Author Topic: Study - Diet Sodas are of no benefit to dieters - I call bullshit (Read 39783 times)

OTHstrong · « **Reply #100 on:** July 02, 2011, 02:36:47 PM »

Studies are vague always, you can always manupilate the study to go in your favour... I call bull shit on diet soda increasing insulin, bs, no way my insulin is increased with diet pop, I would know, trust me I've drank as much as 4 litrs in a day, no increase in insulin, sorry try again.

GroinkTropin · « **Reply #101 on:** July 02, 2011, 04:23:35 PM »

Quote from: The_Leafy_Bug on July 02, 2011, 01:34:39 PM

Hahahah mike gave you the reach around. Instead of explaining how diet sodas cause weight gain he explained what insulin does

Why the hell are you chiming in? When have I crossed you?

GroinkTropin · « **Reply #102 on:** July 02, 2011, 04:26:44 PM »

Quote from: The True Adonis on July 02, 2011, 01:05:46 PM

You have not provided any evidence or any study that links insulin with diet drink consumption directly. Diet sodas do not spike Insulin levels and it is there your whole argument fails.

100% correct that I have proven nothing.

What I have done is postulated a theory about potential reasons diet soda may influence weight gain, which was the original premise for the thread.

My question is, has ANYONE ever done some decent studies showing diet soda's effects on insulin release, blood sugar etc etc? because if they have not been done, MAYBE we can organize some trials around the country and figure it out collectively.

Organizing the trials would be rather easy, but extrapolating the data, fairly challenging. How the heck can you accurately measure blood insulin levels??? Or perhaps we would have to find some markers that insulin has been present etc etc. Something non-invasive and cheap as well...

el numero uno · « **Reply #103 on:** July 02, 2011, 05:01:03 PM »

Maybe some people reacts differente to diet sodas?

In my experience, diet sodas don't make me gain fat, I would say maybe they can difficult your fat loss if you are already pretty lean, but some competitor in this thread said he was pretty shredded while drinking a lot of this stuff, so I don't know. Either way, I get the same results while dieting with and without diet sodas (I drink roughly 6 litres per week). Oh, and it works as an appetite suppressant for me.

The_Leafy_Bug · « **Reply #104 on:** July 02, 2011, 05:14:28 PM »

Quote from: Methyl Mike on July 02, 2011, 04:26:44 PM

100% correct that I have proven nothing.

What I have done is postulated a theory about potential reasons diet soda may influence weight gain, which was the original premise for the thread.

My question is, has ANYONE ever done some decent studies showing diet soda's effects on insulin release, blood sugar etc etc? because if they have not been done, MAYBE we can organize some trials around the country and figure it out collectively.

Organizing the trials would be rather easy, but extrapolating the data, fairly challenging. How the heck can you accurately measure blood insulin levels??? Or perhaps we would have to find some markers that insulin has been present etc etc. Something non-invasive and cheap as well...

I got an idea. Drink nothing but diet sodas for 2 weeks. Come back and report the results.

GroinkTropin · « **Reply #105 on:** July 03, 2011, 11:50:54 AM »

Interestingly enough my dad has type 2 diabetes, it runs on his side of the family, which of course puts me at risk for it. Diet soda bloats me, badly. Maybe that is the missing piece of the puzzle? Perhaps diet soda causes some people to release too much glucose into the blood stream to compensate for the lack of sugar after drinking something sweet??? Idk.

The True Adonis · « **Reply #106 on:** July 03, 2011, 12:00:42 PM »

Quote from: Methyl Mike on July 03, 2011, 11:50:54 AM

Interestingly enough my dad has type 2 diabetes, it runs on his side of the family, which of course puts me at risk for it. Diet soda bloats me, badly. Maybe that is the missing piece of the puzzle? Perhaps diet soda causes some people to release too much glucose into the blood stream to compensate for the lack of sugar after drinking something sweet??? Idk.

Nope. IF you drink enough Diet Soda, it acts just like water as that is what it mostly is.

GroinkTropin · « **Reply #107 on:** July 03, 2011, 12:15:39 PM »

Quote from: The True Adonis on July 03, 2011, 12:00:42 PM

Nope. IF you drink enough Diet Soda, it acts just like water as that is what it mostly is.

