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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: RocketSwitch625 on April 09, 2011, 04:56:43 PM
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Discuss.
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sick, nothing missing nothing out of proportion etc etc and has obligatory striated glutes (no homo)
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Discuss.
No one comes close , that shot lacks NOTHING ans blows anyone out of the water today
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Fuck!
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que hulkster to post the asc ronnie pic in 3......2.......1.......
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que hulkster to post the asc ronnie pic in 3......2.......1.......
Post ANY Ronnie pic you want , it just doesn't compare NO ONE does it has absolutely everything and needs nothing , that can't be said about anyone else.
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Ronnie and Dorian are evenly as good, but Dorian is white so he wins
;D
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Ronnie and Dorian are evenly as good, but Dorian is white so he wins
;D
haha ronnie owned
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Ronnie and Dorian are evenly as good, but Dorian is white so he wins
;D
Dorian was better , Ronnie knows this only his fan-boys don't
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sick, nothing missing nothing out of proportion etc etc and has obligatory striated glutes (no homo)
x2 :P
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Is Hulkster still around? Haven't seen him post in a while.
Doz looking diesel there. And yes, best BDB shot ever.
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Is Hulkster still around? Haven't seen him post in a while.
Doz looking diesel there. And yes, best BDB shot ever.
We'll find out in a little ;D and it's only these topics that bring him out from under his rock
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We'll find out in a little ;D and it's only these topics that bring him out from under his rock
lol
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Owned
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=127955.0;attach=143128;image)
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Owned
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=127955.0;attach=143128;image)
yeah I agree Shawn is owned ;)
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Perhaps.
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yeah I agree Shawn is owned ;)
Hahah ,Shawn destroying that bloated mess.
(http://muscletime.com/index.php?view=image&format=raw&type=img&id=40121&option=com_joomgallery&Itemid=202)
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End of thread
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Looks like you adore the black cock.
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same contest , I'm afraid not :-\
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Perhaps.
Good thing you didn't show the rest ;D
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same contest , I'm afraid not :-\
wonder what the hell was eating his left side. you can already see it in that picture.
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Looks like you adore the black cock.
Hey..... thats my line >:(
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same contest , I'm afraid not :-\
i agree dorian looks sick as fuck in the back double bi. to alot of people, they could honestly say they think dorians back is as good if not slightly better. but dorians back has a shape only some people will find ideal. it does not have much dramatic taper to it, its just huge. ronnie has more dramatic flare to the side, and is still huge, so most people find that to be better, simply because it looks like more muscle, even if it really isnt. ;) ronnie did get bigger than dorian even though dorian was very close and equal to smaller versions of ronnie like 98 but he never had the overall size and freakyness ronnie did. maybe its partly due to ronnie having more striations, veins, and muscle "pop" than dorian.
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Dorian's rear double---> Nearly NON-existent Biceps!!!
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Hahah ,Shawn destroying that bloated mess.
(http://muscletime.com/index.php?view=image&format=raw&type=img&id=40121&option=com_joomgallery&Itemid=202)
i agree shawn is killing him there but bloated mess? come on dorian looks sick right there
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i agree dorian looks sick as fuck in the back double bi. to alot of people, they could honestly say they think dorians back is as good if not slightly better. but dorians back has a shape only some people will find ideal. it does not have much dramatic taper to it, its just huge. ronnie has more dramatic flare to the side, and is still huge, so most people find that to be better, simply because it looks like more muscle, even if it really isnt. ;) ronnie did get bigger than dorian even though dorian was very close and equal to smaller versions of ronnie like 98 but he never had the overall size and freakyness ronnie did. maybe its partly due to ronnie having more striations, veins, and muscle "pop" than dorian.
;)
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Hahah ,Shawn destroying that bloated mess.
(http://muscletime.com/index.php?view=image&format=raw&type=img&id=40121&option=com_joomgallery&Itemid=202)
Sean's hairline seems to be scared of his face.
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Dorian's rear double---> Nearly NON-existent Biceps!!!
Ronnie's no existent calves , never mind his sub-par conditioning ( compared to Dorian ) and balance & proportion and just about everything else
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Dorian's rear double---> Nearly NON-existent Biceps!!!
I agree
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;)
that picture is not to scale.
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Discuss.
avg arnold pics beat this fatty
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No bis? open your eyes :D
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No bis? open your eyes :D
Hhah tiny biceps .
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that picture is not to scale.
Says you , that's a more accurate representation of reality
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I agree
baker lookin jacked as fuck...
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Hhah tiny biceps .
tiny? ???
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I agree
soft as fuck :-\
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tiny? ???
looks like an oil painting
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tiny? ???
yes tiny
(http://www.area9.net/gallery/dorian3.jpg)
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yes tiny
At times in his career sure , but in the pic I posted? absolutely NOT
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looks like an oil painting
crappy Youtube screen-grab
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Just got off the phone with Bob Chick's tailor.
Bob wears 45 inch pants with an elasticated waist band to accommodate the distention resulting from disgusting binges following those lonely moments of self reflection, staring blankly into a bathroom mirror, the startling image of a withered, balding man with hollow eyes and a cheap toupee hanging in the background.
What have I become
My sweetest friend
Everyone I know,
goes away
In the end
Stay Positive!!!!!
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Just got off the phone with Bob Chick's tailor.
Bob wears 45 inch pants with an elasticated waist band to accommodate the distention resulting from disgusting binges following those lonely moments of self reflection, staring blankly into a bathroom mirror, the startling image of a withered, balding man with hollow eyes and a cheap toupee hanging in the background.
What have I become
My sweetest friend
Everyone I know,
goes away
In the end
Your favorite cologne: CK Obsession?
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Never seen this 1 B4
(http://bodyspace.bodybuilding.com/img/user_images/growable/2008/11/05/12720532/gallerypic/2347671.jpg)
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(http://imagecdn.bodybuilding.com/img/user_images/growable/2010/01/13/26485/profilepic/1Mj4frPPzRh8kdrjuylPKGUvyYVUXD113.jpeg)
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same contest , I'm afraid not :-\
Enough water to cause a spontanious tsunami.
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Never seen this 1 B4
(http://bodyspace.bodybuilding.com/img/user_images/growable/2008/11/05/12720532/gallerypic/2347671.jpg)
Great shot and neither have I
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The photo in the OP is incredible to be sure, and I prefer Dorian's physique to Coleslaw's any day but remain a fan of Reeves, the Oak, Park, Draper, Pearl, Zane, Nubret and Paris in about that order. Bodybuilding is highly subjective. For example I think Levrone is another competitor that is superior to Ronaldo the Obese with Shawn Ray also presenting a more aesthetically pleasing and proportionate physique than Gutler or Coleslaw to name two recent fatasses of the dais.
But Yates was good, very good indeed. Better than Sir Ronald of Coleslaw? Subjectively so. Others think differently, as is their right.
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sick, nothing missing nothing out of proportion etc etc and has obligatory striated glutes (no homo)
lacks biceps peak, calves overpower thighs, and quite frankly not his sharpest looking back for what he's known for.
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At times in his career sure , but in the pic I posted? absolutely NOT
dorian bicep were always weak point,,they were jjust not geneticaly blessed,,his tricep a diff story very well developed both size and condition,,
but! eventhough his bicep were weak point and were really nothing to write home about...in the rear double bi he wipe the floor with all other bodybuilders due to the conditioned size of the back ,,not freakiness! but conditioned size,,his bis were decent enough to pull a great look in this pose,,and they were oil less aka no oil in them,,so like haney his bis sucked in relashion to his other body parts but! like haney he won multiple titles and as you can see bicep used to mean ABSOLITLY NOTHING WHEN YOU HAD FOUNDATION AND HAD DEVELOPED MUSCLES....WHEN YOU ACTRUALY HAD PHYSIQE THAT WAS DEVELOPED ON STEROIDS FIRST AND THEN ON GH ...now day you got the losers pinning themselves right on with 15 iu gh and all you can eat insulina buffet and ofcourse arms will grow balooned big and bodyfat will be low but! do they have conditioned size that is developed properly ? the answer is no
gh15 approved
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dorian bicep were always weak point,,they were jjust not geneticaly blessed,,his tricep a diff story very well developed both size and condition,,
but! eventhough his bicep were weak point and were really nothing to write home about...in the rear double bi he wipe the floor with all other bodybuilders due to the conditioned size of the back ,,not freakiness! but conditioned size,,his bis were decent enough to pull a great look in this pose,,and they were oil less aka no oil in them,,so like haney his bis sucked in relashion to his other body parts but! like haney he won multiple titles and as you can see bicep used to mean ABSOLITLY NOTHING WHEN YOU HAD FOUNDATION AND HAD DEVELOPED MUSCLES....WHEN YOU ACTRUALY HAD PHYSIQE THAT WAS DEVELOPED ON STEROIDS FIRST AND THEN ON GH ...now day you got the losers pinning themselves right on with 15 iu gh and all you can eat insulina buffet and ofcourse arms will grow balooned big and bodyfat will be low but! do they have conditioned size that is developed properly ? the answer is no
gh15 approved
Your masterful use of rhetorical questions has been noted
clowney approved
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Your masterful use of rhetorical questions has been noted
clowney approved
Ain't you gonna ax him 'bout writin' a novella or somefin? ;D
Later. ;D
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Its called rear double biceps for a reason.
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with 15 iu gh and all you can eat insulina buffet
;D
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Post ANY Ronnie pic you want , it just doesn't compare NO ONE does it has absolutely everything and needs nothing , that can't be said about anyone else.
site injected calves that don't flex = Epic Fail
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site injected calves that don't flex = Epic Fail
You like it when they flex... and throb?
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Now THAT's a rear double biceps !!!
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(http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/8784/staredadunderwear690693.jpg)
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dorian
condition in the upper body
shoulders
claves
ronnie
everything else
a tie far ahead of everybody else
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the thing i liked about dorian was even relaxed, he looked dense and hard,,, todays just look fat until they hit a pose
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Winner=Robbie Robinson, as one has gots to have a tiny wasp waist to add da finishing touch FACT
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Gary Strydom had the greatest back ever !
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Discuss.
The bottom half is great proportions but I've seen tons of better top halfs.
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If Ronnie's left lat was as good as his right then it would be no contest.
1993 Yates takes it.
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:)
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:)
In your fucking dreams son.
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yeah I agree Shawn is owned ;)
Hehe, I took that screenshot :)
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the good old times...will they ever come back?
(http://www.bodybuilding-pics.com/166/images/Shawn_Ray_53.jpg)
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same contest , I'm afraid not :-\
I think the post was based on the picture, not the contest.
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Its called rear double biceps for a reason.
amen.
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Its called rear double biceps for a reason.
And calves are just as important to the shot as biceps are ;)
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And calves are just as important to the shot as biceps are ;)
I feel they overpower his thighs. Just my dear, humble opinion.
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dorian bicep were always weak point,,they were jjust not geneticaly blessed,,his tricep a diff story very well developed both size and condition,,
but! eventhough his bicep were weak point and were really nothing to write home about...in the rear double bi he wipe the floor with all other bodybuilders due to the conditioned size of the back ,,not freakiness! but conditioned size,,his bis were decent enough to pull a great look in this pose,,and they were oil less aka no oil in them,,so like haney his bis sucked in relashion to his other body parts but! like haney he won multiple titles and as you can see bicep used to mean ABSOLITLY NOTHING WHEN YOU HAD FOUNDATION AND HAD DEVELOPED MUSCLES....WHEN YOU ACTRUALY HAD PHYSIQE THAT WAS DEVELOPED ON STEROIDS FIRST AND THEN ON GH ...now day you got the losers pinning themselves right on with 15 iu gh and all you can eat insulina buffet and ofcourse arms will grow balooned big and bodyfat will be low but! do they have conditioned size that is developed properly ? the answer is no
gh15 approved
What restaurant can I find these all you can eat gh buffet ???
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not as detailed as his 257 pounds version on the olympia stage few weeks later but yes i agree these famous b&w shots show his most impressive version!!..
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dorian at 269 pounds vs dorian at 257 pounds in 93:
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=251821.0
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And calves are just as important to the shot as biceps are ;)
Yes, Ronnie is incomplete too..
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Perhaps this is the best rear double biceps shot ever.
http://badassbodybuilders.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/6-2-2011-125.jpg
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Tell Marko/"bodybastard" to post more often.
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Perhaps this is the best rear double biceps shot ever.
http://badassbodybuilders.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/6-2-2011-125.jpg
synthol
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:P
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Thread closed.
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Thread closed.
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I thought oil and water did not mix, but I am clearly mistaken.
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Ronnie Coleman FTW
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:P
(http://www.femalebodybuilderporn.org/pics/back-double-biceps-female.jpg)
Looking good Coach
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:P
228.5 with abs,,,
how about we try 180lb on stage after 30 years on hormones and still not sandy dry aka hold water from hormones aka dont use the right diuretics ...
gh15 approved
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:P
Good condition Joe
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Are really aiming to lose another battle with me GH15 (nasser)?
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Dorian was big and dense...but for bodybuilding i think there is a lot of guys who hae better shape and details...Flex, Dexter, the little guy...hm...dave henry, the new little guy...Flex Lewis...
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Are really aiming to lose another battle with me GH15 (nasser)?
What battles has GH15 ever lost to you?
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What battles has GH15 ever lost to you?
his arms are 16.5 inch pumped to the max lol but hey hey he is 229.2 with abs...,,look at that fuckin picture this is what he look when he get in condition and in good light! meaning you take this pic in the morning with regular light in lighted day light room and you dont see half the detail in the back that this pic show,,
all im saying is that this fella is as far from 221.54 lb as americana is far from china,, maye MAYBE 180 lb and also not of the best kind on stage,,said befor millipon times that leaf buy 180 5'11 wipe floor with him on stage and that fella is 180lb in condition on stage lol
this is right here show that weight means nothing,,5'6 236.4 with abs... fuckin water logged lol
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Discuss.
great back double biceps for sure, and definitely worthy of being the 2nd best ever, but still can't beat the GOAT ;)
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his arms are 16.5 inch pumped to the max lol but hey hey he is 229.2 with abs...,,look at that fuckin picture this is what he look when he get in condition and in good light! meaning you take this pic in the morning with regular light in lighted day light room and you dont see half the detail in the back that this pic show,,
all im saying is that this fella is as far from 221.54 lb as americana is far from china,, maye MAYBE 180 lb and also not of the best kind on stage,,said befor millipon times that leaf buy 180 5'11 wipe floor with him on stage and that fella is 180lb in condition on stage lol
this is right here show that weight means nothing,,5'6 236.4 with abs... fuckin water logged lol
gh15 approved
Dude, I could care less whether my arms are 14.5, 16.5 or 20, the fact is for as much of "expert" you THINK you are, your knowledge of human physiology is that of asking a child to point to his arm and instead points to a toe. Now, here's what I think and am 99.5% sure of.........your entire training is based around WHEN you're on a cycle and how much, it's all about drugs, rarely have you mentioned anything about training. NOW, here's the thing Nasser, over the years I've been training (since I was 12) I hardly ever took anytime off whether if I was on cycle or off off a cycle. The cycles I have ever been on lasted no more than 12-16 weeks once MAYBE twice per year and never once went beyond 1g during any one cycle and when I younger and since I couldn't afford hardly anything, I took hardly anything and unlike you and the vast majority of pro's now a days, I relied on my training.....just like I do now. Now "GH15" do you know what lower doses and heavy training (ALL YEAR AROUND) translates too? Well, you more than likely don't know so I'll tell you......building and retaining more muscle throughout the years. Now, this is how retarded you are when it come to you're knowledge, the higher the doses over a shorter period of time mean LESS MUSCLE built over the long run.
