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The lid is going to completly blow off this thing pretty soon.
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Its coming here with public employees when they realize their pensions are gone and they get laid off because they have been living in fantasy land for far too long.
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That's Obama's vision for the USA.
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That's Obama's vision for the USA.
Maybe, but I believe it is going to be the natural result of his prolifigate maddoffian schemes and scams.
This govt is so reckless, so obscene, so deranged and demented, so lustful of power, control and our money, that if and when it happens here, i will not at all be unhappy if a few politicians get Mussolini treatment.
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Its coming here with public employees when they realize their pensions are gone and they get laid off because they have been living in fantasy land for far too long.
Unlikely.
Public employee union workers will be the last ones around that actually have jobs. They have an limitless well from which to draw cash and benefits from.
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Unlikely.
Public employee union workers will be the last ones around that actually have jobs. They have an limitless well from which to draw cash and benefits from.
Jerry Brown is now admitting a disaster California is. hhhmmm why did he not admit that during the campaign?
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Change we can believe in!
(pssst- It's wall streets fault) ::)
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Jerry Brown is now admitting a disaster California is. hhhmmm why did he not admit that during the campaign?
All talk at this point. Let's see what he actually does.
Illegals and public unions (and dumbfuck voters) have diseased this state beyond repair.
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Change we can believe in!
(pssst- It's wall streets fault) ::)
Its called - Socialism/Communism/Welfarism/Big Govt'ism/Nanny Statism/Progressivism etc etc always ends in failure and collapse.
We will have the same thing here soon enough. The only reason we havenot had a collapse yet is because we have a central bank to print phantom money to keep the ponzi scheme alive.
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That will never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, come to the US.
We're too passive and contempt with our system of privilege.
Greeks have balls.
We don't (plus we have a government that will not hesitate a single second if it needs to turn on its people).
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True. They will go waco on us easily.
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True. They will go waco on us easily.
And just to bring a personal point into the subject... me wife is a public employee. Has been for a while. No one, and I mean, no one, will work for the public sector unless you give them something extra. She is making, easily, 65% of what she could be making in the private sector. The only difference are the pension perks. You take that away and see how fast the cities lose employees. And not to mention funds, because a huge % of the retirement funds out there are invested back in the city. No one else will buy municipal (bonds) shit. Only the "evil" public employees do.
Back in 1998, when she graduated and made the decision to go into the NYC public system her friends were like "what in the world! No! You're about to make the biggest mistake of your life!". Now, they only WISH they had gotten into the system themselves.
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And just to bring a personal point into the subject... me wife is a public employee. Has been for a while. No one, and I mean, no one, will work for the public sector unless you give them something extra. She is making, easily, 65% of what she could be making in the private sector. The only difference are the pension perks. You take that away and see how fast the cities lose employees. And not to mention funds, because a huge % of the retirement funds out there are invested back in the city. No one else will buy municipal (bonds) shit. Only the "evil" public employees do.
Back in 1998, when she graduated and made the decision to go into the NYC public system her friends were like "what in the world! No! You're about to make the biggest mistake of your life!". Now, they only WISH they had gotten into the system themselves.
A public school janitor can make an additional 35% in total income if they worked in the private sector?
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If these Greeks loved working as much as they do rioting their country wouldn't be on the verge of defaulting on its bailout. Fuck them.
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If these Greeks loved working as much as they do rioting their country wouldn't be on the verge of defaulting on its bailout. Fuck them.
The Greeks are not stupid. They know a bad card as soon as one is dealt to them. We, Gringos, don't have that. It's as simple as that.
What has happened all over the world, thanks to this economic "crisis" is that, to use the car analogy, all governments forced people (and I say "forced" because when you make all other options incredibly expensive it's not really an option, they're actively forcing you into a decision) to buy cars, then they flooded the street with cheap gas and... let's just say that when it came time to pass another incredible, mindblowing, amount of money to the richest 5%, they pulled the carpet under the other 95% of the population by making gas either very expensive or not producing enough, which is the equivalent of saying "Psssssyche!! Fuck you 95%!!". And the media did it's job of devil's advocate by selling the "it's your fault 95%, you want too much of the American Dream".
I tell you, the USA is about 3 or 4 economic bubbles away from a communist state (which I'd despise by the way).
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What amazes me about the USA is that immense fortunes are channeled/funneled from 95% of the population to a ruling 5% elite every day of the week. And Americans don't seem to care. Don't give a hoot.
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What amazes me about the USA is that immense fortunes are channeled/funneled from 95% of the population to a ruling 5% elite every day of the week. And Americans don't seem to care. Don't give a hoot.
go start a business and run it successfully...
what makes you think you should be entitled to a big portion of their profits when you take little to no risk?
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Its coming here with public employees when they realize their pensions are gone and they get laid off because they have been living in fantasy land for far too long.
Oh please dude.......what's going on in Greece has fuck all to do with unioners and public employees........and everything to do with their corrupt government bankrupting their fucking country and spending everyone into debt. Godbless the Greeks........as usual they have balls to actually rise up and do something about their government. Look at the English college kids. Rising up! The French....rise up! What does America do? We let our government pass a $725 billion defense budget. LMAO! A fucking joke we have become nowadays. That's ok it's the weekend and most will be plopping their lard ass in front of the televesion to watch their favorite professional sports team while they collect their unemployment.
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Its called - Socialism/Communism/Welfarism/Big Govt'ism/Nanny Statism/Progressivism etc etc always ends in failure and collapse.
We will have the same thing here soon enough. The only reason we havenot had a collapse yet is because we have a central bank to print phantom money to keep the ponzi scheme alive.
::) Do you even fucking understand the difference between socialism and fascism? We don't need socialism or communism dude........we have been a fascist nation for a long time now. When you have a government that taxes its people and funnels that money to the private sector you have fascism. I love how people throw around terms like socialism and communism and say the US is going to be this or that..........most of the time they have no fucking clue what either mean. The private sector in America is as propped up by government as the public sector. You just don't want to admit it. 70% of our intelligence budget is funneled into private companies. Look at our defense industry.......look at agriculture..........loo k at banking and finance.............TONS of private industry is propped up by government so for anyone to glorify how "free market" the American economy is are total retards. And it was this way wel before Obutthead got into office.
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What amazes me about the USA is that immense fortunes are channeled/funneled from 95% of the population to a ruling 5% elite every day of the week. And Americans don't seem to care. Don't give a hoot.
LOL........yeah it's crazy........Americas are so fucking clueless.......they live under this false pretense of capitalism and the free market and wonder why unemployment is going up, our infrastructure is crumbling......the banks are getting bailed out, real estate is collapsing etc..........LOL........ ....The US government is one big corporation unanswerable to the people and propping up the rich and mega corporations.
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go start a business and run it successfully...
what makes you think you should be entitled to a big portion of their profits when you take little to no risk?
Well, run an economy based on risk (instead of production and innovation) and see how far that takes you. You know, the middle class is pretty much toast in America nowadays. Keep running the economy the way we are and eventually the % of poor Gringos will increase to the point of no return.
The main problem for the George Soros and Warren Buffets is that many Americans own guns. And they know how to use them too.
We might've lost the ability to tell when someone has rammed something big and spiky up our asses, but we sure know when the emperor is naked.
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Well, run an economy based on risk (instead of production and innovation) and see how far that takes you. You know, the middle class is pretty much toast in America nowadays. Keep running the economy the way we are and eventually the % of poor Gringos will increase to the point of no return.
The main problem for the George Soros and Warren Buffets is that many Americans own guns. And they know how to use them too.
We might've lost the ability to tell when someone has rammed something big and spiky up our asses, but we sure know when the emperor is naked.
