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Because the bodyybuilding media has lied about protein needs. Even growing babies, which are building not merely new muscle tissue but also organ tissue and connective tissue, all of which require protein, do that on mother's milk which is about only 1% of protein per weight! Sure, very high quality protein, but it still composes only about 1% to 4% of their total caloric intake. Most of the scientific papers I've read suggest that Humans need only 0.25 to 0.3 grams of protein per pound of bodyweight for nitrogen retention. And these studies were done with severe burn victims who need more protein than average people. The argument that bodybuilders need more because they are building muscle is ridiculous because the amount of muscle build on a daily basis is very small. It's not like you're gaining several pounds of new tissue per week like a baby, and babies do that with a diet of only 1-4% protein! This website is right on the money....
http://www.google.com.br/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CBgQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gorillaprotein.com%2F&ei=GmzkTcSiOqb00gHkvvGKBw&usg=AFQjCNGWO7554OD-szQJ1u-mUSciOP9dSA (http://www.google.com.br/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CBgQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gorillaprotein.com%2F&ei=GmzkTcSiOqb00gHkvvGKBw&usg=AFQjCNGWO7554OD-szQJ1u-mUSciOP9dSA)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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I'm beginning to think that genetics is the biggest component. Pros can handle the gear necessary to grow as much as they do. And response to gear is genetic. Response to gear, structure, muscle attachment sites, etc, are all genetic.
Is Ronnie really out there doing anything fancy to maintain his size? My guess is that he just eats more or less like a normal person with an extra shake or two thrown in and trains for fun.
I think we all have a friend or two who maintains pretty good size and seemingly follows no special diet at all but know other friends who follow bodybuilding rules to the letter with exactly X grams of protein per day [based on body weight] and yet don't have much size. I think if you follow the big picture by training hard and eating right you will grow as your genetics allow. Following the exact details to the letter I'm not sure make much of a difference unless you are literally weeks or days out from a show when little details start to matter a lot more.
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While i have eaten as well as i could for many years, i think training hard and letting the body recover and overcompensate from that training are more important. Eating better can help speed that up and also dictate how lean you will stay.
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Because the bodyybuilding media has lied about protein needs. Even growing babies, which are building not merely new muscle tissue but also organ tissue and connective tissue, all of which require protein, do that on mother's milk which is about only 1% of protein per weight! Sure, very high quality protein, but it still composes only about 1% to 4% of their total caloric intake. Most of the scientific papers I've read suggest that Humans need only 0.25 to 0.3 grams of protein per pound of bodyweight for nitrogen retention. And these studies were done with severe burn victims who need more protein than average people. The argument that bodybuilders need more because they are building muscle is ridiculous because the amount of muscle build on a daily basis is very small. It's not like you're gaining several pounds of new tissue per week like a baby, and babies do that with a diet of only 1-4% protein! This website is right on the money....
http://www.google.com.br/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CBgQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gorillaprotein.com%2F&ei=GmzkTcSiOqb00gHkvvGKBw&usg=AFQjCNGWO7554OD-szQJ1u-mUSciOP9dSA (http://www.google.com.br/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CBgQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gorillaprotein.com%2F&ei=GmzkTcSiOqb00gHkvvGKBw&usg=AFQjCNGWO7554OD-szQJ1u-mUSciOP9dSA)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
UMM BABIES WEIGH LIKE 1-2 LBS AFTER A C0UPLE M0NTHS. A CUP 0F MILK HAS AB0UT 10 GRAMS 0F PR0TEIN.
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In high school, I was good friends with this poor black dude with insane genetics (Kenny). I worked out with my older brother, who was an NPC competitor who eventually competed at Nationals as a light heavy.
My friend asked my brother if he would help train him, as my friend had no clue what to do (he was similar to those ghetto dudes you see on Youtube doing dips and pullups). My brother started my friend out by having him actually train legs, lol. Kenny started to blow up, and this is without roids. My brother kept telling Kenny to get more protein in his diet, and Kenny said he couldn't afford protein powder, and his parents wouldn't by him any.
Kenny devised his own plan and started eating pasta with natural peanut butter mixed in, and would eat about 1/2 pound per sitting. He grew like a weed, but got a little fat. He started substituting cans of tuna and whole eggs for some of his meals and he leaned out.
Unfortunately, with his size, he got recruited to bounce at an inner city club, where he made money, and he bought steroids. He nearly dropped out of high school, because he started using recs almost as soon as he started with juice. It all went to his head.
But I know when he started using, and that dude grew like a weed on pasta and natural peanut butter. His mother made him eat sweet potatoes and collards, as she thought he didn't get enough vegetables.
Looking back, that was a pretty damned good diet to grow/flourish on.
Pasta with peanut butter ????????????????????????? That's a new one for me ! LOL ! Don't knock it till ya try it, I guess ! LOL !
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I think you're right that little protein is needed specifically for muscle building/repairing and nitrogen retention. On another hand, I think I read somewhere that the amount needed to stimulate protein synthesis is more than the small amounts recommended by those scientific papers you read. The thing is those studies only take nitrogen retention in consideration, but they don't protein synthesis. And I think that protein synthesis is also important in muscle growth... or maybe is another made up term by the bb media to promote higher protein intakes....who knows. Some people also claim they've made more progress by upping their protein, but maybe it had nothing to do with the protein itself..just the increase in calories. Overall, who knows what the truth is...the only thing I can say is guys on gear need a lot more than naturals.
I personally hate eating too much protein, so my intake isn't that high, but its still more than the 0.25-0.3 gr/lb recommendation.
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While i have eaten as well as i could for many years, i think training hard and letting the body recover and overcompensate from that training are more important. Eating better can help speed that up and also dictate how lean you will stay.
Great post
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Pasta with peanut butter ????????????????????????? That's a new one for me ! LOL ! Don't knock it till ya try it, I guess ! LOL !
Many inner-city black youths eat that. They also eat noodles with mayonnaise, rice with ketchup and chicken noodle soup with a coke on the side.
Growing up in the inner city exposed me to many hidden recipes for GOOD food.
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UMM BABIES WEIGH LIKE 1-2 LBS AFTER A C0UPLE M0NTHS. A CUP 0F MILK HAS AB0UT 10 GRAMS 0F PR0TEIN.
Haha, WTF?
1-2 pounds? Haha, babies definitely are small but they must weigh more than 1-2 lbs... ;D
BTW, I remember from somewhere that babies gain 20-30 grams of bodyweight per day and many centimeters in height per month :o
If only we could keep gaining like babies 8)
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Haha, WTF?
1-2 pounds? Haha, babies definitely are small but they must weigh more than 1-2 lbs... ;D
BTW, I remember from somewhere that babies gain 20-30 grams of bodyweight per day and many centimeters in height per month :o
If only we could keep gaining like babies 8)
I don't know how much newborn gorillas weigh but I would guess 3-4 lbs.
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I think you're right that little protein is needed specifically for muscle building/repairing and nitrogen retention. On another hand, I think I read somewhere that the amount needed to stimulate protein synthesis is more than the small amounts recommended by those scientific papers you read. The thing is those studies only take nitrogen retention in consideration, but they don't protein synthesis. And I think that protein synthesis is also important in muscle growth... or maybe is another made up term by the bb media to promote higher protein intakes....who knows. Some people also claim they've made more progress by upping their protein, but maybe it had nothing to do with the protein itself..just the increase in calories. Overall, who knows what the truth is...the only thing I can say is guys on gear need a lot more than naturals.
I personally hate eating too much protein, so my intake isn't that high, but its still more than the 0.25-0.3 gr/lb recommendation.
you re saying that basically you and your brother ruined the life of someone else lol. Interesting to see how people evolve depending of various conditionnings tho, great read.
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growing up from a baby to an andult is natural and is stimulated by natural hormones. On the other hand building extra muscle is AGAINST the will of the body, so you need training and extra protein for that. As I heard...
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i heard if you eat gorilla balls it'll make ya more manly.
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I think you're right that little protein is needed specifically for muscle building/repairing and nitrogen retention. On another hand, I think I read somewhere that the amount needed to stimulate protein synthesis is more than the small amounts recommended by those scientific papers you read. The thing is those studies only take nitrogen retention in consideration, but they don't protein synthesis. And I think that protein synthesis is also important in muscle growth... or maybe is another made up term by the bb media to promote higher protein intakes....who knows. Some people also claim they've made more progress by upping their protein, but maybe it had nothing to do with the protein itself..just the increase in calories. Overall, who knows what the truth is...the only thing I can say is guys on gear need a lot more than naturals.
I personally hate eating too much protein, so my intake isn't that high, but its still more than the 0.25-0.3 gr/lb recommendation.
A growing baby adds new muscle, organ and connective tissue by synthesizing more protein. This dismisses outright your claim that the protein intake I recommend is only good enough for nitrogen retention but not for muscle growth.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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A growing baby adds new muscle, organ and connective tissue by synthesizing more protein. This dismisses outright your claim that the protein intake I recommend is only good enough for nitrogen retention but not for muscle growth.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
What about the stimulation of protein synthesis? That's important so I've heard.
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What about the stimulation of protein synthesis? That's important so I've heard.
Rate of protein synthesis is regulated by genes. Testosterone and other steroids increase the synthesis of new muscle tissue by activating gene pathways involved in muscle growth. Unless you can provide evidence that eating more protein will tell your genes to order your muscles to make more muscle tissue, then there is no logic in a greater protein consumption increasing protein synthesis.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Rate of protein synthesis is regulated by genes. Testosterone and other steroids increase the synthesis of new muscle tissue by activating gene pathways involved in muscle growth. Unless you can provide evidence that eating more protein will tell your genes to order your muscles to make more muscle tissue, then there is no logic in a greater protein consumption increasing protein synthesis.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
What you're saying makes sense here, but I've read that leucine helps stimulate protein synthesis. Also, that a certain amount of this amino acid must be consumed to optimally stimulate protein synthesis and obviously that comes from eating a certain amount of protein.
For example:
http://www.efdeportes.com/efd131/leucine-stimulates-mtor-and-muscle-protein-synthesis.htm
Obviously it may all be a bunch of crap info..I mean, the rate of protein synthesis stimulation from leucine may not be significant enough to aid in muscle growth..at least not in the degree of AAS and other drugs. I'm just putting it out there to provide another point of view.
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I'm beginning to think that genetics is the biggest component. Pros can handle the gear necessary to grow as much as they do. And response to gear is genetic. Response to gear, structure, muscle attachment sites, etc, are all genetic.
Is Ronnie really out there doing anything fancy to maintain his size? My guess is that he just eats more or less like a normal person with an extra shake or two thrown in and trains for fun.
I think we all have a friend or two who maintains pretty good size and seemingly follows no special diet at all but know other friends who follow bodybuilding rules to the letter with exactly X grams of protein per day [based on body weight] and yet don't have much size. I think if you follow the big picture by training hard and eating right you will grow as your genetics allow. Following the exact details to the letter I'm not sure make much of a difference unless you are literally weeks or days out from a show when little details start to matter a lot more.
