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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: R_ulinsky on August 31, 2011, 12:03:47 PM
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Just read on facebook australian bodybuilder Luke wood took a turn for the worst after a kidney transplant. Not sure of all the details, sad news. Rip
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no way
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Link?
Hope you didn't read this on that other site. ::)
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Mr. Luke Wood
PIP
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R.I.P Big man
"Most of you know our friend and our brother, IFBB Pro and Australian bodybuilding legend, Luke Wood. A lot of you also know he has fucked kidneys has had been battling with Dialysis to keep him healthy. Some of you know that he has to have a kidney transplant in the future.
Not many of you know that a week ago he got a phone call out of the blue from the hospital and they said, "We have a kidney for you, we can operate tomorrow morning, can you pack a bag and come straight in to prep you."
Fuck!!! I really can't imagine how shit scared I would be. Luke has been feeling quite good on dialysis and he must have thought twice about this.
Anyway with an almost perfectly matched kidney he has just had the operation, but a few days ago his body started to reject it and he took a bit of a turn. He is on a shit load of anti rejection medicine at the moment and very, very sore and groggy.
He has just been released home to rest and has to go to the hospital every day for now and he is by no means out of the woods yet. (No pun intended)
He has his lovely finance Nora taking good care of him and he is always very positive about things, so here's hoping the big fella can make a full recovery as fast as possible.
You know, I have never heard Luke complain once or say "why me". Even when Luke has been at his lowest and most tired, he is still fun to be around and he can’t do enough to help others. Since this whole news hit him he has sucked it up and worked through it like a fucken steam train. I love and respect Luke so much for who he is outside of the bodybuilder and I know many of you do as well, I know Hound Dog, Schembri and Jenkins are also very close to Luke and have always been such good mates to him. Luke also has beautiful parents and everyone is there for him, so fingers crossed we can all see him up and about very soon and give him a big hug."
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I can't believe it! It is with every ounce of sadness that I say goodbye to my brother, my mate and my biggest inspiration in bodybuilding.
To Nora and Luke's family, I can't believe he has been taken from us and that I wont see him here again. It's not fair and I don't understand why this has happened. This has brought me to my knees. I loved Luke so much and for so many reasons that I can't count. I feel so helpless and small, I just want my mate back!
I just got off to sleep and Schmebri phoned me, I answered the phone and the first thing I said was what's happened to Luke, is he ok? Schembri told me he had just passed minutes ago. Schembri was a mess, crying uncontrollably for his brother too. Luke took a turn again and was rushed back in to hospital rejecting the kidney, but we lost him.
I can't absorb this, I can't believe it's real! Until we meet again, RIP Luke, my life is so much better for you being in it!
Love always, Phil and Vania Primmer
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Very sad if he did die...always seemed cool on the boards.
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Caught wind of this via Dennis James' Twitter account.
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Will Milos be at the funeral to shed light on the reason why Luke died?
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So, in essence, Milos strikes again?
How sad, dude was intelligent and offered great banter on here.
Kids, don't become a professional bber, just lift weights, study, and screw chicks...it ain't worth a kidney transplant (or rejection)
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sport of peace ::)
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Dennis James
BIGDJAMES
RIP IFBB pro Luke Woods. He passed away after a kidney transplant. My condolences go out to his family and friends. It's a sad day today.
32 minutes ago
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I got a text from DJ during the night here and had to sadly confirm.
For once, I am lost for words. Sad, sad day for us all. My deepest sympathy to Luke's Mum and Dad, Nora and family. They were his biggest supporters. To all his mates, stay strong, this will be tough. I have had texts of support and best wishes from his pro mates during the night, he has touched many people all over the world. Luke lived his dream and I know that he inspired a whole generation with his travels. Sadly he won't get to live part 2 of his dream, the family and business part. He was getting married in 6 weeks. He will be sadly missed.
Tony Doherty
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Did you get this info from "Special DE?
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So, in essence, Milos strikes again?
How sad, dude was intelligent and offered great banter on here.
Kids, don't become a professional bber, just lift weights, study, and screw chicks...it ain't worth a kidney transplant (or rejection)
intelligent....? why would anyone with intelligence poison themself with drugs?
i wish him no ill however hopefully he recovers
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I got a text from DJ during the night here and had to sadly confirm.
For once, I am lost for words. Sad, sad day for us all. My deepest sympathy to Luke's Mum and Dad, Nora and family. They were his biggest supporters. To all his mates, stay strong, this will be tough. I have had texts of support and best wishes from his pro mates during the night, he has touched many people all over the world. Luke lived his dream and I know that he inspired a whole generation with his travels. Sadly he won't get to live part 2 of his dream, the family and business part. He was getting married in 6 weeks. He will be sadly missed.
Tony Doherty
It is sad and it is a senseless death.
Bodybuilding is supposed to be a way to enjoy a longer healthier life, its not supposed to be a death sentence. Let those of us who are informed shed light on the cause of Luke's death so that the younger kids in the gym might not see Lukes fate in the same way.
Education is the best way to understand the cause and a effects of the chemicals that Luke and some many other bodybuilders abuse far to often.
Condolence to the family and friends.
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i wish him no ill however hopefully he recovers
He's dead you stupid fucker.
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I got a text from DJ during the night here and had to sadly confirm.
For once, I am lost for words. Sad, sad day for us all. My deepest sympathy to Luke's Mum and Dad, Nora and family. They were his biggest supporters. To all his mates, stay strong, this will be tough. I have had texts of support and best wishes from his pro mates during the night, he has touched many people all over the world. Luke lived his dream and I know that he inspired a whole generation with his travels. Sadly he won't get to live part 2 of his dream, the family and business part. He was getting married in 6 weeks. He will be sadly missed.
Tony Doherty
Wow that sucks , rest in peace Luke :(
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Unbelievable.
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i wonder what gh15 has to say about this :o
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Milos the mad fuken scientist......
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Sad day
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RIP,May his presence always inspire us.
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RIP
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Damn, Im pretty shocked to be honest.
Rip.
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PIP I guess...
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RIP Luke, deepest sympathy to your family.
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35 is no age to die, this is sad :(
He was probably happy to get a transplant, thinking his life would get better and then it turns out like this... :-\
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It would seem that Luke Wood is not dead. This information is supposedly current. Perhaps people should be wishing him a swift recovery instead of writing him off.
Originally Posted by Natzo
here is apost from an Aussie board from someone close to Luke.
Hi Guys
Most of you know our friend and our brother, IFBB Pro and Australian bodybuilding legend, Luke Wood. A lot of you also know he has ****ed kidneys has had been battling with Dialysis to keep him healthy. Some of you know that he has to have a kidney transplant in the future.
Not many of you know that a week ago he got a phone call out of the blue from the hospital and they said, "We have a kidney for you, we can operate tomorrow morning, can you pack a bag and come straight in to prep you."
****!!! I really can't imagine how **** scared I would be. Luke has been feeling quite good on dialysis and he must have thought twice about this.
Anyway with an almost perfectly matched kidney he has just had the operation, but a few days ago his body started to reject it and he took a bit of a turn. He is on a **** load of anti rejection medicine at the moment and very, very sore and groggy.
He has just been released home to rest and has to go to the hospital every day for now and he is by no means out of the woods yet. (No pun intended)
He has his lovely finance Nora taking good care of him and he is always very positive about things, so here's hoping the big fella can make a full recovery as fast as possible.
You know, I have never heard Luke complain once or say "why me". Even when Luke has been at his lowest and most tired, he is still fun to be around and he can’t do enough to help others. Since this whole news hit him he has sucked it up and worked through it like a ****en steam train. I love and respect Luke so much for who he is outside of the bodybuilder and I know many of you do as well, I know Hound Dog, Schembri and Jenkins are also very close to Luke and have always been such good mates to him. Luke also has beautiful parents and everyone is there for him, so fingers crossed we can all see him up and about very soon and give him a big hug.