Here, lets take your buddy Mustafa Mohammed for example, competed at what 270? Now look at now him, small, skinny barely looks like he stand on his own let alone train. Off my cycle and off his cycle, I retain more muscle, that's just a fact son. I was off for over 3 years before I started this HRT and the lowest I got was 205lbs and the best part of that is, I was still training although I did take time off when I wanted and only trained 2 days per week. Right now my cycle consists of 1/2 cc per week of test and THATS IT, that's all I need and thats all I want. Being that I was off for so long, I responded right away. Seriously dude, you might know drug cycles but your knowledge is limited to that and NOTHING else. A "pro" LOL.
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Off cycle........
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Dude, I could care less whether my arms are 14.5, 16.5 or 20, the fact is for as much of "expert" you THINK you are, your knowledge of human physiology is that of asking a child to point to his arm and instead points to a toe. Now, here's what I think and am 99.5% sure of.........your entire training is based around WHEN you're on a cycle and how much, it's all about drugs, rarely have you mentioned anything about training. NOW, here's the thing Nasser, over the years I've been training (since I was 12) I hardly ever took anytime off whether if I was on cycle or off off a cycle. The cycles I have ever been on lasted no more than 12-16 weeks once MAYBE twice per year and never once went beyond 1g during any one cycle and when I younger and since I couldn't afford hardly anything, I took hardly anything and unlike you and the vast majority of pro's now a days, I relied on my training.....just like I do now. Now "GH15" do you know what lower doses and heavy training (ALL YEAR AROUND) translates too? Well, you more than likely don't know so I'll tell you......building and retaining more muscle throughout the years. Now, this is how retarded you are when it come to you're knowledge, the higher the doses over a shorter period of time mean LESS MUSCLE built over the long run.
Here, lets take your buddy Mustafa Mohammed for example, competed at what 270? Now look at now him, small, skinny barely looks like he stand on his own let alone train. Off my cycle and off his cycle, I retain more muscle, that's just a fact son. I was off for over 3 years before I started this HRT and the lowest I got was 205lbs and the best part of that is, I was still training although I did take time off when I wanted and only trained 2 days per week. Right now my cycle consists of 1/2 cc per week of test and THATS IT, that's all I need and thats all I want. Being that I was off for so long, I responded right away. Seriously dude, you might know drug cycles but your knowledge is limited to that and NOTHING else. A "pro" LOL.
1. mustaf is not my buddy
2. im nto your son
3. you were nto off for 3 years maybe in your dreams lol but you were soft and chubb chubb due to not caring about bodybuilding,,doesnt mean you were off ,,it mean you were downing doses and realy didnt care about the stuff who actualy PUT ONES TO SHAPE,, big diff josephino
4. im not your son
5. your half cc of testosterona a week is a lie because no one prep for shows or dialing in on half cc of testosterona it involve MUCH MUCH MORE THAN THAT from gh to trenbolona and inbetween
6. true bodybuild never go off trenbolona or if go off its only when offseason and dont care much to gain conditioned size,,since no trenbolona = no real lean gowth of tissue which is neseassary when you walk around and 'diet',,for not to forget stress of life,,work ,,bills,,females,, life in general ,,kids,, parents,, guest show ,,activities of daily life,,all take toll so your little chiken and potato wont put the nesasery mesurements on your physoqe inorder to step on stage,,big diff between dialing in and get ripped while losing size and what you and all other bodybuild do which is dialing in while not losing any musculatory size what so ever and infact gaining size while dieting! that can only come from the following combo ..gh testosterona trenbolona ,,this is THE ONLY COMBO that will do it
7 im not your son
8 my training was natural and TEULY NATURAL at begginign of my career and nto for 3 months but for few years,,
9 im not your son
10 im still not your son
gh15 approved
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More off cycle
(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e196/Intenseone/SDC10076.jpg)
(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e196/Intenseone/CalledOut_Fight_5_00.jpg)
GH15 =
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1. mustaf is not my buddy
2. im nto your son
3. you were nto off for 3 years maybe in your dreams lol but you were soft and chubb chubb due to not caring about bodybuilding,,doesnt mean you were off ,,it mean you were downing doses and realy didnt care about the stuff who actualy PUT ONES TO SHAPE,, big diff josephino
4. im not your son
5. your half cc of testosterona a week is a lie because no one prep for shows or dialing in on half cc of testosterona it involve MUCH MUCH MORE THAN THAT from gh to trenbolona and inbetween
6. true bodybuild never go off trenbolona or if go off its only when offseason and dont care much to gain conditioned size,,since no trenbolona = no real lean gowth of tissue which is neseassary when you walk around and 'diet',,for not to forget stress of life,,work ,,bills,,females,, life in general ,,kids,, parents,, guest show ,,activities of daily life,,all take toll so your little chiken and potato wont put the nesasery mesurements on your physoqe inorder to step on stage,,big diff between dialing in and get ripped while losing size and what you and all other bodybuild do which is dialing in while not losing any musculatory size what so ever and infact gaining size while dieting! that can only come from the following combo ..gh testosterona trenbolona ,,this is THE ONLY COMBO that will do it
7 im not your son
8 my training was natural and TEULY NATURAL at begginign of my career and nto for 3 months but for few years,,
9 im not your son
10 im still not your son
gh15 approved
I said I was on 1/2cc NOW not then.
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1. mustaf is not my buddy
2. im nto your son
3. you were nto off for 3 years maybe in your dreams lol but you were soft and chubb chubb due to not caring about bodybuilding,,doesnt mean you were off ,,it mean you were downing doses and realy didnt care about the stuff who actualy PUT ONES TO SHAPE,, big diff josephino
Clean as a fucking whistle, I'd my life on it.
4. im not your son
5. your half cc of testosterona a week is a lie because no one prep for shows or dialing in on half cc of testosterona it involve MUCH MUCH MORE THAN THAT from gh to trenbolona and inbetween
I never said for the show, I said NOW!
6. true bodybuild never go off trenbolona or if go off its only when offseason and dont care much to gain conditioned size,,since no trenbolona = no real lean gowth of tissue which is neseassary when you walk around and 'diet',,for not to forget stress of life,,work ,,bills,,females,, life in general ,,kids,, parents,, guest show ,,activities of daily life,,all take toll so your little chiken and potato wont put the nesasery mesurements on your physoqe inorder to step on stage,,big diff between dialing in and get ripped while losing size and what you and all other bodybuild do which is dialing in while not losing any musculatory size what so ever and infact gaining size while dieting! that can only come from the following combo ..gh testosterona trenbolona ,,this is THE ONLY COMBO that will do it
Then I guess I'm not a true bodybuilder, I guess I'm not stupid enough to put myself through that. Besides, don't call me a bodybuilder.
7 im not your son
8 my training was natural and TEULY NATURAL at begginign of my career and nto for 3 months but for few years,,
Everyone starts out as a true natural, whats your point, I stated training when I was 12 and started on 5mg of d-bol a day when I was 16.
9 im not your son
10 im still not your son
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great back double biceps for sure, and definitely worthy of being the 2nd best ever, but still can't beat the GOAT ;)
8 Sandows to 6, seems like he did beat him...
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8 Sandows to 6, seems like he did beat him...
I was referring to Ronnie as the GOAT
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I didn't know Coach was so short.
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Discuss.
Considering that this is a rear dopuble biceps shot, it would be nice if he actually had some biceps.
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nothing to discuss really.
Ronnie owns him in all but the calves.
his back is much thicker, has much better arms, hams/glutes etc.
calves alone don't make a better double bi when everything else is not up to par.
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8) 8) 8)
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it will be possible to recall Hulkster from beyond death's door by claiming that dorian yates was better than ronnie.
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I was referring to Ronnie as the GOAT
Well, Ronnie did OWN himself...
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Here is something to consider whether Yates or Coleman had the best
back double bicep shot.
In 1997 Dorian was least affected from his injuries in the back shots.
His back double bi and back lat spread looked close to his normal self.
Ronnie was off that year (smoother than 1996) and not close to what he would
become in 1998 - 1999.
Peter McGough stated that at the 1997 Mr. Olympia a somewhat smooth Ronnie
had the best back double bicep pose in the whole contest against an injured
but still grainy hard (from the back) Dorian.
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Here is something to consider whether Yates or Coleman had the best
back double bicep shot.
In 1997 Dorian was least affected from his injuries in the back shots.
His back double bi and back lat spread looked close to his normal self.
Ronnie was off that year (smoother than 1996) and not close to what he would
become in 1998 - 1999.
Peter McGough stated that at the 1997 Mr. Olympia a somewhat smooth Ronnie
had the best back double bicep pose in the whole contest against an injured
but still grainy hard (from the back) Dorian.
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3288/2961175776_b341ca0fc5.jpg)
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Un Beefy Tostada por favor...
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Ronnie kills the back double bi. Dorian can be put on the wall of fame but IMO he's not top 3
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God says, "weight means nothing" FACT ;D P.S. ZANE @ 187>everyone else FACT
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God says, "weight means nothing" FACT ;D P.S. ZANE @ 187>everyone else FACT
Your "god" hasn't been on since my last post.
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That Yates back double bicep is amazing. Here are a few from Ronnie.
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Dorians peaks weren't big enough and every past mr O's biceps blow his away. This was not his fault, he didnt have the genetics to develop bulging round veiny ideal biceps. Huge arms though, but mostly because of his stocky short limb build. Humongous back, dense thickness all over.
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i dont understand whast so hard to see,,
yates = better hardness ,,drier,,from the back...why? less insulina less gh as simple as that
ron = better everythign else,,better freakiness,,better muscle shape,,better overall back ofcourse,,better detail ,,better arms by a mile,,better genetic respond and better genetic to begin with,,
yates win the back double bi in pictures simply because he was HARDER AND DRIER BECAUSE OF LESS HGH AND LESS INSULINA,,HE USED A LOT OF THEM BUT NOT AT THE LEVEL OF RON
very simple concept
if you take ron insulina and gh down to yates levels you will see that ron loses some size....and ron become just as hard and grainy...but! he would lose some muscle size
in reailty ron would wipe the floor in his best with yates in any pose
in pictures ,,CONDITION TALKS,,the drier you are,,the crispier you are ,,the harder you are IN PICTURES ,, will give the illlusion you are better more polished bodybuild especialy if the 2 arre close in over all size....pictures are deciving ,,in reality on stage ron would wipe dorian into second place in every mr o competition almost aside form the end of his career
never the less both top 5 bodybuilders of all time,,dorian took white ella with very avergage genetic and brought him to the top ,,unlike jason which is a joke dorian actually brought average genetic into superiority
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i dont understand whast so hard to see,,
yates = better hardness ,,drier,,from the back...why? less insulina less gh as simple as that
ron = better everythign else,,better freakiness,,better muscle shape,,better overall back ofcourse,,better detail ,,better arms by a mile,,better genetic respond and better genetic to begin with,,
yates win the back double bi in pictures simply because he was HARDER AND DRIER BECAUSE OF LESS HGH AND LESS INSULINA,,HE USED A LOT OF THEM BUT NOT AT THE LEVEL OF RON
very simple concept
if you take ron insulina and gh down to yates levels you will see that ron loses some size....and ron become just as hard and grainy...but! he would lose some muscle size
in reailty ron would wipe the floor in his best with yates in any pose
in pictures ,,CONDITION TALKS,,the drier you are,,the crispier you are ,,the harder you are IN PICTURES ,, will give the illlusion you are better more polished bodybuild especialy if the 2 arre close in over all size....pictures are deciving ,,in reality on stage ron would wipe dorian into second place in every mr o competition almost aside form the end of his career
never the less both top 5 bodybuilders of all time,,dorian took white ella with very avergage genetic and brought him to the top ,,unlike jason which is a joke dorian actually brought average genetic into superiority
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thats the best way to put it lol
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We can all agree that Jason is a joke.
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We can all agree that Jason is a joke.
gh is right, hes like a less capable Yates.
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Discuss.
It is funny how his calves are bigger than his legs, aside from no hams details. Moreover, his biceps, triceps & shoulders look like one pace; no details what so ever :D
Look at this :o
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nothing to discuss really.
Ronnie owns him in all but the calves.
his back is much thicker, has much better arms, hams/glutes etc.
calves alone don't make a better double bi when everything else is not up to par.
Hahahahaha great logic 247lbs owns 270lbs , we can always count on your for retard logic
Ronnie would look petite next to Dorian ;) no wonder Ronnie bows down to Yates every chance he can get.
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gh is right, hes like a less capable Yates.
Referencing or Mentioning Jay Cutler in the same sentence as Yates is blasphemous.
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I was referring to Ronnie as the GOAT
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It is funny how his calves are bigger than his legs, aside from no hams details. Moreover, his biceps, triceps & shoulders look like one pace; no details what so ever :D
Look at this :o
Water, water everywhere. Where is the bicep and back thickness?
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Water, water everywhere. Where is the bicep and back thickness?
You didn't like that one..?
Okay no problem, take that one now ... ;)
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hi bro. alnassak,.. sure levrone can't help you in this thread ;D
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:D
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Lights out, game over, Thread closed.
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hi bro. alnassak,.. sure levrone can't help you in this thread ;D
loooool ;D
Neither Nassir can :P
At least he had better back than Nassir :P
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Kai has looked better
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Kai has looked better
I agree.
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i dont understand whast so hard to see,,
yates = better hardness ,,drier,,from the back...why? less insulina less gh as simple as that
ron = better everythign else,,better freakiness,,better muscle shape,,better overall back ofcourse,,better detail ,,better arms by a mile,,better genetic respond and better genetic to begin with,,
yates win the back double bi in pictures simply because he was HARDER AND DRIER BECAUSE OF LESS HGH AND LESS INSULINA,,HE USED A LOT OF THEM BUT NOT AT THE LEVEL OF RON
very simple concept
if you take ron insulina and gh down to yates levels you will see that ron loses some size....and ron become just as hard and grainy...but! he would lose some muscle size
in reailty ron would wipe the floor in his best with yates in any pose
in pictures ,,CONDITION TALKS,,the drier you are,,the crispier you are ,,the harder you are IN PICTURES ,, will give the illlusion you are better more polished bodybuild especialy if the 2 arre close in over all size....pictures are deciving ,,in reality on stage ron would wipe dorian into second place in every mr o competition almost aside form the end of his career
never the less both top 5 bodybuilders of all time,,dorian took white ella with very avergage genetic and brought him to the top ,,unlike jason which is a joke dorian actually brought average genetic into superiority
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Why was Dorian able to take his "average genetics into superiority" but not Jason? Was it his training style? His discipline and intensity? Or different drug protocol? I find Jason, although very consistent and also discipline -- almost like a machine, not to really show any ball busting intensity. Just goes through the motions in a very methodical manner like a robot but none of the passion, none of the "blood and guts" that Dorian showed. Does that matter or count for anything or at that level it's just how you use hormones and peptides?
