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good for him
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I say the guy is full of shit,I say the guy knocked up his skank girlgfriend as is taking the easy way out.I also say,notice how these ladies dont do anything back while getting screamed at.I doubt Obamas band of SEIU thugs would do the same.
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and you make these observations by what information ???
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and you make these observations by what information ???
BECAUSE THE GUY IS HOLDING A CAMERA ON ABORTION PROTESTORS.iF HE WAS THAT UPSET ABOUT HIS SUPPOSEDLY STILL BORN KID,HE WOULDNT HAVE THE MIND SET TO FILM THE CONFRONTATION.pEOPLE WHO ARE TRULY SPSET DONT FILM THEIR ACTIONS.
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I say the guy is full of shit,I say the guy knocked up his skank girlgfriend as is taking the easy way out.I also say,notice how these ladies dont do anything back while getting screamed at.I doubt Obamas band of SEIU thugs would do the same.
wow ::) You're psychic too... The exact same thing happened to my sister in law but she was forced to carry it to term and deliver a dead baby. I'm full of shit too right?
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wow ::) I'm full of shit too right?
Base on 100% of your posts, I would say you are right.
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wow ::) You're psychic too... The exact same thing happened to my sister in law but she was forced to carry it to term and deliver a dead baby. I'm full of shit too right?
So lets do a stastical account of how many times this,incest and rape babies are aborted and compare it to how many are aborted because its an inconvieniance.
The same thing happened?Where is your film of abortion protestors screaming at your sister and you confronting them?
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Husband confronts abortion protesters
After activists yell at his wife outside a clinic, he gives them a piece of his mind and videotapes the whole thing Video
By Tracy Clark-Flory
YouTubeWe're used to seeing videos of anti-abortion activists spewing venom in front of women's clinics, but rarely do we get to see the tables turned. Thanks to Aaron Gouveia, now we do.
He and his 16-weeks-pregnant wife went to a women's clinic in Brookline, Mass. for an abortion after discovering that their baby had a congenital deformity with no chance for survival. On their way in, they were confronted by images of dismembered fetuses and two women yelling, "You're killing your unborn baby!" Enraged, Gouveia decided to confront the protesters while his wife was in surgery, and he caught the whole interaction on his cellphone. In an essay for The Good Men Project, he admits to feeling a bit "foolish for getting so heated" in the moment, but who can blame him? Not to mention, any foolishness on his part is overshadowed by the Christian protesters' decidedly un-Christ-like behavior.
The video, which you'll find below, is a reminder that reproductive rights isn't just a women's issue, and Gouveia's essay makes a simple, genderless plea: "If you’re able, stand up to these bullies in nonviolent ways. Speak out. And if you have a camera, use it."
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Husband confronts abortion protesters
After activists yell at his wife outside a clinic, he gives them a piece of his mind and videotapes the whole thing Video
By Tracy Clark-Flory
YouTubeWe're used to seeing videos of anti-abortion activists spewing venom in front of women's clinics, but rarely do we get to see the tables turned. Thanks to Aaron Gouveia, now we do.
He and his 16-weeks-pregnant wife went to a women's clinic in Brookline, Mass. for an abortion after discovering that their baby had a congenital deformity with no chance for survival. On their way in, they were confronted by images of dismembered fetuses and two women yelling, "You're killing your unborn baby!" Enraged, Gouveia decided to confront the protesters while his wife was in surgery, and he caught the whole interaction on his cellphone. In an essay for The Good Men Project, he admits to feeling a bit "foolish for getting so heated" in the moment, but who can blame him? Not to mention, any foolishness on his part is overshadowed by the Christian protesters' decidedly un-Christ-like behavior.
The video, which you'll find below, is a reminder that reproductive rights isn't just a women's issue, and Gouveia's essay makes a simple, genderless plea: "If you’re able, stand up to these bullies in nonviolent ways. Speak out. And if you have a camera, use it."
They actually believe that something like this can never happen. They think all babies come out with a chance for life and if you believe or know otherwise, you're just full of shit.
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So lets do a stastical account of how many times this,incest and rape babies are aborted and compare it to how many are aborted because its an inconvieniance.
The same thing happened?Where is your film of abortion protestors screaming at your sister and you confronting them?
you're changing the subject. I'm not for abortion, but I'm really not for the idiots that want to force every baby to be born or be considered a murderer ::)
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you're changing the subject. I'm not for abortion, but I'm really not for the idiots that want to force every baby to be born or be considered a murderer ::)
Thayts fine,Im not against unions but I wont tolerate them yelling at me when they protest.Now,where is the evidense that these women yelled at anyone?
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Thayts fine,Im not against unions but I wont tolerate them yelling at me when they protest.Now,where is the evidense that these women yelled at anyone?
you need evidense that anti abortion people usually show graphic pictures and call people murderers? Come on, don't be fucking stupid. We all know they do that all the time, now you need to see it or this dude is full of shit? lol...
Billy, if this were you and your lady had to deal with a baby that couldn't live and you had to walk by someone calling you and your lady a murderer, we all know your reaction would have been to rip their heads off and skull fuck them. So don't tell me what this guy did was overkill ::) All the guy did was tell them off... big fucking deal...
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They actually believe that something like this can never happen. They think all babies come out with a chance for life and if you believe or know otherwise, you're just full of shit.
The dad in the video definitely has a point. My heart seriously goes out to him.
However, the reason him and his wife are having the abortion is the exception rather than the norm. If all abortions were performed for those kinds of reasons I personally would look at abortion differently. But the cold hard truth is people have abortions because its fucking convenient. No other reason.
FACT: More than 1 out of 3 women in the U.S. have an abortion by the time they are 45 years old.
Abortion has become ridiculous. Over a million a year? Really? Seriously? I believe that the pro choice people who battled for Roe v Wade had their heart in the right place. They were fighting for people like the man and his wife in this video.
Our country then took a decent thing and turned it into a fucking sick joke. It is unfortunate that the people who Roe v Wade was intended for are now paying for the misdeeds of irresponsible assholes who refuse to practice safe sex because they don't give a fuck.
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The dad in the video definitely has a point. My heart seriously goes out to him.
However, the reason him and his wife are having the abortion is the exception rather than the norm. If all abortions were performed for those kinds of reasons I personally would look at abortion differently. But the cold hard truth is people have abortions because its fucking convenient. No other reason.
FACT: More than 1 out of 3 women in the U.S. have an abortion by the time they are 45 years old.
Abortion has become ridiculous. Over a million a year? Really? Seriously? I believe that the pro choice people who battled for Roe v Wade had their heart in the right place. They were fighting for people like the man and his wife in this video.
Our country then took a decent thing and turned it into a fucking sick joke. It is unfortunate that the people who Roe v Wade was intended for are now paying for the misdeeds of irresponsible assholes who refuse to practice safe sex because they don't give a fuck.
Good post.
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I'm not for abortions in general. what I do know is that many pro lifers think there is absolutely no exception for having an abortion and these are the laws they push for. That's my main beef. This guy had a right to be pissed. It's not like he attacked these women, he just chewed them out. If they're going to protest people they don't know, nobody should be shocked when a guy like this yells back.
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Just out of curiosity, where do people land on it here?