So feel free to jump on this thread and all let him know how we feel about him.
Love ya brother!
I am very happy to hear he is still alive and my thoughts are with him to get better and i really hope he does. GOOD LUCK BROTHER!
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I got a text from DJ during the night here and had to sadly confirm.
For once, I am lost for words. Sad, sad day for us all. My deepest sympathy to Luke's Mum and Dad, Nora and family. They were his biggest supporters. To all his mates, stay strong, this will be tough. I have had texts of support and best wishes from his pro mates during the night, he has touched many people all over the world. Luke lived his dream and I know that he inspired a whole generation with his travels. Sadly he won't get to live part 2 of his dream, the family and business part. He was getting married in 6 weeks. He will be sadly missed.
Tony Doherty
I think you are mistaken. Unless there is more than one pro bodybuilder named Luke Wood, he isn't 68 years old. See below:
IF Doherty is reporting it to be true, sadly, it has to be true. :(
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We don't even know it to be bodybuilding related!
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We don't even know it to be bodybuilding related!
its all bodybuidl related,, YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND THE ABUSE IT TAKE TO BE 230LB 5'10 6% not 280 .....230!
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It would seem that Luke Wood is not dead. This information is supposedly current. Perhaps people should be wishing him a swift recovery instead of writing him off.
and it would seem that you are one slow muthafucker...
keep reading the thread rather than stopping half way...
luke wood is GONE!
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IF Doherty is reporting it to be true, sadly, it has to be true. :(
It would appear that it is true that Luke Wood's body rejected the transplant and as a result he died.
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and it would seem that you are one slow muthafucker...
keep reading the md thread rather than stopping half way...
luke wood is GONE!
Whoa fella, you don't have to get all nasty about this. It was an honest mistake. I'd rather error on behalf of someone being alive than them having died. Of course you are right that in a later post his death was confirmed. It doesn't help either that someone posted a link in this tread to an obituary for a different Luke Wood.
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IF Doherty is reporting it to be true, sadly, it has to be true. :(
Yes sadly it is true.
I can see this thread turning to shit so I might start a respectful tribute thread. Luke was a good guy, his family are the nicest people you could ever meet. I know his Mum and dad have been at all of his shows.
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Yes sadly it is true.
I can see this thread turning to shit so I might start a respectful tribute thread. Luke was a good guy, his family are the nicest people you could ever meet. I know his Mum and dad have been at all of his shows.
what abotu the milos my brother kissing ass,, all the pms he had to gh15 alogn the years,, milos is my brother milos is this please be respctful to milos ,, milos this milos that,, and he told me this to my face too,, what about all this balonie? he counted on that mother fuckin milos with closed eyes,,
HWEN YOU GO ON STAGE AND LOOK LIKE YOU NEVER LIFTED A WEIGHT IN YOUR LIFE WHEN A YEAR BEFORE YOU LOOK TOP 15 MR O ..... THEN SOMETHING VERY BAD IS GOING TO HAPPEN ,,
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sooo sad
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RIP :(
People should just stick to natural training and keep it fun.
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luke sized down in recent years... He was a very cool contributor on getbig for quite a few years, back in the 2004-2006 era of GB greatness.
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so what fried his kidneys? narcotics? pain killers? diurecits? opiates?
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I got a text from DJ during the night here and had to sadly confirm.
For once, I am lost for words. Sad, sad day for us all. My deepest sympathy to Luke's Mum and Dad, Nora and family. They were his biggest supporters. To all his mates, stay strong, this will be tough. I have had texts of support and best wishes from his pro mates during the night, he has touched many people all over the world. Luke lived his dream and I know that he inspired a whole generation with his travels. Sadly he won't get to live part 2 of his dream, the family and business part. He was getting married in 6 weeks. He will be sadly missed.
Tony Doherty
I didnt read this...
sorry to hear he passed...
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Met him two times.
RIP, my heart goes out to his family.
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what abotu the milos my brother kissing ass,, all the pms he had to gh15 alogn the years,, milos is my brother milos is this please be respctful to milos ,, milos this milos that,, and he told me this to my face too,, what about all this balonie? he counted on that mother fuckin milos with closed eyes,,
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He was talked to and warned many, many times. As you said he was young and easily led. He had blind faith when it come to his "brother" - mentor.
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I think a lot of bodybuilders should think about what they are doing and stop with the hormonization...lift as hobby, get a proper job and enjoy time with your family. No need to be the biggest or strongest.
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so what fried his kidneys? narcotics? pain killers? diurecits? opiates?
diuretics did man, pain killers and opiates by themselves wont do that kind of damage, do you know how many pill junkies there are walking the earth that dont need a kidney transplant to live.
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He was talked to and warned many, many times. As you said he was young and easily led. He had blind faith when it come to his "brother" - mentor.
so even messiah, a good friend to luke, confirming here that it was the work of that mad scientest milos!
what the fuk did the koloseum gym "family" feed this guy for his kidneys to fail!!
this is just diuretics? how fukn much was the kid taking while training with milos!!?? fuck..
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I think a lot of bodybuilders should think about what they are doing and stop with the hormonization...lift as hobby, get a proper job and enjoy time with your family. No need to be the biggest or strongest.
this is probably even harder for most of the pros to do than abusing drugs.
:D :D
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He was talked to and warned many, many times. As you said he was young and easily led. He had blind faith when it come to his "brother" - mentor.
Agreed...had that conversation with him myself. Sad to hear, as Luke was a genuine nice guy...maybe too nice.
Give my best to his family, Tony
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''To dear family. My parents, brother and sisters!! I am so blessed! I could ask for a better family! THANK YOU!
My dear Mum! You are a saint. Never missed a show and always sitting there crying. Mum tells me you are the youngest and always will be my baby! LOL! God only knows the sleepless nites ive given my Mum with worry and the amount of prayers she has prayed that im still around to love life!
GOOD BYE TO THE STAGE AND THE BRIGHT LIGHTS, THE SMELL OF BEING BACK STAGE, THE CONTEST COLOUR, THE BLOOD, SWEAT AND TEARS! YOU HAVE BEEN MY HOME AND ALWAYS WILL BE MY FIRST LOVE!!"
LUKE WOOD
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I guess Jari Mentula is next then ???
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I'm not naive my friend, it's just a sad situation. Bodybuilding is supposed to be fun...after a training session you should feel alive and happy not miserable and depressed. Very sad situation.
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He was talked to and warned many, many times. As you said he was young and easily led. He had blind faith when it come to his "brother" - mentor.
Agreed...had that conversation with him myself. Sad to hear, as Luke was a genuine nice guy...maybe too nice.
Give my best to his family, Tony
LOL we have here 2 people very high up in the industry who warned luke about milos.
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I don't always agree with gh15, but you are correct and pretty much what you say about drugs is right on the money!
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you dont die from trenbolona....you die from diuretic abuse and narcotics
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you dont die from trenbolona....you die from diuretic abuse and narcotics
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But it ages your body, same thing with insulina. And the combination of everything including diuretics and all the narcotics they use just takes years from your life.
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forget the bodybuilding, a good guy died, young too.
if you have bad things to say keep it to yourself, it will be heartbreaking more then it is already if his family came on here and read some of the posts.
Appreciate life guys, i too have lost many good folks in the last 2 years, I appreciate life and aim to enjoy it day by day
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LOL we have here 2 people very high up in the industry who warned luke about milos.
I wonder what part of the Milos program Chick and Messiah think is dangerous. It can't be the official program,
the stuff Milos has been posting on this forum among others. Is it narcotics? Unfortunately I don't think either of these
guys will 'tell all' publicly.
