Riots in Greece

[tonymctones]

No but I'm not about to spend hours debating, posting and arguing with you.  It's not worth it.  You can believe what you want to believe and I will believe what I want to believe.  You already have your mind made up.  You just like to argue for argument's sake.  There is no evidence that we would be worse off than we will be in the next few years if we had not bailed out wall street and the banks.  In fact there is more evidence to the contrary you're just too brainwashed to either research it or believe it.  Not my problem.  Millions of Americans were hood winked into believing the scare tactics put out by our government and wall street that if we didn't give money to the banks everything would come crashing down.  No one myself included would argue that it would be  cake walk or certain segments of the popluation would have suffered immensely.  They would have.  But instead of the middle class tax payers taking the hit the rich, wallstreet fat cats and bankers would have had to pay the piper.....but instead they got a get out of jail card free.  Most middle class people would have suffered but in th end would have come out better off. 

LAUGHING MY FUKING ASS OFF...ok buddy do me a favor and run along back to the G&O 

dumb ass

[tonymctones]

oh and any time you want to come back and debate that idiocy let me know...

as I know you "would love to argue that any day of the week"  moron

[MuscleMcMannus]

Again - if they had to provide for a national defense, have tens of millions of wortheless slugs in their population, etc etc - things would be drastically different for them.  

WTF?  They do provide for a national defense as Germany has one of the best, most sophisticated militaries in the world.  I don't know what point you're trying to make with that comment.  The only difference is while America is out policing the world and building an empire with their military.  Sure their army may not be as big as ours in size and may not match us in strength but they are only a population of 80+ million people and only spend 1.5% of GDP on defense.  Also they have mandatory military service at the age of 18.  So you can complain about how all our problems are because of illegals all you want........but in the end it has fuck all to do with the issue.  

[MuscleMcMannus]

LAUGHING MY FUKING ASS OFF...ok buddy do me a favor and run along back to the G&O 

dumb ass

Haha yeah the G&O is actually more entertaining and it reminds me there are guys on getbig that actually WORKOUT AND LIFT unlike the turds who never venture off the political board. 

[tonymctones]

Haha yeah the G&O is actually more entertaining and it reminds me there are guys on getbig that actually WORKOUT AND LIFT unlike the turds who never venture off the political board. 

hahahaha coming from a male nurse who has never posted a pic, huh?

LAUGHING MY FUKING ASS OFF AGAIN LMFAOA 

well do us all a favor and go back to the G&O and lifting then b/c you obviously dont know shit about economics or finance...

[tonymctones]

From this

A complete collapse in the finance and stock market would have been a good thing.  In fact if those companies like AIG etc. would have gone under MORE people would have stayed in their homes.  SO yes I woudl argue with anyone any day of the week that the entire fucking system should have gone belly up.  THis country has faced a lot.........and we would have been better off for it.

To this

No but I'm not about to spend hours debating, posting and arguing with you.

things that make you go, hmmmmm

[Soul Crusher]

Haha yeah the G&O is actually more entertaining and it reminds me there are guys on getbig that actually WORKOUT AND LIFT unlike the turds who never venture off the political board. 

At 35 y/o i have never been stronger.   No juice, no roids, just slayer/megadeth/beers/burgers

[tonymctones]

At 35 y/o i have never been stronger.   No juice, no roids, just slayer/megadeth/beers/burgers

no worries bro he is a troll, never posted a pic and claims to be 6 foot and jacked on roids

truth be told he is a 6 foot 140lb twink of a male nurse 

[newmom]

no worries bro he is a troll, never posted a pic and claims to be 6 foot and jacked on roids

truth be told he is a 6 foot 140lb twink of a male nurse 

oh now boys, let's play nice

[tonymctones]

oh now boys, let's play nice

yes mam 

[MuscleMcMannus]

Even if I posted a pic I'm sure you'd argue it's not me,  yada yadda.  So what's the point?  I guarantee you I'm not twink.  LOL. 

[tonymctones]

Even if I posted a pic I'm sure you'd argue it's not me,  yada yadda.  So what's the point?  I guarantee you I'm not twink.  LOL. 

I dont really care to be honest with you, whether you work out or not doesnt have any bearing on what I think of you...its funny for you though to call others out myself included on their physique without having posted a pic yourself though...

but again youd still be a big dumbass whether you were 300lbs and ripped or 140lbs and twinkish 

[MuscleMcMannus]

I dont really care to be honest with you, whether you work out or not doesnt have any bearing on what I think of you...its funny for you though to call others out myself included on their physique without having posted a pic yourself though...

but again youd still be a big dumbass whether you were 300lbs and ripped or 140lbs and twinkish 

Translation = Yes you are probably bigger and more musclar than me but I pretend to know more about economics and politics than you. 

[tonymctones]

Translation = Yes you are probably bigger and more musclar than me but I pretend to know more about economics and politics than you.  

well guess we will never know since you dont see the point in posting a picture on a BODYBUILDING forum but thats ok...

I will absolutely take solice in the fact though that you know nothing at all about finance and economics  

even though you

woudl argue with anyone any day of the week that the entire fucking system should have gone belly up.

but i guess you have better things to do today, right?

like I said anytime you want to disucss this let me know  

[Hedgehog]

You must not know much about Germany.  They have some of the best benefits of any socialized country. 