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Lights out, game over, Thread closed.
I dare to say that Phils back double biceps is the BEST EVER. Complete from forearms to calves. conditioned hams glutes lower back. He has it all.
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i dont understand whast so hard to see,,
yates = better hardness ,,drier,,from the back...why? less insulina less gh as simple as that
ron = better everythign else,,better freakiness,,better muscle shape,,better overall back ofcourse,,better detail ,,better arms by a mile,,better genetic respond and better genetic to begin with,,
yates win the back double bi in pictures simply because he was HARDER AND DRIER BECAUSE OF LESS HGH AND LESS INSULINA,,HE USED A LOT OF THEM BUT NOT AT THE LEVEL OF RON
very simple concept
if you take ron insulina and gh down to yates levels you will see that ron loses some size....and ron become just as hard and grainy...but! he would lose some muscle size
in reailty ron would wipe the floor in his best with yates in any pose
in pictures ,,CONDITION TALKS,,the drier you are,,the crispier you are ,,the harder you are IN PICTURES ,, will give the illlusion you are better more polished bodybuild especialy if the 2 arre close in over all size....pictures are deciving ,,in reality on stage ron would wipe dorian into second place in every mr o competition almost aside form the end of his career
never the less both top 5 bodybuilders of all time,,dorian took white ella with very avergage genetic and brought him to the top ,,unlike jason which is a joke dorian actually brought average genetic into superiority
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welp, there you go ND
Dorian wins in pictures, the debate is settled.
wait I thought pictures never counted and were not to scale and don't represent reality. o well you win.
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loooool ;D
Neither Nassir can :P
At least he had better back than Nassir :P
i knew you would say this :D but!!!.. :o
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arms and shoulders play an important role in this pose!!.. still i have dorian's RDB and RLS (at his best) the best ever!!..
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One of the best and complete...
Samir 1983;
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I dare to say that Phils back double biceps is the BEST EVER. Complete from forearms to calves. conditioned hams glutes lower back. He has it all.
Yet he loses to a man whose back doesn't come close to touching that...oh, what is it? It's because the other guy is wide...seems like with the judges as with the female population, it's width that counts...
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Lights out, game over, Thread closed.
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haha ronnie owned
8-6...dorian owned
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Owned
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=127955.0;attach=143128;image)
Quality physique (Shawn) vs Bigger but poor quality physique (Dorian).
Judging criteria = messed up.
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Yet he loses to a man whose back doesn't come close to touching that...oh, what is it? It's because the other guy is wide...seems like with the judges as with the female population, it's width that counts...
Yes...Phil has the best back bouble bicep pose in pics. In reality he loses to wider guys.
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gotta say its between yates and flex,ronnie is close though,if you look at prejudging pics from 93 olympia,yates slightly edges out flex.
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Flex as far as separation goes
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Something's definitively wrong with that dude's back...
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Check mate kids
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ah people confusing quality over quantity once again.
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One of the best and complete...
Samir 1983;
He's 188lbs in that pic and his hams are missing Dorian outweighs him by 80lbs
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8-6...dorian owned
How many of those came against Dorian? NONE ;) Ronnie owned
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Didn't find a rear double, but doesn't this one destroy both Ronnie and Dorian ?
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Didn't find a rear double, but doesn't this one destroy both Ronnie and Dorian ?
Think again
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(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e196/Intenseone/rediculous.jpg)
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(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e196/Intenseone/rediculous.jpg)
Great back but way to small
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Check mate kids
He's 188lbs in that pic and his hams are missing Dorian outweighs him by 80lbs
Dorians hams look great in this one too...
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Great back but way to small
Hahaha.
This is the problem with bodybuilding, you guys lose track between quantity and quality.
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Hahaha.
This is the problem with bodybuilding, you guys lose track between quantity and quality.
Dorian's got just as much quality but 80lbs heavier
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Dorian's got just as much quality but 80lbs heavier
you dont say heavier,,heavier = fat ,,you say BIGGER LARGER THICKER
everytime fellas say hevaier it = fat ,,heavy ,,heavy is not good,, large thick and lean is
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you dont say heavier,,heavier = fat ,,you say BIGGER LARGER THICKER
everytime fellas say hevaier it = fat ,,heavy ,,heavy is not good,, large thick and lean is
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You don't say Dorian = very average genetics , you = retard
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You don't say Dorian = very average genetics , you = retard
Are you Dorian's brother or something? You don't cope with criticism very well
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You don't say Dorian = very average genetics , you = retard
dorian had very average genetics,,take a picture of him today and you shall see,,very very average,,he brought it up with hormones and made it superior with work and hormones and very good response to the hormones,,but genetic wize dorian was average exactly like jason cutler is average,, just nothing pop naturaly ,,coule get lean but realy nothing to write home about just another local with average genetics
take alook at ron in highschool and dorian in highschool ,,its is night and day when it come to genetic structure,,butu as we know bodybuild is ALL in the response to hormones and other drugs and how much you can tolerate them and the constant usage of diuretic inorder to make yourself from a muscle bloof into a muscle stud aka shrinked wraped skin over the muscle that create the sucktion femonemon also known as CONDITIONED ... grainy is the next level and involoved mastering diuretic and risking lots of your health ,,the winner is the one who cal pull it all and stay alive my friend
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Flex as far as separation goes
This is the best I've seen in this thread so far. I think Flex had the best RDB pose of them all and there is even a better pic than this one, I think its also from 93, but from a studio photoshoot.
Lee Haney's was also one of the best, 2nd to Flex only in my opinion.
This is just my opinion and preference though, I don't care that Dorian wins according to the judging "criteria" because he was bigger and in better condition.
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Momo Benaziza.
(http://www.bodybuilding-pics.com/144/images/Mohammed_Benaziza_71.jpg)
(http://www.bodybuilding-pics.com/144/images/Mohammed_Benaziza_5.jpg)
(http://www.bodybuilding-pics.com/144/images/Mohammed_Benaziza_38.jpg)
:o :o :o :o
(http://www.bodybuilding-pics.com/144/images/Mohammed_Benaziza_30.jpg)
:o :o :o :o
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I knew it wouldn't take too long for Hulkster & Neo to get involved in this discussion. The pair of them love to mass debate evey day on here.
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shawnie ma man!!! owning the whole gang there :o ;D 8)
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How can Ray the midget be the same height as Yates and how can Levrone be the tallest of all 3?
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shawnie ma man!!! once again owning the whole gang :o ;D 8)
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Shawn owning Dorian in that 1st pic. :o
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Flex as far as separation goes
Im glad somebody saved that pic that I scanned and posted a few yrs ago (even ND did you save it as well?).
That pic is a rare one from the 1993 Arnold, there are virtuLly no pics showing that full back shot on stage, I cut that out of a Jeff Everson produced magazine.
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and once more!!! arnie i love you (no homo... ::))
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dorian had very average genetics,,take a picture of him today and you shall see,,very very average,,he brought it up with hormones and made it superior with work and hormones and very good response to the hormones,,but genetic wize dorian was average exactly like jason cutler is average,, just nothing pop naturaly ,,coule get lean but realy nothing to write home about just another local with average genetics
take alook at ron in highschool and dorian in highschool ,,its is night and day when it come to genetic structure,,butu as we know bodybuild is ALL in the response to hormones and other drugs and how much you can tolerate them and the constant usage of diuretic inorder to make yourself from a muscle bloof into a muscle stud aka shrinked wraped skin over the muscle that create the sucktion femonemon also known as CONDITIONED ... grainy is the next level and involoved mastering diuretic and risking lots of your health ,,the winner is the one who cal pull it all and stay alive my friend
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Yes so average in fact we've seen dozens of guys with very average genetics dominate the sport like he did ::) you're so full of shit you don't even believe the garbage you type.
' Very Average Genetics ' ::)
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Yes so average in fact we've seen dozens of guys with very average genetics dominate the sport like he did ::) you're so full of shit you don't even believe the garbage you type.
' Very Average Genetics ' ::)
i wish you understood bodybuild insted of collecting it like stamps lol,,look at your own pictures you put here,,this is average genetic for bodybuilder,,yes he is thick,,yes he is dense,,yes he is developed but the GENETIC IS AVERAGE AT BEST,,he got very average arms infact quite small in comparison to what they would be if they were strogn point,,the muscle shape is severly lackin in the arms,,its just meat and lean beed which ofcourse is good but still average in genetic department,,you confuse condition and density + muscul developement ...with genetics..
dorian had PHENOMINAL RESPOND TO DRUGS ,,his geneticsssssss was average at best,,but! unlike jason who is the walking joke of the bodybuild mr o history as mr o ....dorian was smart enough and wize enough to rely les on insulina and more on gh and aas,,
the end
if you want to see very good genetics you should look at phellas such as stan mcowy ,,sagi kalev ,,thats! is suprior genetics ,,yes it woudl be smal with out the hormones but the SHAPE SHALL REMAIN ,,and the muscle shape shall remain even when small
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i wish you understood bodybuild insted of collecting it like stamps lol,,look at your own pictures you put here,,this is average genetic for bodybuilder,,yes he is thick,,yes he is dense,,yes he is developed but the GENETIC IS AVERAGE AT BEST,,he got very average arms infact quite small in comparison to what they would be if they were strogn point,,the muscle shape is severly lackin in the arms,,its just meat and lean beed which ofcourse is good but still average in genetic department,,you confuse condition and density + muscul developement ...with genetics..
dorian had PHENOMINAL RESPOND TO DRUGS ,,his geneticsssssss was average at best,,but! unlike jason who is the walking joke of the bodybuild mr o history as mr o ....dorian was smart enough and wize enough to rely les on insulina and more on gh and aas,,
the end
if you want to see very good genetics you should look at phellas such as stan mcowy ,,sagi kalev ,,thats! is suprior genetics ,,yes it woudl be smal with out the hormones but the SHAPE SHALL REMAIN ,,and the muscle shape shall remain even when small
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You can keep typing he was average as many times as you like it wont take away from the absurdity of the statement , NO ONE of ' very average genetics ' dominates bodybuilding the way he did for years on end , changing the entire sport
His size wasn't average , his conditioning wasn't average , his response to drugs wasn't average , his balance & proportion weren't average , his density wasn't average , his strength wasn't average , nothing about Dorian Yates was average go learn what genetics are dumb ass
muscle shape severely lacking in the arms OH BOY ::) keep digging yourself a deeper hole no one can touch this pose
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You can keep typing he was average as many times as you like it wont take away from the absurdity of the statement , NO ONE of ' very average genetics ' dominates bodybuilding the way he did for years on end , changing the entire sport
His size wasn't average , his conditioning wasn't average , his response to drugs wasn't average , his balance & proportion weren't average , his density wasn't average , his strength wasn't average , nothing about Dorian Yates was average go learn what genetics are dumb ass
muscle shape severely lacking in the arms OH BOY ::) keep digging yourself a deeper hole no one can touch this pose
r e t a r d ,,
tricep make most of arm ,,he has no over all arms that match his torse,,same problem many other MR O suffer from ,,doesnt take from anything else,,his bicep was not good enough but it didnt change a thing becaue bCK THEN IT WASS ONLY MAJOR AAS LIKE TRENBOLONA MAJOR HGH AND SOME INSULINA ,, AND NOT MAJOR INSULINA MAJOR AAS AND MAJOR HGH,,THIS IS THE ONLY DIFF,,THIS IS WHY HE GOT GRANITE INADDITION TO HIM MASTERING DIURETIC AND WILLING TO PLAY WITH HIS HEALTH HE TOOK GAMBLE WITH STRETCHING DIURETIC TO THE LIMIT AND FOUND HIMSELF WINNER IN THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT ,,OFCOURSE YOU DONT KNOW HOW MUCH OF A WINNER HE REALLY IS BECAUSE TIME WILL TELL SINCE FELLA IS STILL YOUNG WHEN IT COME TO LIFE....
very important for you to understand that genetic doesnt mean respond to drugs ,,it means WHAT YOU WEE GIVEN TO START WITH ,,WHAT YOUR PAPA AND MAMA GAVE YOU ,,AND IN THIS DEPARTMENT HE WAS AVERAGE INFACT LESS THAN AVERAGE,,
you confusing 2 diff things,,on one hand you try to make dorian be the multiple champ which he is no doubt about it ,,but ! in his case it had nothing to do with original genetics,,it had to do with his ability to hold lots of medicine in his body with out getting sick ,,and to respond to it phenominally ,,and finally the granite condition came BECAUSE OF DIURETICS AND DIET COMBO,,but rest assure the diuretic were big factor ,,he took it to the limit like andreas but in dorian case he didnt die....
yet.
bodybuildr at that level has lots of health problems you will never even be aware of ,,when you start playing the granite game at the sizes talked about while trying to build muscle and keep it all while losing not onnly bodyfat,,but all the water and also having not much fat from within the muscle the way it was in the extreme 90s with some....you are risking alot mainly kidny and liver and the problems you dont hear about and the ones you hear are already too hard to hide,,make what you make out of it but you are goolible if you think he had more than avaerage genetic to begin with when he touched weight,,he was the absolit description of the term A V E R G E ,,he took it to new level of exelence which jason failed at doing,,
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r e t a r d ,,
tricep make most of arm ,,he has no over all arms that match his torse,,same problem many other MR O suffer from ,,doesnt take from anything else,,his bicep was not good enough but it didnt change a thing becaue bCK THEN IT WASS ONLY MAJOR AAS LIKE TRENBOLONA MAJOR HGH AND SOME INSULINA ,, AND NOT MAJOR INSULINA MAJOR AAS AND MAJOR HGH,,THIS IS THE ONLY DIFF,,THIS IS WHY HE GOT GRANITE INADDITION TO HIM MASTERING DIURETIC AND WILLING TO PLAY WITH HIS HEALTH HE TOOK GAMBLE WITH STRETCHING DIURETIC TO THE LIMIT AND FOUND HIMSELF WINNER IN THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT ,,OFCOURSE YOU DONT KNOW HOW MUCH OF A WINNER HE REALLY IS BECAUSE TIME WILL TELL SINCE FELLA IS STILL YOUNG WHEN IT COME TO LIFE....
very important for you to understand that genetic doesnt mean respond to drugs ,,it means WHAT YOU WEE GIVEN TO START WITH ,,WHAT YOUR PAPA AND MAMA GAVE YOU ,,AND IN THIS DEPARTMENT HE WAS AVERAGE INFACT LESS THAN AVERAGE,,
you confusing 2 diff things,,on one hand you try to make dorian be the multiple champ which he is no doubt about it ,,but ! in his case it had nothing to do with original genetics,,it had to do with his ability to hold lots of medicine in his body with out getting sick ,,and to respond to it phenominally ,,and finally the granite condition came BECAUSE OF DIURETICS AND DIET COMBO,,but rest assure the diuretic were big factor ,,he took it to the limit like andreas but in dorian case he didnt die....
yet.
bodybuildr at that level has lots of health problems you will never even be aware of ,,when you start playing the granite game at the sizes talked about while trying to build muscle and keep it all while losing not onnly bodyfat,,but all the water and also having not much fat from within the muscle the way it was in the extreme 90s with some....you are risking alot mainly kidny and liver and the problems you dont hear about and the ones you hear are already too hard to hide,,make what you make out of it but you are goolible if you think he had more than avaerage genetic to begin with when he touched weight,,he was the absolit description of the term A V E R G E ,,he took it to new level of exelence which jason failed at doing,,
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meltdown
You , yourself claimed he was one of the top 5 bodybuilders of ALL TIME yet he has very average genetics , like I said your so full of shit you don't even buy the nonsense you're spewing
his genetics are among the best the sports ever seen.