Same with the other gurus like Hany and Farah, everyone covers for them publicly. All we have is liars like Dante and Skippy Pancake saying Heath never touched insulin while using "ridiculously low doses of anabolics", and that Jay Cutler only uses 200mg test a week with GH all off season.
Unofficially they will say things like, "you will not BELIEVE what kind of crazy stuff these guys are doing with the athletes". :D
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So was he pushing the limit with injectable diuretics the night before a show?
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Agreed...had that conversation with him myself. Sad to hear, as Luke was a genuine nice guy...maybe too nice.
Give my best to his family, Tony
Good job Chick you told him to just lower the dosage on all chemicals, right? As the pro rep you should be right out front of everybody and the IFBB saying that bodybuilding is supposed to be a healthy lifestyle not a death sentence.
But if you did that you too might fall below the 180lbs and feel small.
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Good job Chick you told him to just lower the dosage on all chemicals, right? As the pro rep you should be right out front of everybody and the IFBB saying that bodybuilding is supposed to be a healthy lifestyle not a death sentence.
But if you did that you too might fall below the 180lbs and feel small.
Chick knows about bad guru advices.
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The early days of Luke Woods curtesy of Doherty
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gh15, so Milos put Luke on high doses of everything , you also reccomend high doses of everything? what gives? what makes your tips different from Milos?
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all the well wishes now never said a word when he would grace their stage loaded with so much crap.oh you look great luke you look fantastic luke you should place well in my show looking like that mate blah blah blah as gh15 says you pricks think a lot but never say much.you wouldn't want to be down on competitor numbers on your shit stage.
Luke was a good guy and was never going to recover from milos shit well now two of milos iron brothers from australia are dead sonny and luke.well done milos you dog.
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He was talked to and warned many, many times. As you said he was young and easily led. He had blind faith when it come to his "brother" - mentor.
Agreed...had that conversation with him myself. Sad to hear, as Luke was a genuine nice guy...maybe too nice.
Give my best to his family, Tony
So neither of you are saying it directly, that it was Milos, but both are implying it.
Since most of the pros don't post what they're taking or doing publicly, and the reason for doing so is usually because they don't want kids trying to replicate it and get hurt in some way....why not take this and at least give some idea of what Luke actually went through and why or because of whom?
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So neither of you are saying it directly, that it was Milos, but both are implying it.
Since most of the pros don't post what they're taking or doing publicly, and the reason for doing so is usually because they don't want kids trying to replicate it and get hurt in some way....why not take this and at least give some idea of what Luke actually went through and why or because of whom?
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He was a good guy, a bit like Namet in that he could could come here and laugh at himself so everyone thought he was cool and left him alone.I remember that last contest he did where he looked like he'd dropped 20 pounds of muscle, someone post the pic up compared to his previous form, really showed how close to the edge he'd got.
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Thyroxin is a hellova drug.
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Good job Chick you told him to just lower the dosage on all chemicals, right? As the pro rep you should be right out front of everybody and the IFBB saying that bodybuilding is supposed to be a healthy lifestyle not a death sentence.
But if you did that you too might fall below the 180lbs and feel small.
Extremes are what the problem is...especially when it comes to diuretics, etc...some "guru's" push the envelope too much and have a history of recklessness.
Using a diet coach/ guru is one thing...using a mad scientist is another.
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Extremes are what the problem is...especially when it comes to diuretics, etc...some "guru's" push the envelope too much and have a history of recklessness.
Using a diet coach/ guru is one thing...using a mad scientist is another.
So then you agree:
1) Milos is a mad scientist
2) you would be under 180lbs in body weight if not for chemicals used in less than an extreme way
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Was a real nice guy the times I hung out with him. Its a shame people can't just leave their respects and move on.
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What top guru ISN'T a mad scientist?
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Was a real nice guy the times I hung out with him. Its a shame people can't just leave their respects and move on.
I agree, it's a shame..
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RIP Luke
Does anyone think some other OTC products will stress your kidneys? I tend to take a couple benadryl to help me sleep as I work nights now. They seem to dehydrate me pretty badly, any risk with those?
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PIP Luke.
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years of high dose anabolic steroid use can cause high blood pressure
if LUke Wood was not using blood pressure meds to keep hi BP normal this could have been a major factor in kidney damage
NSAID's/antiinflammtory meds can also damage the kidneys
add to the mix, DIURETICS , which all BB /finess/figure/natural competitors use, then there alot fo risk factors for kidney failure
lUKE MAY ALSO have been diabetic if he was an insulin abuser, often with too much external insulin, the body's own pancreas shuts down. If Luke had diabetes and it was poorly controlled this may have been another contributor to kidney damage.
i wonder how Milos "the guru" feels now?
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RIP Luke
Does anyone think some other OTC products will stress your kidneys? I tend to take a couple benadryl to help me sleep as I work nights now. They seem to dehydrate me pretty badly, any risk with those?
at the start of lukes kidney problems which forced him to retire, he was a guest on dave pulumbos radio show and said a factor was from all the protein powder. im sure the interview is still out there somewhere
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milos has been through it before with sonny.2 gone, hide still finding his way who will be next wolfe?
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years of high dose anabolic steroid use can cause high blood pressure
if LUke Wood was not using blood pressure meds to keep hi BP normal this could have been a major factor in kidney damage
NSAID's/antiinflammtory meds can also damage the kidneys
add to the mix, DIURETICS , which all BB /finess/figure/natural competitors use, then there alot fo risk factors for kidney failure
lUKE MAY ALSO have been diabetic if he was an insulin abuser, often with too much external insulin, the body's own pancreas shuts down. If Luke had diabetes and it was poorly controlled this may have been another contributor to kidney damage.
i wonder how Milos "the guru" feels now?
Good post, it's really fucked up to what extremes some people will go... :-X :-X
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firstly ... luke was a very close friend of mine. im deeply saddened by this news ... im shocked and lost for words. luke was doing fine , he was healthy , eating well and training very hard. He was called in a week ago for a kidney transplant. I spoke with him yesterday , and although in pain from the operation . was in good spirits. he developed an infection , and his body rejected the kidney , then he got a blood clot and passed.
- for the tool bag asking about lukes kidney problems, he had a defect in his kidney from birth.
RIP my brother . I will miss you
haha, the same excuse to defend a drug-abusing bodybuilder
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at the start of lukes kidney problems which forced him to retire, he was a guest on dave pulumbos radio show and said a factor was from all the protein powder. im sure the interview is still out there somewhere
Hmm I guess it's a good thing I haven't had a shake in years haha. I was planning on feeding in 1 isolate/oats shake per day for the rest of my prep, hopefully it won't kill me.
So is Luke a victim of the mega high protein wave that swept bodybuilding a few years back? Seems guys were taking in 600 grams a day etc etc. I never go higher than 250...
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i wonder if there's a relationship between people who have a predisposition to kidney problems, and those who enter bodybuilding.
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haha, the same excuse to defend a drug-abusing bodybuilder
Perfect! The guy has got a kidney defect from birth so lets make it better by adding insulin, anabolics, theromgenics ect to your body then shake, pose and pray.
Foolishness!
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i wonder if there's a relationship between people who have a predisposition to kidney problems, and those who enter bodybuilding.
Ha
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all the well wishes now never said a word when he would grace their stage loaded with so much crap.oh you look great luke you look fantastic luke you should place well in my show looking like that mate blah blah blah as gh15 says you pricks think a lot but never say much.you wouldn't want to be down on competitor numbers on your shit stage.
Luke was a good guy and was never going to recover from milos shit well now two of milos iron brothers from australia are dead sonny and luke.well done milos you dog.
telling it like it is right there
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Hmm I guess it's a good thing I haven't had a shake in years haha. I was planning on feeding in 1 isolate/oats shake per day for the rest of my prep, hopefully it won't kill me.
