i always love how fat people take a big menu at some fast food restaurant BUT a diet coke ;D they have to think of weight loss tooFuck I do that too sometimes.... :-\ :-\
My waistline fluctuates between 30 and 34 inches, and I don't have any chronic deceases such as diabetes. According to this study, my waistline should be 60 inches by now and I should be a dying diabetic.
For years I've been consuming products with artificial sweeteners(protein powder, diet fruit juice, diet cocoa powder, crystal light, diet coke, coffee with Splenda, etc.) I even consumed these during contest prep and never had any problems getting lean.
They're messing up your brain though. :-X
They're messing up your brain though. :-XFalse.
False.
I say it's nonsense.Treat? I`d rather drink Pepsi Max than water as the water contained therein is triple filtered and incredibly pure. In fact, I drink around 8-12 a day and water only sometimes.
If you have the discipline to not stray away from your diet, diet soda can be a great treat.
"1"
I was joking because he misspelled the word disease. It obviously does nothing bad to ones health.
Brilliant ::)
JP_RC. Sorry, I meant to post that in reply to TA's dumbass post. My apologies
It's not the diet soda that makes you fat......I think what that report doesn't say is that people who rely heavily on Diet Sodas tend to not concentrate on what they eat
it's the whole "I'll have a Double Big Mac, SuperSize Fries and a Diet Sprite" argument
Treat? I`d rather drink Pepsi Max than water as the water contained therein is triple filtered and incredibly pure. In fact, I drink around 8-12 a day and water only sometimes.
I know that Pepsi reincorporated in North Carolina and was originally from Delaware, but I have always been under the impression that a true southern gentleman drank Coca-Cola and that Pepsi was for the "undesirables". Perhaps my outlook is antiquated.
I know that Pepsi reincorporated in North Carolina and was originally from Delaware, but I have always been under the impression that a true southern gentleman drank Coca-Cola and that Pepsi was for the "undesirables". Perhaps my outlook is antiquated.Pepsi was born in New Bern, NC in 1898 and not from Delaware. Coca-Cola is the drink of Yankees.
Pepsi was born in New Bern, NC in 1898 and not from Delaware. Coca-Cola is the drink of Yankees.
What makes it the drink of Yankees? I am pretty sure that Coke was made in Mississippi or Atlanta, Georgia. What do you constitute as a yankee? ???I was being facetious.
Drinking a diet soda actually works as an appetite suppressant in my experience.
diet soda's are worse for you all the way around.I don't believe that shit.
my best friends daughter interned for a major medical research institute while in medical school. she worked in a department speciallizing in the research between regular soda and diet soda ingrediants. Long story short: regular soda is better for you than diet soda. And nobody should drink any kind of soda.
Soda is great when you're hungover.
The only postulated theory as to why you get fatter is because your brain is tricked into eating more.Americans think more is better, this study uses the word "tricked", which people will think: "it's not my fault, I was tricked.", thus meaning that the responsibility of their eating habits doesn't lie with them. I can go McDonald's, Wendy's, Burgerking and go to Subway or go to the market and get a healthy dish...why can't fat people do the same? Well, because they have been "tricked". And if I do go to a fast food place, I don't get soda...
Maybe for the average fatso, that holds true.
But if you have a modicum of intelligence and follow a diet plan, how do you overeat? Just follow the plan, and get the calories you're supposed to. And therein lies the benefit of sugar-free sodas/drinks - you get all the taste, none of the calories.
If you figure you can have an extra big mac because you didn't have a coke classic, then yes, you deserve to be fat because you take no responsibility for what goes into your gullet.
Bodybuilders have known this for years. But no one wants to do no heavy assed dieting!
It's nonsense to say diet soda can make you fat. I've dieted for shows and kept diet soda in the mix until about 5 days out. The only reason I don't touch the diet stuff anymore is because of the aspertame.You do realize that is irrational. There is nothing wrong whatsoever with aspartame.
Pepsi was born in New Bern, NC in 1898 and not from Delaware. Coca-Cola is the drink of Yankees.
You do realize that is irrational. There is nothing wrong whatsoever with aspartame.I agree
Oh damn, "the coach" didn't think it was funny, what am I going to do?
::) ::) ::)
You do realize that is irrational. There is nothing wrong whatsoever with aspartame.
a midget's opinion means nothing. Seriously I like Twister though he knows his stuff...just is picky about what to share :-X
How can something that provides ZERO calories be of no benefit to dieters? It's like the logic of voodoo economics...take in less revenue and somehow you'll end up with more money. ::)
There may be something to diet soda increasing appetite, but you just have to watch for a change in your eating habits. If you're drinking zero calorie soda and then pigging out on lot's of food, OF COURSE you are going to gain weight.
Now you're sounding much smarter than what most of these guys pan you out to be.I'm not one to toot my own horn in real life, but since this is getbig..."Most of these guys" offering their opinion on me are complete idiots and butthurt racists with half the education and even less of the success in life that I've achieved. Consider the sources, bud. ;)
I agree with benny here..
"1"
How can something that provides ZERO calories be of no benefit to dieters? It's like the logic of voodoo economics...take in less revenue and somehow you'll end up with more money. ::)
There may be something to diet soda increasing appetite, but you just have to watch for a change in your eating habits. If you're drinking zero calorie soda and then pigging out on lot's of food, OF COURSE you are going to gain weight.
Studies: Why Diet Sodas Are No Benefit to DietersBy Meredith Melnick
http://healthland.time.com/2011/06/29/studies-why-diet-sodas-are-no-boon-to-dieters/?hpt=he_c2 (http://healthland.time.com/2011/06/29/studies-why-diet-sodas-are-no-boon-to-dieters/?hpt=he_c2)
More bad news, diet soda drinkers: data presented recently at the American Diabetes Association's (ADA) Scientific Sessions suggest that diet drinks may actually contribute to weight gain and that the artificial sweeteners in them could potentially contribute Type 2 diabetes.
In one study, researchers from the School of Medicine at The University of Texas Health Science Center San Antonio, looked at aggregate data from 474 older adults in the San Antonio Longitudinal Study of Aging, or SALSA. At the time of enrollment and at three follow-up exams thereafter, all participants reported their diet soda intake and were measured for height, weight and waist circumference. The researchers wanted to track any association between diet soda drinking and body fat over time.
