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http://www.angelfire.com/ak2/intelligencerreport/obama_voter.html (http://www.angelfire.com/ak2/intelligencerreport/obama_voter.html)
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Every voter in America should be forced to watch the whole fucking video, and all the ones who say, my vote doesnt count?? You fucks get to pay for this stupid bitches life.
Fucking moron. Fuck Im pissed.
I would gladly start a fund for this dumb girl to go live in Africa as she wishes.
How the fuck can people continue to support Obama. Especially if you actually work!
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Typical negro
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I'm not trying to be a racist but how can you vote on the same fucking side as these people if you are white and actually hold a job. You want to give more money to these people. Fucken traders!
Traitors like True Adonis die hard liberals are worse then these negroes.
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I'm not trying to be a racist but how can you vote on the same fucking side as these people if you are white and actually hold a job. You want to give more money to these people. Fucken traders!
Traders like True Adonis die hard liberals are worse then these negroes.
Traitors, not " Traders ".
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Traitors, not " Traders ".
Probably set the town on fire before he gets to the cross burning. ;D
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BUT, would you hit it? :-\ :-\
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I'm not trying to be a racist but how can you vote on the same fucking side as these people if you are white and actually hold a job. You want to give more money to these people. Fucken traders!
Traders like True Adonis die hard liberals are worse then these negroes.
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turned it off as soon as she said "if i had a choice i wouldnt work at all". typical
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Turn those machines back on! Turn those machines back on!
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I'm out after 2 minutes. She does have good DSLs. ;D
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Lmao! Two bits to stop! Two bits and an old boot!
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At first I thought she was trolling but sadly, I don't think so.
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Turn those machines back on! Turn those machines back on!
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HUH i mean HUH?!! let me see, to get things i have to work? land and water is supposed to be free? so "hmm, i think i'll take this land over hear the equal of the size of california and that's it? and everyone will let me do this and not anything to say about it and for free too? LOL! rent for 10 years, huh, that is a HOUSE.... you don't own it....that's why you rent it! now, if your rent was after 10 years is the equal to what it would be to own it, when then yeah...
electricity in africa in "ancient times"...
notice how she also doesn't provide any other way to do things, well because using profanity that is....
if i had a choice i wouldn't work? well, NOBODY WANTS TO WORK, LOL! unless, perhaps your a professional athlete and/or doing something really fun! i would love to know her background! education level, how many jobs she has worked in her life, doing what, how much money she makes a year, etcetera.....
so she can't save enough to move to africa? and how does she think the other 100 plus countries around the world do things? if you want things, you have to have money, to have money you have to work, 1 + 1 = 2.....
is this video REAL?
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shes so fucking stupid
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sell her car and all her "possessions" that she just has to HAVE AND IS ENSLAVED BY, and then she'll have enough money to move to Africa.... where according to her no one has to work, everything is free (land, water, electrictiy, etcetera) and she won't even need a car either....
yeah, if you live in a hut on the plains of somalia....
she's too stupid to live in this country, or have a car or a job in the first place! the scary thing is how many think the same thing in this country? millions?..... still would want to hear and see her make a second/sequel video explaining to the rest of us, how things should go and i mean in detail!
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http://www.angelfire.com/ak2/intelligencerreport/obama_voter.html (http://www.angelfire.com/ak2/intelligencerreport/obama_voter.html)
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Every voter in America should be forced to watch the whole fucking video, and all the ones who say, my vote doesnt count?? You fucks get to pay for this stupid bitches life.
Fucking moron. Fuck Im pissed.
I would gladly start a fund for this dumb #girl to go live in Africa as she wishes.
How the fuck can people continue to support Obama. Especially if you actually work!
You said in an earlier post that you live paycheck to paycheck so its clear that you are closer to being one of these people than you would like to readily admit.
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While I may not share all of her views, I find her quite intelligent actually. She has just become an atheist.
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I'm not trying to be a racist but how can you vote on the same fucking side as these people if you are white and actually hold a job. You want to give more money to these people. Fucken traders!
Traitors like True Adonis die hard liberals are worse then these negroes.
::) instead of making a logical argument you pick a single voter and make the case that she not only stands for every person who supported the same candidate she did but also that she represent the candidate himself. thats just about the most ignorant thing you can do and you should be ashamed of yourself.
would you like to see some truly embarrasing videos of mccain/palin voters?
heres a hint- no matter who is running and no matter what platform they are running under, there will always be morons who support the person.
the vast majority of people dont know why they hold the political opinions that they hold, theyve never actually seen any evidence to support their opinion, theyve never done any research or been educated in any topic related to their opiniions, they simply listen to whichever talking head looks/sounds the best or whichever their most beholden friend/relative chooses to listen to; and then they adopt that talking heads opinions and spout them off, usuallly, word for word. and thats the vast majority of voters, both liberal and conservative.
if you would like to have an honest debate about the direction this country should go, i would love to do so. we can disect all the economic and social policies together and analyse them from top to bottom. but im only going to do this with you if you can first write up some of your opinions, the reasons why you believe in those opinions, and guarantee that if those reasons are proven to be false that you will give up your opinions and either adopt what has been proven or no longer have any kind of strong opinion on the subject. i willl do the same (i always do). the idea is to always progress.. you may be right about 75% of things but you can never get closer to 100% unless your willing to let go of old opinions when new information comes along.
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well said and true tbombz... i think it's amazing, and hilarious but messed up and sad that there are millions of people who actually believe one party is better than the other and that one party is all 100 percent right too....
newsflash, they both suck!.. it's like saying "geez, whose worse hitler or stalin?
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While I may not share all of her views, I find her quite intelligent actually. She has just become an atheist.
Adonis, do you truly find her intelligent or just like the fact that she now embraces atheism?
Did you watch the video?
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You said in an earlier post that you live paycheck to paycheck so its clear that you are closer to being one of these people than you would like to readily admit.
What are you talking about I'm nothing close to what she is. I know it takes hard work to get the things you want in life. I've never been afraid to work 60-70 hours a week If I need to. My family came to this Country with nothing couldn't even speak english. Now they all own restraunts. My mom and dad work their ass off 7 days a week. They're happy to do it though. They have the things they wanted in life.
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Adonis, do you truly find her intelligent or just like the fact that she now embraces atheism?
Did you watch the video?
True Adonis is a clown. He wouldn't know true intelligence If It took a shit in his lap.
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well said and true tbombz... i think it's amazing, and hilarious but messed up and sad that there are millions of people who actually believe one party is better than the other and that one party is all 100 percent right too....
newsflash, they both suck!.. it's like saying "geez, whose worse hitler or stalin?
i didnt say i didnt think one party was better than the other :) i think they both have serious problems, and i think they both can be valuable to balance out the other, but if i have to choose one or the other i choose democrats any day of the week. republicans resist progress in both the economic and social sector. they dont believe in the governments ability to promote prosperity and they dont believe in letting adults make their own personal decisions.
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What are you talking about I'm nothing close to what she is. I know it takes hard work to get the things you want in life. I've never been afraid to work 60-70 hours a week If I need to. My family came to this Country with nothing couldn't even speak english. Now they all own restraunts. My mom and dad work their ass off 7 days a week. They're happy to do it though. They have the things they wanted in life.
I know. I was about to ask you what race you are as you are not white. What race are you? Just curious?
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What are you talking about I'm nothing close to what she is. I know it takes hard work to get the things you want in life. I've never been afraid to work 60-70 hours a week If I need to. My family came to this Country with nothing couldn't even speak english. Now they all own restraunts. My mom and dad work their ass off 7 days a week. They're happy to do it though. They have the things they wanted in life.
When did they come and from where?
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Was she saying America is one big "scab" or scam?? It sounded like scab to me, not sure what that means. Either way, I would gladly pay for a one way ticket to anywhere in Africa she wanted to go. Anyone willing to do the research and put her in touch with me? I am completely serious. IF it's free there, she won't need any other money. That lady is an idiot. What does she want, for us all to live in some utopian society where everyone "pulls there weight"? No one does that now, why would they if there really was no incentive?
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Look at what colour she is, do you honestly expect her to be a sensible, valuable member of society
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I'm Albanian. My Grandfather was a wealthy man before the communist regime took over. He had a farm lots of land and animals. Once the communists took over they took everything from him. They forced him to work on the big Government farms. He was allowed to keep a little bit off his land but he wasn't able to take care of it because they worked him like a slave.
My Grandpa had enough of the bullshit. He left in the middle of the night. He scouted a way to Yugoslavia. He came back two weeks later in the middle of the night. He never told his wife what he was doing so she was shocked to see him. He didn't want her to know anything in case she was questioned by government police.
He got everybody ready and they left. Took them a while to make it. They had really young kids to take and my Grandma was pregnant at the time with my father. They slept at night and travelled during the day. Almost died of starvation and thirst. They were almost torn to pieces by a pack of dogs once. Finally they made it to Yugoslavia were my father was born. They lived there for awhile until things got really bad. They did the same thing as before but this time they made it to Greece. They lived in Greece for ten years I think. My Grandfathers big dream was to get everyone over to America. Two of the oldest of my dads brothers flew to America. They found work. They found someone to sponsor the rest of the family. Not everyone could make it over. My one Aunt had polio and another stayed behind to take care of her.
My dads family came to America not knowing the language. They all worked hard at different crappy jobs so they could afford a little place for them all to live. After a few years my uncles learned the restaurant business and the rest is history.
I hate people that think everything should be given to them. I hate liberals because of their ideals. If my family can come here and make something of themselves not even being able to speak the language then anyone can make it. This is America we shouldn't be entitled to everything. Health care, food, housing, transportation, none of that is a right! This country was built by people that had a dream to make themselves better.
