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highly technical n scientific,, you get lost at beginning indeed ,, then you start understand ,, fucking awesome ,, it's change my life ,,
http://journal.crossfit.com/2010/04/insulin-body-weight-and-energy-production.tpl
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missed this post.... great find!!!
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k whats the breakdown or basic guidelines of the topic for those of us who are busy at the moment
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k whats the breakdown or basic guidelines of the topic for those of us who are busy at the moment
x100
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it's change my life ,,
negartive or positive ?
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He says it's not about calories, that's what it is about mostly.
He rather talks about insuline and that you can gain weight with little food/calories if you're in a starvation mode.
He gives an example of a diet with 50% less calories than the maintenance weight. He breaks it down to a 60% fat loss and 40% muscle loss. Body sense this and raises sensitivity level
and that will make you gain 80% fat 20% muscle with a refeeding at maintenance caloric level.
Then he also says that you basically can't get enough protein, that RDI:s are fantasies and that there is many documented benefits to very high protein diets (more bonse density, muscle mass, fat reduction etc). Then he links it back to the stone age diet and that humans aren't programmed to high carbohydrate diets.
This is all in part three which I found most interesting.
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I dont tend to lose shit on keto, I have to have some form of carbs to lose fat, tried keto for 3 months and barely lost 4 pounds.
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I dont tend to lose shit on keto, I have to have some form of carbs to lose fat, tried keto for 3 months and barely lost 4 pounds.
maybe you overate fat
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dont eat alot of meat if you want high protien that shit will NOT give you higher bone density
eskimos eat mainly meat yet have the highest rates of osteoperosis
so opt for plant protiens
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I dont tend to lose shit on keto, I have to have some form of carbs to lose fat, tried keto for 3 months and barely lost 4 pounds.
Could have been you weren't really in ketosis. It's easy to bring in too many carbohydrates without realizing it if you're not careful with your food consumption. For example, nuts are a great keto diet food but carry some carbs, if you eat too many throughout the day it's very easy to throw yourself out of ketosis. There are countless examples like this one.
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keto works fucking great, especially when you are on high protein.
Problem is, it turns me into a zombie in no time. Always sleepy, no energy, i forget things, want to sleep all day. And the carb cravings nearly kill me.
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keto rocks
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nice
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keto works fucking great, especially when you are on high protein.
Problem is, it turns me into a zombie in no time. Always sleepy, no energy, i forget things, want to sleep all day. And the carb cravings nearly kill me.
not made for ya ,, someone on keto have high adrenaline ,,
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not made for ya ,, someone on keto have high adrenaline ,,
definitely not made for me, but it works, lol.
Maybe i should use more caffeine and other stimulants, will probably help a lot.
Never heard about the adrenaline thing on ketos before.
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definitely not made for me, but it works, lol.
Maybe i should use more caffeine and other stimulants, will probably help a lot.
Never heard about the adrenaline thing on ketos before.
unsure but low range carb 20gr ,, complex carb help catabolism of stim , zero carb + cafeine = hard on muscle mass / that what i do ,, brologic,, i still fell im in ketosis
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I have been on the palumbo diet for a few weeks and had my first cheat meal. had last night... and buy a TON of food from the market, I could not for the life of me eat over 1000 cals in one sitting for some reason. 8)usually I can pound a ton of food within a hour but I was like wtf!? I had 2 burgers and felt like I was about to throw up.
Also simply am not getting hungry. In fact I have no appetite at all. Not even for my regular meals or even breakfast.. eating close to 2000 calories per day. ::)
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Could have been you weren't really in ketosis. It's easy to bring in too many carbohydrates without realizing it if you're not careful with your food consumption. For example, nuts are a great keto diet food but carry some carbs, if you eat too many throughout the day it's very easy to throw yourself out of ketosis. There are countless examples like this one.