So is Luke a victim of the mega high protein wave that swept bodybuilding a few years back? Seems guys were taking in 600 grams a day etc etc. I never go higher than 250...
no.
you can eat 1000 grams of protein per day and it wont effect your kidneys. you can have high levels of certain metabolic wastes and by products that otherwise would be indicative of health issues but are normal with high protein consumption.
if you have a weak kidney, it is advised you do not eat much protien because doing so takes away from the kidneys ability to recover itself. as long as the kidney is healthy there are no issuess the "mega high protein".
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no.
you can eat 1000 grams of protein per day and it wont effect your kidneys. you can have high levels of certain metabolic wastes and by products that otherwise would be indicative of health issues but are normal with high protein consumption.
if you have a weak kidney, it is advised you do not eat much protien because doing so takes away from the kidneys ability to recover itself. as long as the kidney is healthy there are no issuess the "mega high protein".
oh and the abuse of thyroxin and many many many more drugs had nothing to do with kidney failure.give us a break
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oh and the abuse of thyroxin and many many many more drugs had nothing to do with kidney failure.give us a break
if the t3 was being used at very high doseages for years on end it could cause premature death since its basically excellerated every process in the body- accelerating the aging process.
but that doesnt seem to be the case.
he had kidney problems, tried a transplant, but died after surgery cuz his body rejected the new kidney.
whatever is responsible for his death is nephrotoxic, like diuretics are.
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his wife would be a better person to hear from not that fool.
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I don't know what you guys are talkin about...
There were two people in my life who told me to use less diuretics than I wanted to (before my shows)...
-Milos Sarcev
-George Farah
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I don't know what you guys are talkin about...
There were two people in my life who told me to use less diuretics than I wanted to (before my shows)...
-Milos Sarcev
-George Farah
;D ;D ;D ;D
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Supposedly Luke admitted to using stuff like Lasix year round.
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Supposedly Luke admitted to using stuff like Lasix year round.
so does my grandmother for high blood presure no biggy here.
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Supposedly Luke admitted to using stuff like Lasix year round.
That isn't good for the kidneys, I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night
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I don't know what you guys are talkin about...
There were two people in my life who told me to use less diuretics than I wanted to (before my shows)...
-Milos Sarcev
-George Farah
what about DNP?
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what about DNP?
Why the hell would anybody use DNP???
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Supposedly Luke admitted to using stuff like Lasix year round.
Bla-bla...
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stop it steve your confusing people that dont understand your sarcasm
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Why the hell would anybody use DNP???
Rumor has it, Farah likes to have MOST of his clients use it. Just asking
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Why the hell would anybody use DNP???
Why the hell would anyone use any of the stuff you people use? ???
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Rumor has it, Farah likes to have MOST of his clients use it. Just asking
Farah's doin this, Farah's doin that...sure... He never told me anything like that... He told me to use 12.5 mcg T3... My client hasn't even used T3, GH and anti estrogen (he just didn't have those stuffs on hand)...still he won the NPC Mr. Florida...
It's about GENETICS, hard work, perfect meal plan, perfect cycle and timing...
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so does my grandmother for high blood presure no biggy here.
does your grandmother compete? masters level shows?
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Farah's doin this, Farah's doin that...sure... He never told me anything like that... He told me to use 12.5 mcg T3... My client hasn't even used T3, GH and anti estrogen (he just didn't have those stuffs on hand)...still he won the NPC Mr. Florida...
It's about GENETICS, hard work, perfect meal plan, perfect cycle and timing...
like I said MOST. But good for you. I agree with 2nd half of your post
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Was a real nice guy the times I hung out with him. Its a shame people can't just leave their respects and move on.
Outed.
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little stevie i bet you are happy you don't abuse drugs anymore and live clean from drug abuse.
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little stevie i bet you are happy you don't abuse drugs anymore and live clean from drug abuse.
One of the guys just told me in the gym... Steve you lost some size bro... I said (with serious face)...yes, because I'm healthy now... He didn't get it...
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Why the hell would anybody use DNP???
Milos said on the radio that he recommended lower dosages of DNP over a longer period of time. He also said he knew of a stronger version of DNP which was better.
That no pros use DNP is a bunch of bullshit. Come on, Steve. ::)
Why would anybody use DNP? Well, why would anybody use steroids or T3 or clen?
Bla-bla...
So it's bullshit? He didn't ever say he used diuretics year round? I don't know if it's true in his case but the fact of the matter is that there's plenty of pros who use diuretics year round, for example some may have it prescribed for BP issues.
This is where I read it. "LATS" over there has always been honest IME.
http://www.professionalmuscle.com/forums/professional-muscle-forum/77522-rip-luke-wood.html
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friendly man with a great attitude
RIP
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RIP Luke - was a cool guy, always friendly at the contests, and posted on here.....
Keep this thread focused...
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RIP Luke - was a cool guy, always friendly at the contests, and posted on here.....
Keep this thread focused...
he was one of the good guys never a bad word for anyone.it's such a shame so young and all for nothing.
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I personally know more than one guy who Milos has trained and high dose diuretic use was not part of the plan. I hate to talk about the dead and with all due respect from what I have heard from people close to him he was on very high dose cytomel and used lots of diuretics for his shows and this was his doing to up the dose of both.
Only met Luke once and he seemed like a pretty cool guy. RIP Luke
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he wasn't that heavy into drugs his father was a cop.he was a good guy and should be remembered as such.
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Alot of patients use diuretics year round and it helps them stay alive, but they do it by being monitored by a physician, not by some BB guru.
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He seemed like a nice guy on here and always had a smile in his pictures. RIP and god bless his family
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Farah's doin this, Farah's doin that...sure... He never told me anything like that... He told me to use 12.5 mcg T3... My client hasn't even used T3, GH and anti estrogen (he just didn't have those stuffs on hand)...still he won the NPC Mr. Florida...
It's about GENETICS, hard work, perfect meal plan, perfect cycle and timing...
::) get the fuck outta here with this bullshit steve
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::) get the fuck outta here with this bullshit steve
Why???
I haven't trained my legs in 10 months and it's still bigger than anyone elses in the gym...except Ben Pakulski's...LOL! How about that?
Ronnie is 8 times Mr. O because he used the most??? Etc...
Come on guys!
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Why???
I haven't trained my legs in 10 months and it's still bigger than anyone elses in the gym...except Ben Pakulski's...LOL! How about that?
Ronnie is 8 times Mr. O because he used the most??? Etc...
Come on guys!
Its the drugs. Don`t kid yourself.
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Perfect! The guy has got a kidney defect from birth so lets make it better by adding insulin, anabolics, theromgenics ect to your body then shake, pose and pray.
Foolishness!
exactly we all have defects but we just dont have knowledge of them all yet, even more the reason to eat right and take care of ourselves
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exactly we all have defects but we just dont have knowledge of them all yet, even more the reason to eat right and take care of ourselves
Johnny,
I want you to listen to this song.
http://www.we7.com/song/Dale-Watson/Tomorrow-Never-Comes?m=0
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you dont die from trenbolona....you die from diuretic abuse and narcotics
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Keep telling that to yourself, moron. You are going to have serious health problems in the near future.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Johnny,
I want you to listen to this song.
http://www.we7.com/song/Dale-Watson/Tomorrow-Never-Comes?m=0
yeah that song is mean and angry but its the truth great song
heres a nice country song makes me feel good especially the chorus
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RIP Luke..
