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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: suckmymuscle on May 15, 2011, 06:10:29 AM
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I hate to agree with that GH15 character, but Bob Chick is the worst lying, worthless SOB ever. He actually claimed that those pros from the 1970s, who stepped onstage at 210 lbs, took just as much drugs as modern pros who step onstage weighting 280 lbs.
Exact same average height and bone size, and yet they gained those 70 lean pounds with nothing but better nutrition and less overtraining! Or maybe the modern pros just have a better genetic response to the drugs, which is curious that all modern pros would have a better genetic response than all pros from the 1970s. I mean, who can't argue that Jay Cutler, at 5'9 with average sized bones, has better genetics for size than Arnold who is almost 6'2 and is a big boned man?
Then, Chick tried to argue that the all those 70 extra pounds came from the addition of GH and insulin with no increase in the amount of steroids. Sure, just take 200 mg of Deca a week and you'll be 280 lbs ripped by just adding insulin and GH! Sorry to burst your bubble, Bob, but the anabolic effect of insulin and GH are synergistic with steroids. They have little anabolic effect on their own. All those elderly people who take GH for life enhancement might experience a little increase in muscle and decrease in fat, but they do not become ripped monsters at 280 lbs. The same goes for diabetics who take only insulin. Does their muscles increase at all? No. Bob Chick: lying scoundrel...
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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I hate to agree with that GH15 character, but Bob Chick is the worst lying, worthless SOB ever. He actually claimed that those pros from the 1970s, who stepped onstage at 210 lbs, took just as much drugs as modern pros who step onstage weighting 280 lbs. Exact same average height and bone size, and yet they gained those 70 lean pounds with nothing but better nutrition and less overtraining! Or maybe the modern pros just have a better genetic response to the drugs, which is curious that all modern pros would have a better genetic response than all pros from the 1970s. I mean, who can't argue that Jay Cutler, at 5'9 with average sized bones, has better genetics for size than Arnold who is almost 6'2 and is a big boned man? Then, Chick tried to argue that the all those 70 extra pounds came from the addition of GH and insulin with no increase in the amount of steroids. Sure, just take 200 mg of Deca a week and you'll be 280 lbs ripped by just adding insulin and GH! Sorry to burst your bubble, Bob, but the anabolic effect of insulin and GH are synergistic with steroids. They have little anabolic effect on their own. All those elderly people who take GH for life enhancement might experience a little increase in muscle and decrease in fat, but they do not become ripped monsters at 280 lbs. The same goes for diabetics who take only insulin. Does their muscles increase at all? No. Bob Chick: lying scoundrel...
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Starting a thread about someone because your feelings got hurt = MELTDOWN.
I hope this helps
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LOL. Meltdown.
Don't you have more important things to worry about, Mr. Delta Force Reserve Officer? (+ Four hedge-fund manager, 280 IQ, independently wealthy billionaire, etc. etc...)
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Bob Chick: A-list celebrity, Hollywood star, IFBB pro, industry spokesperson.
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Hope this helps ;)
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Why do you idiots get so mad. Of course he would say that, that's his job. We've all got to work.
Give Bob a break.
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"What have I done??", suckmymuscle was thinking, while his hands trembled so heavily that he spilled his 5000 weight gain shake......
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suckmemuscle, nobody here will take you seriously any longer due to your outrageous claims even if you do have a good point. You've pissed everyone off to the point they will no longer even read your long ass angry rants.
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:( he's thinking now...
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LMAO ;D
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What guys in the 70s are you refering to that weighed 210pds ? 210 @ 6% Is a big boy by the way - they didnt have stuff like gh (on tap like now) insulin , other peptides etc so that guy from the 70s that weighed 210 could weigh 30-50 pds more with those added... - steroid use prob still the same IMO , they were on lots back then to, its the added extra compounds that has put the larger amounts of mass on plus higher doses of AAS in some cases but for the most part i agree with chick
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What guys in the 70s are you refering to that weighed 210pds ? 210 @ 6% Is a big boy by the way - they didnt have stuff like gh (on tap like now) insulin , other peptides etc so that guy from the 70s that weighed 210 could weigh 30-50 pds more with those added... - steroid use prob still the same IMO , they were on lots back then to, its the added extra compounds that has put the larger amounts of mass on plus higher doses of AAS in some cases but for the most part i agree with chick
Naaaaaah....they just had a "Moral Compass" that prevented them from taking anything over Basile-like quantities.
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pretty sure they were taking similar amount of aas to today pros too! the 60lbs difference is because of the addition of gh+slin..whats so complicated about that, never tried gh myself, but one of my friend put on 40lbs since the addition of 6ius of gh, without changing his aas dosage...
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pretty sure they were taking similar amount of aas to today pros too! the 60lbs difference is because of the addition of gh+slin..whats so complicated about that, never tried gh myself, but one of my friend put on 40lbs since the addition of 6ius of gh, without changing his aas dosage...
Its NOT complicated...unless youre retarded enough to believe that the body has no "ceiling" when it comes to its ability to utilize AAS.
The pro's of yesteryear took everything under the sun....it's what the gear of the time, diet, knowledge, allowed.
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Naaaaaah....they just had a "Moral Compass" that prevented them from taking anything over Basile-like quantities.
hahahahhahahhahahahahaha hahah
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Bob Chick is a professional ball sling warrior.
Suckmymuscle is a liar, a cunnt, and a fucking punk.
End of story.
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Its NOT complicated...unless youre retarded enough to believe that the body has no "ceiling" when it comes to its ability to utilize AAS.