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You , yourself claimed he was one of the top 5 bodybuilders of ALL TIME yet he has very average genetics , like I said your so full of shit you don't even buy the nonsense you're spewing
his genetics are among the best the sports ever seen.
yes he is among the best 5 bodybuilder of all time,,among the 4 best to be exact,,but what the connection ,,he is actualy a prooof that drugs AND WORKKKK can pay off!!! if you got the genetic response and know your pharmacuticals wether ug or hg ,,you need to know what your body likes and how to eliminate water the best way possible ,,he knew it thus created granit ,,thus winner of multiple o ,,thus one of best bodybuild ever,, i never argued it i just said he had average genetics ,,take arnold take ron...much better genetic to begin with,,,take sergio oliva wipe the lfoor witrh dorian in genetic to begin with many do ,,
but as i said many times what counts in bodybuild is ONLY how you respond to the hormones AND when you respond well ....how much you are willing to work at it to get to the top!
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yes he is among the best 5 bodybuilder of all time,,among the 4 best to be exact,,but what the connection ,,he is actualy a prooof that drugs AND WORKKKK can pay off!!! if you got the genetic response and know your pharmacuticals wether ug or hg ,,you need to know what your body likes and how to eliminate water the best way possible ,,he knew it thus created granit ,,thus winner of multiple o ,,thus one of best bodybuild ever,, i never argued it i just said he had average genetics ,,take arnold take ron...much better genetic to begin with,,,take sergio oliva wipe the lfoor witrh dorian in genetic to begin with many do ,,
but as i said many times what counts in bodybuild is ONLY how you respond to the hormones AND when you respond well ....how much you are willing to work at it to get to the top!
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BULLSHIT plain & simple under NO circumstances can a guy with ' very average genetics ' be one of the top 5 greatest bodybuilders of all-time , it's a contradiction
one does not get to dominate the sport with ' very average genetics ' impossible you're perpetuating this myth somehow Dorian out-willed his less than perfect genetics and it's just that bullshit , Dorian's genetics are world class and it shows in his physique
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BULLSHIT plain & simple under NO circumstances can a guy with ' very average genetics ' be one of the top 5 greatest bodybuilders of all-time , it's a contradiction
one does not get to dominate the sport with ' very average genetics ' impossible you're perpetuating this myth somehow Dorian out-willed his less than perfect genetics and it's just that bullshit , Dorian's genetics are world class and it shows in his physique
ND why do you always post on the same topic (exceptions are rare) and in essence what you have to say is always the same thing, i.e,
There was once this guy (him being white appears to be relevant) who once had a photoshoot wearing gym socks where he looked great standing by himself (a typical enough occurrence).
Said guy went on to:
-win several Mr Olympias, at least one of which widely regarded by non-invested parties as a gift,
-usher the mass monster era in bbing which is killing it
This being said: why ND?, why?
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BULLSHIT plain & simple under NO circumstances can a guy with ' very average genetics ' be one of the top 5 greatest bodybuilders of all-time , it's a contradiction
one does not get to dominate the sport with ' very average genetics ' impossible you're perpetuating this myth somehow Dorian out-willed his less than perfect genetics and it's just that bullshit , Dorian's genetics are world class and it shows in his physique
dorian and haney are the 2 exeptions ,,,arnold had great genetic make up,,sergio too,,ron ofcourse...
haney was even better than dorian ...its just that dorian pulled out few 100s little boxs of 191 gh...and invented the insulina gh protocols that in his case was not a problem because he didnt abuse insulina at his prime only later to be stolen by mishko and being reinvented into abuse and the creation of what now known as generation wanna be bodybuildr that has size everywhere beside conditioned size when they get on stage lol
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ND why do you always post on the same topic (exceptions are rare) and in essence what you have to say is always the same thing, i.e,
There was once this guy (him being white appears to be relevant) who once had a photoshoot wearing gym socks where he looked great standing by himself (a typical enough occurrence).
Said guy went on to:
-win several Mr Olympias, at least one of which widely regarded by non-invested parties as a gift,
-usher the mass monster era in bbing which is killing it
This being said: why ND?, why?
You go look at my post history and see how long it's been since I've touched this topic seeing it's rare I speak about anything but this according to you ::)
People voice opinions I'm doing the same and yet I'm some how more emotionally involved than they are ::) ::) ( that deserves a double rolly eyes )
And to answer your question ' why? ' because stupidity needs to be corrected and that's what I do.
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Go look at early photos of Yates and you can see he was a skinny little runt, average at best in the genetics department. His response to hormones was well above average which is the only reason he was what he was. Sorry ND, you're completely wrong on this subject.
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Sharktopus.
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dorian and haney are the 2 exeptions ,,,arnold had great genetic make up,,sergio too,,ron ofcourse...
haney was even better than dorian ...its just that dorian pulled out few 100s little boxs of 191 gh...and invented the insulina gh protocols that in his case was not a problem because he didnt abuse insulina at his prime only later to be stolen by mishko and being reinvented into abuse and the creation of what now known as generation wanna be bodybuildr that has size everywhere beside conditioned size when they get on stage lol
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Fascinating, gh15.
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It is fact that for the greater part the genetic makeup of today's champions comes primarily from a pharmacy. Dorian, Haney, Coleslaw, Gutler, Levrone, Ray, et al were nothing but or only slightly above average sans any performance enhancing drug use. People here talk about "great receptors" as they relate to massive amounts of drugs as though they are the Holy Grail of bodybuilding.
I would wager that given the hideous quantities of drugs these ass clowns now take, that on such drugs even one such as I, being a very small man, would become far, far above "average". For proof look no further than the likes of such "shorter" ;) greats as Franco Columbu, Mohammed Makkawy, Danny Padilla, Larry Scott, Lee Priest and a host of names familiar to all but far too great in number than I wish to spend typing.
Look at them before any "performance enhancing" drugs and at the height of their hypocrisy. And since many here will refute my words I ask that you question gh15 the truth of my supposition. Is it true or not that drugs and the quantity thereof make the "man" and not authentic genetic superiority? If he is honest, he shall answer "Yes!"
The difference goes beyond the ubiquitous night and day but that will have to suffice for most here would put on blinders so as to forever remain in the darkness of that night.
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It is fact that for the greater part the genetic makeup of today's champions comes primarily from a pharmacy. Dorian, Haney, Coleslaw, Gutler, Levrone, Ray, et al were nothing or only slightly above average sans any performance enhancing drug use. People here talk about "great receptors" as they relate to massive amounts of drugs as though they are the Holy Grail of bodybuilding.
I would wager that given the hideous quantities of drugs these ass clowns now take, that on such drugs even one such as I, being a very small man, would become far, far above "average". For proof look no further than the likes of such "shorter" ;) greats as Franco Columbu, Mohammed Makkawy, Danny Padilla, Larry Scott, Lee Priest and a host of names familiar to all but far too great in number than I wish to spend typing.
Look at them before any "performance enhancing" drugs and at the height of their hypocrisy. And since many here will refute my words I ask that you question gh15 the truth of my supposition. Is it true or not that drugs and the quantity thereof make the "man" and not authentic genetic superiority? If he is honest, he shall answer "Yes!"
The difference goes beyond the ubiquitous night and day but that will have to suffice for most here would put on blinders so as to forever remain in the darkness of that night.
You forgot to say, "Fuck that noise!"
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shawn is thin compared to Yates. actually there is no comparison. Yates kills him
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You forgot to say, "Fuck that noise!"
I had hoped someone like yourself, someone that commands the respect of the forums would do so, for me. Thank you sir!
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It is fact that for the greater part the genetic makeup of today's champions comes primarily from a pharmacy. Dorian, Haney, Coleslaw, Gutler, Levrone, Ray, et al were nothing but or only slightly above average sans any performance enhancing drug use. People here talk about "great receptors" as they relate to massive amounts of drugs as though they are the Holy Grail of bodybuilding.
I would wager that given the hideous quantities of drugs these ass clowns now take, that on such drugs even one such as I, being a very small man, would become far, far above "average". For proof look no further than the likes of such "shorter" ;) greats as Franco Columbu, Mohammed Makkawy, Danny Padilla, Larry Scott, Lee Priest and a host of names familiar to all but far too great in number than I wish to spend typing.
Look at them before any "performance enhancing" drugs and at the height of their hypocrisy. And since many here will refute my words I ask that you question gh15 the truth of my supposition. Is it true or not that drugs and the quantity thereof make the "man" and not authentic genetic superiority? If he is honest, he shall answer "Yes!"
The difference goes beyond the ubiquitous night and day but that will have to suffice for most here would put on blinders so as to forever remain in the darkness of that night.
If this was true then how do you explain all the people who pump themselves full of the same drugs and look nothing close to what the people you listed have built physique wise?
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I had hoped someone like yourself, someone that commands the respect of the forums would do so, for me. Thank you sir!
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If this was true then how do you explain all the people who pump themselves full of the same drugs and look nothing close to what the people you listed have built physique wise?
It is true. Are they or are they not, larger, stronger and "better" built while on their drugs than before ever having taken them? When off their drugs, even to the degree of lesser dosages, are they not smaller, weaker and not nearly as well built? What next, sir? Would you have me take a shitload (or would that be a "Dorianload" or a "Colemanload" ;D) of drugs to make my point?
Fuck that noise. ;D
If any here, including yourself take or have taken these kinds of drugs, when were you at your "best" in terms of size, strength and "excellence" of build? When you are on or off drugs? Before ever having taken them, or at the height of a long and winding "cycle"?
To answer truthfully is to remove those blinders. Or one could simply do as others have so obviously done and replace them with rose colored glasses. ;)
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You have no idea, sir, the honor you have done me. Thank you.
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ND what gh is getting at is that Dorian had a shitty structure. He was built like Branch, but had a better back and crappy legs. He had a bigger waist, tiny biceps and weird legs.
This is of course compared to someone like brian buchanan, ronnie, flex etc. Those guys could have never done drugs and would have looked good, they had the structure. The same could not be said for dorian
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It is true. Are they or are they not, larger, stronger and "better" built while on their drugs than before ever having taken them? When off their drugs, even to the degree of lesser dosages, are they not smaller, weaker and not nearly as well built? What next, sir? Would you have me take a shitload (or would that be a "Dorianload" or a "Colemanload" ;D) of drugs to make my point?
Fuck that noise. ;D
If any here, including yourself take or have taken these kinds of drugs, when were you at your "best" in terms of size, strength and "excellence" of build? When you are on or off drugs? Before ever having taken them, or at the height of a long and winding "cycle"?
To answer truthfully is to remove those blinders. Or one could simply do as others have so obviously done and replace them with rose colored glasses. ;)
So youre saying that.....steroids work? Wow, my world just got rocked.
But you said you'd wager that on steroids you would become far above average, and that may not be so true, because it is genetically determined. Have you seen what goodrum looked like on steroids? Pure shit. How is this possible? Genetics>drugs.
It is in fact you who has the blinders on, believing that anyone can take enough juice and become huge. Dead wrong.
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Discuss.
Those B&W shots are the best Dorian's ever looked...
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Go look at early photos of Yates and you can see he was a skinny little runt, average at best in the genetics department. His response to hormones was well above average which is the only reason he was what he was. Sorry ND, you're completely wrong on this subject.
hahahahahaha skinny little runt ;D funny stuff Dorian was almost a pure mesomorph to start with he excelled early for a reason and he built ( at his best ) one of the biggest , hardest , driest and most balanced and complete physique's the sports ever seen , he changed the sport and dominated like no one before or after him , the guy never placed lower than second in ANY pro show , to suggest he had average genetics ignorant and flat out wrong
Just because he didn't have tiny joints and a small waist & hips ( small frame like Flex ) doesn't mean he wasn't genetically blessed.
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hahahahahaha skinny little runt ;D funny stuff Dorian was almost a pure mesomorph to start with he excelled early for a reason and he built ( at his best ) one of the biggest , hardest , driest and most balanced and complete physique's the sports ever seen , he changed the sport and dominated like no one before or after him , the guy never placed lower than second in ANY pro show , to suggest he had average genetics ignorant and flat out wrong
Just because he didn't have tiny joints and a small waist & hips ( small frame like Flex ) doesn't mean he wasn't genetically blessed.
Spot on. And good job schooling gh15 on his "average genetics" BS ;D
Dorian won 6 titles, most of them while having injuries and still dominated the stage when the quality of competitors was at it's greatest. How can anyone say he was average, when there were tens of pros competing in the IFBB pro ranks and thousands of bodybuilders worldwide, trying to become pros by taking similar levels of drugs that he took and training as hard as they could?
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At least Dorian didn't have a long torso wit short legs a la snasser lol P.S. ZANE>everyone else FACT
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At least Dorian didn't have a long torso wit short legs a la snasser lol P.S. ZANE>everyone else FACT
Actually, just an opinion. A minority one at that. And that's coming from a Zane fan.
It's just one of my pet peeves when someone uses the word "fact" when it simply is not.
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=372551.0;attach=409620;image)
Flex was a tad off there...his lower back-glute-ham tie-ins are a little soft...compared to the 1992 Arnold pic...
he was 218 at the Mr. O, and 216 at the Arnold
Arnold Classic pic (and notice the calves---fake calves, what?)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=372551.0;attach=409657;image)
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Im glad somebody saved that pic that I scanned and posted a few yrs ago (even ND did you save it as well?).
That pic is a rare one from the 1993 Arnold, there are virtuLly no pics showing that full back shot on stage, I cut that out of a Jeff Everson produced magazine.
Jeff Everson, haven't read that name in years. Is he still around ?
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Ray fucked up everyone just by saying "fake calves". Wheelers calves are not fake. fake calves do not flex. look at Lou's calves at his comeback. those are fake.
having said that Yates kills anyone in the bdb.
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Flex was a tad off there...his lower back-glute-ham tie-ins are a little soft...compared to the 1992 Arnold pic...
he was 218 at the Mr. O, and 216 at the Arnold
Arnold Classic pic (and notice the calves---fake calves, what?)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=372551.0;attach=409657;image)
True Flex was better at the AC (it was 93- he didn't have his pro card yet in '92) than at the 'O. That "slightly" better changed a lot but it's still an incredible shot. One of the best physiques ever. Only a '93 Yates and a couple others could beat that.
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Ray fucked up everyone just by saying "fake calves". Wheelers calves are not fake. fake calves do not flex. look at Lou's calves at his comeback. those are fake.
having said that Yates kills anyone in the bdb.