I'm a walking example of this...I'm 250 at 12% and eating Oreos as i type this.....Superior is superior
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Rate of protein synthesis is regulated by genes. Testosterone and other steroids increase the synthesis of new muscle tissue by activating gene pathways involved in muscle growth. Unless you can provide evidence that eating more protein will tell your genes to order your muscles to make more muscle tissue, then there is no logic in a greater protein consumption increasing protein synthesis.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Y0U CAN'T BUILD MUSCLE WITH0UT EATING EN0UGH PR0TEIN.
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In my own experience high calories of relatively healthy food has worked best.
Doesn't really matter how much protein is in it.
But I think when dieting, high protein is needed to maintain the muscle. Though to build, it's just good calories.
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Y0U CAN'T BUILD MUSCLE WITH0UT EATING EN0UGH PR0TEIN.
I never claimed you can. What I am claiming is that much less protein is needed for muscle growth than what the muscle magazines claim, evident by the fact that Human babies and gorillas build a lot of muscle(and also organs and connective tissue) on a diet that is only 1 to 4% protein.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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I never claimed you can. What I am claiming is that much less protein is needed for muscle growth than what the muscle magazines claim, evident by the fact that Human babies and gorillas build a lot of muscle(and also organs and connective tissue) on a diet that is only 1 to 4% protein.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Yea, as long as you get enough calories from carbs and fats...
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I never claimed you can. What I am claiming is that much less protein is needed for muscle growth than what the muscle magazines claim, evident by the fact that Human babies and gorillas build a lot of muscle(and also organs and connective tissue) on a diet that is only 1 to 4% protein.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
1. FIRST 0F ALL WE ARE N0T G0RILLAS. G0RILLAS HAVE ENZYMES THAT HUMANS D0 N0T. G0RILLAS ARE VEGETERIANS AND CAN EAT RAW PLANTS AND DIGEST THEM. HUMANS CANN0T AND A BABY'S NEEDS ARE DIFFERENT THAN AN ADULTS. G0RILLAS ARE NATURALLY STR0NGER THAN HUMANS.ALS0 WHERE D0 Y0U GET THIS N0TI0N THAT BABIES GR0W 0N LITTLE PR0TEIN. 0BVI0USLY A BABY GET LESS PR0TEIN THAN AN ADULT BECAUSE THEY WEIGH LESS S0 THEY NEED LESS PR0TEIN IN PR0P0RTI0N T0 THEIR B0DY WEIGHT.
2. THE STUDY HAS ALREADY BEEN D0NE BY PETER LEM0N THE W0RLD'S LEADING RESEARCHER 0N PR0TEIN AND THE M0ST THE B0DY CAN SYNTHESIZE IS 0NE GRAM PER LB 0F LEAN MUSCLE MASS. ALS0 AMIN0 ACIDS D0 INCREASE PR0TEIN SYNTHESIS.
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Yea, as long as you get enough calories from carbs and fats...
N0 Y0U WILL L0SE MUSCLE MASS IF Y0U GET 1 PERCENT 0F PR0TEIN 0UT 0F Y0UR T0TAL CAL0RIES.
F0R S0ME0NE THAT WEIGHS 150 LBS AND GES 2,000 CAL0RIES THIS W0ULD MEAN HE CAN MAINTAIN HIS MUSCLE AT 20 GRAMS 0F PR0TEIN A DAY L0L. N0 HE CAN'T.
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N0 Y0U WILL L0SE MUSCLE MASS IF Y0U GET 1 PERCENT 0F PR0TEIN 0UT 0F Y0UR T0TAL CAL0RIES.
F0R S0ME0NE THAT WEIGHS 150 LBS AND GES 2,000 CAL0RIES THIS W0ULD MEAN HE CAN MAINTAIN HIS MUSCLE AT 20 GRAMS 0F PR0TEIN A DAY L0L. N0 HE CAN'T.
LOL, No. I was talking about consuming less protein than is suggested in bb-mags etc, not getting only 20 grams ;D
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1. FIRST 0F ALL WE ARE N0T G0RILLAS. G0RILLAS HAVE ENZYMES THAT HUMANS D0 N0T. G0RILLAS ARE VEGETERIANS AND CAN EAT RAW PLANTS AND DIGEST THEM. HUMANS CANN0T AND A BABY'S NEEDS ARE DIFFERENT THAN AN ADULTS. G0RILLAS ARE NATURALLY STR0NGER THAN HUMANS.ALS0 WHERE D0 Y0U GET THIS N0TI0N THAT BABIES GR0W 0N LITTLE PR0TEIN. 0BVI0USLY A BABY GET LESS PR0TEIN THAN AN ADULT BECAUSE THEY WEIGH LESS S0 THEY NEED LESS PR0TEIN IN PR0P0RTI0N T0 THEIR B0DY WEIGHT.
2. THE STUDY HAS ALREADY BEEN D0NE BY PETER LEM0N THE W0RLD'S LEADING RESEARCHER 0N PR0TEIN AND THE M0ST THE B0DY CAN SYNTHESIZE IS 0NE GRAM PER LB 0F LEAN MUSCLE MASS. ALS0 AMIN0 ACIDS D0 INCREASE PR0TEIN SYNTHESIS.
Does your keyboard not have the letter "O" or something?
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1. FIRST 0F ALL WE ARE N0T G0RILLAS. G0RILLAS HAVE ENZYMES THAT HUMANS D0 N0T. G0RILLAS ARE VEGETERIANS AND CAN EAT RAW PLANTS AND DIGEST THEM.
This has nothing to do with gorillas' physiology. Growing Human babies increase body mass by as much as 10% per week on a diet that contain no more than 4% protein.
And gorillas' physiology being different than ours doesen't mean anything because we are talking about the amount of protein needed to build new muscle tissue and not how much your body can absorb and process. Even if gorillas could absorb 100 times more protein than we can, if you required 100X amount of protein to build a new pound of muscle and the gorilla ate only X, then it wouldn't be able to increase it's muscle size.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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UMM BABIES WEIGH LIKE 1-2 LBS AFTER A C0UPLE M0NTHS. A CUP 0F MILK HAS AB0UT 10 GRAMS 0F PR0TEIN.
Assbruise.
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This has nothing to do with gorillas' physiology. Growing Human babies increase body mass by as much as 10% per week on a diet that contain no more than 4% protein.
And gorillas' physiology being different than ours doesen't mean anything because we are talking about the amount of protein needed to build new muscle tissue and not how much your body can absorb and process. Even if gorillas could absorb 100 times more protein than we can, if you required 100X amount of protein to build a new pound of muscle and the gorilla ate only X, then it wouldn't be able to increase it's muscle size.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
1.GR0WING HUMAN BABIES ARE N0T ADULTS. Y0U JUST SAID IT. GR0WING BABIES. HUMAN ADULTS ARE D0NE GR0WING S0 THEY REQUIRE DIFFERENT NEEDS THAN BABIES. HUMAN ADULTS ARE N0 L0NGER PUTTING 0N MUSCLE MASS BY JUST EATING S0 Y0U ARE WR0NG THERE 0NCE AGAIN THAT 4 PERCENT 0F DAILY INTAKE IS NEEDED T0 PR0DUCE MUSCLE MASS.
2.Y0U ARE THE 0NE THAT MENTI0NED G0RRILAS EARLIER AS PR00F THAT HUMANS NEED LITTLE PR0TEIN AND PHYSI0L0GY IS IMP0RTANT BECAUSE DIFFERENT PHYSI0L0GY REQUIRES DIFFERENT PR0TEIN INTAKE. FIRST Y0U MENTI0N G0RRILAS PHYSI0L0GY BEING DIFFERENT D0SEN'T MATTER AND IN THE SAME SENTENCE Y0U MENTI0N H0W MUCH PR0TEIN IS NEEDED T0 BUILD MUSCLE TISSUES FAILING AGAIN T0 SEE A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN G0RRILAS AND HUMANS.
3. Y0U ARE WR0NG AB0UT HUMAN ADULTS 0NLY NEEDING 1 PERCENT 0F THEIR INTAKE FR0M PR0TEIN T0 STIMULATE GR0WTH. STUDIES SH0W THAT IT TAKES 75 GRAMS A DAY T0 ST0P A DEFICIENCY IN Y0UR B0DY AS PR0TEIN AL0NG WITH FAT IS A NECCESSARY MACR0NUTRIENT F0R THE SKIN,HAIR,AND NAILS. CARB0HYDRATES ARE N0T A NEEDED MACR0NUTRIENT T0 LIVE.
4.I'M STARTING T0 THINK Y0U ARE TR0LLING BECAUSE N0 0NE CAN BE THIS STUPID S0 I'M G0NNA ST0P HERE.
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Stop typing in all caps. Seriously.
1.GR0WING HUMAN BABIES ARE N0T ADULTS. Y0U JUST SAID IT. GR0WING BABIES. HUMAN ADULTS ARE D0NE GR0WING S0 THEY REQUIRE DIFFERENT NEEDS THAN BABIES.
Ok, so how does a Human adult who, you agree with me, has stopped growing, need more protein than a growing baby? Obviously, a baby's protein needs are higher than an adult's and yet it does all it's growing on a diet of about 4% protein.
And a gorilla's physiology is different, but this is not the issue here. I am talking about need. Gorillas have larger muscles than Humans because their genes dictate bigger muscles, but it wouldn't be able to build those huge muscles, even with it's genes, if it needed huge amounts of protein to build muscle and it ate it's diet of 1-4% protein. To use an analogy that your brain can understand, you cannot build a huge brick house with 4 bricks no matter how economical you are with the bricks.
SUCCKMYMUSCLE
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I've been saying this for years, and I am living proof. Many old school bodybuilders (Bill Pearl) did NOT believe in high protein either. He also REFERENCED out his studies, and had the empirical data to prove it.
Cut the nuts off of a male Pitbull. A purebred is still gonna be a fucking muscle monster. Where is the "oh-so-important" Test being produced now?
Yes, it's still being produced, but in much SMALLER ammounts also (like protein)
It's all about the duckets. Too bad the muscle mags will never be able to come clean on this topic (just like most of their topics and ads)- but, without these sheeple sales, their mags would not exist and the homos wouldn't be able to stare at the homos.
Oh well, such is the irony and deceit of life.
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You need protein to put on muscle. End of story. One gram per pound might be too much for some, but for most it'll do the trick. Why are people talking about protein intake on getbig, anyway?
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I believe there was a thread I created last year about protein consumption of bodybuilders and whether it was too much.
Great thread Suckmuscle.
Can you imagine the amount of money generated from supplement companies that told us we need to up the protein over the past 20 years?....hmmmmmmmm....
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You need protein to put on muscle. End of story.
Yes, but much less than what the muscle magazines claim. How come do mountain gorillas build 500 lbs of muscle on leaves and bark? This has been my point all along for those of you who can read.
SUCMYMUSCLE
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Can you imagine the amount of profit generated from supplement companies that told us we need to up the protein over the past 20 years?....hmmmmmmmm.... Could you imagine if bodybuilders and athletes actually believed you didn't need as much? There goes the bodybuilding industry...
I remember back in the mid to late 90s when the protein consumption for some NPC and IFBB bodybuilders where 500-600mg of protein per day was common...All kidney problems...