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RIP
Ps: lol at leanne's posts ;D
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gh15, so Milos put Luke on high doses of everything , you also reccomend high doses of everything? what gives? what makes your tips different from Milos?
the diff is im against abuse of diuretics,, and im against narcotics,, i used to be for bodybuilding as olympic sport im very serious,, everyone know we use hormones duh,,the problem is that those mother fuckers pushed in abuse of diuretics and narcotics and alot of shit we dont touch pgcl balonies all that crap ,,use dnp in doses unheard of,, use all kind ofg balonie that its just not needed,, if you are a good bodybuild you will know how to dial in with the help of diuretic yes but ABUSE? you need to fuckin have the foundation and you need hormones ofcourse but you also dont need to sit and abuse the harsh narcotics and diuretics ..they will and are ending lives ,, they do ,, its not like luke wood was the only one waiting on kidny .....many before him and many after him ,, i start thinking maybe it better to stay on dialasys in that situation ,,
and! worst thing of all!,, he kept coming and blessing mishko his good friend!! his goodo goood good friend!,, he used to tell me al the time mishko my good friend ,, FUCK THAT SHIT GREAT FRIEND,, where was mishko sarcev when luke wood was taking his last breath?
i tell you who was there...the poor mom was there THE ONE WHO TRULY was gave care,, she gave him fuckin life,,
GOOD JOB MILOS! one more on your resume
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years of high dose anabolic steroid use can cause high blood pressure
if LUke Wood was not using blood pressure meds to keep hi BP normal this could have been a major factor in kidney damage
NSAID's/antiinflammtory meds can also damage the kidneys
add to the mix, DIURETICS , which all BB /finess/figure/natural competitors use, then there alot fo risk factors for kidney failure
lUKE MAY ALSO have been diabetic if he was an insulin abuser, often with too much external insulin, the body's own pancreas shuts down. If Luke had diabetes and it was poorly controlled this may have been another contributor to kidney damage.
i wonder how Milos "the guru" feels now?
Agree with this. I don't believe steroids are directly toxic to the kidneys, but there are several aspects of the bodybuilding lifestyle that place people at increased risk for renal failure. Steroids elevate blood pressure and this can certainly harm the kidneys. Also as stated NSAIDS and chronically elevated blood surgars (from insulin) are without a doubt associated with kidney failure. Regarding lasix, not sure that lasix is toxic to the kidneys per se as some have stated. Diuretics are actually used to treat many conditions, including kidney failure. The one scenario under which it could damage the kidneys is if you took it and became severely volume depleted. Under this scenario, the body will reduce blood flow to the kidneys to hold onto water and in doing so, the cells can become damaged from lack of oxygen. This tends to be an acute thing, though. But either way, most bodybuilders are doing their kidneys no favors.
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the diff is im against abuse of diuretics,, and im against narcotics,, i used to be for bodybuilding as olympic sport im very serious,, everyone know we use hormones duh,,the problem is that those mother fuckers pushed in abuse of diuretics and narcotics and alot of shit we dont touch pgcl balonies all that crap ,,use dnp in doses unheard of,, use all kind ofg balonie that its just not needed,, if you are a good bodybuild you will know how to dial in with the help of diuretic yes but ABUSE? you need to fuckin have the foundation and you need hormones ofcourse but you also dont need to sit and abuse the harsh narcotics and diuretics ..they will and are ending lives ,, they do ,, its not like luke wood was the only one waiting on kidny .....many before him and many after him ,, i start thinking maybe it better to stay on dialasys in that situation ,,
and! worst thing of all!,, he kept coming and blessing mishko his good friend!! his goodo goood good friend!,, he used to tell me al the time mishko my good friend ,, FUCK THAT SHIT GREAT FRIEND,, where was mishko sarcev when luke wood was taking his last breath?
i tell you who was there...the poor mom was there THE ONE WHO TRULY was gave care,, she gave him fuckin life,,
GOOD JOB MILOS! one more on your resume
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fair enough.!!
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It is sad that Luke Wood passed. It is also sad that people cannot leave it at that and simply express their condolences. It is sad that some folks are using his death (as they have with other bodybuilders) as a platform to discuss the pros and cons of supplements, steroids and a bodybuilder's diet. No doubt, he made some choices in life that some others might not. But, they were his choices to make.
My wife has had type II diabetes for the past thirty-five years. Her kidney function is at about 25% and holding. I know from her experience that this holding pattern is the result of a very delicate balance of diet and meds. Once someone's kidney function is compromised, it is an ongoing daily challenge to stay healthy and keep one's kidneys functioning as best as they can.
All the discussion in the world will not bring Luke Wood back to life. I believe he retired from professional bodybuilding in 2009. Judging from his parting speech, it was a gut wrenching decision for him. This leads me to believe that his health was already seriously declining two years ago. Personally, I believe it is better to go for what you love, despite the risks involved. The fact remains we will all die someday anyway. Better to have lived until you die then to have lived a life trying to prevent the inevitable and thus really never lived at all.
If my goal were to be a monster built bodybuilder and the only way to get there was by using supplements and steroids, I'd do it without regret. Better that then to have no goals and do nothing. I am sixty-seven years old. Fortunately I am very healthy. I have used steroids in moderation over the years. I don't think there is anything wrong with this. It is my health and my decision to do what I want with my life....just as it was Luke Wood's decision to do what he wanted to do to achieve his goals in life.
I say let the man rest in peace!
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It is sad that Luke Wood passed. It is also sad that people cannot leave it at that and simply express their condolences. It is sad that some folks are using his death (as they have with other bodybuilders) as a platform to discuss the pros and cons of supplements, steroids and a bodybuilder's diet. No doubt, he made some choices in life that some others might not. But, they were his choices to make.
My wife has had type II diabetes for the past thirty-five years. Her kidney function is at about 25% and holding. I know from her experience that this holding pattern is the result of a very delicate balance of diet and meds. Once someone's kidney function is compromised, it is an ongoing daily challenge to stay healthy and keep one's kidneys functioning as best as they can.
All the discussion in the world will not bring Luke Wood back to life. I believe he retired from professional bodybuilding in 2009. Judging from his parting speech, it was a gut wrenching decision for him. This leads me to believe that his health was already seriously declining two years ago. Personally, I believe it is better to go for what you love, despite the risks involved. The fact remains we will all die someday anyway. Better to have lived until you die then to have lived a life trying to prevent the inevitable and thus really never lived at all.
If my goal were to be a monster built bodybuilder and the only way to get there was by using supplements and steroids, I'd do it without regret. Better that then to have no goals and do nothing. I am sixty-seven years old. Fortunately I am very healthy. I have used steroids in moderation over the years. I don't think there is anything wrong with this. It is my health and my decision to do what I want with my life....just as it was Luke Wood's decision to do what he wanted to do to achieve his goals in life.
I say let the man rest in peace!
great words man. very powerful. props.
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Keep this thread focused...
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im pissed about luke death,, im too mad to write it now,, tomorow
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Sorry for taking liberties with your post gh15, but your feelings are valid and I think they should be posted here. There is nothing wrong with being pissed when someone dies. I hope you will write something about it tomorrow. Write it here.
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luke wood SHOULD NOT HAVE DIED,, this is 36 year old or how eveer old even 46 year old it is too young,, this is not 1711 when fellas die at 45,, this is 2011 ,,his death is another stain that no one will care about in 2 weeks because of gurus who make money on goolible fellas,, and he was too nice like bob chick say ,, he actualy believed in it! he saw mr o in the future and first look i took of him i knew this can never be mr o but still no reason to die,, if you only knew how many more in this situations and not famous in the cult...
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First and foremost, rest in peace Luke. You did it your way. My heart goes out to Luke's mother, fiance', friends and family. Luke was a genuinely goodhearted person that had ZERO ill-will or words towards anyone. He was an excellent bodybuilder, but an even better person. The man is gone now and won't be seen ever again. Respect the fact that there are people whose hearts are literally SHATTERED by this.