LOL dont get it mixed up broham im not in favor of big bail outs for the "to big to fail" bull shit but you still havent given a reason or even justification for the idea that you should get paid more for doing the same job...
if its their company and you dont like it go work somewhere else...BETTER YET go start your own company with your ideals, I mean Ill come work for you if im going to get 15% of the companies profits
Im sure our production would be through the roof, right?
Ill be waiting for that pm on when you will pay my moving costs to come work for you ;)
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I mean, Big Business has figured out a way to redirect American's concerns and demands to a government that is pretty much "ceremonial" to some degree.
The US government does two things very well: Collect taxes and start wars.
They've basically outsourced the economy to a handfull of banks and financial institutions they call "the market".
It's amazing. People really believe they have a chance to become part of the 5%. They sure give up a hell of a lot in return though.
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I mean, Big Business has figured out a way to redirect American's concerns and demands to a government that is pretty much "ceremonial" to some degree.
The US government does two things very well: Collect taxes and start wars.
They've basically outsourced the economy to a handfull of banks and financial institutions they call "the market".
It's amazing. People really believe they have a chance to become part of the 5%. They sure give up a hell of a lot in return though.
the govt shouldnt run the economy PERIOOOOOODD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
you still have not given ONE reason, NOT EVEN ONE to why you should be given more money for doing the same job....
you sound like a disgruntled worker bro, again GO OUT AND START YOUR OWN BUSINESS IF THATS THE WAY YOU FEEL
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The Greeks are not stupid. They know a bad card as soon as one is dealt to them. We, Gringos, don't have that. It's as simple as that.
What has happened all over the world, thanks to this economic "crisis" is that, to use the car analogy, all governments forced people (and I say "forced" because when you make all other options incredibly expensive it's not really an option, they're actively forcing you into a decision) to buy cars, then they flooded the street with cheap gas and... let's just say that when it came time to pass another incredible, mindblowing, amount of money to the richest 5%, they pulled the carpet under the other 95% of the population by making gas either very expensive or not producing enough, which is the equivalent of saying "Psssssyche!! Fuck you 95%!!". And the media did it's job of devil's advocate by selling the "it's your fault 95%, you want too much of the American Dream".
I tell you, the USA is about 3 or 4 economic bubbles away from a communist state (which I'd despise by the way).
What does this rambling, raving, idiotic post have to do with Greece, which is a failed socialist experiment?
The Greeks are incredibly stupid. Their little socialist experiment failed spectacularly and they had to go crawling to Germany on their hands and knees for a bailout. Now they're crying because they don't want to fix their broken system and want to continue living their lives of lethargy collecting their fat government benefits. Given that you're a socialist I know it will be hard for you to come to grips with the fact that it fails anywhere and everywhere but Greece is just another in a long line of examples.
Socialism does not, nor will it ever, work. Out of curiosity, though, just how much charitable work helping the downtrodden man do you do? I'd put a gun to my head and take the bet that you do jack shit like the typical socialist scumbag. Most socialist dreams of helping the common man extend only to spending other's money and then it stops there.
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Slapper you are a tumbling dickweed.
Greeks are European, hence white, hence gringos.
The disaster in Greece has everything to do with incompatent governing, the nanny state and public employees that are too lazy or stupid to care of themselves.
Just to give you an idea of how badly Greece was run prior to this crisis; Less than a year ago the air traffic controllers in Greece went on strike because the government refused to intervene and spend the money necessary to prevent interference over the airwaves from local radio stations.
I could go down the line with 100 other similar stories of outright retardation, but a genital wart liberal such as yourself would probably applaud the idiocy of the Greek government and people as "noble" and something America should follow.
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Slapper you are a tumbling dickweed.
Greeks are European, hence white, hence gringos.
The disaster in Greece has everything to do with in compatent governing, the nanny state and public employees that are too lazy or stupid to care of themselves.
Just to give you an idea of how badly Greece was run prior to this crisis; Less than a year ago the air traffic controllers in Greece went on strike because the government refused to intervene and spend the money necessary to prevent interference over the airwaves from local radio stations.
I could go down the line with 100 other similar stories of outright retardation, but a genital wart liberal such as yourself would probably applaud the idiocy of the Greek government and people as "noble" and something America should follow.
;D
I remember Slapper talking about his investment portfolio. Why doesn't he act like the socialist he claims to be and donate any money beyond what he needs to live to charity? Oh, that's right, it's other's money that he loves spending! Silly me.
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the govt shouldnt run the economy PERIOOOOOODD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
you still have not given ONE reason, NOT EVEN ONE to why you should be given more money for doing the same job....
you sound like a disgruntled worker bro, again GO OUT AND START YOUR OWN BUSINESS IF THATS THE WAY YOU FEEL
........you don't think the government runs the economy in the USA? Wake the fuck up and pull your head out of your ass. America doesn't have a free market any more than Greece, France, or China does dumbass. Regardless of your political views how can your or any sane, informed, America argue otherwise? American government has been supporting industry and private companies for the last 100 years. What the fuck do you think our $700 billion defense budget is spent on? What do you think farm subsidies are? What do you think the bank bailouts are? Jesus fuck dude........that is the entire problem with America ........idiots like you calling a fucking spade a joker. You don't even sound like you know the fucking differene between fascism, capitalism, and socialism.
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Listen to the nurse, folks. He knows all (as he constantly points out, time and time and time again).
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And most of these politicall and economic arguments are completely moot without talking about the federal reserve. That right there is the perfect example of hose fascism works. Not socialism. The US government taxes its people in order to bail out and support business through the corrupt and private FED. How can you call that a free market? LMAO!
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Listen to the nurse, folks. He knows all (as he constantly points out, time and time and time again).
::) Defaulting back to me being a nurse has what being on this conversation? Attack my points not what I do for a living dumbshit.
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........you don't think the government runs the economy in the USA? Wake the fuck up and pull your head out of your ass. America doesn't have a free market any more than Greece, France, or China does dumbass. Regardless of your political views how can your or any sane, informed, America argue otherwise? American government has been supporting industry and private companies for the last 100 years. What the fuck do you think our $700 billion defense budget is spent on? What do you think farm subsidies are? What do you think the bank bailouts are? Jesus fuck dude........that is the entire problem with America ........idiots like you calling a fucking spade a joker. You don't even sound like you know the fucking differene between fascism, capitalism, and socialism.
THATS PART OF THE PROBLEM!!!!!!!!
those things you said I have less of a problem with as opposed to the idiotic regulations they put in from time to time...
whether you agree or not the simple fact is the bail outs were needed, now we should have put much more restrictions on how the money was used but it was needed...
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We definately do not have a free market in any sense of the word. We may be a freerer market than others, but a free market economy is a talking point, not a reality.
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THATS PART OF THE PROBLEM!!!!!!!!
those things you said I have less of a problem with as opposed to the idiotic regulations they put in from time to time...
whether you agree or not the simple fact is the bail outs were needed, now we should have put much more restrictions on how the money was used but it was needed...
How can you fucking sit there and lament about free market capitalism and sit there and argue that the bailouts were needed. That's fucking stupid man! THERE ARE NO GOVERNMENT BAILOUTS FOR ANYONE in a free market. People have the right to get as rich as they want or go broke without any interference in a free market. The US economy might have collapsed without the bailouts........is that what you are saying....that is why they are needed? Fine then fucking argue that point but don't act like you are arguing in defense of a free market because in a free market AIG would have gone bankrupt and the government wouldn't be owning shares in GM, Citi, etc.
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How can you fucking sit there and lament about free market capitalism and sit there and argue that the bailouts were needed. That's fucking stupid man! THERE ARE NO GOVERNMENT BAILOUTS FOR ANYONE in a free market. People have the right to get as rich as they want or go broke without any interference in a free market. The US economy might have collapsed without the bailouts........is that what you are saying....that is why they are needed? Fine than fucking argue that point but don't act like you are arguing in defense of a free market because in a free market AIG would have gone bankrupt and the government wouldn't be owning shares in GM, Citi, etc.