. Fat loss=energy deficit.Being in ketosis is irrelevant. You could easily take 200 calories from a palumbo diet for example than contains 1/2 cup cashews and replace it with 200 calories of rice and loose same amount of fat. Many studies show people in ketosis lost no more fat than people eating similar calorie levels. He probably just overate fat...very easy to get carried away with peanut butter for me.. ;D
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I have been on the palumbo diet for a few weeks and had my first cheat meal. had last night... and buy a TON of food from the market, I could not for the life of me eat over 1000 cals in one sitting for some reason. 8)usually I can pound a ton of food within a hour but I was like wtf!? I had 2 burgers and felt like I was about to throw up.
Also simply am not getting hungry. In fact I have no appetite at all. Not even for my regular meals or even breakfast.. eating close to 2000 calories per day. ::)
Do you think this is from the diet itself? Ive heard many people say that when on keto they are never hungry.
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. Fat loss=energy deficit.Being in ketosis is irrelevant. You could easily take 200 calories from a palumbo diet for example than contains 1/2 cup cashews and replace it with 200 calories of rice and loose same amount of fat. Many studies show people in ketosis lost no more fat than people eating similar calorie levels. He probably just overate fat...very easy to get carried away with peanut butter for me.. ;D
my problem is on carb i dont stop once in low digits , i fuck my diet , i get carb addict n weight meal is annoying , keto , 300gr meat at grocery , never hungry , n dont slip ,, with carb i fail ,, fail contest diet ,, with carb i look bloated n watery ,, dieting on carb easy ,, dieting on carb til dry stage condition not evryone can do that ,, i cant ,,
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If you think you can "overeat" peanut butter on a ketosis diet and that you aren't losing weight b/c your "fat" intake is too high you are wrong. It's your CARB intake that is too high. As someone pointed out earlier, nuts, peanutbutter, etc. are "fairly low" in carbs, but if you eat a lot of them, you will get kicked out of ketosis.
People who do a TRUE low carb diet have in my experience always had good results.
so you are trying to say that when you carbs are low enough it doesnt matter how much fat you eat?
thats wrong.
if you eat mmore than maintanence calories it will cause weight gain, even if its 100% healthy fats.
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so you are trying to say that when you carbs are low enough it doesnt matter how much fat you eat?
thats wrong.
if you eat mmore than maintanence calories it will cause weight gain, even if its 100% healthy fats.
480gr prote - 200gr fat - 20gr carb it my winning formula get leaner fast pace evry day
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If you think you can "overeat" peanut butter on a ketosis diet and that you aren't losing weight b/c your "fat" intake is too high you are wrong. It's your CARB intake that is too high. As someone pointed out earlier, nuts, peanutbutter, etc. are "fairly low" in carbs, but if you eat a lot of them, you will get kicked out of ketosis.
People who do a TRUE low carb diet have in my experience always had good results.
-Excess Calories make you fat.
-fat loss has nothing to do with being in ketosis.
Tbombz is da man (:
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so you are trying to say that when you carbs are low enough it doesnt matter how much fat you eat?
thats wrong.
if you eat mmore than maintanence calories it will cause weight gain, even if its 100% healthy fats.
totally incorrect, I do this every year for holiday. You can eat 3000 calories a day all high fat with no carbs and you will loose weight fast very fast. I loose about 4 pounds a day.
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totally incorrect, I do this every year for holiday. You can eat 3000 calories a day all high fat with no carbs and you will loose weight fast very fast. I loose about 4 pounds a day.
wow ::) :-\
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so you are trying to say that when you carbs are low enough it doesnt matter how much fat you eat?
thats wrong.
if you eat mmore than maintanence calories it will cause weight gain, even if its 100% healthy fats.
False
The body can not store fat without insulin
It is impossible
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480gr prote - 200gr fat - 20gr carb it my winning formula get leaner fast pace evry day
a lot of broscience in this thread.
glad to see at least one person knows whats going on.
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a lot of broscience in this thread.
glad to see at least one person knows whats going on.
what right n wrong i dont know ,, but be big n 4%bf it' th goal ,, i think im in th right direction ,,,
im goin public 2 weeks out , full utube n shit ,,
will see then
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what right n wrong i dont know ,, but be big n 4%bf it' th goal ,, i think im in th right direction ,,,
im goin public 2 weeks out , full utube n shit ,,
will see then
Subscribes to thread ;D
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You are initially losing water... not fat. You will eventually get fatter if you stay on this kind of diet.