That was his plan, he said on here he was trying to get in Flex's head, I told him he was doing a Ali...I tried to tell Disco_stu about the "flexing calves" deal, of course he won't listen.True Flex was better at the AC (it was 93- he didn't have his pro card yet in '92) than at the 'O. That "slightly" better changed a lot but it's still an incredible shot. One of the best physiques ever. Only a '93 Yates and a couple others could beat that.
Thanks for correcting me, I meant 93...
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just looking at pics and rating genetics is hard to do,for instance if you look at pics of arnold from age 13 on he was already training,i think dorian was already out of high school before he touched a weight,so a 15 yr.old arnold should look way better than a 15 yr.old yates for example,ithat being said,i also believe dorian had less of a genetic gift,he was just smarter and worked out and dieted harder and better than the rest.they all took same drugs,give or take
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hahahahahaha skinny little runt ;D funny stuff Dorian was almost a pure mesomorph to start with he excelled early for a reason and he built ( at his best ) one of the biggest , hardest , driest and most balanced and complete physique's the sports ever seen , he changed the sport and dominated like no one before or after him , the guy never placed lower than second in ANY pro show , to suggest he had average genetics ignorant and flat out wrong
Just because he didn't have tiny joints and a small waist & hips ( small frame like Flex ) doesn't mean he wasn't genetically blessed.
nothing to do with join size,,or frame persay,,his average was because nothjign popped....when he was natural his genetic wasnt attention seeking ,,you were not lookign at it whiel thinking the fellal has potential ,,he was lean respectivly to his size,,he had abs but even they were ntohing to write home about,,just a fella 6-7% that was lean and average size ready to grow ,,what got him the growth was the respond to drugs,,his genetic persay was nothing more than average ,,i would put it somewhere between jason cutler genetics and chris cormair genetics,,really not impressive natural ,,very average no eye seeking physiqe you woudlnt notice him a secodn time if yuo opened a gym door...UNTIL he went on hormone AND MORE IMPORTANTO until! he got on lots ofo gh and later on insulina in doses that suited his foundation which was there
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he did have one advantage early on ,,,he didnt hold much water GENETICALY ,,he held water well,,he held it in the right places,,he did not hold 10 lb of water on him it was more of 2-3 lb of water which made huge diff because it made him appear drier even as natural ...even as local hormonizer that was playing with dosxes to begin with for few months,,,his water ...the way he held it...was advantage ,,then again his over all genetics was average
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he did have one advantage early on ,,,he didnt hold much water GENETICALY ,,he held water well,,he held it in the right places,,he did not hold 10 lb of water on him it was more of 2-3 lb of water which made huge diff because it made him appear drier even as natural ...even as local hormonizer that was playing with dosxes to begin with for few months,,,his water ...the way he held it...was advantage ,,then again his over all genetics was average
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Sometimes (apart from the crazy spelling) I don't get your posts and even though you'll make me laugh, I'll just think you're way off. How could he have had average genetics "overall" when the guy had at least two very important things going on for him: before the tears, he had (almost) no weak parts and his '93 showing might be the most "complete" physique a mass monster has ever showed. And he's structure was very good to start with. I agree that he didn't have the whole package: his muscle bellies didn't pop out as a natural.
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Sometimes (apart from the crazy spelling) I don't get your posts and even though you'll make me laugh, I'll just think you're way off. How could he have had average genetics "overall" when the guy had at least two very important things going on for him: before the tears, he had (almost) no weak parts and his '93 showing might be the most "complete" physique a mass monster has ever showed. And he's structure was very good to start with. I agree that he didn't have the whole package: his muscle bellies didn't pop out as a natural.
good genetic aside from frame include good muscle shapes,,infact phenominal muscle shapes,,many around your local gym ,,they are black fellas who weight 171 lb or 164 lb and you walk passed them weighin 205 lb and wonder to yourslef mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm how come his arms look better than mine and get more atention ,,how come his physiqe popp more,,we are same body fat yet he is all poping freaky muscle but but but but!! im much bigger ,,,no my friendly friend...you are much THICKER ....his muscles are big enough to stand their own against yours due to his good genetics which dorian did not have ,,,he had average white fella genetic ,,take a fella like simply huge from this board and his brother....both have better genetics than dorian to begin with
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So youre saying that.....steroids work? Wow, my world just got rocked.
But you said you'd wager that on steroids you would become far above average, and that may not be so true, because it is genetically determined. Have you seen what goodrum looked like on steroids? Pure shit. How is this possible? Genetics>drugs.
It is in fact you who has the blinders on, believing that anyone can take enough juice and become huge. Dead wrong.
hahahaha ;D X2
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Dorian had great genetics period. Symmetry and shape wise his genetics sucked, but his structure was actually excellent. Go watch some early videos of him when he won his pro card in 1988, his waist was small, wide clavicles and perfect torso/limbs ratio.
And that is just structure, then we have to mention his density and unique hardness he had and most importantly his genetic response to drugs.
His arms always kind of sucked though, their genetic shape was obviousy not good...and it didn't help that he injured the shit out of them.
The problem is he ruined his body by going the never ending size route and started looking like shit, but in his very early years he looked great.
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This is Dorian in 1985 winning a novice show in Morecombe after 2 years training,i`d say his genetics were pretty good.
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nothing to do with join size,,or frame persay,,his average was because nothjign popped....when he was natural his genetic wasnt attention seeking ,,you were not lookign at it whiel thinking the fellal has potential ,,he was lean respectivly to his size,,he had abs but even they were ntohing to write home about,,just a fella 6-7% that was lean and average size ready to grow ,,what got him the growth was the respond to drugs,,his genetic persay was nothing more than average ,,i would put it somewhere between jason cutler genetics and chris cormair genetics,,really not impressive natural ,,very average no eye seeking physiqe you woudlnt notice him a secodn time if yuo opened a gym door...UNTIL he went on hormone AND MORE IMPORTANTO until! he got on lots ofo gh and later on insulina in doses that suited his foundation which was there
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Go learn what genetics are has nothing to do with joint size or frame ::) he was ' very average ' because nothing ' popped ' than your explanation on what constitutes great genetics ::) ::)
And if anyone else needs any verification on just how fucking stupid you are look no further than you now claiming Chris Cormier had average genetics LMFAO like I said either you're being 100% contrary or you really believe the shit you type either way you're a moron.
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Dorian had great genetics period. Symmetry and shape wise his genetics sucked, but his structure was actually excellent. Go watch some early videos of him when he won his pro card in 1988, his waist was small, wide clavicles and perfect torso/limbs ratio.
And that is just structure, then we have to mention his density and unique hardness he had and most importantly his genetic response to drugs.
His arms always kind of sucked though, their genetic shape was obviousy not good...and it didn't help that he injured the shit out of them.
The problem is he ruined his body by going the never ending size route and started looking like shit, but in his very early years he looked great.
Shape? his genetics sucked for shape? this guys genetics for shape suck I mean seriously you're perpetuating the myth that because Dorian didn't look like this guy his shape sucked WRONG it's apples vs oranges and just because you prefer apples doesn't mean oranges are just as good
and another overstatement on your behalf his arms always kind of sucked? at his best his biceps were good , his triceps and forearms are great and his side triceps pose ( which leads me back to shape ) is still of of the best in the business , YOU CAN NOT have a shot like this if it's lacking in shape and having arms that sucked
All the muscles are excellently shape to create the entire effect which is an outstanding side triceps shot
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This is Dorian in 1985 winning a novice show in Morecombe after 2 years training,i`d say his genetics were pretty good.
Beyond pretty good if you ask me
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Shape? his genetics sucked for shape? this guys genetics for shape suck I mean seriously you're perpetuating the myth that because Dorian didn't look like this guy his shape sucked WRONG it's apples vs oranges and just because you prefer apples doesn't mean oranges are just as good
and another overstatement on your behalf his arms always kind of sucked? at his best his biceps were good , his triceps and forearms are great and his side triceps pose ( which leads me back to shape ) is still of of the best in the business , YOU CAN NOT have a shot like this if it's lacking in shape and having arms that sucked
All the muscles are excellently shape to create the entire effect which is an outstanding side triceps shot
You're right about the shape thing, he still wasn't known for outstanding symmetry like Flex, Shawn, or Labrada though.
Now about the arms....at his best his arms were big and dry that's it. They never had that unique shape and fullness others had, like Flex and Ronnie for example.
His side tri shot was great as a whole, but still his triceps aren't so special by themselves in other poses.... they don't have that popping roundness guys like Flex had.
But overall I was actually agreeing that Dorian's genetics were outstanding.
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You're right about the shape thing, he still wasn't known for outstanding symmetry like Flex, Shawn, or Labrada though.
Now about the arms....at his best his arms were big and dry that's it. They never had that unique shape and fullness others had, like Flex and Ronnie for example.
His side tri shot was great as a whole, but still his triceps aren't so special by themselves in other poses.... they don't have that popping roundness guys like Flex had.
But overall I was actually agreeing that Dorian's genetics were outstanding.
I agree he didn't have great symmetry in the context of small hips & waist and tiny joints A'la Flex but like I said he was almost a pure mesomorph while Flex had a light frame he definitely leaned more towards ectomorph naturally and Flex himself it was always hard for him to gain size it came slowly
Again you can't have one of the best side triceps shot of all-time with arms that sucked , I agree they may not be as round as Flex or Ronnie but the point stands despite that neither of them could stand with him in this pose , so to say his shaped sucked is nonsense especially when it's base on your preference and not in reality ( see Dave Polumbo whose shape really sucks )
apples vs oranges despite not have the best symmetry ( small waist & hips ) Dorian kills Flex and Ronnie in the ab-thigh can't do that with shitty shape and mediocre genetics
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same contest , I'm afraid not :-\
Put it in black and white so it's epically grainy ;)
Oh and what contest is the Yates shot from? By your measure we should assess some other Yates pics from the contest he was posing at before allowing ourselves to appreciate that one Yates pic?
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Put it in black and white so it's epically grainy ;)
Oh and what contest is the Yates shot from? By your measure we should assess some other Yates pics from the contest he was posing at before allowing ourselves to appreciate that one Yates pic?
NO black & white pic of Ronnie is grainy , he was never grainy no matter how many pics you make B&W ;)
Dorian was grainy in COLOR ;)
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NO black & white pic of Ronnie is grainy , he was never grainy no matter how many pics you make B&W ;)
Dorian was grainy in COLOR ;)
Way to concede my second point. Your argument is in black and white and it's still inferior.
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Way to concede my second point. Your argument is in black and white and it's still inferior.
The picture is in black & white NOT my argument and again tamper with all the pics you want people who seen Yates in living color say he was grainy has nothing to do with a photograph
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NO black & white pic of Ronnie is grainy , he was never grainy no matter how many pics you make B&W
Dorian was grainy in COLOR
this has to be one of the dumbest arguments ever. What objective criteria do you use to determine what is "grainy?"
brb, arguing that Ronnie is better b/c he has more swagger
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this has to be one of the dumbest arguments ever. What objective criteria do you use to determine what is "grainy?"
brb, saying Ronnie is better b/c he has more swagger
if it's dorian it's grainy because it said so in the magazine
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Read. title. thread.
Anyway your argument is grainy, b/w, dense and from 1993. And your argument hasn't actually ever made it to a stage, thus negating itself.
However, if your one-off pic argument can be accepted, so can the one-off Ronnie '03 back double biceps pic :)
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this has to be one of the dumbest arguments ever. What objective criteria do you use to determine what is "grainy?"
brb, arguing that Ronnie is better b/c he has more swagger
Hahahahah who said Dorian was better because if that? who said that was an argument? NO ONE shouldn't you be using my arguments on another forum? ;) but please pay attention to what they are , He keeps making black & white shots of Ronnie claiming he's somehow now magically grainy , he's obsessed with it not me. I don't care about grainy because Dorian is meets the criteria better grainy is an adjective to describe his unmatched conditioning
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Read. title. thread.
Anyway your argument is grainy, b/w, dense and from 1993. And your argument hasn't actually ever made it to a stage, thus negating itself.
However, if your one-off pic argument can be accepted, so can the one-off Ronnie '03 back double biceps pic :)
My argument isn't grainy and never was , learn how to follow the bouncing ball , the argument is Dorian is better because he meets the criteria better. I don't care about grainy you do hence why you keep trying to tamper with pics to make Ronnie grainy and it's failed
I posted a lot of back double biceps shots of Dorian in this thread ( learn to follow the bouncing ball i.e pay attention ) color , black & white , I posted them all , post ANY pic you'd like it still can't touch Dorian in balance , proportion , density , dryness , size AND completeness
keep making Ronnie grainy :D ::)
he doesn't compare to this
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My argument isn't grainy and never was , learn how to follow the bouncing ball , the argument is Dorian is better because he meets the criteria better. I don't care about grainy you do hence why you keep trying to tamper with pics to make Ronnie grainy and it's failed
I posted a lot of back double biceps shots of Dorian in this thread ( learn to follow the bouncing ball i.e pay attention ) color , black & white , I posted them all , post ANY pic you'd like it still can't touch Dorian in balance , proportion , density , dryness , size AND completeness
keep making Ronnie grainy :D ::)
he doesn't compare to this
Dude follow the title of the thread, you're the one trolling and hijacking with old arguments.
I personally think the Ronnie pic would beat the Dorian pic, and you cannot guarantee a panel of modern judges would feel differently. Deal with it.
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This is Dorian in 1985 winning a novice show in Morecombe after 2 years training,i`d say his genetics were pretty good.
lol ,,this is after him training for few years on constant usage of aas and low doses gh,,this is VERY VERY AVERAGE GENETIC
hardness and desnsity only mean you hold less water!!!!!! it means you know your diuretic well,, and it meas you are smart about your hormonal usage,, it also means you hold less water on your physiqe because you havent used much testosterona longest easter like today morons,,
genetics is AVERAGE AT BEST
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My argument isn't grainy and never was , learn how to follow the bouncing ball , the argument is Dorian is better because he meets the criteria better. I don't care about grainy you do hence why you keep trying to tamper with pics to make Ronnie grainy and it's failed
I posted a lot of back double biceps shots of Dorian in this thread ( learn to follow the bouncing ball i.e pay attention ) color , black & white , I posted them all , post ANY pic you'd like it still can't touch Dorian in balance , proportion , density , dryness , size AND completeness
keep making Ronnie grainy :D ::)
he doesn't compare to this
Hulkster wont recover.
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Dude follow the title of the thread, you're the one trolling and hijacking with old arguments.
I personally think the Ronnie pic would beat the Dorian pic, and you cannot guarantee a panel of modern judges would feel differently. Deal with it.
