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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Cleanest Natural on February 17, 2011, 08:40:12 AM
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Never seen pro with that little separation... :o
I mean.... no veins, cuts, nothing! That is smooth - even for off season for pro.
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When this pic was taken?
Here are Roelly Winklaar update
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Awesome arms, but typical bloated belly. Geez. And for fuck's sake why hasn't he gotten that gyno fixed?
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why does he wear his hat like a New Kid on the Block wannabe ???
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It's called progress
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It's called progress
that's just a muscle worshipper's oppinion
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that's just a muscle worshipper's oppinion
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This physique still stands the test of time
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frank zane was 5'8, 170 pounds.
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frank zane was 5'8, 170 pounds.
5'9" 180-190 even went as high as 200lbs one time but admittedly wasn't as sharp
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It's called progress
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I think your sarcasm meter may be broken ;)
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When this pic was taken?
Here are Roelly Winklaar update
Got to love Granny Guru in the background making the quarter turn calls. Anyone know the word on this lady and what makes her place up there with others of the like? Whats her specialty?
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That is what 30 years of chemical,training and nutrition advancement has produced!
SAD,SAD,SAD what this cult has became. :'(
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5'9" 180-190 even went as high as 200lbs one time but admittedly wasn't as sharp
at that height, level of size and leanness, i dont think he was an ounce over 175 in contest shape. 175 tops
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Never seen pro with that little separation... :o
I mean.... no veins, cuts, nothing! That is smooth - even for off season for pro.
Ever hear of a guy named Jay Culter?
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Ever hear of a guy named Jay Culter?
yea isn't he a quarterback or something ;D
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yea isn't he a quarterback or something ;D
the other one, not the interception machine ;D
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the other one, not the interception machine ;D
oh oh duh duh on me ;) ;D :D
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I think your sarcasm meter may be broken ;)
Glad it was sarcasm... :)
You can't tell around here sometimes though. Seems a lot of people actually think it is progress...
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WTF is that thing. ::)
What a goof.,
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Got to love Granny Guru in the background making the quarter turn calls. Anyone know the word on this lady and what makes her place up there with others of the like? Whats her specialty?
She is his hook up for quality gear and pharma GH
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people who adore zanes physique are delusional. the only thing he had going for him was his abdominals and lat insertions by the obliques that are seen from the front just above the abs on the outside of the body. this is a homoerotic love for this region. if you take zane as a whole, disregarding the aesthetics of his cockly-reminiscent abdominals, he is not nearly as thick or aesthetic anywhere else. hes small!!!!! compared to top pros. those photos that have dramaitc shading, lighting, oiling, etc all on show day are creating a drastic illusion when shown by himself. stand someone like winklar on stage next to him, when winklars in shape mind you (even though hes not out of shape in the original photo he just holding water. you can still see visible seperation throughout entire body and hard abdominals, no visible soft fatty tissue..) winklar would PWN him. that being said, zane was a marvelous statue of a man and if god wanted to come into human form as a figure representative of his awesomness to a degree then zane would have been one of the top choices to go with, including all bodybuilders of all time. that being said, theres probably about 5,000 guys throughout history who could fulfill that kind of role.
:o
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and the funy thing is,,,the fella is 8% there lol crazy eh? this is 8% my friends,,not 9 and not 10 it is 8% you got that right,,he is in shape only water baloon like any other profesional and the fat is held in diff places due to severe abuse of insulin that make the fat from withinnnn the muscle,,this is what 8% with water look like,,you see abs? so body fat doensnt always go by how many abs you see and how blurr or not blurr they are,,it go by skin tecture,,and by solidfy of physiqe,,by hardness of physiqe from within and by how solid one look ,,especially when on chemicals ,,this is good lesson learned for my pupils 8% does not have to have abs showing cut ane clear,,it can be blurred and only line show when flexed ,,and over all mid seperation that is also not completely clear cut,,
gh15 approved
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Ah, a guest posing pic...I think that is from the time he went to his his island to guest posed...
And obody has posted the Shawn Ray guest posing pic...
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and the funy thing is,,,the fella is 8% there lol crazy eh? this is 8% my friends,,not 9 and not 10 it is 8% you got that right,,he is in shape only water baloon like any other profesional and the fat is held in diff places due to severe abuse of insulin that make the fat from withinnnn the muscle,,this is what 8% with water look like,,you see abs? so body fat doensnt always go by how many abs you see and how blurr or not blurr they are,,it go by skin tecture,,and by solidfy of physiqe,,by hardness of physiqe from within and by how solid one look ,,especially when on chemicals ,,this is good lesson learned for my pupils 8% does not have to have abs showing cut ane clear,,it can be blurred and only line show when flexed ,,and over all mid seperation that is also not completely clear cut,,
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interesting..since bodyfat is measured by skin fold unless hydrostatically determined..which is rarely done.
i..e skinfolds have nothing to do with visceral fat..and visceral fat lies beneath the muscles so they - the muscles- would still be visible.
once again you talk a load of shit... but that's standard MO for you by now...anyone with half a brain can see it- so lucky for you 3/4 of GB.com believe everything you write.
you'd last not 5 minutes in a room with knowledgeable athletes..which is y u post at a dumb ass forum- it strokes your ego.
hope this helps you to narrow down your psychological issues.
