQ specifically because it increases RBC and gives the horse phenomenal stamina in a race situation.
All right, listen closely now. Just because a particular steroid has a specific indication DOES NOT mean it's the most potent choice in that regard. An example: Oxandrin is the only steroid with the specific indication of increasing weight in otherwise healthy individuals. Is oxandrolone the most potent oral 'weight gainer'? It is not. A drug company simply picks a steroid out of hundreds or thousands and then has trials to see if it works. If it does, it may be pursued for approval for a specific indication. Do they compare all steroids head to head? they do not. Is Arimidex the most potent AI? It's not. Politics also comes in. Dianabol could not be pursued as a 'weight gainer' due to its history.
Show me EQ was specifically developed as an RBC booster for horses. I don't know for sure but I very much doubt it. It was simply picked out of the many already synthesized in a lab, for whatever reason.
This is one of the only winstrol's the pro's will use.
Any contest you can go to look at the top 5 and put a shirt on them: this body was built by Zambon
I've used lots of Zambon injectables and the tiny 2mg Zambon tabs straight from the pharmacy. All it's good for is the last few weeks because it doesn't bloat you. It can be substituted with any number of other comparatively weak drugs.
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All right, listen closely now. Just because a particular steroid has a specific indication DOES NOT mean it's the most potent choice in that regard. An example: Oxandrin is the only steroid with the specific indication of increasing weight in otherwise healthy individuals. Is oxandrolone the most potent oral 'weight gainer'? It is not. A drug company simply picks a steroid out of hundreds or thousands and then has trials to see if it works. If it does, it may be pursued for approval for a specific indication. Do they compare all steroids head to head? they do not. Is Arimidex the most potent AI? It's not. Politics also comes in. Dianabol could not be pursued as a 'weight gainer' due to its history.
Show me EQ was specifically developed as an RBC booster for horses. I don't know for sure but I very much doubt it. It was simply picked out of the many already synthesized in a lab, for whatever reason.
So now your opinion should be taken over panels of doctors and studies put on by comercial companies...wow you must have multiple ph.d's to get that kind of pull... also I've never stated EQ was developed for that particular purpose but that is a big part of what it does. EQ will raise RBC more then any other steroid other then anadrol.
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So now your opinion should be taken over panels of doctors and studies put on by comercial companies...wow you must have multiple ph.d's to get that kind of pull... also I've never stated EQ was developed for that particular purpose but that is a big part of what it does. EQ will raise RBC more then any other steroid other then anadrol.
Are you a PhD? If not, give references where the PhDs back your statements.
Show me it increases RBCs more than any other steroid. I already posted a quote by Llewellyn with references.
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I've used lots of Zambon injectables and the tiny 2mg Zambon tabs straight from the pharmacy. All it's good for is the last few weeks because it doesn't bloat you. It can be substituted with any number of other comparatively weak drugs.
I usually like your posts Van, but Zambon's gave me great strength gains- on par with most anything I've tried except Tren or Dbol. I guess weak is relative dependent on the purpose of use, but it made me a lot stronger and more vascular.
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This. 50mg EOD of the Spanish Zambon winny is surprisingly potent.
Real zambon winstrol is AMAZING stuff.
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Are you a PhD? If not, give references where the PhDs back your statements.
Show me it increases RBCs more than any other steroid. I already posted a quote by Llewellyn with references.
As much as I would like to stay here and debate someone who obviously hasn't lifted in years.. I actually have to go meet my friend at the gym and get a workout in, I'm sure you can post some great stuff while I am gone and getting big though..
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Are you a PhD? If not, give references where the PhDs back your statements.
Show me it increases RBCs more than any other steroid. I already posted a quote by Llewellyn with references.
Yeah but you look like you have never set foot in a gym....so if I'm Joe blow and I'm deciding which "expert" advices I should take....do I listen to the Guy who obviously puts in the time and looks the part....or the Guy who posts study after study but looks like shit..... all things being equal as they are both intelligent people?
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Yeah but you look like you have never set foot in a gym....so if I'm Joe blow and I'm deciding which "expert" advices I should take....do I listen to the Guy who obviously puts in the time and looks the part....or the Guy who posts study after study but looks like shit..... all things being equal as they are both intelligent people?
that guy is not Van btw. Has captain eq posted a pic?
but how they look like is besides the point tho, the shit van says is always spot on.
alot of IFBB pros look the part of a an "expert" but at the same time they wouldnt be able to kick any drug knowledge at you.
Fatpanda is a different case tho, he just says complete bullshit and hes a 40yr old virgin.
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What the fuck are you talking about. Show me the numerous posts where I've "been on his nuts". Fact of the matter is that I've posted this same exact thing several times previously here, and it's likely tbombz picked it up from me.
What have I posted that is BS? You can't debate me on a single steroid related topic and win. And my real life experience is guaranteed way more vast than yours. You are nothing but a shill for shitty UG labs.
No, anyone who has used EQ can't testify to this effect. You can't feel it... which is why you need labs.