What they found was that all participants saw their waistlines expand, but those who reported drinking diet soda had 70% greater increases in waistline growth than non-drinkers 9.5 years later. Among frequent drinkers — those who consumed two or more diet sodas a day — waistline growth was 500% greater than among non-drinkers. Researchers said their results were adjusted for other contributing factors like diabetes status, leisure-time physical activity level and age.
MORE: Study: How 'Fake' Fats Can Make You Really Fat
The data didn't say why diet sodas might play a role in weight gain, but previous research suggests it has to do with the disconnect between the taste of artificial sugars and their lack of calories. The brain is wired to expect a big load of calories when foods taste sweet or fatty. But because diet foods fail to deliver, it throws the brain out of whack. Studies in animals suggest that artificial sweetener consumption may lead to even more eating and weight gain, perhaps in part because it triggers the body to start storing more calories as fat.
Excess weight, especially around the belly, as measured in the SALSA participants, is a risk factor for a variety of ills, including cardiovascular disease and diabetes.
In another study presented at the ADA meeting, researchers found an association between consumption of aspartame, an artificial sweetener found in many diet drinks, and elevated fasting glucose levels in mice.
The researchers, also from the School of Medicine at The University of Texas Health Science Center San Antonio, fed 40 mice their typical chow with added corn oil (to make the diet high-fat). For the half the mice, researchers also added aspartame to their food. After three months, researchers found that the mice in the aspartame group had elevated fasting glucose levels, an indication of a diabetic or pre-diabetic condition.
LIST: 5 Highlights From the 'Toxic Sugar' Video
Of course, the findings aren't directly translatable to humans, but the researchers think they're still meaningful. "These results suggest that heavy aspartame exposure might potentially directly contribute to increased blood glucose levels, and thus contribute to the associations observed between diet soda consumption and the risk of diabetes in humans," said Dr. Gabriel Fernandes, a University of Texas professor of rheumatology and clinical immunology, in a statement.
Maybe it's time to switch to water.
Whenever I get into serious dieting, I always switch to diet soda (the likes of Coke Zero or Diet Dr. Pepper) and it substitutes my regular sodas just fine. As a matter of fact, they have a filling effect on me and can keep me from consuming other crap filled with calories.
Discuss..
"1"
Oh damn, "the coach" didn't think it was funny, what am I going to do?Try suicide.
::) ::) ::)
BTW, studies have been around like this for years, this is just resurrected. Years ago I had a debate with people on here. Some people understood and got while others just called me names. (what else is new ::))
You do realize that is irrational. There is nothing wrong whatsoever with aspartame.
Water, thee, and 1 or 2 glasses of whine. Trying to drink less coffee.You would be doing yourself a better favor health wise if you increased the coffee consumption.
There are a number of health issues that can be linked directly to the use of aspertame. When I was drinking diet pepsi and crystal light I started to get frequent headaches and eventually migraines almost everyday. I cut the aspertame out completely and my headaches were gone within days.
BTW, studies have been around like this for years, this is just resurrected. Years ago I had a debate with people on here. Some people understood and got while others just called me names. (what else is new ::))
It's nonsense to say diet soda can make you fat. I've dieted for shows and kept diet soda in the mix until about 5 days out. The only reason I don't touch the diet stuff anymore is because of the aspertame.
True...yes it can.
How can something that provides ZERO calories be of no benefit to dieters? It's like the logic of voodoo economics...take in less revenue and somehow you'll end up with more money. ::)
There may be something to diet soda increasing appetite, but you just have to watch for a change in your eating habits. If you're drinking zero calorie soda and then pigging out on lot's of food, OF COURSE you are going to gain weight.
What about diet Snapple?
What about diet Snapple? I love that shit. Crystal light???
having no job..
So I think the theory here is that if your body produces insulin without the presence of glucose to transport, you end up with excess insulin floating in your bloodstream. This in turn may lead to insulin resistance? I see the logic, and I believe when dieting you want to mitigate insulin as much as possible. Insulin and glucagon are inversely related, when insulin is low glucagon (and GH not to mention) are high and vice versa.
It makes sense to me. Nothing sweet seems to be the rule. So just meat water and fruit around training time, little bit of brown rice with meals 1 and 2. That is the diet that I am not right now.
Epic freudian slip by Methyl "pass me the courvoisier" Mike.
So I think the theory here is that if your body produces insulin without the presence of glucose to transport, you end up with excess insulin floating in your bloodstream. This in turn may lead to insulin resistance? I see the logic, and I believe when dieting you want to mitigate insulin as much as possible. Insulin and glucagon are inversely related, when insulin is low glucagon (and GH not to mention) are high and vice versa.So insulin is released in response to what? Aspartame's sweet taste or some chemical reaction to it once it's ingested/digested?
It makes sense to me. Nothing sweet seems to be the rule. So just meat water and fruit around training time, little bit of brown rice with meals 1 and 2. That is the diet that I am on right now.
I don't know about any health issues with diet drink but I do know they taste like shit.
that's reason enough not to drink them.
So insulin is released in response to what? Aspartame's sweet taste or some chemical reaction to it once it's ingested/digested?
Help a biochemically ignorant brother out, Mike.
So insulin is released in response to what? Aspartame's sweet taste or some chemical reaction to it once it's ingested/digested?any insulin release, which there isnt any, wud be due to the amino acids that make up the sweetener, not to sweet taste. but there may be somethign to wat dk is saying about appetite for some people
Help a biochemically ignorant brother out, Mike.
Diet and zero calorie sodas are for people looking to eat the cake and keep it.
I like methyl mike also have the belief that aspartame and sucralose are skimmy.
You shouldn't be looking to substitute sugar, you should decrease intake.
If the product gives the same psychological reward as soda shouldn't that ring an alarm bell?
If it seems to good to be true, it probably is.
other than my own post, I haven't read this thread at all so please tell me- are people REALLY trying to argue the point that you will get fat from Diet Soda?
REALLY?!