You are forgetting not only the acidic PH but also the effects of phosphoric acid on the body

It is not ONLY water my friend.

tbombz · « **Reply #108 on:** July 03, 2011, 12:18:39 PM »

Quote from: Methyl Mike on July 03, 2011, 12:15:39 PM

You are forgetting not only the acidic PH but also the effects of phosphoric acid on the body It is not ONLY water my friend.

your applying concepts with out understanding how they apply. the bodies ph is internally regulated and remains at the same level no matter what the ph is of the things you eat. acidic foods are harder on the body to digest and balance but theres nothing unhealthy or fattening about them. meat is acidic, grains are acidic, some nuts are acidic. lots of foods you eat everyday are.

bottom line, diet soda is 100% fine for bodybuilding

freespirit · « **Reply #109 on:** July 03, 2011, 12:23:34 PM »

Diet soda contains aspartame, which cause cancer! Aspartame is poison.

Just keep on drinking diet sodas as much as you like, it's up to you.

tbombz · « **Reply #110 on:** July 03, 2011, 12:25:58 PM »

Quote from: freespirit on July 03, 2011, 12:23:34 PM

Diet soda contains aspartame, which cause cancer! Aspartame is poison.

Just keep on drinking diet sodas as much as you like, it's up to you.

aspartame is made up of two naturall occuring amino acids found in meat, vegetables, etc. its completely safe, and the "cancerous chemical" that is contained inside... well, youd have to dirnk a couple hundred diet sodas in order to get one orange's worth of that chemical.

freespirit · « **Reply #111 on:** July 03, 2011, 12:29:14 PM »

Quote from: tbombz on July 03, 2011, 12:25:58 PM

aspartame is made up of two naturall occuring amino acids found in meat, vegetables, etc. its completely safe, and the "cancerous chemical" that is contained inside... well, youd have to dirnk a couple hundred diet sodas in order to get one orange's worth of that chemical.

False propaganda. They should hang you for that, but consider yourself lucky because nobody takes you serious.

GroinkTropin · « **Reply #112 on:** July 03, 2011, 12:32:04 PM »

Quote from: freespirit on July 03, 2011, 12:29:14 PM

False propaganda. They should hang you for that, but consider yourself lucky because nobody takes you serious.

Agreed, though not for the hanging part. Aspartame is far from safe. If it were safe, monzanto wouldn't have spent so much covering up all the monkeys that it killed during trials.

Roger Bacon · « **Reply #113 on:** July 03, 2011, 12:44:40 PM »

Aspratame, anyone have conclusive evidence on whether or not it's safe?

The_Leafy_Bug · « **Reply #114 on:** July 03, 2011, 12:58:37 PM »

Quote from: Methyl Mike on July 03, 2011, 12:15:39 PM

You are forgetting not only the acidic PH but also the effects of phosphoric acid on the body It is not ONLY water my friend.

Artificial sweeteners bloat some people. I have read studies where splenda can kill some of the good bacteria in the intestine but that is from ingesting large amounts.

suckmymuscle · « **Reply #115 on:** July 03, 2011, 02:47:10 PM »

  Sodas contain: caffeine, charcoal, mineral oil, tar, refined sucrose, carbon dioxide.

  Diet sodas contain: caffeine, charcoal, mineral oil, refined sucrose, carbon dioxide and artificial sweeteners which are made either from petrol(saccharine, cyclamate) or methanol(aspartame).

  Why the fuck would anyone put this into their bodies is beyond me. I can understand using coffee, alcohol or nicotine because these things give pleasure, but why would anyone drink pure poison is beyond me. If it is the caffeine from sodas you want, then coffee or tea gives you the same without any of the poisons.

  The stories about aspartame and other sweeteners causing brain damage and cancer are exagerated: the body can deal with pretty much any momentary poison without sequelae. But taking this shit every day, day after day, for years, cannot be good for you. It just can't.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

The True Adonis · « **Reply #116 on:** July 03, 2011, 02:56:48 PM »

Quote from: Methyl Mike on July 03, 2011, 12:32:04 PM

Agreed, though not for the hanging part. Aspartame is far from safe. If it were safe, monzanto wouldn't have spent so much covering up all the monkeys that it killed during trials.