Let me guess, Llewellyn is totally wrong also?
tbombz is young and likely to change his opinion on a number of subjects in the future but he has way more smarts than you when it comes to drugs.
You can shove the shill BS right up your twink ass Van. I don't shill for anyone, look through my posts and you will see. The only time I even mention the one UG I use is when someone asks about it. I also use lots of HG gear. I talked more about that particular UG before I was a mod here, but since I became a mod here I don't even hardly mention UG 's. I don't feel the need to win a debate on steroids with you or anyone else, my body is proof enough for ME.
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that guy is not Van btw. Has captain eq posted a pic?
but how they look like is besides the point tho, the shit van says is always spot on.
alot of IFBB pros look the part of a an "expert" but at the same time they wouldnt be able to kick any drug knowledge at you.
Fatpanda is a different case tho, he just says complete bullshit and hes a 40yr old virgin.
I've seen pics of both of them.
CAPT EQ is a very big, very muscular dude. Van B looks like an old man which needs to lose a few lbs.
It seems that some "gurus" here are just guys who have to be right all the time...no matter what.
And others are guys who actually speak on their personal experience and don't ridicule others unless they are provoked.
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I know for a fact that this isn't Van.
Van isn't built like a bodybuilder but he is crazy strong and he has more than decent size
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Can someone post the pic of Van, or is this gonna be like the Dina Al-Sabbah asshole pic everyone talks about but never posts? :D
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As much as I would like to stay here and debate someone who obviously hasn't lifted in years.. I actually have to go meet my friend at the gym and get a workout in, I'm sure you can post some great stuff while I am gone and getting big though..
Why are you challenging me then? When asked for proof you have shit for answers.
I don't feel the need to win a debate on steroids with you or anyone else, my body is proof enough for ME.
Don't challenge an opinion if you aren't willing to back your BS up.
I know for a fact that this isn't Van.
Van isn't built like a bodybuilder but he is crazy strong and he has more than decent size
Yeah I've always said I'm nothing special physique wise. I don't have a bodybuilder look (though I did step on stage once ;D). I'm a weight lifting enthusiast, nothing more.
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I usually like your posts Van, but Zambon's gave me great strength gains- on par with most anything I've tried except Tren or Dbol. I guess weak is relative dependent on the purpose of use, but it made me a lot stronger and more vascular.
Personal experience does vary. There are plenty of very advanced bodybuilders who do not care for it though.
I've seen pics of both of them.
CAPT EQ is a very big, very muscular dude. Van B looks like an old man which needs to lose a few lbs.
It seems that some "gurus" here are just guys who have to be right all the time...no matter what.
And others are guys who actually speak on their personal experience and don't ridicule others unless they are provoked.
Did you see me first ridicule others here? All I said was I agreed with tbombz. Then Captain EQ and 4thAD come on and start talking shit with nothing to back it up. This particular point has nothing to do with how anyone looks, either a compound is proven superior in some aspect or it is not. If researchers wanted to compare steroids head to head in RBC boosting capability in a new study would they simply ask bodybuilders? Hell no.
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Personal experience does vary.
[b]There are plenty of very advanced bodybuilders who do not care for it though.[/b]
Did you see me first ridicule others here? All I said was I agreed with tbombz. Then Captain EQ and 4thAD come on and start talking shit with nothing to back it up. This particular point has nothing to do with how anyone looks, either a compound is proven superior in some aspect or it is not. If researchers wanted to compare steroids head to head in RBC boosting capability in a new study would they simply ask bodybuilders? Hell no.
post a study proving that statement !!!!!!!!!!
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You are wrong, that's exactly what is so special about EQ, why it was designed for Equidae (horses) it dramatically increases the red blood cell count more then any other steroid,
Go back to the library kid.
And amazingly, nowhere in the vet indication is there mention of RBC boosting. It's long acting anabolic/low androgenic steroid. Those are the desired effects.
Manufacturer: Fort Dodge
Boldenone Undecylenate Injection
For intramuscular use in horses only
NADA 34-705, Approved by FDA
Equipoise Caution: Federal Law Restricts This Drug To Use By Or On The Order Of A Licensed Veterinarian.
Description
Equipoise (Boldenone Undecylenate Injection) is a long-acting injectable anabolic agent for horses, supplied in a vial providing 50 mg boldenone undecylenate per mL in sesame oil with 3% (w/v) benzyl alcohol as a preservative.
Equipoise is a steroid ester possessing marked anabolic properties and a minimal amount of androgenic activity.
Anabolic and androgenic agents have come to be used widely in the treatment of certain pathophysiological or catabolic processes in man and animals. In many instances it is desirable to maintain a constant level of effect over a long period of time. Equipoise is a long-acting injectable agent which has a rapid onset of action; this is advantageous and is preferred over frequent oral dosing or even repeated injections.
Actions
Anabolic agents are related to the sex hormones, but each varies in its anabolic and androgenic effect. Compounds such as methyltestosterone have anabolic activity, but with prolonged use, animals develop marked androgenic activity which makes these compounds unsuitable for prolonged therapy.