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I'm Albanian. My Grandfather was a wealthy man before the communist regime took over. He had a farm lots of land and animals. Once the communists took over they took everything from him. They forced him to work on the big Government farms. He was allowed to keep a little bit off his land but he wasn't able to take care of it because they worked him like a slave.
My Grandpa had enough of the bullshit. He left in the middle of the night. He scouted a way to Yugoslavia. He came back two weeks later in the middle of the night. He never told his wife what he was doing so she was shocked to see him. He didn't want her to know anything in case she was questioned by government police.
He got everybody ready and they left. Took them a while to make it. They had really young kids to take and my Grandma was pregnant at the time with my father. They slept at night and travelled during the day. Almost died of starvation and thirst. They were almost torn to pieces by a pack of dogs once. Finally they made it to Yugoslavia were my father was born. They lived there for awhile until things got really bad. They did the same thing as before but this time they made it to Greece. They lived in Greece for ten years I think. My Grandfathers big dream was to get everyone over to America. Two of the oldest of my dads brothers flew to America. They found work. They found someone to sponsor the rest of the family. Not everyone could make it over. My one Aunt had polio and another stayed behind to take care of her.
My dads family came to America not knowing the language. They all worked hard at different crappy jobs so they could afford a little place for them all to live. After a few years my uncles learned the restaurant business and the rest is history.
I hate people that think everything should be given to them. I hate liberals because of their ideals. If my family can come here and make something of themselves not even being able to speak the language then anyone can make it. This is America we shouldn't be entitled to everything. Health care, food, housing, transportation, none of that is a right! This country was built by people that had a dream to make themselves better.
I don't care to read the whole post but the sentence in bold caught my eye. This is of course a logical fallacy.
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I don't care to read the whole post but the sentence in bold caught my eye. This is of course a logical fallacy.
Another resident liberal panty waist.
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I hate people that think everything should be given to them. I hate liberals because of their ideals. If my family can come here and make something of themselves not even being able to speak the language then anyone can make it. This is America we shouldn't be entitled to everything. Health care, food, housing, transportation, none of that is a right! This country was built by people that had a dream to make themselves better.
Pretty sure Conservatives have ideals, too. ;)
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Pretty sure Conservatives have ideals, too. ;)
Ya their ideals don't include giving half your paycheck everyweek to people who don't deserve it. People who don't pull there own weight.
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tbombz.. sorry, i wasn't clear,.. i didn't mean i thought that YOU thought that ( people who actually believe one party is better than the other, etcetera.....) i was just stating what i hear from the public....
i guess the best of both worlds would be to stop greed and corruption from the wealthy and stop greed and corruption in the poor who want everything for nothing...... how does one go about doing both AT THE SAME TIME?!
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Ya their ideals don't include giving half your paycheck everyweek to people who don't deserve it. People who don't pull there own weight.
Well, blame your Grandpa. He moved you all to the wrong country. There's a price to be paid for the freedoms you enjoy - that's one of them. Stop all yer whining.
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i didnt say i didnt think one party was better than the other :) i think they both have serious problems, and i think they both can be valuable to balance out the other, but if i have to choose one or the other i choose democrats any day of the week. republicans resist progress in both the economic and social sector. they dont believe in the governments ability to promote prosperity and they dont believe in letting adults make their own personal decisions.
and what economic issues do you think dems have right and reps have wrong?
LOL and democrats are all about personal choice right?
what change in social issues to reps resist in your mind dizzle?
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I'm not trying to be a racist but how can you vote on the same fucking side as these people if you are white and actually hold a job. You want to give more money to these people. Fucken traders!
Traitors like True Adonis die hard liberals are worse then these negroes.
Ok , the woman in the video is saying some really dumb stuff. EVERYONE has to work for a living , unless you get uber wealthy .
The right wing republicans get everyone worked up on NON issues like this retarded woman who hates her job.
The real deal here is POLITICS and who gets elected to protect the WORKING people of America right?
That is exactly why I am a proud democrat and voted for Obama.
Me and my family have worked our entire lives and I even served in the US marine corps.
I'm for working man UNIONS and unlike the current crop of repubicans feel that the middle class working man has a right to form unions and earn a decent wage with bennefits.
I'm a democrat because I am for Medicare and social security that we WORKERS earn by paying into it via payroll deduction taxes .
I'm a democrat who will vote again for Obama because I am proud of the US highway system and think we need more great GOV works projects , like the Hoover Dam !
No private coorperation could ever build a millitary like the US Government!
This is the same GOV that put a man on the moon and built an Atomic bomb from scratch in uunder 4 yrs!
Sooooo, if you want to protect corperate tax loopholes and keep rights from the working people, vote republican.
I am a proud 52 yr old working middle class democrat and Vet of the US Marines and no one bit ashamed to vote again for Obama!
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Ya their ideals don't include giving half your paycheck everyweek to people who don't deserve it. People who don't pull there own weight.
The actual EFFECTIVE tax rates ( after deductions) for most middle class folks has gone down a little bit in the last 3 yrs and it hasn't changed much for the past 20 yrs. BOTH sides make taxes the boogy man but for 2/3 of us in the middle they stay about the same no matter which party is in the Whitehouse. The upper 1% are he only ones worried about this and I am not every going to be there, and if I was I sure could afford it.
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its not the govt responsibility to coddle its constituents. It is there to provide a level playing field not to ensure that a certain group is looked after.
Obamas policies have done nothing but stagnate this economy, hurting the middle class most of all howard. If you really are for the middle class, then you should look at the options for another president b/c this one is decimating the middle class.
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its not the govt responsibility to coddle its constituents. It is there to provide a level playing field not to ensure that a certain group is looked after.
Obamas policies have done nothing but stagnate this economy, hurting the middle class most of all howard. If you really are for the middle class, then you should look at the options for another president b/c this one is decimating the middle class.
I'm curious if you could name the actual policy that exists or legislation passed that is the problem?
FYI< I'm a political junky and quite aware of the actual laws and regulations that really exist, NOT made up rhetoric.
Pleas be specific and show cause and effect via facts, thanks
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tbombz.. sorry, i wasn't clear,.. i didn't mean i thought that YOU thought that ( people who actually believe one party is better than the other, etcetera.....) i was just stating what i hear from the public....
i guess the best of both worlds would be to stop greed and corruption from the wealthy and stop greed and corruption in the poor who want everything for nothing...... how does one go about doing both AT THE SAME TIME?!
BINGO! The real root of the problem right there!
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I'm Albanian. My Grandfather was a wealthy man before the communist regime took over. He had a farm lots of land and animals. Once the communists took over they took everything from him. They forced him to work on the big Government farms. He was allowed to keep a little bit off his land but he wasn't able to take care of it because they worked him like a slave.
My Grandpa had enough of the bullshit. He left in the middle of the night. He scouted a way to Yugoslavia. He came back two weeks later in the middle of the night. He never told his wife what he was doing so she was shocked to see him. He didn't want her to know anything in case she was questioned by government police.
He got everybody ready and they left. Took them a while to make it. They had really young kids to take and my Grandma was pregnant at the time with my father. They slept at night and travelled during the day. Almost died of starvation and thirst. They were almost torn to pieces by a pack of dogs once. Finally they made it to Yugoslavia were my father was born. They lived there for awhile until things got really bad. They did the same thing as before but this time they made it to Greece. They lived in Greece for ten years I think. My Grandfathers big dream was to get everyone over to America. Two of the oldest of my dads brothers flew to America. They found work. They found someone to sponsor the rest of the family. Not everyone could make it over. My one Aunt had polio and another stayed behind to take care of her.
My dads family came to America not knowing the language. They all worked hard at different crappy jobs so they could afford a little place for them all to live. After a few years my uncles learned the restaurant business and the rest is history.
I hate people that think everything should be given to them. I hate liberals because of their ideals. If my family can come here and make something of themselves not even being able to speak the language then anyone can make it. This is America we shouldn't be entitled to everything. Health care, food, housing, transportation, none of that is a right! This country was built by people that had a dream to make themselves better.
You people come in our country, exploit the system all the time and never even take the time to learn about America and then spout off warped views as if you have been here all along. This country was not built by you or anyone that looks like you. This country was built by people who look like me and Vince Goodrum. Your family came here to exploit America and all that she has to offer.
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I'm curious if you could name the actual policy that exists or legislation passed that is the problem?
FYI< I'm a political junky and quite aware of the actual laws and regulations that really exist, NOT made up rhetoric.
Pleas be specific and show cause and effect via facts, thanks
sure thing, you should stop by the politics board bro...were always looking for new blood in there and you seem like you are pretty level headed so you would probably bring some good points of view.
the health care bill, finreg, toying with letting the bush tax cuts expire etc...
Ill just go into the health care bill for now since thats the most relevant piece of legislation but I can go into the others as well later.
The massive bill that we had to "pass before we will know whats in it" has done nothing but stagnate the economy. This bill has single handedly injected more instability into the future operating costs businesses than anything in recent history. Companies do not have a good handle on their future expected costs for their employees. They do know however that their costs will rise, do you know that even part time workers will be effected by this bill?
this bill requires that you add up your part time hours for all part time workers and divide by 40 to get the equivilant number of full time workers and you have to pay the penalty for that number...is that not bull shit?
This bill is also going to increase the premiums of insurance. An insurance company works by spreading the risk of their pool over many ppl. This bill allows you to not carry insurance, pay a fee(which is small in comparison to insurance premiums) and when you get sick go buy insurance and force the company to pay for your medical bills...
what do you think the insurance company is going to do to help compensate for the new added risk? they are going to raise their rates on the existing customer base....
businesses work by planning, to do so you need to know your expected revenue and your expected expenses...if you dont know how much its going to cost you to take on a certain project b/c you dont know what your cost for personel will be youre going to be much less inclined to take that project on.
I went to a seminar a while back on the health care bill given by an insurance company here in houston. I think i still have the hand outs, I can send them to you if I do.