I mean, I know that people like to troll on these forums/the internet but if you are taking that cause of the actual ingredients in Diet Soda will make you fat then you are either a retard or a troll of Andy Kaufman-esque aspirations
So, keeping that fact in mind here, what do you suppose will happen if you consume a beverage which increases insulin without supplying any glucose/calories for the insulin to shuttle?
YOU WILL GET CARB CRAVINGS
I see bad from two sides, hunger creation as well as a decrease in cell's sensitivity to insulin. It seems pretty clear to me...
Try actually reading what some of us (me in particular) have said before you say something ignorant...Also you are drawing the right conclusion (diet sodas may lead to weight gain) but thinking about it the wrong way...If you consider diet sodas may spike insulin levels, you are actually looking at a double whammy- firstly, high blood insulin levels are BAD. You are looking at potential insulin resistance by cells because of over-exposure to it. Second, diet products increase hunger by the insulin release, you see the same thing when you eat a high carbohydrate meal. Here, I have a graph that may help you.
(http://www.spinalhealth.net/images/insulin.gif)
When you eat a high carb meal, your body kicks out insulin. Unfortunately, after the blood sugar has been cleared, there is still insulin present in your bloodstream. What's a lonely insulin molecule to do? It's got nothing to shuttle around! So your blood sugar crashes and goes below baseline, and presto you have carb cravings!!!
So, keeping that fact in mind here, what do you suppose will happen if you consume a beverage which increases insulin without supplying any glucose/calories for the insulin to shuttle?
YOU WILL GET CARB CRAVINGS
I see bad from two sides, hunger creation as well as a decrease in cell's sensitivity to insulin. It seems pretty clear to me...
I avoid anything with aspartame now even chewing gum.Irrational and not based on science or evidence.
Irrational and not based on science or evidence.
blood glucose is very tightly regulated in non-diabetics. hypoglycemia will not occur after even a massive sugar load. in fact mild hyper glycemia would be the case.
Try actually reading what some of us (me in particular) have said before you say something ignorant...Also you are drawing the right conclusion (diet sodas may lead to weight gain) but thinking about it the wrong way...If you consider diet sodas may spike insulin levels, you are actually looking at a double whammy- firstly, high blood insulin levels are BAD. You are looking at potential insulin resistance by cells because of over-exposure to it. Second, diet products increase hunger by the insulin release, you see the same thing when you eat a high carbohydrate meal. Here, I have a graph that may help you.You have not provided any evidence or any study that links insulin with diet drink consumption directly. Diet sodas do not spike Insulin levels and it is there your whole argument fails.
(http://www.spinalhealth.net/images/insulin.gif)
When you eat a high carb meal, your body kicks out insulin. Unfortunately, after the blood sugar has been cleared, there is still insulin present in your bloodstream. What's a lonely insulin molecule to do? It's got nothing to shuttle around! So your blood sugar crashes and goes below baseline, and presto you have carb cravings!!!
So, keeping that fact in mind here, what do you suppose will happen if you consume a beverage which increases insulin without supplying any glucose/calories for the insulin to shuttle?
YOU WILL GET CARB CRAVINGS
I see bad from two sides, hunger creation as well as a decrease in cell's sensitivity to insulin. It seems pretty clear to me...
You have not provided any evidence or any study that links insulin with diet drink consumption directly. Diet sodas do not spike Insulin levels and it is there your whole argument fails.Hahahah mike gave you the reach around. Instead of explaining how diet sodas cause weight gain he explained what insulin does ::)
Hahahah mike gave you the reach around. Instead of explaining how diet sodas cause weight gain he explained what insulin does ::)
You have not provided any evidence or any study that links insulin with diet drink consumption directly. Diet sodas do not spike Insulin levels and it is there your whole argument fails.
100% correct that I have proven nothing.I got an idea. Drink nothing but diet sodas for 2 weeks. Come back and report the results.
What I have done is postulated a theory about potential reasons diet soda may influence weight gain, which was the original premise for the thread.
My question is, has ANYONE ever done some decent studies showing diet soda's effects on insulin release, blood sugar etc etc? because if they have not been done, MAYBE we can organize some trials around the country and figure it out collectively.
Organizing the trials would be rather easy, but extrapolating the data, fairly challenging. How the heck can you accurately measure blood insulin levels??? Or perhaps we would have to find some markers that insulin has been present etc etc. Something non-invasive and cheap as well...
Interestingly enough my dad has type 2 diabetes, it runs on his side of the family, which of course puts me at risk for it. Diet soda bloats me, badly. Maybe that is the missing piece of the puzzle? Perhaps diet soda causes some people to release too much glucose into the blood stream to compensate for the lack of sugar after drinking something sweet??? Idk.Nope. IF you drink enough Diet Soda, it acts just like water as that is what it mostly is.
Nope. IF you drink enough Diet Soda, it acts just like water as that is what it mostly is.
You are forgetting not only the acidic PH but also the effects of phosphoric acid on the body ;) It is not ONLY water my friend.your applying concepts with out understanding how they apply. the bodies ph is internally regulated and remains at the same level no matter what the ph is of the things you eat. acidic foods are harder on the body to digest and balance but theres nothing unhealthy or fattening about them. meat is acidic, grains are acidic, some nuts are acidic. lots of foods you eat everyday are.
Diet soda contains aspartame, which cause cancer! Aspartame is poison.::) aspartame is made up of two naturall occuring amino acids found in meat, vegetables, etc. its completely safe, and the "cancerous chemical" that is contained inside... well, youd have to dirnk a couple hundred diet sodas in order to get one orange's worth of that chemical.
Just keep on drinking diet sodas as much as you like, it's up to you.
::) aspartame is made up of two naturall occuring amino acids found in meat, vegetables, etc. its completely safe, and the "cancerous chemical" that is contained inside... well, youd have to dirnk a couple hundred diet sodas in order to get one orange's worth of that chemical.
False propaganda. They should hang you for that, but consider yourself lucky because nobody takes you serious.
You are forgetting not only the acidic PH but also the effects of phosphoric acid on the body ;) It is not ONLY water my friend.Artificial sweeteners bloat some people. I have read studies where splenda can kill some of the good bacteria in the intestine but that is from ingesting large amounts.