Pharmacological studies conducted in laboratory animals to evaluate the pharmacological activity characterized Equipoise as having distinct anabolic properties together with a certain degree of androgenic activity. It does not have marked antigonadotropic properties nor does it produce any clear-cut effects on the endometrium, conditions that are commonly observed when similar substances are used.
In clinical trials, at the recommended dosage, Equipoise had a marked anabolic effect in debilitated horses; appetite improved, vigor increased and improvement was noted in musculature and haircoat. This would be expected with an anabolic agent such as Equipoise, particularly where there had been marked tissue breakdown associated with disease, prolonged anorexia or overwork.
Equipoise Indications
Equipoise (Boldenone Undecylenate Injection) is recommended as an aid for treating debilitated horses when an improvement in weight, haircoat or general physical condition is desired. Debilitation often follows disease or may occur following overwork and overexertion.
Equipoise improves the general state of debilitated horses, thus aiding in correcting weight losses and improving appetite. It is not a substitute for a well-balanced diet. Optimal results can be expected only when good management and feeding practices are utilized.
Equipoise should be considered only as adjunctive therapy to other specific and supportive therapy for diseases, surgical cases and traumatic injuries.
http://www.drugs.com/vet/equipoise.html
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Personal experience does vary. There are plenty of very advanced bodybuilders who do not care for it though.
Obviously they didn't get real Zambon. :D
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post a study proving that statement !!!!!!!!!!
There is NOTHING wrong with personal experience. If someone says they got veiny and skin took on a nice glow from EQ then there's nothing to dispute. It's a subjective report. However if you make a statement of fact, and further claim this has been proven in studies then I have a problem because it's bullshit. Captain EQ says boldenone is superior as an RBC booster... well, prove it then. If he said he had done tons of blood work showing it's more potent than say Deca at the same dosage I wouldn't have anything to say either. That's his experience. But to state this across the board would be wrong.
And lets be real, how many do frequent blood work? Very very few. That's why juicers rely on steroid profiles for "facts".
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Att: Bilderass - here's my BACKUP.
just got back from a great workout while Bilderass spent time searching for studies to back up his internet claims..oh brother ::) ::)
Groink you're looking swole btw! thanks for the kind words.
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Obviously they didn't get real Zambon. :D
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most seen here are fakes, if it's not coming directly from Spain through one of a few known exporters then it's bullshit.
Same thing with Schering proviron and primo, tons of fakes, clueless gym rats just don't know what the real deal looks like so they give it a bad name because they got fakes... don't even get me started on the Sustanon line..
real gear is like magic, you take reasonable amounts and you f*cking GROW, without effort, without try.
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Att: Bilderass - here's my BACKUP.
just got back from a great workout while Bilderass spent time searching for studies to back up his internet claims..oh brother ::) ::)
Groink you're looking swole btw! thanks for the kind words.
Wow, you really owned me. I'm a believer now, EQ really does boost RBCs more than any other steroid. That pic is all the proof I need. You can clearly see the RBCs flowing under the skin.
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Speaking of lying....got any pics of you at 9% (LOL).....or 290 (LOLOL) :D
yes to both.
i'm not the lying gear abuser here porky ;) not to mention the crack, heroin, meth etc etc ::)
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Wow, you really owned me. I'm a believer now, EQ really does boost RBCs more than any other steroid. That pic is all the proof I need. You can clearly see the RBCs flowing under the skin.
You're right dude, we should all quit working out , get fat and old and look like the twink you are.
love the filename getbig gave you, it all makes sense.
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This. 50mg EOD of the Spanish Zambon winny is surprisingly potent.
i agree, best strength gains i ever got were using 1 amp every 2nd day.
not 1 underground substance gave me anywhere near it. :'(
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You're right dude, we should all quit working out , get fat and old and look like the twink you are.
love the filename getbig gave you, it all makes sense.
Even if that was me it wouldn't change a thing. You were talking out of your ass.
But maybe I am a guy from Bel Air? ???
http://www.myspace.com/55657839
i agree, best strength gains i ever got were using 1 amp every 2nd day.
not 1 underground substance gave me anywhere near it. :'(
I once used about 100 amps of Zambon at 2 per day and remember thinking even 10mg of Akrihin dbol beats it. :-\
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Even if that was me it wouldn't change a thing. You were talking out of your ass.
I once used about 100 amps of Zambon at 2 per day and remember thinking even 10mg of Akrihin dbol beats it. :-\
are you serious ??? are you sure it was real ?
i've taken 100mg of oral winny tabs (ug) - did very little that i noticed, except make my shoulders very dry and sore. :(
is akrihin dbol hg ?
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are you serious ??? are you sure it was real ?
i've taken 100mg of oral winny tabs (ug) - did very little that i noticed, except make my shoulders very dry and sore. :(
is akrihin dbol hg ?
Your opinion means shit, FATSO.
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Your opinion means shit, FATSO.
>1000.
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are you serious ??? are you sure it was real ?
i've taken 100mg of oral winny tabs (ug) - did very little that i noticed, except make my shoulders very dry and sore. :(
is akrihin dbol hg ?