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sure thing, you should stop by the politics board bro...were always looking for new blood in there and you seem like you are pretty level headed so you would probably bring some good points of view.
the health care bill, finreg, toying with letting the bush tax cuts expire etc...
Ill just go into the health care bill for now since thats the most relevant piece of legislation but I can go into the others as well later.
The massive bill that we had to "pass before we will know whats in it" has done nothing but stagnate the economy. This bill has single handedly injected more instability into the future operating costs businesses than anything in recent history. Companies do not have a good handle on their future expected costs for their employees. They do know however that their costs will rise, do you know that even part time workers will be effected by this bill?
this bill requires that you add up your part time hours for all part time workers and divide by 40 to get the equivilant number of full time workers and you have to pay the penalty for that number...is that not bull shit?
This bill is also going to increase the premiums of insurance. An insurance company works by spreading the risk of their pool over many ppl. This bill allows you to not carry insurance, pay a fee(which is small in comparison to insurance premiums) and when you get sick go buy insurance and force the company to pay for your medical bills...
what do you think the insurance company is going to do to help compensate for the new added risk? they are going to raise their rates on the existing customer base....
businesses work by planning, to do so you need to know your expected revenue and your expected expenses...if you dont know how much its going to cost you to take on a certain project b/c you dont know what your cost for personel will be youre going to be much less inclined to take that project on.
I went to a seminar a while back on the health care bill given by an insurance company here in houston. I think i still have the hand outs, I can send them to you if I do.
wtf? The tax rates are the same now for the upper marginal end as they were under Bush! Plus, the majority of the Obama Health care bill has yet to fully kick in. Some won't go into effect until 2014!
Do you have Health Ins? If so, you see that they have been gouging us for the past 10 yrs , going UP and UP each yr.
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Ya their ideals don't include giving half your paycheck everyweek to people who don't deserve it. People who don't pull there own weight.
Are you saying our military don't deserve it and they can't pull their own weight :o.
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wtf? The tax rates are the same now for the upper marginal end as they were under Bush! Plus, the majority of the Obama Health care bill has yet to fully kick in. Some won't go into effect until 2014!
Do you have Health Ins? If so, you see that they have been gouging us for the past 10 yrs , going UP and UP each yr.
obama toyed with letting the bush tax cuts expire for over a year, when he knew fully well that he would likely have to extend them. He should have extended them then instead of toying with letting them expire and injected instability into the market.
yes and even now were finding out new and disturbing things about this massive bill. THATS MY POINT BRO...
you dont expect businesses to plan and expand when they cant predict costs!!!!!!!!!!!!
the way a company or anyone for that matter determines whether a project is worth undertaking is by determining if the future income outways the future costs.
if you cant predict costs b/c you dont know what your cost for your employees will be. Then unless your postive that the project will turn a profit YOURE NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH WITH IT...
thats the point...
I do have health ins and I agree they gouge us,
how do think requiring them to provide insurance to anybody at anytime is going to help that?
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please answer this question howard
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obama toyed with letting the bush tax cuts expire for over a year, when he knew fully well that he would likely have to extend them. He should have extended them then instead of toying with letting them expire and injected instability into the market.
yes and even now were finding out new and disturbing things about this massive bill. THATS MY POINT BRO...
you dont expect businesses to plan and expand when they cant predict costs!!!!!!!!!!!!
the way a company or anyone for that matter determines whether a project is worth undertaking is by determining if the future income outways the future costs.
if you cant predict costs b/c you dont know what your cost for your employees will be. Then unless your postive that the project will turn a profit YOURE NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH WITH IT...
thats the point...
I do have health ins and I agree they gouge us,
how do think requiring them to provide insurance to anybody at anytime is going to help that?
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please answer this question howard
Tony,
How much do you pay for health insurance now that you have it. If I remember, you didn`t always have it. Also, if its included in your paycheck from your employer (another horrible problem) would you rather have the money instead to purchase your own Policy or do whatever you want with?
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Tony,
How much do you pay for health insurance now that you have it. If I remember, you didn`t always have it. Also, if its included in your paycheck from your employer (another horrible problem) would you rather have the money instead to purchase your own Policy or do whatever you want with?
No I didnt always have it, although if I had chosen I could have went out and bought it. It is through work and Id have to look at a pay stub to be honest, its not very expensive at all. I went with the cheaper program though b/c I am reletively healthy and have the opportunity to change coverage next year.
Hmmm good question it would be nice to have more money for school and booze lol but like I said I dont really pay that much for it anyway
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No I didnt always have it, although if I had chosen I could have went out and bought it. It is through work and Id have to look at a pay stub to be honest, its not very expensive at all. I went with the cheaper program though b/c I am reletively healthy and have the opportunity to change coverage next year.
Hmmm good question it would be nice to have more money for school and booze lol but like I said I dont really pay that much for it anyway
If everyone that worked had health coverage it would be cheaper for us and the right thing to do.
Take the profit out of it and make it a public system that is regulated!
The fact is the first 30% of each health care dollar goes for PROFIT on the HMO.
Yup , 30 cents on EVERY dollar does NOT go to a Doc, nurse, drug or hospital, etc.
It goes to the share holders and executive bonuses my friend!
I'm all for profit and making $$ but not at the expense of the sick folks .
If you took the profit dolalrs out of health care it would cost 2/3 the amount it does now.
FYI, I am 100% for medicare but think we should end medicaid for those who don't work!
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If everyone that worked had health coverage it would be cheaper for us and the right thing to do.
Take the profit out of it and make it a public system that is regulated!
The fact is the first 30% of each health care dollar goes for PROFIT on the HMO.
Yup , 30 cents on EVERY dollar does NOT go to a Doc, nurse, drug or hospital, etc.
It goes to the share holders and executive bonuses my friend!
I'm all for profit and making $$ but not at the expense of the sick folks .
If you took the profit dolalrs out of health care it would cost 2/3 the amount it does now.
FYI, I am 100% for medicare but think we should end medicaid for those who don't work!
we can have that discussion after we get done with the one you asked me to start and have yet to reply to.
obama toyed with letting the bush tax cuts expire for over a year, when he knew fully well that he would likely have to extend them. He should have extended them then instead of toying with letting them expire and injected instability into the market.
yes and even now were finding out new and disturbing things about this massive bill. THATS MY POINT BRO...
you dont expect businesses to plan and expand when they cant predict costs!!!!!!!!!!!!
the way a company or anyone for that matter determines whether a project is worth undertaking is by determining if the future income outways the future costs.
if you cant predict costs b/c you dont know what your cost for your employees will be. Then unless your postive that the project will turn a profit YOURE NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH WITH IT...
thats the point...
I do have health ins and I agree they gouge us,
how do think requiring them to provide insurance to anybody at anytime is going to help that?
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please answer this question howard
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As the top marginal tax rate gets lower , it doesn't = more job growth. It does help increase profit margins for investors.
The current Health care plan will provide a tax break for every small buiness that hires an new employee and gives them the mandated health coverage. EVERY legal worker should get a decent wage and be provided with Health care.
The debate is always seemed tilted to the extreme ends. The welfare class vs the upper 1% who are filthy rich.
What about most of us working slobs in the middle?
I suspect I am may be older then you and have worked a lot longer?
You seem like a smart decent guy and I respect your posts.
Ask yourself a simple question.
Who do you think is more likely to watch out for the rights and bennefits of the avg middle class working person?
Obama ( current Pres and democrat) or a modern tea party backed republican who wants to end unions .
Your call. ;)
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ok this naggy ass bitch has a conflict. allot of people have this same conflict. simple life versus conveniences.
now we are all used to living a convenient life, with everything at our disposal. the trade off is to work,.
but some just want the convenience with no work. some claim they want the simple life, and would trade the convenience.
but i guarantee you this woman would last not 2 days without her magic perm creams, or cell phone, or coco butter , or her stupid tv shows.
everyone has this conflict. its normal to want to get back to human nature. living off the land ect. but nobody knows how to do that anymore.
there no turning back to nature. when natural disaster hits, then all will be forced to do so. and many people, like this woman, will die. thinking someone owes her food, or water, or shelter.
and capitalism, yes its unfair, but if your not some simple minded no skills person then you can get ahead, open your own business, do a job you like, be a independent contractor. but if you want to be a normal dumb shit person with no skills, then yes capitalism sucks. you have to compete to get what you want. if not, then settle for mediocrity, and dont complain.
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good post
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good post
thanks , i like your crazy pics you put up all the time
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As the top marginal tax rate gets lower , it doesn't = more job growth. It does help increase profit margins for investors.
The current Health care plan will provide a tax break for every small buiness that hires an new employee and gives them the mandated health coverage. EVERY legal worker should get a decent wage and be provided with Health care.
The debate is always seemed tilted to the extreme ends. The welfare class vs the upper 1% who are filthy rich.
What about most of us working slobs in the middle?
I suspect I am may be older then you and have worked a lot longer?
You seem like a smart decent guy and I respect your posts.
Ask yourself a simple question.
Who do you think is more likely to watch out for the rights and bennefits of the avg middle class working person?
Obama ( current Pres and democrat) or a modern tea party backed republican who wants to end unions .
Your call. ;)
I dont think you understand my point, I am talking about stagnating businesses and investors b/c they were unsure of what was going to happen. If he knew that he was going to extend the tax cuts a year out, why did he wait? he simply inject uncertainty into the markets and business...
every legal worker has the opportunity to get a decent wage...if youre working in a warehouse doing manual labor dont complain about making 10 bucks an hour(not you personally). If you think your job isnt paying you fair wages, go find a company that will. If no company is willing to pay you more money for your work then it isnt the business, ITS YOUR SKILLS THATS THE PROBLEM.
No every worker is not entitled to insurance, you must meet certain requirements as it should be. It is a right of full time workers not every worker...