LOL b/c in reality if we didnt bail the banks out, the ENTIRE COUNTRY WOULD HAVE GONE DOWN THE SHITTER...plain and simple...
you think its bad now LOL imagine if the companies who own your house went under, provided credit to businesses, enabled individuals to invest and companies to find individuals to invest went out of business...
LMAO if you think that would have been a good thing...
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We definately do not have a free market in any sense of the word. We may be a freerer market than others, but a free market economy is a talking point, not a reality.
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The US economy is one big private fucking government contract. And this isn't just normal defense spending.....this is the intelligence budget that is cloaked in secrecy. How much of our taxes are spent on propping up private corporations? And you guys complain about the fucking unions. LMAO! Here's one perfect example...........
More than five years into the global "war on terror," spying has become one of the fastest-growing private industries in the United States. The federal government relies more than ever on outsourcing for some of its most sensitive work, though it has kept details about its use of private contractors a closely guarded secret. Intelligence experts, and even the government itself, have warned of a critical lack of oversight for the booming intelligence business.
On May 14, at an industry conference in Colorado sponsored by the Defense Intelligence Agency, the U.S. government revealed for the first time how much of its classified intelligence budget is spent on private contracts: a whopping 70 percent. Based on this year’s estimated budget of at least $48 billion, that would come to at least $34 billion in contracts. The figure was disclosed by Terri Everett, a senior procurement executive in the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, the agency established by Congress in 2004 to oversee the 16 agencies that make up the U.S. intelligence infrastructure. A copy of Everett's unclassified PowerPoint slide presentation, titled "Procuring the Future" and dated May 25, was obtained by Salon. (It has since become available on the DIA's Web site.) "We can't spy ... If we can't buy!" one of the slides proclaims, underscoring the enormous dependence of U.S. intelligence agencies on private sector contracts.
The DNI figures show that the aggregate number of private contracts awarded by intelligence agencies rose by about 38 percent from the mid-1990s to 2005. But the surge in outsourcing has been far more dramatic measured in dollars: Over the same period of time, the total value of intelligence contracts more than doubled, from about $18 billion in 1995 to about $42 billion in 2005.
"Those numbers are startling," said Steven Aftergood, the director of the Project on Government Secrecy at the Federation of American Scientists and an expert on the U.S. intelligence budget. "They represent a transformation of the Cold War intelligence bureaucracy into something new and different that is literally dominated by contractor interests."
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LOL b/c in reality if we didnt bail the banks out, the ENTIRE COUNTRY WOULD HAVE GONE DOWN THE SHITTER...plain and simple...
you think its bad now LOL imagine if the companies who own your house went under, provided credit to businesses, enabled individuals to invest and companies to find individuals to invest went out of business...
LMAO if you think that would have been a good thing...
Oh please you sound like a bureaucrat spewing fear mongering. The US would not have collapsed and our economy would have gotten through it and perservered. I mean for fuck's sake I thought you believed in this country, call yourself an American and believe in our innovation and ability to solve problems. A complete collapse in the finance and stock market would have been a good thing. In fact if those companies like AIG etc. would have gone under MORE people would have stayed in their homes. SO yes I woudl argue with anyone any day of the week that the entire fucking system should have gone belly up. THis country has faced a lot.........and we would have been better off for it. Now when the collapse finally does come it will be that much worse.
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The US economy is one big private fucking government contract. And this isn't just normal defense spending.....this is the intelligence budget that is cloaked in secrecy. How much of our taxes are spent on propping up private corporations? And you guys complain about the fucking unions. LMAO! Here's one perfect example...........
More than five years into the global "war on terror," spying has become one of the fastest-growing private industries in the United States. The federal government relies more than ever on outsourcing for some of its most sensitive work, though it has kept details about its use of private contractors a closely guarded secret. Intelligence experts, and even the government itself, have warned of a critical lack of oversight for the booming intelligence business.
On May 14, at an industry conference in Colorado sponsored by the Defense Intelligence Agency, the U.S. government revealed for the first time how much of its classified intelligence budget is spent on private contracts: a whopping 70 percent. Based on this year’s estimated budget of at least $48 billion, that would come to at least $34 billion in contracts. The figure was disclosed by Terri Everett, a senior procurement executive in the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, the agency established by Congress in 2004 to oversee the 16 agencies that make up the U.S. intelligence infrastructure. A copy of Everett's unclassified PowerPoint slide presentation, titled "Procuring the Future" and dated May 25, was obtained by Salon. (It has since become available on the DIA's Web site.) "We can't spy ... If we can't buy!" one of the slides proclaims, underscoring the enormous dependence of U.S. intelligence agencies on private sector contracts.
The DNI figures show that the aggregate number of private contracts awarded by intelligence agencies rose by about 38 percent from the mid-1990s to 2005. But the surge in outsourcing has been far more dramatic measured in dollars: Over the same period of time, the total value of intelligence contracts more than doubled, from about $18 billion in 1995 to about $42 billion in 2005.
"Those numbers are startling," said Steven Aftergood, the director of the Project on Government Secrecy at the Federation of American Scientists and an expert on the U.S. intelligence budget. "They represent a transformation of the Cold War intelligence bureaucracy into something new and different that is literally dominated by contractor interests."
round here mcmannus we link our sources 8)
it would be the same thing broham whether they employed this ppl through contracts or through straight employment wouldnt you agree?
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Oh please you sound like a bureaucrat spewing fear mongering. The US would not have collapsed and our economy would have gotten through it and perservered. I mean for fuck's sake I thought you believed in this country, call yourself an American and believe in our innovation and ability to solve problems. A complete collapse in the finance and stock market would have been a good thing. In fact if those companies like AIG etc. would have gone under MORE people would have stayed in their homes. SO yes I woudl argue with anyone any day of the week that the entire fucking system should have gone belly up. THis country has faced a lot.........and we would have been better off for it. Now when the collapse finally does come it will be that much worse.
I didnt say it would have COLLAPSED BRAIN CHILD...but if you think we would have simply moved out of it in 10 years your a moron...
how would more ppl have stayed in their homes?
please argue away id love to hear your take on it ;D
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When you add up the obligations we have with regard to trade through the WTO, NAFTA, GAT, certain IMF regs, the bailouts, the fact that many companie exist solely to get govt contracts, th fact that many gvt contracts go to the same small group of well connected corps every time, mandates the govt has reqiring us to utilize products and services benefitting certain private corps, prevailing wage laws, union work rules on many construction projects driving up the costs, onerous EPA shit, etc etc, how on earth can anyone say we have a free market?
BTW - go try to open up a resturant in your town and see how "free" you are. Between building code stuff, land use regs, health code stuff, liquor license bs, workers' comp, various insurances, etc, you will get more govt and intervention in your life for a lifetime.
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LOL dont get it mixed up broham im not in favor of big bail outs for the "to big to fail" bull shit but you still havent given a reason or even justification for the idea that you should get paid more for doing the same job...
What does getting paid more have to do with the Greek Riots? An employee should get paid more every year because of inflation. We live in an inflationary economy and adjusting salaries to it is just and fair. Regardless of whether you "learn" something new or not. I mean, the learn something new is a bunch of hogwash, to say the least. It's Big Business' excuse to not raise worker's compensation.