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Zane was and is a monument to what is great about bodybuilding.
If people wonder why no one gives a shit about bodybuilding and why no money is in the sport they need look no further than the fact that zane would lose to fatso in the mr O nowadays.
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people who adore zanes physique are delusional. the only thing he had going for him was his abdominals and lat insertions by the obliques that are seen from the front just above the abs on the outside of the body. this is a homoerotic love for this region. if you take zane as a whole, disregarding the aesthetics of his cockly-reminiscent abdominals, he is not nearly as thick or aesthetic anywhere else. hes small!!!!! compared to top pros. those photos that have dramaitc shading, lighting, oiling, etc all on show day are creating a drastic illusion when shown by himself. stand someone like winklar on stage next to him, when winklars in shape mind you (even though hes not out of shape in the original photo he just holding water. you can still see visible seperation throughout entire body and hard abdominals, no visible soft fatty tissue..) winklar would PWN him. that being said, zane was a marvelous statue of a man and if god wanted to come into human form as a figure representative of his awesomness to a degree then zane would have been one of the top choices to go with, including all bodybuilders of all time. that being said, theres probably about 5,000 guys throughout history who could fulfill that kind of role.
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so by your reasoning, every zane fan is a homo, or has homo tendencies? Im worried, cause zane is my favorite bber of all time...
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Zane was and is a monument to what is great about bodybuilding.
If people wonder why no one gives a shit about bodybuilding and why no money is in the sport they need look no further than the fact that zane would lose to fatso in the mr O nowadays.
zane would've evolved
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interesting..since bodyfat is measured by skin fold unless hydrostatically determined..which is rarely done.
i..e skinfolds have nothing to do with visceral fat..and visceral fat lies beneath the muscles so they - the muscles- would still be visible.
once again you talk a load of shit... but that's standard MO for you by now...anyone with half a brain can see it- so lucky for you 3/4 of GB.com believe everything you write.
you'd last not 5 minutes in a room with knowledgeable athletes..which is y u post at a dumb ass forum- it strokes your ego.
hope this helps you to narrow down your psychological issues.
and his muscle show very well,,infactr correction his body fat in the picture is 7-8% little under 8% ,,now to the other nonesense coments you made,,athletes in americana or anywhere else are all on hormones,,no hormones = no athlete,,the way you mesure fat mean shit it is how you look im mirror,,and how you look in mirror determine your body fat not some caliper that take into account water as fat and all the other dumb method that dont count for water and more importento skin tecture,,because skin has a lot to do with body fat ,,some fellas hold much water some les,,the fellas who hold much water sometime have lower bodyfat and you cant see it so you give them 10% when they are in reality already 8% ,, you need to know what you are talkin about when you come before me fella
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infact,,you can have an indivual walking at 8% and when he sit he will have puff roled on the lower tummy that you as a dumb pupil will think is fat,,but the reality is that not much of it is fat and majority of it is water and cirulating estrogen that bring water,,thats why this fella walk around 4 weeks and sudenly he is iron hard flat ,,because it was not fat it was little fat and much water,,that go away moment you reduce dose ,,moment you adjust diet,,and moment you use duretic the right way,,
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Seriously and I do not like Frank, At least he knew not to put a face like he was getting raped by everyone up the ass. What is the deal with these chuches with the worst facail expression ever?
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and his muscle show very well,,infactr correction his body fat in the picture is 7-8% little under 8% ,,now to the other nonesense coments you made,,athletes in americana or anywhere else are all on hormones,,no hormones = no athlete,,the way you mesure fat mean shit it is how you look im mirror,,and how you look in mirror determine your body fat not some caliper that take into account water as fat and all the other dumb method that dont count for water and more importento skin tecture,,because skin has a lot to do with body fat ,,some fellas hold much water some les,,the fellas who hold much water sometime have lower bodyfat and you cant see it so you give them 10% when they are in reality already 8% ,, you need to know what you are talkin about when you come before me fella
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Back to your wild speculative bullshit again i see...
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so by your reasoning, every zane fan is a homo, or has homo tendencies? Im worried, cause zane is my favorite bber of all time...
no, the people who think zane had a physique that could rival top pros of today are the ones with homo tendencies, or theyre just retarded
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no, the people who think zane had a physique that could rival top pros of today are the ones with homo tendencies, or theyre just retarded
Who thinks that? Zane wouldn't have broke 100lb's natural, he had good lines but the real aesthetic guys of his day were Nubret and Oliva.