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Can you imagine the amount of profit generated from supplement companies that told us we need to up the protein over the past 20 years?....hmmmmmmmm.... Could you imagine if bodybuilders and athletes actually believed you didn't need as much? There goes the bodybuilding industry...
I remember back in the mid to late 90s when the protein consumption for some NPC and IFBB bodybuilders where 500-600mg of protein per day was common...All kidney problems...
True.....I don't eat any more protein than the average person, it's all fucking bullshit.
It's always blew my mind how stupid people were that they couldn't connect the dots that the people telling you to eat a shitload of protein were the people SELLING the protein...LOLOL
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Yes, but much less than what the muscle magazines claim. How come do mountain gorillas build 500 lbs of muscle on leaves and bark? This has been my point all along for those of you who can read.
SUCMYMUSCLE
0H MAN I'M READING Y0UR P0ST IN DISBELIEF. W0W. I CAN'T BELIEVE S0ME0NE IS THIS CHILDISH AND STUPID. G0RILLAS ARE NATURALLY BIGGER THAN HUMANS REGARDLESS 0F THEIR DIET. ARE Y0U SERI0USLY C0MPARING G0RILLAS T0 HUMANS T0 MAKE Y0UR P0INT 0N PR0TEIN INTAKE.
WHY CAN G0RILLAS DIGEST RAW PLANTS AND HUMANS CAN'T? G0RILLAS HAVE DIFFERENT ENZYMES THAN HUMANS. WHY ARE THE MACR0NUTRIET REQUIREMENTS F0R HUMANS AND G0RILLAS DIFFERENT? WHY CAN'T A HUMAN LIVE 0FF LEAVES AND BARK? G0RILLAS ARE VEGETERIANS AND HUMANS ARE N0T. HUMANS CANN0T LIVE 0N WHAT A G0RILLA D0ES.
HUMANS /= G0RILLAS
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True.....I don't eat any more protein than the average person, it's all fucking bullshit.
It's always blew my mind how stupid people were that they couldn't connect the dots that the people telling you to eat a shitload of protein were the people SELLING the protein...LOLOL
Even Doctors have been telling bodybuilders or people that like to try to be bodybuilders they don't need 1.5 - 2.0 gms of protein per lb of lean body weight or just bodyweight in general...I'll be honest my dumbass fell for it....I was just a kid trying to live the dream.
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Even Doctors have been telling bodybuilders or people that like to try to be bodybuilders they don't need 1.5 - 2.0 gms of protein per lb of lean body weight or just bodyweight in general...I'll be honest my dumbass fell for it....I was just a kid trying to live the dream.
YAH BUT THAT D0SEN'T MEAN Y0U NEED 4 PERCENT 0F PR0TEIN 0NLY.
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YAH BUT THAT D0SEN'T MEAN Y0U NEED 4 PERCENT 0F PR0TEIN 0NLY.
I'm not insinuating we do just much less than what is reported in the mags and from the supplement companies...
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0H MAN I'M READING Y0UR P0ST IN DISBELIEF. W0W. I CAN'T BELIEVE S0ME0NE IS THIS CHILDISH AND STUPID. G0RILLAS ARE NATURALLY BIGGER THAN HUMANS REGARDLESS 0F THEIR DIET. ARE Y0U SERI0USLY C0MPARING G0RILLAS T0 HUMANS T0 MAKE Y0UR P0INT 0N PR0TEIN INTAKE.
WHY CAN G0RILLAS DIGEST RAW PLANTS AND HUMANS CAN'T? G0RILLAS HAVE DIFFERENT ENZYMES THAN HUMANS. WHY ARE THE MACR0NUTRIET REQUIREMENTS F0R HUMANS AND G0RILLAS DIFFERENT? WHY CAN'T A HUMAN LIVE 0FF LEAVES AND BARK?
HUMANS /= G0RILLAS
You are just angry because I made you feel dumb, so now you are calling me what I made you feel like. I understand. Since you are too dumb to understand, let me try to explain what I am trying to say. I am not talking about metabolism here, but the amount of protein needed to build muscles like the amount of bricks needed to build a house. Yes, gorillas can process and digest leaves which Humans can't, but the total amount of protein contained in all the plants that gorillas eat amounts to much, much less than what the muscle magazines claim you need to build muscle. If you need 500 grams of protein a day to build muscle but a gorilla only ingests 40 grams, then it wouldn't be able to build muscle no matter how efficient it's metabolism is at utilizing protein. Likewise, a growing baby wouldn't be able to build all that new organ, muscle and connective tissue on a diet of 3% protein no matter how efficient it's metabolism is. Understand? Probably not.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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YAH BUT THAT D0SEN'T MEAN Y0U NEED 4 PERCENT 0F PR0TEIN 0NLY.
Yes it does, you moron. How do babies build all that new muscle on mother's milk only, which is about 4% protein? Now try to argue that an adult needs more protein than a growing baby, dummy.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Yes it does, you moron. How do babies build all that new muscle on mother's milk only, which is about 4% protein? Now try to argue that an adult needs more protein than a growing baby, dummy dumby.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
fixed :D
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The one gram per lbs is wrong:
1. Early European research on strength athletes recommend 1 gram per kilo lean bodyweight while not
dieting.
2. This was falsely raised bij the US suppl industry to 1 gr/lbs bodyweight.
3. Cals are important. With enough cals 1 gr/kilo lean may be enough. This is very easy to do.
4. When dieting the protein should be raised to 2gr/lean kilo. Thats about 160gr for a 200lbs 10% BB.
So says Dr Dutch
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Regardless one way I found to tell I was eating way too much protein is if my sweat started to smell like ammonia or if my gym clothes started reek like cat pee when left in the wash basket. This was a clear sign I was taking in excess protein and my body was breaking those amino acids down into the byproduct (Ammonia) This can also happen if you're on a High protein, low carb, low fat too low calorie diet, combined with not drinking enough water & too much long duration cardio. Your body is then catabolizing muscle tissue into amino acids for energy stripping off the nitrogen atom and processing it in the kidneys to produce urea and ammonia in your sweat. I also fell into the trap in the past of thinking I needed to eat 3g+ protein per pound mostly following juiced up guys diets but as mentioned this works for them due to their higher nitrogen retention. I got good results on those diets though but now I eat the standard 1-1,5g per pound which is plenty for Drug free guys (when training hard) IMO rather get the rest of your calories from good carbs, green veg and healthy fat. This way I feel way better in comparison with more energy. I think this is also due to keeping the acidosis from excess higher protein (acidic) type foods lower and the PH of the body lower.
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Regardless one way I found to tell I was eating way too much protein is if my sweat started to smell like ammonia or if my gym clothes started reek like cat pee when left in the wash basket. This was a clear sign I was taking in excess protein and my body was breaking those amino acids down into the byproduct (Ammonia) This can also happen if you're on a High protein, low carb, low fat too low calorie diet, combined with not drinking enough water & too much long duration cardio. Your body is then catabolizing muscle tissue into amino acids for energy stripping off the nitrogen atom and processing it in the kidneys to produce urea and ammonia in your sweat. I also fell into the trap in the past of thinking I needed to eat 3g+ protein per pound mostly following juiced up guys diets but as mentioned this works for them due to their higher nitrogen retention. I got good results on those diets though but now I eat the standard 1-1,5g per pound which is plenty for Drug free guys (when training hard) IMO rather get the rest of your calories from good carbs, green veg and healthy fat. This way I feel way better in comparison with more energy. I think this is also due to keeping the acidosis from excess higher protein (acidic) type foods lower and the PH of the body lower.
Good post - I can relate to the workout clothes stinking in the wash basket smell - that was back in the day when I was taking 400-500 grams of protein a day. These days I'm only on 1.5 grams per pound (roughly about 300-330 grams a day) and it works fine - I feel that any more than this is a waste if you're training without the use of gear.
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Good post - I can relate to the workout clothes stinking in the wash basket smell - that was back in the day when I was taking 400-500 grams of protein a day. These days I'm only on 1.5 grams per pound (roughly about 300-330 grams a day) and it works fine - I feel that any more than this is a waste if you're training without the use of gear.
And we didn't even mentioned the infernal farting..
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Bullshit about the babies.
Babies drink milk all day, 24 hours, app. every 2 hours.
I remember when my son was born i calculated how much protein he gets per kg of his bodyweight, and came out at about 10g of protein per kg of bodyweight.
Kids get way more than 2g per kg of protein easily every day, just one cup of milk gives about 10g of protein, for a 10kg child, and if you know kids and how much they eat, compared to an adult and their own bodyweight, it puts any bodybuilder to shame.
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Bullshit about the babies.
Babies drink milk all day, 24 hours, app. every 2 hours.
I remember when my son was born i calculated how much protein he gets per kg of his bodyweight, and came out at about 10g of protein per kg of bodyweight.
Kids get way more than 2g per kg of protein easily every day, just one cup of milk gives about 10g of protein, for a 10kg child, and if you know kids and how much they eat, compared to an adult and their own bodyweight, it puts any bodybuilder to shame.
Mother's milk is way lower protein than cow's milk...
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Mother's milk is way lower protein than cow's milk...
But its the highest quality of all. seriously.
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Mother's milk is way lower protein than cow's milk...
Yes, what i meant was kids who are really eating food, at 1-2 years old.
They get tons of protein.
And even if mother milk is lower in protein, if you've ever seen how much these little fuckers drink in the first months, literally every 2 hours, 24 hours, that makes 12 protein shakes a day, and that for 2500-4000g of own bodyweight, it's a shitload of protein.
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But its the highest quality of all. seriously.
Yes, more like liquid amino acids than milk protein, it gets absorbed rapidly and in the beginning, the amount of colostrum is insanely high.
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Breast milk ice cream goes on sale in Covent Garden
The makers say the ice cream is pure, organic and totally natural
A restaurant in London's Covent Garden is serving a new range of ice cream, made with breast milk.
The dessert, called Baby Gaga, is churned with donations from London mother Victoria Hiley, and served with a rusk and an optional shot of Calpol or Bonjela.
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Breast milk ice cream goes on sale in Covent Garden
The makers say the ice cream is pure, organic and totally natural
A restaurant in London's Covent Garden is serving a new range of ice cream, made with breast milk.
The dessert, called Baby Gaga, is churned with donations from London mother Victoria Hiley, and served with a rusk and an optional shot of Calpol or Bonjela.
LOL, saw that on TV.
They had to stop it because of hygienic concerns. ;D ;D ;D
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LOL, saw that on TV.
They had to stop it because of hygienic concerns. ;D ;D ;D
I think it was only for fetishists, though....
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I think it was only for fetishists, though....
Well, IF i drink breast milk, only straight from the source. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Well, IF i drink breast milk, only straight from the source. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
It's too sweet..
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It's too sweet..
perfect for PWO. ;D ;D ;D
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Bullshit about the babies.