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The good 'doc' is looking like the Unibomber these days.
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You are initially losing water... not fat. You will eventually get fatter if you stay on this kind of diet.
LOL
BLP and i are almost number for number matching macros. im a little higher with my fats, and a little lower in my protein.
also i think were both doing refeeds every 3-4 days if im not mistaken, so our diets macro wise and structure are very similar.
and were both getting the same results.
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Keto is a fukcen joke.....in a very small % it might work..otherwise it will totaly fukc up your system bigtime...........
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Keto is a fukcen joke.....in a very small % it might work..otherwise it will totaly fukc up your system bigtime...........
I feel fucking great on keto
I look like shit on it but I feel great ;D
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keto , 8 weeks out , 256
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I didn't watch the video but from the responses I can tell it's mostly bullshit.
False
The body can not store fat without insulin
It is impossible
You do not understand simple physiology.
You don't think the body produces insulin unless you eat carbs?
Hey guys, this dude just found a way for diabetics to stop doing their insulin injections. Just don't eat carbs! ::)
Low carb dieting works but not for the reasons a lot seem to think.
Another thing: Benoit's insulin is most likely still pretty damn high on account of the monster GH doses (plus the very high protein) he's doing. So he's not getting leaner because of "no insulin".
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totally incorrect, I do this every year for holiday. You can eat 3000 calories a day all high fat with no carbs and you will loose weight fast very fast. I loose about 4 pounds a day.
Here's your answer
You are initially losing water... not fat. You will eventually get fatter if you stay on this kind of diet.
Might as well drop a lazix and eat some carbs as well - even better "fat loss".
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Here's your answer
Might as well drop a lazix and eat some carbs as well - even better "fat loss".
So that' why people tend to look really flat if they go on low carbs ? (not even keto state)
I think it's all about calories,
i went on low carbs just because my fat's and protein intake were at the minimum for me, so i had to drop carbs and with fewer re-feed/carb-up days i shred pretty fast...
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So that' why people tend to look really flat if they go on low carbs ? (not even keto state)
There is always a rather dramatic water drop if you drop your carbs completely.
Here's quick google from the diet genius Lyle McDonald: Now remember, this guy isn't against ketogenic dieting, quite contrary. But bullshit is bullshit.
Introduction
Pretty much without fail, every decade seems to see the resurgence of the idea that extremely low-carbohydrate diets have a ‘metabolic advantage’ over carb-based diets; that is the claim is made that the very low-carbohydrate diet will generate more weight or fat loss at the same (or sometimes even a higher calorie level).
Now, before I continue let me say that I have nothing against low-carbohydrate diets. My first book The Ketogenic Diet was about nothing but and many of my dietary approaches often have low- or at least lowered carbohydrate phases to them as they tend to generate certain biological effects that I’m seeking.
As well, research clearly shows that, for some people, lowering carbohydrates can have profound health benefits and in some cases a near removal of dietary carbohydrates (except for things like fruits and vegetables) may be profoundly beneficial.
However, the weight and fat loss claims are a bit trickier. There is certainly an element of truth to the idea that low-carb diets generate more total weight loss but this issue is confounded by the issue of water loss. Between a drop in insulin (insulin causes the kidney to resorb water) and a dehydrating effect of ketones themselves, very-low carbohydrate diets can cause significant water loss.
As I discussed at length in The Ketogenic Diet, water loss can range from 1-15 pounds depending on size (even small individual may lose a rapid 3-4 pounds, of primarily water, in the first days of carbohydrate restriction). This tends to make comparisons of weight loss pretty meaningless. This is even more true when you consider that the difference in total weight loss between low- and high-carb diets is usually only a few pounds anyhow.
Full research review:
http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/research-review/ketogenic-low-carbohydrate-diets-have-no-metabolic-advantage-over-nonketogenic-low-carbohydrate-diets-research-review.html
I'd like to know why Benoit has refeeds since he claims he responds to carbs so poorly and has "poor insulin sensitivity".