Well, my dealer got it from a Spanish pharmacy and drove it over personally to Sweden. This was maybe a decade ago. Did a few thousand of the 2mg tabs also.
Akrihin was HG. Maybe I was partial to them since it was the first dbol I tried. But I tried, among others, Bionabol, Naposim, Anabol, Metadon and all these worked pretty much the same. The Winstrol just didn't seem to do much. Anavar at a high dosage is the best for strength without much BW gain IME.
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Akrihin was HG. Maybe I was partial to them since it was the first dbol I tried. But I tried, among others, Bionabol, Naposim, Anabol, Metadon and all these worked pretty much the same. The Winstrol just didn't seem to do much. Anavar at a high dosage is the best for strength without much BW gain IME.
I like Anavar. Only tried human grade SPA, have heard of people getting next to nothing with UG.
Whats your favorite for strength regardless of BW gain?
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I like Anavar. Only tried human grade SPA, have heard of people getting next to nothing with UG.
Whats your favorite for strength regardless of BW gain?
i didn't get much, except the dry shoulders again.
so either i had fake var made with a little winny powder or var works the same way :(
van regarding the studies with hg dbol, there was no difference between 100mg a day and 10mg. like adrol there appears to be a ceiling.
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I like Anavar. Only tried human grade SPA, have heard of people getting next to nothing with UG.
Whats your favorite for strength regardless of BW gain?
If I had to boost strength quickly, in a week or two, then Anadrol. Over time I really thought the Anavar was better. What's strange is that I tried Anadrol several times early on and didn't notice anything at all. I remember trying Anapolon and Oxybolone with no results. Later on Anadrol started working for some reason. ???
Halo is supposed to great but I never tried it.
van regarding the studies with hg dbol, there was no difference between 100mg a day and 10mg. like adrol there appears to be a ceiling.
I don't know about that, never saw those studies. The Akrihin leaflet said 10-50mg/day so I think it's based on something. And from experience there appears to be a ceiling at about 50-60mg, where there isn't a huge difference even if you triple dosages. Then again I had friends who thought dbol didn't even start working until you hit 100mg. ;D
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You're right dude, we should all quit working out , get fat and old and look like the twink you are.
love the filename getbig gave you, it all makes sense.
seriously, that's not him
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If I had to boost strength quickly, in a week or two, then Anadrol. Over time I really thought the Anavar was better. What's strange is that I tried Anadrol several times early on and didn't notice anything at all. I remember trying Anapolon and Oxybolone with no results. Later on Anadrol started working for some reason. ???
Halo is supposed to great but I never tried it.
I don't know about that, never saw those studies. The Akrihin leaflet said 10-50mg/day so I think it's based on something. And from experience there appears to be a ceiling at about 50-60mg, where there isn't a huge difference even if you triple dosages. Then again I had friends who thought dbol didn't even start working until you hit 100mg. ;D
I tried halo and anadrol but it was UG and I am suspecting it was d-bol they put into the caps
HG compagnies seem to put d-bol in everything
I tried some HG anadrol also but didn't like it that much
I tought superdrol was better in terme of look and strengh gain
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I tried halo and anadrol but it was UG and I am suspecting it was d-bol they put into the caps
HG compagnies seem to put d-bol in everything
I tried some HG anadrol also but didn't like it that much
I tought superdrol was better in terme of look and strengh gain
This. Superdrol is amazingly effective for something legal (or used to be). Even at 10mg a day.
I was thinking that about the UG halo too. Never tried it but prolly dbol or winny with a huge mark up.
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For all those talking about halo, don't waste your time.. you're gonna end up single or in jail, it makes you psychotic.
I still have 2 boxes of halo (Stenox) I picked up in Mexico, legit HG grade in 5mg tabs... an hour or two after you take one tab you just want to kill everything in site, it's not fun and I'm not writing this to be witty or sarcastic.
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Honestly, Van's opinions should be highly respected and appreciated. I don't know if the picture is him or not, and it really shouldn't matter considering he lives in a police-state, but the dude DOES know what the fuck he's talking about.
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For all those talking about halo, don't waste your time.. you're gonna end up single or in jail, it makes you psychotic.
I still have 2 boxes of halo (Stenox) I picked up in Mexico, legit HG grade in 5mg tabs... an hour or two after you take one tab you just want to kill everything in site, it's not fun and I'm not writing this to be witty or sarcastic.
worst than tren ?
honnestly I never believed in roid rage but with tren that might be an exeption.
I am a fucking asshole on this shit ( but I like it, usually I am too much of a nice guy)
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yes to both.
i'm not the lying gear abuser here porky ;) not to mention the crack, heroin, meth etc etc ::)
LOL at you calling anyone fat.......it is seriously like talking to a retard
I pity you at this point
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Yeah...and you're quite the expert on steroids.. I've seen the posted pictures of you, you and twinkie (van bilderass) should hit the gym and do a cycle so you actually know wtf you're talking about.