HAhahahahahaha meltdown you're the one tampering with pictures in some lame attempt at making Ronnie ' grainy ' hahahahah
Ronnie would be left for dead by Dorian in all poses and Ronnie knows it
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Go learn what genetics are has nothing to do with joint size or frame ::) he was ' very average ' because nothing ' popped ' than your explanation on what constitutes great genetics ::) ::)
And if anyone else needs any verification on just how fucking stupid you are look no further than you now claiming Chris Cormier had average genetics LMFAO like I said either you're being 100% contrary or you really believe the shit you type either way you're a moron.
you are one of th emost sick ,,ill individuals to ever grace this board,,youre really really mentaly sick from your infatuation with bodybuilder pictures ,,from having tons of my pictures,,you are probbaly in all honesty a homo,,im not joking by the way ,,but what bother me is that like suckmuscle you are SICK in many many ways worse than worshiping me ,,
you need to go red bible another 400 times,,and then maybe maybe will learn something,,you realy really have no clue,,stop worshiping ,,dorian was a shadow ...of ron colman ,,he coudnt hold a candle to him at both best...its a fact ,,,dorian was an average genetic fella that responded tremendesly to hormones aka grew on them and hold little water to begin with but even on hormones ws willing to go to the extreme end that andreas was in inorder o get dry and crispy ,,dorian will pay the price its not his time yet but he wil pay it ,,you can ask him sometime if he will live to see 80.....see his answer
dorian was NOTHING more than average genetics with phenominal respond to hormones,,yes he was syemtric and proportion yes he had goo dframe but this is only some of genetic,,,HIS MUSCLE SHAPE SUCKED IN FEW BODY PARTS ,,HE HAD NO ARMS HE HAD NO ARMS HE HAD NO ARMS,,
MISHKO ARMS AND DORIAN ARMS VERY MUCH ONE IN THE SAME....dorian just responded to hormones better!
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lol ,,this is after him training for few years on constant usage of aas and low doses gh,,this is VERY VERY AVERAGE GENETIC
hardness and desnsity only mean you hold less water!!!!!! it means you know your diuretic well,, and it meas you are smart about your hormonal usage,, it also means you hold less water on your physiqe because you havent used much testosterona longest easter like today morons,,
genetics is AVERAGE AT BEST
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he's very average genetics because his muscles don't pop LMFAO
he's in the top 5 of all bodybuilder ever but he's very average genetics LMFAO
you fit right in with the rest of the idiots in this thread
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No, ability to retain mass whilst getting cut is definitely partly genetic. Ability to get dry is also partly genetic. Against a stage full of the top guys in the world all dehydrated to the max, on the same insane amounts of quality gear, he was noticeably the biggest and dryest. Great genetics in that respect. Also response to anabolics is a genetic predisposition.
Not the best aesthetic I could agree, but muscle tears etc can't really be blamed on genetics.
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Shape? his genetics sucked for shape? this guys genetics for shape suck I mean seriously you're perpetuating the myth that because Dorian didn't look like this guy his shape sucked WRONG it's apples vs oranges and just because you prefer apples doesn't mean oranges are just as good
and another overstatement on your behalf his arms always kind of sucked? at his best his biceps were good , his triceps and forearms are great and his side triceps pose ( which leads me back to shape ) is still of of the best in the business , YOU CAN NOT have a shot like this if it's lacking in shape and having arms that sucked
All the muscles are excellently shape to create the entire effect which is an outstanding side triceps shot
infnatile,,i can take the true adonis from this boarding,,and make him arm look 19 inch at 164 lb,,do you fuckin get it ,,i can take almost anyone here put them in mirror with good light in bathroom or stage with color and get them down in bodyfat to where they are truely 6 or 7% and make them looking perfect with perfect arm with good angle and good position for the pictures taken ,,
pictures re illusions,,dorian arms were nothing to write home about from bicep point of view,,very simiolar to mishkop very similar to jason very similar to haney,,NO FUCKIN BICEPT POP NO FUCKIN ICEP FRAKINESS ONLY MEAT AND EVEN THAT WAS NOT ENHANCED BY SEO LIKE HEATH TO LOOK BIG ENOUGH,,
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you are one of th emost sick ,,ill individuals to ever grace this board,,youre really really mentaly sick from your infatuation with bodybuilder pictures ,,from having tons of my pictures,,you are probbaly in all honesty a homo,,im not joking by the way ,,but what bother me is that like suckmuscle you are SICK in many many ways worse than worshiping me ,,
you need to go red bible another 400 times,,and then maybe maybe will learn something,,you realy really have no clue,,stop worshiping ,,dorian was a shadow ...of ron colman ,,he coudnt hold a candle to him at both best...its a fact ,,,dorian was an average genetic fella that responded tremendesly to hormones aka grew on them and hold little water to begin with but even on hormones ws willing to go to the extreme end that andreas was in inorder o get dry and crispy ,,dorian will pay the price its not his time yet but he wil pay it ,,you can ask him sometime if he will live to see 80.....see his answer
dorian was NOTHING more than average genetics with phenominal respond to hormones,,yes he was syemtric and proportion yes he had goo dframe but this is only some of genetic,,,HIS MUSCLE SHAPE SUCKED IN FEW BODY PARTS ,,HE HAD NO ARMS HE HAD NO ARMS HE HAD NO ARMS,,
MISHKO ARMS AND DORIAN ARMS VERY MUCH ONE IN THE SAME....dorian just responded to hormones better!
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No arms right ;D
same arms as Milos right ;D
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he's very average genetics because his muscles don't pop LMFAO
he's in the top 5 of all bodybuilder ever but he's very average genetics LMFAO
you fit right in with the rest of the idiots in this thread
so what ,,levrone is best 10 bodybuild ever with out wiingin o ,,sean ray top 10 bodybuild ever with out wiinin o and being a midgit...dex jackson top 6 bodybuild ever with having a ninja turtle belly and being 175-185lb bodybuild when starting pro...and not in sharp crazy condition
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No arms right ;D
you take picturds ,,,moments in time,,you try to find the bes tone,,but even this one show perfectly he got no bicep pop...its no freaky ,,its not fibery ,,its just meat that is not even hard enough inrealshion to other body part,,yes it is big....ofcourse it will be 19-20 inches otherwise he woudnt turn profesional in those days,,but this is not stage,,this is not nothing,,this is very good tricep with very average bicep if that...
his bicep didnt have the freakiness nor the fibrous nor the heads all crazy nor the high peak nor the crazy long thicknes of sergio,,not crazy ass size that make you forget about the lower quality ,,not the clear seperation like dex at his best....
he was top 5 not because of bicep ,,it was because of the BACKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK and because other body parts but NEVER THE BICEPS ask the fuckin fella
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No arms right ;D
In all seriousness... I cant see why guys like you and hulkster can't let it go. It seems impossible NOT to respond when someone critisizes your "favourite muscleman". You guys need some serious help. ;D
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In all seriousness... I cant see why guys like you and hulkster can't let it go. It seems impossible NOT to respond when someone critisizes your "favourite muscleman". You guys need some serious help. ;D
Men in thongz = serious buziness
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Men in thongz = serious buziness
As good as Dorian was (i do think he was one of the best) his arms just plain suck compared to other pros out there. Just look at guys like Phil Heath who granted dont have as impressive of an overall package but just in the arm department, TRUMP Dorian's.
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As good as Dorian was (i do think he was one of the best) his arms just plain suck compared to other pros out there. Just look at guys like Phil Heath who granted dont have as impressive of an overall package but just in the arm department, TRUMP Dorian's.
You'll get no argument from me his arms weren't the best but at their best they were certainly good enough
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dorian had outstandign back and calves but had may weak points
weak biceps
weak upper chest
flat delts
lack of quad sweep and of course the wide and blocky waist
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dorian had outstandign back and calves but had may weak points
weak biceps
weak upper chest
flat delts
lack of quad sweep and of course the wide and blocky waist
Weak upper chest? ::)
FLAT DELTS? ??? ::)
quad sweep wasn't that great , wide waist especially compared to 200 lb guys ::)
First pic is his ' flat delts '
second pic is his ' weak upper chest '
Third the same
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dorian had outstandign back and calves but had may weak points
weak biceps
weak upper chest
flat delts
lack of quad sweep and of course the wide and blocky waist
let's keep it real
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Maybe Ronnie doesn't appear grainy because he is darker? As it is hard to show "graininess" with a darker person in photos due to the texture of the skin---other things such as vascularity are just as easy to see. One can see graininess of someone of Ronnie's complexion if there are close up shots, where the light has not washed it out.
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More of the ' weak upper chest ' lmao ;D
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If asked to choose between these two I wouldn't hesitate to pick Yates. Coleslaw is nothing less than a fatass cornucopia of drugs, drugs and more drugs. Fuck that noise. Oh, I know that some here are squealing "Racism!" and if my caucasional side is to blame, nah! I doubt it. Momma didn't raise no fool and Coleslaw is a pile of shit that someone scared the flies off of.
Fuck that noise indeed. Dorian for the win. Unless of course prime Arnold is involved. Or Reeves. Or Zane, Paris and perhaps even Levrone at his best. Bodybuilding is a highly subjective pastime and we all have our favorites. Mine happen to be from many years ago. I don't begrudge another their choices but neither do I have to like them. ;D
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More of the ' weak upper chest ' lmao ;D
its weak relative to Ronnie...
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Hahahahaha great logic 247lbs owns 270lbs , we can always count on your for retard logic
Ronnie would look petite next to Dorian ;) no wonder Ronnie bows down to Yates every chance he can get.
retard logic is thinking that higher numbers on a scale translate to a higher quality physique on a bb stage.
they don't.
Ronnie is 247 dry as a bone, and yet, because of his superior taper, back thickness and physical details like hams/glutes/arms that dorian never really had, he looks a lot better. the judges would agree.
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to play ND's game, 263 pounds of dorian making 257 pound ronnie look small and owning him onstage.
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More of the ' weak upper chest ' lmao ;D
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=372551.0;attach=409872;image)
well truth be told thats the best side chest ever right there. Ronnies was massive too but because of of his short torso or he didnt know how to pose right or whatever his physique wouldnt flow at all when hitting a side chest.
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coach not bad but those calves bro :P
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coach not bad but those calves bro :P
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its ok man you look pretty good mang
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Weak upper chest? ::)
FLAT DELTS? ??? ::)
quad sweep wasn't that great , wide waist especially compared to 200 lb guys ::)
First pic is his ' flat delts '
second pic is his ' weak upper chest '
Third the same
no not compared to 200 lbs guys only ::) ;D
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as for yates chest it was very good but its size was a little small for his torso and width!!.. it takes lesser space than what it should take to match his wide torso.. still not a weak point but when compared to top guys the same size as yates his chest always came after them.. haney and nasser for example..
same can be said about his shoulders,.. they were good but a little small when compared to guys with great shoulders like levrone and nasser..
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Coleman vs Yates is now Coleman vs Yates vs Googly Eye. Oh dear.
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well truth be told thats the best side chest ever right there. Ronnies was massive too but because of of his short torso or he didnt know how to pose right or whatever his physique wouldnt flow at all when hitting a side chest.
I disagree.
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retard logic is thinking that higher numbers on a scale translate to a higher quality physique on a bb stage.
they don't.
Ronnie is 247 dry as a bone, and yet, because of his superior taper, back thickness and physical details like hams/glutes/arms that dorian never really had, he looks a lot better. the judges would agree.
Dorian is 269 bone dry beats 247lbs bone dry , couple that 269 with better balance & proportion , more complete , less flaws and he would most certainly make Ronnie at 247lbs look TINY and more of your dumb logic Ronnie's back at 247lbs is some how thicker than Dorians at 270lbs :-X oh boy ::)
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well truth be told thats the best side chest ever right there. Ronnies was massive too but because of of his short torso or he didnt know how to pose right or whatever his physique wouldnt flow at all when hitting a side chest.
Exactly , Ronnie's side chest shot sucked compared to Yates
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Please lets keep it to BDB pose, which means no Nasser, no Dillett
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to play ND's game, 263 pounds of dorian making 257 pound ronnie look small and owning him onstage.
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Hahahahaha Hulkster reduced to using Dorian at one of his worse showings to prove a point , can always count on you for dumb posts
like I always said you're scared of Dorian at his best for a very good reason ;) and hey I don't blame you
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no not compared to 200 lbs guys only ::) ;D
Not his best and not really hitting the pose either ;)
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as for yates chest it was very good but its size was a little small for his torso and width!!.. it takes lesser space than what it should take to match his wide torso.. still not a weak point but when compared to top guys the same size as yates his chest always came after them.. haney and nasser for example..
same can be said about his shoulders,.. they were good but a little small when compared to guys with great shoulders like levrone and nasser..
no offence what so ever but in that pic of dorian and nasser above, yates has a bigger chest then nasser, to prove i,m not being biased nasser looks better from the front in that picture, but chest is smaller, just saying.
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gh15 overlooks Ronnies poor genetics regarding calves. With calves in mind I think Dorian is superior to Ronnie in the back DB. Look at those calves!
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Hard to judge - each dude is king.
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dorian is by far the best mst complete detailed proportioned bdb ever
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Hard to judge - each dude is king.
yes....
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besides one bicep is hard to argue dorian ... very very complete in every aspect
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I disagree.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=372551.0;attach=409901;image)
in a side chest your pecs are supposed to pop out, Dont get me wrong I think Levrone had one of the best 5 physiques maybe ever but you just cant be a contender in this pose if its well know that chest is one of your weak points.
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best side chest ever
(http://forum.fight.ro/files/schwarzenegger_arnold_004_1_.jpg)
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I agree he didn't have great symmetry in the context of small hips & waist and tiny joints A'la Flex but like I said he was almost a pure mesomorph while Flex had a light frame he definitely leaned more towards ectomorph naturally and Flex himself it was always hard for him to gain size it came slowly
Again you can't have one of the best side triceps shot of all-time with arms that sucked , I agree they may not be as round as Flex or Ronnie but the point stands despite that neither of them could stand with him in this pose , so to say his shaped sucked is nonsense especially when it's base on your preference and not in reality ( see Dave Polumbo whose shape really sucks )
apples vs oranges despite not have the best symmetry ( small waist & hips ) Dorian kills Flex and Ronnie in the ab-thigh can't do that with shitty shape and mediocre genetics
All good points and I agree its a matter of personal preference. That's why I think this is the best RDB:
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Ronnie = water man.
Dorian = muscle man.
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check out the thickness of Ronnie's back in this ronnie vs dorian comparison.
ronnie at his arguable best at the 2001 AC and dorian at his self proclaimed best in 1995 at his hardest.
ronnie owns him.
cue the guy excuses! ::)
both at their bests and they will still say the comparison is skewed and that dorian actually wins LOL ::)
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notice:
dorian's arms pale in comparison, his back is not nearly as thick, his glutes/hams nowhere near ronnie's level and his waist is thicker ruining his taper in comparison.
so much for the numbers eh ND? LOL
nuthuggers on suicide watch now!
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but, dorian wins on calves.
yes, better calves and inferior everything else make a better back double bi! ::) ::) ::)
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but, dorian wins on calves.
yes, better calves and inferior everything else make a better back double bi! ::) ::) ::)
Dorian owns Ronnie is every aspect other than biceps ;)
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Dorian owns Ronnie is every aspect other than biceps ;)
ronnie has triceps hamstring and glutes on dorian, very obviously. back is a toss up. ronnie has more deep cuts and more taper. dorian has more thickness and density.
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Ronnie = water man.
Dorian = muscle man.
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Niagra Coleman
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ronnie has triceps hamstring and glutes on dorian, very obviously. back is a toss up. ronnie has more deep cuts and more taper. dorian has more thickness and density.
Ronnie has biceps and a bunch of mix-and-matched parts that don't have balance not his fault really he just isn't built right
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Oh brother gonna be a long night ND and Hulkster back in action.