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I feel fucking great on keto
I look like shit on it but I feel great ;D
stav, try this the next time you feel you look like shit and your body is telling you to eat- stay on your diet, but dont count calories for one day. eat as much fat as you want- keep protein the same. i like using almonds for this- they are an easy snack.
start this early in the day, and do it right up until you go to bed.
then message me about 8-10 hours later and tell me what happened. i think you'll be pretty fucking amazed.
i stumbled upon it by accident. im pretty sure the results will be the same for you provided you keep your carbs at trace.
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I'd like to know why Benoit has refeeds since he claims he responds to carbs so poorly and has "poor insulin sensitivity".
i'll field this- for me i always thought i 'needed' a refeed- you know? for me its wanting the fullness carbs give- then last week instead of having a refeed, i just upped my fat intake dramatically. i didnt even count the cals. i just ate fats as i was hungry, keeping my meals the same, but just snacking on fats between.
by the end of the night i have never experienced such a feeling of fullness and vascularity- and i am NOT a vascular guy. i honestly felt like i had just finished a workout given the fullness i was experiencing. it is the best i have looked to date in 15+ years of training. this week after my carb refeed, i looked like shit for the next day or two. the only variable that changed that day i upped my fats was my fat intake itself, so the fullness i have to attributed to that.
i am starting to find, for myself, when you get down to lower bf levels i think you can fill out just as well using fats, and keep looking tight- actually better- unlike a carb up which leaves you watering over.
also while it is true the rapid weight loss from a keto diet is due to the bodies release of water as a result of carb restriction, it doesnt explain the weight loss someone who is already 5-6 weeks in a prep is experiencing running a keto diet.
now, i have no dog in this fight- i am NOT a keto diet advocate (mostly because i dont think there is one way of dieting that works the same for everyone) im just relaying what im finding is working best for me.
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i'll field this- for me i always thought i 'needed' a refeed- you know? for me its wanting the fullness carbs give- then last week instead of having a refeed, i just upped my fat intake dramatically. i didnt even count the cals. i just ate fats as i was hungry, keeping my meals the same, but just snacking on fats between.
by the end of the night i have never experienced such a feeling of fullness and vascularity- and i am NOT a vascular guy. i honestly felt like i had just finished a workout given the fullness i was experiencing. it is the best i have looked to date in 15+ years of training. this week after my carb refeed, i looked like shit for the next day or two. the only variable that changed that day i upped my fats was my fat intake itself, so the fullness i have to attributed to that.
i am starting to find, for myself, when you get down to lower bf levels i think you can fill out just as well using fats, and keep looking tight- actually better- unlike a carb up which leaves you watering over.
also while it is true the rapid weight loss from a keto diet is due to the bodies release of water as a result of carb restriction, it doesnt explain the weight loss someone who is already 5-6 weeks in a prep is experiencing running a keto diet.
now, i have no dog in this fight- i am NOT a keto diet advocate (mostly because i dont think there is one way of dieting that works the same for everyone) im just relaying what im finding is working best for me.
I think a refeed including carbs is plain anabolic. I know Disgusted likes ketogenic diets but he has an all-you-can-eat day each week. I asked him if he thought this may be why his guys can put on muscle dieting and he said sure. I know Disgusted "hates" insulin but we know it stops catabolism and can increase anabolism. We all remember DiPasquale, Daniel Duchaine and McDonald used these cyclical approaches to attempt to burn fat at max rate while hopefully putting on some muscle through this metabolic trickery.
I'm wondering about the "filling out with fats" theory though. I'm not saying it doesn't affect appearance but what happens to the fats - they're not quickly stored within the muscle like carbs do. Or do they? If they do, then that would be really horrible since fat marbled muscle is what the modern bodybuilders suffer from. :D
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I think a refeed including carbs is plain anabolic. I know Disgusted likes ketogenic diets but he has an all-you-can-eat day each week. I asked him if he thought this may be why his guys can put on muscle dieting and he said sure. I know Disgusted "hates" insulin but we know it stops catabolism and can increase anabolism. We all remember DiPasquale, Daniel Duchaine and McDonald used these cyclical approaches to attempt to burn fat at max rate while hopefully putting on some muscle through this metabolic trickery.