Agreed, though not for the hanging part. Aspartame is far from safe. If it were safe, monzanto wouldn't have spent so much covering up all the monkeys that it killed during trials.Wrong and wrong. Tbombz is correct. Your little Monsanto conspiracy theory is total bullshit and I am quite sick of the schmucks and ignorants that latch onto it. Spare me the Alex Jones, 9/11 truther, Monsanto, Birther videos that you guys post.
Aspratame, anyone have conclusive evidence on whether or not it's safe?Here you go:
Sodas contain: caffeine, charcoal, mineral oil, tar, refined sucrose, carbon dioxide.I see that you know very little regarding the science of ingredients and what and why they are used as well as how.
Diet sodas contain: caffeine, charcoal, mineral oil, refined sucrose, carbon dioxide and artificial sweeteners which are made either from petrol(saccharine, cyclamate) or methanol(aspartame).
Why the fuck would anyone put this into their bodies is beyond me. I can understand using coffee, alcohol or nicotine because these things give pleasure, but why would anyone drink pure poison is beyond me. If it is the caffeine from sodas you want, then coffee or tea gives you the same without any of the poisons.
The stories about aspartame and other sweeteners causing brain damage and cancer are exagerated: the body can deal with pretty much any momentary poison without sequelae. But taking this shit every day, day after day, for years, cannot be good for you. It just can't.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
I see that you know very little regarding the science of ingredients and what and why they are used as well as how.
The only thing that can help you is this:
(http://foodsmart.typepad.com/.a/6a013489788780970c0148c6a8470c970c-320wi)
TTA, the problem with people like you is that they don't even realize how stupid they are. Take care.I don`t understand what you mean by that. ???
SUCKMYMUSCLE
I don`t understand what you mean by that. ???
The part about you being stupid or your sophomoric knowledge of physiology and biochemistry?
SUCKMYMUSCLE
The part about you being stupid or your sophomoric knowledge of physiology and biochemistry?Both. I just have to hear this. :D
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Can the artificial sweeteners make you fat?
Why does diet soda bloat me so badly?
Is it nothing to be worried about? I do not drink many as they are literally liquid poison, but I'd like to drink one now and again.
Can the artificial sweeteners make you fat? Why does diet soda bloat me so badly? Is it nothing to be worried about? I do not drink many as they are literally liquid poison, but I'd like to drink one now and again.1. Not a chance.
Some artificial sweeteners, like aspartame, trigger insulin release just like sugar, which makes you hypoglycemic and thus increases your appetite. It doesen't make you fat per se, but it makes you eat more, which may make you fat.
I believe this to be true, but I can not prove it. Do you have links to studies or anything which might back up that line? Also, even if not proven right away, I definitely feel it to be true.
Some sweeteners ferment on your intestines just like some sugars like lactose, making your stomach swell.
You shouldn't worry about health effects from sweeteners as all the evidence for brain damage and cancer is based on pseudo-science. This is true for aspartame and sucralose, which is a semi-natural sugar anyway. Saccharine does increase your risk for cancer, but you would need to take thousands of times the recommended dose every day for months for this to occur. I wouldn't be worried. The reason why you shouldn't use sweeteners is due to the unnecessary load to your liver and kidneys. Using them occasionally as a substitute for sugar when dieting is ok, but they are not good for you.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Wrong and wrong. Tbombz is correct. Your little Monsanto conspiracy theory is total bullshit and I am quite sick of the schmucks and ignorants that latch onto it. Spare me the Alex Jones, 9/11 truther, Monsanto, Birther videos that you guys post.alex jones is such a frustrating person. how he gets so many people to listen to him.. yuck.
I've read some decent responses and ALSO some downright fucking retarded responses.
First and foremost, diet sodas in of themselves WILL NOT make you gain any type of weight. There are no calories from fat, carbs or protein in the solution, so there is not going to be any REAL weight gain whatsoever.
What these drinks do tend to have is a high level of sodium, which over the course of a day, upon accumulation, can promote your body to withhold water (i.e. cause the bloating you guys talk about).
Assuming the artificial sweeteners do somehow increase your insulin levels and make you hypoglycemic, let's take that as a good thing to kick start that keto diet, by eliminating as much sugars from carbs as possible. If you get a little hypoglycemic, eat a fresh steak and let your body start working on the protein and fats for fuel instead of a twinkie's carbs.
"1"
.
doses of aspartame do not alter secretion of prolactin, cortisol, growth hormone, or insulin in normal individuals.
Neither sweetener affected peak insulin levels in subjects with or without diabetes
ingestion of aspartame- or saccharin-sweetened beverages by fasting subjects, with or without diabetes, did not affect blood glucose homeostasis
Holy shit, that is actually a brilliant idea!!!! I may take credit for thinking of it in the future. Thanks in advance.
Mike, I like you, you are a vacuous wanker, of whom, should really fuck off from the internet.
The answer you are looking for is:
- No, sucky has fuck all proof; as entertaining as he is, he is still a wanker!
- Aspartame does not induce an "insulin repsonse" in humans:
Aspartame and its constituent amino acids: effects on prolactin, cortisol, growth hormone, insulin, and glucose in normal humans.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2923074
Response to single dose of aspartame or saccharin by NIDDM patients:
http://care.diabetesjournals.org/content/11/3/230.short
Mike, feel free to thank me; you are like Getbig's very own version of that irritating ginger cunt from Happy Days, any chance you can get a terminal disease?
The keto diet is the most retarded thing ever. All pseudo-scientific bullshit. Why should I get sugars from gluconeogenesis, which exhausts the liver and produces a ton of metabolic poisons, like ammonia and uric acid, if I can simply eat carbs?
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Bitch, sweeteners do release insulin and cause hypoglycemia. What have you been smoking? A study that shows that it does not raise cortisol and prolactin does mean that it doesen't alter plasma glucose level. You are one stupid bitch.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Diet soda contains aspartame, which cause cancer! Aspartame is poison.
Just keep on drinking diet sodas as much as you like, it's up to you.