Van Bilderass
LOL Ive had no pics posted but I have seen yours , you should try steroids or wait you claim to have already , pity it didnt result in much more than a average natural look dummy. ::)
And thats Not Van cockbreath ::)
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Att: Bilderass - here's my BACKUP.
just got back from a great workout while Bilderass spent time searching for studies to back up his internet claims..oh brother ::) ::)
Groink you're looking swole btw! thanks for the kind words.
Christ I hope you are not on gear there , :-\
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worst than tren ?
honnestly I never believed in roid rage but with tren that might be an exeption.
I am a fucking asshole on this shit ( but I like it, usually I am too much of a nice guy)
OMG, tren is child's play in comparison both acetate and enanthate are nothing compared to halotestin
no wonder they give it to boxer's and mma fighters before the fight..
Christ I hope you are not on gear there , :-\
You know for a skinny little twink that talks so much you should really post some pics and prove me wrong :)
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OMG, tren is child's play in comparison both acetate and enanthate are nothing compared to halotestin
no wonder they give it to boxer's and mma fighters before the fight..
damn I'd love to try that shit ;D
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damn I'd love to try that shit ;D
After seeing what it does to other guys, i'd rather do meth (and i don't even use/drink caffeine)...
I remember some company made 2,5 mg tabs like 5+ years ago, now there's ugl's who make/sell/claim 20 mg caps. If that's the case, it's some serious shit (most likely just d-bol though). :D
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OMG, tren is child's play in comparison both acetate and enanthate are nothing compared to halotestin
no wonder they give it to boxer's and mma fighters before the fight..
You know for a skinny little twink that talks so much you should really post some pics and prove me wrong :)
Methyltrienolone.
cheque drops.
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This. Superdrol is amazingly effective for something legal (or used to be). Even at 10mg a day.
I was thinking that about the UG halo too. Never tried it but prolly dbol or winny with a huge mark up.
how amazingly effective ?
i used that mag 10 shit and the andro4ad or whatever it was called.
did nothing but give me a limp dick >:(
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damn I'd love to try that shit ;D
in high school i destroyed a coke machine for stealing my dollar.......tren, halo, and test at the same time can be wild...
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in high school i destroyed a coke machine for stealing my dollar.......tren, halo, and test at the same time can be wild...
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you are quite the monster - killer ::)
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in high school i destroyed a coke machine for stealing my dollar.......tren, halo, and test at the same time can be wild...
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I just literally flipped the fuck out >:( >:(
Been on Ace only 50 mg ED... for 1 week
FUCK, wheres my dostinex >:( >:(
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I just literally flipped the fuck out >:( >:(
Been on Ace only 50 mg ED... for 1 week
FUCK, wheres my dostinex >:( >:(
i was on around 100mg tren a ed......750 test ew....and halo when i went to school, and again before i worked out.....i think maybe anadrol also(dont remember).....and i was a teenager.......coke machine didnt stand a chance ;D
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you are quite the monster - killer ::)
you are quite the monster too judging by you employment records...
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you are quite the monster too judging by you employment records...
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well i don't smash up coke machines because i'm on gear but then again, we can't all be killers like you tough guy.
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well i don't smash up coke machines because i'm on gear but then again, we can't all be killers like you tough guy.
No one seems to like you, no one here likes me, maybe we should be friends ;)
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No one seems to like you, no one here likes me, maybe we should be friends ;)
it seems many here harbour an inferiority complex when in my presence.
perhaps you have the same affect on them ?
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it seems many here harbour an inferiority complex when in my presence.
perhaps you have the same affect on them ?
ahahahahaah, you're so delusional you don't even realize that you're the village idiot of the month, the poor fat kid that dearly wants to be part of the group and is only accepted because he will be the punching bag for the others.
Seriously, what does a fat fuck like you want on a BB message board?
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ahahahahaah, you're so delusional you don't even realize that you're the village idiot of the month, the poor fat kid that dearly wants to be part of the group and is only accepted because he will be the punching bag for the others.
Seriously, what does a fat fuck like you want on a BB message board?
x 10,000,000
Panda is as delusional as Goodrum
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in high school i destroyed a coke machine for stealing my dollar.......tren, halo, and test at the same time can be wild...
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Jesus fuckin Christ! You were juicing like that as a teenager? You sure the department knows the real you like you said they do?
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Jesus fuckin Christ! You were juicing like that as a teenager? You sure the department knows the real you like you said they do?
yeah, i told them everything.....and offered a blood test on the spot showing i dont use anything anymore.....every place i have ever worked for knew what they were getting.....
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yeah, i told them everything.....and offered a blood test on the spot showing i dont use anything anymore.....every place i have ever worked for knew what they were getting.....
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So no permanent shutdown from juicing as a teen? How much, or how little, did you lose from your jacked days and why did you get off and not just stick with more moderate treatment? BTW, props (I think) for being able to pin yourself ed as a teen. Most cry at the thought of a flu shot which I think is a 25g water base inject. Shit, I had a job and could barely afford protein and weight gainers. Of course, gear wasn't available to teens back in my days. I didn't even become aware of them until I move to Cali when I turned 19.