I'm wondering about the "filling out with fats" theory though. I'm not saying it doesn't affect appearance but what happens to the fats - they're not quickly stored within the muscle like carbs do. Or do they? If they do, then that would be really horrible since fat marbled muscle is what the modern bodybuilders suffer from. :D
:)
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i'll field this- for me i always thought i 'needed' a refeed- you know? for me its wanting the fullness carbs give- then last week instead of having a refeed, i just upped my fat intake dramatically. i didnt even count the cals. i just ate fats as i was hungry, keeping my meals the same, but just snacking on fats between.
by the end of the night i have never experienced such a feeling of fullness and vascularity- and i am NOT a vascular guy. i honestly felt like i had just finished a workout given the fullness i was experiencing. it is the best i have looked to date in 15+ years of training. this week after my carb refeed, i looked like shit for the next day or two. the only variable that changed that day i upped my fats was my fat intake itself, so the fullness i have to attributed to that.
i am starting to find, for myself, when you get down to lower bf levels i think you can fill out just as well using fats, and keep looking tight- actually better- unlike a carb up which leaves you watering over.
also while it is true the rapid weight loss from a keto diet is due to the bodies release of water as a result of carb restriction, it doesnt explain the weight loss someone who is already 5-6 weeks in a prep is experiencing running a keto diet.
now, i have no dog in this fight- i am NOT a keto diet advocate (mostly because i dont think there is one way of dieting that works the same for everyone) im just relaying what im finding is working best for me.
what are you eating for high fat foods to fill out?
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I think a refeed including carbs is plain anabolic. I know Disgusted likes ketogenic diets but he has an all-you-can-eat day each week. I asked him if he thought this may be why his guys can put on muscle dieting and he said sure. I know Disgusted "hates" insulin but we know it stops catabolism and can increase anabolism. We all remember DiPasquale, Daniel Duchaine and McDonald used these cyclical approaches to attempt to burn fat at max rate while hopefully putting on some muscle through this metabolic trickery.
I'm wondering about the "filling out with fats" theory though. I'm not saying it doesn't affect appearance but what happens to the fats - they're not quickly stored within the muscle like carbs do. Or do they? If they do, then that would be really horrible since fat marbled muscle is what the modern bodybuilders suffer from. :D
i too wonder about how the fuck it was possible i filled out so well on just fats over 12 hours, especially when my fat intake is around 200-250 grams a day already. but i know my carbs for that day were under 30, my sodium which is already high stayed the same or was slightly elevated, my supps were the same etc. its the only thing that changed that day.
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what are you eating for high fat foods to fill out?
i use coconut oil and almonds as my 2 fat sources for the most part. that day i used both, but just ate an over abundance of almonds. i didnt measure or weigh them out, just snacked away on them, but i wouldnt be surprised if i took in an extra 100+ grams of fat over what im already getting.
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interesting, i eat alot of almonds also and find my energy levels are much better than when i use carbs
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I didn't watch the video but from the responses I can tell it's mostly bullshit.
You do not understand simple physiology.
You don't think the body produces insulin unless you eat carbs?
Hey guys, this dude just found a way for diabetics to stop doing their insulin injections. Just don't eat carbs! ::)
Low carb dieting works but not for the reasons a lot seem to think.
Another thing: Benoit's insulin is most likely still pretty damn high on account of the monster GH doses (plus the very high protein) he's doing. So he's not getting leaner because of "no insulin".
When your blood sugar rises insulin is produced, when it gets too low glucagon is produced.
I understand human physiology rather well and stand behind my assertion.
Please show me how adipose tissue can be fed without insulin, I would love to see this.
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I'd like to know why Benoit has refeeds since he claims he responds to carbs so poorly and has "poor insulin sensitivity".
keto = high adrenaline , on well done keto , i refeed since deplte phase reach a point i can pull skin way too much ,, refeed for mental health or immune system , or insomnia
i refeed when thing goes downhill n problematic ,, reffeed give me the strength to keep goin
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keto = high adrenaline , on well done keto , i refeed since deplte phase reach a point i can pull skin way too much ,, refeed for mental health or immune system , or insomnia
i refeed when thing goes downhill n problematic ,, reffeed give me the strength to keep goin
How many weeks after the starting the diet you introduce refeeding?