Bitch, sweeteners do release insulin and cause hypoglycemia. What have you been smoking? A study that shows that it does not raise cortisol and prolactin does mean that it doesen't alter plasma glucose level. You are one stupid bitch.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
shut up, stupid little boy!
You have no studies supporting your claim that aspartame raises insulin; so please, fuck off... although feel free to keep the leash.
Although, do keep melting down, as said, your foolishness is always fun; mongol that you are :)
LOL
w8m8 posts a study done with humans proving aspartame doesnt effect insulin
so sucky posts 3 rat studies, plus a human one that says this=
and he thinks he is helping his argument
;D
Owned!
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=387515.msg5440223#msg5440223
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Here you go, you stupid c.u.n.t. Feeling stupid already? Fucking owned. Lol...
http://www.google.com.br/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=3&ved=0CDAQFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov%2Fpubmed%2F2887500&ei=yR8RTo2zM4Pu0gG6wZGtDg&usg=AFQjCNHk8GhFQpK_3oN1Eoi9XGkP0XtAgQ
http://www.google.com.br/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=4&ved=0CD8QFjAD&url=http%3A%2F%2Fcare.diabetesjournals.org%2Fcontent%2F11%2F3%2F230.short&ei=mSARTu6tFar40gGdisTNDg&usg=AFQjCNHoGaBI3Umi9nWKkIxDedS_vewKdg
http://www.google.com.br/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CCMQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov%2Fpubmed%2F7009370&ei=FCERTtfuC4fh0QGD98WJDg&usg=AFQjCNGuUIfB9ir_b4J5JK2j8Cz5LQhZrQ
http://www.google.com.br/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=4&ved=0CDUQFjAD&url=http%3A%2F%2Fpsycnet.apa.org%2Fjournals%2Fcom%2F60%2F3%2F443%2F&ei=cyERTu62KMX30gH_tYi8Dg&usg=AFQjCNFtDu0dlHYlhg7pvNuvVgI-MdLuOQ
SUCKMYMUSCLE
You are a Grade A Moron. Not only are your links ridiculous (rat studies taking lethal dosages), your one human study had THIS CONCLUSION: We conclude that ingestion of aspartame- or saccharin-sweetened beverages by fasting subjects, with or without diabetes, did not affect blood glucose homeostasis.Even if it did cause you to go hypo that would just be beneficial to fat burning. These people lack discipline like suckmymuscle lacks brains.
Do you not read what you post?
You are a Grade A Moron. Not only are your links ridiculous (rat studies taking lethal dosages), your one human study had THIS CONCLUSION: We conclude that ingestion of aspartame- or saccharin-sweetened beverages by fasting subjects, with or without diabetes, did not affect blood glucose homeostasis.
Do you not read what you post?
Lol moron, that is because during a fast the body increases glucagon secretion to counter the hypoglycemia of a very low caloric intake, so of course blood sugar level wasn't affected. Does this mean that insulin was not released? NO!!!!! As all the studies I've posted clearly indicate that sweeteners for the most part do release insulin. Insulin release does not necessarily affect blood sugar level. :)You ought not respond any further as you have been thoroughly obliterated in this thread.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
You ought not respond any further as you have been thoroughly obliterated in this thread.
I heard that aspartame destroys the optic nerve.
Interesting video. As I had predicted, phosphoric acid plays a major role. Soda and diet soda is basically drinking liquid poison. Small amounts are probably ok, but more than 2-3 a day=bad idea.::)
Unless you hate your body of course.
::)
You are merely trying to maintain your position because you drink shitloads daily and could not imagine NOT drinking it, thus admitting that it's harmful is definitely not going to suit your needs.
However, you can not deny drinking carbon dioxide, phosphoric acid and aspartame is healthy???? I mean, you aren't that slow, I hope...
Try again. I am using evidence and proof behind my choice of consumption, you on the other hand, are going by nonsense and faith and by how you "feel". You already came in this with a bias and despite being shown the evidence you still cling to a false belief.
This is nothing new for you however as it is merely a hark back to your Republican shit-brain hard headed days when the facts be damned. I find it amusing that the desire to slip into such thinking is still patent (or perhaps latent).
Sorry, you have nothing on your side other than a prejudicial belief not supported by science or evidence.
and all you have is a line from one study
SUCKY
you on the other hand, are going by nonsense and faith and by how you "feel". You already came in this with a bias and despite being shown the evidence you still cling to a false belief.
Sorry, you have nothing on your side other than a prejudicial belief not supported by science or evidence.
Judging from this thread, people avoiding sweeteners for whatever reasons (cancer, diabetes, insulin spikes) are dumb.
I think this thread brings enough evidence to this.
Hiya, filibustering mongol.< breaking out my trusty thesaurus > ???
We have thus far provided two studies - in humans - supporting our case! You have presented none!
In case you missed that, we have heretofore presented TWO studies, not "one". There are more, but you get the point.
To wit; "two" is more than one, it's also less than three; please add rudimentary mathematics to your list of failings.
If you need further assistance, do feel free to ask... the optician!
As Adonis has opined, you have been obliterated, so close your hole, you sound better when your hole is closed.
Adam, as you have implied, a mind racked with spasticity unfortunately finds itself somewhat easy prey for the evils of dissonance.
Methyl Mike is a dissonant spastic, beyond help; the collective (and indeed perpetual) piss running down his legs affords him an observable degree of comfort. FormongolMethyl Mike "a drenching a day, keeps the doctor away", it seems to keep him happy etc, so leave him be, sat at his PC, gaining comfort from the golden rainbows that doth so verily form over his sickly limbs!!
QED.
Best wishes to Jezebelle and yourself.
Good point, but not entirely true, for example, Sucralose is on it's way to becoming a recognised migraine trigger, with many users also reporting eye issues (sensitivity to light etc) the pathways of which have yet to be elucidated:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16942478
But yes, I agree, whatever the merits - on either side - re: the facts behind sweeteners, most people arguing against them are usually orthorexic fuckwits... just like methyl "no fucking clue, and tries too hard" mike.
For the record, I avoid them, as do others I know... and I'll leave things there. Those that know me, know my position and vice versa.