Do you believe there are any valid reasons for getting an abortion? Yes or No
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I'm not for abortions in general. what I do know is that many pro lifers think there is absolutely no exception for having an abortion and these are the laws they push for. That's my main beef. This guy had a right to be pissed. It's not like he attacked these women, he just chewed them out. If they're going to protest people they don't know, nobody should be shocked when a guy like this yells back.
Agreed. But the father in the video has to realize that out of the 10 people he is sitting with in the waiting room, 9 of them are getting the abortion because it is just not convenient for them, and almost half of them have been there before.
This is NOT what the decent hearted liberals were fighting for back in 1973.
Liberal today need to take a look at what they are defending. I think both sides get so wrapped up in fighting for an ideology that they forget what they, as individuals really believe in.
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Just out of curiosity, where do people land on it here?
Do you believe there are any valid reasons for getting an abortion? Yes or No
YES.
danger to the mother's life/health.
rape/incest
if the kid is really really young. too chickenshit to put an age down.
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YES.
danger to the mother's life/health.
rape/incest
if the kid is really really young. too chickenshit to put an age down.
I wouldn't personally be for the last one. I assume you mean teen pregnancy. I've become a lot more pro life after having a daughter. I just cant imagine killing a baby without a really serious reason. But serious, there are a lot of pro lifers that think there is no exception.
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The dad in the video definitely has a point. My heart seriously goes out to him.
However, the reason him and his wife are having the abortion is the exception rather than the norm. If all abortions were performed for those kinds of reasons I personally would look at abortion differently. But the cold hard truth is people have abortions because its fucking convenient. No other reason.
FACT: More than 1 out of 3 women in the U.S. have an abortion by the time they are 45 years old.
Abortion has become ridiculous. Over a million a year? Really? Seriously? I believe that the pro choice people who battled for Roe v Wade had their heart in the right place. They were fighting for people like the man and his wife in this video.
Our country then took a decent thing and turned it into a fucking sick joke. It is unfortunate that the people who Roe v Wade was intended for are now paying for the misdeeds of irresponsible assholes who refuse to practice safe sex because they don't give a fuck.
where did you get this figure
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These women probably consider themselves devout and compassionate christians yet somehow have no problem harrassing a woman who is no doubt in great emotion stress already as she's aborting a fetus of a child that she and her husband wanted to have.
Not only does this couple have to deal with the sadness and extreme emotional distress of aborting a fetus when they would prefer to keep it but they have put up with these bible thumping twats at the same time.
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where did you get this figure
Planned Parenthood's website. Honestly it seems high to me too. I think Planned Parenthood is trying to make it seem like "everyone is doing it" so they inflate that number. But in the end I think it just makes it seem worse. Also almost half of women who get abortions now are have gotten one before so that is probably why the stat seems high.
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Planned Parenthood's website. Honestly it seems high to me too. I think Planned Parenthood is trying to make it seem like "everyone is doing it" so they inflate that number. But in the end I think it just makes it seem worse. Also almost half of women who get abortions now are have gotten one before so that is probably why the stat seems high.
yeah - at first glance it seems way too high as well
I looked on their site briefly but couldn't find it
do you have a link the location on the site where you found this stat?
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you need evidense that anti abortion people usually show graphic pictures and call people murderers? Come on, don't be fucking stupid. We all know they do that all the time, now you need to see it or this dude is full of shit? lol...
Billy, if this were you and your lady had to deal with a baby that couldn't live and you had to walk by someone calling you and your lady a murderer, we all know your reaction would have been to rip their heads off and skull fuck them. So don't tell me what this guy did was overkill ::) All the guy did was tell them off... big fucking deal...
Sorry,me and my wife would have the baby.My wife would rather die then abort.Her mother had a baby they knew wasnt going to make it,it lived for about 22 minutes and she held untill it passed.You really dont understand what the other side believes just as you accuse me of not knowing your side.
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yeah - at first glance it seems way too high as well
I looked on their site briefly but couldn't find it
do you have a link the location on the site where you found this stat?
http://www.plannedparenthood.org/health-topics/abortion-4260.asp
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I looked on their site briefly but couldn't find it
do you have a link the location on the site where you found this stat?
Are you that lazy? Just click on the facts about abortion on the home page.
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Sorry,me and my wife would have the baby.My wife would rather die then abort.Her mother had a baby they knew wasnt going to make it,it lived for about 22 minutes and she held untill it passed.You really dont understand what the other side believes just as you accuse me of not knowing your side.
luckily in this country you are free to make that choice
just like eveyone else is free to make a choice in their own situation
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luckily in this country you are free to make that choice
just like eveyone else is free to make a choice in their own situation
i have to agree with strawman on this one.
But remember we're talking less than half of one percent of abortions are for reasons such as this. It's a drop in a bucket.
Let's call a spade a spade here. The main reason people have abortions in this country is because they like to fuck without a condom and they like the way it feels to cum all up inside a girl's pussy. Sorry, but that's just the plain simple fucking truth. Surprisingly, Planned Parenthood doesn't say anything about that on their website.
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Sorry,me and my wife would have the baby.My wife would rather die then abort.Her mother had a baby they knew wasnt going to make it,it lived for about 22 minutes and she held untill it passed.You really dont understand what the other side believes just as you accuse me of not knowing your side.
see bears, I told you there are a lot of these nut jobs running around. Here you have a loud mouthed blow hole shooting his mouth off and making judgements about what others should do in cases like this. The baby I saw delivered had virtually no brain and a head that was so large, the baby's head had to be collapsed to be delivered. And yes I was there and watched the whole thing and I'm not lying. But you have nutjobs like billyboy here that would be totally for laws forcing a mother to go through the extra trauma in cases like this. ::)
You're right billy, I don't understand the retarded shit you spew.
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http://www.plannedparenthood.org/health-topics/abortion-4260.asp
something about that 1 in 3 claim just doesn't make sense and I see no reference on the PP website to support this claim
that means 33% of all woman up to the age of 45 have had an abortion
per Wiki (yeah I know) reporting of abortions is not mandatory and statistics are of varying reliability. The Centers For Disease Control (CDC) regularly compiles these statistics.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_the_United_States#Number_of_abortions_in_United_States
Since 1973, over 45 million legal abortions have been performed in the United States
In 2000-2001, the rates among black and Hispanic women were 49 per 1,000 and 33 per 1,000, respectively, vs. 13 per 1,000 among non-Hispanic white women
a weighted average of this figures would be about 3% of woman getting an abortion
something doesn't add up
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see bears, I told you there are a lot of these nut jobs running around. Here you have a loud mouthed blow hole shooting his mouth off and making judgements about what others should do in cases like this. The baby I saw delivered had virtually no brain and a head that was so large, the baby's head had to be collapsed to be delivered. And yes I was there and watched the whole thing and I'm not lying. But you have nutjobs like billyboy here that would be totally for laws forcing a mother to go through the extra trauma in cases like this. ::)
You're right billy, I don't understand the retarded shit you spew.
Agreed. Unfortunately our choices are:
Choice 1
Allow the people who really need an abortion to have them but also allow 1.5 million other people to do it because they have no respect for creating a life and live likefucking animals and take no responsibility for their actions.
Choice 2
Ban all abortions and have nightmares happen like the above to people who do actually care about human life but are in a very horrible predicament that has no good ending.