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How many weeks after the starting the diet you introduce refeeding?
right away ,, that 2- 3 weeks wait is a disaster for size
looking at stavios ,, he could cruise th way he look n get ready in 7 weeks , will do hitt n deadlift cardio tho then , he does slow treadmill after workout , not violent enough
keto keep short n intense ,, too long you give up ,,
th low fat high protein is a failure to me , mid fat intake at least , those veggies days are terrible for size
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right away ,, that 2- 3 weeks wait is a disaster for size
looking at stavios ,, he could cruise th way he look n get ready in 7 weeks , will do hitt n deadlift cardio tho then , he does slow treadmill after workout , not violent enough
keto keep short n intense ,, too long you give up ,,
th low fat high protein is a failure to me , mid fat intake at least , those veggies days are terrible for size
By refeeds you mean a whole day eating what you want?
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Please show me how adipose tissue can be fed without insulin, I would love to see this.
So there is no insulin produced if carbs are not eaten? Do you know what gluconeogenesis is? Do you know how hard it is to get into ketosis eating plenty of protein, especially extremely high amounts like Benoit does? I remember even Duchaine saying to only eat 20-30 grams the first couple of days, because you simply wont go ketogenic otherwise.
For arguments sake, let's assume none of the fat you eat is stored when you don't eat carbs. What happens to the fat you don't burn off as energy? Do you just shit it out or what?
Like I said before, if insulin was only produced when carbs are eaten then all a diabetic would need to do is go keto = disease in remission, no insulin needed.
If cyclical keto is something you'd want to try I'd recommend reading McDonald's UD2.0. Even Duchaine remarked that McDonald had surpassed his knowledge in this area (I think Duchaine's book was named Body Opus). I haven't read McDonald's Ketogenic book but I'm sure it's great also.
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By refeeds you mean a whole day eating what you want?
i wish ,, no ,, one meal ,, for thyroid function ,, it's enough ,, one meal you loadddddddd ,,,
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So there is no insulin produced if carbs are not eaten? Do you know what gluconeogenesis is? Do you know how hard it is to get into ketosis eating plenty of protein, especially extremely high amounts like Benoit does? I remember even Duchaine saying to only eat 20-30 grams the first couple of days, because you simply wont go ketogenic otherwise.
For arguments sake, let's assume none of the fat you eat is stored when you don't eat carbs. What happens to the fat you don't burn off as energy? Do you just shit it out or what?
Like I said before, if insulin was only produced when carbs are eaten then all a diabetic would need to do is go keto = disease in remission, no insulin needed.
If cyclical keto is something you'd want to try I'd recommend reading McDonald's UD2.0. Even Duchaine remarked that McDonald had surpassed his knowledge in this area (I think Duchaine's book was named Body Opus). I haven't read McDonald's Ketogenic book but I'm sure it's great also.
Yep - even fat, to a small degree, rises insulin.
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keto works fucking great, especially when you are on high protein.
Problem is, it turns me into a zombie in no time. Always sleepy, no energy, i forget things, want to sleep all day. And the carb cravings nearly kill me.
Keto diet, AND low carb diets are not good for me due to one overarching problem: they kill my energy in the gym. I also believe this is the case for most people.
On a high carb diet I am able to bust my ass in the gym and do cardio while still being in caloric deficit. I have done this for about 5 months straight, going from 20% to < 10% BF, while consistently increasing all my lifts. In contrast, on low-carb diets, i lose a lot of muscle and my lifts go down severely.
I think it´s easy to be fooled by keto and low carb diets, because you get so dry, it´s easy to think that the diet is more effective than it really is. I will never try keto or low carb diets again.
NN
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42689095/ns/health/ (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42689095/ns/health/)
Hot off the press...
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lots of experts here but no one matches the falcon
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So where are the scientific studies showing that keto has advantages over any other high protein diet?
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keto works fucking great, especially when you are on high protein.
Problem is, it turns me into a zombie in no time. Always sleepy, no energy, i forget things, want to sleep all day. And the carb cravings nearly kill me.