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Zane looked good because he trained for 20+ years, got old, got maturity and in his day not many people trained.
Arnold made him look like a bitch because Arnold wanted to get big and then got conditioned. Kind of like Dorian at the 1992 Mr.O, he smashed them with size and dieted down more than he needed to so he was more ripped than them as well.
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Who thinks that? Zane wouldn't have broke 100lb's natural, he had good lines but the real aesthetic guys of his day were Nubret and Oliva.
nd for one, along with a ton of others
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and his muscle show very well,,infactr correction his body fat in the picture is 7-8% little under 8% ,,now to the other nonesense coments you made,,athletes in americana or anywhere else are all on hormones,,no hormones = no athlete,,the way you mesure fat mean shit it is how you look im mirror,,and how you look in mirror determine your body fat not some caliper that take into account water as fat and all the other dumb method that dont count for water and more importento skin tecture,,because skin has a lot to do with body fat ,,some fellas hold much water some les,,the fellas who hold much water sometime have lower bodyfat and you cant see it so you give them 10% when they are in reality already 8% ,, you need to know what you are talkin about when you come before me fella
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Bodybuilders are not athletes in anyway shape or form. Like me, Disco Stu discredited your ass.
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Bodybuilders are not athletes in anyway shape or form. Like me, Disco Stu discredited your ass.
im surprized you make money out of training,,not only that you never helped anyone but you sit here and consistanly lie about shit with just being the slimey pops you are,,joseph you would not even see the number 1 7 0 on the scale if not for consistant use of hormones THAT INCLUDES THE HORMONE GH,,you are the typical wanna be who never made it,,local as we call it
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Who thinks that? Zane wouldn't have broke 100lb's natural, he had good lines but the real aesthetic guys of his day were Nubret and Oliva.
zane in the 60's had a very good proportionate physique, was visibly bigger than in the late 70's, nowhere near as defined and ripped as in the late 70's/early 80's
honestly wouldnt know how reliant he was on aas, Id imagine as much as everyone else, but he could've gone the bigger route, he did get a significant bit heavier early on. I suppose he figured out the best look for himself, and ran with it
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frank couldnt be bigger,,he was 190 -200 at his maximum competing 185,, anything bigger and he would look bloofy ,,take close look at his hands,,his frame,, he was what you call average everything,,with hormones and training he achieved alot moree than many will ever achieve,,these days his size woundt mean shit,,but! if insulin was not introduced into bodybuild....he woudl still be today mr o worthy ,,he had much better physie than jason and 90 percent of top competitorsa today,,
size doesnt mean nothing if it is not conditioned and kept in symetry aka size in the right places,, if you have 50 lb in the midsection like jason have...nthing will helpo you there unless you look like ron colman but jason doesnt look like ron colman so he just win o based on the fact that the other morons behind him are no better as in abusing gh and insulin mainly,,if you can not have 32 inch waist when you hit 220 then any size you put on you is bloofiness,,i dont care how dense you are and how muscular you look ....if you dont have good shoulder to waist ratio you are not bodybuilder you are hormonized addict who bodybuild
take a look at the midsections of frank,,arnold,,serge,, sergio even,,haney,,labrada,,ray,,dexter,,its all tight and small,,take it and compare it to the jokes you see now day on stage and you get the whole bodybuild decline story
frank zane looked amazing,,if you can get to 190 at 4% and keep small waist and not use insulin and insulin gets out of bodybuild....you wil have chance at winning the big one because anything past 200 on stage for a 5'9 has A LOT TO DO WITH SLIN AND GH ,,gh i good slin is NIGHT MARE FOR BODYBUILD,,the fellas on slin iin the late 2000 have no muscular size it is blown up size that has no solid foundation
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zane was bigger, but not 4%..
I agree with 190% 4% at 5'9" 32in waist, everyone calls him a swimmer, if its so easy, then do it.
his physique appears attainable, but I have not seen it duplicated
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true adonis
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like anyone talking shit about zane can beat this
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like anyone talking shit about zane can beat this
exactly
one thing to have muscle, another to have proportion, another to be ripped, but the combo, as mentioned by gh15, of 4% at 5'9" 190lbs, 32" waist...
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like anyone talking shit about zane can beat this
Decent lines, seen better but Zane was one of the better Mr. O's.
Seen a good few guys that have surpassed his look, his genetics weren't great.
Reeves is far superior and he wasn't on half of what Frank was on.