No, it's not, and here is why. We are talking about the total amount of protein needed to build new muscle tissue. The amount you are getting per pound of bodyweight doesen't matter because the amount necessary to build a new pound of body tissue doesen't vary - is not affected by how much you are getting per pound of bodyweight. A new born baby will gain up to a pound of new lean body mass per week. Human milk contains about 2 to 3% protein. That means that there is between 20 and 30 grams of protein in a liter of Human milk. Well, a newborn baby drinks less than a liter of milk a day. That is a lot of milk. The average woman cannot even produce this amount in one day. So a baby is building a whole pound of new body mass a week with less than 30 grams of protein a day! Even if it is getting 10 grams per pound of bodyweight, it still is getting only 30 grams total and that is all the body needs to make a whole new pound of lean body mass in a week.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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So what's the deal with eating then? Do we still eat 6 times a day or would a normal 3 meals a day coupled with a protein shake help?
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Yes, gorillas can process and digest leaves which Humans can't, but the total amount of protein contained in all the plants that gorillas eat amounts to much, much less than what the muscle magazines claim you need to build muscle.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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THIS IS PR00F Y0U'RE TR0LLING. HERE Y0U'RE C0MPARING A G0RILLAS NEEDS T0 A HUMAN. Y0U'RE IMPLYING THAT SINCE A G0RILLA BUILDS MUSCLE 0N VERY LITTLE PR0TEIN THEN IT MUST BE TRUE F0R HUMANS EVEN TH0UGH THEY ARE A C0MPLETLY DIFFERENT SPECIES. N0 0NE CAN BE THIS STUPID. A G0RILLA NEEDS LESS PR0TEIN BECAUSE THEY ARE A DIFFERENT SPECIES. JUST BECAUSE A G0RILLA BUILDS MUSCLE WITH N0 PR0TEIN D0SEN'T MEAN IT'S THE SAME F0R HUMANS.
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Yes it does, you moron. How do babies build all that new muscle on mother's milk only, which is about 4% protein? Now try to argue that an adult needs more protein than a growing baby, dummy.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
THE NEEDS 0F A BABY AND AN ADULT ARE DIFFERENT. HUMAN ADULTS REQUIRE M0RE PR0TEIN THAN A BABY. THEY ALS0 REQUIRE LESS SLEEP THAN A BABY AND HUMAN ADULTS D0N'T REQUIRE M0THERE'S MILK F0R C0NSUMPTI0N. Y0U ARE JUST TALKING 0UT 0F Y0UR ASS WITH N0 EVIDENCE AT ALL. Y0U D0N'T EVEN EAT 4 PERCENT 0F PR0TEIN. Y0U ARE JUST A TR0LL. ALL STUDIES SH0W Y0U NEED 75 GRAMS 0F PR0TEIN T0 ST0P MUSCLE WASTING IN A MALE ADULT WH0 D0SEN'T EXERCISE. ANY0NE ELSE AMAZED BY H0W STUPID THIS GUY IS? HIS EVIDENCE THAT HUMANS NEEDS LESS PR0TEIN IS HIM C0MPARING HUMANS T0 G0RILLAS. S0 IF A G0RILLA NEEDS N0 PR0TEIN THAN IT MUST BE TRUE F0R A HUMAN T00. 0H AND THE BABY C0MPARISI0N T00 FUNNY.
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THE NEEDS 0F A BABY AND AN ADULT ARE DIFFERENT. HUMAN ADULTS REQUIRE M0RE PR0TEIN THAN A BABY. THEY ALS0 REQUIRE LESS SLEEP THAN A BABY AND HUMAN ADULTS D0N'T REQUIRE M0THERE'S MILK F0R C0NSUMPTI0N. Y0U ARE JUST TALKING 0UT 0F Y0UR ASS WITH N0 EVIDENCE AT ALL. Y0U D0N'T EVEN EAT 4 PERCENT 0F PR0TEIN. Y0U ARE JUST A TR0LL. ALL STUDIES SH0W Y0U NEED 75 GRAMS 0F PR0TEIN T0 ST0P MUSCLE WASTING IN A MALE ADULT WH0 D0SEN'T EXERCISE. ANY0NE ELSE AMAZED BY H0W STUPID THIS GUY IS? HIS EVIDENCE THAT HUMANS NEEDS LESS PR0TEIN IS HIM C0MPARING HUMANS T0 G0RILLAS. S0 IF A G0RILLA NEEDS N0 PR0TEIN THAN IT MUST BE TRUE F0R A HUMAN T00. 0H AND THE BABY C0MPARISI0N T00 FUNNY.
You do love caps lock, don't you?
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Assbruise.
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Actually a more important question is the protein requirements of repeated caps lock usage; I read somewhere that constant caps lock usage increases average protein intake requirements by 21.56%, depending upon individual genetic needs.
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Actually a more important question is the protein requirements of repeated caps lock usage; I read somewhere that constant caps lock usage increases average protein intake requirements by 21.56%, depending upon individual genetic needs.
Not if you're a gorilla. :o :o :o :o
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Not if you're a gorilla. :o :o :o :o
Actually part of Gorilla DNA provides for automatic caps lock usage and hardly any protein synthesis occurs. Gorillas are wonders of nature!
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i stopped taking whey and all other bullshit protein shakes.
whole eggs,meat, that is how i get in my protein.
when on steroids, you need a little more then the average human.
lot of people overeat!
i eat four times a day, somewhere about of 2000 kcal´s.
i am 250 pounds.
it is only when on high dose of hgh and test that you need to go to 300 - 400 grams of protein a day.
on steroids only doing that will only get you fat and bloofy.
on tren you can eat a bit more... but even then one should not overeat.
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Actually part of Gorilla DNA provides for automatic caps lock usage and hardly any protein synthesis occurs. Gorillas are wonders of nature!
I wonder how a gorilla would do in a fight against a grizzly bear. ::) ::)
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i have seen it all now
comparing gorillas to humans
gorillas have alot of muscle, fish have gills, elephants have trunks, giraffes have long necks, humans fingerprints and watch porn
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Bees only suck nectar from plants and can fly, i wonder how a gorilla will compare to that.
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i have seen it all now
comparing gorillas to humans
gorillas have alot of muscle, fish have gills, elephants have trunks, giraffes have long necks, humans fingerprints and watch porn
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LI0NS NEED T0 EAT LBS 0F MEAT A DAY S0 HUMANS D0 T00. 0H WAIT A MINUTE. THE C0MPARISI0N 0NLY H0LDS TRUE F0R G0RILLAS.
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LI0NS NEED T0 EAT LBS 0F MEAT A DAY S0 HUMANS D0 T00. 0H WAIT A MINUTE. THE C0MPARISI0N 0NLY H0LDS TRUE F0R G0RILLAS.
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AIS - australian institute of sports
Estimated protein requirements for
athletes
Group
Protein intake (g/kg/day)
Sedentary men and women
0.8-1.0
Elite male endurance athletes
1.6
Moderate-intensity endurance athletes (a)
1.2
Recreational endurance athletes (b)
0.8-1.0
Football, power sports
1.4-1.7
Resistance athletes (early training)
1.5-1.7
Resistance athletes (steady state)
1.0-1.2
Female athletes
~15% lower than male athletes
(a) Exercising approximately four to five
times per week for 45-60 min
(b) Exercising four to five times per week
for 30 min at <55% VO 2peak
Source: Burke and Deakin,
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Bullshit about the babies.
Babies drink milk all day, 24 hours, app. every 2 hours.
I remember when my son was born i calculated how much protein he gets per kg of his bodyweight, and came out at about 10g of protein per kg of bodyweight.
Kids get way more than 2g per kg of protein easily every day, just one cup of milk gives about 10g of protein, for a 10kg child, and if you know kids and how much they eat, compared to an adult and their own bodyweight, it puts any bodybuilder to shame.
here's how much they get per day, based on formula:
0-3 months : 9.1 grams per day
3-6 months: 11 grams per day
12 months: 13 grams per day
as you know, kids grow the most the first year (percentage wise), by doubling (and more) in size. so a 7 lb kid gets to 14 lbs on 11 grams a day on average.
it's not all about the protein though.
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here's how much they get per day, based on formula:
0-3 months : 9.1 grams per day
3-6 months: 11 grams per day
12 months: 13 grams per day
as you know, kids grow the most the first year (percentage wise), by doubling (and more) in size. so a 7 lb kid gets to 14 lbs on 11 grams a day on average.
it's not all about the protein though.
ok, so i was off, sorry.
Not bad though, i wish i could double my weight on 11g of protein, but i guess only gorillas and babies can do that.
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ok, so i was off, sorry.
Not bad though, i wish i could double my weight on 11g of protein, but i guess only gorillas and babies can do that.
Doesn't matter as long as you have thousands of Kanji stored in your head.
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Doesn't matter as long as you have thousands of Kanji stored in your head.
true.
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A male lion will gorge itself on up to 60 lbs of meat when in reality it only needs about 15 lbs. All that extra meat it eats does cause various ailments.
It is also prone to being only to sustain short bursts of speed before tiring out quickly...obviously there's a carb deficiency going on.
The whole species needs an overhaul of its diet. Perhaps Michelle Obumbles will come out with a plate diagram for what a lion really needs. Smaller portions of protein.
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I'm beginning to think that genetics is the biggest component. Pros can handle the gear necessary to grow as much as they do. And response to gear is genetic. Response to gear, structure, muscle attachment sites, etc, are all genetic.
I used to think like you when I was a teenager and used to read Weider publications monthly.
WOOOOSSSSHHHHHHHHHHH
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A male lion will gorge itself on up to 60 lbs of meat when in reality it only needs about 15 lbs. All that extra meat it eats does cause various ailments.
It is also prone to being only to sustain short bursts of speed before tiring out quickly...obviously there's a carb deficiency going on.
The whole species needs an overhaul of its diet. Perhaps Michelle Obumbles will come out with a plate diagram for what a lion really needs. Smaller portions of protein.
Well, that's thing when you discuss "protein needs" as opposed to "protein optimization".
I posted these two links uncountable times on this board, i guess no one has read them.
http://www.johnberardi.com/articles/nutrition/proprejudice.htm
http://www.johnberardi.com/articles/supplementation/prosuper.htm
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Humans can only create muscle growth through the process of hypertrophy. Hypertrophy is a physiological response to resistance training which causes muscle cells grow larger in size when there is an increase in the number of sarcomeres present in the myofibril. However, there is a ceiling for all human beings in that regard ( even the ones on gear). Animals on the other hand can actually regenerate new muscle cells through a process known as hyperplasia.
Hope this helps.
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Humans can only create muscle growth through the process of hypertrophy. Hypertrophy is a physiological response to resistance training which causes muscle cells grow larger in size when there is an increase in the number of sarcomeres present in the myofibril. However, there is a ceiling for all human beings in that regard ( even the ones on gear). Animals on the other hand can actually regenerate new muscle cells through a process known as hyperplasia.
Hope this helps.
Clearly the liberals' fault.
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Clearly the liberals' fault.
Generation Nothingness
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i heard if you eat gorilla balls it'll make ya more manly.
lol.......I actually know a Nigerian dude who told me he was fed that as a teenager. well, you'd have to see him in person to believe him
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Even Doctors have been telling bodybuilders or people that like to try to be bodybuilders they don't need 1.5 - 2.0 gms of protein per lb of lean body weight or just bodyweight in general...I'll be honest my dumbass fell for it....I was just a kid trying to live the dream.
We've all been there at some point I think :-\ At least most of us.