However, Methyl Mike is a moron; his hackneyed bullshit re: "obviously a metabolic advantage can be observed if one employs a diet bereft of diet sodas; it's not actually the case I have no clue about metabolic ward studies and my position here is one of a fuckwit" really does get on ones tits.
Right now, I'd like to introduce Methyl "Scott Connolly" Mike to a fucking blunt object :)
so, given the popularity of this thread is it true that the next huge subject on GB will be how "Studies show that slitting your throat and drinking a gallon of Draino does no benefit to anyone who wants to kill themselves"?
Judging from this thread, people avoiding sweeteners for whatever reasons (cancer, diabetes, insulin spikes) are dumb.
I think this thread brings enough evidence to this.
seriously, this is pretty funny
It is, Johnny. I was PMSL the other day when you wrote something like, "Laugh at my joke you pieces of shit" ;D
the problem is that these motherfuckers don't know what's funny sometimes and it is up to me to point it out to them
seriously, I should know what funny is----I'm like the funniest guy I know
Honestly, your very predictable now, usually a 2 line reply with the 2nd line being a self deprecating remark about yourself that can be guessed by just reading the first line.
Listen, what you call "predictable" I call "performing my greatest hits"
.....and by "performing my greatest hits" I really mean is that "I'm a piece of shit asshole who hasn't had sex in along time and the only relationship I have developed in the last year is with that one chick who works the desk at the gym who talks to everyone"
This c.u.n.t, W8 whatever, is truly the dumbest bitch to post in this board. I post not one, not two, not even three studies proving my point that most sweeteners do indeed cause insulin release, but four, and instead of admitting that she is wrong she comes up with bullshit excuses. Hey, dumbass, the fact that aspartame does not cause change in glycemic status in fasting individuals does not mean it doesen't cause insulin release. The two things are not mutually synonymous! Releasing insulin does not necessarily = change in blood glucose status. During a fast, levels of glucagon and GH rise to counter hypoglycemia, so of course you can have elevated insulin levels and maintain blood sugar homeostasis. Like I said, diabetics have both high circulating insulin levels and high blood sugar levels. Riddle me that? The problem with arguing with people who don't know shit about physiology and endocrinology is that they can't even understand why they are wrong. The bottom line is that sweeteners do cause insulin release. :)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
I'm not going to attempt to get involved in the debate between you and W8, but I do have one simple request that might be of benefit at the end of your comments.
Instead of stamping your aggressive stance with "SUCKMYMUSCLE", why not instead use the overpowering "SUCKMYDICK" at the end of your posts? Wouldn't that produce a more poignant response after a wordy owning?
Just a suggestion..
"1"
This c.u.n.t, W8 whatever, is truly the dumbest bitch to post in this board. I post not one, not two, not even three studies proving my point that most sweeteners do indeed cause insulin release, but four, and instead of admitting that she is wrong she comes up with bullshit excuses. Hey, dumbass, the fact that aspartame does not cause change in glycemic status in fasting individuals does not mean it doesen't cause insulin release. The two things are not mutually synonymous! Releasing insulin does not necessarily = change in blood glucose status. During a fast, levels of glucagon and GH rise to counter hypoglycemia, so of course you can have elevated insulin levels and maintain blood sugar homeostasis. Like I said, diabetics have both high circulating insulin levels and high blood sugar levels. Riddle me that? The problem with arguing with people who don't know shit about physiology and endocrinology is that they can't even understand why they are wrong. The bottom line is that sweeteners do cause insulin release. :)
SUCKY
We knew you had nothing else to present, thankyou for the vindication.Might I suggest a wine from Annefield Vineyards at Annefield Plantation. The same builder and architect that built Annefield Plantation built my house in the 1850s using an Italianate and Greek Revival style that was popular in the Antebellum South.
Whether Adonis, Tbombz or [much less] my fragrant self, you have been dealt with to an almost unfathomable and arguably diabolical degree; please do fuck off!
Now, to important matters.
T.A, let us discuss meringues... fillings therein, wines thereof!
I must say, a delightful Asti - from the Piedmont Valley, hewn from the finest Moscato grapes - doth ring my bell, verily so no less!!
Might I suggest a wine from Annefield Vineyards at Annefield Plantation. The same builder and architect that built Annefield Plantation built my house in the 1850s using an Italianate and Greek Revival style that was popular in the Antebellum South.
http://annefieldplantation.com/index.php
We knew you had nothing else to present, thankyou for the vindication.
Whether Adonis, Tbombz or [much less] my fragrant self, you have been dealt with to an almost unfathomable and arguably diabolical degree; please do fuck off!
Now, to important matters.
T.A, let us discuss meringues... fillings therein, wines thereof!
I must say, a delightful Asti - from the Piedmont Valley, hewn from the finest Moscato grapes - doth ring my bell, verily so no less!!
Bitch...all the studies I posted clearly state most artificial sweeteners release insulin. Face it: you got owned. :)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
what do your studies say
about men who chase young men
that pose for erotic videos
on youtube Pedro?
why deny your
sexuality here
you are so
open about it
elsewhere Pedro
you are bisexual
you post about it
on brazilain boytoy videos
on youtube
why not admit it here
Pedro
I'm not going to attempt to get involved in the debate between you and W8, but I do have one simple request that might be of benefit at the end of your comments.
Instead of stamping your aggressive stance with "SUCKMYMUSCLE", why not instead use the overpowering "SUCKMYDICK" at the end of your posts? Wouldn't that produce a more poignant response after a wordy owning?
Just a suggestion..
"1"
If you're going to drink soda, look for some that have STEVIA in it instead of the other stuff. The gov/was trying to keep stevia off the shelves but too many people smartened up on the benefits of it. I believe coke and pepsi caved and are making or going to make stevia type products.
Bitch...all the studies I posted clearly state most artificial sweeteners release insulin. Face it: you got owned. :)
SUCKY
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18458357Has anyone tought about caffeine and especially green tea lowers testosterone?