If you can not see both sides to this debate you're simply a fucking idiot in my humble opinion.
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see bears, I told you there are a lot of these nut jobs running around. Here you have a loud mouthed blow hole shooting his mouth off and making judgements about what others should do in cases like this. The baby I saw delivered had virtually no brain and a head that was so large, the baby's head had to be collapsed to be delivered. And yes I was there and watched the whole thing and I'm not lying. But you have nutjobs like billyboy here that would be totally for laws forcing a mother to go through the extra trauma in cases like this. ::)
You're right billy, I don't understand the retarded shit you spew.
You sir are a retard.Have you EVER saw me EVER say Im for ANY law outlawimg abortions?Ever?Im for anti abortion people shooting abortion doctors dead in the street.I figure after they kill about 40 or 50 the others will get the idea to stop killing babies.We started with Slepian,then Tiller,we need about 40 more or so.Im not for any law concerning abortion rights.Im for bombing the clinics,shooting the doctors and perhaps putting a few bullets into the head of people like those on MSNBC who promote abortion starting with Maddow and working our way down.
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You sir are a retard.Have you EVER saw me EVER say Im for ANY law outlawimg abortions?Ever?Im for anti abortion people shooting abortion doctors dead in the street.I figure after they kill about 40 or 50 the others will get the idea to stop killing babies.We started with Slepian,then Tiller,we need about 40 more or so.Im not for any law concerning abortion rights.Im for bombing the clinics,shooting the doctors and perhaps putting a few bullets into the head of people like those on MSNBC who promote abortion starting with Maddow and working our way down.
so you're saying you're for the murder of law abiding citizens
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Agreed. Unfortunately our choices are:
Choice 1
Allow the people who really need an abortion to have them but also allow 1.5 million other people to do it because they have no respect for creating a life and live likefucking animals and take no responsibility for their actions.
Choice 2
Ban all abortions and have nightmares happen like the above to people who do actually care about human life but are in a very horrible predicament that has no good ending.
If you can not see both sides to this debate you're simply a fucking idiot in my humble opinion.
that's bullshit, there's no reason you have to force one of those two options. There's no reason medical exceptions can't be made other than the groups that apply pressure that they can't be made.
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that's bullshit, there's no reason you have to force one of those two options. There's no reason medical exceptions can't be made other than the groups that apply pressure that they can't be made.
you're treading very dangerous ground there man. Are you going to tell a woman that the woman next to her can have an abortion but she cannot?
The fact is you either have to let everyone or no one. Currently we let everyone.
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BECAUSE THE GUY IS HOLDING A CAMERA ON ABORTION PROTESTORS.iF HE WAS THAT UPSET ABOUT HIS SUPPOSEDLY STILL BORN KID,HE WOULDNT HAVE THE MIND SET TO FILM THE CONFRONTATION.pEOPLE WHO ARE TRULY SPSET DONT FILM THEIR ACTIONS.
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you're treading very dangerous ground there man. Are you going to tell a woman that the woman next to her can have an abortion but she cannot?
The fact is you either have to let everyone or no one. Currently we let everyone.
I'm not telling anyone what to do. I'm just talking about my opinion. it is already dangerous ground and yes, laws can be witten that make exceptions. It's done all the time.
so now your with the radicals in saying, ban it all, no exceptions... It's almost like you have two seperate opinions in this thread.
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so you're saying you're for the murder of law abiding citizens
Hmmmmm,lets see,you voted for a man that started his political career in the living room of a guy who did the exact thing I'm advocating.Seems a bit odd that you would have a double standard like that.Laws mean nothing.In the middle east they stone women who have affairs that's the law.So we have some blood thirsty maniac doctors who break their Hippocratic oath and cause harm and murder the innocent and the law says its ok.Just like Barrack Hussein Obamas best friend DID, I ADVOCATE BREAKING THOSE LAWS TO DO WHAT IS RIGHT.
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Thayts fine,Im not against unions but I wont tolerate them yelling at me when they protest.Now,where is the evidense that these women yelled at anyone?
Evidence
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you need evidense that anti abortion people usually show graphic pictures and call people murderers? Come on, don't be fucking stupid. We all know they do that all the time, now you need to see it or this dude is full of shit? lol...
Billy, if this were you and your lady had to deal with a baby that couldn't live and you had to walk by someone calling you and your lady a murderer, we all know your reaction would have been to rip their heads off and skull fuck them. So don't tell me what this guy did was overkill ::) All the guy did was tell them off... big fucking deal...
Evidence....
I know it petty...just a bit...(no homo) anal
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see bears, I told you there are a lot of these nut jobs running around. Here you have a loud mouthed blow hole shooting his mouth off and making judgements about what others should do in cases like this. The baby I saw delivered had virtually no brain and a head that was so large, the baby's head had to be collapsed to be delivered. And yes I was there and watched the whole thing and I'm not lying. But you have nutjobs like billyboy here that would be totally for laws forcing a mother to go through the extra trauma in cases like this. ::)
You're right billy, I don't understand the retarded shit you spew.
Less Government Intrusion
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Evidence....
I know it petty...just a bit...(no homo) anal
i don't give a shit. I was actually looking at billy's post, but I really don't give a fucking rats ass if I botch a few words here and there. This wouldn't be the first time. This is a message board, not a fucking school room.
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i don't give a shit. I was actually looking at billy's post, but I really don't give a fucking rats ass if I botch a few words here and there. This wouldn't be the first time. This is a message board, not a fucking school room.
Lol...im fuckin with you...i spell awful
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I'm not telling anyone what to do. I'm just talking about my opinion. it is already dangerous ground and yes, laws can be witten that make exceptions. It's done all the time.
so now your with the radicals in saying, ban it all, no exceptions... It's almost like you have two seperate opinions in this thread.
Bears, I don't understand man. On one hand you say there are valid exceptions and on the other you say that there can't be any room to accomodate them. What gives?
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Hmmmmm,lets see,you voted for a man that started his political career in the living room of a guy who did the exact thing I'm advocating.Seems a bit odd that you would have a double standard like that.Laws mean nothing.In the middle east they stone women who have affairs that's the law.So we have some blood thirsty maniac doctors who break their Hippocratic oath and cause harm and murder the innocent and the law says its ok.Just like Barrack Hussein Obamas best friend DID, I ADVOCATE BREAKING THOSE LAWS TO DO WHAT IS RIGHT.
nice diversion
I was not aware that Ayers killed anyone though I'd personally like to kick him in the balls for dedicated a book to Sirhan Sirhan......but what's that got to do with the topic at hand.
Why can't you stay on point rather than trying to conflate Ayers with Abortion
Abortion has been legal in the US since 1973 and you're saying you'd advocate murdering law abiding citizens because you personally don't like that they are following the law
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nice diversion
I was not aware that Ayers killed anyone though I'd personally like to kick him in the balls for dedicated a book to Sirhan Sirhan......but what's that got to do with the topic at hand.
Why can't you stay on point rather than trying to conflate Ayers with Abortion
Abortion has been legal in the US since 1973 and you're saying you'd advocate murdering law abiding citizens because you personally don't like that they are following the law
Did I or did I not post this.
"I ADVOCATE BREAKING THOSE LAWS TO DO WHAT IS RIGHT."I would think that even a super lib could understand that,its pretty plain to see,but your a lib so let me put it another way.