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lol.......I actually know a Nigerian dude who told me he was fed that as a teenager. well, you'd have to see him in person to believe him
Why don't these Nigerians eat each other instead of endangered animals... >:(
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Why don't these Nigerians eat each other instead of endangered animals... >:(
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True.....I don't eat any more protein than the average person, it's all fucking bullshit.
It's always blew my mind how stupid people were that they couldn't connect the dots that the people telling you to eat a shitload of protein were the people SELLING the protein...LOLOL
You know I'm starting to believe that. I reduced my protein intake to less than 1 gr/lb and didn't notice any loss of muscle, but I did lean out a bit. I think maybe its all really bullshit too.
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True.....I don't eat any more protein than the average person, it's all fucking bullshit.
It's always blew my mind how stupid people were that they couldn't connect the dots that the people telling you to eat a shitload of protein were the people SELLING the protein...LOLOL
i actually agree with you on this one, lol!
totally true, most guys eat way , way to much.
you will just get fat, even if on steroids one should not overeat.
3 or 4 meals a day, little more protein than the average human being.
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You know I'm starting to believe that. I reduced my protein intake to less than 1 gr/lb and didn't notice any loss of muscle, but I did lean out a bit. I think maybe its all really bullshit too.
IT'S 0NE GRAM PER LB 0F LEAN MUSCLE MASS N0T B0DY WEIGHT.
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(http://helablog.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/upright_gorilla.jpg)
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Assbruise.
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Because the bodyybuilding media has lied about protein needs. Even growing babies, which are building not merely new muscle tissue but also organ tissue and connective tissue, all of which require protein, do that on mother's milk which is about only 1% of protein per weight! Sure, very high quality protein, but it still composes only about 1% to 4% of their total caloric intake. Most of the scientific papers I've read suggest that Humans need only 0.25 to 0.3 grams of protein per pound of bodyweight for nitrogen retention. And these studies were done with severe burn victims who need more protein than average people. The argument that bodybuilders need more because they are building muscle is ridiculous because the amount of muscle build on a daily basis is very small. It's not like you're gaining several pounds of new tissue per week like a baby, and babies do that with a diet of only 1-4% protein! This website is right on the money....
http://www.google.com.br/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CBgQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gorillaprotein.com%2F&ei=GmzkTcSiOqb00gHkvvGKBw&usg=AFQjCNGWO7554OD-szQJ1u-mUSciOP9dSA (http://www.google.com.br/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CBgQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gorillaprotein.com%2F&ei=GmzkTcSiOqb00gHkvvGKBw&usg=AFQjCNGWO7554OD-szQJ1u-mUSciOP9dSA)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
FYI...
It is little thing called DNA and the genetic differences between a gorilla and a human. Hope that helps.
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FYI...
It is little thing called DNA and the genetic differences between a gorilla and a human. Hope that helps.
L0L
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You know I'm starting to believe that. I reduced my protein intake to less than 1 gr/lb and didn't notice any loss of muscle, but I did lean out a bit. I think maybe its all really bullshit too.
Same here. I pulled my tricep muscle two weeks ago and took a week off from all gym related activities and just ate normal. I leaned out, lost about 4 lbs and came back about 5-10% stronger on ALL my weights. But still, 15 years of training and being in this game, I had this eating/protein/eating/protein thing ingrained in me. Gonna take a while to adapt.
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Best thing I ever did in training was to stop using any whey protein or mass gainers and use the same amount of cash on good food instead.
Making my best gains now and as strong as ever.
The supplement industry has made people think their supplements are essential for building muscle, it's ingrained in people's minds from all advertising and all the interviews with the Pro's who need to find some excuse for having so much muscle and not using any drugs, plus they're paid to say they use as much as possible.
If a lie is told often enough, it becomes the truth.
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THIS IS PR00F Y0U'RE TR0LLING. HERE Y0U'RE C0MPARING A G0RILLAS NEEDS T0 A HUMAN. Y0U'RE IMPLYING THAT SINCE A G0RILLA BUILDS MUSCLE 0N VERY LITTLE PR0TEIN THEN IT MUST BE TRUE F0R HUMANS EVEN TH0UGH THEY ARE A C0MPLETLY DIFFERENT SPECIES. N0 0NE CAN BE THIS STUPID. A G0RILLA NEEDS LESS PR0TEIN BECAUSE THEY ARE A DIFFERENT SPECIES. JUST BECAUSE A G0RILLA BUILDS MUSCLE WITH N0 PR0TEIN D0SEN'T MEAN IT'S THE SAME F0R HUMANS.
Lol idiot, gorillas being a different species is irrelevant. We are talking about the amount of protein needed to build muscles. Gorillas needing less protein for muscle building would only be relevant is gorillas's muscles were made of less protein than Human muscles. There is no evidence of that. In fact, gorillas's muscles probably have a greater amount of protein per volume of area given that their muscle fiber density is much greater than Humans.
You = retarded :P
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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THE NEEDS 0F A BABY AND AN ADULT ARE DIFFERENT. HUMAN ADULTS REQUIRE M0RE PR0TEIN THAN A BABY. THEY ALS0 REQUIRE LESS SLEEP THAN A BABY AND HUMAN ADULTS D0N'T REQUIRE M0THERE'S MILK F0R C0NSUMPTI0N. Y0U ARE JUST TALKING 0UT 0F Y0UR ASS WITH N0 EVIDENCE AT ALL. Y0U D0N'T EVEN EAT 4 PERCENT 0F PR0TEIN. Y0U ARE JUST A TR0LL. ALL STUDIES SH0W Y0U NEED 75 GRAMS 0F PR0TEIN T0 ST0P MUSCLE WASTING IN A MALE ADULT WH0 D0SEN'T EXERCISE. ANY0NE ELSE AMAZED BY H0W STUPID THIS GUY IS? HIS EVIDENCE THAT HUMANS NEEDS LESS PR0TEIN IS HIM C0MPARING HUMANS T0 G0RILLAS. S0 IF A G0RILLA NEEDS N0 PR0TEIN THAN IT MUST BE TRUE F0R A HUMAN T00. 0H AND THE BABY C0MPARISI0N T00 FUNNY.
Right, so a Human adult needs more protein than a growing baby who increases body mass by as much as 20% per week? For fuck sake, man, you are in the running with Johnny Falcon for the title of dumbest mofo on Getbig. Congrats! :D
You = retarded :P
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Human milk is fantastic. The problem is obtaining it, and also the "yuck" factor. It has the best amino acid profile for muscle building and general anabolic growth of all bodily tissue. It also contains tons of essential fatty acids which babies need for brain growth.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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THIS IS PR00F Y0U'RE TR0LLING. HERE Y0U'RE C0MPARING A G0RILLAS NEEDS T0 A HUMAN. Y0U'RE IMPLYING THAT SINCE A G0RILLA BUILDS MUSCLE 0N VERY LITTLE PR0TEIN THEN IT MUST BE TRUE F0R HUMANS EVEN TH0UGH THEY ARE A C0MPLETLY DIFFERENT SPECIES. N0 0NE CAN BE THIS STUPID. A G0RILLA NEEDS LESS PR0TEIN BECAUSE THEY ARE A DIFFERENT SPECIES. JUST BECAUSE A G0RILLA BUILDS MUSCLE WITH N0 PR0TEIN D0SEN'T MEAN IT'S THE SAME F0R HUMANS.
Lol idiot, gorillas being a different species is irrelevant. We are talking about the amount of protein needed to build muscles. Gorillas needing less protein for muscle building would only be relevant is gorillas's muscles were made of less protein than Human muscles. There is no evidence of that. In fact, gorillas's muscles probably have a greater amount of protein per volume of area given that their muscle fiber density is much greater than Humans.
Damn, I am dishing out ownings left and right on this moron tonight.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Human milk is fantastic. The problem is obtaining it, and also the "yuck" factor. It has the best amino acid profile for muscle building and general anabolic growth of all bodily tissue. It also contains tons of essential fatty acids which babies need for brain growth.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
so then female Gorilla milk would be even greater.... all you need now is go Dian Fossey and find a pack of gorillas to live with in the wild ans suck off their tit milk
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I'M N0T EVEN G0ING T0 RESP0ND T0 HIM ANYM0RE. HE REALLY BELIEVES A G0RILLA AND A HUMAN HAVE THE SAME PR0TEIN NEEDS AND THEM BEING A DIFFERENT SPECIES IS IRRELEVANT. HE ALS0 THINKS BABIES AND HUMANS HAVE THE SAME PR0TEIN NEEDS. I STILL SAY HE'S TR0LLING. WHAT D0 Y0U EXPECT TH0UGH WITH A NAME LIKE SUCKMYMUSCLE. I REALLY D0N'T THINK Y0UR M0M BREASTFED Y0U.
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Assbruise.
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Humans can only create muscle growth through the process of hypertrophy. Hypertrophy is a physiological response to resistance training which causes muscle cells grow larger in size when there is an increase in the number of sarcomeres present in the myofibril. However, there is a ceiling for all human beings in that regard ( even the ones on gear). Animals on the other hand can actually regenerate new muscle cells through a process known as hyperplasia.
Hope this helps.
George, this is irrelevant insofar as the amount of protein needed to build new muscle tissue. It doesen't matter if muscle growth occurs via hypertrophy or hyperplasia. We are talking about the amount of protein needed to build muscle like the amount of bricks needed to build a house.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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I'M N0T EVEN G0ING T0 RESP0ND T0 HIM ANYM0RE. HE REALLY BELIEVES A G0RILLA AND A HUMAN HAVE THE SAME PR0TEIN NEEDS AND THEM BEING A DIFFERENT SPECIES IS IRRELEVANT. HE ALS0 THINKS BABIES AND HUMANS HAVE THE SAME PR0TEIN NEEDS. I STILL SAY HE'S TR0LLING. WHAT D0 Y0U EXPECT TH0UGH WITH A NAME LIKE SUCKMYMUSCLE. I REALLY D0N'T THINK Y0UR M0M BREASTFED Y0U.
The really sad thing is that you don't even understand why you are wrong even after reading my explanation. And the reason why you won't reply anything is because you don't understand what is being discussed and have nothing intelligent to say.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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The really sad thing is that you don't even understand why you are wrong even after reading my explanation. And the reason why you won't reply anything is because you don't understand what is being discussed and have nothing intelligent to say.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Come on sucky would seriously consider replying or even reading a post from some schmuck who types in ALL CAPS and O=0. I mean what the fuck is that? seriously...
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Come on sucky would seriously consider replying or even reading a post from some schmuck who types in ALL CAPS and O=0. I mean what the fuck is that? seriously...
I W0ULDN'T C0NSIDER REPLYING T0 A GUY WH0 THINKS THAT A G0RILLA AND A HUMAN HAVE THE SAME PR0TEIN NEEDS. THIS IS S0ME0NE WH0 IS MENTALLY CHALLENGED. IF Y0U AGREE WITH HIM THEN Y0U'RE JUST AS INSANE. FR0M Y0UR P0ST IT L00KS LIKE Y0U D0.
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Assbruise.
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Come on sucky would seriously consider replying or even reading a post from some schmuck who types in ALL CAPS and O=0. I mean what the fuck is that? seriously...