I'm of the opinion that the blame game is completely inappropriate in this situation. Under Milos' tutelage or any other "guru", Luke would have been told to use obscene amounts of drugs. That goes without saying. This lifestyle revolves around the use and abuse of these substances and it is unfortunate, but when you make the adult decision to make this YOUR lifestyle you put yourself in the crosshairs. The fact of the matter is that when the majority of your life's passion has been put into this lifestyle, it really takes an extreme like this to finally let go of it. You can see the numbers on the bloodwork and feel the wrong going on inside your body, but letting go of what you love and basically all you know is hard.
Anyhow, goodbye Luke Wood, I hope you didn't suffer.
PS: Milos is a person too and spent WAY too much time with Luke to not be devastated by his death.
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gh15 telling it like it is.how long before some crying heart promoter tries to run a memorial luke wood competition to cash in on his name??
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Whatever we want to say about drugs and so on the unvarnished truth is the culture in LA is where the 'state-of-the-art' is practiced. Ray Mentzer stayed at my place in Sydney for several months back in 1988. His partner at the time, Kathy, said she would not live with Ray if he was preparing for bodybuilding contests. Apparently Ray and his training partners would take drugs to get keen to train. Then they took stuff to level off after the high of training. Toss in the anabolics, etc., and you have a recipe for disaster.
When I visited Ray in LA in 1991 we were going out to a club one night but I told Ray I had a bad headache and couldn't go. He told me to take one of these pills he offered me. Well, I don't take pills that I don't know what they are. He insisted they were nothing but my headache would disappear. I must have been in pain because I relented that one time. Guess what? My headache was soon gone. I have no idea what those pills were. I can imagine someone close to Ray would enquire about those pills if severe headaches presented again and perhaps there was an addiction in the future. I have no idea.
Musclemen have always shared secrets with close mates and no one else. Most of those secrets related to bodybuilding drugs and I imagine Luke knew what others were doing. Some people have said they
warned Luke about various things and people but Luke decided who to befriend and listen to. Even a few weeks ago Luke posted on Milos's site wishing him the best. So Luke never blamed Milos
for his poor health. I think we have to be careful here re assertions about who said and did what. I have no idea what Luke did except for what he posted here on Getbig.
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luke got a lot of shit around here and just seemed to laugh at it, especially from that piece of shit "hank wood"
rest in peace
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First and foremost, rest in peace Luke. You did it your way. My heart goes out to Luke's mother, fiance', friends and family. Luke was a genuinely goodhearted person that had ZERO ill-will or words towards anyone. He was an excellent bodybuilder, but an even better person. The man is gone now and won't be seen ever again. Respect the fact that there are people whose hearts are literally SHATTERED by this.
I'm of the opinion that the blame game is completely inappropriate in this situation. Under Milos' tutelage or any other "guru", Luke would have been told to use obscene amounts of drugs. That goes without saying. This lifestyle revolves around the use and abuse of these substances and it is unfortunate, but when you make the adult decision to make this YOUR lifestyle you put yourself in the crosshairs. The fact of the matter is that when the majority of your life's passion has been put into this lifestyle, it really takes an extreme like this to finally let go of it. You can see the numbers on the bloodwork and feel the wrong going on inside your body, but letting go of what you love and basically all you know is hard.
Anyhow, goodbye Luke Wood, I hope you didn't suffer.
PS: Milos is a person too and spent WAY too much time with Luke to not be devastated by his death.
You do realize there is bodybuilding without Drugs, don`t you?
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PIP & RIP Luke
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RIP Luke. He took it too far. So young!
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As usual, there's one crew saying it was one thing, and then another crew coming back and saying it wasn't that but not really saying what it was or could have been.
Both sides present little fact and there is studies and/or experience regarding both sides. But again as with most deaths in this spectacle we're involved in, nothing is ever really told. Just like the Orville Burke mystery.
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As usual, there's one crew saying it was one thing, and then another crew coming back and saying it wasn't that but not really saying what it was or could have been.
Both sides present little fact and there is studies and/or experience regarding both sides. But again as with most deaths in this spectacle we're involved in, nothing is ever really told. Just like the Orville Burke mystery.
no it was one thing,, that thing was diuretic misuse and abuse together with pain killers,,like always in this cases,,
no need to hide truth or cover it
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You do realize there is bodybuilding without Drugs, don`t you?
Yes Adonis, I do. I was under the impression that this thread was about IFBB pro Luke Wood and his death and not natural bodybuilding though. Sorry.
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no it was one thing,, that thing was diuretic misuse and abuse together with pain killers,,like always in this cases,,
no need to hide truth or cover it
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You're on one side of the fence, GH.
Now someone else will come along (or already has in the previous pages) and say the opposite.
Comprende?
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no,, the diff is they lie and im saying the truth,, everyone can conect the dots...its always like this everyone that falls falls from this,, right now there are many top amatuers circa 2003 who are waiting for kidnys
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Musclemen have always shared secrets with close mates and no one else. Most of those secrets related to bodybuilding drugs and I imagine Luke knew what others were doing. Some people have said they
warned Luke about various things and people but Luke decided who to befriend and listen to. Even a few weeks ago Luke posted on Milos's site wishing him the best. So Luke never blamed Milos
for his poor health. I think we have to be careful here re assertions about who said and did what. I have no idea what Luke did except for what he posted here on Getbig.
85%flotsam. 12.5% jetsam 2.5% proprietary basile nonsense
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You do realize there is bodybuilding without Drugs, don`t you?
No there isnt
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Luke wasn't into narcotics... diuretics on a regular basis, yes.
Oh and gh15 yes anabolic steroids contribute to lowered kidney function lets not deny that.
Anabolic steroids, taken by some athletes to gain muscle mass and strength, can destroy kidney function, says a new study.
The study revealed that the habitual use of steroids has serious harmful effects on the kidneys that were not previously recognized.
Leal Herlitz, MD (Columbia University Medical Center) and her colleagues recently conducted a study describing injury to the kidneys following long-term abuse of anabolic steroids.
The researchers studied a group of 10 bodybuilders who used steroids for many years and developed protein leakage into the urine and severe reductions in kidney function. Kidney tests revealed that nine of the ten bodybuilders developed a condition called focal segmental glomerulosclerosis, a type of scarring within the kidneys. This disease typically occurs when the kidneys are overworked. The kidney damage in the bodybuilders has similarities to that seen in morbidly obese patients, but appears to be even more severe.
When bodybuilders discontinued steroid use their kidney abnormalities improved, with the exception of one individual with advanced kidney disease who developed end-stage kidney failure and required dialysis. Also, one of the bodybuilders started taking steroids again and suffered a relapse of severe kidney dysfunction. ( )
The researchers propose that extreme increases in muscle mass require the kidneys to increase their filtration rate, placing harmful levels of stress on these organs. It’s also likely that steroids have direct toxic effects on the kidneys. “Athletes who use anabolic steroids and the doctors caring for them need to be aware of the potentially serious risks to the kidney,” said Dr. Herlitz.
The study has been presented at the American Society of Nephrology’s 42nd Annual Meeting and Scientific Exposition in San Diego, CA.
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Luke wasn't into narcotics... diuretics on a regular basis, yes.