Spot fucking on!!!
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keto rocks
nicely played
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Keto diet, AND low carb diets are not good for me due to one overarching problem: they kill my energy in the gym. I also believe this is the case for most people.
On a high carb diet I am able to bust my ass in the gym and do cardio while still being in caloric deficit. I have done this for about 5 months straight, going from 20% to < 10% BF, while consistently increasing all my lifts. In contrast, on low-carb diets, i lose a lot of muscle and my lifts go down severely.
I think it´s easy to be fooled by keto and low carb diets, because you get so dry, it´s easy to think that the diet is more effective than it really is. I will never try keto or low carb diets again.
NN
did you compete , and what did you look like ? any pics ?
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So where are the scientific studies showing that keto has advantages over any other high protein diet?
LOL, do you need a scientific study for everything??
Any scientific studies on why a blowjob is better than a handjob?? ::) ::) ::)
Keto works, because of lower insulin level and restricted calories. Some people can get better along with eating no carbs, some people with eating less fat. Don't make it rocket science, fuck your studies.
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So there is no insulin produced if carbs are not eaten? Do you know what gluconeogenesis is? Do you know how hard it is to get into ketosis eating plenty of protein, especially extremely high amounts like Benoit does? I remember even Duchaine saying to only eat 20-30 grams the first couple of days, because you simply wont go ketogenic otherwise.
For arguments sake, let's assume none of the fat you eat is stored when you don't eat carbs. What happens to the fat you don't burn off as energy? Do you just shit it out or what?
Like I said before, if insulin was only produced when carbs are eaten then all a diabetic would need to do is go keto = disease in remission, no insulin needed.
If cyclical keto is something you'd want to try I'd recommend reading McDonald's UD2.0. Even Duchaine remarked that McDonald had surpassed his knowledge in this area (I think Duchaine's book was named Body Opus). I haven't read McDonald's Ketogenic book but I'm sure it's great also.
Mmm valid point. I forgot about gluconeogenesis and you do have a point.
That I believe is the reason keto diets are high fat moderate protein ultra low carb.
However I doubt the body can store any fat with the miniscule amount of insulin produced and I still do not think you can gain fat on a high calorie keto diet.
Say you ingest 4k calories while in ketosis, can you gain fat? I wonder...Would love for Chris Aceto to weigh in (I know you read this board Chris!)
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methyl ive tried it before and yes you can gain fat.
you can get away with a little more than you would be able to on a standard diet tho
btw, protein bumps up insulin quite a bit, especially animal protein.
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what are you eating for high fat foods to fill out?
High fat foods to fill out is a myth.
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methyl ive tried it before and yes you can gain fat.
you can get away with a little more than you would be able to on a standard diet tho
btw, protein bumps up insulin quite a bit, especially animal protein.
If you tried it, would you consider it better for lean mass gain?
and overall can you sum pros/cons?
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LOL, do you need a scientific study for everything??
Any scientific studies on why a blowjob is better than a handjob?? ::) ::) ::)
Keto works, because of lower insulin level and restricted calories. Some people can get better along with eating no carbs, some people with eating less fat. Don't make it rocket science, fuck your studies.
LOL, you argue scientifically and then say "fuck your studies". Makes perfect sense.
I just asked for studies, that's all. The ones I know of (which take water loss into account) show no advantage.
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Keto diet, AND low carb diets are not good for me due to one overarching problem: they kill my energy in the gym. I also believe this is the case for most people.
On a high carb diet I am able to bust my ass in the gym and do cardio while still being in caloric deficit. I have done this for about 5 months straight, going from 20% to < 10% BF, while consistently increasing all my lifts. In contrast, on low-carb diets, i lose a lot of muscle and my lifts go down severely.
I think it´s easy to be fooled by keto and low carb diets, because you get so dry, it´s easy to think that the diet is more effective than it really is. I will never try keto or low carb diets again.
NN
ive went the keto route twice in preps, and you do get used to the lack of carbs... hard to begin with but you do get used to it in the end, ephidrene helps alot in the beginning too..
deadlifts for cardio sounds brutal tho!