You gota love guys who get completely owned and destroyed in a debate and yet think they are winning and that you are stupid because they are incapable of even understanding why they are wrong or even what is being argued about. Here is a quote from Chris Langan that expresses what I mean:
"The fundamental problem with stupid people is that it takes an average IQ to realize that you have mediocre intelligence. Hence, the stupid person thinks he's as smart or smarter than the smart person, and therein lies their stupidity."
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I W0ULDN'T C0NSIDER REPLYING T0 A GUY WH0 THINKS THAT A G0RILLA AND A HUMAN HAVE THE SAME PR0TEIN NEEDS. THIS IS S0ME0NE WH0 IS MENTALLY CHALLENGED.
Yes, a 165 lbs Human needs less protein than a 500 lbs mountain gorilla, and an adult needs more protein than a baby who is increasing body mass by 20% a week.
How can I argue with these nuggets of wisdom? :-X
"The fundamental problem with stupid people is that it takes an average IQ to realize that you have mediocre intelligence. Hence, the stupid person thinks he's as smart or smarter than the smart person, and therein lies their stupidity."
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I am left wondering where do these people come from?? ???
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Yes, a 165 lbs Human needs less protein than a 500 lbs mountain gorilla, and an adult needs more protein than a baby who is increasing body mass by 20% a week.
How can I argue with these nuggets of wisdom? :-X
"The fundamental problem with stupid people is that it takes an average IQ to realize that you have mediocre intelligence. Hence, the stupid person thinks he's as smart or smarter than the smart person, and therein lies their stupidity."
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Maybe he meant adults need more in terms of absolute quantity, not percentage?
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Maybe he meant adults need more in terms of absolute quantity, not percentage?
ACC0RDING T0 HIM HUMANS NEED JUST 1-4 PERCENT 0F PR0TEIN T0 SUSTAIN THEIR MUSCLE MASS AND BUILD MUSCLE. EVEN TH0UGH EVERY STUDY HAS SH0WN THAT MALES NEED AT LEAST 60-75 GRAMS 0F PR0TEIN A DAY T0 ST0P MUSCLE WASTING. HE'S ALS0 TALKING 0UT 0F HIS ASS BECAUSE THERE ARE N0 STUDIES T0 BACK UP WHAT HE SAYS. IT'S BEY0ND INSANE T0 THINK THAT G0RILLAS AND HUMANS NEED THE SAME AM0UNT 0F PR0TEIN T0 BUILD MUSCLE AS G0RILLAS ARE NATURALLY BIGGER THAN HUMANS REGARDLESS 0F DIET. 1-4 PERCENT W0ULD MEAN THAT A MALE C0NSUMING 2,000 CAL0RIES A DAY W0ULD 0NLY NEED 20 GRAMS 0F PR0TEIN A DAY L0L. AN0REXIC PATIENTS EAT M0RE PR0TEIN THAN THAT. HE'S IMPLYING THAT WHAT H0LDS TRUE F0R G0RILLAS ALS0 H0LD TRUE F0R HUMANS. THE SCARY THING IS HE REALLY BELIEVES HUMANS AND G0RILLAS ARE EQUAL AND THEM BEING DIFFERENT SPECIES IS IRRELEVANT. HE FAILS T0 UNDERSTAND THAT GENETICS AND DNA PLAYS A R0LE 0N H0W BIG A SPECIES CAN GET REGARDLESS 0F DIET.
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Maybe he meant adults need more in terms of absolute quantity, not percentage?
We are discussing what is needed to build new muscle and not what is required to support your lean muscle mass. Obviously an adult needs more in absolute terms since he has a lot more muscle in absolute terms. The amount needed to build muscle doesen't vary. A pound of adult muscle contains the same amount of protein as a pound of baby muscle. The point is that you need very little protein above what is required to maintain nitrogen balance to build new muscle. Most studies suggest 0.25 to 0.3 grams of protein to maintain.
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IT'S BEY0ND INSANE T0 THINK THAT G0RILLAS AND HUMANS NEED THE SAME AM0UNT 0F PR0TEIN T0 BUILD MUSCLE AS G0RILLAS ARE NATURALLY BIGGER THAN HUMANS REGARDLESS 0F DIET.
And how do they get bigger than Humans, idiot? By building less muscle? :-X So basically, a 500 lbs gorilla needs less protein than a 180 lbs Human? Because this is what you are saying, dummy. Otherwise, the gorilla wouldn't be able to maintain it's huge muscle mass on leaves which contain very little protein. How can I argue with such colossal stupidity?
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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And how do they get bigger than Humans, idiot?
SUCKMYMUSCLE
THEIR GENETICS ARE DIFFERENT. IT HAS N0THING T0 D0 WITH PR0TEIN INTAKE. THEY ARE NATURALLY BIGGER THAN HUMANS REGARDLESS 0F DIET. THE SAME WAY THAT M0ST ANIMALS ARE BIGGER AND STR0NGER THAN HUMANS. Y0U KN0W DNA AND GENETICS.
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THEIR GENETICS ARE DIFFERENT. IT HAS N0THING T0 D0 WITH PR0TEIN INTAKE. THEY ARE NATURALLY BIGGER THAN HUMANS REGARDLESS 0F DIET. THE SAME WAY THAT M0ST ANIMALS ARE BIGGER AND STR0NGER THAN HUMANS. Y0U KN0W DNA AND GENETICS.
I'll try to explain what I mean for the last time. Yes, gorillas are bigger than Humans because of genetics. Nevertheless, your genes do not change the amount of protein needed to build a pound of muscle. This is stable and does not vary. So gorillas wouldn't be able to build 500 lbs of muscle, with their genes or other, on their low protein diet if the amount of protein required to build and maintain their huge muscle mass were greater than what their diet provides. Do you understand now?
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I'll try to explain what I mean for the last time. Yes, gorillas are bigger than Humans because of genetics. Nevertheless, your genes do not change the amount of protein needed to build a pound of muscle. This is stable and does not vary. So gorillas wouldn't be able to build 500 lbs of muscle, with their genes or other, on their low protein diet if the amount of protein required to build and maintain their huge muscle mass were greater than what their diet provides. Do you understand now?
SUCKMYMUSCLE
THE GENES 0F A G0RILLA AND A HUMAN ARE DIFFERENT. G0RILLAS ARE N0T HUMANS. IN Y0UR P0ST Y0U SAY Y0UR GENES D0 N0T CHANGE AND THIS IS STABLE AND THEN G0 0N T0 USE G0RILLAS AS AN EXAMPLE. Y0U CANN0T C0MPARE THE TW0. I DISAGREE WITH Y0UR INSANE THE0RY THAT HUMANS NEED 4 PERCENT 0F DAILY PR0TEIN. IT IS BR0SCIENCE AT IT'S BEST BECAUSE EVERY STUDY DISAGREES WITH Y0U. A 2,000 CAL0RIE DIET THIS W0ULD MEAN 20 GRAMS 0F PR0TEIN. ALS0 CARBS ARE N0T AN ESSENTIAL NUTRIENT T0 SUSTAIN LIFE BUT PR0TEIN AND FAT IS. 1 GRAM 0F PR0TEIN PER LB 0F LEAN MUSCLE MASS IS 0PTIMAL F0R HEALTH. 50-75 IS T00 L0W F0R ADULTS.
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THE GENES 0F A G0RILLA AND A HUMAN ARE DIFFERENT. G0RILLAS ARE N0T HUMANS. IN Y0UR P0ST Y0U SAY Y0UR GENES D0 N0T CHANGE AND THIS IS STABLE AND THEN G0 0N T0 USE G0RILLAS AS AN EXAMPLE. Y0U CANN0T C0MPARE THE TW0. I DISAGREE WITH Y0UR INSANE THE0RY THAT HUMANS NEED 4 PERCENT 0F DAILY PR0TEIN. IT IS BR0SCIENCE AT IT'S BEST BECAUSE EVERY STUDY DISAGREES WITH Y0U. A 2,000 CAL0RIE DIET THIS W0ULD MEAN 20 GRAMS 0F PR0TEIN. ALS0 CARBS ARE N0T AN ESSENTIAL NUTRIENT T0 SUSTAIN LIFE BUT PR0TEIN AND FAT IS. 1 GRAM 0F PR0TEIN PER LB 0F LEAN MUSCLE MASS IS 0PTIMAL F0R HEALTH. 50-75 IS T00 L0W F0R ADULTS.
I give up. You are obviously mentally incapble of understanding what I'm saying. You completely misread everything I wrote. I hope someone with better reading comprehension will explain to you what I meant because I really don't have the patience for it.
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You just need a tic tac size piece of protien per 4 months to maintain 350+ shredded pounds with abbs. Bbuilding is easy
So your suggestion is upright rows and 10 grams of protein a day and Protan = jacked and tanned?
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"Suckmymuscle" once claimed, and tried to use science and logic to support, that decline barbell bench press is a harder movement than incline lol. He obviously does not have much or any lifting experience, so anything he says related to bodybuilding can be dismissed.
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"Suckmymuscle" once claimed, and tried to use science and logic to support, that decline barbell bench press is a harder movement than incline lol. He obviously does not have much or any lifting experience, so anything he says related to bodybuilding can be dismissed.
And you tried to claim Nasser(0 Sandows) was a better bodybuilder than Dorian(6 Sandows). What do you know about bodybuilding?
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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And you tried to claim Nasser(0 Sandows) was a better bodybuilder than Dorian(6 Sandows). What do you know about bodybuilding?
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Your example is one of opinion, mine is one of fact. So you're still insisting that decline bench press is harder than incline with a bar? lol.
Why not just actually go inside a gym for a change and try both exercises?
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Your example is one of opinion, mine is one of fact. So you're still insisting that decline bench press is harder than incline with a bar? lol.
Right...it is my opinion that Dorian has 6 Sandows compared to Nasser's 0, huh?
As for the decline bench press, it mobilizes the most pectoral muscle mass, and thus is more effective than the incline one. The incline one might be harder because it involves less the pecs and more the front delts and triceps which are smaller muscles, hence the same weight might feel heavier on the incline than on the decline. But the issue is effectiveness for pec development, and the decline is more effective.
Why not just actually go inside a gym for a change and try both exercises?
Trust me, towel head: I have forgotten more kinesiology than you've ever known.
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Right, so a Human adult needs more protein than a growing baby who increases body mass by as much as 20% per week? For fuck sake, man, you are in the running with Johnny Falcon for the title of dumbest mofo on Getbig. Congrats! :D
You = retarded :P
SUCKMYMUSCLE
no you re the dumb fuck, you need more protein to maintain 80kg than a baby needs to grow a couple of pounds. think for a second
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Right...it is my opinion that Dorian has 6 Sandows compared to Nasser's 0, huh?
As for the decline bench press, it mobilizes the most pectoral muscle mass, and thus is more effective than the incline one. The incline one might be harder because it involves less the pecs and more the front delts and triceps which are smaller muscles, hence the same weight might feel heavier on the incline than on the decline. But the issue is effectiveness for pec development, and the decline is more effective.