You dont seem to understand bro this bill is going to hurt the middle class...who holds the majority of insurance policies? it isnt the super rich or the poor...
how do you think requiring insurance companies to insure anyone at anytime is going to help the prices? its not its going to raise them
whos going to pay that raise in premiums? The middle class...
you are much older than me I would say, I have plenty of work experience ive been working since around the age of 13 or so
LOL neither wants to look out for the middle class bro, obama isnt doing anything except decimating the middle class...
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Adonis, do you truly find her intelligent or just like the fact that she now embraces atheism?
Did you watch the video?
Of course he does. He is Jewish and wants more of her in the USA and less White Christian Europeans. It fits perfectly with his line of thinking.
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I'm not trying to be a racist but how can you vote on the same fucking side as these people if you are white and actually hold a job. You want to give more money to these people. Fucken traders!
Traitors like True Adonis die hard liberals are worse then these negroes.
makaveli, TA is not a traitor. He is loyal to his tribe. He does what is best for his tribe, even if it is bad for White European Americans.
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12 of the 13 richest districts in the US went to Obama in the last election. Anyone who thinks Democrats are for the working class and the poor is a fucking moron. They are in bed with rich corporations just as much as Republicans are, if not more so. Both parties bow and lick the shoes of the Israeli lobby anyhow, so foreign policy is moot.
Unions are a dying breed. It's a working model that cannot be competitive in a globalized economy. Their membership and influence has been declining rapidly. I'd like for their to be unions, but it just isn't realistic. You wonder why US car companies open more and more factories in places like China and Mexico? One huge reason is much lower cost of labor. Even individual states in the US are in competition with one another.....due to tax rates, why do you think manufacturers such as Toyota and Nissan are opening plants in Tennessee and Alabama rather than Michigan or New York? Or why Boeing opened up a new plant in South Carolina over Washington state?
As far as this lady in the video goes, who gives a shit? Most blacks don't vote anyway, and many cannot due to being tied up within the criminal justice system. The vast bulk of voters are the elderly, although younger voters do turn out when "emotions" are high such as the '08 presidential election. When the '10 Congressional elections came around the Obama and his administration begged for these same younger voters to turn out, they ended up staying home.
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That is exactly why I am a proud democrat and voted for Obama.
I'm a democrat who will vote again for Obama because I am proud of the US highway system and think we need more great GOV works projects , like the Hoover Dam !
I used to think you were very "unfunny" in your posts, completely out of touch with today's society, and unable to help it.
Now I see the root cause behind your idiotic posts is your stupidity.
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I used to think you were very "unfunny" in your posts, completely out of touch with today's society, and unable to help it.
Now I see the root cause behind your idiotic posts is you're stupidity.
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You people come in our country, exploit the system all the time and never even take the time to learn about America and then spout off warped views as if you have been here all along. This country was not built by you or anyone that looks like you. This country was built by people who look like me and Vince Goodrum. Your family came here to exploit America and all that she has to offer.
You're an imbecile and pretentious little f@g. My family alone has employed over 200 people over the 25 years they have had their restaurant in business. They treat every employee like one of the family. Anyone who has worked for my parents comes back 10 years later to see them and have dinner on the house because my parents treated them so well and fair. Both parents are Christians, both parents believe in hard work and good customer service. They have done a lot for the community. If even half the people in the Country were as awesome as them we wouldn't have any problems at all in this country!
Same goes for the rest of my dads side of the family. None of them had ever leached anything. All of my dads brothers and sisters started some kind of buisness helping to grow the private sector in America. It is people just like them that make America great you little idiot. I would love to give you good smack sometimes.
The demoncrap party wants to open all the borders to the dirty mexicans who want to come over and exploit welfare and free health insurance. Your party!
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"Liberals are the filth of the earth. They truly are like infants, eating, crying, and sh*tting and producing nothing but filthy diapers. They are like a host of ticks who infest an animal and drain it dry, owning it nothing, giving it nothing (but disease), and then ultimately killing their host. They have spit on us, thrown sh*tty diapers at us, hurled invectives at us, vandalized our recruiting stations and monuments, and they have shown no respect for us, our values, beliefs, traditions, our the nation. They exist at the beneficence of others and shoot their suckholes off in the freedom that we not only provide for them but protect for them as well. They deserve only out scorn and contempt."
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"Liberals are the filth of the earth. They truly are like infants, eating, crying, and sh*tting and producing nothing but filthy diapers. They are like a host of ticks who infest an animal and drain it dry, owning it nothing, giving it nothing (but disease), and then ultimately killing their host. They have spit on us, thrown sh*tty diapers at us, hurled invectives at us, vandalized our recruiting stations and monuments, and they have shown no respect for us, our values, beliefs, traditions, our the nation. They exist at the beneficence of others and shoot their suckholes off in the freedom that we not only provide for them but protect for them as well. They deserve only out scorn and contempt."
Posting garbage like this just makes you look even more like a buffoon. ;)
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Posting garbage like this just makes you look even more like a buffoon. ;)
It's true isn't it? Why do 99.9% of black people and other minorities who leach of our society vote democrat huh?
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"Liberals are the filth of the earth. They truly are like infants, eating, crying, and sh*tting and producing nothing but filthy diapers. They are like a host of ticks who infest an animal and drain it dry, owning it nothing, giving it nothing (but disease), and then ultimately killing their host. They have spit on us, thrown sh*tty diapers at us, hurled invectives at us, vandalized our recruiting stations and monuments, and they have shown no respect for us, our values, beliefs, traditions, our the nation. They exist at the beneficence of others and shoot their suckholes off in the freedom that we not only provide for them but protect for them as well. They deserve only out scorn and contempt."
Your Monuments? YOURS? You are an Albanian, you have no monument here.
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It's true isn't it? Why do 99.9% of black people and other minorities who leach of our society vote democrat huh?
Oh brother. Now we're going down cliche lane. And, people who leech off society don't bother to vote, in any case. ;)
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It's true isn't it? Why do 99.9% of black people and other minorities who leach of our society vote democrat huh?
I consider you a minority (Albanian brown skin) and a leach (come to our country to exploit it). You foreigners get special and unfair treatment all the time. If it was up to me, I`d send you and your whole family back to that shit country where you are from. That black girl in the video is more American than you will ever be, despite what views she may or may not have.
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Your Monuments? YOURS? You are an Albanian, you have no monument here.
Im only half. Other half is german and Irish. I agree most Albanians that come here are scum! They should send them back. My cousins that have come over recently are terrrible. They act worse the ghetto negroes. They have no control at all! They will shoot and stab someone without even thinking. Not my fathers generation though. His generation fucken takes care of buisness. Like I said the amount of people they have employed alone has been amazing. Our family restraunt is famous in my hometown.
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My uncle is a pastor owns a huge greek restraunt in Rochester N.Y other uncle worked at kodak his entire life and the rest of the family runs a couple dinners in Rochester. Tax paying hard working Americans. They all vote Republican. They would all bleed for the right to be here. They did bleed for the right to get here. My Grandpa got caught at one of the borders. They split his head open with the butt of a heavy rifle. They ended up letting him go. My Grandpa sacarficed his life to bring everyone over. Everything was done legally to. Not like the dirty mexicans you liberals love to protect who just walk over the boarder whenever they feel like it.
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Im only half. Other half is german and Irish. I agree most Albanians that come here are scum! They should send them back. My cousins that have come over recently are terrrible. They act worse the ghetto negroes. They have no control at all! They will shoot and stab someone without even thinking. Not my fathers generation though. His generation fucken takes care of buisness. Like I said the amount of people they have employed alone has been amazing. Our family restraunt is famous in my hometown.
If your hometown is Charleston, SC, the restaurant is hardly famous. Do you know ANYTHING about Charleston, SC ? There is no such thing as a Famous Albanian anything in Charleston, SC.
At least you are honest about Albanians, I will give you that.
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Oh brother. Now we're going down cliche lane. And, people who leech off society don't bother to vote, in any case. ;)
Dr. Chimps, don't waste time with him
you're much too smart to spend time proving him wrong. I use to think he was a hard core republican, but now I just think he's a troll
there's no way anybody could be serious about some of the stuff he says :-\
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If your hometown is Charleston, SC, the restaurant is hardly famous. Do you know ANYTHING about Charleston, SC ? There is no such thing as a Famous Albanian anything in Charleston, SC.
At least you are honest about Albanians, I will give you that.
My hometown Is in Western New York.
All the people here in Charelston are conservative my friend. You wouldn't be welcomed. Your kind is not liked were the real men hang out! They would spit tobacoo in your pompous eye.
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If your hometown is Charleston, SC, the restaurant is hardly famous. Do you know ANYTHING about Charleston, SC ? There is no such thing as a Famous Albanian anything in Charleston, SC.
At least you are honest about Albanians, I will give you that.
And I agree most Albanians are the scum of the earth.
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Liberals are sissies. Most of the liberals I have met. They have no moral compass. Most of them don't have a backbone. Look at how ugly there woman are to.
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My hometown Is in Western New York.
All the people here in Charelston are conservative my friend. You wouldn't be welcomed. Your kind is not liked were the real men hang out! They would spit tobacoo in your pompous eye.
I take it you haven`t been paying attention as to where I live. Furthermore, I have stayed in Charleston many times and judging from your poor understanding of American History, you don`t have a clue as to what is all around you or what it all means.
You are not a Conservative by any means. You call yourself that only because you have a hatred for others and you think this is the proper way to separate yourself. Its not. Its like wearing a gigantic shirt that says "I`m with Stupid".
Learn something about our nations History and politics before you start categorizing yourself as something you are not.
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Your a traitor TA don't you see that. Liberals are traitors. Who do you think the founding fathers would side with if they could somehow come to this time period? They would join right with the tea party! If you don't think so you're an idiot. And I do know my history. The democrats were the ones who started the KKK. They are the true racists. They're the ones who have put blacks and other minorities in the hell they are in now. They don't want to fucken help them they just want their vote. They suckered black people!