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So no permanent shutdown from juicing as a teen? How much, or how little, did you lose from your jacked days and why did you get off and not just stick with more moderate treatment? BTW, props (I think) for being able to pin yourself ed as a teen. Most cry at the thought of a flu shot which I think is a 25g water base inject. Shit, I had a job and could barely afford protein and weight gainers. Of course, gear wasn't available to teens back in my days. I didn't even become aware of them until I move to Cali when I turned 19.
So at 19 you weren't a teen?? :o :o :o
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Just kidding. ;D
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So at 19 you weren't a teen?? :o :o :o
;)
Just kidding. ;D
LOL! Nothing gets past you, my friend. But strictly speaking, I moved to Cali at 19 yo but didn't actually become aware of steroids until I was 20 yo when I got a job at a gym and noticed some guys getting jacked real fast. The owner of the gym was friends with a guy name Dr. Walzak (sp?) in Sherman Oaks, CA who apparently was the steroid doctor for just about everyone in the South Bay on north. In Orange county there was another guy who's name escapes me but he handled the Orange County/San Diego side. We're talking mid 1980s now when everything was legal and up and up. Good times then.
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So no permanent shutdown from juicing as a teen? How much, or how little, did you lose from your jacked days and why did you get off and not just stick with more moderate treatment? BTW, props (I think) for being able to pin yourself ed as a teen. Most cry at the thought of a flu shot which I think is a 25g water base inject. Shit, I had a job and could barely afford protein and weight gainers. Of course, gear wasn't available to teens back in my days. I didn't even become aware of them until I move to Cali when I turned 19.
Id also like to know
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LOL! Nothing gets past you, my friend. But strictly speaking, I moved to Cali at 19 yo but didn't actually become aware of steroids until I was 20 yo when I got a job at a gym and noticed some guys getting jacked real fast. The owner of the gym was friends with a guy name Dr. Walzak (sp?) in Sherman Oaks, CA who apparently was the steroid doctor for just about everyone in the South Bay on north. In Orange county there was another guy who's name escapes me but he handled the Orange County/San Diego side. We're talking mid 1980s now when everything was legal and up and up. Good times then.
HG steroids, straight from a doctor. Sounds like a dream.... ;D ;D
Id also like to know
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So no permanent shutdown from juicing as a teen? How much, or how little, did you lose from your jacked days and why did you get off and not just stick with more moderate treatment? BTW, props (I think) for being able to pin yourself ed as a teen. Most cry at the thought of a flu shot which I think is a 25g water base inject. Shit, I had a job and could barely afford protein and weight gainers. Of course, gear wasn't available to teens back in my days. I didn't even become aware of them until I move to Cali when I turned 19.
no permanent shutdown at all...but i also used to take a lot of clomid and HCG......and i mean A LOT!!!..that could be the reason
i didnt really lose that much the first year i was off....but i think that had to do with my last blasting phase EPO routine, and my continued diet....
then i got hurt and didnt lift for 2 years....then returned back to a really good size, and competed 1 more time just on prohormones.....all in all....nothin was harmed...
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no permanent shutdown at all...but i also used to take a lot of clomid and HCG......and i mean A LOT!!!..that could be the reason
i didnt really lose that much the first year i was off....but i think that had to do with my last blasting phase EPO routine, and my continued diet....
then i got hurt and didnt lift for 2 years....then returned back to a really good size, and competed 1 more time just on prohormones.....all in all....nothin was harmed...
bench
So you WERE competing. I always had the impression you were just some crazy recreational juicer. How many shows did you do and how did you fare?
BTW, I still think you're crazy and wouldn't want to be within a mile of you, or whatever your range is with a .50 cal BMG. I'm waaay more delicate than a coke machine.
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Hello god,
If you have an advice to tell to a young bodybuilder what will it be ?
If you can go in the past, what will you change in your bodybuilding lifestyle ?
If you have a Son that want to become a pro bodybuilder, will you let him become one ?
What is the difference between american bodybuilding and European bodybuilding ? Most of Olympia are from the USA.
Thank you I hope my english is ok.
1. always have the following drug at ahnd from the get go,,tren ace,,,testosterona,,equi,,masteron
2. always use them ,,consistantly no matter what ,,sometimes go off inorde3r to shock system later,,but always be on consistant use of those 4 drugs in some form or another,,
3. no matter how lean you feel at the beggining and psycologicaly fucked dont ever quit those 4 drugs because with time they will give you and they will be the only drugs that will give you the 3 dimentional look and right after that within couple months the small head in relashion to body,,those are the only combination of drugs that will do it with quality
4. gh a must for the bodyfat levels/size combo you need now days ,,so forget abotu hgih level competition with out gh ,,with any drug at the end you will start losing muscle inordder to get down to very low bf%,,the3 onlnly thing that wuill get you to GROW into show is gh,,it is a must ..but try to abuse it less at the beggining stages and keep it for later in high doses if you do well at higher levekl competition above local
5 id take insulin out of bodybuilding ,,it ruined it
,,also take seo otu of bodybuilding then yo 7usee who is real good and who is a blob
6. amnerican bodybuilder are liars,,they use more drugs and higher doses ,,europian bodybuilders are less of a liar and use just as much
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god,
you've touched on "intelligent" use of site-injects and seo's in arms before
please elaborate..