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Hahahahaha Hulkster reduced to using Dorian at one of his worse showings to prove a point , can always count on you for dumb posts
like I always said you're scared of Dorian at his best for a very good reason ;) and hey I don't blame you
on the flip side you only use that same dorian pic over and over.
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on the flip side you only use that same dorian pic over and over.
really? go pack a few pages and see how many different ones I've used. And I use that one because it's a high quality shot and shows exactly my point
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Oh brother gonna be a long night ND and Hulkster back in action.
Nope Hulkster already failed when he appeared in another Yates thread , he proved he knows Dorian is superior which is exactly why he's trying so hard to prove otherwise
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Dorian is 269 bone dry beats 247lbs bone dry , couple that 269 with better balance & proportion , more complete , less flaws and he would most certainly make Ronnie at 247lbs look TINY and more of your dumb logic Ronnie's back at 247lbs is some how thicker than Dorians at 270lbs
why do you insist on fighting a losing battle? Ronnie at 287 lbs would dwarf a 20 lbs lighter Dorian ;)
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why do you insist on fighting a losing battle? Ronnie at 287 lbs would dwarf a 20 lbs lighter Dorian ;)
HAhahahaha only in your imaginary comparisons does Ronnie ' dwarf ' Dorian , Dorian would make Ronnie 03 look 6 weeks out , incomplete and soft as a babies ass
and speaking about losing battles how that whole Rick Ross thing work out for you? ;)
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HAhahahaha only in your imaginary comparisons does Ronnie ' dwarf ' Dorian , Dorian would make Ronnie 03 look 6 weeks out , incomplete and soft as a babies ass
lol, sure. Here's your own quote:
"Dorian is 269 bone dry beats 247lbs bone dry... and he would most certainly make Ronnie at 247lbs look TINY"
the difference between 269 and 247 lbs is about the same as 287 lbs and 269 lbs, yet somehow the weight advantage only works in Dorian's favor ::)
if Dorian would make 01 ASC Ronnie look small, then 03 Ronnie would make Dorian look small for the same reasons
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lol, sure. Here's your own quote:
"Dorian is 269 bone dry beats 247lbs bone dry... and he would most certainly make Ronnie at 247lbs look TINY"
the difference between 269 and 247 lbs is about the same as 287 lbs and 269 lbs, yet somehow the weight advantage only works in Dorian's favor ::)
if Dorian would make 01 ASC Ronnie look small, then 03 Ronnie would make Dorian look small for the same reasons
WRONG as usual most of Ronnie's weight in 03 was in his quads and arms and midsection , needless to say this sent his already shitty balance & proportion into a nose dive his conditioning sucked and his details disappeared , no good ' dwarfing ' anyone when it's at the expense of everything else ;)
and when you're super hard and super dry it makes you look even bigger and Ronnie 2003 isn't super hard and dry ;) thanks for playing kid
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Dorian OWNS Ronnie 2003/2001/1998 pick a year Ronnie is down to much to recover
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lol, sure. Here's your own quote:
"Dorian is 269 bone dry beats 247lbs bone dry... and he would most certainly make Ronnie at 247lbs look TINY"
the difference between 269 and 247 lbs is about the same as 287 lbs and 269 lbs, yet somehow the weight advantage only works in Dorian's favor ::)
if Dorian would make 01 ASC Ronnie look small, then 03 Ronnie would make Dorian look small for the same reasons
i think what nd meant was dorian 269 and ronnie 247 shared equal hardness but ronnie s 2003s look was at the expence of hardness. so same logic wouldnt apply. Not that I am defending yates because i think ronnie would edge him out in an overall both at their peaks because of his shape and proportions, however no daubt about it that dorian would be graineir drier and harder
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WRONG as usual most of Ronnie's weight in 03 was in his quads and arms and midsection , needless to say this sent his already shitty balance & proportion into a nose dive his conditioning sucked and his details disappeared , no good ' dwarfing ' anyone when it's at the expense of everything else
too bad you're using old arguments from 90s bodybuilding when there were fewer pictures available online and bodybuilding fans could get away with making up crap since there was no visual evidence to disprove them. There is an abundance of pics that show Ronnie in 03 was bigger overall - not just in his quads or midsection. Also, lulz for you thinking Ronnie carried most of his 287 lbs in his arms, quads, and midsection. You win for the most idiotic statement on getbig. He would need to have like 50 inch arms and 80 inch legs
and when you're super hard and super dry it makes you look even bigger and Ronnie 2003 isn't super hard and dry thanks for playing kid
go back to college and retake physics b/c you obviously don't understand that something more dense has less volume than something less dense
furthermore, you mistake Ronnie for having the same bone structure as Dorian. The fact is Ronnie could weigh less and still look bigger b/c he had smaller joints and a narrower waist. Therefore, Dorian at the same weight would look smaller than Ronnie.
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i think what nd meant was dorian 269 and ronnie 247 shared equal hardness but ronnie s 2003s look was at the expence of hardness. so same logic wouldnt apply. Not that I am defending yates because i think ronnie would edge him out in an overall both at their peaks because of his shape and proportions, however no daubt about it that dorian would be graineir drier and harder
it's hard to say b/c how do you measure conditioning from a picture?
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it's hard to say b/c how do you measure conditioning from a picture?
You have to place your computer monitor three feet to your left and two feet in front of you and then while looking straight ahead look at the pictures from the corner of your eye. Your peripheral vision will try to compensate giving you greater ability to measure conditioning.
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HAhahahahahaha meltdown you're the one tampering with pictures in some lame attempt at making Ronnie ' grainy ' hahahahah
Ronnie would be left for dead by Dorian in all poses and Ronnie knows it
I'm confused what pictures I tampered? If you're referring to the '99 dark looking pics I've never posted them. And I haven't posted any pics in this thread, the title of which you still don't seem to have read. Troll.
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Dorian OWNS Ronnie 2003/2001/1998 pick a year Ronnie is down to much to recover
Why repeatedly post the less good Ronnie picture against the very best Dorian picture when there is a clearly better Ronnie picture above posted by Neoseminole?
Read.Title.Thread.
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too bad you're using old arguments from 90s bodybuilding when there were fewer pictures available online and bodybuilding fans could get away with making up crap since there was no visual evidence to disprove them. There is an abundance of pics that show Ronnie in 03 was bigger overall - not just in his quads or midsection. Also, lulz for you thinking Ronnie carried most of his 287 lbs in his arms, quads, and midsection. You win for the most idiotic statement on getbig. He would need to have like 50 inch arms and 80 inch legs
go back to college and retake physics b/c you obviously don't understand that something more dense has less volume than something less dense
furthermore, you mistake Ronnie for having the same bone structure as Dorian. The fact is Ronnie could weigh less and still look bigger b/c he had smaller joints and a narrower waist. Therefore, Dorian at the same weight would look smaller than Ronnie.
too bad you're using old arguments from 90s bodybuilding when there were fewer pictures available online and bodybuilding fans could get away with making up crap since there was no visual evidence to disprove them. There is an abundance of pics that show Ronnie in 03 was bigger overall - not just in his quads or midsection. Also, lulz for you thinking Ronnie carried most of his 287 lbs in his arms, quads, and midsection. You win for the most idiotic statement on getbig. He would need to have like 50 inch arms and 80 inch legs
You love my arguments you copied them almost verbatim on other forums ;) until you got outed.
And pics prove my point , most of Ronnie's weight gain in 2003 was in his quads , glutes , arms and GUT and you're bragging as if a bigger softer guy dwarfing guy who is 18lbs lighter and dead pan on the money dense and dry is an advantage and it's NOT you = fail
287lbs soft vs 270lbs done dry = no contest extra weight is no advantage
go back to college and retake physics b/c you obviously don't understand that something more dense has less volume than something less dense
we're not talking inanimate objects we're talking about muscle and Ronnie 2003 is not as hard or as dense as Dorian at 270lbs and why? he's carrying more fat & water , after all these years you still haven't learned anything , no wonder why you're ripping me off in other forums
furthermore, you mistake Ronnie for having the same bone structure as Dorian. The fact is Ronnie could weigh less and still look bigger b/c he had smaller joints and a narrower waist. Therefore, Dorian at the same weight would look smaller than Ronnie.
You mistake extra weight as an advantage and it's NOT get this through your dense head ( pun intended ) Ronnie can look bigger all he wants ( entertaining it's true ) it means NOTHING when he's not as hard or as dry , NO ADVANTAGE which is why Shawn Ray beat Nasser as did Flex , Paul Dillett bigger and softer than Yates and he got no where
when you're bone dry and rock hard you look bigger , worked for Ronnie in 01 against his competition , and it worked for Dorian , Ronnie 03 not bone dry and rock hard
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I'm confused what pictures I tampered? If you're referring to the '99 dark looking pics I've never posted them. And I haven't posted any pics in this thread, the title of which you still don't seem to have read. Troll.
the black and white ones you made in feeble attempt at making Ronnie ' grainy '
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flex had better separation and "shape" over Yates and look what that got him. ronnie may have better shape and separation (and had it while losing to Yates every time).
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it's hard to say b/c how do you measure conditioning from a picture?
yeah it's real hard ::)
you do the math
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I've not posted these pics, not sure why you're saying this repeatedly, maybe you're thinking of someone else.
I'm talking about the pic above posted by neo-seminole in colour from 2003. You've not referenced it in your last 3 or so replies, despite it being the entire argument from the Ronnie camp, well from me anyway, you can only argue against different, less impressive pictures, which is irrelevant, hilarious to watch, please continue.
I predict now a reply referring to old hazily mashed-together arguments from the truce thread, and zero reference to the 2 pics in question or the title of this thread, in which Ronnie fans are perfectly entitled to post their fav back double biceps pic, regardless of your amusingly final sounding interpretations of the judging criteria etc.
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Differences in stage lighting and picture contrast are clear in those two pics don't you think? In the same way everyone at the 99 English grand prix had mad conditioning cos the lighting was amazing. The 98 pic it's dark in the background, the 99 pic it's light as fuck.
Although I personally think he had better conditioning in 98. Not the most scientific comparison in those two pics though.
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I dunno...Ronnie looks fantastic..(as we expect him to be)....
But I remember when those black and white pics of Dorian first came out...when they were brand new...I felt sick. I was like "HOLY FUCK"... No rear double biceps..before or since..has had that raw effect.
Take it for what its worth....
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Differences in stage lighting and picture contrast are clear in those two pics don't you think? In the same way everyone at the 99 English grand prix had mad conditioning cos the lighting was amazing. The 98 pic it's dark in the background, the 99 pic it's light as fuck.
Although I personally think he had better conditioning in 98. Not the most scientific comparison in those two pics though.
look at all pics from 1998 compared to 1999 it's obvious which contest he's harder and drier in , same with 2000 vs 2001 ASC it's obvious if you know what you're looking at
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I've not posted these pics, not sure why you're saying this repeatedly, maybe you're thinking of someone else.
I'm talking about the pic above posted by neo-seminole in colour from 2003. You've not referenced it in your last 3 or so replies, despite it being the entire argument from the Ronnie camp, well from me anyway, you can only argue against different, less impressive pictures, which is irrelevant, hilarious to watch, please continue.
I predict now a reply referring to old hazily mashed-together arguments from the truce thread, and zero reference to the 2 pics in question or the title of this thread, in which Ronnie fans are perfectly entitled to post their fav back double biceps pic, regardless of your amusingly final sounding interpretations of the judging criteria etc.
You're right my apology I mistook you for iceman
and the other shots from 2003 ? they get a taste of their own medicine , they want to hand pick shots of Dorian I'll return the favor
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Yeah it's hard to ascertain conditioning via pictures ::)
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yeah it's real hard you do the math
what objective visual criteria are you using?
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Difference is Ronnie was born a v taper, Dorian didn't so he tried to make one.
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both weigh the same here.
you can see the classical taper of ronnie vs. the awful mess that is dorian. :-\
you can see one if flexed and the other is not , dummy
both ' weigh ' the same and one is 257lbs bone dry and rock hard and the other is...................... ........................ .NOT , another genius who can't grasp the concept
Yipppppppeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeee he has a smaller waist & hips WOW-WWEEEEEEEE he also has inferior conditioning and balance & proportion oh and he's not as complete but fuck-yeah he has a smaller waist though LMFAO
psssssttttttttttt I'm gonna let you in on a little secret ;) 99% of the people Dorian competed with had smaller waist & hips than him and it did them NOTHING in beating him , you keep projecting what YOU think wins a contest all the while ignoring what really wins
Ronnie's taper is ' better ' yet his front & rear lats spreads can't touch Dorian nor can his ab-thigh , your assumed taper advantage = fail
now mind you Dorian's waist & hips and both wider than Ronnie's in these pics and so it would really show how much wider his back is as well ;)
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what objective visual criteria are you using?
It's already been explained to you ad naseum. go back and look through my arguments and find it yourself like the ones you plagiarized from me and tried to use on bodybuilding.com as your own ;)
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Difference is Ronnie was born a v taper, Dorian didn't so he tried to make one.
and failed miserably. you can't fix ugly no matter how much you work out.. :'(
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It's already been explained to you ad naseum. go back and look through my arguments and find it yourself like the ones you plagiarized from me and tried to use on bodybuilding.com as your own
wrong. You've been asked this question many times and you have yet to provide any objective visual criteria
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and failed miserably. you can't fix ugly no matter how much you work out.. :'(
Dorian > Ronnie, HTH.
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Wings.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=372551.0;attach=410021;image)
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and failed miserably. you can't fix ugly no matter how much you work out.. :'(
Scared of shot of him flexing because he owns Ronnie into tomorrow ;)
Dorian's waist is wider so it so you just how much fucking wider his back is
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same contest , now what was that about chicken wings? ;)
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hahahahaha another horrible comparison where Ronnie's calves are bigger than Dorians ::)
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wrong. You've been asked this question many times and you have yet to provide any objective visual criteria
wrong ! on top of answering your question I've proven beyond a doubt Ronnie doesn't compare to Dorian in terms of conditioning , especially Ronnie 2003. He doesn't compare to Ronnie 1998 never mind Dorian so either way YOU FAIL just like you failed on bodybuilding.com
it's really , really easy to plainly see which year he was harder and drier , well easy if you know what you're talking about
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It's already been explained to you ad naseum
ain't that the truth.
And LOL at ND......still shouting the loudest and longest that his opinion is "righter". you need to have your head examined.
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You guys are still going at this at 4 am in the morning?
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You guys are still going at this at 4 am in the morning?
They wouldn't logout even if you were gangbanging their mothers with a gang of bikers next to them.
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ain't that the truth.
And LOL at ND......still shouting the loudest and longest that his opinion is "righter". you need to have your head examined.
LOL!!!
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They wouldn't logout even if you were gangbanging their mothers with a gang of bikers next to them.
Haha.
Lulz.
The hate that exists between ND and Hulkster is the thing of legends.
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wrong ! on top of answering your question I've proven beyond a doubt Ronnie doesn't compare to Dorian in terms of conditioning , especially Ronnie 2003. He doesn't compare to Ronnie 1998 never mind Dorian so either way YOU FAIL just like you failed on bodybuilding.com
no, you haven't answered anything hence why you keep dodging my question. If you already explained it "ad nausem," as you say, then you should have no problem summing it up in one sentence. In fact, you're wasting more energy making up excuses than answering the question. Hmm, I wonder why ;)
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No to beat a dead horse, but it all went downhill from here imo..