The pro's of yesteryear took everything under the sun....it's what the gear of the time, diet, knowledge, allowed.
Dosage has for sure increased. I guarantee zane and nubret weren't taking what Ronnie takes. Please.
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LMAO ;D
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That's not Mr. Nobody.
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Really? You'll "guarantee"...?
I'm sure Ronnie did take more....eventually. Look at his early pics, as a natural...looks like a guy with a pretty good head start to me.
Nubret and Zane are probably two of the worst examples, as they were both small boned and slight in the leg dept...
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What's it like to get up in the morning, log onto some forum, and see a thread titled "Your Name Is A Lying Sack Of Shit."
Keep up the good work Bob C!
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Suckmymuscle is one of the three smartest men on the planet. He solved a math problem that no MIT professor could. He knows everything about anything and if you don't believe him he'll break your dog's back before capping you from a mile away with a pistol. He learned that when he was a member of Delta.
Bob Chick? Hahahaha, a mere mortal to the God-King suckmymuscle.
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SMM getting owned again, LOL.
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What's it like to get up in the morning, log onto some forum, and see a thread titled "Your Name Is A Lying Sack Of Shit."
Keep up the good work Bob C!
Coming from a guy who goes by "Suckmymuscle"...it pretty much speaks for itself.
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Coming from a guy who goes by "Suckmymuscle"...it pretty much speaks for itself.
hahahhahahah ;D
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There are stories of old school guys taking a bottle of anavar a day.
Guys like Nubret would buy drugs by the briefcase. It was all legit and readily available...why wouldn't they?
They might not have been huge on testosterone, but it's pretty easy to believe they downed primo, dbol, deca, winstrol, and anavar like it was the elixer of the gods.
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There are stories of old school guys taking a bottle of anavar a day.
Guys like Nubret would buy drugs by the briefcase. It was all legit and readily available...why wouldn't they?
They might not have been huge on testosterone, but it's pretty easy to believe they downed primo, dbol, deca, winstrol, and anavar like it was the elixer of the gods.
Yep, everyone has heard the stories about Arnold shaking D-Bol into his hand, not even counting how many and downing them by the handful.
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Bob Chick: A-list celebrity, Hollywood star, IFBB pro, industry spokesperson.
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Hope this helps ;)
Well, answer this: If Bob Chick is all that, why he spends his time in getbig, arguing with snot nose teenagers and complete fucking idiots? Only answer to that is that he has some kind of need to prove himself to getbiggers, which automatically means that he is at least mentally ill, if not just plain mad. What he is doing in this silly kindergarten? Do he love when it rains shit on him? No, but here he can gain some respect from the guys who doesn't see through him, by lying his ass of. You see, it is quite easy to speak words of wisdom from the subject which you don't have any means to prove anything at all.
There isn't any reliable records about the matter, so why don't claim something interesting to these blockheads, that would be fun...
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Well, answer this: If Bob Chick is all that, why he spends his time in getbig, arguing with snot nose teenagers and complete fucking idiots? Only answer to that is that he has some kind of need to prove himself to getbiggers, which automatically means that he is at least mentally ill, if not just plain mad. What he is doing in this silly kindergarten? Do he love when it rains shit on him? No, but here he can gain some respect from the guys who doesn't see through him, by lying his ass of. You see, it is quite easy to speak words of wisdom from the subject which you don't have any means to prove anything at all.
There isn't any reliable records about the matter, so why don't claim something interesting to these blockheads, that would be fun...
I'll assume English is your second language...as it almost needs to be translated.
I answer these fools because :
1. It exposes them as the morons they are...
2. It educates the other people as to using simple logic and common sense...
My "words of wisdom" are from being in this business for over 30 years now...I was training with the pros of yesteryear back when you were still filling your pants and watching NKOTB...I think I'm more than qualified to speak from experience
And just what does YOUR extensive experience consist of...?
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When Chick came on and denied his frolicking with men of questionable sexual orientation back in the early 90s in a certain illusion hotel, we then knew he was a liar protecting his own skin, too many reputable people came forward and confirmed Chicks dick rubbing early days.
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When Chick came on and denied his frolicking with men of questionable sexual orientation back in the early 90s in a certain illusion hotel, we then knew he was a liar protecting his own skin, too many reputable people came forward and confirmed Chicks dick rubbing early days.
Whatever your fantasies desire...have at it
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The old bodybuilders took dball by the handfuls. As did the old baseball and football players.
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There are stories of old school guys taking a bottle of anavar a day.
Guys like Nubret would buy drugs by the briefcase. It was all legit and readily available...why wouldn't they?
They might not have been huge on testosterone, but it's pretty easy to believe they downed primo, dbol, deca, winstrol, and anavar like it was the elixer of the gods.
In "The Governator" book by Ian Halperin it says that Arnold took dosages that the other BB broke out in a cold sweat watching him.
Arnold himself stated "We would have eaten dog poo back then if it would make your muscles grow". Go figure! ::)
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Suckmymuscle totally twisted what he said. Chick just said they were taking the max they could just like they do now. However todays max has totally new hormones. Suck my muscle always argues with the most knowledgeable people on here and claims he knows better. Fucking idiot of mass proportions.
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Every generation took whatever they could get their hands on.
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Its NOT complicated...unless youre retarded enough to believe that the body has no "ceiling" when it comes to its ability to utilize AAS.
The pro's of yesteryear took everything under the sun....it's what the gear of the time, diet, knowledge, allowed.