I know a fair amount of Germany. I've been there several times. Took German in high school et al.

First of all I know it's not a socialized country.

Anyone who labels Germany a socialist country simply don't know what Socialism is - or don't know scheisse about Germany.

Germany has universal health care.
However, and this is important, if you take an average, Germans actually pay less for their health care than does Americans.

USA spends 16.7 % of the GDP on health care. Around $6 300.
Germany - 10.7 %. Or around $3 600. That not far off almost half what the US system costs.

Source: OECD.


What I'm getting is that Germany is much like their cars - BMW especially. Very efficient. Without very little corruption.

They get things done. And have tremendous work ethic.

So if they're setting up a universal health care system - they will make it work.

If a bunch of lazy asses like Greece does it - chances are lots of people will cut the corners.

That's basically it.

It's kinda funny when people obsess with political theories and have to oppose things like universal health care to a fault.

Even in cases where it actually work.

The same goes the other way BTW. Where Socialist buffons opposes small businesses even when it is working out great for everyone.

[Soul Crusher]

Small businesses are harder to control by the state. 

[Hugo Chavez]

Change we can believe in!


(pssst- It's wall streets fault)  

it is in big part.  Hope you don't think it's all Obama and republicans, corporations, bankers and their lobbyists don't have any fault.

[Soul Crusher]

Bama is part of that cabal hedge.

[Hedgehog]

Bama is part of that cabal hedge.

My point is only that when you see the riots in Greece - no, the people don't have a right to be upset.

Because the government is only trying to mend what is broken.

The Greeks wants to KEEP their low retirement age.

That's the insanity.

They don't WANT to fix the economy.

Instead look at Ireland - the current Conservative/Republican adminstration has fucked up things royally.

They did it by securing the Irish banks, and thus allowing the banks to venture into high risk objects and give bad loans.

So the Irish economy is fucked for a few years.

But unlike the Greeks, the Irish people aren't rioting. They are pissed, sure. They will elect another administration, of course. But they know they gotta work things out.

It's just a different mindset.

If you piss in your pants, you gotta change clothes. You can't just keep on wearing the same shit. Like the Greeks are doing.

[Slapper]

but this idiocy is something else...
did you really just say that you dont want a percentage and then in the same breath say that you want your compensation to be tied to the companies performance? LMFAO so kinda like a percentage?

The real idiocy is that you have the comprehension skills of an IPod.

Yes, I said compensation has to be tied to the company's performance. I however, did not say I did not want a percentage, I said 15% is too much. For any employee, including a CEO.

Look, everyone's compensation has to obey the Economics 101 rules. Even if the CEO produces what 3 base employees produce... having the board pay you 30% of the company's earnings in the form of a bonus is a recipe for disaster.

[Slapper]

If a bunch of lazy asses like Greece does it - chances are lots of people will cut the corners.

If you only bothered to check...

If the Greeks are so lazy and the Germans are so hard-working... Why is it that the Greeks workers work, on average, almost 450 hours more per year than their German counterparts?



You see, the Greeks are pissed mad because they have a right to be pissed mad. They look at the German government and how efficiently it is run and they know theirs can do the same thing. It is corruption and a culture of bitch-gathering (meaning paying for votes, which cost the Greeks money) that makes that imposible. But make no mistake, the Greeks are not dumb, like I said, they know when something big and spiky is being rammed up their asses. They know they work more hours than most people in Europe and they do not mind because they have a social safety net they can rely on should they lose their jobs or something else happen. They also know that extending the retirement age is just another concesion to the richest 5% of the population that always cries that they are being overtaxed but never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever mention the simple fact that they are also being overpaid.

That's why they're running around burning cars. Shooting people in the back of the head in the richest parts of Athens, et cetera. And they'll do it until their politicians stop being corrupt, which they refuse. And I think they have a right to protest.

[tonymctones]

The real idiocy is that you have the comprehension skills of an IPod.

Yes, I said compensation has to be tied to the company's performance. I however, did not say I did not want a percentage, I said 15% is too much. For any employee, including a CEO.

Look, everyone's compensation has to obey the Economics 101 rules. Even if the CEO produces what 3 base employees produce... having the board pay you 30% of the company's earnings in the form of a bonus is a recipe for disaster.

LOL what school did you go to?

i was never taught that in any of the economic or finance classes that I attended...

if you feel that way go start a business and run it according to your model...

in other words QUIT BITCHING...

[Slapper]

And don't even get me started on our form of corruption: Networking.

Forget about being qualified. If you're my gumah and I'm your gumbah...

Corruption 101.

[Slapper]

LOL what school did you go to?

i was never taught that in any of the economic or finance classes that I attended...

if you feel that way go start a business and run it according to your model...

in other words QUIT BITCHING...

Why is it that protesting or talking about something which is unjust bothers you?

[tonymctones]

Why is it that protesting or talking about something which is unjust bothers you?

b/c its not unjust...

again what school did you go to that taught you econ 101 in that way?

and if you feel it is unjust why not work to rectify the situation instead of following along in it...

you seem to be ok with making the money your making in the "unjust" system

you feel that you should be coddled and taken care of instead of taking care of yourself...two different ways of looking at it...that doesnt make my way unjust b/c i dont want to hold you fuking hand