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frank couldnt be bigger,,he was 190 -200 at his maximum competing 185,, anything bigger and he would look bloofy ,,take close look at his hands,,his frame,, he was what you call average everything,,with hormones and training he achieved alot moree than many will ever achieve,,these days his size woundt mean shit,,but! if insulin was not introduced into bodybuild....he woudl still be today mr o worthy ,,he had much better physie than jason and 90 percent of top competitorsa today,,
size doesnt mean nothing if it is not conditioned and kept in symetry aka size in the right places,, if you have 50 lb in the midsection like jason have...nthing will helpo you there unless you look like ron colman but jason doesnt look like ron colman so he just win o based on the fact that the other morons behind him are no better as in abusing gh and insulin mainly,,if you can not have 32 inch waist when you hit 220 then any size you put on you is bloofiness,,i dont care how dense you are and how muscular you look ....if you dont have good shoulder to waist ratio you are not bodybuilder you are hormonized addict who bodybuild
take a look at the midsections of frank,,arnold,,serge,, sergio even,,haney,,labrada,,ray,,dexter,,its all tight and small,,take it and compare it to the jokes you see now day on stage and you get the whole bodybuild decline story
frank zane looked amazing,,if you can get to 190 at 4% and keep small waist and not use insulin and insulin gets out of bodybuild....you wil have chance at winning the big one because anything past 200 on stage for a 5'9 has A LOT TO DO WITH SLIN AND GH ,,gh i good slin is NIGHT MARE FOR BODYBUILD,,the fellas on slin iin the late 2000 have no muscular size it is blown up size that has no solid foundation
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this is gh15 on top of his post game,dead on and true .summed up 3 decades of bbing.
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Decent lines, seen better but Zane was one of the better Mr. O's.
Seen a good few guys that have surpassed his look, his genetics weren't great.
Reeves is far superior and he wasn't on half of what Frank was on.
reeves and grimek, 2 most overrated bbers ever
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exactly
one thing to have muscle, another to have proportion, another to be ripped, but the combo, as mentioned by gh15, of 4% at 5'8" 172lbs, 32" waist...
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nd for one, along with a ton of others
really? please show me where I said Zane's physique could rival Dexters. and good luck with that one.
I think Zane has a better physique from a personal perspective , but if the two competed Dexter would beat him easily but that's not saying much. in terms of aesthetics and balance and proportion Zane easily beats Dexter but that's about it then there is also the matter of posing & physique presentation which I think Zane can give anyone a run for their money
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reeves and grimek, 2 most overrated bbers ever
LMAO @ Reeves being overrated ;D
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reeves and grimek, 2 most overrated bbers ever
Grimek was rugged, strong apparently, not that aesthetic.
Reeves is a 6'1 Zane with better lines and structure.
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My father grew up with Steve Reeves.
Steve had a prosthetic leg but was a master at "hiding his weaknesses"
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My father grew up with Steve Reeves.
Steve had a prosthetic leg but was a master at "hiding his weaknesses"
Prosthetic leg? Just when you think this site can't get anymore ridiculous...you get proved wrong.
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rugged, better structure, taller, blah, blah
overrated
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frank couldnt be bigger,,he was 190 -200 at his maximum competing 185,, anything bigger and he would look bloofy ,,take close look at his hands,,his frame,, he was what you call average everything,,with hormones and training he achieved alot moree than many will ever achieve,,these days his size woundt mean shit,,but! if insulin was not introduced into bodybuild....he woudl still be today mr o worthy ,,he had much better physie than jason and 90 percent of top competitorsa today,,
size doesnt mean nothing if it is not conditioned and kept in symetry aka size in the right places,, if you have 50 lb in the midsection like jason have...nthing will helpo you there unless you look like ron colman but jason doesnt look like ron colman so he just win o based on the fact that the other morons behind him are no better as in abusing gh and insulin mainly,,if you can not have 32 inch waist when you hit 220 then any size you put on you is bloofiness,,i dont care how dense you are and how muscular you look ....if you dont have good shoulder to waist ratio you are not bodybuilder you are hormonized addict who bodybuild
take a look at the midsections of frank,,arnold,,serge,, sergio even,,haney,,labrada,,ray,,dexter,,its all tight and small,,take it and compare it to the jokes you see now day on stage and you get the whole bodybuild decline story
frank zane looked amazing,,if you can get to 190 at 4% and keep small waist and not use insulin and insulin gets out of bodybuild....you wil have chance at winning the big one because anything past 200 on stage for a 5'9 has A LOT TO DO WITH SLIN AND GH ,,gh i good slin is NIGHT MARE FOR BODYBUILD,,the fellas on slin iin the late 2000 have no muscular size it is blown up size that has no solid foundation
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GREAT POST GOD OF HORMONE!
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And none of you fuckers comments on the fact that the guy has "angle" tattooed on his belly :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X
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Its not the matter of the difference of those physiques of Winkler and Zane. But just Zane know how to pose and other dont.
I even look better than Winkler in this pose, of course,not because of the physique, but its because of knowing how to pose.
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Prosthetic leg? Just when you think this site can't get anymore ridiculous...you get proved wrong.
ahahahaha WTF
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rugged, better structure, taller, blah, blah
overrated
Grimek was rugged, he didn't have a great structure, i think Zane has Grimek.