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If you tried it, would you consider it better for lean mass gain?
and overall can you sum pros/cons?
really its an individual thing. most guys are going to do best on a balanced, cyclical diet. fat and protein needs remain pretty much constant whether bulking or gaining.. so carbohydrate reduction for fat loss makes the most sense.. but you dont need or want to cut them out completely.. yu want to make sure your metabolism nevers decreases and you want to make sure you are growing and reovering from your workouts.. some guys may be very sensitive to carbs, or maybe they just resond really really well to fats, and in those exceptions they may decide to keep carbs very low year round.. but thats not the rule, and that person could still eat carbs and get good results as long as they were in contolled amounts.
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When your blood sugar rises insulin is produced, when it gets too low glucagon is produced.
I understand human physiology rather well and stand behind my assertion.
Please show me how adipose tissue can be fed without insulin, I would love to see this.
So the question is, let's say your maintainance is 3000 calories and for a month, the only thing you eat is meat, fish and eggs but at 4000 calories a day.
You won't put on fat?
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So the question is, let's say your maintainance is 3000 calories and for a month, the only thing you eat is meat, fish and eggs but at 4000 calories a day.
You won't put on fat?
no you wont, not at 4,000 and not with only those foods.
but if it was all almonds, or all peanut butter, now that would be very different.
you cant get fat on protein, though it can slow down/inhibit fat loss.
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no you wont, not at 4,000 and not with only those foods.
but if it was all almonds, or all peanut butter, now that would be very different.
you cant get fat on protein, though it can slow down/inhibit fat loss.
You do realise this defies the laws of thermodynamics.
How much would you need? 5 or 6 thousand calories of meat and fish?
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really its an individual thing. most guys are going to do best on a balanced, cyclical diet. fat and protein needs remain pretty much constant whether bulking or gaining.. so carbohydrate reduction for fat loss makes the most sense.. but you dont need or want to cut them out completely.. yu want to make sure your metabolism nevers decreases and you want to make sure you are growing and reovering from your workouts.. some guys may be very sensitive to carbs, or maybe they just resond really really well to fats, and in those exceptions they may decide to keep carbs very low year round.. but thats not the rule, and that person could still eat carbs and get good results as long as they were in contolled amounts.
I recently just found an interesting thread about this subject
it's about one guy that tried both ( keto and carb cycle) and shares his experience
take a look:
http://forums.rxmuscle.com/showthread.php?t=32018
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Still no answer from our guru.....
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You do realise this defies the laws of thermodynamics.
How much would you need? 5 or 6 thousand calories of meat and fish?
no it doesnt.
meat is highly thermogenic and it is a very energy extensive process to break it down into useable energy since its amino acid form can not be utilized as it is and the resulting energy is very little. all in all you can not get fat on meat alone.
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no it doesnt.
meat is highly thermogenic and it is a very energy extensive process to break it down into useable energy since its amino acid form can not be utilized as it is and the resulting energy is very little. all in all you can not get fat on meat alone.
References? I'm interested.
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no it doesnt.
meat is highly thermogenic and it is a very energy extensive process to break it down into useable energy since its amino acid form can not be utilized as it is and the resulting energy is very little. all in all you can not get fat on meat alone.
And this is not broscience?
So if you eat 10,000 calories of meat every day for a month, you won't get fat?
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References? I'm interested.
lol dont worry there arent any.
:D
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References? I'm interested.
Common knowledge that protein is thermogenic. I also believe obese people have a much weaker thermic response to food in general which would explain why some people can not lose weight to save their lives.
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Common knowledge that protein is thermogenic. I also believe obese people have a much weaker thermic response to food in general which would explain why some people can not lose weight to save their lives.
Even if that's true to some extend, they can still lose weight using the same principles as everybody else = eat less until you lose.
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bump
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so whats the best ratio protein/carbs/fat when dieting?
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so whats the best ratio protein/carbs/fat when dieting?
Keto? High fat moderate protein low carb- shoot for incidental carbs.
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ancient thread, but good one.
how the hell does blp stay in ketosis with protein at 480 fucking grams?
is it the insulin?