I ADVOCATE THE KILLING OF ABORTION DOCTORS AND THE BOMBING OF ABORTION CLINICS BECAUSE THE PEOPLE COMMITTING ABORTIONS ARE NO DIFFERENT THEN NAZI DEATH CAMP DOCTORS,[who werent breaking any laws as well].Is that clear enough,did I make it clear enough?
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Let's call a spade a spade here. The main reason people have abortions in this country is because they like to fuck without a condom and they like the way it feels to cum all up inside a girl's pussy. Sorry, but that's just the plain simple fucking truth. Surprisingly, Planned Parenthood doesn't say anything about that on their website.
this....
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Bears, I don't understand man. On one hand you say there are valid exceptions and on the other you say that there can't be any room to accomodate them. What gives?
hugo do you advocate for the mans right to walk away from his responsibilities as a result of getting a girl pregnant?
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Did I or did I not post this.
"I ADVOCATE BREAKING THOSE LAWS TO DO WHAT IS RIGHT."I would think that even a super lib could understand that,its pretty plain to see,but your a lib so let me put it another way.
I ADVOCATE THE KILLING OF ABORTION DOCTORS AND THE BOMBING OF ABORTION CLINICS BECAUSE THE PEOPLE COMMITTING ABORTIONS ARE NO DIFFERENT THEN NAZI DEATH CAMP DOCTORS,[who werent breaking any laws as well].Is that clear enough,did I make it clear enough?
so you think you have the right to choose which laws to break?
Ok
so to clarify - if you don't agree with a law then you believe you are justified in killing innocent, law abiding citizens
If you truly believe this then you are giant pussy unless you get your fat ass out their and kill someone
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straw man do you agree that 99% of abortions are elective and not for medical reasons?
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hugo do you advocate for the mans right to walk away from his responsibilities as a result of getting a girl pregnant?
huh? why would you even ask me this question? Why would I advocate that? First, it's none of my business. I certainly can't go force some guy to stay with his woman. We have stuff for that in play, if he walks, he could end up paying child support for a long time. I guess if you're asking if I think a guy that walks away from his kids should pay child support, yea I do.
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Bears, I don't understand man. On one hand you say there are valid exceptions and on the other you say that there can't be any room to accomodate them. What gives?
hugo. there is a difference between what is right and wrong and what is enforceable and unenforceable. The problem with any law is that there will always be exceptions that don't necessarily fall on one side or the other of any law. Who is to decide what is an acceptable reason for an abortion? Everyone who ever got an abortion thinks that they have a valid reason for getting it. Who are you and I to tell anyone that they should not have one?
This is what conservatives were saying 35 years ago. They were saying that if we allow these people who were raped or whose lives were in peril because of their pregnancy to get abortions that it would inevitably lead to a slippery slope and millions of babies would be killed every year.
You know what liberals said? "You're a fucking bible thumping maniac! No one wants to get abortions just because its easy. Abortion will only be a last resort to all other alternatives. How dare you!!" Now there are 1.5 million last resorts a year in this country.
The entire pro choice side of the debate is based on lies. But conservatives knew all along that this was inevitable.
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huh? why would you even ask me this question? Why would I advocate that? First, it's none of my business. I certainly can't go force some guy to stay with his woman. We have stuff for that in play, if he walks, he could end up paying child support for a long time. I guess if you're asking if I think a guy that walks away from his kids should pay child support, yea I do.
just curious you seem to be for a woman being able to shirk her responsibility as a result of pregnancy so i wanted to here your stance on a mans right to do the same...
why do you feel its ok for a woman to walk away but not a man?
after all we give women the option so why do you deny the man the option?
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straw man do you agree that 99% of abortions are elective and not for medical reasons?
don't know
don't care
none of my business what other law abiding citizens due
that's between the woman and her doctor
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don't know
don't care
none of my business what other law abiding citizens due
that's between the woman and her doctor
so the only reason you agree with this is b/c its a law?
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just curious you seem to be for a woman being able to shirk her responsibility as a result of pregnancy so i wanted to here your stance on a mans right to do the same...
why do you feel its ok for a woman to walk away but not a man?
after all we give women the option so why do you deny the man the option?
can you show me anywhere where I said anything like that? The only thing I've said here is that it's ok imo for a woman who is going to be giving birth to a dead baby to terminate it before delivery. How would a mother like that be shirking her responsibility? ::)
So quotes please, where did I say anything like that?
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can you show me anywhere where I said anything like that? The only thing I've said here is that it's ok imo for a woman who is going to be giving birth to a dead baby to terminate it before delivery. How would a mother like that be shirking her responsibility? ::)
So quotes please, where did I say anything like that?
no need for the eye roll broham, I misunderstood then...I can agree with that train of thought as well
I thought you were for a womans right to have an elective abortion regardless of the health of the baby, are you?
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don't know
don't care
none of my business what other law abiding citizens due
that's between the woman and her doctor
Good thing you weren't around pre-civil rights movement.....
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so the only reason you agree with this is b/c its a law?
absolutely
that and it's none of my business what other people do or what decisions they make with their doctors.
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absolutely
that and it's none of my business what other people do or what decisions they make with their doctors.
ok so when abortions are outlawed again and it probably will in the future later rather than sooner, youre going to be ok with that b/c it is the law then?
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Good thing you weren't around pre-civil rights movement.....
LOL straw doesnt know what he is saying, he is simply saying that now b/c the law falls in line with his line of thought :D
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no need for the eye roll broham, I misunderstood then...I can agree with that train of thought as well
I thought you were for a womans right to have an elective abortion regardless of the health of the baby, are you?
sorry for the eye roll. no I'm not for that, but also I'm not about to go join the ranks of kill-em-all prolifers like Billy. I wouldn't be welcome. There's quite a few of them that think any exception is wrong. I know, this is not the first time I've told the story of what my sister in law had to go through and I always had a few attack me just on that basis so obviously there are a lot of prolifers that think there is no exception. Or as I have just found out, some that believe it's impossible to have laws with exceptions, even though there are countless laws across the country with exceptions in them. LOL, all I can do at this point is express my personal opinion. I'm not going to vote on this single issue or join up with militant prolifers.
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sorry for the eye roll. no I'm not for that, but also I'm not about to go join the ranks of kill-em-all prolifers like Billy. I wouldn't be welcome. There's quite a few of them that think any exception is wrong. I know, this is not the first time I've told the story of what my sister in law had to go through and I always had a few attack me just on that basis so obviously there are a lot of prolifers that think there is no exception. Or as I have just found out, some that believe it's impossible to have laws with exceptions, even though there are countless laws across the country with exceptions in them. LOL, all I can do at this point is express my personal opinion. I'm not going to vote on this single issue or join up with militant prolifers.
I agree but I think logically if youre against abortion b/c you feel its murder and the baby is innocent it doesnt really matter what the circumstances are b/c nothing change the reasons youre against abortion...
Now Im not one of those against abortions in any and all circumstances either but I can understand why those that feel that way feel thay way.
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LOL straw doesnt know what he is saying, he is simply saying that now b/c the law falls in line with his line of thought :D
Exactly. What an idiotic position to just say oh well, it's the law so I'll go along with it....good thing he wasn't relied on to ignite the Revolutionary War!! "Hell no, I'll just pay the taxes, it's the law!"