CONCLUSION:
Caffeine has some potential to benefit training outcomes via the anabolic effects of the increase in testosterone concentration, but this benefit might be counteracted by the opposing catabolic effects of the increase in cortisol and resultant decline in the testosterone:cortisol ratio.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10698173
Green tea polyphenols, especially the catechin, (-)-epigallocatechin gallate (EGCG), have been proposed as a cancer chemopreventative based on a variety of laboratory studies. For clear assessment of the possible physiological effects of green tea consumption, we injected pure green tea catechins ip into rats and studied their acute effects on endocrine systems. We found that EGCG, but not related catechins, significantly reduced food intake; body weight; blood levels of testosterone, estradiol, leptin, insulin, insulin-like growth factor I, LH, glucose, cholesterol, and triglyceride; as well as growth of the prostate, uterus, and ovary. Similar effects were observed in lean and obese male Zucker rats, suggesting that the effect of EGCG was independent of an intact leptin receptor. EGCG may interact specifically with a component of a leptin-independent appetite control pathway. Endocrine changes induced by parenteral administration of EGCG may relate to the observed growth inhibition and regression of human prostate and breast tumors in athymic mice treated with EGCG as well as play a role in the mechanism by which EGCG inhibits cancer initiation and promotion in various animal models of cancer.
;D in your dreams mongol .. you are a laughing stock .. rat studies lolololololololololersss sssssssssssssssssssssss
You've placed yourself on a pedestal due to the fact you're a mod here .. it's really more funny how you have let that define how smart you think you are .. pretty sad life you got there SUCKY .. so it's understandable why you get so riled up here :D
Imbecile liar, two of the studies were performed on Humans, and rat studies are perfectly adequate to prove the point that something affects Humans as well. Why? Because rats are physiologically identical to Humans. Why do you think pharmaceutical companies test their drugs on rats for Human consumption you dumb turd? Rats have pretty much the same drug uptake sites than Humans, the same liver enzymes, same metabolic pathways, etc. Their pancreas works the same as Humans and they have the same insulin receptors as Humans. Therefore, what causes insulin release on rats will cause the same roughly to the same degree on Humans, you stupid bitch. Fucking owned. ;) Holy shit, I am dishing out ownings to dumb bitches left and right. ;D Makes me feel like a pimp. 8)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Sigh;
One final time, then if you are still unhappy, we'll call mom to pick you up early. I'd suggest having a look at the toys, cakes and cordial, give it a chance?
Either way; You have been declared the loser herein; embrace the loss, make it yours!
I digress; three of your [irrelevant] studies were performed on rats, with the fourth being a study that supports our position. I care not if you - as part of a futile attempt to circumvent our collective drenching of your legs - have adulterated your original post; suchlike is but further grist to this particular 'owning mill' you have found yourself within.
Your animal studies have no relevance here; you - as your own failings doth reveal - have been unable to corroborate them with a single human study, NOT ONE!
Concurrent to this, you have revealed yourself, once more, as quite the mongol; incapable of grasping the earlier point re: promising animal studies, the results of which, do not necessarily translate to humans. Further, your attempt to filibuster by way of conflating said lack of absolute translation with an implied absolute thereof, really does betray you for the odoriferous dunce with whom we are all too familiar.
Moving on;
Now look here, Johnny fuck all - vulgar little shit that you are - you have been passed around heretofore and herein somewhat akin to a packet of low grade, prison cigarettes. Indeed, whilst Adam and I would have perhaps ordered our legion of rapists to 'rubber up', such an assumption cannot be made in equal measure concerning the young man Tbombz; indeed, after witnessing him demolishing you with his somewhat debatorial and undeniably furfuraceous cock, one would be somewhat remiss if not advising you thereafter to locate not only a bottle of Chlorox, but also the attendant ball of wire wool.
I appreciate you cannot "let it go", that the dissonance doth so verily drench your execrable essence with a parity equal in measure to that of the piss currently saturating your mononucleosis legs, but, and to be frank, we are done with you.
On a final note, it is incredibly delightful to watch you manifest your frustrated, owned self via the tri-fecta of poor post construction, emboldened text and smilies thereafter; bravo, keep it up, as said, it is fun... fun fun fun!!!
Thanks for playing and keep the leash... oh and, take a sponge cake home for mom.
Best wishes,http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20303371
w8m8
ISUCKMUSCLEDICK
Sweet solutions, which are assumed to be highly palatable, have been tested for their efficacy in eliciting cephalic phase insulin release in humans. As discussed above, both nutritive and non-nutritive sweet solutions elicit cephalic phase insulin release in rats. However, in humans, sweet solutions do not appear to be particularly effective stimuli for eliciting the response; in several studies, cephalic phase insulin release was not observed after subjects tasted solutions sweetened with aspartame, sucrose (nutritive) or saccharin (non-nutritive). Although two studies did demonstrate significant increases in pre-absorptive insulin release following either ingesting sweetened solution or tasting a glucose solution, the response to this type of stimulus appears to be less robust than to a whole food.
To determine whether sweet-tasting solutions are effective elicitors of cephalic phase insulin release (CPIR) in humans, two studies were conducted using nutritive and nonnutritive sweeteners as stimuli. Normal weight men sipped and spit four different solutions: water, aspartame, saccharin, and sucrose.
... no significant increases in plasma insulin were observed after subjects tasted the sweetened solutions.
These results suggest that nutritive and nonnutritive sweeteners in solution are not adequate stimuli for the elicitation of CPIR.
SMM:
Did you actually read the Stevia/Aspartame/Sucrose pre-load/post-prandial study all the way through?
If you were trying to substantiate your position, you probably shouldn't have referenced this paper.
The study did not show that aspartame increases insulin.
SMM getting raped assways, allways, alldays!!
dear me!!
I started this thread to truly discuss whether or not diet sodas have any benefit to those dieting.ROFL HOLY SHIT!!! IS THAT RON AVIDAN!?!?!
It has now become like that of a prison rape with suckmymuscle being the poor victim in the shower room having 5-10 guys running a train on his ass to only afterwards leaving him in the corner of the shower room covered in cum and tears. This is not what this was meant to be.
This was not my intent.
Suckmymuscle is a good guy and I think he will someday prove all of you wrong with your misconceptions.