I mean, if you hire a mechanic, that's exactly what you're getting, a mechanic. Whether he learns how to fix motorcycles, trucks, UFOs or cancer patients is inconsequential. His compensation MUST be tied to his production capacity. I mean, it's Economics 101. Hiring a mechanic and expecting him to become a lawyer and conditioning his compensation to how well he "adjusts" to his new role is a fucking mindnumbingly thing to insinuate. Consequently, if you adjust everyone's salary to their production capacity you will put an end to CEO's big bonuses because we all know NO CEO is producing 150 times what a regular employee makes. And that is what is happening in Big Business nowadays.
if its their company and you dont like it go work somewhere else...BETTER YET go start your own company with your ideals, I mean Ill come work for you if im going to get 15% of the companies profits
I'm not talking about getting 15% of the profits. You're off the mark by a mile and a half. I'm talking about a comprehensive compensation package tied to the company's performance. By this I mean paid overtime, working ONLY 40 hours per week and being given ample time if I'm about to get paid off. I'm not saying I want 15% of the company's profits. That's what YOU are saying.
For the record, I currently work 60 hours per week, 6 of them on the week ends. I do not get paid for overtime. My commute is 1:45 minutes each way (meaning I spend almost 4 hours of my days either getting on or chasing trains) and I have seen the amount of money that I take home steadily decrease for the past 4 years. I have not had a bonus in the past 3 years and have gotten only moderate salary increases in the first 3 years, which WERE NOT adjusted for inflation. All the while taking on the work that was being done previously by 2 people (and were laid off of course). In the mean time, my company's CEO has gotten a 6 and 13 million bonus, a 25% salary increase and God knows how many perks.
It goes without saying that there is a gap between the compensation the CEO is getting and the one I am getting. It goes without saying that it is not fair. What are my other options? I could leave the company and go somewhere else, as you say. The main problem is twofold: 1. The industry I work in is heavily immersed in outsourcing most jobs to India and 2. Since they've laid off so many employees, there is huge talent pool out there, which drives salaries down and makes it a lot more difficult to find another job.
In essence, I have no options but to learn something new at this point.
Im sure our production would be through the roof, right?
Ill be waiting for that pm on when you will pay my moving costs to come work for you ;)
Look, if I had my own business and you were my employee I can assure you that I wouldn't be driving a Ferrari California and owning houses in the Hamptons and on Park Avenue unless you were making enough money to drive a Volvo XC90, putting your kids in a good school and living in a nice part of town.
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Jesus dude are you just arguing for fucking argument sakes or are you actually thinking about what you are saying? NO IT WOULD NOT BE THE SAME.....jesus fuck man.......it's the same thing with fucking higher education. The reason college is so fucking expensive nowadays is because of all the consistent, reliable, government fucking money being thrown at the system in the form of loans, credit/debt, financial aid etc. If there wasn't so much free debt based money floating around there wouldn't be as much of a racket going on in college, it would be more competitive i.e. not everyone and their brother who isn't qualified to go would go, there would be more jobs for graduates, illegals wouldn't fucking be going to college. So to answer your point no not as many people would be employed if the government wasn't throwing money at private industry corporations......plus that is the fucking antithesis of a free market............govern met is CREATING a market where one wouldn't exist......at least not to the size and scope that it does.
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Jesus dude are you just arguing for fucking argument sakes or are you actually thinking about what you are saying? NO IT WOULD NOT BE THE SAME.....jesus fuck man.......it's the same thing with fucking higher education. The reason college is so fucking expensive nowadays is because of all the consistent, reliable, government fucking money being thrown at the system in the form of loans, credit/debt, financial aid etc. If there wasn't so much free debt based money floating around there wouldn't be as much of a racket going on in college, it would be more competitive i.e. not everyone and their brother who isn't qualified to go would go, there would be more jobs for graduates, illegals wouldn't fucking be going to college. So to answer your point no not as many people would be employed if the government wasn't throwing money at private industry corporations......plus that is the fucking antithesis of a free market............govern met is CREATING a market where one wouldn't exist......at least not to the size and scope that it does.
Did you ever see my Schiff clip where he discussed this at length?
Before the govt got involved inthe college business, tuition was low and barely increased in price for DECADES!
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the govt shouldnt run the economy PERIOOOOOODD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
you still have not given ONE reason, NOT EVEN ONE to why you should be given more money for doing the same job....
you sound like a disgruntled worker bro, again GO OUT AND START YOUR OWN BUSINESS IF THATS THE WAY YOU FEEL
But who is saying that the government should run the economy dumbass??
What does being given more money based on how much you learn have to do with the Greek riots?? I mean, what do you want to talk about? I'm here to talk about the Greek riots not that... which you've just brought up.
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What does this rambling, raving, idiotic post have to do with Greece, which is a failed socialist experiment?
The Greeks are incredibly stupid. Their little socialist experiment failed spectacularly and they had to go crawling to Germany on their hands and knees for a bailout. Now they're crying because they don't want to fix their broken system and want to continue living their lives of lethargy collecting their fat government benefits. Given that you're a socialist I know it will be hard for you to come to grips with the fact that it fails anywhere and everywhere but Greece is just another in a long line of examples.
Socialism does not, nor will it ever, work. Out of curiosity, though, just how much charitable work helping the downtrodden man do you do? I'd put a gun to my head and take the bet that you do jack shit like the typical socialist scumbag. Most socialist dreams of helping the common man extend only to spending other's money and then it stops there.
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But who is saying that the government should run the economy dumbass??
What does being given more money based on how much you learn have to do with the Greek riots?? I mean, what do you want to talk about? I'm here to talk about the Greek riots not that... which you've just brought up.
Problem with the Greeks, and many for that mtter, not just them of course, isthat too many people are just plain dumb and bought into a fairy tale regarding what govt can provide and what one shuld provide for themselves.
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I didnt say it would have COLLAPSED BRAIN CHILD...but if you think we would have simply moved out of it in 10 years your a moron...
how would more ppl have stayed in their homes?
please argue away id love to hear your take on it ;D
Oh Im sorry I thought collapsed is pretty much the same thing of the "entire country going down the shitter"................. which is what you said.
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Did you ever see my Schiff clip where he discussed this at length?
Before the govt got involved inthe college business, tuition was low and barely increased in price for DECADES!
Yes and that is my entire fucking point with Mctones. He's saying it's ok for the government to create this HUGE massive private intelligence industry. It makes no sense. Government is creating a market that would not otherwise exist without OUR money being used to fund it.
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Yes and that is my entire fucking point with Mctones. He's saying it's ok for the government to create this HUGE massive private intelligence industry. It makes no sense. Government is creating a market that would not otherwise exist without OUR money being used to fund it.
Bro - my sis and BOL work for Syracuse U. When I see what they make and how little they do, and the fact that students are paying 40k a year to support this insanity, its totally fucked!
Seriously - its immoral in my mind at this point.
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Greeks are European, hence white, hence gringos.
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I'm sorry, but once you say shit like this... it kinda makes me lose respect for what you have to say.
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Bro - my sis and BOL work for Syracuse U. When I see what they make and how little they do, and the fact that students are paying 40k a year to support this insanity, its totally fucked!
Seriously - its immoral in my mind at this point.
Yes I agree. I'm a nonunion nurse in CA. I've been hounded by the ANA to join. I was hounded to vote for Jerry Brown, even though I couldn't stand fucking Meg Whitman. But I refused. I believe in a free market with tight oversight and regulation but one in which the government is not creating markets that wouldn't otherwise exist. That is the biggest problem. From agriculture, to defense, to intelligence gathering, to higher education, etc. The government is propping up EVERY FUCKING THING! And you can pick and choose and say oh well our defense budget creates jobs..........our intelligence budget creates jobs, the financial aid bubble creates jobs...............yeah the fucking propped up mortgage industry created jobs 10 years ago and look what happened? It popped and now we are paying for all the unemployed. The entire US economy is one big fucking government contract nowadays.