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Good thing you weren't around pre-civil rights movement.....
I'm not saying people can't protest
they can do whatever they want and other who disagree can do the same
when it comes to murdering law abiding citizens that's another story
Personally, I think the pro-choice people should do the same harassment to the anti-abortion crowed.
They should show up at rallies, take their photographs, follow them to their home, office, and church and harass them in the same manner (withing the law) that the anti-abortion crowd does to them.
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Exactly. What an idiotic position to just say oh well, it's the law so I'll go along with it....good thing he wasn't relied on to ignite the Revolutionary War!! "Hell no, I'll just pay the taxes, it's the law!"
great point
let me go find some laws that I don't like and I guess I'd be justified if I decide I need to murder people who are following laws that I don't personally agree with
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I'm not saying people can't protest
they can do whatever they want and other who disagree can do the same
when it comes to murdering law abiding citizens that's another story
Personally, I think the pro-choice people should do the same harassment to the anti-abortion crowed.
They should show up at rallies, take their photographs, follow them to their home, office, and church and harass them in the same manner (withing the law) that the anti-abortion crowd does to them.
Ha,ha,ha are you kidding?The pro life people learned that from the liberal protestors.The same people who march at pro abortion rallies are the same ones at gay rights parades,peta marches,anti-war marches, etc etc.Christ we have union members showing up at executives houses and intimidating their kids[notice they never show up at a house owned by someone like me.I wonder why?].
Please, the idea that the left isnt BY FAR the more guilty of this type of thing is a joke.Conservatives cant show up and speak at college campus' without getting food thrown in their faces.Tea party rallies have union pussies showing up intimidating old ladies [because they could never ever intimidate a man].The left invented this type of behavior.
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great point
let me go find some laws that I don't like I guess I'd be justified if I decide I need to murder people who are following laws that I don't personall agree with
You mean just like the weather underground did in the 60s with Obamas best friend leading them?
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You mean just like the weather underground did in the 60s with Obamas best friend leading them?
again - nothing to do with the topic at hand
if you have a problem with how the FBI dealt with Ayers then take it up with them but don't try to conflate the two topics
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great point
let me go find some laws that I don't like and I guess I'd be justified if I decide I need to murder people who are following laws that I don't personally agree with
What are you talking about "murdering people" I didn't see anybody in the vid murdered, it was simply a protest.....
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I am all for abortion.
I would rather subsidize 250 bucks for an abortion (even though the rate is about only 1 in 4 are subsidized by some government entity) than to have to pay for welfare for 18 years.
Go Abortions!
PS... less crime too because of them... It's a win/win.
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What are you talking about "murdering people" I didn't see anybody in the vid murdered, it was simply a protest.....
Billy was talking about murdering people
I've said that I think it's shitty that these women choose to harass other woman during a very emotional and stressful time in their lives without any clue of the individuaul circumstances but I don't think you'll find any comment by me saying they shouldn't be allowed to protest
I do think the protest is form of harassment and also interferes with business but we all know that's allowed in this country. I think pro-choice people should simply adopt the same tactics and target individual protestors and harass them at their home, place of work and church and where ever else they go.
Let see how they like it. I'm sure they won't have any objection to the tactic
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I am all for abortion.
I would rather subsidize 250 bucks for an abortion (even though the rate is about only 1 in 4 are subsidized by some government entity) than to have to pay for welfare for 18 years.
Go Abortions!
PS... less crime too because of them... It's a win/win.
so you think that abortion should be a tool to weed out the weak of society in order to make america better? interesting. you should read Mein Kampf. you would like it.
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I agree but I think logically if youre against abortion b/c you feel its murder and the baby is innocent it doesnt really matter what the circumstances are b/c nothing change the reasons youre against abortion...
Now Im not one of those against abortions in any and all circumstances either but I can understand why those that feel that way feel thay way.
I can't understand why anyone would feel there are no circumstances in which an abortion is ok. Those guys are nuts and I'm not going to even say I understand. I don't understand them. If the baby is going to be dead, there isn't much of a point to arguing for the life of that baby and the alternative of forcing that baby to be born is just forcing uneeded trauma on that mother. I've actually had some of these people tell me that the circumstances I'm talking about don't exsist, seriously...
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so you think that abortion should be a tool to weed out the weak of society in order to make america better? interesting. you should read Mein Kampf. you would like it.
I didn't say it should... I said it does.
Don't start going down the retarded "Nazi" line... that shit is played out. No one is Hitler... get over it. You have now lost all credibility.
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I can't understand why anyone would feel there are no circumstances in which an abortion is ok. Those guys are nuts and I'm not going to even say I understand. I don't understand them. If the baby is going to be dead, there isn't much of a point to arguing for the life of that baby and the alternative of forcing that baby to be born is just forcing uneeded trauma on that mother. I've actually had some of these people tell me that the circumstances I'm talking about don't exsist, seriously...
Of course they exist. Thats silly. But again i need to reiterate that those cirumstances exist for less than 1 out of every 150 abortions performed.
I think if the left would simply admit that abortion is being abused in this country the discourse between pro choice and pro life might be a little different and maybe even a little better. But that just will not happen. Even though everyone knows that it is being abused.
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I didn't say it should... I said it does.
Don't start going down the retarded "Nazi" line... that shit is played out. No one is Hitler... get over it. You have now lost all credibility.
How exactly does abortion weed out the weak?
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How exactly does abortion weed out the weak?
The lesser well to do.
Statistically, most abortions are performed on single unwed women... Who will most likely not be able to take care of a child in the manner it's needed... Whether it's because of money or lack of attention due to job requirements to survive.
As such, those children were they not aborted would be the ones most likely to commit crime.
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I didn't say it should... I said it does.
Don't start going down the retarded "Nazi" line... that shit is played out. No one is Hitler... get over it. You have now lost all credibility.
Or you just refuse to accept that that line of thinking that you so ignorantly display is EXACTLY what it sounds like. it's a stupid, ignorant defense for abortion that not even the most liberal politician would ever be SO STUPID to repeat in public. I've lost credibility? RIDICULOUS.
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Or you just refuse to accept that that line of thinking that you so ignorantly display is EXACTLY what it sounds like. it's a stupid, ignorant defense for abortion that not even the most liberal politician would ever be SO STUPID to repeat in public. I've lost credibility? RIDICULOUS.
Dude... What the hell is more conservative then giving people their choice to do what THEY want to do when it does not affect YOU?
You're the liberal trying to get into everyone else's business... not me.
RETARDED STATEMENTS.
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The lesser well to do.
Statistically, most abortions are performed on single unwed women... Who will most likely not be able to take care of a child in the manner it's needed... Whether it's because of money or lack of attention due to job requirements to survive.
As such, those children were they not aborted would be the ones most likely to commit crime.
That's a pretty broad brush. I think you're making at least two assumptions that I'm not sure are correct:
1. That most women who have abortions are on welfare, not too bright, uneducated, cannot support themselves, etc. Have you seen stats that show this?
2. That a significant number of aborted babies will not be productive members of society.
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That's a pretty broad brush. I think you're making at least two assumptions that I'm not sure are correct:
1. That most women who have abortions are on welfare, not too bright, uneducated, cannot support themselves, etc. Have you seen stats that show this?