Wrong and wrong. Tbombz is correct. Your little Monsanto conspiracy theory is total bullshit and I am quite sick of the schmucks and ignorants that latch onto it. Spare me the Alex Jones, 9/11 truther, Monsanto, Birther videos that you guys post.

wes · « **Reply #117 on:** July 03, 2011, 02:58:45 PM »

I didn`t bother reading the thread,but I`ll still drink them while dieting.....never affected me in a negative way that I know of.

If we worried ourselves to death about the foods we ingested on a daily basis and how they were prepped,we`d probably die from starvation.

JUST EAT !!!!

The True Adonis · « **Reply #118 on:** July 03, 2011, 03:15:27 PM »

Quote from: P.I.P on July 03, 2011, 12:44:40 PM

Aspratame, anyone have conclusive evidence on whether or not it's safe?

Here you go:
http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/factsheet/Risk/aspartame

A study of about half a million people, published in 2006, compared people who drank aspartame-containing beverages with those who did not. Results of the study showed that increasing levels of consumption were not associated with any risk of lymphomas, leukemias, or brain cancers in men or women. (Question 2)

Researchers examined the relationship between aspartame intake and 1,888 lymphomas or leukemias and 315 malignant brain cancers among the participants of the NIH-AARP Diet and Health Study from 1995 until 2000. Development of these cancers was not associated with estimated aspartame consumption, refuting a recent animal study with positive findings for lymphomas and leukemias and also contradicting claims regarding brain cancer risk. (Questions 3 and

The True Adonis · « **Reply #119 on:** July 03, 2011, 03:19:42 PM »

Quote from: suckmymuscle on July 03, 2011, 02:47:10 PM

Sodas contain: caffeine, charcoal, mineral oil, tar, refined sucrose, carbon dioxide.

  Diet sodas contain: caffeine, charcoal, mineral oil, refined sucrose, carbon dioxide and artificial sweeteners which are made either from petrol(saccharine, cyclamate) or methanol(aspartame).

  Why the fuck would anyone put this into their bodies is beyond me. I can understand using coffee, alcohol or nicotine because these things give pleasure, but why would anyone drink pure poison is beyond me. If it is the caffeine from sodas you want, then coffee or tea gives you the same without any of the poisons.

  The stories about aspartame and other sweeteners causing brain damage and cancer are exagerated: the body can deal with pretty much any momentary poison without sequelae. But taking this shit every day, day after day, for years, cannot be good for you. It just can't.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

I see that you know very little regarding the science of ingredients and what and why they are used as well as how.

The only thing that can help you is this:

Roger Bacon · « **Reply #120 on:** July 03, 2011, 03:27:06 PM »

Thanks

suckmymuscle · « **Reply #121 on:** July 03, 2011, 03:32:07 PM »

Quote from: The True Adonis on July 03, 2011, 03:19:42 PM

I see that you know very little regarding the science of ingredients and what and why they are used as well as how.

The only thing that can help you is this:

TTA, the problem with people like you is that they don't even realize how stupid they are. Take care.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

The True Adonis · « **Reply #122 on:** July 03, 2011, 04:25:08 PM »

Quote from: suckmymuscle on July 03, 2011, 03:32:07 PM

TTA, the problem with people like you is that they don't even realize how stupid they are. Take care.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

I don`t understand what you mean by that.

suckmymuscle · « **Reply #123 on:** July 03, 2011, 04:59:12 PM »

Quote from: The True Adonis on July 03, 2011, 04:25:08 PM

I don`t understand what you mean by that.

The part about you being stupid or your sophomoric knowledge of physiology and biochemistry?

SUCKMYMUSCLE

GroinkTropin · « **Reply #124 on:** July 03, 2011, 05:02:08 PM »

Quote from: suckmymuscle on July 03, 2011, 04:59:12 PM

The part about you being stupid or your sophomoric knowledge of physiology and biochemistry?

SUCKMYMUSCLE

Can the artificial sweeteners make you fat? Why does diet soda bloat me so badly? Is it nothing to be worried about? I do not drink many as they are literally liquid poison, but I'd like to drink one now and again.