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I mean fuck man look at healthcare. Talk about an industry propped up by big government. I don't know ONE doctor that was laid off EVER. If it wasn't for medicare and medicaid, EMTALA laws, JACAHO, government support of private insurance, the prescription drug plan.................hea lthcare would collapse because most hospitals and doctors offices wouldn't be able to turn a profit.
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Yes I agree. I'm a nonunion nurse in CA. I've been hounded by the ANA to join. I was hounded to vote for Jerry Brown, even though I couldn't stand fucking Meg Whitman. But I refused. I believe in a free market with tight oversight and regulation but one in which the government is not creating markets that wouldn't otherwise exist. That is the biggest problem. From agriculture, to defense, to intelligence gathering, to higher education, etc. The government is propping up EVERY FUCKING THING! And you can pick and choose and say oh well our defense budget creates jobs..........our intelligence budget creates jobs, the financial aid bubble creates jobs...............yeah the fucking propped up mortgage industry created jobs 10 years ago and look what happened? It popped and now we are paying for all the unemployed. The entire US economy is one big fucking government contract nowadays.
The next bubble that is collapsing is state spending. Between job losses, loss in revenue in sales tax, tax certs driving down home values and property tax bills, etc etc - the next collapse if state govt pensions and spending.
We have a ponzi scheme nation ourselves built on bogus nnsense and we laugh at the greeks and irish at our peril.
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The next bubble that is collapsing is state spending. Between job losses, loss in revenue in sales tax, tax certs driving down home values and property tax bills, etc etc - the next collapse if state govt pensions and spending.
We have a ponzi scheme nation ourselves built on bogus nnsense and we laugh at the greeks and irish at our peril.
Yes and the Greeks and Irish and English are intelligent enough to riot without much loss of life. A riot in the US would turn extremely violent in a matter of days with all the gun wielding idiots out there. I'm a gun owner and believe in the 2nd Amendment as a cornerstone of our society and freedom.......but it's scary to think what major riots would entail in the USA if the people got really mad. Look at the LA riots. It's one thing to riot.....it's another to destroy businesses, property, randomly and shoot people, police for no reason. And shit like that will only usher in martial law with the TPTB would very much like.
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Problem with the Greeks, and many for that mtter, not just them of course, isthat too many people are just plain dumb and bought into a fairy tale regarding what govt can provide and what one shuld provide for themselves.
Yeah, but you know something 333386? Unfortunately, in many parts of Europe the figure of Daddy/Mommy State coming to the rescue is something many, many Europeans have becomed accustomed to precisely because many States in Western Europe were, AND ARE, efficient money redistributors. Corporations in Europe know they are an integral part of the community and are OK with paying more in the form of salaries and taxes. The tradeoff? They get to enjoy the biggest pool of high-income customers in the world. And they ask nothing more.
I mean, as of lately many European banks have tried to import the American business model (low deficit, letting the "market" take care of things and similar bullshit) and Europeans are kicking back with a vengeance. They know their governments can run efficiently. And they expect nothing else.
I mean, look at Europe: They've been through countless bloody wars and are always able to reconstruct their countries like nothing happened.
I thing we ought to learn fromthem.
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Gotta go.
Have a good one fellow Gringos.
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Yeah, but you know something 333386? Unfortunately, in many parts of Europe the figure of Daddy/Mommy State coming to the rescue is something many, many Europeans have becomed accustomed to precisely because many States in Western Europe were, AND ARE, efficient money redistributors. Corporations in Europe know they are an integral part of the community and are OK with paying more in the form of salaries and taxes. The tradeoff? They get to enjoy the biggest pool of high-income customers in the world. And they ask nothing more.
I mean, as of lately many European banks have tried to import the American business model (low deficit, letting the "market" take care of things and similar bullshit) and Europeans are kicking back with a vengeance. They know their governments can run efficiently. And they expect nothing else.
I mean, look at Europe: They've been through countless bloody wars and are always able to reconstruct their countries like nothing happened.
I thing we ought to learn fromthem.
They have done so with have to spending nothing on their defense because we have paid for that. Now that we are broke - they dont have the money to cover their asses, and now everyone is fighting over a smaller pie. If these nations have to spend more of their GDP on defense wait and see what happens.
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Its coming here with public employees when they realize their pensions are gone and they get laid off because they have been living in fantasy land for far too long.
Greece is a completely different level though.
You think their problem are similar to USA's or the rest of the western worlds? Think again.
They need to wake up and smell the coffee.
The retirement age is 58. Now the Greeks are going crazy because the Socialist government has plans on raising it three years.
Bigger problem yet are some of the ridicilous benefits that government employees gets:
• If they are in time (not late) for work - they get a bonus. 8)
• You thought they got monthly salaries? Guess again. In Greece they get FOURTHEEN monthly salaries. Just because.
• Approximately 40 000 unmarried or divorced women receive pensions - they inherit it from their diseased fathers who were Government employees and keep it as long as they don't marry.
This shit goes on and on.
So whatever is going on right now in Greece, with the Government FINALLY starting to structure the fucking place up, it's about time.
They should let Germany run Greece for the next 10 years for all I care. Greece would be better for it.
Greece - the birthplace of Democracy? You wouldn't notice it if you go there, trust me.
Only in Greece folks, only in Greece.
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What does getting paid more have to do with the Greek Riots? An employee should get paid more every year because of inflation. We live in an inflationary economy and adjusting salaries to it is just and fair. Regardless of whether you "learn" something new or not. I mean, the learn something new is a bunch of hogwash, to say the least. It's Big Business' excuse to not raise worker's compensation.
I agree with that
but this idiocy is something else...
I'm not talking about getting 15% of the profits. You're off the mark by a mile and a half. I'm talking about a comprehensive compensation package tied to the company's performance. By this I mean paid overtime, working ONLY 40 hours per week and being given ample time if I'm about to get paid off. I'm not saying I want 15% of the company's profits. That's what YOU are saying.
did you really just say that you dont want a percentage and then in the same breath say that you want your compensation to be tied to the companies performance? LMFAO so kinda like a percentage?
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Jesus dude are you just arguing for fucking argument sakes or are you actually thinking about what you are saying? NO IT WOULD NOT BE THE SAME.....jesus fuck man.......it's the same thing with fucking higher education. The reason college is so fucking expensive nowadays is because of all the consistent, reliable, government fucking money being thrown at the system in the form of loans, credit/debt, financial aid etc. If there wasn't so much free debt based money floating around there wouldn't be as much of a racket going on in college, it would be more competitive i.e. not everyone and their brother who isn't qualified to go would go, there would be more jobs for graduates, illegals wouldn't fucking be going to college. So to answer your point no not as many people would be employed if the government wasn't throwing money at private industry corporations......plus that is the fucking antithesis of a free market............govern met is CREATING a market where one wouldn't exist......at least not to the size and scope that it does.
I think youre misunderstanding brain child, what i was saying is the idea of private doesnt matter b/c they would simply hire these ppl as govt employees instead of contracting the company...get it now?
im not saying I agree with it
I am still waiting for your poinent points on the financial crisis and how letting the banks fail would have been better for us though...
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I think youre misunderstanding brain child, what i was saying is the idea of private doesnt matter b/c they would simply hire these ppl as govt employees instead of contracting the company...get it now?
im not saying I agree with it
I am still waiting for your poinent points on the financial crisis and how letting the banks fail would have been better for us though...
Don't use big words you don't know how to spell brain child.....it's poignant. ;D
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Greece is a completely different level though.
You think their problem are similar to USA's or the rest of the western worlds? Think again.
They need to wake up and smell the coffee.
The retirement age is 58. Now the Greeks are going crazy because the Socialist government has plans on raising it three years.