Oh and gh15 yes anabolic steroids contribute to lowered kidney function lets not deny that.
how do you know that? do you know he wasnt doign pain killers? do you think fellas walk around 6 feet 5'11 280lb of ripped meat just by blwoing up on some aas and hgh ? i can not go into detail with luke becaue it is a tread for his memory i guess and that nice female moderator linda or whatever her name is im too tired to scroll up not linda princess,, thats her name,, so i cant go into detail on this,,
i can garentee you though diuretics and some narcotics,, abuse of diuretics and some pain killers mix cocktail will do it to you after prolonged time,,
the only think i can say is that if you ever was about to walk on olympia stage infront of all the people and it is a big big deal olympia no matter how much fellas make fun of bodybuild,, it is big deal to walk on that stage,, and trust me we stop at nothing to look the best we can NOTHING,,
and inregard to hormones and kidny ....NO i have yet to see even ONE SINGLE FELLA lose a kidny from the usage of hormones only ,, NOT EVEN ONE ,, and i trained 100s over 100s of hormonized fellas that ONLY used hormones and that was it,, no one ever had kidny issues,, there was one thing interesting though,, the fellas who used CREATINE! ended up some of them ended up having kidny stones! and problems still didnt lose kidny but had kidny stones!,,so supplememts....
there is a reason i write on this boarding,,, im trying to get bodybuild to be what it USED to be,, im trying to take it away from what happend to luke,, i came little too late for luke ,, i only introduced to getbig and bodybuild cult in late 2005 was already too late for luke ,,maybe few years before it would have ended up diff
no matter how much you want it to be about other things...it is about one thing,, and! eventhough to you luke alwys looked older...due to you know what that i talked to million times...anabolic usage and hormonal usage to extreme... he still was a kid...27-28 -29 year old then ...it is a kid,, he was a kid
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I never posted that anabolic steroids leads directly to kidney failure however it is a contributory factor (Herlitz, Markowitz, Farris, Schwimmer, Stokes, Kunis, Colvin & D'Agati 2010).
Herlitz LC, Markowitz GS, Farris AB, Schwimmer JA, Stokes MB, Kunis C, Colvin RB, D'Agati VD. Development of focal segmental glomerulosclerosis after anabolic steroid abuse. J Am Soc Nephrol. 2010 Jan;21(1):163-72. Nov 16.
Might not be the straw that broke the camels back but lets stop this nonsense...
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forgot to mention creatine which GH 15 jsut mentioned
CREATINE has been well studied and documented to cause elevation in serum creatinine and may cause mild renal impairment in renal function.
if ppl are overdosing on this LEGAL supplement creatine they may not be aware of the possible risk of kidney damage due to creatine
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All the bodybuilders from the 60's and 70's are well past their seventies and will prob go past 80 years maybe 90.... Branch? Cutler? Phil? Kai? Ronnie! Not sure they will see golden years like Arnold, Lou, Franco, Zane
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all i know is that 1000s of 1000s of fellas all ove rthe world doing hormones im talking about 100s of thousands of men and women with no problems what so ever,, all athletes ,, house wives,, figure girls,, actors,, anyone and anything not even bodybuilding,, and no problems,,
same fellas do some creatine for few months and complain about kidnys ,,say sharp pains,,not all but a numebr i trained,,
steroids have a bad name because of our dumb cult,, insted of promoting how good they are for you ....we use that stupid pain killers and diuretics and die ...then guess who the public blame? whats the easiest word to remember when you think bodybuilding?
s t e r o i d s
its like saying satan,, what do you think of when you hear the word steroids? i always see this 2 horn fella cartoon with the red eyes ...this is how bad public made it look like!! this is how the cult failed !
steroids are nothing! they are LEGAL AND NOT EVEN CONTROLLED IN PORTUGAL AND IN TURKY AND IN SOUTH AMERICA WHERE BODYBUILDING IS FLYING HIGH HIGH VERY GOOD BODYBUILDERS,, AND HALF THE WORLD IT IS NOT CONTROLLED AND LEGAL LIKE PROTIEN POWDER,,
its nothing to do with steroids,, it is the narcotics and diuretic abuse that ruin us ,, people dont get it
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All the bodybuilders from the 60's and 70's are well past their seventies and will prob go past 80 years maybe 90.... Branch? Cutler? Phil? Kai? Ronnie! Not sure they will see golden years like Arnold, Lou, Franco, Zane
zane is a regular guy ,, he will most likley grow old i dont know until what age ,, but he is already in his older years and seem liek a nice good hapy fella,, and he used aas and also diuretics but DID NOT ABUSE THOSE DIURETICS,,
funny thing is all the 240lb bodybuuild all talk and talk how big they are ,, and in reality everytime i see them next to 190lb zane he make them look like they dont belong on bodybuilding stage,, THIS! is the power of perfection ,, same for sagi kalev...look at his 190lb lol make fellas 240lb go to the mirror check their arms every 2 seconds since they can not understand how he has 19 inch arms sub 6% at 190 ,, ITS ALL IN THE QUALITY ,, conditioned size!
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forgot to mention creatine which GH 15 jsut mentioned
CREATINE has been well studied and documented to cause elevation in serum creatinine and may cause mild renal impairment in renal function.
if ppl are overdosing on this LEGAL supplement creatine they may not be aware of the possible risk of kidney damage due to creatine
I have personally witnessed gym members develop jaundice over supplement usage. That is a fact.
When ProHormones first came out, the bottles had more disclaimers than directions for usage. Most folks have the "if a little is good, more is better" attitude.
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oh yes they will fuck you up,, those pro hormones and that creatine and all that for long time wil fuck you up ,, it can really mess you up to a point when you get real hormones you wont respond to them as well as you could ,, im NOT joking!
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gh15 everyone wants to be a bb but nobody wants to die for it.
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I have personally witnessed gym members develop jaundice over supplement usage. That is a fact.
When ProHormones first came out, the bottles had more disclaimers than directions for usage. Most folks have the "if a little is good, more is better" attitude.
what kind of supplements were they using
all supplements are garbage anyways :-\ might aswell burn or throw your $ in the garbage.. same shit
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For the 1000's of dollars people use on drugs and supplements of all shapes and forms ..........take just a little bit of that money and get a regular physical and blood work.
Surely had Luke been doing this he would had known years before his retirement that his organs were going south. Kidneys just do not get up and go to shit in a couple of months.
But then with a pre exsisting kidney condition one might think that Luke was seeking regular medical attention?? Probably not because the doctors would had told him to get off all the drugs...clearly he was not ready to do that until he finally had no choice.
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No there isnt
Explain.
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For the 1000's of dollars people use on drugs and supplements of all shapes and forms ..........take just a little bit of that money and get a regular physical and blood work.
Surely had Luke been doing this he would had known years before his retirement that his organs were going south. Kidneys just do not get up and go to shit in a couple of months.
he would see it in the urine and he did see it in urine like anyone with problems,, with kidnys YOU FEEL IT,, there i no need for no blood tes balonie,, you feel it ,, when sometihing is wrong with kidny you feel that shit! you see that shit! you will feel it when you pee,, you will see blood at times,, the color will be disgusting at times ,, you know something is wrong you dont need no blood test to know something is wrong,, and you are so tired that you cant do nothing but sleep all day long,, its not like you sleep 10 hours...or 12 hours...you fuckin wake up after 12 hours...and stay awake 40 min and guess what? you go back to sleep another 8 hours!
you know very well when kidnys dont feel good
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Bodybuilders are men. They don't like to go to see the doctor nor do they tell others when they are sick. Especially if they are sick because of bodybuilding. Sweep it under the
carpet and pretend it didn't happen. gh15 laments what has happened to Luke and others yet here he is giving info about heaps of dangerous substances that NO ONE should be messing with. I don't trust him
or anyone else when it comes to my health. Life is short enough without taking risks for silly trophies and titles. Thank goodness those Mr Universe titles aren't so important any more. It won't stop the muscleheads who
want to transcend ordinary mortals and become Mr Olympia.