Reeves is better than Zane in every way concievable.
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My father grew up with Steve Reeves.
Steve had a prosthetic leg but was a master at "hiding his weaknesses"
javascript:void(0);:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
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Grimek was rugged, he didn't have a great structure, i think Zane has Grimek.
Reeves is better than Zane in every way concievable.
reeves was tall, movie star looks, wide shoulders, small waist, very proportionate, great physique, probably the inspiration for other great proportionate physiques like zane, paris, benfatto
but people talk about the guy like his farts didnt smell, he walked on water before he turned it to wine, then parted it... just another bber, also enhanced, btw...
test was available, he used dbol too, and in a musclemag interview he mentions that he made such great gains when he started training, the bigger guys asked him if he was on the juice (meaning steroids), he responded yes he drank oranje juice...
everyone gets their undies all tangled up when anything re reeves thats not p.c. gets mentioned. just because they're from the ironage doesnt mean they were better people, natural, or gods, same shit, different era
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reeves was tall, movie star looks, wide shoulders, small waist, very proportionate, great physique, probably the inspiration for other great proportionate physiques like zane, paris, benfatto
but people talk about the guy like his farts didnt smell, he walked on water before he turned it to wine, then parted it... just another bber, also enhanced, btw...
test was available, he used dbol too, and in a musclemag interview he mentions that he made such great gains when he started training, the bigger guys asked him if he was on the juice (meaning steroids), he responded yes he drank oranje juice...
everyone gets their undies all tangled up when anything re reeves thats not p.c. gets mentioned. just because they're from the ironage doesnt mean they were better people, natural, or gods, same shit, different era
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lmfao test was ' available ' one mention of testosterone esters doesn't mean it was readily available and it worked , the creator of Dbol used testosterone injections before he created the pill and he abandoned the practice because he yield NO results and we're to believe a layperson had access to testosterone and it was effective years before any recorded use of test in strength athletes , nonsense. and he used Dbol? Dbol wasn't invented until years after he retired
Reeves walks on water
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test was available, yes he did use dbol
"lmao" all you want
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test was available, yes he did use dbol
"lmao" all you want
I will at your ignorance ;D :D ::)
I love you how post examples and provide proof great job . you BELIEVE test was readily available and for you to claim he did use dbol would mean you know this first hand which is bullshit
you know the timeline of dbol , it was created years AFTER he retired and if you know anything about Reeves after he retired in 1950 he dropped weight for the movies so to claim he used it when it was available makes no sense
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test was available, yes he did use dbol
"lmao" all you want
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Prove it....Oh wait! You can't.
No offense, but you cannot prove it. Steve Reeves doesn't remotely look like a doper, not even a doper from the 1960s. His physique is superior due to hard training, diet and exemplary genetics. Yup, exemplary genetics. Unlike the pusillanimous pussbags of today, the ones that morons worship as genetic giants, Reeves had what it took and took that potential and worked hard for what he built.
These ass clowns of the past 30, 40 and nearly 50 years simply took drugs. Oh to be certain, they trained much harder in the earlier years than they ever do now but that is only because of such "gains" as HGH, synthol and insulin. Fuck that noise. There's a reason that in spite of my height and build I chose the screen name "Reeves".
He was the best. He didn't walk on water, but I'd bet that the water he drank was just that: water. Not the Kool Aid that today's worthless chumpions down by the cc. You can tell the world that Steve Reeves took steroids, but all you're doing is trying to rationalize the shortcomings of those that take drugs. They are over their heads in the shallow end of the gene pool.
I do agree with you about Zane. He was, and still is, great. Took drugs, but for a doper there are few that can rival him and in terms of physical quality and grace along with his intelligence, none that equal him. A good man. Yes, I've met him.
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STEVE "HERCULES" REEVES
Bodybuilding Legend Joins Muscular Development
"For over 30 years I've remained silent and just watched the transition that bodybuilding has made. And in my opinion, and in the opinions of many who have talked to me, bodybuilding, as it's practiced and promoted today, is dying--and dying fast.
Well, it's a good thing! Never in my life would I have imagined that such a terrific sport would be filled with so-called "champions" who are held up as heroes and adulated for physiques that are built with drugs. What kind of "real" bodybuilding champion is that?
Since when did a distinction need to be made between a "natural" bodybuilder and "chemical bodybuilder"? When I built my body, you were a bodybuilder--period! And you did it without drugs, by training hard, eating right and getting the right amount of rest.
It disturbs me to no end that today's muscle magazines are filled with stories on this-and-that champion's routine, when all the while the average man and woman are misled because these same magazines won't dare print the truth! And the truth is that these "champions" built their physiques after spending tens of thousands of dollars on steroids, growth hormone, insulin and whatever else happens to be the latest rage.
The public has been deceived for too long and it's time someone takes a stand. I will!