I don't hate them but I'm not dumb I know a great deal of violence and crime comes from them.
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Only things I don't like about conservatives they should leave gays alone a little more. Just let them be who cares. We should also keep our noses out of abortions and that kind of thing.
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I take it you haven`t been paying attention as to where I live. Furthermore, I have stayed in Charleston many times and judging from your poor understanding of American History, you don`t have a clue as to what is all around you or what it all means.
You are not a Conservative by any means. You call yourself that only because you have a hatred for others and you think this is the proper way to separate yourself. Its not. Its like wearing a gigantic shirt that says "I`m with Stupid".
Learn something about our nations History and politics before you start categorizing yourself as something you are not.
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And not just this guy, people like 3.14 and Coach post like no one's business, and have not a clue as to basic history or politics. It should be shaming. I know I would be embarrassed, but they don't give a shit shit to be so ignorant. I guess I'm getting (too) old. :-\
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Well, blame your Grandpa. He moved you all to the wrong country. There's a price to be paid for the freedoms you enjoy - that's one of them. Stop all yer whining.
And what price to the 50% the US citizens who don't pay taxes pay?
... like the monkey in the video for example.
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I know I'm not the smartest guy in the world but I know what is right and what is wrong. What I see liberals doing is wrong. TA why don't you try trolling over on this board. It's a gun board. A lot of military patriotic good folks over there. Lets see how they take your politics.
http://www.ar15.com/forums/f_1/5_General_Discussion.html
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I'm Albanian. My Grandfather was a wealthy man before the communist regime took over. He had a farm lots of land and animals. Once the communists took over they took everything from him. They forced him to work on the big Government farms. He was allowed to keep a little bit off his land but he wasn't able to take care of it because they worked him like a slave.
My Grandpa had enough of the bullshit. He left in the middle of the night. He scouted a way to Yugoslavia. He came back two weeks later in the middle of the night. He never told his wife what he was doing so she was shocked to see him. He didn't want her to know anything in case she was questioned by government police.
He got everybody ready and they left. Took them a while to make it. They had really young kids to take and my Grandma was pregnant at the time with my father. They slept at night and travelled during the day. Almost died of starvation and thirst. They were almost torn to pieces by a pack of dogs once. Finally they made it to Yugoslavia were my father was born. They lived there for awhile until things got really bad. They did the same thing as before but this time they made it to Greece. They lived in Greece for ten years I think. My Grandfathers big dream was to get everyone over to America. Two of the oldest of my dads brothers flew to America. They found work. They found someone to sponsor the rest of the family. Not everyone could make it over. My one Aunt had polio and another stayed behind to take care of her.
My dads family came to America not knowing the language. They all worked hard at different crappy jobs so they could afford a little place for them all to live. After a few years my uncles learned the restaurant business and the rest is history.
I hate people that think everything should be given to them. I hate liberals because of their ideals. If my family can come here and make something of themselves not even being able to speak the language then anyone can make it. This is America we shouldn't be entitled to everything. Health care, food, housing, transportation, none of that is a right! This country was built by people that had a dream to make themselves better.
so let me break this down, tell me if ive got it right
your granfather owned his own farm.
when the government came in and took his farm, made it part of the community as a wholes instead of just his own, and had your grandfather work as part of a society instead of as an individual, your grandfather walked out on his fellow countrymen in order to pursue his own selfish desire of self ownership.
right ?
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and what economic issues do you think dems have right and reps have wrong?
LOL and democrats are all about personal choice right?
what change in social issues to reps resist in your mind dizzle?
these are generalizations of course
democrats understand the necesssity of regulation on business in order to counter the cyclical nature of the free market as well as to prevent the unfair treatment of workers and the environment, while republicans believe that all regulations are necessarily harful as they interfere with free market forces, they idolize the ability of capitalism to regulate itself and believe any government attempt to improve it is bound to fail.
democrats ARE all about personal choice. key word PERSONAL. choices that only effect YOU, the individual. should be left up to you, the individual. republicans dont believe in allowing adults to do drugs, they dont believe in allowing adults to marry another person of the same sex, etc. personal choices that only effect the individual should be left up to the individual. where you might get confused is that democrats do favor regulationg behavior which directly effects other people, like for instance, large scale activity in the economic sector, and youll even find liberals supporting regulations on parents and schools which prohibit endangering or mistreating children. whereas republicans think adults are unfit to decide on their own if they are able to drugs or have sex with a person who has the same genetalia, they are in full support of a prents right to teach, feed, treat their children in anywaay they see fit, so long as they arent directly physically or emotionally abusing the child. good examples here are liberal attempts to prohibit junk food in schools, attempts in frisco to prohibit circumcisions unless medically necessary, etc.
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And what price to the 50% the US citizens who don't pay taxes pay?
... like the monkey in the video for example.
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Oh. They pay in their own way. Make no mistake about that. For the rest of us, paying extra to carry dead weight weight is a light cost to living in our places, having food whenever we want it, and reasonable access to health care. You want to live in Somalia and pay nothing, or live in the West and cough up a shitty amount of taxes to get your football all-access package? Your call.
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Oh. They pay in their own way. Make no mistake about that. For the rest of us, paying extra to carry dead weight weight is a light cost to living in our places, having food whenever we want it, and reasonable access to health care. You want to live in Somalia and pay nothing, or live in the West and cough up a shitty amount of taxes to get your football all-access package? Your call.
Where do you live?
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I know I'm not the smartest guy in the world but I know what is right and what is wrong. What I see liberals doing is wrong. TA why don't you try trolling over on this board. It's a gun board. A lot of military patriotic good folks over there. Lets see how they take your politics.
http://www.ar15.com/forums/f_1/5_General_Discussion.html
I own a few guns myself so perhaps they would accept me. Furthermore, being patriotic has nothing to do with political parties. A lot of patriotic Americans don`t identify with any party. Also there is no political test to join the military so your contention that ones Political identity is somehow intertwined with Patriotic military service is completely foolish.
I will gladly make an account there and see if I can help when they are in desperate need of facts.
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It's obvious the fine young lady depicted here in the vid is full of ambition and has just been bilked by the USA ::) ;D
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Where do you live?
Bit direct, aren't you?
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Tbomz your a fucken idiot man. They took all of my Grandfathers wealth! It belonged to him he worked his whole life for it. They just took it one day. They take shit and then redistribute it. It's marxism/communism whatever you want to call it. They beat you treat you like shit. You think that is a good system! Are you another asshole that wants to take everything from the rich and just give it to other people?
That kind of thinking is scary and a reason why our country is fucked.
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Oh. They pay in their own way. Make no mistake about that. For the rest of us, paying extra to carry dead weight weight is a light cost to living in our places, having food whenever we want it, and reasonable access to health care. You want to live in Somalia and pay nothing, or live in the West and cough up a shitty amount of taxes to get your football all-access package? Your call.
Really? How do they pay their own way?
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Bit direct, aren't you?
not formal enough for you?
Where do you live?
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I own a few guns myself so perhaps they would accept me. Furthermore, being patriotic has nothing to do with political parties. A lot of patriotic Americans don`t identify with any party. Also there is no political test to join the military so your contention that ones Political identity is somehow intertwined with Patriotic military service is completely foolish.
I will gladly make an account there and see if I can help when they are in desperate need of facts.
They will make you a bitch in a matter of a few days trust me. Lurk there for awhile you might actually learn something.You wont get anywhere with your pollitical bullshit. There's some really smart people over there that will shut you down quick. Let me know how it goes man.
And why do you need a gun? I thought they were icky ;D Does Jezebelle or whatever her name is approve? You know your party wants to disarm Americans right.
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Ill just go into the health care bill for now since thats the most relevant piece of legislation but I can go into the others as well later.
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I went to a seminar a while back on the health care bill given by an insurance company here in houston.
^^ HAHAHA ;D ;D ;D
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not formal enough for you?
Where do you live?
Hmm. Formal has nothing to do with it. It's none of your beeswax, Chauncey.
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Really? How do they pay their own way?
Still wwaiting...
This should be good.. :)
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Tbomz your a fucken idiot man. They took all of my Grandfathers wealth! It belonged to him he worked his whole life for it. They just took it one day. They take shit and then redistribute it. It's marxism/communism whatever you want to call it. They beat you treat you like shit. You think that is a good system! Are you another asshole that wants to take everything from the rich and just give it to other people?
That kind of thinking is scary and a reason why our country is fucked.
so i WAS right, when your grandfather was forced to work as part of a community and live in a society where ownership is spread among everyone instead of given to individuals, he betrayed his countrymen and left them with one less contributing member of society, as you describe it a very productive member of society at that, and left for another country where he would be allowed to work alone, for himself, and no longer be a part of a community.
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Hmm. Formal has nothing to do with it. It's none of your beeswax, Chauncey.
Translation = I dont live in america and I am too scared to admit as I would risk being seen as an elitist liberal blowhard commenting on american politics.
So what country are you in?
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Still wwaiting...
This should be good.. :)
ever heard of pay roll tax? sales tax? theres a tax on just about every type of economic activity. EVERYONE pays taxes.
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so i WAS right, when your grandfather was forced to work as part of a community and live in a society where ownership is spread among everyone instead of given to individuals, he betrayed his countrymen and left them with one less contributing member of society, as you describe it a very productive member of society at that, and left for another country where he would be allowed to work alone, for himself, and no longer be a part of a community.
That's exactly what I'm talking about. That land was his. Why the fuck should the Goverement just take it away from him. You a fucken marixist if you really beleive that. Christ man. That is called STEALING dipshit!
People in those Eastern Block Countries suffered bad!! You need to get your head out of your ass.