QFT
People have always wanted to gain the greatest advantages possible in exploring the limits of what they could do. The fact that the science is better today doesn't mean that people 30-40 years ago weren't doing everything possible to grow or get ripped.
Human nature is much the same as it always was.
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I hate to agree with that GH15 character, but Bob Chick is the worst lying, worthless SOB ever. He actually claimed that those pros from the 1970s, who stepped onstage at 210 lbs, took just as much drugs as modern pros who step onstage weighting 280 lbs. Exact same average height and bone size, and yet they gained those 70 lean pounds with nothing but better nutrition and less overtraining! Or maybe the modern pros just have a better genetic response to the drugs, which is curious that all modern pros would have a better genetic response than all pros from the 1970s. I mean, who can't argue that Jay Cutler, at 5'9 with average sized bones, has better genetics for size than Arnold who is almost 6'2 and is a big boned man? Then, Chick tried to argue that the all those 70 extra pounds came from the addition of GH and insulin with no increase in the amount of steroids. Sure, just take 200 mg of Deca a week and you'll be 280 lbs ripped by just adding insulin and GH! Sorry to burst your bubble, Bob, but the anabolic effect of insulin and GH are synergistic with steroids. They have little anabolic effect on their own. All those elderly people who take GH for life enhancement might experience a little increase in muscle and decrease in fat, but they do not become ripped monsters at 280 lbs. The same goes for diabetics who take only insulin. Does their muscles increase at all? No. Bob Chick: lying scoundrel...
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Dude, clearly they took as much as they could back then too. Drugs are better now. Hope this helps.
You melted down pretty bad over nothing.
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...STFU and talk respectfully to me, a senior member of the board who has been here for much longer than you and is simply far more important than your dumbass.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
....I AM TIRED OF YOU POLLUTING MY BOARD WITH YOUR GARBAGE....
....STOP POLLUTING MY BOARD WITH YOUR PATHETIC ESSAYS ON DRUG USE. SUCKMYMUSCLE
on a scale of 1 to 10, how badly did this thread backfire in your face?
you know, like for someone that claims getbig is his board and demands respect for being a senior member?
lol, the guy semi put himself into the list with vince goodrums and the rest over the past few days....he cemented it with this thread. lol
most DISRESPECTED member on getbig! LOL!
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hahahhahaha suckmygaymuscle has to be the world's biggest tool.
Poor little bitch boy got owned by Chick in another thread and now he's crying.
Either he's turned into a gimmick or he's really that delusional and takes this board seriously.
Both are pretty pathetic, showing he's got a terrible loser existence.
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"Ball sling warrior" LOL that is funny but here is some reality for ya.
Bob Chick is a Mr USA, IFBB pro and makes his living from bodybuilding.
Guys like GH15 are internet "legends in their own minds" that only exist in cyber space.
qft
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were is natural wonder when we need him, bobby chiccy boom boom has lied his pants on fire, its his usual though so this is normal
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someone is butthurt
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Suckmymuscle has been offline since he started this thread... ;D ;D
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whatever anyone wants to say about those times, i think its human nature to go with "more is better" whatever "era" it may be. The few guys I do know that were involved in the scene back then have all told me the same thing to: everyone took just about as much of whatever they could get their hands on.
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a much needed thread whose time is long long over due.
not a day goes by where the bodybuilding industry doesnt have to deal with some kind of screw up and blunder directly linked to bobby's stupidity.
his once youthful body is now ravaged by father time-and its quite sad that instead of realizing his glory days are over forever, he continues to try and fit in with the younger more well known and popular meatheads.
his lies, bad attitute,and his questionable past all are strong parts of the tornado of failure that bob subjects other people to be caught in just because he knows them.
Im willling to bet he doesnt even have a parking space at bsn headquarters.
his only accomplishments as far as i know are walking on a rickity old treadmill and getting out of breath, stepping in dog poop, not knowing how to speak into the microphone correctly during a voice over session, sitting down to watch pj braun squat,susposedly hosting arm pit sniffing sessions, and angering lou ferrigno because he was so out of shape when he played him in that dumb movie.
just leave us alone bobby chciky boom boom and stop yelling at people on this forum.
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a much needed thread whose time is long long over due.
not a day goes by where the bodybuilding industry doesnt have to deal with some kind of screw up and blunder directly linked to bobby's stupidity.
his once youthful body is now ravaged by father time-and its quite sad that instead of realizing his glory days are over forever, he continues to try and fit in with the younger more well known and popular meatheads.
his lies, bad attitute,and his questionable past all are strong parts of the tornado of failure that bob subjects other people to be caught in just because he knows them.
Im willling to bet he doesnt even have a parking space at bsn headquarters.
his only accomplishments as far as i know are walking on a rickity old treadmill and getting out of breath, stepping in dog poop, not knowing how to speak into the microphone correctly during a voice over session, sitting down to watch pj braun squat,susposedly hosting arm pit sniffing sessions, and angering lou ferrigno because he was so out of shape when he played him in that dumb movie.
just leave us alone bobby chciky boom boom and stop yelling at people on this forum.
OWNED!!!!!
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a much needed thread whose time is long long over due.
not a day goes by where the bodybuilding industry doesnt have to deal with some kind of screw up and blunder directly linked to bobby's stupidity.
his once youthful body is now ravaged by father time-and its quite sad that instead of realizing his glory days are over forever, he continues to try and fit in with the younger more well known and popular meatheads.
his lies, bad attitute,and his questionable past all are strong parts of the tornado of failure that bob subjects other people to be caught in just because he knows them.