Bigger problem yet are some of the ridicilous benefits that government employees gets:
• If they are in time (not late) for work - they get a bonus. 8)
• You thought they got monthly salaries? Guess again. In Greece they get FOURTHEEN monthly salaries. Just because.
• Approximately 40 000 unmarried or divorced women receive pensions - they inherit it from their diseased fathers who were Government employees and keep it as long as they don't marry.
This shit goes on and on.
So whatever is going on right now in Greece, with the Government FINALLY starting to structure the fucking place up, it's about time.
They should let Germany run Greece for the next 10 years for all I care. Greece would be better for it.
Greece - the birthplace of Democracy? You wouldn't notice it if you go there, trust me.
Only in Greece folks, only in Greece.
You must not know much about Germany. They have some of the best benefits of any socialized country.
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Don't use big words you don't know how to spell brain child.....it's poignant. ;D
hahaha nice now please wow us with your economic knowledge ;D
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Germany actually produces a ton of high cost, high quality stuff people want and are willing to pay for.
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Germany actually produces a ton of high cost, high quality stuff people want and are willing to pay for.
good country to invest in apparently, they are expecting the euro to be one of the weakest currencies in 11 which will only help more
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hahaha nice now please wow us with your economic knowledge ;D
Im not trying to wow anyone. And I have never come off as I'm a know it all when it comes to economics. Most of the points I've tried to make in this thread have to do with government involvement in both private and public sector. They are just as involved in the private sector as they are the public sector if not more....manipulating markets, propping up business, etc. So for someone to argue otherwise that it's all those evil unions, public sector employees, etc. is intellectually dishonest. And for people to fall into the divide of left vs. right or conservative vs. democrat is stupid........and you and people like bezerker seem to do that. Just because a person falls into the left or the right doesn't mean they encompass and adopt all the values of "liberals" or "right wing neocons". Most Americans including most posting in this thread probably agree on the issues much more so than they disagree. Everyone is just so quick to lable everyone that doesn't agree exactly with everything they do. And that's to be expected with all the media brainwashing and lies that come out of the corporate controlled news channels and white house soap box.
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Im not trying to wow anyone. And I have never come off as I'm a know it all when it comes to economics.
A complete collapse in the finance and stock market would have been a good thing. In fact if those companies like AIG etc. would have gone under MORE people would have stayed in their homes. SO yes I woudl argue with anyone any day of the week that the entire fucking system should have gone belly up. THis country has faced a lot.........and we would have been better off for it. Now when the collapse finally does come it will be that much worse.
so youre recanting on these one liners then?
if not make your case brain child
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By having a Federal Reserve that can mask over problems, create the illusion of the liquidity and solid banking, propping up failed businesses, buy back bonds from the FED Govt to buy debt to finance the Govt, etc, most people are clueless as to the true state of our financial affairs.
Just because things seem to not be in utter collapse ala Greece, IRE, Iceland, etc, does not mean it is not so. We traded taking the hard medicine for our reckless monetary and economic policies, and instead have been contented with devalued dollar with far less purchasing power, a lowe standard of living, and a continuation of the ponzi scheme.
However, this will not go on forever as the Chinese and others stop buying our debt. The only way out of thi mess is to drastically cut govt, drastically cut govt regulations and mandates on the manufacturing sector and those who produce goods and products, force people to work who are on welfare and govt assistance, and do a true audit of the FED so we can know exactly what situation we are in.
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agreed but I think another war will come up in which we alleviate some of our debt...
exactly my point, ppl think we are in the shitter now...can you imagine if we had let the economy go to real shit?
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Germany actually produces a ton of high cost, high quality stuff people want and are willing to pay for.
70% of the german economy is in the service sector. They are as socialistic as any other European country i.e. France, Greece etc. And they also have national healthcare, some of the most draconian, socialistic environmental laws in the world................
As far as the Greek most of you have probably never heard of the German "kur"? LOL. Need to take off 3 weeks....just tell your doctor you are stressed out and he'll write you a prescription for a spa. Germany has one of the best healthcare systems in the world and if we tried to implement the same here in the states most of you would be screaming those evil socialists. Fucking hypocrites......glorifyi ng a country's economy while failing miserably to understand how their society is structured....which is WHY their economy does so well.
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so youre recanting on these one liners then?
if not make your case brain child
No but I'm not about to spend hours debating, posting and arguing with you. It's not worth it. You can believe what you want to believe and I will believe what I want to believe. You already have your mind made up. You just like to argue for argument's sake. There is no evidence that we would be worse off than we will be in the next few years if we had not bailed out wall street and the banks. In fact there is more evidence to the contrary you're just too brainwashed to either research it or believe it. Not my problem. Millions of Americans were hood winked into believing the scare tactics put out by our government and wall street that if we didn't give money to the banks everything would come crashing down. No one myself included would argue that it would be cake walk or certain segments of the popluation would have suffered immensely. They would have. But instead of the middle class tax payers taking the hit the rich, wallstreet fat cats and bankers would have had to pay the piper.....but instead they got a get out of jail card free. Most middle class people would have suffered but in th end would have come out better off.
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70% of the german economy is in the service sector. They are as socialistic as any other European country i.e. France, Greece etc. And they also have national healthcare, some of the most draconian, socialistic environmental laws in the world................
As far as the Greek most of you have probably never heard of the German "kur"? LOL. Need to take off 3 weeks....just tell your doctor you are stressed out and he'll write you a prescription for a spa. Germany has one of the best healthcare systems in the world and if we tried to implement the same here in the states most of you would be screaming those evil socialists. Fucking hypocrites......glorifyi ng a country's economy while failing miserably to understand how their society is structured....which is WHY their economy does so well.
Again - if they had to provide for a national defense, have tens of millions of wortheless slugs in their population, etc etc - things would be drastically different for them.
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No but I'm not about to spend hours debating, posting and arguing with you. It's not worth it. You can believe what you want to believe and I will believe what I want to believe. You already have your mind made up. You just like to argue for argument's sake. There is no evidence that we would be worse off than we will be in the next few years if we had not bailed out wall street and the banks. In fact there is more evidence to the contrary you're just too brainwashed to either research it or believe it. Not my problem. Millions of Americans were hood winked into believing the scare tactics put out by our government and wall street that if we didn't give money to the banks everything would come crashing down. No one myself included would argue that it would be cake walk or certain segments of the popluation would have suffered immensely. They would have. But instead of the middle class tax payers taking the hit the rich, wallstreet fat cats and bankers would have had to pay the piper.....but instead they got a get out of jail card free. Most middle class people would have suffered but in th end would have come out better off.
LAUGHING MY FUKING ASS OFF...ok buddy do me a favor and run along back to the G&O ::) ::) ::)
dumb ass
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oh and any time you want to come back and debate that idiocy let me know...
as I know you "would love to argue that any day of the week" ::) moron
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Again - if they had to provide for a national defense, have tens of millions of wortheless slugs in their population, etc etc - things would be drastically different for them.
WTF? They do provide for a national defense as Germany has one of the best, most sophisticated militaries in the world. I don't know what point you're trying to make with that comment. The only difference is while America is out policing the world and building an empire with their military. Sure their army may not be as big as ours in size and may not match us in strength but they are only a population of 80+ million people and only spend 1.5% of GDP on defense. Also they have mandatory military service at the age of 18. So you can complain about how all our problems are because of illegals all you want........but in the end it has fuck all to do with the issue.
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LAUGHING MY FUKING ASS OFF...ok buddy do me a favor and run along back to the G&O ::) ::) ::)
dumb ass
Haha yeah the G&O is actually more entertaining and it reminds me there are guys on getbig that actually WORKOUT AND LIFT unlike the turds who never venture off the political board.
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Haha yeah the G&O is actually more entertaining and it reminds me there are guys on getbig that actually WORKOUT AND LIFT unlike the turds who never venture off the political board.
hahahaha coming from a male nurse who has never posted a pic, huh?