He betrayed his Country men are you fucking kidding me. They should make a God damn movie about how awesome my Grandpa is. He escaped a communist fucken Country TWICE! WIth a bunch of little kids he had to feed and keep quit. He did more with his life then most of us could ever dream of!
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so i WAS right, when your grandfather was forced to work as part of a community and live in a society where ownership is spread among everyone instead of given to individuals, he betrayed his countrymen and left them with one less contributing member of society, as you describe it a very productive member of society at that, and left for another country where he would be allowed to work alone, for himself, and no longer be a part of a community.
I don't understand this thinking. Bombz do you consider this a liberal position?
Do the others here that consider themselves liberal concur that this is liberal thinking or is is mostly tbombz thinking?
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ever heard of pay roll tax? sales tax? theres a tax on just about every type of economic activity. EVERYONE pays taxes.
But not everyone pays income tax. In fact 50% .. yes thats FIFTY PERCENT of this country DO NOT PAY income taxes. But they do get govt handouts, that us taxpayers subsidize.
Now, I'd like to hear from the good Dr. Chimpps how those derelicts "pay". ???
Like I said, this should be fun. :)
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I don't understand this thinking. Bombz do you consider this a liberal position?
Do the others here that consider themselves liberal concur that this is liberal thinking or is is mostly tbombz thinking?
This is very extremely dangerous thinking. Very bad bad thinking.
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^^ HAHAHA ;D ;D ;D
You disagree with what I said dizzle or just find it funny that my job pays me to go to these seminars that are put on by a finance association I belong to as part of my job as an analyst?
whats your pedigree?
economics class?
kewl....::)
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That's exactly what I'm talking about. That land was his. Why the fuck should the Goverement just take it away from him. You a fucken marixist if you really beleive that. Christ man. That is called STEALING dipshit!
marxism, communism, is a poltical ideology in which the people work together, not as individuals. everyone loses the right to ownership, from your granfather the farmer to the wealthiest of the wealthy.
did you know that about 50% of the worlds resources (50% of the worlds wealth) is owned by only about 2% of the population? 80% of the wealth is owned by 10% of the population.
when so much of the planets resources and wealth is in the hands of private individuals it is impossible for the human race to reach its full potential.
the idea behind marxism is to create a world full of wealth, where everyone is equal, and where everyone participates in society and contributes to the economy.
you complain about liberals feeling entitled and you correlate liberalism with marxism.. but did you know that marx would have let the lazy starve and die before ever giving them any kind of handout? communism is a system where everyone has to contribute or else they do not get to participate in consumption.
now, im not advoacting communism as i think its not realistic, but in a perfect world where we could trust that there would be zero corruption then communism would be the ideal form of government.
my point was only to show you the other side of the story. your grandfather would rather work as an individual than as part of a community.
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I don't understand this thinking. Bombz do you consider this a liberal position?
Do the others here that consider themselves liberal concur that this is liberal thinking or is is mostly tbombz thinking?
LOL
i was merely trying to get makaveli to stop thinking like a republican drone and startt to think critically.
im sure his grandfather is a wonderful man.
but the point remains, his country was trying to create a community of people working together to promote the common good, and his grandfather resisted to become part of his community, instead he went where he could continue to be an individual.
as a theist i would expect you to be in full support of the communist ideal, a community of souls working together as opposed to individuals working alone and against eachother.
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But not everyone pays income tax. In fact 50% .. yes thats FIFTY PERCENT of this country DO NOT PAY income taxes. But they do get govt handouts, that us taxpayers subsidize.
Now, I'd like to hear from the good Dr. Chimpps how those derelicts "pay". ???
Like I said, this should be fun. :)
so payroll tax and sales tax arent real taxes? ;D
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my point was only to show you the other side of the story. your grandfather would rather work as an individual than as part of a community.
Well you made a shitty fucken point. You want to have the Goverement just take everything from you? Beat your ass if you get lippy. They execute you in a public forum if you say one bad thing about the Goverement. They will have the teachers at school tell the kids rat their parents out if they over hear them speaking badly. No free speach, No rights, My grandfather had his rifles taken, had a whole flock of sheep taken, cattle and farmland taken. You can't see why he wanted to get his family the fuck out of there?!
Get the dick out our ass and try to think. People like you need a crash course in reality. You need to be dropped off in some shithole communist country. Lets see how they like your lifestyle over there. No more being a bisexual for you! No more using steroids. No more working out whenever you want. You need a reality check.
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so payroll tax and sales tax arent real taxes? ;D
Income tax bro. The shit you pay the IRS.... wait you must be in the 50% that that is exempt :-\
BTW- If you're out of work and steal then no, payroll & sales tax don't affect you
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Well you made a shitty fucken point. You want to have the Goverement just take everything from you? Beat your ass if you get lippy. They execute you in a public forum if you say one bad thing about the Goverement. They will have the teachers at school tell the kids rat their parents out if they over hear them speaking badly. No free speach, No rights, My grandfather had his rifles taken, had a whole flock of sheep taken, cattle and farmland taken. You can't see why he wanted to get his family the fuck out of there?!
Get the dick out our ass and try to think. People like you need a crash course in reality. You need to be dropped off in some shithole communist country. Lets see how they like your lifestyle over there. No more being a bisexual for you! No more using steroids. No more working out whenever you want. You need a reality check.
that isnt communism, youve never even read marx have you ;D just because a country labels itself communist and half way attempts to mimic the communist economic system doesnt mean its actually communism. the fact is that communism cant work, and thats why it never has. there is no leader and there no checks and balances, its extremely succeptible to corruption and there is really no way for the people to change anything since communism doesnt actually have any kind of real government. marx said to get rid of private property, have the people work as a community, and thats about it. he didnt specify how it shoudl be done, how it could be kept running properly, or anything. communism is doomed to fail and thats why every country who tries it turns to shit. not because the liberal ideology is flawed but because those who try to imitate the idealistic system marx outlined dont understand its weaknesses and inevitable fall to totalitarianism and corruption.
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Income tax bro.
BTW- If you're out of work and steal then no, payroll & sales tax don't affect you
you said 50% of americans dont pay taxes. unemployment is at 9%? lmao, yup 50% of americans, stealing and paying zero taxes. ;D jackass
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Translation = I dont live in america and I am too scared to admit as I would risk being seen as an elitist liberal blowhard commenting on american politics.
So what country are you in?
Realer translation: You don't like what I'm saying, so you're coming up with any such nonsense to try to invalidate my comments. Grow up, short pants.
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I dont think you understand my point, I am talking about stagnating businesses and investors b/c they were unsure of what was going to happen. If he knew that he was going to extend the tax cuts a year out, why did he wait? he simply inject uncertainty into the markets and business...
every legal worker has the opportunity to get a decent wage...if youre working in a warehouse doing manual labor dont complain about making 10 bucks an hour(not you personally). If you think your job isnt paying you fair wages, go find a company that will. If no company is willing to pay you more money for your work then it isnt the business, ITS YOUR SKILLS THATS THE PROBLEM.
No every worker is not entitled to insurance, you must meet certain requirements as it should be. It is a right of full time workers not every worker...
You dont seem to understand bro this bill is going to hurt the middle class...who holds the majority of insurance policies? it isnt the super rich or the poor...
how do you think requiring insurance companies to insure anyone at anytime is going to help the prices? its not its going to raise them
whos going to pay that raise in premiums? The middle class...
you are much older than me I would say, I have plenty of work experience ive been working since around the age of 13 or so
LOL neither wants to look out for the middle class bro, obama isnt doing anything except decimating the middle class...
I wanted a public option and not to have Ins companies get 50 million new clients and have the GOV subsidize the broke ass welfare class.
So yes, I agree that final Obama bill was not my ideal one.
Look I have Ed D in science ed and masters in physics but have huge respct for those how work hard and do stuff that neeeds to be done.
People who work hard at basic labor jobs deserve a decent wage and health care.
I hate lazy people and that is why I respect and want to reward those who are willing to work hard at low skill labor jobs.
Want to justify an end to welfare and all public aid? Make working hard a path to a decent living. All that requires is character and effort!
Oh, I'm 52 and a baseball fan and enjoy sitting in caves hahaha
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I wanted a public option and not to have Ins companies get 50 million new clients and have the GOV subsidize the broke ass welfare class.
So yes, I agree that final Obama bill was not my ideal one.
Look I have Ed D in science ed and masters in physics but have huge respct for those how work hard and do stuff that neeeds to be done.
People who work hard at basic labor jobs deserve a decent wage and health care.
I hate lazy people and that is why I respect and want to reward those who are willing to work hard at low skill labor jobs.
Want to justify an end to welfare and all public aid? Make working hard a path to a decent living. All that requires is character and effort!
Oh, I'm 52 and a baseball fan and enjoy sitting in caves hahaha
howard your a level headed man :)
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LOL
i was merely trying to get makaveli to stop thinking like a republican drone and startt to think critically.
im sure his grandfather is a wonderful man.
but the point remains, his country was trying to create a community of people working together to promote the common good, and his grandfather resisted to become part of his community, instead he went where he could continue to be an individual.
as a theist i would expect you to be in full support of the communist ideal, a community of souls working together as opposed to individuals working alone and against eachother.
I see what you are saying about a community of souls working together as opposed to "against" one another, but like you said before, it's unrealistic.
I wonder if the desire to start up businesses/products etc would exist fervently in a Communist society....businesses that provide jobs etc.
But even if they did and were carried out, what of the tendency of men toward corruption?
bombz also I think maybe you're not recognizing the other stuff makaveli has posted about the people not actually being "free" in a society like that.