Im willling to bet he doesnt even have a parking space at bsn headquarters.
his only accomplishments as far as i know are walking on a rickity old treadmill and getting out of breath, stepping in dog poop, not knowing how to speak into the microphone correctly during a voice over session, sitting down to watch pj braun squat,susposedly hosting arm pit sniffing sessions, and angering lou ferrigno because he was so out of shape when he played him in that dumb movie.
just leave us alone bobby chciky boom boom and stop yelling at people on this forum.
Yeah, Bob never did a thing in BB. ::) Just think how much bigger a succes he would have been had he spent more time gaining the respect of the getbig bunch. epic.
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Bob Chick: A-list celebrity, Hollywood star, IFBB pro, industry spokesperson.
;D. way to rub it in, affeman.
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Bob please address your arm pit sniffing sessions, as host. This is breaking news Natural just let out!!! Do you have a parking spot at BSN reserved or do you have to find a space in the big parking lot crowded with the rest of the employees?
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I hate to agree with that GH15 character, but Bob Chick is the worst lying, worthless SOB ever. He actually claimed that those pros from the 1970s, who stepped onstage at 210 lbs, took just as much drugs as modern pros who step onstage weighting 280 lbs. Exact same average height and bone size, and yet they gained those 70 lean pounds with nothing but better nutrition and less overtraining! Or maybe the modern pros just have a better genetic response to the drugs, which is curious that all modern pros would have a better genetic response than all pros from the 1970s. I mean, who can't argue that Jay Cutler, at 5'9 with average sized bones, has better genetics for size than Arnold who is almost 6'2 and is a big boned man? Then, Chick tried to argue that the all those 70 extra pounds came from the addition of GH and insulin with no increase in the amount of steroids. Sure, just take 200 mg of Deca a week and you'll be 280 lbs ripped by just adding insulin and GH! Sorry to burst your bubble, Bob, but the anabolic effect of insulin and GH are synergistic with steroids. They have little anabolic effect on their own. All those elderly people who take GH for life enhancement might experience a little increase in muscle and decrease in fat, but they do not become ripped monsters at 280 lbs. The same goes for diabetics who take only insulin. Does their muscles increase at all? No. Bob Chick: lying scoundrel...
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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God damn, you gotta give Bob credit for still posting on here with all the bullshit he has to put up with!
Bobs a cool guy and has accomplished much more in bodybuilding than all of us, some of you need to give credit where credit is due and stop being so damn bitter all the time!
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Naaaaaah....they just had a "Moral Compass" that prevented them from taking anything over Basile-like quantities.
Not a moral compass, but what they considered safe and effective by the standards of that day. The philosophy was that steroids were a compliment to training, and not that drugs did most of the job like today. If the bodybuilders of the 1970s took as much as modern pros, then answer me the following questions: Why there has seldom if ever been a case of the old timers having liver and kidney damage, whilst there are so many modern pros with damaged kidneys and liver? Why do all bodybuilding writers and bodybuilders themselves say that modern pros take much more than the 1970s pros took? Why do several modern pros like Munzer and Benazia died due to complication from drug use, but I've never heard of any old timers die from damage caused by steroids. The biggest piece of evidence that they took less, though, besides the much lower incidence of side effects that they experienced compared to modern pros, is the fact that they were much smaller. I am sorry, but neither insulin nor GH are anabolic enough to cause a gain of over 50 lean pounds without a concomitant increase in sterroid dose.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Its NOT complicated...unless youre retarded enough to believe that the body has no "ceiling" when it comes to its ability to utilize AAS.
The pro's of yesteryear took everything under the sun....it's what the gear of the time, diet, knowledge, allowed.
So basically, the pros went from competition weight of 210 lbs to 280 lbs by just adding insulin and GH with no concomitant increase in steroid dose? Bull...fucking...shit. Let's see...my 86 year-old grandfather takes GH 3 times a week to combat lethargy and poor muscle tone, and even though he has more defined muscles than what his age would otherwise allow, he has gained very little weight since then. I know women who use GH for fat loss and they hardly become Kim Chizevsky from it. I have a cousin who injects insulin every day, several times a day, workouts and he has less muscle than what a normal dude his age has. Neither GH nor insulin have
Now, if you argue that GH and insulin potentiate the effects of steroids, first of all there is no evidence of that besides anecdotal. Also, even if true, it cannot explain up to 70 lean pounds. It is too much. Common sense tells me this is bullshit. And it can only be insulin and GH, because all the steroids we have today have been available in the market since the 1960s with only the name of the brand name changing. And IGF-1 is too expensive(hundreds of Dollars per dose) for even pros with endorsement contracts to be using. Here are the reasons why I believe it is certain that modern bodybuilders take more steroids than old timers:
1. Several modern pros have experienced liver and kidney damage which is typical of steroid(Tom Prince, Don Long, Flex Wheeler, Matarazzo) and not insulin or GH use, whilst I am not aware of any pros from the 1970s that experienced damaged liver and kidneys - there might be, but they are certainly much less than modern pros. One modern pro even died(Munzer) This tells me that the doses of steroids have increased since otherwise the incidence of kidney and liver problems in modern bodybuilders would be as low as that of pros from the 1960s and 1970s and we wouldn't have a pro actually dying from it like Munzer did - and no, he didn't die due to diuretics. It was primarilly heart and liver failure from steroids.
2. Several very successful bodybuilders who competed in the 1980s and were still young in the 1990s retired because they claimed the dosages that needed to be taken to remain competitive were getting ridiculous and they didn't want to jeopardize their health such Shawn Ray, Francis Benfatto.