LAUGHING MY FUKING ASS OFF AGAIN LMFAOA ;D
well do us all a favor and go back to the G&O and lifting then b/c you obviously dont know shit about economics or finance... ;)
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From this
A complete collapse in the finance and stock market would have been a good thing. In fact if those companies like AIG etc. would have gone under MORE people would have stayed in their homes. SO yes I woudl argue with anyone any day of the week that the entire fucking system should have gone belly up. THis country has faced a lot.........and we would have been better off for it.
To this
No but I'm not about to spend hours debating, posting and arguing with you.
things that make you go, hmmmmm
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Haha yeah the G&O is actually more entertaining and it reminds me there are guys on getbig that actually WORKOUT AND LIFT unlike the turds who never venture off the political board.
At 35 y/o i have never been stronger. No juice, no roids, just slayer/megadeth/beers/burgers
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At 35 y/o i have never been stronger. No juice, no roids, just slayer/megadeth/beers/burgers
no worries bro he is a troll, never posted a pic and claims to be 6 foot and jacked on roids
truth be told he is a 6 foot 140lb twink of a male nurse ;)
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no worries bro he is a troll, never posted a pic and claims to be 6 foot and jacked on roids
truth be told he is a 6 foot 140lb twink of a male nurse ;)
oh now boys, let's play nice
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oh now boys, let's play nice
yes mam :-[
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Even if I posted a pic I'm sure you'd argue it's not me, yada yadda. So what's the point? I guarantee you I'm not twink. LOL.
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Even if I posted a pic I'm sure you'd argue it's not me, yada yadda. So what's the point? I guarantee you I'm not twink. LOL.
I dont really care to be honest with you, whether you work out or not doesnt have any bearing on what I think of you...its funny for you though to call others out myself included on their physique without having posted a pic yourself though...
but again youd still be a big dumbass whether you were 300lbs and ripped or 140lbs and twinkish ;)
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I dont really care to be honest with you, whether you work out or not doesnt have any bearing on what I think of you...its funny for you though to call others out myself included on their physique without having posted a pic yourself though...
but again youd still be a big dumbass whether you were 300lbs and ripped or 140lbs and twinkish ;)
Translation = Yes you are probably bigger and more musclar than me but I pretend to know more about economics and politics than you.
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Translation = Yes you are probably bigger and more musclar than me but I pretend to know more about economics and politics than you.
well guess we will never know since you dont see the point in posting a picture on a BODYBUILDING forum but thats ok...
I will absolutely take solice in the fact though that you know nothing at all about finance and economics ;)
even though you woudl argue with anyone any day of the week that the entire fucking system should have gone belly up.
but i guess you have better things to do today, right?
like I said anytime you want to disucss this let me know :D
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You must not know much about Germany. They have some of the best benefits of any socialized country.
I know a fair amount of Germany. I've been there several times. Took German in high school et al.
First of all I know it's not a socialized country.
Anyone who labels Germany a socialist country simply don't know what Socialism is - or don't know scheisse about Germany.
Germany has universal health care.
However, and this is important, if you take an average, Germans actually pay less for their health care than does Americans.
USA spends 16.7 % of the GDP on health care. Around $6 300.
Germany - 10.7 %. Or around $3 600. That not far off almost half what the US system costs.
Source: OECD.
What I'm getting is that Germany is much like their cars - BMW especially. Very efficient. Without very little corruption.
They get things done. And have tremendous work ethic.
So if they're setting up a universal health care system - they will make it work.
If a bunch of lazy asses like Greece does it - chances are lots of people will cut the corners.
That's basically it.
It's kinda funny when people obsess with political theories and have to oppose things like universal health care to a fault.
Even in cases where it actually work.
The same goes the other way BTW. Where Socialist buffons opposes small businesses even when it is working out great for everyone.
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Small businesses are harder to control by the state.
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Change we can believe in!
(pssst- It's wall streets fault) ::)
it is in big part. Hope you don't think it's all Obama and republicans, corporations, bankers and their lobbyists don't have any fault.
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Bama is part of that cabal hedge.
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Bama is part of that cabal hedge.
My point is only that when you see the riots in Greece - no, the people don't have a right to be upset.
Because the government is only trying to mend what is broken.
The Greeks wants to KEEP their low retirement age.
That's the insanity.
They don't WANT to fix the economy.
Instead look at Ireland - the current Conservative/Republican adminstration has fucked up things royally.
They did it by securing the Irish banks, and thus allowing the banks to venture into high risk objects and give bad loans.
So the Irish economy is fucked for a few years.
But unlike the Greeks, the Irish people aren't rioting. They are pissed, sure. They will elect another administration, of course. But they know they gotta work things out.
It's just a different mindset.
If you piss in your pants, you gotta change clothes. You can't just keep on wearing the same shit. Like the Greeks are doing.
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but this idiocy is something else...
did you really just say that you dont want a percentage and then in the same breath say that you want your compensation to be tied to the companies performance? LMFAO so kinda like a percentage?
The real idiocy is that you have the comprehension skills of an IPod.
Yes, I said compensation has to be tied to the company's performance. I however, did not say I did not want a percentage, I said 15% is too much. For any employee, including a CEO.
Look, everyone's compensation has to obey the Economics 101 rules. Even if the CEO produces what 3 base employees produce... having the board pay you 30% of the company's earnings in the form of a bonus is a recipe for disaster.
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If a bunch of lazy asses like Greece does it - chances are lots of people will cut the corners.
If you only bothered to check...
If the Greeks are so lazy and the Germans are so hard-working... Why is it that the Greeks workers work, on average, almost 450 hours more per year than their German counterparts?
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/64/Yearly_working_time_2004.jpg/400px-Yearly_working_time_2004.jpg)
You see, the Greeks are pissed mad because they have a right to be pissed mad. They look at the German government and how efficiently it is run and they know theirs can do the same thing. It is corruption and a culture of bitch-gathering (meaning paying for votes, which cost the Greeks money) that makes that imposible. But make no mistake, the Greeks are not dumb, like I said, they know when something big and spiky is being rammed up their asses. They know they work more hours than most people in Europe and they do not mind because they have a social safety net they can rely on should they lose their jobs or something else happen. They also know that extending the retirement age is just another concesion to the richest 5% of the population that always cries that they are being overtaxed but never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever mention the simple fact that they are also being overpaid.
That's why they're running around burning cars. Shooting people in the back of the head in the richest parts of Athens, et cetera. And they'll do it until their politicians stop being corrupt, which they refuse. And I think they have a right to protest.
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The real idiocy is that you have the comprehension skills of an IPod.
Yes, I said compensation has to be tied to the company's performance. I however, did not say I did not want a percentage, I said 15% is too much. For any employee, including a CEO.
Look, everyone's compensation has to obey the Economics 101 rules. Even if the CEO produces what 3 base employees produce... having the board pay you 30% of the company's earnings in the form of a bonus is a recipe for disaster.
LOL what school did you go to?
i was never taught that in any of the economic or finance classes that I attended...
if you feel that way go start a business and run it according to your model...
in other words QUIT BITCHING...
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And don't even get me started on our form of corruption: Networking.
Forget about being qualified. If you're my gumah and I'm your gumbah...
Corruption 101.
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LOL what school did you go to?
i was never taught that in any of the economic or finance classes that I attended...
if you feel that way go start a business and run it according to your model...
in other words QUIT BITCHING...
Why is it that protesting or talking about something which is unjust bothers you?