Trust me, towel head: I have forgotten more kinesiology than you've ever known.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
lol I see you took back your old statement on decline being harder than incline bench, even though you tried to surround it with random jargon to make it appear that you were discussing effectiveness and not difficulty of the actual movement. Oh well, at least it shows some progress on your part, sort of.
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no you re the dumb fuck, you need more protein to maintain 80kg than a baby needs to grow a couple of pounds. think for a second
Where have I claimed that a baby needs more protein in absolute terms than an adult? Show me...my point is that you don't need a lot of protein to build new muscle, since a baby builds up to two pounds of new tissue a week eating about 10 grams of protein a day. How do you explain that it can build so much new muscle, organ and connective tissue with so little protein? Riddle me that?
Suppose that you need 0.3 grams to maintain nitrogen balance, like most of the scientific studies suggest, and that a 5 lbs baby gets 10 grams of protein from mother's milk a day. That means it is using 1.5 of the grams of protein to maintain it's current body mass, and it is building those 2 lbs of new tissue in a week from 8.5 grams of excess protein a day. So this means that a 180 lbs male needs 68.5 grams of protein a day to gain two pounds of lean muscle a week.
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Because the bodyybuilding media has lied about protein needs. Even growing babies, which are building not merely new muscle tissue but also organ tissue and connective tissue, all of which require protein, do that on mother's milk which is about only 1% of protein per weight! Sure, very high quality protein, but it still composes only about 1% to 4% of their total caloric intake. Most of the scientific papers I've read suggest that Humans need only 0.25 to 0.3 grams of protein per pound of bodyweight for nitrogen retention. And these studies were done with severe burn victims who need more protein than average people. The argument that bodybuilders need more because they are building muscle is ridiculous because the amount of muscle build on a daily basis is very small. It's not like you're gaining several pounds of new tissue per week like a baby, and babies do that with a diet of only 1-4% protein! This website is right on the money....
http://www.google.com.br/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CBgQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gorillaprotein.com%2F&ei=GmzkTcSiOqb00gHkvvGKBw&usg=AFQjCNGWO7554OD-szQJ1u-mUSciOP9dSA (http://www.google.com.br/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CBgQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gorillaprotein.com%2F&ei=GmzkTcSiOqb00gHkvvGKBw&usg=AFQjCNGWO7554OD-szQJ1u-mUSciOP9dSA)
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So why don't you, rather than slobber about it, just try it in to practice? Just go to zero protein diet and let see how your muscles grow. Be the gorilla, eat weed and water for few month, and let see how much muscle mass you gain from it. Instead of reading all the crap what you can find without understanding any of it, you should just keep it simple. Go to gym, eat you meals, grow. What you seem to lost in this matter, is that gorillas doesn't need to grow extra muscle mass to please his ego like humans need to do, it is what it is by genetics. If you get gorilla in to the gym, it doesn't grow any extra mass just by working out, if it doesn't eat more than usually. You silly whale doesn't understand that most of the people grow like gorillas, they eat what they get, go to school, go to work but doesn't work out, so they be what they are. Overweight geeks, scrawny pencil necks, all kind BUT muscular superman's. Of course there is also some muscular ordinary people by their genetics, but if you don't be lucky enough to be one of them, there isn't much to do. Be what you are or go to gym, learn how to eat to gain muscle mass and work out. What you fuckers need to understand is simplicity of bodybuilding. You need weights, you need food and time, and the knowledge how to take all out from your muscle, and that's it. Everything else is futile crap for selling you some idiotic principles and diets and shit what don't need, but which you must pay top dollars one way or another.
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True.....I don't eat any more protein than the average person, it's all fucking bullshit.
It's always blew my mind how stupid people were that they couldn't connect the dots that the people telling you to eat a shitload of protein were the people SELLING the protein...LOLOL
For the most part you do only need moderate protein. Carbs and (healthy) fats are also very important.
A few things will make a difference- enhanced protein synthesis due to training or drug usage, enhanced nitrogen retention (again from steroids) and genetics.
Basically a natural doesn't really need more than 1 gram per lb of bodyweight. On enough juice 2 grams and up to 3 can be utilized...
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your boyfriends loads feed you enuf
good post tho
cows huge on grass as horses
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Basically a natural doesn't really need more than 1 gram per lb of bodyweight.
My whole point with this thread is that you only need 0.25 grams per pound of bodyweight to maintain a positive nitrogen balance, plus an extra few grams a day for growth.
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Grass and myostatin, it's the only way to grow
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My whole point with this thread is that you only need 0.25 grams per pound of bodyweight to maintain a positive nitrogen balance, plus an extra few grams a day for growth.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
I'm 240 pounds so you're saying I need only around 60-70 grams of protein a day to build and maintain?
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Babies don't develop 1kg of lean mass per week... most of the weight they gain is fat and water...
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My whole point with this thread is that you only need 0.25 grams per pound of bodyweight to maintain a positive nitrogen balance, plus an extra few grams a day for growth.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
I think that is low, and highly individual specific. Like, some might do ok with that amount while for others it is too low.
I will say this- I ate MEGA protein for YEARS and was always fat and bloated. I was also told PROTEIN CAN'T TURN INTO FAT!!!
BULLSHIT!!!
My body NEVER looked better than after I dropped the protein shakes and stuck with whole food. In the process I dropped protein consumption by 40% at least. And what happened? I lost bloat and leaned out while retaining muscle.
I do believe the protein sparing effects of carbohydrate are badly misunderstood and not talked about enough. Also protein spillover turns to fat at an ALARMING rate.
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I think that is low, and highly individual specific. Like, some might do ok with that amount while for others it is too low.
I will say this- I ate MEGA protein for YEARS and was always fat and bloated. I was also told PROTEIN CAN'T TURN INTO FAT!!!
BULLSHIT!!!
My body NEVER looked better than after I dropped the protein shakes and stuck with whole food. In the process I dropped protein consumption by 40% at least. And what happened? I lost bloat and leaned out while retaining muscle.
I do believe the protein sparing effects of carbohydrate are badly misunderstood and not talked about enough. Also protein spillover turns to fat at an ALARMING rate.
I can't agree with you more! I noticed the exact same thing.
I used to think I looked bloated, especially in my face, from the creatine I was using but it was the Whey Protein!
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I can't agree with you more! I noticed the exact same thing.
I used to think I looked bloated, especially in my face, from the creatine I was using but it was the Whey Protein!
Yup whey easily converts to sugar in your blood. Big reason why shakes are a big no no on keto diets.
I haven't had a shake in a good 4-5 years, and never looked better.
Side note- I ran a Max Muscle for 4 years, and can honestly tell you these guys are only out to make a buck. I think we, the bodybuilding crowd, figured this out when pro after pro admitted he did not drink shakes hardly ever. Personally I think they SUCK and do not even build muscle.
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hmm. You guys gonna make me sling my last bit of whey straight in the bin.
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Regarding decline presses.......the only time it is an effective pec exercise is when it`s done to the neck/throat area..............otherw ise they suck,just an ego lift.
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I never had any problem with whey.
I love the taste of protein shakes, especially when i'm on a diet. Some sweet stuff, with protein in it, very convenient.
No bloat, no stomach problems.
When i try to get all my protein from food, i feel stuffed and full all day, whey doesn't do that, it regulates the intenstines so i feel much better.
I really don't know why everyone is always bitching about whey, it's a great supplement.
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Yup whey easily converts to sugar in your blood. Big reason why shakes are a big no no on keto diets.
I haven't had a shake in a good 4-5 years, and never looked better.
Side note- I ran a Max Muscle for 4 years, and can honestly tell you these guys are only out to make a buck. I think we, the bodybuilding crowd, figured this out when pro after pro admitted he did not drink shakes hardly ever. Personally I think they SUCK and do not even build muscle.
It's not that easy...protein is carried to the liver where it is converted into glucose via a process called gluconeogenesis. This drains a lot of energy from the body. People who eat too much protein are always tired because the conversion process of protein into glucose requires a lot of bodily energy, and also because the nitrosamines from protein gets stored into skeletal muscles impairing clearage of lactic acid not to mention that the breakdown products of protein, like ammonia and uric acid, are protoplasmic poisons that must be cleared from the body. Many physiologists believe that a high protein diet might raise mortality even more than a diet high in saturated fats. Eating 500 grams of protein a day might actually kill you. Not due to kidney damage, as the kidneys take years or at least months to collapse, but due to poisoning. If enough ammonia builds up in your bloodstream to a higher rate than the body can flush it out, you can die. Most of Greg Kovac's health problems were caused not by anabolic steroids but by his ridiculous 1,000 grams of protein a day diet. He got so sick that he looked like a cancer victim.
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One of the things the muscle magazines never mention is that protein is a very powerful supressor of testosterone. Men who eat high protein diets have the lowest plasma levels of testosterone. The reason for this is that it takes more calories to process protein and eliminate it's metabolites than there are calories in protein, so you end up with a caloric deficit if you eat too much protein. The best diet for testosterone is one rich in fats, followed by carbs and with the lowest amount of protein. The monoinsaturated fatty acid, oleic acid, seems particularly powerful in increasing testosterone. Olives and pistachios are great for raising testosterone level.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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One of the things the muscle magazines never mention is that protein is a very powerful supressor of testosterone. Men who eat high protein diets have the lowest plasma levels of testosterone. The reason for this is that it takes more calories to process protein and eliminate it's metabolites than there are calories in protein, so you end up with a caloric deficit if you eat too much protein. The best diet for testosterone is one rich in fats, followed by carbs and with the lowest amount of protein. The monoinsaturated fatty acid, oleic acid, seems particularly powerful in increasing testosterone. Olives and pistachios are great for raising testosterone level.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
I remember reading a study that claimed that the best diet for high test levels was high carbs and low amounts of protein.
And that high protein, low carbs, lowered testosterone.
From personal experience, I agree with this.
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I can't agree with you more! I noticed the exact same thing.
I used to think I looked bloated, especially in my face, from the creatine I was using but it was the Whey Protein!
I will have to agree as well. I think its self explanatory that shakes can never ever replace real whole foods. The times I have run out of protein powder and just had to rely on whole foods, I immideatly noticed the difference in a positive way. However, with quality protein powders such as ON`s 100% whey, I feel they are really convenient at times when you just dont have the time and energy to make and consume whole foods. I also feel that by using shakes, it takes away a lot of stress and energy by preparing whole foods all the time, ESPECIALLY on a diet where you have to plan and make your food everyday for the next day. But imo, the only time when a proteinshake is really needed, is right after you`ve finished your workout - and you need a fast absorbing protein source. I also think they are great during the middle of the night when you have to pee, and you can just throw down a quick shake to keep the musclebuilding/maintaining going.
As for how much protein you need to build/maintain muscle, I agree with everyone else that says eating too much protein is overrated. I can get by just fine with a normal healthy diet without any big numbers of protein.. Balance is the key to everything in life, overdoing stuff doesnt necessary make things any better.
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Where have I claimed that a baby needs more protein in absolute terms than an adult? Show me...my point is that you don't need a lot of protein to build new muscle, since a baby builds up to two pounds of new tissue a week eating about 10 grams of protein a day. How do you explain that it can build so much new muscle, organ and connective tissue with so little protein? Riddle me that?