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god,
you've touched on "intelligent" use of site-injects and seo's in arms before
please elaborate..
isnt it kind of self explanatory
they are all doing it........but when people start asking "is he doing synthol".....that means a person is doing it incorrectly
using synthol correctly means no one will ever notice your using it
i know im not a substitute for gh15s knowledge, he could expand on this
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isnt it kind of self explanatory
they are all doing it........but when people start asking "is he doing synthol".....that means a person is doing it incorrectly
using synthol correctly means no one will ever notice your using it
i know im not a substitute for gh15s knowledge, he could expand on this
yes, I understand, but he did mention the use of aas (not synthol) by pros in the 70's done correctly, producing localized permanent gains in the bodypart
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yes, I understand, but he did mention the use of aas (not synthol) by pros in the 70's done correctly, producing localized permanent gains in the bodypart
yeh, the time honnored "do site (AAS) injections cause localized growth?" debate
i cant answer this, apparently hany ramrod has a whole theory and protocol based on this
my only answer would be..........if steroid injections in a specific bodypart caused localized growth, shouldnt most bodybuilders be walking around with huge asses?
but i have heard of people mixing SEOs with steroids......and that having a local effect.......its otu of my paygrade
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yes, I understand, but he did mention the use of aas (not synthol) by pros in the 70's done correctly, producing localized permanent gains in the bodypart
Thats just a myth. If you shoot testosterone into your bicep, you won't gain an inch on your bi's
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my only answer would be..........if steroid injections in a specific bodypart caused localized growth, shouldnt most bodybuilders be walking around with huge asses?
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yeah, I know... still curious...
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Thats just a myth. If you shoot testosterone into your bicep, you won't gain an inch on your bi's
yes, I can vouch for that myself
gh15 mentioned it, it peaked my curiosity, thats all..
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How come you don't mention dianabol anymore gh15? For awhile that was one of the more important things in your writings.
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How come you don't mention dianabol anymore gh15? For awhile that was one of the more important things in your writings.
he seems to be in an EQ kick........
he never really mentioned EQ all that much before,
he used to say that you shouldnt use anything not human grade
but recently, he seems to be really big on it
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there are some contradictions, but always interesting, and no doubt he knows whats what
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there are some contradictions, but always interesting, and no doubt he knows whats what
EQ gets you lean andj vascular along with test tren and masteron, seems to be a very synergistic stack.
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EQ gets you lean andj vascular along with test tren and masteron, seems to be a very synergistic stack.
contradictions such as
nandrolone is king vs equipose is king, nandrolone is not important
dbol is be all, end all vs eq is be all end all
test is not necessary vs test is like drum beat in a song, essential
etc
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Thank you for the answer.
But how your family react when they understood that you wanted to become a pro bodybuilder ? I mean since most of bodybuilder start at young age, how your family react when they know you take drugs ?
And why did you become a pro bodybuilder ? what makes you want to be a bodybuilder ?
Thank you God
family did no approve,,then they said its bad for health ,,then they were more proud because i responded well and physiqe looked lean and big so it was quality and anyone like quality also quality usually can pass as low doses...ofcourse complete and utter lie but when you have quality and qualty can only be there when over 200lb at 10% or under with specific muscle condition...then and only then people start being ok with the use to some degree,,same like american football player deliver and on a lot of hormone btu since he deliver his usage is swept under the carpet,,
i becme professional because i had connection to legit product and responded very well to those product,,what made me want to be a bodybuilder was insecurity and girls ,,then later on it was love of lifting and narcsism when i coudnt pass by mirror with out looking at my physiqe ,,i got to be so good at observing my physiqe and others btu specifically mine ..that i could tell by one look how much lean muscle i was from top shape,,how much i had to lose ,,hwo much water weight i carried and how much bf i truly had,,in one look with specific position i could tell how well the products i was using were ,,i could tell how much quality my physiqe wqas lacking in comparrison to other times,,i nailed it down to 1-2 lb of lean muscle mass diff that i could tell .,,infact it got to a point that i could bring myself down to the same exact look BUT it always took the exact smae products and what it means was..,, if you lacked even one product ...you ended up looking worse ,,the thing with me was that i knew how much worse one looked like to the t ,,within 1lb of lean muscle diff ,,
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hey gh15, what do you think about just cruising on 250mg of test instead of going off between cycle..not talking about bbing purpose but just health... hormones would always be stable, no psychological feeling down bullshit..and as nice bonus you can keep more mass... only sides I can think of is, of course after a long long while you will probably lose the ability to produce your own test.. but who care you can get test anywhere.. second it may decrease the chance to have child.. but theres thousands of guys getting there wife pregno on TRT so... what you think about that
perfectly fine,,all naturals are on those doses,,fellas that dont even look liek they are bodybuilder are on those doses,,250 mg is natural lifter,,you cant grow on it as in good quiality grow,,what you can do with it is maintain sex drive and push it up a bit so your wifey or girl think yuore a freak,,in general the no test production by balls is balonie,,the only time you are in trouble is when yuo are dead,,as klong as your heart beats you can get yuor test back up natural test ,,hcg will do it faster,,hcg can take up to 2 years if youre a hairless human since they are more feminine,,if youre hairy fella 1 month of hcg will kick yoru natural test back to where it should be ,,if you were severe abuser add couple more months and you will be just finue,,look around you most of us bodybuilder have kidos and we abused the flying day light out of hormones and i mean ABUSED THE SHIT OUT OF THEM for months over months over years in HIGH DOSES
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the only reason he was raving about test deca dbol is because not everyone has the connection for good suppliers of tren, masteron, eq
he even said that test deca dbol are a lot easier to get human grade and not bunk UG garbage
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How come you don't mention dianabol anymore gh15? For awhile that was one of the more important things in your writings.