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Why is it that protesting or talking about something which is unjust bothers you?
b/c its not unjust...
again what school did you go to that taught you econ 101 in that way?
and if you feel it is unjust why not work to rectify the situation instead of following along in it...
you seem to be ok with making the money your making in the "unjust" system
you feel that you should be coddled and taken care of instead of taking care of yourself...two different ways of looking at it...that doesnt make my way unjust b/c i dont want to hold you fuking hand
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b/c its not unjust...
Ok. In that case I guess the verdict is out: tonymctones wins over hundreds of thousands of Greek protesters.
I mean... do you understand how dumb you sound?
again what school did you go to that taught you econ 101 in that way?
and if you feel it is unjust why not work to rectify the situation instead of following along in it...
What are you talking about, economic conditions here in the US or those in Greece? I think you're talking about the economic conditions that affect me, meaning Americans, instead of following the thread...
you seem to be ok with making the money your making in the "unjust" system
you feel that you should be coddled and taken care of instead of taking care of yourself...two different ways of looking at it...that doesnt make my way unjust b/c i dont want to hold you fuking hand
Just as I though. You're talking about me and the conditions that affect me. Listen, open up a thread about the income disparity in the US and I'll be glad to participate. Otherwise don't post shit and try to sink someone else's thread.
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Ok. In that case I guess the verdict is out: tonymctones wins over hundreds of thousands of Greek protesters.
I mean... do you understand how dumb you sound?
What are you talking about, economic conditions here in the US or those in Greece? I think you're talking about the economic conditions that affect me, meaning Americans, instead of following the thread...
Just as I though. You're talking about me and the conditions that affect me. Listen, open up a thread about the income disparity in the US and I'll be glad to participate. Otherwise don't post shit and try to sink someone else's thread.
LMFAO nice side step
here you go
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=359869.0
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LMFAO nice side step
here you go
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=359869.0
(http://www.gifsoup.com/view3/1290449/picard-facepalm-o.gif)
... You really don't know when to stop do ya?
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Its coming here with public employees when they realize their pensions are gone and they get laid off because they have been living in fantasy land for far too long.
I bet congress gets their pensions. But not before they vote on tax cuts for themselves.
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I'm talking about state govt employee unions who are demanding more and more and have expectations of madoff like benes and pensions that no sane society can ever afford.
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If you only bothered to check...
If the Greeks are so lazy and the Germans are so hard-working... Why is it that the Greeks workers work, on average, almost 450 hours more per year than their German counterparts?
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/64/Yearly_working_time_2004.jpg/400px-Yearly_working_time_2004.jpg)
You see, the Greeks are pissed mad because they have a right to be pissed mad. They look at the German government and how efficiently it is run and they know theirs can do the same thing. It is corruption and a culture of bitch-gathering (meaning paying for votes, which cost the Greeks money) that makes that imposible. But make no mistake, the Greeks are not dumb, like I said, they know when something big and spiky is being rammed up their asses. They know they work more hours than most people in Europe and they do not mind because they have a social safety net they can rely on should they lose their jobs or something else happen. They also know that extending the retirement age is just another concesion to the richest 5% of the population that always cries that they are being overtaxed but never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever mention the simple fact that they are also being overpaid.
That's why they're running around burning cars. Shooting people in the back of the head in the richest parts of Athens, et cetera. And they'll do it until their politicians stop being corrupt, which they refuse. And I think they have a right to protest.
LMFAO!!!
Have you been to Greece?
I actually have.
It's a country that just doesn't function.
Yeah, they might, on paper, be working lots of hours.
But you can't just have quantity. Those hours have to be filled with something. You got incredible amounts of people just being "employed" lord knows doing what.
Eg, some are being employed to take care of a lake. That wouldn't be a bad thing.
Only, the lake has been dried up and non-existent since the 1930's.
The government used to own Olympic Airways, got rid of it last year. Until they did, all employees AND their families would travel for FREE around the world. Totally unheard of in any other airline.
You got so many corrupt rules you could fill a book. As long as you don't complete a building you don't have to pay full tax. So you'll see plenty of houses that are half complete. Totally ridiculous.
I also have been to Germany.
None of this bullshit is going on there.
The wages in Germany are much higher - that means that industries that won't make it will file for bankruptcy.
Only efficient companies will stay in business.
Unlike a near-third world like country like Greece.
You don't think people in Kenya work their asses of too? I bet they work even more than Greeks. But that doesn't make what they do any good.
You need to have a good system in order.
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Hedge stop using facts and logic against Slapper. They detract from his argument and make him look really stupid. Everyone knows that Greece is a perfectly run country with a great economy and intelligent, hard working people that don't depend on the government for anything. Stop watching Fox News and listening to Rush Limbaugh.
Other perfectly run countries according to Slapper include: Cuba, North Korea, Yemen, Zimbabwe, Mongolia and Zaire. America should aspire to be as well run as those places.
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Hedge stop using facts and logic against Slapper. They detract from his argument and make him look really stupid. Everyone knows that Greece is a perfectly run country with a great economy and intelligent, hard working people that don't depend on the government for anything. Stop watching Fox News and listening to Rush Limbaugh.
Other perfectly run countries according to Slapper include: Cuba, North Korea, Yemen, Zimbabwe, Mongolia and Zaire. America should aspire to be as well run as those places.
also employees who have basically no risk to the company going out of business should be compensated as those that do...
also employees that make no decisions on how the company is run and the decisions that lead to profits should share in the profits made from the decisions that they had no hand in....
;)
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also employees who have basically no risk to the company going out of business should be compensated as those that do...
also employees that make no decisions on how the company is run and the decisions that lead to profits should share in the profits made from the decisions that they had no hand in....
;)
Yes, that makes perfect sense from a business standpoint. ;D
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LMFAO!!!
Have you been to Greece?
I actually have.
It's a country that just doesn't function.
Yeah, they might, on paper, be working lots of hours.
But you can't just have quantity. Those hours have to be filled with something. You got incredible amounts of people just being "employed" lord knows doing what.
Eg, some are being employed to take care of a lake. That wouldn't be a bad thing.
Only, the lake has been dried up and non-existent since the 1930's.
The government used to own Olympic Airways, got rid of it last year. Until they did, all employees AND their families would travel for FREE around the world. Totally unheard of in any other airline.
You got so many corrupt rules you could fill a book. As long as you don't complete a building you don't have to pay full tax. So you'll see plenty of houses that are half complete. Totally ridiculous.
I also have been to Germany.
None of this bullshit is going on there.
The wages in Germany are much higher - that means that industries that won't make it will file for bankruptcy.
Only efficient companies will stay in business.
Unlike a near-third world like country like Greece.
You don't think people in Kenya work their asses of too? I bet they work even more than Greeks. But that doesn't make what they do any good.
You need to have a good system in order.
Nope, I have not been to Greece. I, however, lived in a Mediterranean country for many years (Spain) and can attest that people around the Mediterranean work some loooooooong hours. I mean, if memory serves me right... Their shifts were something like from 9AM to 1:30PM and 4:30PM to 8-8:30PM. They easily beat the Germans by a ˝-1 hour per day. I really do not know, to this day, why the Spaniards and the Greeks have a reputation for being "lazy". I'd be really fucking pissed if someone told me that I was going to have to add another hour to my workday... especially if I'm already putting in 9-10 hours per day. AND do it without a raise. AND higher taxes.
By this I'm not insinuating that Greeks are more efficient than Germans. That goes without saying: They are not. But that's not what the Greek worker has to worry about. What they have to worry about is having to extend their working hours and get less money because of a handfull of corrupt politicians who basically mortgage someone else's house out (the Greek government) and an elite that basically refuses to take part in the country's economic activity when the markets are not in their favor. It's insanity.
I'm pretty sure the Greeks look at the German government with envy and only wish their politicos did the same thing. The problem is their government is corrupt. The Greek politicians are treating their own people like slaves. Thats why Greeks are running around burning shit.