I want you to go to any newsstand during any given month and you'll find these same muscle magazines with cover blurbs and articles about the latest drugs. Open them up and you'll find page after page about drugs, how to take them and what to avoid. All this is the lie of supposedly giving their readers the information they say they want to know!
Recently, someone showed me a magazine put out by a young man in Colorado, and I was shocked. Unbelievably, bodybuilding is the only "sport" that has a magazine devoted to drugs! And this magazine promotes this character they call "the guru," who answers your most-asked drug-related questions.
After seeing photos of this fella, it makes you wonder; if drugs were so good, why didn't they work for him? Hey, and he's supposedly the "expert," whom people who want to know turn to! Wake up, friends! When and where will all this nonsense end? The other magazines won't stop it--and the bodybuilders sure as hell won't because they're stuck; either you keep taking drugs and getting bigger and more cut, or you won't win contests or get an endorsement contract.
Never in my life have I used any drug to build my body. Never! I wasn't born with the physique I built; I worked hard for it. Yet, I did it naturally. Sure, I didn't build it up to the size of today's drug-enhanced physiques, but I was after symmetry and proportion, and I achieved it in a package that allowed me to win the Mr. America and Mr. Universe titles, along with giving me a successful film career. Even today, at 71 years of age, I work on my ranch, work out and would be willing to bet that I could out-power walk many of those bloated muscle druggies 40 years my junior!
To me, a bodybuilder is someone who not only builds his body naturally, but has functional, real-world muscle that can be used at any time, and will help the person perform any activity better.
When it came to my body--the body you saw--and the condition I had, that was the body I had 24 hours a day, 365 days a year! I was not some bloated, out-of-shape, easily winded giant whose razor-sharp physique could only stay that way for a few weeks before or after a contest. (I can just hear the directive from the magazine editor to the photographers, "Hurry and snap those pictures before we lose him!")
When Steve Blechman, Publisher and Editor-In-Chief of NATURAL MD, spoke to me about his vision for taking the sport back to its natural roots, I applauded him. For others in the industry have had the opportunity and have "talked the talk," but no one has had the guts to take a stand for what's right. Blechman has. And that is why, after all these years, I've decided to help the sport I love get back to its proper place. One of the ways I intend to do that is by writing a monthly column for NATURAL MD magazine.
Something needs to be done now; we have no choice. For where there is no vision the people perish; and where there is no vision for the future of bodybuilding, bodybuilding will perish.
Many people may ask if there is another reason for me coming out of retirement to help save the sport. The answer is no, and I want to make one thing crystal clear: My passion for what I do has never been driven by money. I retired at the peak of my movie career, so that I could live life on my own terms.
All my life, I have never answered to anyone and I'm not about to do it now. The only thing I can give you in the coming months--through the pages of this magazine--is honesty and the truth about building your body without drugs.
I will teach you everything you will need to know to build the body you truly want. That is, to build it naturally and without any drugs. If you want to look like the other bodybuilders and want the latest drug information, then go to the other magazines. I'm only interested in talking about one thing: real bodybuilding. If that's what you want, then my friend, welcome home!"
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STEVE "HERCULES" REEVES
Bodybuilding Legend Joins Muscular Development
"For over 30 years I've remained silent and just watched the transition that bodybuilding has made. And in my opinion, and in the opinions of many who have talked to me, bodybuilding, as it's practiced and promoted today, is dying--and dying fast.
Well, it's a good thing! Never in my life would I have imagined that such a terrific sport would be filled with so-called "champions" who are held up as heroes and adulated for physiques that are built with drugs. What kind of "real" bodybuilding champion is that?
Since when did a distinction need to be made between a "natural" bodybuilder and "chemical bodybuilder"? When I built my body, you were a bodybuilder--period! And you did it without drugs, by training hard, eating right and getting the right amount of rest.
It disturbs me to no end that today's muscle magazines are filled with stories on this-and-that champion's routine, when all the while the average man and woman are misled because these same magazines won't dare print the truth! And the truth is that these "champions" built their physiques after spending tens of thousands of dollars on steroids, growth hormone, insulin and whatever else happens to be the latest rage.
The public has been deceived for too long and it's time someone takes a stand. I will!
I want you to go to any newsstand during any given month and you'll find these same muscle magazines with cover blurbs and articles about the latest drugs. Open them up and you'll find page after page about drugs, how to take them and what to avoid. All this is the lie of supposedly giving their readers the information they say they want to know!
Recently, someone showed me a magazine put out by a young man in Colorado, and I was shocked. Unbelievably, bodybuilding is the only "sport" that has a magazine devoted to drugs! And this magazine promotes this character they call "the guru," who answers your most-asked drug-related questions.
After seeing photos of this fella, it makes you wonder; if drugs were so good, why didn't they work for him? Hey, and he's supposedly the "expert," whom people who want to know turn to! Wake up, friends! When and where will all this nonsense end? The other magazines won't stop it--and the bodybuilders sure as hell won't because they're stuck; either you keep taking drugs and getting bigger and more cut, or you won't win contests or get an endorsement contract.