(http://i376.photobucket.com/albums/oo202/Sk8erPunk1913/ArnoldDoubleBicep.jpg)
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no, you haven't answered anything hence why you keep dodging my question. If you already explained it "ad nausem," as you say, then you should have no problem summing it up in one sentence. In fact, you're wasting more energy making up excuses than answering the question. Hmm, I wonder why ;)
I never dodged anything you ever typed , and again it's been explained already just like the rest of my arguments you stole and tried to use as your own on bodybuilding.com ;)
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They wouldn't logout even if you were gangbanging their mothers with a gang of bikers next to them.
lmfao ;D
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ain't that the truth.
And LOL at ND......still shouting the loudest and longest that his opinion is "righter". you need to have your head examined.
My opinion isn't righter , just just plain old RIGHT ;)
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The hate that exists between ND and Hulkster is the thing of legends.
I figure it will continue on after they die. It'll be like the Dread Pirate Roberts - someone new will always continue to fill the role of ND and Hulkster.
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Scared of shot of him flexing because he owns Ronnie into tomorrow ;)
Dorian's waist is wider so it so you just how much fucking wider his back is
thanks for illustrating beautifully how undersized dorian's arms are in that 95 shot.
serious proportion problems for that man.
ronnie, on the other hand, at his best, had none:
hell, even his calves were in line before his 300 pound balloon quad look.
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thanks for illustrating beautifully how undersized dorian's arms are in that 95 shot.
serious proportion problems for that man.
ronnie, on the other hand, at his best, had none:
hehehehehehehehe had none ;D
he had none alright ;)
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Ronnie at his ' best ' HAHAHAHAHHAHA nice taper , small waist & hips bro getting outclassed by Dorian as usual
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shouldnt this be merged with the truce thread by now?
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shouldnt this be merged with the truce thread by now?
That tread is finished like Hulkster
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Dorians christmas tree has yet to be duplicated in nearly 20 years.
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Dorians christmas tree has yet to be duplicated in nearly 20 years.
Exactly , especially not by a guy who is 260lbs
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I never dodged anything you ever typed , and again it's been explained already just like the rest of my arguments you stole and tried to use as your own on bodybuilding.com
translation = I'm going to keep claiming I already gave an explanation to avoid the embarrassment of sounding like an idiot
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My opinion isn't righter , just just plain old RIGHT ;)
You realize that in 5 + years and six billion posts, not one person has ever said..."gee..you know your right, I guess Dorian is better "
winning ::)
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You realize that in 5 + years and six billion posts, not one person has ever said..."gee..you know your right, I guess Dorian is better "
winning ::)
my ass they haven't in fact you wouldn't believe how many PM's I get from people who don't want to get involved saying they agree Dorian is better and you know what winning is sport? Ronnie constantly saying Dorian is better ;)
thanks for playing Groink we have some lovely parting gifts for you
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translation = I'm going to keep claiming I already gave an explanation to avoid the embarrassment of sounding like an idiot
yeah just like you ignoring you ripped my arguments off on bodybuilding.com and got exposed for it
I never EVER once ran from anything you typed , it's been ME explaining things to you not the other way around
the ultimate validation if YOU using my arguments are your own on bodybuilding.com and getting busted for it
I posted a clear example of Ronnie well conditioned and not and I've explained dozens of times what great conditioning is and isn't and to this day you still can't gasp the concept , the problem isn't my explanations it's your limited abilities
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my ass they haven't in fact you wouldn't believe how many PM's I get from people who don't want to get involved saying they agree Dorian is better and you know what winning is sport?
Agreeing not = to you convincing someone. But I think it's funny that people actually e-mail you with support.
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my ass they haven't in fact you wouldn't believe how many PM's I get from people who don't want to get involved saying they agree Dorian is better and you know what winning is sport? Ronnie constantly saying Dorian is better ;)
thanks for playing Groink we have some lovely parting gifts for you
OMG its like talking to a retard
bye now...ill check back in six months from now and you'll still be having a stroke over Dorian...have fun with that.
PS...agreeing isn't convincing stupid. ...and who could blame them for not wanting to get involved in your religious crusade over stridated lower backs
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OMG its like talking to a retard
bye now...ill check back in six months from now and you'll still be having a stroke over Dorian...have fun with that.
PS...agreeing isn't convincing stupid. ...and who could blame them for not wanting to get involved in your religious crusade over stridated lower backs
Keep checking in sport ;) I'll still be doing my thing and you'll still be crying about it
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yeah just like you ignoring you ripped my arguments off on bodybuilding.com and got exposed for it
what the heck are you talking about?
I never EVER once ran from anything you typed , it's been ME explaining things to you not the other way around
wrong, you have you been evading my question in this thread
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Agreeing not = to you convincing someone. But I think it's funny that people actually e-mail you with support.
Some have changed their minds and some have agreed
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Keep checking in sport ;) I'll still be doing my thing and you'll still be crying about it
I don't doubt it for a second..."sport" ::)
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what the heck are you talking about?
wrong, you have you been evading my question in this thread
This is what I'm talking about and you can play dumb all you want it changes nothing
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I don't doubt it for a second..."sport" ::)
Maybe I should have a Twitter account it would make it easier for you to follow me.
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This is what I'm talking about and you can play dumb all you want it changes nothing
I haven't been playing dumb. RickRoss tried to own me by taking my quotes out of context. I corrected him and was even repped by a few on bb.com who saw through his childish tactics
still waiting for you to explain what objective visual criteria you use to determine conditioning from a picture ;)
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I haven't been playing dumb. RickRoss tried to own me by taking my quotes out of context. I corrected him and was even repped by a few on bb.com who saw through his childish tactics
still waiting for you to explain what objective visual criteria you use to determine conditioning from a picture ;)
HAHAHAHAHA tried to own you? tried? you got exposed on there like I do to you on here
keep waiting because it's been explained keep playing dumb as well you're good at that
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lol, comparing 03 Ronnie to a pre-contest Dorian is not fair. Dorian loses his advantage in conditioning and is still smaller than Ronnie
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Ouch! :D
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lol, comparing 03 Ronnie to a pre-contest Dorian is not fair. Dorian loses his advantage in conditioning and is still smaller than Ronnie
I'm sure you believe that , the irony of you claiming there is no objective way to ascertain who is better conditioned via pics but you somehow magically came to the conclusion Dorian loses his advantage in this department via...pics , bravo ::)
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All Yates fans wish Hulkster a Merry Christmas:
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=155333.0;attach=407270;image)
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I'm sure you believe that , the irony of you claiming there is no objective way to ascertain who is better conditioned via pics but you somehow magically came to the conclusion Dorian loses his advantage in this department via...pics , bravo
wrong, I never said there is no objective way to determine conditioning via pics. I asked you what criteria you use since you keep erroneously saying a pre-contest Dorian was more conditioned than a contest Ronnie
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wrong, I never said there is no objective way to determine conditioning via pics. I asked you what criteria you use since you keep erroneously saying a pre-contest Dorian was more conditioned than a contest Ronnie
And I already explained to you dozens of times ontop of providing plenty of first hand testimonies that Ronnie doesn't compare to Dorian in conditioning , especially not Ronnie 2003 , it's hard to determine conditioning via pics according to you ( which I agree with to a certain extent ) but yet you managed to do it with NO objective way you're still a hypocrite and a wrong one ontop of it
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And I already explained to you dozens of times ontop of providing plenty of first hand testimonies that Ronnie doesn't compare to Dorian in conditioning , especially not Ronnie 2003 , it's hard to determine conditioning via pics according to you ( which I agree with to a certain extent ) but yet you managed to do it with NO objective way you're still a hypocrite and a wrong one ontop of it
I did use objective criteria. Conditioning can be estimated by looking at overall separations and striations. The last time you tried to explain how you determine conditioning, you claimed to have x-ray vision which allows you to see water and fat through the skin in a picture, lol
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Holy conditioning batman!
Conditioning = Game, set, match, Dorian.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=155333.0;attach=407270;image)
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Holy conditioning batman!
Conditioning = Game, set, match, Dorian.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=155333.0;attach=407270;image)
Agreed. Anyone who looks at that pic and says that Coleman had superior condition must be a complete asshole in denial.
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killing the aesthetic guys.
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killing the aesthetic guys.
Here too (his worst year):
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Here too (his worst year):
you blind dude?...or just living in denial ??? shawnie is destroying everyone in those pics...including dorian
94 & 97 are two years when ray should've taken the title...midget version of the ultimate male physique
yates at his best probably was better but his peak unfortunately didn't last too long before injuries took their toll on his body...and 97 he really looked like a bloated, in the shrink of death one-armed bandit...dorian should've won 3 sandows max, not fucking six :-[
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you blind dude?...or just living in denial ??? shawnie is destroying everyone in those pics...including dorian
94 & 97 are two years when ray should've taken the title...midget version of the ultimate male physique
yates at his best probably was better but his peak unfortunately didn't last too long before injuries took their toll on his body...and 97 he really looked like a bloated, in the shrink of death one-armed bandit...dorian should've won 3 sandows max, not fucking six :-[
i agree with the exception that nasser should have won in 97 and not ray..
yates imo deserved his titles in 92, 93, 94, &, 95..
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you blind dude?...or just living in denial ??? shawnie is destroying everyone in those pics...including dorian
94 & 97 are two years when ray should've taken the title...midget version of the ultimate male physique
yates at his best probably was better but his peak unfortunately didn't last too long before injuries took their toll on his body...and 97 he really looked like a bloated, in the shrink of death one-armed bandit...dorian should've won 3 sandows max, not fucking six :-[
Dream on son and go shave while you're at it.
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i agree with the exception that nasser should have won in 97 and not ray..
yates imo deserved his titles in 92, 93, 94, &, 95..
He deserved 96 too.
Even though he was a little thin due to the Diuretics test, he still won that show.
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He deserved 96 too.
Even though he was a little thin due to the Diuretics test, he still won that show.
he deserved the title till 2001 but after jay took banned diuretics and still kept his 2nd place,.. nasser too should not have been disqualified in 96 and since he was the best on stage he should have won ;D
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He deserved 96 too.
Even though he was a little thin due to the Diuretics test, he still won that show.
(http://muscletime.com/index.php?view=image&format=raw&type=img&id=40319&option=com_joomgallery&Itemid=202)
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And lulz @ the 2001 thing... Jay only kept it due to a good lawyer and a loophole.. Thats an exception and theyre not going to go back through time and grandfather in something that happened at a different contest with different rules. Hahaha ;D
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you blind dude?...or just living in denial ??? shawnie is destroying everyone in those pics...including dorian
94 & 97 are two years when ray should've taken the title...midget version of the ultimate male physique
yates at his best probably was better but his peak unfortunately didn't last too long before injuries took their toll on his body...and 97 he really looked like a bloated, in the shrink of death one-armed bandit...dorian should've won 3 sandows max, not fucking six :-[
;) As someone else put it before: Shawn Ray was the consumate bodybuilder in 94, Dorian was just bigger.
(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/yates/dy177.jpg)
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;) As someone else put it before: Shawn Ray was the consumate bodybuilder in 94, Dorian was just bigger.
(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/yates/dy177.jpg)
Lulz.
Too bad for you and Ray BB is about the muscle! And not about short ill tempered dwarfs with napoleon complex's who are bitter that theyre fighting an uphill battle trying to win the way THEY feel it should be done, rather than the way it actually IS done. (/Kyomu)
Ray was a moron, he constantly bitched and moaned because he felt they should change what BB was about (at that time) to fit him. Youre never going to win doing that, you either figure out what it takes and you follow that path, or you dont. You dont try and change shit to fit what you want. Lulz.
Ray never stood a chance against Diesel, he just continued to play a cruel prank on himself thinking that one day the judges would actually pick him.
Too light to fight, too thin to win.
;D ;D ;D
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Lulz.
Too bad for you and Ray BB is about the muscle! And not about short ill tempered dwarfs with napoleon complex's who are bitter that theyre fighting an uphill battle trying to win the way THEY feel it should be done, rather than the way it actually IS done. (/Kyomu)
Ray was a moron, he constantly bitched and moaned because he felt they should change what BB was about (at that time) to fit him. Youre never going to win doing that, you either figure out what it takes and you follow that path, or you dont. You dont try and change shit to fit what you want. Lulz.
Ray never stood a chance against Diesel, he just continued to play a cruel prank on himself thinking that one day the judges would actually pick him.
Too light to fight, too thin to win.
;D ;D ;D
Judging/judging criteria sucked and it still does.
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Judging/judging criteria sucked and it still does.
Sucks when it doesnt favor your opinion.
;D ;D
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I did use objective criteria. Conditioning can be estimated by looking at overall separations and striations. The last time you tried to explain how you determine conditioning, you claimed to have x-ray vision which allows you to see water and fat through the skin in a picture, lol
hahahahahaha yeah sure I did ::) WRONG Dorian crushes Ronnie in the conditioning department always has always will but out of being fair I've said perhaps Ronnie did match Yates for that look only at his lightest in 98 and 01 ASC but you think Ronnie 03 has better conditioning than Dorian and I laugh at your stupidity :D
Ronnie can't touch Dorian's density , dryness AND size nor balance & proportion and completeness
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hahahahahaha yeah sure I did ::) WRONG Dorian crushes Ronnie in the conditioning department always has always will but out of being fair I've said perhaps Ronnie did match Yates for that look only at his lightest in 98 and 01 ASC but you think Ronnie 03 has better conditioning than Dorian and I laugh at your stupidity :D
Ronnie can't touch Dorian's density , dryness AND size nor balance & proportion and completeness
Proof
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=155333.0;attach=407270;image)
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Proof
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=155333.0;attach=407270;image)
;D
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;D
Yates wiping the floor with Coleman as usual.
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Yates wiping the floor with Coleman as usual.
Too bad for you he said he is not sure who would win between the 2 and even said Ronnie would probably win. ;)
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(http://muscletime.com/index.php?view=image&format=raw&type=img&id=40319&option=com_joomgallery&Itemid=202)
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And lulz @ the 2001 thing... Jay only kept it due to a good lawyer and a loophole.. Thats an exception and theyre not going to go back through time and grandfather in something that happened at a different contest with different rules. Hahaha ;D
::) :P ::)
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hahahahahaha yeah sure I did WRONG Dorian crushes Ronnie in the conditioning department always has always will but out of being fair I've said perhaps Ronnie did match Yates for that look only at his lightest in 98 and 01 ASC but you think Ronnie 03 has better conditioning than Dorian and I laugh at your stupidity
oh boy! You've lost your mind. Now you're claiming an offseason Dorian was more conditioned than 01 ASC Ronnie :D
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Proof
what proof? All you did was zoom in on 1 bodypart Dorian was known for. It would be like me posting a close-up of Ronnie's quads and claiming he has the best conditioning ever lol
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and failed miserably. you can't fix ugly no matter how much you work out.. :'(
exactly, thats the whole point here. genetics and structure cant be changed even with drugs :-\