What if you had a pound of weed and one of those pizzas and then the government came and took most of it from you to redistribute to other people? See what I'm saying ;D
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howard your a good man :)
x2 Except for the sitting in a cave nonsense. And the girls farting stuff. And the Chickster Man-Love. And the ex-wife on the tombstone. ;D
/baseball stuff is a-ok, tho
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And the ex-wife on the tombstone. ;D
I wondered if this would be mentioned lol
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I don't know why I make or get into these political threads. I'm not gonna do it anymore. I like most everyone on here and I don't like creating enemies. Bodybuidling boards have a lot of different characters.
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Your a traitor TA don't you see that. Liberals are traitors. Who do you think the founding fathers would side with if they could somehow come to this time period? They would join right with the tea party! If you don't think so you're an idiot. And I do know my history. The democrats were the ones who started the KKK. They are the true racists. They're the ones who have put blacks and other minorities in the hell they are in now. They don't want to fucken help them they just want their vote. They suckered black people!
I don't hate them but I'm not dumb I know a great deal of violence and crime comes from them.
Really? Hmm lets follow the money.
tea party patriots funded by > Freedom works PAC >Dick Army> $$$ lobby for major corperations = dupe the middle class*
* skew the real issue with emotional rhetoric on: the founding fathers!!!!, evil gay rights, race issues and social issues while they take $$$ and bennefits from the middle class to give more tax breaks to the uber wealthy. Hmmmm, keep drinking the kool aid.
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I don't know why I make or get into these political threads. I'm not gonna do it anymore. I like most everyone on here and I don't like creating enemies. Bodybuidling boards have a lot of different characters.
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I see what you are saying about a community of souls working together as opposed to "against" one another, but like you said before, it's unrealistic.
I wonder if the desire to start up businesses/products etc would exist fervently in a Communist society....businesses that provide jobs etc.
But even if they did and were carried out, what of the tendency of men toward corruption?
bombz also I think maybe you're not recognizing the other stuff makaveli has posted about the people not actually being "free" in a society like that.
What if you had a pound of weed and one of those pizzas and then the government came and took most of it from you to redistribute to other people? See what I'm saying ;D
i am not arguing for communism as it is unworkable for several reason.
but as an idealistic ideology it can be defended.. in a perfect world, it could work, and it would indeed be the BEST possible system
would there be a drive to start business? yes, absolutely. you must look at the alternative. if people didnt work, didnt start business, didnt make innovative new technologies... they wouldnt reap the reward of any of those things. if they didnt grow and raise food, they wouldnt eat. do you think money has any real value, except for the material goods it represents? ;) people will be just as motivated, nay even more motivated, in a community working together as they would if they were in a capitalistic system working for themselves and against eachother.
your question about corruption and not being free. these are why communism cant work and its only an idealistic dream. now, in a true communistic society, there would be no corrution and people would be completely free. its only when things go wrong that you encounter those negatives.
would i share my weed and pizza? of course i would! "you can be god, but if youve got no one to share it with being god doesnt mean shit" ;)
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I see what you are saying about a community of souls working together as opposed to "against" one another, but like you said before, it's unrealistic.
I wonder if the desire to start up businesses/products etc would exist fervently in a Communist society....businesses that provide jobs etc.
But even if they did and were carried out, what of the tendency of men toward corruption?
bombz also I think maybe you're not recognizing the other stuff makaveli has posted about the people not actually being "free" in a society like that.
What if you had a pound of weed and one of those pizzas and then the government came and took most of it from you to redistribute to other people? See what I'm saying ;D
No. Many 'communes' have been attempted, like Amana or the Burley Colony. They all just collapsed under the wight of human greed, sexuality or corruption. We are just shitty animals, and don't like to share. ;D
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Burley Colony.
Take out the e and this thread is bodybuilding related!
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x2 Except for the sitting in a cave nonsense. And the girls farting stuff. And the Chickster. Man-Love. And the ex-wife on the tombstone. ;D
/baseball stuff is a-ok, tho
;D
Really? Hmm lets follow the money.
tea party patriots funded by > Freedom works PAC >Dick Army> $$$ lobby for major corperations = dupe the middle class*
* skew the real issue with emotional rhetoric on: the founding fathers!!!!, evil gay rights, race issues and social issues while they take $$$ and bennefits from the middle class to give more tax breaks to the uber wealthy. Hmmmm, keep drinking the kool aid.
EXACTLY.. and poor people like makiaveli actually believe the nonsense too. thats the worst part
I don't know why I make or get into these political threads. I'm not gonna do it anymore. I like most everyone on here and I don't like creating enemies. Bodybuidling boards have a lot of different characters.
if you were able to discuss real issues instead of just using inflamming rhetoric and spouting off talking points , if you were to open your mind to other ideas and accept new information as it comes your way, i thnk youd find these discussion s to be rather invigorating and uplifting, as opposed to frustrating and infuriating. i certainly dont think of you as an enemy because of your misguided political beliefs and i sure hope you arent thinking us "liberals" are your enemy either. i understand why you think what you do, especially knowing your families history with totalitarianism disguised as communism... you know, you cant blame someone for being ignorant. the only reason they are is because they havent been exposed to the truth yet. :)
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Really? Hmm lets follow the money.
tea party patriots funded by > Freedom works PAC >Dick Army> $$$ lobby for major corperations = dupe the middle class*
* skew the real issue with emotional rhetoric on: the founding fathers!!!!, evil gay rights, race issues and social issues while they take $$$ and bennefits from the middle class to give more tax breaks to the uber wealthy. Hmmmm, keep drinking the kool aid.
These polemics loosen the purse-strings faster than anything else for the PACs, especially in the Mid-West, Howard. You know that. Rush, Hannity, Malkin et al. depend on such a mercurial fan-base. By the way, would you like to invest in gold? ;D
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I wanted a public option and not to have Ins companies get 50 million new clients and have the GOV subsidize the broke ass welfare class.
So yes, I agree that final Obama bill was not my ideal one.
Look I have Ed D in science ed and masters in physics but have huge respct for those how work hard and do stuff that neeeds to be done.
People who work hard at basic labor jobs deserve a decent wage and health care.
I hate lazy people and that is why I respect and want to reward those who are willing to work hard at low skill labor jobs.
Want to justify an end to welfare and all public aid? Make working hard a path to a decent living. All that requires is character and effort!
Oh, I'm 52 and a baseball fan and enjoy sitting in caves hahaha
Do you understand, how this bill has stagnated the economy and eventually end up bending the middle class over?
LOL I agree with you for the most part but I dont want a single payer system.
Again its not the govt responsibility to coddle and hold the hands of certain groups. They are there to provide an equal playing field, not compensate for ppls short comings. If ppl arent getting what the perceive as a fair compensation, then why dont they go work for a company thats giving them a fair wage?
if you cant find any companies to give you what you think is a fair wage then the problem is you and your skill set.
ppl deserved to get paid what they are worth, and if they are only worth 7 bucks an hour then thats what they should get paid.
character and effort are in short supply these days bro, nobody wants to work for things they just want it to be handed to them.
You see, the problem is that ppl think that hard work is all thats needed but its not. It does go a long way but you also need to work smart.
I think baseball blows, football for the win...you seem like a cool dude though. you should really pop into the politics board bro, dont worry about the name calling and what not. Everyone there has a decent amount of respect for each other despite of the outward appereance. :)
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Take out the e and this thread is bodybuilding related!
Someone's into a bottle of Chardonnay, tonight. Miracle of Cana, indeed. ;D
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Do you understand, how this bill has stagnated the economy and eventually end up bending the middle class over?
LOL I agree with you for the most part but I dont want a single payer system.
Again its not the govt responsibility to coddle and hold the hands of certain groups. They are there to prevent an equal playing field, not compensate for ppls short comings. If ppl arent getting what the perceive as a fair compensation, then why dont they go work for a company thats giving them a fair wage?
if you cant find any companies to give you what you think is a fair wage then the problem is you and your skill set.
ppl deserved to get paid what they are worth, and if they are only worth 7 bucks an hour then thats what they should get paid.
character and effort are in short supply these days bro, nobody wants to work for things they just want it to be handed to them.
You see, the problem is that ppl think that hard work is all thats needed but its not. It does go a long way but you also need to work smart.
I think baseball blows, football for the win...you seem like a cool dude though. you should really pop into the politics board bro, dont worry about the name calling and what not. Everyone there has a decent amount of respect for each other despite of the outward appereance. :)
check out the free makrt over in india and china bro. people over there gettin paid pennies per day for 12 hour days of hard labor. but i guess they could work somewhere else if they wanted to. they must only be worth pennies per day ;D
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Realer translation: You don't like what I'm saying, so you're coming up with any such nonsense to try to invalidate my comments. Grow up, short pants.
Oh, you live in canada. That pretty much explains everything.
I dont have to say nothing to discredit what you say. You live in canada, rofl.
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check out the free makrt over in india and china bro. people over there gettin paid pennies per day for 12 hour days of hard labor. but i guess they could work somewhere else if they wanted to. they must only be worth pennies per day ;D
LOL its all reletive bro something I figured even you would understand.
guess what this is america and there are plenty of companies to work for...
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Oh, you live in canada. That pretty much explains everything.
I dont have to say nothing to discredit what you say. You live in canada, rofl.
You'll excuse me if I don't feel chastised, given that Shakespearean turn.
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You'll excuse me if I don't feel chastised, given that Shakespearean turn.
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Edit- Lol. No wonder why i see you grinding 33's nuts all over the board. Its all clear to me now.
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Someone's into a bottle of Chardonnay, tonight. Miracle of Cana, indeed. ;D
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we are a slave to working to pay the bills and thats the way its gonna be. there wont be any big change in this countries goverment other than things becoming even more expensive and slightly more difficult
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LOL its all reletive bro something I figured even you would understand.
guess what this is america and there are plenty of companies to work for...
sorry but your logic fails. if the government didnt need to help people get better wages then you wouldnt see people getting paid next to nothing, anywhere. it used to be that way at the beginning of the industrial revolution here in america too. guess what? didnt get decent wages and working conditions untill the government stepped in and forced it to happen. ;)
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I'm not trying to be a racist but how can you vote on the same fucking side as these people if you are white and actually hold a job. You want to give more money to these people. Fucken traders!