2. That a significant number of aborted babies will not be productive members of society.
http://www.abortionfacts.com/reardon/statistics.asp
I'm simply giving the info.
Personally I've never had a child out of wed lock and never aborted any children... My 2 kids are great.
I'm just saying that statistically speaking, these are what is most likely to occur.
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Dude... What the hell is more conservative then giving people their choice to do what THEY want to do when it does not affect YOU?
You're the liberal trying to get into everyone else's business... not me.
RETARDED STATEMENTS.
i love it. in your previous post you state that abortion affects us in a positive way by eliminating future welfare cases. Now you are telling me that abortion does not affect us? I think in your angry tirade you're getting confused.
I am not out protesting. So no I am not getting into everyone else's business. I'm simply stating my opinion which you obviously refuse to accept. You ignorantly state that killing an unborn baby is OK because they usually fall into a certain demographic and the world is better off without them. At least Hugo is capable of having a rational discussion about the issue.
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i love it. in your previous post you state that abortion affects us in a positive way by eliminating future welfare cases. Now you are telling me that abortion does not affect us? I think in your angry tirade you're getting confused.
I am not out protesting. So no I am not getting into everyone else's business. I'm simply stating my opinion which you obviously refuse to accept. You ignorantly state that killing an unborn baby is OK because they usually fall into a certain demographic and the world is better off without them. At least Hugo is capable of having a rational discussion about the issue.
I'm saying that it doesn't affect YOU personally. If it does, then I'm sorry for your vagina.
Aren't you a conservative? Don't you believe in the Death penalty and locking people up?
You think that these kids who run the streets and are criminals are not at all a product of the environment in which they are raised?
You think that some of them would not be better off if they had not been born? You think the world wouldn't be?
Really?
You think that just because you're a person you provide some good to the greater good?
If you do, then you are the confused one. I'm being realistic about the world... Sorry it doesn't jive with you.
Some people do not provide anything to the world and are better off not in it.
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http://www.abortionfacts.com/reardon/statistics.asp
I'm simply giving the info.
Personally I've never had a child out of wed lock and never aborted any children... My 2 kids are great.
I'm just saying that statistically speaking, these are what is most likely to occur.
You're doing more than giving info. You're making assumptions that these aborted babies will not be good citizens, productive, etc.
I don't think the link you provided has reliable statistics. From the link:
The following material is taken from Appendix Two of Aborted Women: Silent No More by David C. Reardon (Loyola University Press, 1987).
Note, this was a survey of women who had some involvement with Women Exploited By Abortion, a peer support group for women who were experiencing negative post-abortion reaction. Because this is a self-selected sample of the those who had a "bad experience" these findings should not be interpreted as representative of a random sample of all women who have had abortions. What percentage of women have "bad experiences" such as those described herein remains unknown. (See Limitations on Post-Abortion Research: Why We Know So Little for a description of why post-abortion researchers have been unable to come up with even a crude estimate of how many women experience post-abortion problems.)
Despite the fact that this sample cannot be generalized to the whole population, the results do appear to be representative of the experiences of those women who do have difficulties after an abortion. This is a legitimate reference point in and of itself. This study is analogous to studying a group of patients who all becoming ill from, for example, an artificial sweetener. It is proper scientific method to study the symptoms and experiences of this group of "sick" patients. Only then can their "illness" be cataloged and a hypothesis be developed. Only after identifying the primary symptoms could one then go out and survey all users of the artificial sweetener to determine how widespread these symptoms may be. This latter stage is part of our ongoing work. In referring to the findings of this study, then, it would be most appropriate to say, for example, "Of women who report post-abortion problems, 53% felt 'forced' to abort by one or more other people, and 39% report feeling very much 'forced' to abort by others."
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You're doing more than giving info. You're making assumptions that these aborted babies will not be good citizens, productive, etc.
I don't think the link you provided has reliable statistics. From the link:
The following material is taken from Appendix Two of Aborted Women: Silent No More by David C. Reardon (Loyola University Press, 1987).
Note, this was a survey of women who had some involvement with Women Exploited By Abortion, a peer support group for women who were experiencing negative post-abortion reaction. Because this is a self-selected sample of the those who had a "bad experience" these findings should not be interpreted as representative of a random sample of all women who have had abortions. What percentage of women have "bad experiences" such as those described herein remains unknown. (See Limitations on Post-Abortion Research: Why We Know So Little for a description of why post-abortion researchers have been unable to come up with even a crude estimate of how many women experience post-abortion problems.)
Despite the fact that this sample cannot be generalized to the whole population, the results do appear to be representative of the experiences of those women who do have difficulties after an abortion. This is a legitimate reference point in and of itself. This study is analogous to studying a group of patients who all becoming ill from, for example, an artificial sweetener. It is proper scientific method to study the symptoms and experiences of this group of "sick" patients. Only then can their "illness" be cataloged and a hypothesis be developed. Only after identifying the primary symptoms could one then go out and survey all users of the artificial sweetener to determine how widespread these symptoms may be. This latter stage is part of our ongoing work. In referring to the findings of this study, then, it would be most appropriate to say, for example, "Of women who report post-abortion problems, 53% felt 'forced' to abort by one or more other people, and 39% report feeling very much 'forced' to abort by others."
If you have better statistics, I'm all for seeing them.
Most statistics are from either pro-life or pro-choice groups, so if you can find one that is bi-partisan on the issue, I'll be happy to read it.
This was the most down the middle thing I could find at any given time on short notice.
If you can refute it without any bias, i'll be happy to take that into account, however, until then, I stand by my belief that if most abortions are done to those who would grow up in higher crime areas or to parents who do not want them or couldn't take care of them properly, that my assertion is valid.
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I'm saying that it doesn't affect YOU personally. If it does, then I'm sorry for your vagina.
Aren't you a conservative? Don't you believe in the Death penalty and locking people up?
You think that these kids who run the streets and are criminals are not at all a product of the environment in which they are raised?
You think that some of them would not be better off if they had not been born? You think the world wouldn't be?
Really?
You think that just because you're a person you provide some good to the greater good?
If you do, then you are the confused one. I'm being realistic about the world... Sorry it doesn't jive with you.
Some people do not provide anything to the world and are better off not in it.
FUCK I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHERE TO START WITH THIS POST. I am conservative. No i don't believe that the death penalty is OK. Your ignorance is becoming more palpable with every post. Are you saying that the women who get abortions can not effectively raise a child? Have you ever met a woman who has had an abortion? I for one do not think that they would take very kindly to that ignorant ass statement.
I know you think that by your posts you are defending some liberal ideology but you're not. you're simply outing yourself as an insensitive blowhard who thinks he knows whats best for everyone. You think that the end justifies any means necessary and I do not agree. Hopefully no one like you ever reaches the oval office
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I am all for abortion.
I would rather subsidize 250 bucks for an abortion (even though the rate is about only 1 in 4 are subsidized by some government entity) than to have to pay for welfare for 18 years.
Go Abortions!