Suppose that you need 0.3 grams to maintain nitrogen balance, like most of the scientific studies suggest, and that a 5 lbs baby gets 10 grams of protein from mother's milk a day. That means it is using 1.5 of the grams of protein to maintain it's current body mass, and it is building those 2 lbs of new tissue in a week from 8.5 grams of excess protein a day. So this means that a 180 lbs male needs 68.5 grams of protein a day to gain two pounds of lean muscle a week.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
because as a baby you re designed to grow easy, when you grow up you become hardgainer you dig
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I think that is low, and highly individual specific. Like, some might do ok with that amount while for others it is too low.
I will say this- I ate MEGA protein for YEARS and was always fat and bloated. I was also told PROTEIN CAN'T TURN INTO FAT!!!
BULLSHIT!!!
My body NEVER looked better than after I dropped the protein shakes and stuck with whole food. In the process I dropped protein consumption by 40% at least. And what happened? I lost bloat and leaned out while retaining muscle.
I do believe the protein sparing effects of carbohydrate are badly misunderstood and not talked about enough. Also protein spillover turns to fat at an ALARMING rate.
Same here, I experienced the exact same thing.
Also high protein always got me fat and bloated, while high carbs don't. I know its weird since both have the same calories, but that's what happens to me. Plus, I felt like shit eating too much protein.
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George, this is irrelevant insofar as the amount of protein needed to build new muscle tissue. It doesen't matter if muscle growth occurs via hypertrophy or hyperplasia. We are talking about the amount of protein needed to build muscle like the amount of bricks needed to build a house.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
My point is that animals are at a natural advantage over human beings regardless of protein intake. Human beings can only increase the size of their muscles. Animals can generate new muscle cells. It is because of this difference in physiology that no human being ( even juiced to the gills) will ever equal a gorilla in size or strength. Have you ever seen a gorilla eat chicken or steak? Gorillas eat bananas and receive sustenance from plants and other low protein sources. Little to no protein intake = Gorilla's are still massive beasts
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Same here, I experienced the exact same thing.
Also high protein always got me fat and bloated, while high carbs don't. I know its weird since both have the same calories, but that's what happens to me. Plus, I felt like shit eating too much protein.
I think you guys probably didn't take a WPI but a concentrate, which can be high in lactose.
When you drink a lot of that, you can bloat or get stomach issues.
Always try to get a WPI, it's much better.
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My whole point with this thread is that you only need 0.25 grams per pound of bodyweight to maintain a positive nitrogen balance, plus an extra few grams a day for growth.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
SH0W ME 0NE STUDY THAT SAYS THIS IS TRUE. THE 0PTIMAL PR0TEIN D0SAGE HAS BEEN SH0WN T0 BE AT 0NE GRAM PER LB 0F LEAN MUSCLE MASS D0NE BY PETER LEM0N THE T0P SCIENTIST IN PR0TEIN RESEARCH AND THE GUY THAT INTERVIEWED HIM WAS MY ENGLISH TEACHER. JUST BECAUSE Y0U SAY IT'S TRUE D0SEN'T MAKE IT A FACT S0RRY.
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Where have I claimed that a baby needs more protein in absolute terms than an adult? Show me...my point is that you don't need a lot of protein to build new muscle, since a baby builds up to two pounds of new tissue a week eating about 10 grams of protein a day. How do you explain that it can build so much new muscle, organ and connective tissue with so little protein? Riddle me that?
Suppose that you need 0.3 grams to maintain nitrogen balance, like most of the scientific studies suggest, and that a 5 lbs baby gets 10 grams of protein from mother's milk a day. That means it is using 1.5 of the grams of protein to maintain it's current body mass, and it is building those 2 lbs of new tissue in a week from 8.5 grams of excess protein a day. So this means that a 180 lbs male needs 68.5 grams of protein a day to gain two pounds of lean muscle a week.
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Dude.. just post you pics of yourself 12 months after maintaining the same intensity level of training at 0.30g of protein/1lb bodyweight (that'd be 60g for a 180lb guy) and we'll see what you're looking like. You may look "lean" because of starvation, but I'll bet your muscles will be "water soft" like most the comparititive black subjects metioned in this thread
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I'd like to also add that humans have exceeded other species due to our massive dome and its intelligence, not our brute strength and size. As I tell people all the time; we're fighting nature in our quest for size and strength. True survival situations dont generally benefit the "lean and ripped" out there, but the small and slightly fat. So eat train heavy and hard and eat your protein if you want exceptional mass. To go about this otherwise is just futile and a waste of time. Unless of course you "natually have it" then forget what I just said.
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My point is that animals are at a natural advantage over human beings regardless of protein intake. Human beings can only increase the size of their muscles. Animals can generate new muscle cells. It is because of this difference in physiology that no human being ( even juiced to the gills) will ever equal a gorilla in size or strength. Have you ever seen a gorilla eat chicken or steak? Gorillas eat bananas and receive sustenance from plants and other low protein sources. Little to no protein intake = Gorilla's are still massive beasts
George, you are intelligent and I respect you. Listen to me. I am not arguing that gorillas have much bigger muscles than Human because they are genetically superior for building muscle than Humans. My point is that the amount of protein needed to make a new pound of muscle in a gorilla is the same in the Human. The mechanism doesen't matter. That is, if 1 gram of protein per pound of muscle were required to maintain that muscle mass and build more, then the gorilla wouldn't be able to build muscle despite it's genetics since it doesen't get that much protein from it's diet of leaves, oat and bark. If that is what is required to build muscle and you gave a Human that amount and the gorilla less, than the Human would gain muscle and the gorilla would lose muscle despite it's much better genetics for muscle gain. The reason why the gorilla has much bigger muscles than the Human is because it has genes that code for more synthesis of protein than the Human, and not because the gorilla utilizes protein more efficiently and thus can get more from less. The amount of protein needed to maintain and build muscle is not affected by genetics. So if a gorilla can build that 500 lbs muscular physique with about 0.25 gram of protein per pound of bodyweight, then a Human should have no problem building a 250 lbs muscular physique or as big as his genetics will allow on the same protein intake.
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George, you are intelligent and I respect you. Listen to me. I am not arguing that gorillas have much bigger muscles than Human because they are genetically superior for building muscle than Humans. My point is that the amount of protein needed to make a new pound of muscle in a gorilla is the same in the Human. The mechanism doesen't matter. That is, if 1 gram of protein per pound of muscle were required to maintain that muscle mass and build more, then the gorilla wouldn't be able to build muscle despite it's genetics since it doesen't get that much protein from it's diet of leaves, oat and bark. If that is what is required to build muscle and you gave a Human that amount and the gorilla less, than the Human would gain muscle and the gorilla would lose muscle despite it's much better genetics for muscle gain. The reason why the gorilla has much bigger muscles than the Human is because it has genes that code for more synthesis of protein than the Human, and not because the gorilla utilizes protein more efficiently and thus can get more from less. The amount of protein needed to maintain and build muscle is not affected by genetics. So if a gorilla can build that 500 lbs muscular physique with about 0.25 gram of protein per pound of bodyweight, then a Human should have no problem building a 250 lbs muscular physique or as big as his genetics will allow on the same protein intake.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
I would like to see someone do this. Until then, it is just hard to believe.
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gorilla protein, straight from the tap?
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gorilla protein, straight from the tap?
Epic projection of his own homosexuality.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Epic projection of his own homosexuality.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
so youre saying youre not gay if tho you get you protein straight for the tap? ???
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George, you are intelligent and I respect you. Listen to me. I am not arguing that gorillas have much bigger muscles than Human because they are genetically superior for building muscle than Humans. My point is that the amount of protein needed to make a new pound of muscle in a gorilla is the same in the Human. The mechanism doesen't matter. That is, if 1 gram of protein per pound of muscle were required to maintain that muscle mass and build more, then the gorilla wouldn't be able to build muscle despite it's genetics since it doesen't get that much protein from it's diet of leaves, oat and bark. If that is what is required to build muscle and you gave a Human that amount and the gorilla less, than the Human would gain muscle and the gorilla would lose muscle despite it's much better genetics for muscle gain. The reason why the gorilla has much bigger muscles than the Human is because it has genes that code for more synthesis of protein than the Human, and not because the gorilla utilizes protein more efficiently and thus can get more from less. The amount of protein needed to maintain and build muscle is not affected by genetics. So if a gorilla can build that 500 lbs muscular physique with about 0.25 gram of protein per pound of bodyweight, then a Human should have no problem building a 250 lbs muscular physique or as big as his genetics will allow on the same protein intake.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
So what you are trying to say is that Gorillas have better Genetics to create muscle mass off of a limited protein diet compared to humans. No shit Sherlock ::)
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I'm beginning to think that genetics is the biggest component. Pros can handle the gear necessary to grow as much as they do. And response to gear is genetic. Response to gear, structure, muscle attachment sites, etc, are all genetic.
Is Ronnie really out there doing anything fancy to maintain his size? My guess is that he just eats more or less like a normal person with an extra shake or two thrown in and trains for fun.
I think we all have a friend or two who maintains pretty good size and seemingly follows no special diet at all but know other friends who follow bodybuilding rules to the letter with exactly X grams of protein per day [based on body weight] and yet don't have much size. I think if you follow the big picture by training hard and eating right you will grow as your genetics allow. Following the exact details to the letter I'm not sure make much of a difference unless you are literally weeks or days out from a show when little details start to matter a lot more.
Ronnie eats out 3 times a day. And people that see him say he always orders two steaks or two large chicken breast etc. So two steaks alone is usually close to 2 pounds of beef. And if hes doing this 3 times a day? Thats upwards of 6 pounds of meat in only 3 meals. He like most pros don't drink shakes. They drink liquid egg whites. ;)
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I would like to see someone do this. Until then, it is just hard to believe.
Humans have a hard time breaking down a lot of the regular food they eat. I'm guessing the human intestinal tract is many years away from breaking down hundreds of pounds of tree bark.
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Many inner-city black youths eat that. They also eat noodles with mayonnaise, rice with ketchup and chicken noodle soup with a coke on the side.
Growing up in the inner city exposed me to many hidden recipes for GOOD food.
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If you want to know the diet of the greatest football/basketball athletes we have seen, mostly southern U.S. black males, it consists of collard greens, Kool aid drinks, sweet potatoes (much of it in pie form), and fried chickens
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For the most part you do only need moderate protein. Carbs and (healthy) fats are also very important.
A few things will make a difference- enhanced protein synthesis due to training or drug usage, enhanced nitrogen retention (again from steroids) and genetics.
Basically a natural doesn't really need more than 1 gram per lb of bodyweight. On enough juice 2 grams and up to 3 can be utilized...
Quote from Chuck Sipes - "Why do you think horses are so big and muscular, eating all that grain."
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So what you are trying to say is that Gorillas have better Genetics to create muscle mass off of a limited protein diet compared to humans. No shit Sherlock.
The irony is lost on me. What I am saying is that gorillas and Humans will become as big as they can on the same 0.25 gram of protein per pound of bodyweight a day. So all a Human need to get as big as he can is this amount of protein, and eating more won't foster greater gains.
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