Traitors like True Adonis die hard liberals are worse then these negroes.
Yup.
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sorry but your logic fails. if the government didnt need to help people get better wages then you wouldnt see people getting paid next to nothing, anywhere. it used to be that way at the beginning of the industrial revolution here in america too. guess what? didnt get decent wages and working conditions untill the government stepped in and forced it to happen. ;)
Uh, besides minimum-wage job stuff, the government has almost nothing to do with job monies. ???
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shes so fucking stupid
Not really. These ghetto thug animals and beasts know they can vote for poverty pimps like Obama and get free stuff from working people or flash mob their way to intimidate people and just steal stuff.
We are the dumb ones for even entertaining these worthless scum.
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lol Tbombz arrogance is hilarious. What would getbig be without taylor :D
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why doesn't she become a self sufficient farmer off the grid, no electricity, no technology to see how much easier that is... ::)
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Not really. These ghetto thug animals and beasts know they can vote for poverty pimps like Obama and get free stuff from working people or flash mob their way to intimidate people and just steal stuff.
We are the dumb ones for even entertaining these worthless scum.
Are you a bully in real life?
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I'm curious if you could name the actual policy that exists or legislation passed that is the problem?
FYI< I'm a political junky and quite aware of the actual laws and regulations that really exist, NOT made up rhetoric.
Pleas be specific and show cause and effect via facts, thanks
Obamacare!
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Uh, besides minimum-wage job stuff, the government has almost nothing to do with job monies. ???
"besides mininum wage". as if the salary you recieve isnt of the most significance. ;D .. not too mention 8 hour workdays, worker safety regulations, 5 day work week, half hour lunch breaks, restroom breaks, etc.
really not sure what point you wwere trying t make
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sorry but your logic fails. if the government didnt need to help people get better wages then you wouldnt see people getting paid next to nothing, anywhere. it used to be that way at the beginning of the industrial revolution here in america too. guess what? didnt get decent wages and working conditions untill the government stepped in and forced it to happen. ;)
LOL im not against having a minimum wage bro b/c some ppl will take advantage
point is outside of the baseline, you get paid your worth to the company....guess what if youre not worth the minimum wage your not going to get hired either.
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Not really. These ghetto thug animals and beasts know they can vote for poverty pimps like Obama and get free stuff from working people or flash mob their way to intimidate people and just steal stuff.
We are the dumb ones for even entertaining these worthless scum.
The trick is to pop out a few kids. Set for life after that.
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It's true isn't it? Why do 99.9% of black people and other minorities who leach of our society vote democrat huh?
Because it's the easiest way to get a pay raise without working for it.
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"besides mininum wage". as if the salary you recieve isnt of the most significance. ;D .. not too mention 8 hour workdays, worker safety regulations, 5 day work week, half hour lunch breaks, restroom breaks, etc.
really not sure what point you wwere trying t make
The central gubment' didnt create collective bargaining and unionization out of thin air. People pushed for it.
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Obamacare!
Which is based on Mitt Romney's Mass. model!?
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LOL im not against having a minimum wage bro b/c some ppl will take advantage
point is outside of the baseline, you get paid your worth to the company....guess what if youre not worth the minimum wage your not going to get hired either.
nope, wrong again, minimum wage prevents the lowest earners, the least skilled workers, from being underpaid. it has absolutely no effect on the middle class or the upper echelon.
The central gubment' didnt create collective bargaining and unionization out of thin air. People pushed for it.
and your point is?
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Which is based on Mitt Romney's Mass. model!?
nope, you see there is a difference between what states can do and what the federal govt can do...
romney himself said obama never asked him about their health care bill, if he did romney would have told him what not to do...those are basically his words...
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nope, wrong again, minimum wage prevents the lowest earners, the least skilled workers, from being underpaid. it has absolutely no effect on the middle class or the upper echelon.
and your point is?
wtf are talking about, i made no mention of that you ignorant fuck...LOL
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Which is based on Mitt Romney's Mass. model!?
And? I don't support that.
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nope, you see there is a difference between what states can do and what the federal govt can do...
romney himself said obama never asked him about their health care bill, if he did romney would have told him what not to do...those are basically his words...
On the vagueness scale, that's gonna rate at least a solid 9.1.
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http://www.angelfire.com/ak2/intelligencerreport/obama_voter.html (http://www.angelfire.com/ak2/intelligencerreport/obama_voter.html)
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Every voter in America should be forced to watch the whole fucking video, and all the ones who say, my vote doesnt count?? You fucks get to pay for this stupid bitches life.
Fucking moron. Fuck Im pissed.
I would gladly start a fund for this dumb #girl to go live in Africa as she wishes.
How the fuck can people continue to support Obama. Especially if you actually work!
L0L D0N'T THINK THE 0THER SIDE IS ANY DIFFERENT 0R BETTER.
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wtf are talking about, i made no mention of that you ignorant fuck...LOL
um, now your just being stupid. you said you get what your worth "outside of baseline". you are saying all the jobs in ameerica pay deserving wages. they dont
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On the vagueness scale, that's gonna rate at least a solid 9.1.
agreed, just as much as saying the mess that obama passed was "based" on romneycare...
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um, now your just being stupid. you said you get what your worth "outside of baseline". you are saying all the jobs in ameerica pay deserving wages. they dont
LOL and your basis for this OPINION...
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and your point is?
Government is not responsible for the right to collectively bargain, minimum wages, unionization etc.
Its like giving the government credit for ending racial segregation.
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um, now your just being stupid. you said you get what your worth "outside of baseline". you are saying all the jobs in ameerica pay deserving wages. they dont
How fucking dumb are you? People are paid compensation based upon what they produce or add value to their employer.
If you have no skills and just sit on your ass waiting for the phone to ring, you think that person deserves a salary at a level that can be comparable to someone else w skills?
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LOL and your basis for this OPINION...
fact
wages of ceo's vs wages of teachers
wages of pro athletes vs. wages of doctors
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How fucking dumb are you? People are paid compensation based upon what they produce or add value to their employer.
If you have no skills and just sit on your ass waiting for the phone to ring, you think that person deserves a salary at a level that can be comparable to someone else w skills?
yes, yes he does...
he also believes they should be given healthcare...
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How fucking dumb are you? People are paid compensation based upon what they produce or add value to their employer.
If you have no skills and just sit on your ass waiting for the phone to ring, you think that person deserves a salary at a level that can be comparable to someone else w skills?
Not at all. Compensation and value are relative terms. Even hoary Marx recognized this.
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fact
wages of ceo's vs wages of teachers
wages of pro athletes vs. wages of doctors
LOL
the fact is CEO produce for their companies and so do pro atheletes.
what your worth in terms of money is related to the amount of money you help produce broham...
ps simply b/c you say fact, doesnt make it any less of an opinion ;)
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LOL
the fact is CEO produce for their companies and so do pro atheletes.
what your worth in terms of money is related to the amount of money you help produce broham...
ps simply b/c you say fact, doesnt make it any less of an opinion ;)
i didnt say there wasnt an economically justifiable reason why people got paid what they got paid
what i said is not all jobs have salaries that are deserving
an athlete doesnt deserve more than a doctor
a ceo doesnt deserve hundreds of millions of dollars.
a teacher doesnt deserve 40k a year
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i didnt say there wasnt an economically justifiable reason why people got paid what they got paid
what i said is not all jobs have salaries that are deserving
an athlete doesnt deserve more than a doctor
a ceo doesnt deserve hundreds of millions of dollars.
a teacher doesnt deserve 40k a year
LOL yes but youre expressing your intrinsic value towards doctors and teachers....
the fact is companies determine your pay by your contribution to their bottom line.
A CEO and AN ATHELETE effect the bottom in a much bigger way than teachers and doctors...
now we can have a philisophical argument if you want, but when you want to come back to reality just remember that...
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turned it off as soon as she said "if i had a choice i wouldnt work at all". typical
If she were an Indian up here in Canada, she wouldn't have to. :-X
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Do you understand, how this bill has stagnated the economy and eventually end up bending the middle class over?
LOL I agree with you for the most part but I dont want a single payer system.
Again its not the govt responsibility to coddle and hold the hands of certain groups. They are there to provide an equal playing field, not compensate for ppls short comings. If ppl arent getting what the perceive as a fair compensation, then why dont they go work for a company thats giving them a fair wage?
if you cant find any companies to give you what you think is a fair wage then the problem is you and your skill set.
ppl deserved to get paid what they are worth, and if they are only worth 7 bucks an hour then thats what they should get paid.
character and effort are in short supply these days bro, nobody wants to work for things they just want it to be handed to them.
You see, the problem is that ppl think that hard work is all thats needed but its not. It does go a long way but you also need to work smart.
I think baseball blows, football for the win...you seem like a cool dude though. you should really pop into the politics board bro, dont worry about the name calling and what not. Everyone there has a decent amount of respect for each other despite of the outward appereance. :)
In my opinion you are getting bogged down in the weeds on these issues. Politics is a game of compromise, not pure idology. BOTH sides are bought out to a degree. BUT if you follow the $$$ you can see clearly that the dems pass more laws to protect the midddle class working man and try to give him cheaper health care.
The republicans have some good ideas of some thngs but end up cutting out stuff like the EPA and regulations that prevent us working slobs from getting a fair shake from the banks.
Ask yourself these basic questions then vote.
Which side is MORE likely to protect worker rights and bennefits?
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Typical Obama Voters:
The leeches, thugs, parasites, and grifters of society:
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AND MANY MANY WHITE MIDDLE AND UPPER CLASS AMERICANS. ::)
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dr.chimps in top form
bravo, sir
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