Never in my life have I used any drug to build my body. Never! I wasn't born with the physique I built; I worked hard for it. Yet, I did it naturally. Sure, I didn't build it up to the size of today's drug-enhanced physiques, but I was after symmetry and proportion, and I achieved it in a package that allowed me to win the Mr. America and Mr. Universe titles, along with giving me a successful film career. Even today, at 71 years of age, I work on my ranch, work out and would be willing to bet that I could out-power walk many of those bloated muscle druggies 40 years my junior!
To me, a bodybuilder is someone who not only builds his body naturally, but has functional, real-world muscle that can be used at any time, and will help the person perform any activity better.
When it came to my body--the body you saw--and the condition I had, that was the body I had 24 hours a day, 365 days a year! I was not some bloated, out-of-shape, easily winded giant whose razor-sharp physique could only stay that way for a few weeks before or after a contest. (I can just hear the directive from the magazine editor to the photographers, "Hurry and snap those pictures before we lose him!")
When Steve Blechman, Publisher and Editor-In-Chief of NATURAL MD, spoke to me about his vision for taking the sport back to its natural roots, I applauded him. For others in the industry have had the opportunity and have "talked the talk," but no one has had the guts to take a stand for what's right. Blechman has. And that is why, after all these years, I've decided to help the sport I love get back to its proper place. One of the ways I intend to do that is by writing a monthly column for NATURAL MD magazine.
Something needs to be done now; we have no choice. For where there is no vision the people perish; and where there is no vision for the future of bodybuilding, bodybuilding will perish.
Many people may ask if there is another reason for me coming out of retirement to help save the sport. The answer is no, and I want to make one thing crystal clear: My passion for what I do has never been driven by money. I retired at the peak of my movie career, so that I could live life on my own terms.
All my life, I have never answered to anyone and I'm not about to do it now. The only thing I can give you in the coming months--through the pages of this magazine--is honesty and the truth about building your body without drugs.
I will teach you everything you will need to know to build the body you truly want. That is, to build it naturally and without any drugs. If you want to look like the other bodybuilders and want the latest drug information, then go to the other magazines. I'm only interested in talking about one thing: real bodybuilding. If that's what you want, then my friend, welcome home!"
Bazinga!
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I will at your ignorance ;D :D ::)
I love you how post examples and provide proof great job . you BELIEVE test was readily available and for you to claim he did use dbol would mean you know this first hand which is bullshit
you know the timeline of dbol , it was created years AFTER he retired and if you know anything about Reeves after he retired in 1950 he dropped weight for the movies so to claim he used it when it was available makes no sense
not me, I dont consider you ignorant either, does anyone, besides one looking at the world though rose-tinted glasses expect reeves to admit aas use, cmon ND, youre smarter than that
believe in fairy-tales, Im not saying zane was a better bber, better man, etc, just reeves is overrated. proof, no, I wasnt there, but around that time hoffman athletes were already using test, you guys (reeves, ND) know this too, but refusing to admit the holy reeves used
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not me, I dont consider you ignorant either, does anyone, besides one looking at the world though rose-tinted glasses expect reeves to admit aas use, cmon ND, youre smarter than that
believe in fairy-tales, Im not saying zane was a better bber, better man, etc, just reeves is overrated. proof, no, I wasnt there, but around that time hoffman athletes were already using test, you guys (reeves, ND) know this too, but refusing to admit the holy reeves used
I don't care if anyone uses AAS I have zero problems with it , I never have. but when it comes to Reeves the time-line doesn't fit. John Ziegler was using test on Hoffman's weightlifters AFTER Reeves retired he didn't create D-bol until years AFTER Reeves retired again the time-line doesn't fit
Reeves was a man of honor and integrity he's always been adamantly opposed to drugs in bodybuilding and that's never changed. lets say for the sake of argument he did use he would have absolutely no reason what so ever to lie about it , they wouldn't have been illegal or a banned substance , Reeves using drugs doesn't fit the time-line and just doesn't make sense , he was 6'1" and weighed 215lbs , he wasn't exceptionally big in his time again Reeves on drugs defies logic , it has nothing to do with hero-worship
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many from that time used, and were open about it, only to backtrack at a later time
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zane would've evolved
ROFL!! That's about the funniest thing i've seen in a while, however, the picture needs to be bigger.
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many from that time used, and were open about it, only to backtrack at a later time
Again you keep making a lot of claims where is the proof? ??? I found not ONE single reference to anyone using test in the United States before Dr John Ziegler started in the mid 1950s , the earliest references I've seen to aas being used in the west coast bodybuilding scene was 1960.