PS... less crime too because of them... It's a win/win.
but unless im mistaken youre also for a mans right to walk away which makes sense...you have ppl like straw that dont see the hypocrisey of giving the woman a choice but not the man...not suprising though b/c straw doesnt know exactly what hypocrisey means ;D
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FUCK I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHERE TO START WITH THIS POST. I am conservative. No i don't believe that the death penalty is OK. Your ignorance is becoming more palpable with every post. Are you saying that the women who get abortions can not effectively raise a child? Have you ever met a woman who has had an abortion? I for one do not think that they would take very kindly to that ignorant ass statement.
I know you think that by your posts you are defending some liberal ideology but you're not. you're simply outing yourself as an insensitive blowhard who thinks he knows whats best for everyone. You think that the end justifies any means necessary and I do not agree. Hopefully no one like you ever reaches the oval office
You answered two whole questions out of 5 I asked you... You can't start answering because it would cause you to actually think.
If a woman doesn't want a child at the time, and therefore gets an abortion, AT THE TIME, do you think if she couldn't get it, that she would be prepared or have the desire to effectively raise that child? There's a reason why she wants that abortion in the first place genius.\\
So not at the TIME of her abortion, no... she can not effectively raise the child, that's why she gets it.
Yes... I know women who have gotten abortions and because of the time, they could not take care of the child, so they got the abortion... LATER, when they were more prepared, then they had their children.
No, I don't think I know what's best for everyone, that's why I think people should be allowed the CHOICE for themselves.
You are so spacey it's pathetic.
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but unless im mistaken youre also for a mans right to walk away which makes sense...you have ppl like straw that dont see the hypocrisey of giving the woman a choice but not the man...not suprising though b/c straw doesnt know exactly what hypocrisey means ;D
Hell yes I am... If a woman can choose to get rid of the kid, then I should have the same right.
Either both parties can choose to not have to take care of the child, or neither can.
The fact it can be all up to "her" pisses me off to no end.
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Hell yes I am... If a woman can choose to get rid of the kid, then I should have the same right.
Either both parties can choose to not have to take care of the child, or neither can.
The fact it can be all up to "her" pisses me off to no end.
agreed and agreed...
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If you have better statistics, I'm all for seeing them.
Most statistics are from either pro-life or pro-choice groups, so if you can find one that is bi-partisan on the issue, I'll be happy to read it.
This was the most down the middle thing I could find at any given time on short notice.
If you can refute it without any bias, i'll be happy to take that into account, however, until then, I stand by my belief that if most abortions are done to those who would grow up in higher crime areas or to parents who do not want them or couldn't take care of them properly, that my assertion is valid.
No, I'm not going to look for stats to refute your assumptions. You should be able to step back and look at how broad your comments are. I'm not calling you Hitler at all, but if you take yourself out of the equation for the sake of discussion, bears does make a valid point. Saying that abortions weed out the week does come right out of the Nazi playbook. (No, I'm not calling you a Nazi.)
With some exceptions, it doesn't really matter to me what the source is, if the information is reliable. That link you provided by its own admission is not reliable.
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No, I'm not going to look for stats to refute your assumptions. You should be able to step back and look at how broad your comments are. I'm not calling you Hitler at all, but if you take yourself out of the equation for the sake of discussion, bears does make a valid point. Saying that abortions weed out the week does come right out of the Nazi playbook. (No, I'm not calling you a Nazi.)
With some exceptions, it doesn't really matter to me what the source is, if the information is reliable. That link you provided by its own admission is not reliable.
Sure, but that's like saying that putting criminals away in prisons are as well... It's really the same shit.
You think that society is better off without them... You're trying to say that I'm just trying to weed out undesirable people... No.
I'm saying that people should have the choice to determine whether or not they are themselves capable of making a desirable child / adult / person on their OWN.
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Sure, but that's like saying that putting criminals away in prisons are as well... It's really the same shit.
You think that society is better off without them... You're trying to say that I'm just trying to weed out undesirable people... No.
I'm saying that people should have the choice to determine whether or not they are themselves capable of making a desirable child / adult / person on their OWN.
I don't agree with that comparison. Criminals have made a conscience decision to break the law. They're adults who were given an opportunity to be good citizens, and failed. You can't make those assumptions about all aborted babies.
Just to reiterate from the link you provided: "Because this is a self-selected sample of the those who had a "bad experience" these findings should not be interpreted as representative of a random sample of all women who have had abortions."
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I don't agree with that comparison. Criminals have made a conscience decision to break the law. They're adults who were given an opportunity to be good citizens, and failed. You can't make those assumptions about all aborted babies.
Just to reiterate from the link you provided: "Because this is a self-selected sample of the those who had a "bad experience" these findings should not be interpreted as representative of a random sample of all women who have had abortions."
Potential parents make a conscious decision when they realize they do not have the desire or the resources to be a proper parent.
Yes... It's a self selected sample... but it's what we got.
If someone has a better sample, I'm all for it.
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You answered two whole questions out of 5 I asked you... You can't start answering because it would cause you to actually think.
If a woman doesn't want a child at the time, and therefore gets an abortion, AT THE TIME, do you think if she couldn't get it, that she would be prepared or have the desire to effectively raise that child? There's a reason why she wants that abortion in the first place genius.\\
So not at the TIME of her abortion, no... she can not effectively raise the child, that's why she gets it.
Yes... I know women who have gotten abortions and because of the time, they could not take care of the child, so they got the abortion... LATER, when they were more prepared, then they had their children.
No, I don't think I know what's best for everyone, that's why I think people should be allowed the CHOICE for themselves.
You are so spacey it's pathetic.
TU you're a fucking birdbath . YOU ARE SO FUCKING TYPICAL IT MAKES ME WANT TO VOMIT.
You are the definitely the voice of this new generation. You are devoid of any moral standing or backbone on this issue. You can rationalize any killing of any unborn baby. Back in 1973 everyone, conservatives AND liberals, were in agreement that there should at least be a reason to kill an unborn baby.
Now it has come to the point where if the baby was killed, that is reason enough. Do me a favor and think a little further past the tip of your own nose for a second. You are relieving every person from any personal responsibility towards any life that they create. THAT IS WRONG. How you don’t see that just proves how vapid you really are.
Personally I feel bad for our new generation of young men who have to come up in this world. what I will tell my sons is that sex is for adults. If you want to do adult things. be ready to accept adult consequences. its people like you who ruin kids by making them devoid of any real responsibility. Why should these kids worry about pregnancy when they hear every day on their television set that it is OK to have an abortion. They are hearing over and over again that what they created is not a life. its just tissue. why should they feel any responsibilty towards a piece of tissue? I honestly feel bad for this generation. we have bunch of parents who are teaching them not to take responsibility for their actions and to villify anyone who thinks that they should. sad.
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Personally I think abortion is an abhorrent and barbaric practice, and if asked would advise anyone against it. On the other hand each person has to make the decision for themselves and accept the consequences of said actions.
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Hell yes I am... If a woman can choose to get rid of the kid, then I should have the same right.
Either both parties can choose to not have to take care of the child, or neither can.
The fact it can be all up to "her" pisses me off to no end.
it's all up to her because she's the one who has to take all the risk (including death) of being pregnant
too bad there is not a way to transfer the fetus to the father and let him carry it and give birth
then both parties would be equal
until then the woman has the extra option because she has the extra burden
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you're treading very dangerous ground there man. Are you going to tell a woman that the woman next to her can have an abortion but she cannot?
The fact is you either have to let everyone or no one. Currently we let everyone.