3. Several bodybuilding insiders who have been coaching bodybuilders for decades state that the doses today are much higher than in the past. Charles Glass, who has been training bodybuilders for over 20 years, flat out said in MuscleMag that the amounts taken by modern pros are nightmarish compared to what they took when he was a youth starting to help pros prepare for contests.
4. Finally, the size increase. Try to explain it away by the introduction of insulin and GH, but it cannot explain the 60-90 pounds of lean muscle that pros have gained over the last 25 years. Neither insulin or GH are anabolic enough to explain that. It has be have been a massive increase in steroid doses. If insulin and GH can potentiate steroids to this degree, I want to see hardcore evidence for it. I am willing to retract and admit that I was wrong if anyone can prove to me that just adding GH and insulin to stroids can cause an increase in mass of up to 90 lbs without an increase in steroid dose. I know several people who take GH and insulin on their own and neither these compounds are very anabolic. They may synergistically increase the anabolic effect of steroids, but I don't think based on how anabolic they are by themselves that they can cause these ginormous mass increases without increasing the doses of steroids as well.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Suckmymuscle has been offline since he started this thread... ;D ;D
Yeah, because just like you I had nothing better to do on a Saturday night than argue with a guido on an internet message board all night long.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Yeah, because just like you I had nothing better to do on a Saturday night than argue with a guido on an internet message board all night long.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Actually having "things to do" on saturday is gay :-\
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Maybe some of this size difference nowdays could be due to the fact that the pros switched from training their legs hard and heavy twice a week (which was the norm in the 70s and 80s) to just once a week (which became the norm in the 90s until now). Just saying...
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Actually having "things to do" on saturday is gay :-\
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Chick is watching you.
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Not a moral compass, but what they considered safe and effective by the standards of that day. The philosophy was that steroids were a compliment to training, and not that drugs did most of the job like today. If the bodybuilders of the 1970s took as much as modern pros, then answer me the following questions: Why there has seldom if ever been a case of the old timers having liver and kidney damage, whilst there are so many modern pros with damaged kidneys and liver? Why do all bodybuilding writers and bodybuilders themselves say that modern pros take much more than the 1970s pros took? Why do several modern pros like Munzer and Benazia died due to complication from drug use, but I've never heard of any old timers die from damage caused by steroids. The biggest piece of evidence that they took less, though, besides the much lower incidence of side effects that they experienced compared to modern pros, is the fact that they were much smaller. I am sorry, but neither insulin nor GH are anabolic enough to cause a gain of over 50 lean pounds without a concomitant increase in sterroid dose.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
GREAT post!
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Bob is a real pro bodybuilder with an extensive resume in BB and shows like American Gladiators, etc.
While it is fine to disagree with him, you should give the man some respect for his standing in the sport.
Most will just sit behind their cpu and lack the basic integrity to post under their real name.
It is pretty lame to hurl insults sitting hidden in the weeds.
What extensive resume? If you mean an extensive resume of failures, then I agree with you:
- Failed as a pro bodybuilder - never placed well at the really top shows.
- Failed as an I.F.B.B representative. Even Shawna was better than him.
- Failed as a Hollywood star - more people know who Dolph Lundgren is than Chick, and he hasn't made a film in 15 years.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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What extensive resume? If you mean an extensive resume of failures, then I agree with you:
- Failed as a pro bodybuilder - never placed well at the really top shows.
- Failed as an I.F.B.B representative. Even Shawna was better than him.
- Failed as a Hollywood star - more people know who Dolph Lundgren is than Chick, and he hasn't made a film in 15 years.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Yeah, poor Bob never won a show and never got adime from bodybuilding, supplement company and acting industries ::)
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What extensive resume? If you mean an extensive resume of failures, then I agree with you:
- Failed as a pro bodybuilder - never placed well at the really top shows.
- Failed as an I.F.B.B representative. Even Shawna was better than him.
- Failed as a Hollywood star - more people know who Dolph Lundgren is than Chick, and he hasn't made a film in 15 years.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Yeah, poor Bob never won a show and never got adime from bodybuilding, supplement company and acting industries ::)
Mr.Olympia he is not. Tom Cruise he is not. And being hired by a supplement company is not like having your own brand of Nike tennis shoes.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Even Gerard Depardieu is better known than Chick...in the U.S.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Even Gerard Depardieu is better known than Chick...in the U.S.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
I don't like Chick very much, but come on, give the guy a break.
He's a bodybuilder that had 2 or 3 20 second roles in some shitty movies, can't compare that to the biggest french actor.
Guy's an asshole and lying most of the time, but his statements about the oldtimers is spot on imo.
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Chick is watching you.
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Are you sure he's not just watching himself???
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STAY POSITIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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God damn, you gotta give Bob credit for still posting on here with all the bullshit he has to put up with!
Bobs a cool guy and has accomplished much more in bodybuilding than all of us, some of you need to give credit where credit is due and stop being so damn bitter all the time!
Exactly - one of the few guys who can realistically make a living from bodybuilding without needing to have won the Mr Olympia - and he still comes on here and takes all the shit from the usual clowns.
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Exactly - one of the few guys who can realistically make a living from bodybuilding without needing to have won the Mr Olympia - and he still comes on here and takes all the shit from the usual clowns.
