Bob Chick - modern pros vs classic pros - bullshit on gear

[Chick]

 Not a moral compass, but what they considered safe and effective by the standards of that day. The philosophy was that steroids were a compliment to training, and not that drugs did most of the job like today. If the bodybuilders of the 1970s took as much as modern pros, then answer me the following questions: Why there has seldom if ever been a case of the old timers having liver and kidney damage, whilst there are so many modern pros with damaged kidneys and liver? Why do all bodybuilding writers and bodybuilders themselves say that modern pros take much more than the 1970s pros took? Why do several modern pros like Munzer and Benazia died due to complication from drug use, but I've never heard of any old timers die from damage caused by steroids. The biggest piece of evidence that they took less, though, besides the much lower incidence of side effects that they experienced compared to modern pros, is the fact that they were much smaller. I am sorry, but neither insulin nor GH are anabolic enough to cause a gain of over 50 lean pounds without a concomitant increase in sterroid dose.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

Yep...yep...yep...

Heres a nice little piece for you....old timers talking openly about the "good ol days".

Naive fool....


http://www.steroidology.com/forum/anabolic-steroid-forum/18164-old-time-bodybuilders.html

[dyslexic]

How old is Bill Pearl these days?

I heard he has a new book or two coming out....


Oops. Did I just hijack? I prolly couldn't afford his books anyway. I already have every Bible he's ever written. They are bigger than Arnie's

[Viking11]

I think you have to seperate it out by decades.  I highly doubt Larry Scott and Bill Pearl juiced to the level of Jay or Kai.  The difference between say Rich Gaspari or Mike Christian and Jay or Kai is probably smaller.  Not picking on anyone in particular here- just using examples to make a point.

[BILL ANVIL]

I always thought  most of the greats from the past were weighlifters first and steroid users second, unlike the complete opposite like pros today. Drug addicts of all sorts transition very well into the bodybuilding world these days.

[EL Mariachi]

Suckmymuscle is one of the three smartest men on the planet. He solved a math problem that no MIT professor could. He knows everything about anything and if you don't believe him he'll break your dog's back before capping you from a mile away with a pistol. He learned that when he was a member of Delta.   

Bob Chick? Hahahaha, a mere mortal to the God-King suckmymuscle.

Did you know suckermuscle can break your german shepherd's back with his bare hands and that he solve a major math problem?

[Chick]

I think you have to seperate it out by decades.  I highly doubt Larry Scott and Bill Pearl juiced to the level of Jay or Kai.  The difference between say Rich Gaspari or Mike Christian and Jay or Kai is probably smaller.  Not picking on anyone in particular here- just using examples to make a point.

guys of that era COULDN'T use to the level of today's pros for the simple fact that most of the gear wasn't around yet....the point of the thread is that they pushed the envelope and did as much ( relatively)

[Largerthanlife]

Are you suggesting that when Bob heads to BSN for work, they don't have anything for him to do except grab the outgoing mail and sweep the floors? And at lunch time, he heads out to his car (parked on the street two blocks away) and grabs a Bob-bowl from the cooler in his trunk and eats it while sitting on the curb?

LOL I can't believe how hard Natural owned him!  That is the biggest owning in a while on here, bob is still mute, I don't blame him

[Reeves]

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[jude2]

No way did Bill Pearl and Larry Scott use the same amount of test that these guys use today. Mainly for 2 reasons 1 they were scared to take that much and 2 they are still alive.

[Stavios]

No way did Bill Pearl and Larry Scott use the same amount of test that these guys use today. Mainly for 2 reasons 1 they were scared to take that much and 2 they are still alive.

why would they be scared, they didn't even know it was dangerous yet

[Largerthanlife]

why would they be scared, they didn't even know it was dangerous yet

same reason you would be scared to down a whole bottle of tylenol, because it just doesn't seem right or in your best interest.

[jude2]

why would they be scared, they didn't even know it was dangerous yet

Because it was new to them and it was a medicine. Thats like if you first got a hold of a bottle of Advil and it just came out would u start by taking the whole bottle. I just don't see them 2 guys shooting themselves up everyday like these pros. Do u think they would be as healthy as they are now. Lets wait and see how Jay and Ronnie is doing in 40 years from now.