Just one more question on this. So, if the laws on abortion were written to your liking, it would be illegal even for a mother to abort when a doctor has determined the mothers life is in danger from the pregnancy? You would be ok with forcing things like ectopic pregnancies to continue. All or nothing right?
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Just one more question on this. So, if the laws on abortion were written to your liking, it would be illegal even for a mother to abort when a doctor has determined the mothers life is in danger from the pregnancy? You would be ok with forcing things like ectopic pregnancies to continue. All or nothing right?
Why is it that pro choice people always try to put words in my mouth?
In a previous post I EXPLICTLY STATED that in cases of rape/incest, danger to the mother's health, or if the kid is just so damn young, I think abortion is a viable, MORAL option.
When I say all or nothing what I mean is that you cannot enforce a law that examines abortion on a case by case basis. It is logistically impossible. Every person that gets an abortion can give you a reason that killing the baby is better than them not having it. You cannot possibly weed out the people who deserve abortions from those who do not. Fuck, if someone is thinking about killing their baby, should they then raise it?
So to answer your question, in my perfect world, men and women would take responsibility for the lives that they create. If something were to happen similar to the case that this thread was originally talking about, then I believe that an abortion is acceptable.
Roe v Wade was passed for this reason. So that people in those kinds of situations had an option. The law has been abused by people who think along the same lines as TU in that abortion is NOT a last resort. It is now a form of birth control.
And TU takes it a step further and wants to present abortion as something that contributes to the greater good of society. It is this line of reasoning (if thats what you want to call it) that I take issue with. This is exactly what conservatives were worried about back in 1973. Liberals told them that they were fucking nuts and that there is no way that our country's moral compass would ever reach that kind of low. Well look where we are now.
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Why is it that pro choice people always try to put words in my mouth?
In a previous post I EXPLICTLY STATED that in cases of rape/incest, danger to the mother's health, or if the kid is just so damn young, I think abortion is a viable, MORAL option.
When I say all or nothing what I mean is that you cannot enforce a law that examines abortion on a case by case basis. It is logistically impossible. Every person that gets an abortion can give you a reason that killing the baby is better than them not having it. You cannot possibly weed out the people who deserve abortions from those who do not. Fuck, if someone is thinking about killing their baby, should they then raise it?
So to answer your question, in my perfect world, men and women would take responsibility for the lives that they create. If something were to happen similar to the case that this thread was originally talking about, then I believe that an abortion is acceptable.
Roe v Wade was passed for this reason. So that people in those kinds of situations had an option. The law has been abused by people who think along the same lines as TU in that abortion is NOT a last resort. It is now a form of birth control.
And TU takes it a step further and wants to present abortion as something that contributes to the greater good of society. It is this line of reasoning (if thats what you want to call it) that I take issue with. This is exactly what conservatives were worried about back in 1973. Liberals told them that they were fucking nuts and that there is no way that our country's moral compass would ever reach that kind of low. Well look where we are now.
Who the fuck made you the moral police..
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Who the fuck made you the moral police..
this is a thread where we discuss OUR OPINIONS on the morality of abortion. If you cannot handle hearing someone elses opinion GET THE FUCK OUT OF THIS THREAD.
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Who the fuck made you the moral police..
question. do you really think my opinion is that out of touch? what is wrong with expecting people to take responsibility for lives that they created?
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this is a thread where we discuss OUR OPINIONS on the morality of abortion. If you cannot handle hearing someone elses opinion GET THE FUCK OUT OF THIS THREAD.
I think its immoral that you typed fuck...lets make a law against it
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question. do you really think my opinion is that out of touch? what is wrong with expecting people to take responsibility for lives that they created?
Nothing wrong with your opinion. Only selfish, conceited, morally bankrupt individuals would consider your opinion out of the realm of common sense.
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Why is it that pro choice people always try to put words in my mouth?
In a previous post I EXPLICTLY STATED that in cases of rape/incest, danger to the mother's health, or if the kid is just so damn young, I think abortion is a viable, MORAL option.
When I say all or nothing what I mean is that you cannot enforce a law that examines abortion on a case by case basis. It is logistically impossible. Every person that gets an abortion can give you a reason that killing the baby is better than them not having it. You cannot possibly weed out the people who deserve abortions from those who do not. Fuck, if someone is thinking about killing their baby, should they then raise it?
So to answer your question, in my perfect world, men and women would take responsibility for the lives that they create. If something were to happen similar to the case that this thread was originally talking about, then I believe that an abortion is acceptable.
Roe v Wade was passed for this reason. So that people in those kinds of situations had an option. The law has been abused by people who think along the same lines as TU in that abortion is NOT a last resort. It is now a form of birth control.
And TU takes it a step further and wants to present abortion as something that contributes to the greater good of society. It is this line of reasoning (if thats what you want to call it) that I take issue with. This is exactly what conservatives were worried about back in 1973. Liberals told them that they were fucking nuts and that there is no way that our country's moral compass would ever reach that kind of low. Well look where we are now.
A. I don't consider myself prochoice, you consider me pro choice because I think there are exceptions like if the baby is going to be dead on arrival anyway. So I'm pro sane.
B. I didn't put words in your mouth, when I asked you about what seemed to be a contradiction in thinking: (there are valid reasons for an abortion vs. everyone or no one.) You appeared to advocate that you might believe there are exceptions but they are not enforceable: QUOTE from you: "there is a difference between what is right and wrong and what is enforceable and unenforceable. The problem with any law is that there will always be exceptions that don't necessarily fall on one side or the other of any law.
Now you know the only exceptions I have been talking about the whole time are the extreme things like the baby will be dead, the mother will die etc. So as you see, I didn't put any words in your mouth.
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Nothing wrong with your opinion. Only selfish, conceited, morally bankrupt individuals would consider your opinion out of the realm of common sense.
Why is it that pro choice people always try to put words in my mouth?
In a previous post I EXPLICTLY STATED that in cases of rape/incest, danger to the mother's health, or if the kid is just so damn young, I think abortion is a viable, MORAL option.
When I say all or nothing what I mean is that you cannot enforce a law that examines abortion on a case by case basis. It is logistically impossible. Every person that gets an abortion can give you a reason that killing the baby is better than them not having it. You cannot possibly weed out the people who deserve abortions from those who do not. Fuck, if someone is thinking about killing their baby, should they then raise it?
So to answer your question, in my perfect world, men and women would take responsibility for the lives that they create. If something were to happen similar to the case that this thread was originally talking about, then I believe that an abortion is acceptable.
Roe v Wade was passed for this reason. So that people in those kinds of situations had an option. The law has been abused by people who think along the same lines as TU in that abortion is NOT a last resort. It is now a form of birth control.
And TU takes it a step further and wants to present abortion as something that contributes to the greater good of society. It is this line of reasoning (if thats what you want to call it) that I take issue with. This is exactly what conservatives were worried about back in 1973. Liberals told them that they were fucking nuts and that there is no way that our country's moral compass would ever reach that kind of low. Well look where we are now.
Cry babies... That's what you guys are... a bunch of crybabies.
Abortion is so fucking done... It's legal... It's used.
Why do people continue to bitch about it? People don't sit around bitching about Capital Punishment like this and the end result is the same. Bottom line is that on abortion, conservatives are some whiners.
You lost this one... move on.