AGREED! Bob is a good, stand-up guy AND from ROCK CITY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
STAY POSITIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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So basically, the pros went from competition weight of 210 lbs to 280 lbs by just adding insulin and GH with no concomitant increase in steroid dose? Bull...fucking...shit. Let's see...my 86 year-old grandfather takes GH 3 times a week to combat lethargy and poor muscle tone, and even though he has more defined muscles than what his age would otherwise allow, he has gained very little weight since then. I know women who use GH for fat loss and they hardly become Kim Chizevsky from it. I have a cousin who injects insulin every day, several times a day, workouts and he has less muscle than what a normal dude his age has. Neither GH nor insulin have
Now, if you argue that GH and insulin potentiate the effects of steroids, first of all there is no evidence of that besides anecdotal. Also, even if true, it cannot explain up to 70 lean pounds. It is too much. Common sense tells me this is bullshit. And it can only be insulin and GH, because all the steroids we have today have been available in the market since the 1960s with only the name of the brand name changing. And IGF-1 is too expensive(hundreds of Dollars per dose) for even pros with endorsement contracts to be using. Here are the reasons why I believe it is certain that modern bodybuilders take more steroids than old timers:
1. Several modern pros have experienced liver and kidney damage which is typical of steroid(Tom Prince, Don Long, Flex Wheeler, Matarazzo) and not insulin or GH use, whilst I am not aware of any pros from the 1970s that experienced damaged liver and kidneys - there might be, but they are certainly much less than modern pros. One modern pro even died(Munzer) This tells me that the doses of steroids have increased since otherwise the incidence of kidney and liver problems in modern bodybuilders would be as low as that of pros from the 1960s and 1970s and we wouldn't have a pro actually dying from it like Munzer did - and no, he didn't die due to diuretics. It was primarilly heart and liver failure from steroids.
2. Several very successful bodybuilders who competed in the 1980s and were still young in the 1990s retired because they claimed the dosages that needed to be taken to remain competitive were getting ridiculous and they didn't want to jeopardize their health such Shawn Ray, Francis Benfatto.
3. Several bodybuilding insiders who have been coaching bodybuilders for decades state that the doses today are much higher than in the past. Charles Glass, who has been training bodybuilders for over 20 years, flat out said in MuscleMag that the amounts taken by modern pros are nightmarish compared to what they took when he was a youth starting to help pros prepare for contests.
4. Finally, the size increase. Try to explain it away by the introduction of insulin and GH, but it cannot explain the 60-90 pounds of lean muscle that pros have gained over the last 25 years. Neither insulin or GH are anabolic enough to explain that. It has be have been a massive increase in steroid doses. If insulin and GH can potentiate steroids to this degree, I want to see hardcore evidence for it. I am willing to retract and admit that I was wrong if anyone can prove to me that just adding GH and insulin to stroids can cause an increase in mass of up to 90 lbs without an increase in steroid dose. I know several people who take GH and insulin on their own and neither these compounds are very anabolic. They may synergistically increase the anabolic effect of steroids, but I don't think based on how anabolic they are by themselves that they can cause these ginormous mass increases without increasing the doses of steroids as well.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
He wasn't a body builder, but Lyle Alzado did so many injectables that he had to have surgery to remove cyst from his arse. He later died from a brain tumor in which he blamed from steroid use, but I am not sure was ever actually ever proven. I think the size difference isn't wheter or not the pros are abusing more, is that the physiology of muscle content and the bodies need for growth is better understood today. And lets not forget how oil has been a new mix for some of our currrent mass monsters.
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a much needed thread whose time is long long over due.
not a day goes by where the bodybuilding industry doesnt have to deal with some kind of screw up and blunder directly linked to bobby's stupidity.
his once youthful body is now ravaged by father time-and its quite sad that instead of realizing his glory days are over forever, he continues to try and fit in with the younger more well known and popular meatheads.
his lies, bad attitute,and his questionable past all are strong parts of the tornado of failure that bob subjects other people to be caught in just because he knows them.
Im willling to bet he doesnt even have a parking space at bsn headquarters.
his only accomplishments as far as i know are walking on a rickity old treadmill and getting out of breath, stepping in dog poop, not knowing how to speak into the microphone correctly during a voice over session, sitting down to watch pj braun squat,susposedly hosting arm pit sniffing sessions, and angering lou ferrigno because he was so out of shape when he played him in that dumb movie.
just leave us alone bobby chciky boom boom and stop yelling at people on this forum.
Are you suggesting that when Bob heads to BSN for work, they don't have anything for him to do except grab the outgoing mail and sweep the floors? And at lunch time, he heads out to his car (parked on the street two blocks away) and grabs a Bob-bowl from the cooler in his trunk and eats it while sitting on the curb?
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I love Gene's battles with Bob.
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You know when your life sucks when you worry so much about a person on an internet forum, who you'll never meet, and who has no impact on your real life what so ever.
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What extensive resume? If you mean an extensive resume of failures, then I agree with you:
- Failed as a pro bodybuilder - never placed well at the really top shows.
- Failed as an I.F.B.B representative. Even Shawna was better than him.