(http://lolokaust.com/guides/shooting%20guide/prison_rape.png)
"1"
ROFL HOLY SHIT!!! IS THAT RON AVIDAN!?!?!
At least learn how to spell Brazilian correctly, you dumb bitch. Any evidence for anything you said? Prove it or STFU.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
And I did make out with a boy at party once, and no I’m not a “fag”(nice choice of word by the way, you piece of shit homophobe).
sound familiar
Hitler was a greeat man. Check my comments on that thread for the reasons I believe so.
I must admit that Beckham’s picture in underwear does it for me. Although I must say that tighty whities look much cutter and more adorable in teeny boys between ages 18 and 20 than on grown 35 year-old men.
Ihopedthought you'd choked on a cake!!
Your comprehension skills are terrible.
As I told you, quit your filibustering attempt to conflate an implied absolute relevancy of rat studies with the, de facto, lack thereof.
Nobody said rat studies per-se are absolutely irrelevant (drugs are tested on rats, nah really?) What was said, was that your rat studies thus far presented are not herein relevent to this example; this by virtue that you have absolutely failed to present a single human study corroborating them, thus you - de facto - vindicate our position.
Or perhaps (and warm up your overly raped asshole once more) you'd like to point to the many drugs that reach phase 5 of drug trials based on the murine pre-clincal phase alone then? LOL ROARING WITH FUCKIN LAUIGHTER, you know-nothing, fucking wet ponce! Did you miss my previous post wherein I declared my previous years working with Merck? But do carry on, wankers like you are the proverbial fish in the barrel LOL
Also, we are discussing Aspartame, so if you could stay on point whilst saving your digressive double talk regarding oro-sensory stimulation, artificial sweeteners and the Cephalic phase of secretion thereof; you are only serving to dig a deeper hole for your fat, virginal self!
For the time being, the money centers on the psychological components of the human equation, but you wont know that, because you are a mongol cunt!
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0924224496100479
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/003193849400373D
TO REPEAT: YOU HAVE NO EVIDENCE THAT ASPARTAME ALONE IS INSULINOTROPIC IN HUMANS, NONE!
If you want to present studies employing various food loads and their insulintropic resonance thereafter, then perhaps, dickhead, why not tell folks to stay away from the "allosteric hazard" that is Leucine and Glucose combos. Also, moron, you do realise that glucagon-like peptide 1 is a fucking satiety hormone? More so, you do realise the relevance thereof both these points taken in tandem re: any argument yourself andMongolMethyl Mike may have been struggling (like cretins) to cobble together? not that that pair of you are spastics you understand!
Now, idiot, human studies with Aspartame, or, and as said, fuck off.
Little boy, you are a wanker pontificating within the walls of a shit forum, take a day off, sonny!
Are you this much of a failure in real life? I bet you're sat there - stained curtains, shit strewn floor - wanking off about my fine tits as you type? squalid little herbert!
Owned by a lowly girl... on a bodybuilding forum no less!!
hahahahahahaha, you are a quirky little boy.
I started this thread to truly discuss whether or not diet sodas have any benefit to those dieting.
It has now become like that of a prison rape with suckmymuscle being the poor victim in the shower room having 5-10 guys running a train on his ass to only afterwards leaving him in the corner of the shower room covered in cum and tears. This is not what this was meant to be.
This was not my intent.
Suckmymuscle is a good guy and I think he will someday prove all of you wrong with your misconceptions.
(http://lolokaust.com/guides/shooting%20guide/prison_rape.png)
"1"
this one really
stands out
as gay
i know you
here iz full study on green tea and hormones
http://endo.endojournals.org/content/141/3/980.full
Of course you are siding with this bitch since you are a f.a.g.g.o.t. And the only one who gts raped in the shower by a bunch of guys is you.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
I am not siding with anyone in this thread. I made it clear that my intent was not to spark hatred-filled discussions that aggressively use insults to make a point.LOL. If prison rape is your way of being nice, I'd hate to see your bad side. :o
Why do you turn the pendulum towards me when all I have been towards you is nice?
"1"
LOL. If prison rape is your way of being nice, I'd hate to see your bad side. :o
ROFL HOLY SHIT!!! IS THAT RON AVIDAN!?!?!;D
Ha ha ha...what the fuck are you talking about, bitch? Now you are making up shit? Oh, so I said that? Prove it. :)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
i dont have
to prove it
I know it
you know it
Nope. Never said that. And my name is not Pedro. But by all means go ahead and prove it. There are actually people in this board(ex: Mussolini) who have met me in person and can confirm that I am WASP, born in Florida and that I have an Anglo name. :) I dare you to prove that I said any of those things and that my name is Pedro. :)
bullshit, you haven't met anyone from here in real life.
DK, you use the word "bullshit" more than everyone here combined. Except of course when it comes to what GH15 says. Then, everything he says is gospel to you. Yes, I have actually met 3 people from this board in real life who lived in Florida when I was living there, but are gone.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Bump... looking for answers.. :)
There aren't any really. I strongly feel eating/drinking something sweet but delivers no substance is not what nature intended and has ill effects on the body.
I do not have hard science, but it is what it is. If you are dieting eat fruit after you train and the rest of the day slave away with brown rice and straight water etc etc. About it really.
I say let all the fools here drink their soda's as much as they like. Their lack of discipline will kill them and that's a good thing. Goodbye fools. :DWhat happens when this does not occur? What will your excuse then be as to how to explain the phenomenon? I know, the corporations did it according to their secret plan.
What happens when this does not occur? What will your excuse then be as to how to explain the phenomenon? I know, the corporations did it according to their secret plan.
I perceive you as being one of the worst person and least educated on this site.
I say let all the fools here drink their soda's as much as they like. Their lack of discipline will kill them and that's a good thing. Goodbye fools. :DI say you post a pic of yourself at your leanest and i will post a pic of my me after drinking 2 litres of diet pop a day for over 70 days, that's 140 litres of diet pop and reaching contest conditioning. The lack of decipline... ::)
My studies show that women who have pictures of dogs as their avatars on internet message boards show they subconsciously realize what they truly are. ;)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
What about gorillas who drink diet soda?;D
;D