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you know that test was "discovered" in the late 1800's, studies on it were published round the turn of the century
just because it didnt become mainstream information until the 60's, doesnt mean it wasnt around, same goes for ziegler
I cant prove any present time bber is on drugs neither, nor can anyone disprove the guys werent taking then, just because there wasnt a big write-up on it, and because they deny it
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Zane was and is a monument to what is great about bodybuilding.
If people wonder why no one gives a shit about bodybuilding and why no money is in the sport they need look no further than the fact that zane would lose to fatso in the mr O nowadays.
First of all, why are people comparing a contest shot of Zane with an OFFSEASON/guest-posing shot of Winklaar?
Second, regarding the money thing, you forget that when Zane competed only the winner of the Olympia got paid. Now there are two shows with six-figure prize money, with a third in the works. "Amateurs" today get paid WAY more than Zane got during his prime Mr.O-winning years.
Third, Zane's physique is just as "disgusting", to the average Joe, as those of today's bodybuilders. This whole idea that old-school bodybuilders' physiques are more appealing to the mainstream is a fallacy. Show some pics of Frank Zane and Arnold Schwarzenegger in their primes, and you'll get the same "That's gross!! That's nasty!! I wouldn't want to look like that comments" that you'd get by showing pics of today's bodybuilders.
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according to below brief history, it was 1st synthesized circa 1935, that would be the recognized post experimental recognized study results, so very possible previous experiments done, and availability. according to this, test as we know it today (at least by name) was available in the 50's.
those were very experimental times where today's concerns and fears were not common-place, very possible that before these hormones were made available & recognized in the 30's, they were being administered for 5-10 yrs, to the weight-lifters for example, maybe hoffmans lifters..
yes, all hypothetical conjecture on my part...
E Nieschlag
Institute of Reproductive Medicine of the University, Muenster, Germany.
2005 marks the 100th anniversary of the creation of the term hormone by Ernest Starling. Although its biological effects were known since antiquity, the name testosterone (T) was coined only in 1935, when Ernest Laqueur isolated it from bull testes. The road to this isolation was long: John Hunter had transplanted testes into capons in 1786 and Adolph Berthold postulated internal secretion from his testicular transplantation experiments in 1849. Following his observations, testicular preparations were used for therapy, popularised by self-experiments of Brown-Séquard (1889), which can at best have had placebo effects. Nevertheless, testis preparations were consumed until quite recently for the enhancement of virility. In the 1920s Sergio Voronoff transplanted testes from animals to men, but their effectiveness was disproven by the Royal Society of Medicine in 1927. Modern androgen therapy started when T was chemically synthesized independently in 1935 by Aldolf Butenandt and Leopold Ruzicka.
Since T was ineffective orally it was either compressed into subcutaneous pellets or was used orally as 17α-methyl T, now obsolete because of toxic side effects. In the 1950s longer-acting injectable T enanthate became the preferred therapeutic modality. In the 1950s and 1960s research concentrated on the chemical modification of androgens in order to emphasise their anabolic effects. Although anabolic steroids largely disappeared from clinical medicine, they continue an illegal life for doping. In the 1970s the orally effective T undecanoate was added to the spectrum of preparations. In 1992 WHO, NIH and FDA postulated preparations of natural T mimicking physiological serum levels, a demand first met by a transdermal scrotal film. Non-scrotal skin patches followed and finally in 2000 transdermal T gels became available. The most recent additions to T substitution therapy, the short-acting buccal T and the long-acting injectable T undecanoate, also fulfil the demand for physiological serum levels.
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I would rather walk around looking like Zane then Winklar. Wouldn't have to be huffing and puffing and having the "bodybuilder" walk going on. Lol, the bodybuilder walk always cracks me up.
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you know that test was "discovered" in the late 1800's, studies on it were published round the turn of the century
just because it didnt become mainstream information until the 60's, doesnt mean it wasnt around, same goes for ziegler
I cant prove any present time bber is on drugs neither, nor can anyone disprove the guys werent taking then, just because there wasnt a big write-up on it, and because they deny it
yes we've heard this all before but nothing of substance , the beginning of test use in strength athletes starts with Ziegler I can't find anything on the subject before hand in this country which always leads use back to people working on nothing except suspicion or a hunch
if anyone had anything that predates this it would have been posted eons ago I deal in facts not bullshit.
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if anyone had anything that predates this it would have been posted eons ago I deal in facts not bullshit.
not everything is on the net or mags
test was isolated and administered in the 30's
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zanes alright, but liedelmeyer should be the benchmark
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And none of you fuckers comments on the fact that the guy has "angle" tattooed on his belly :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X
Angel, I believe it's his child's name.
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Angel, I believe it's his child's name.
the name of a stripper he met in amsterdam while she was on an education & skills exchange program from vegas, his first love.
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'Even balls that size wouldn't produce the testosterone in me right now'
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I don't wanna believe gh15. I'd like to know I could have 22 inch arms naturally.
but nobody has proved him wrong yet they still argue with him.