- Failed as a Hollywood star - more people know who Dolph Lundgren is than Chick, and he hasn't made a film in 15 years.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
lol, says the guy posting on gb all day long, waiting his father death to take his money, pathetic
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So basically, the pros went from competition weight of 210 lbs to 280 lbs by just adding insulin and GH with no concomitant increase in steroid dose? Bull...fucking...shit. Let's see...my 86 year-old grandfather takes GH 3 times a week to combat lethargy and poor muscle tone, and even though he has more defined muscles than what his age would otherwise allow, he has gained very little weight since then. I know women who use GH for fat loss and they hardly become Kim Chizevsky from it. I have a cousin who injects insulin every day, several times a day, workouts and he has less muscle than what a normal dude his age has. Neither GH nor insulin have
Now, if you argue that GH and insulin potentiate the effects of steroids, first of all there is no evidence of that besides anecdotal. Also, even if true, it cannot explain up to 70 lean pounds. It is too much. Common sense tells me this is bullshit. And it can only be insulin and GH, because all the steroids we have today have been available in the market since the 1960s with only the name of the brand name changing. And IGF-1 is too expensive(hundreds of Dollars per dose) for even pros with endorsement contracts to be using. Here are the reasons why I believe it is certain that modern bodybuilders take more steroids than old timers:
1. Several modern pros have experienced liver and kidney damage which is typical of steroid(Tom Prince, Don Long, Flex Wheeler, Matarazzo) and not insulin or GH use, whilst I am not aware of any pros from the 1970s that experienced damaged liver and kidneys - there might be, but they are certainly much less than modern pros. One modern pro even died(Munzer) This tells me that the doses of steroids have increased since otherwise the incidence of kidney and liver problems in modern bodybuilders would be as low as that of pros from the 1960s and 1970s and we wouldn't have a pro actually dying from it like Munzer did - and no, he didn't die due to diuretics. It was primarilly heart and liver failure from steroids.
2. Several very successful bodybuilders who competed in the 1980s and were still young in the 1990s retired because they claimed the dosages that needed to be taken to remain competitive were getting ridiculous and they didn't want to jeopardize their health such Shawn Ray, Francis Benfatto.
3. Several bodybuilding insiders who have been coaching bodybuilders for decades state that the doses today are much higher than in the past. Charles Glass, who has been training bodybuilders for over 20 years, flat out said in MuscleMag that the amounts taken by modern pros are nightmarish compared to what they took when he was a youth starting to help pros prepare for contests.
4. Finally, the size increase. Try to explain it away by the introduction of insulin and GH, but it cannot explain the 60-90 pounds of lean muscle that pros have gained over the last 25 years. Neither insulin or GH are anabolic enough to explain that. It has be have been a massive increase in steroid doses. If insulin and GH can potentiate steroids to this degree, I want to see hardcore evidence for it. I am willing to retract and admit that I was wrong if anyone can prove to me that just adding GH and insulin to stroids can cause an increase in mass of up to 90 lbs without an increase in steroid dose. I know several people who take GH and insulin on their own and neither these compounds are very anabolic. They may synergistically increase the anabolic effect of steroids, but I don't think based on how anabolic they are by themselves that they can cause these ginormous mass increases without increasing the doses of steroids as well.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
well,
all the stuff we have tody was there back then as well.
exept hgh and the slin we have today.
only thing that changed, is hgh megadosing together with slin.
and..... alot more test! because of hgh you can use more of it.
other anabolics will be about the same.
Oh livers and kidney's will be fine on steroids, just make sure your bp is ok!
problems in that area are due to diuretics and (rec) drugs.
Munzer died because he supressed his estrogen tooo long en to much with cytadren.
That got him sick, also using epo did not help him in his final moments.
guys from the 70 and 80's were using a lot!
steroids were cheap, readily available and not illegal.
if you were a bb ate that time and saw your buddy take 1000mg of steroids a week, what would yu be doing to get an edge?
that's right.... same as they did.. up the dose!
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Not a moral compass, but what they considered safe and effective by the standards of that day. The philosophy was that steroids were a compliment to training, and not that drugs did most of the job like today. If the bodybuilders of the 1970s took as much as modern pros, then answer me the following questions: Why there has seldom if ever been a case of the old timers having liver and kidney damage, whilst there are so many modern pros with damaged kidneys and liver? Why do all bodybuilding writers and bodybuilders themselves say that modern pros take much more than the 1970s pros took? Why do several modern pros like Munzer and Benazia died due to complication from drug use, but I've never heard of any old timers die from damage caused by steroids. The biggest piece of evidence that they took less, though, besides the much lower incidence of side effects that they experienced compared to modern pros, is the fact that they were much smaller. I am sorry, but neither insulin nor GH are anabolic enough to cause a gain of over 50 lean pounds without a concomitant increase in sterroid dose.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Yep...yep...yep...
Heres a nice little piece for you....old timers talking openly about the "good ol days".
Naive fool....
http://www.steroidology.com/forum/anabolic-steroid-forum/18164-old-time-bodybuilders.html
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How old is Bill Pearl these days?
I heard he has a new book or two coming out....
Oops. Did I just hijack? I prolly couldn't afford his books anyway. I already have every Bible he's ever written. They are bigger than Arnie's
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I think you have to seperate it out by decades. I highly doubt Larry Scott and Bill Pearl juiced to the level of Jay or Kai. The difference between say Rich Gaspari or Mike Christian and Jay or Kai is probably smaller. Not picking on anyone in particular here- just using examples to make a point.
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I always thought most of the greats from the past were weighlifters first and steroid users second, unlike the complete opposite like pros today. Drug addicts of all sorts transition very well into the bodybuilding world these days.
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Suckmymuscle is one of the three smartest men on the planet. He solved a math problem that no MIT professor could. He knows everything about anything and if you don't believe him he'll break your dog's back before capping you from a mile away with a pistol. He learned that when he was a member of Delta.
Bob Chick? Hahahaha, a mere mortal to the God-King suckmymuscle.
Did you know suckermuscle can break your german shepherd's back with his bare hands and that he solve a major math problem?