It sells good atm, now he has to get rid of his masteron stocks.
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What's the best EQ out there right now?
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What's the best EQ out there right now?
(http://www.cancunsteroids.com/equipoise10mf.jpg)
(http://www.angelfire.com/de3/decadurabolin/equipoise.jpg)
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home made is the best...
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well finally there's something to disagree with for me
it might be an individual thing, but my current bber physique was achieved on less doses than what i had used 1 year ago to get to the same point.
Infact every time i start cycling from zero again after a layoff i notice a big increase of muscle maturity and shape, and that is when using the same amounts or products
if my weight is 85kg and my arms are 45cm on X dose of dbol and Y dose of T in 2008
in 2009 on same doses, after a layoff of months and shrinking to acceptable oblivion, my weight would be 85kg and arms 45,5 or better, the whole body more muscular and mature
what is right though you become so obsessed with looks and weights I can/could nail down my weight to 200gr precise at any moment of the day
gh, i notice you speak in very past tense, always, how old are you really?
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When people talk about equipose paste what is that. I've had equipose but never a paste.
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Raw eq is a paste/liquid at room temperature. Since most eq is either vet gear or ug, it is common to see the raw material and extremely easy to home brew. 400mg holds in solution with just 2%ba. Add extra bb for decreased viscocity.
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perfectly fine,,all naturals are on those doses,,fellas that dont even look liek they are bodybuilder are on those doses,,250 mg is natural lifter,,you cant grow on it as in good quiality grow,,what you can do with it is maintain sex drive and push it up a bit so your wifey or girl think yuore a freak,,in general the no test production by balls is balonie,,the only time you are in trouble is when yuo are dead,,as klong as your heart beats you can get yuor test back up natural test ,,hcg will do it faster,,hcg can take up to 2 years if youre a hairless human since they are more feminine,,if youre hairy fella 1 month of hcg will kick yoru natural test back to where it should be ,,if you were severe abuser add couple more months and you will be just finue,,look around you most of us bodybuilder have kidos and we abused the flying day light out of hormones and i mean ABUSED THE SHIT OUT OF THEM for months over months over years in HIGH DOSES
gh15 approved
BOOM
If you don't abuse roids, you are not a real man
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Good post. I come off between cycles because I'm still in my twenties. Once im old enough ill run an amp a week of some good hg test year round.
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BOOM
If you don't abuse roids, you are not a real man
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BOOM
If you don't abuse roids, you are not a real man
You could say the same about smoking cigarettes and eating double cheeseburgers.
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Gh15 is Arnie lol
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family did no approve,,then they said its bad for health ,,then they were more proud because i responded well and physiqe looked lean and big so it was quality and anyone like quality also quality usually can pass as low doses...ofcourse complete and utter lie but when you have quality and qualty can only be there when over 200lb at 10% or under with specific muscle condition...then and only then people start being ok with the use to some degree,,same like american football player deliver and on a lot of hormone btu since he deliver his usage is swept under the carpet,,
i becme professional because i had connection to legit product and responded very well to those product,,what made me want to be a bodybuilder was insecurity and girls ,,then later on it was love of lifting and narcsism when i coudnt pass by mirror with out looking at my physiqe ,,i got to be so good at observing my physiqe and others btu specifically mine ..that i could tell by one look how much lean muscle i was from top shape,,how much i had to lose ,,hwo much water weight i carried and how much bf i truly had,,in one look with specific position i could tell how well the products i was using were ,,i could tell how much quality my physiqe wqas lacking in comparrison to other times,,i nailed it down to 1-2 lb of lean muscle mass diff that i could tell .,,infact it got to a point that i could bring myself down to the same exact look BUT it always took the exact smae products and what it means was..,, if you lacked even one product ...you ended up looking worse ,,the thing with me was that i knew how much worse one looked like to the t ,,within 1lb of lean muscle diff ,,
gh15 approved
Most will be impressed with the brutal honesty but it's the incredible degree of introspective self-awareness that is astounding.
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BOOM
If you don't abuse roids, you are not a real man
lolololol really
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boom
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it's all about test tren mast eq :D