[DK II]

same reason you would be scared to down a whole bottle of tylenol, because it just doesn't seem right or in your best interest.

Totally wrong, people where abusing the shit out of cocaine, Heroin and MDMA when they were legal, hell at one point DNP was marketed as a fatburning supplement.

[DK II]

Because it was new to them and it was a medicine. Thats like if you first got a hold of a bottle of Advil and it just came out would u start by taking the whole bottle. I just don't see them 2 guys shooting themselves up everyday like these pros. Do u think they would be as healthy as they are now. Lets wait and see how Jay and Ronnie is doing in 40 years from now.

Not on the first day, obviously.

But we all know someone who takes way more than the usual dose of aspirine or other painkillers or whatever other prescription drugs.


Now you start with a low dose, but once you stall you adjust, and when you find out there aren't any visible bad side effects, maybe some hair loss, maybe some acne, you adjust more.

I'd say it will take 6 months to a year until you have overridden your fears of "overdosing", especially at that time where people were much more careless.

[BIG_STI]

lol at the "expert" who started this thread. A 150lb twink who looks to have never touched a weight in his life

[Board_SHERIF]

I agree with thread starter that today's Body Builders faggy clowns use tons more gear than classic pros..

[Alexander D]

Oh look another thread about gear use on getbig where Chick tries to talk sense into a handful of retards LOL

FAIL

[jude2]

Not on the first day, obviously.

But we all know someone who takes way more than the usual dose of aspirine or other painkillers or whatever other prescription drugs.


Now you start with a low dose, but once you stall you adjust, and when you find out there aren't any visible bad side effects, maybe some hair loss, maybe some acne, you adjust more.

I'd say it will take 6 months to a year until you have overridden your fears of "overdosing", especially at that time where people were much more careless.

Ok but it still don't answer the question why  is Bill and Larry still alive and healthy. I quess we will have to wait the 40 years out to prove to some of you how healthy Jay and Ronnie are 

[Captain Equipoise]

I think a large part of the equation as to why current guys are getting so sick and having all these problems is the underground shit that comes from some guy's bathtub contaminated with heavy metals and who knows what else, as opposed to clean 100% pharma grade stuff that was rampant in the 70's and 80's. For example there is no way you can compare current day tren made from cow pellets to the original Parabolan from France and so on, everything these days is made in unsterile environments, underdosed and generally shit quality, unless you go to a doctor and get legit scripts for clean pharma gear.

Also, guys at much lower competition stages are taking 3x more then top pro's used to 20 years ago, guys doing level 1 and 2 shows are on 3 grams of test a week + 10iu's of gh and 30-40 iu's of insulin a day...that's for a LEVEL 1 or 2 show, nevermind top NPC guys.

[njflex]

if there ever was a breaking point between excessive use,dose,and extreme conditioning it would have been when first benaziza died and then few yrs later munzer,,porter cotrell and steve brisbois were there with benaziza and watched him pass away,only brisbois called it a day,cotrell went on even past munzers death and everyone else too and they did the same stuff and thensome.it didn't happen to them so be it keep going.

[lesaucer]

I think a large part of the equation as to why current guys are getting so sick and having all these problems is the underground shit that comes from some guy's bathtub contaminated with heavy metals and who knows what else, as opposed to clean 100% pharma grade stuff that was rampant in the 70's and 80's. For example there is no way you can compare current day tren made from cow pellets to the original Parabolan from France and so on, everything these days is made in unsterile environments, underdosed and generally shit quality, unless you go to a doctor and get legit scripts for clean pharma gear.

Also, guys at much lower competition stages are taking 3x more then top pro's used to 20 years ago, guys doing level 1 and 2 shows are on 3 grams of test a week + 10iu's of gh and 30-40 iu's of insulin a day...that's for a LEVEL 1 or 2 show, nevermind top NPC guys.

are you trying to tell me that putting my pellets in my lube stained porn drawer until they dissolve in the magic solution is, unsterile?