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I think you have to seperate it out by decades. I highly doubt Larry Scott and Bill Pearl juiced to the level of Jay or Kai. The difference between say Rich Gaspari or Mike Christian and Jay or Kai is probably smaller. Not picking on anyone in particular here- just using examples to make a point.
guys of that era COULDN'T use to the level of today's pros for the simple fact that most of the gear wasn't around yet....the point of the thread is that they pushed the envelope and did as much ( relatively)
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Are you suggesting that when Bob heads to BSN for work, they don't have anything for him to do except grab the outgoing mail and sweep the floors? And at lunch time, he heads out to his car (parked on the street two blocks away) and grabs a Bob-bowl from the cooler in his trunk and eats it while sitting on the curb?
LOL I can't believe how hard Natural owned him! That is the biggest owning in a while on here, bob is still mute, I don't blame him
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No way did Bill Pearl and Larry Scott use the same amount of test that these guys use today. Mainly for 2 reasons 1 they were scared to take that much and 2 they are still alive.
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No way did Bill Pearl and Larry Scott use the same amount of test that these guys use today. Mainly for 2 reasons 1 they were scared to take that much and 2 they are still alive.
why would they be scared, they didn't even know it was dangerous yet
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why would they be scared, they didn't even know it was dangerous yet
same reason you would be scared to down a whole bottle of tylenol, because it just doesn't seem right or in your best interest.
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why would they be scared, they didn't even know it was dangerous yet
Because it was new to them and it was a medicine. Thats like if you first got a hold of a bottle of Advil and it just came out would u start by taking the whole bottle. I just don't see them 2 guys shooting themselves up everyday like these pros. Do u think they would be as healthy as they are now. Lets wait and see how Jay and Ronnie is doing in 40 years from now.
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same reason you would be scared to down a whole bottle of tylenol, because it just doesn't seem right or in your best interest.
Totally wrong, people where abusing the shit out of cocaine, Heroin and MDMA when they were legal, hell at one point DNP was marketed as a fatburning supplement.
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Because it was new to them and it was a medicine. Thats like if you first got a hold of a bottle of Advil and it just came out would u start by taking the whole bottle. I just don't see them 2 guys shooting themselves up everyday like these pros. Do u think they would be as healthy as they are now. Lets wait and see how Jay and Ronnie is doing in 40 years from now.
Not on the first day, obviously.
But we all know someone who takes way more than the usual dose of aspirine or other painkillers or whatever other prescription drugs.
Now you start with a low dose, but once you stall you adjust, and when you find out there aren't any visible bad side effects, maybe some hair loss, maybe some acne, you adjust more.
I'd say it will take 6 months to a year until you have overridden your fears of "overdosing", especially at that time where people were much more careless.
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lol at the "expert" who started this thread. A 150lb twink who looks to have never touched a weight in his life
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I agree with thread starter that today's
Body Builders faggy clowns use tons more gear than classic pros..
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Oh look another thread about gear use on getbig where Chick tries to talk sense into a handful of retards LOL
FAIL
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Not on the first day, obviously.
But we all know someone who takes way more than the usual dose of aspirine or other painkillers or whatever other prescription drugs.
Now you start with a low dose, but once you stall you adjust, and when you find out there aren't any visible bad side effects, maybe some hair loss, maybe some acne, you adjust more.
I'd say it will take 6 months to a year until you have overridden your fears of "overdosing", especially at that time where people were much more careless.
Ok but it still don't answer the question why is Bill and Larry still alive and healthy. I quess we will have to wait the 40 years out to prove to some of you how healthy Jay and Ronnie are ::)
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I think a large part of the equation as to why current guys are getting so sick and having all these problems is the underground shit that comes from some guy's bathtub contaminated with heavy metals and who knows what else, as opposed to clean 100% pharma grade stuff that was rampant in the 70's and 80's. For example there is no way you can compare current day tren made from cow pellets to the original Parabolan from France and so on, everything these days is made in unsterile environments, underdosed and generally shit quality, unless you go to a doctor and get legit scripts for clean pharma gear.
Also, guys at much lower competition stages are taking 3x more then top pro's used to 20 years ago, guys doing level 1 and 2 shows are on 3 grams of test a week + 10iu's of gh and 30-40 iu's of insulin a day...that's for a LEVEL 1 or 2 show, nevermind top NPC guys.
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if there ever was a breaking point between excessive use,dose,and extreme conditioning it would have been when first benaziza died and then few yrs later munzer,,porter cotrell and steve brisbois were there with benaziza and watched him pass away,only brisbois called it a day,cotrell went on even past munzers death and everyone else too and they did the same stuff and thensome.it didn't happen to them so be it keep going.
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I think a large part of the equation as to why current guys are getting so sick and having all these problems is the underground shit that comes from some guy's bathtub contaminated with heavy metals and who knows what else, as opposed to clean 100% pharma grade stuff that was rampant in the 70's and 80's. For example there is no way you can compare current day tren made from cow pellets to the original Parabolan from France and so on, everything these days is made in unsterile environments, underdosed and generally shit quality, unless you go to a doctor and get legit scripts for clean pharma gear.
Also, guys at much lower competition stages are taking 3x more then top pro's used to 20 years ago, guys doing level 1 and 2 shows are on 3 grams of test a week + 10iu's of gh and 30-40 iu's of insulin a day...that's for a LEVEL 1 or 2 show, nevermind top NPC guys.
are you trying to tell me that putting my pellets in my lube stained porn drawer until they dissolve in the magic solution is, unsterile?