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he would see it in the urine and he did see it in urine like anyone with problems,, with kidnys YOU FEEL IT,, there i no need for no blood tes balonie,, you feel it ,, when sometihing is wrong with kidny you feel that shit! you see that shit! you will feel it when you pee,, you will see blood at times,, the color will be disgusting at times ,, you know something is wrong you dont need no blood test to know something is wrong,, and you are so tired that you cant do nothing but sleep all day long,, its not like you sleep 10 hours...or 12 hours...you fuckin wake up after 12 hours...and stay awake 40 min and guess what? you go back to sleep another 8 hours!
you know very well when kidnys dont feel good
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Bet Milo told him to drink more gallons of water to flush his kidneys ... Some fuckin guru Milo turned Out to be.... I think Luke wants his money errrrr life back
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you can flash your kidnys from morning to night,, if they wanna quit on you due to harsh narcotics and abuse of diuretic that done for long time....its not a matter of doing it 2 weeks here you talk years... did you see the condition luke was 6 weeks out at times? didnt you see it was diurecit written all over it ? huge and shredded almost peeled like only the insulin made it seem less than peeled but he was in the peel condition mode,, meaning in the early 90s it would be andreas kind of condiditon , i swear my kidny is hurting now just from talking about this ,, i have pain in my right kidny right now from mentioning this shit
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gh15 the only subject I would enjoy talking about with you is women. You seem to have been around and know more about them than most men.
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he would see it in the urine and he did see it in urine like anyone with problems,, with kidnys YOU FEEL IT,, there i no need for no blood tes balonie,, you feel it ,, when sometihing is wrong with kidny you feel that shit! you see that shit! you will feel it when you pee,, you will see blood at times,, the color will be disgusting at times ,, you know something is wrong you dont need no blood test to know something is wrong,, and you are so tired that you cant do nothing but sleep all day long,, its not like you sleep 10 hours...or 12 hours...you fuckin wake up after 12 hours...and stay awake 40 min and guess what? you go back to sleep another 8 hours!
you know very well when kidnys dont feel good
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Are you a medical doctor? Go give your hand job like a good little schmoe.
Blood work physicals and ultra sounds should be part of any sport supplement regiment. People are going to use if they want to, this can not be stopped but at least give them the direction to try and keep them safe from DEATH. This means doctors and tests.
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no one wil do it ,, no one!,, i told you when we go check blood...when we are in hospital already for something else,, or if we dont feel good for good 30 days lol which never happen because bodybuilders never get sick ,, rarely...
no bodybuild will go to mandatory blood check when we are on so much stuff,, for what? to hear the doc tell us that our blood is wack lol we know it lol it all get stabalized with time,, body want stabilization ,,doc will only lecture,,
there is a time and place for docs...but no one will do it mandatory ,, no one! now if doc would also give 10 kits of gh with the blood test then we all gonna run there super fast!
learn your cult fucktard
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if you want safe don't inject little bottles with no label this might help.
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I get it, I really do. I am old so I read the obituaries in the newspaper. I always check to see how old the deceased is and were and how they died. When the obituary doesn't reveal information on why or how they died, I am disappointed. However morbid it is, I know I do this because I hope to figure out how I can stay alive a bit longer.
When a bodybuilder dies, we all become obituary readers, hoping to find out how this person died so that we can avoid a similar demise. It is a morbid curiosity really. Many of us are wondering, do I do enough shit to kill me off early? Will I be another steroid statistic like Luke Woods? Of course we seldom have all the facts and even if we did, would it really change anything for us?
Life is risky. In order to become an elite bodybuilder today, one is likely to engage in all sorts of risky behaviors. Maybe Luke Wood did this and maybe he didn't....only he knows for sure and he is no longer in a position to tell us. Never the less, it is sad when someone in their prime passes on. I didn't know Luke, and I feel sad for him and more importantly for all those who knew and loved him.
Anyway, as some of you feel the need to digress about whatever you think caused Luke Wood's premature death, keep in mind that there are people who may read these posts who loved Luke and are suffering right now because he died. Have some compassion and respect for these folks when you post your feelings here.
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he would see it in the urine and he did see it in urine like anyone with problems,, with kidnys YOU FEEL IT,, there i no need for no blood tes balonie,, you feel it ,, when sometihing is wrong with kidny you feel that shit! you see that shit! you will feel it when you pee,, you will see blood at times,, the color will be disgusting at times ,, you know something is wrong you dont need no blood test to know something is wrong,, and you are so tired that you cant do nothing but sleep all day long,, its not like you sleep 10 hours...or 12 hours...you fuckin wake up after 12 hours...and stay awake 40 min and guess what? you go back to sleep another 8 hours!
you know very well when kidnys dont feel good
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THIS...
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I never posted that anabolic steroids leads directly to kidney failure however it is a contributory factor (Herlitz, Markowitz, Farris, Schwimmer, Stokes, Kunis, Colvin & D'Agati 2010).
Herlitz LC, Markowitz GS, Farris AB, Schwimmer JA, Stokes MB, Kunis C, Colvin RB, D'Agati VD. Development of focal segmental glomerulosclerosis after anabolic steroid abuse. J Am Soc Nephrol. 2010 Jan;21(1):163-72. Nov 16.
Might not be the straw that broke the camels back but lets stop this nonsense...
Case reports such as this cannot control for other factors, like diuretic use. You have to rely on whatever info the patients choose to tell you.
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forgot to mention creatine which GH 15 jsut mentioned
CREATINE has been well studied and documented to cause elevation in serum creatinine and may cause mild renal impairment in renal function.
if ppl are overdosing on this LEGAL supplement creatine they may not be aware of the possible risk of kidney damage due to creatine
Possible, but on the other hand, creatine has been used in large clinical trials, under medical supervision without adverse effects. Maybe on higher dosages though...
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Case reports such as this cannot control for other factors, like diuretic use. You have to rely on whatever info the patients choose to tell you.
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How can you account for the improved kidney function after ceasing anabolic steroid use?
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he would see it in the urine and he did see it in urine like anyone with problems,, with kidneys YOU FEEL IT,, there i no need for no blood tes balonie,, you feel it ,, when sometihing is wrong with kidny you feel that shit! you see that shit! you will feel it when you pee,, you will see blood at times,, the color will be disgusting at times ,, you know something is wrong you dont need no blood test to know something is wrong,, and you are so tired that you cant do nothing but sleep all day long,, its not like you sleep 10 hours...or 12 hours...you fuckin wake up after 12 hours...and stay awake 40 min and guess what? you go back to sleep another 8 hours!
you know very well when kidnys dont feel good
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I beg to differ with you on this. My wife has lost 75% of her kidney function because of diabetes. This didn't happen over night. When you lose kidney function, this affects every other body function. You may feel like shit, but the message isn't like a sign that your kidneys are screwed. It is much more complicated than that. However, I will say that you are right about one thing and that is being constantly tired. My wife sleeps more than half the day away most days. Of course, like many long term diabetics she also suffers from congestive heart failure. It is hard to pinpoint one problem over another because all of these functions, heart and kidneys are interrelated. By the way, my wife has never taken one steroid or done any other illicit drug. Shit happens to folks. It is not always about steroid or drug abuse.
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luke dead wtf??
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luke dead wtf??
Not luke dead, luke wood.
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Luke's got wood wtf??
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Luke Wood died for you, Bitches.......it sadden me everytime a young blood died in this business. we can speculate all we want, the fact that a family lose a loved one is no laughing matter.............
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thats sad he always was a nice guy.
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Lets' hope that funeral service will be uninterrupted by crashers.
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Lets' hope that funeral service will be uninterrupted by crashers.
Are you implying that a certain Australian getbigger that drives a van and lives in a warehouse might consider to keep his schedule free once the date of the funeral is announced?
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Are you implying that a certain Australian getbigger that drives a van and lives in a warehouse might consider to keep his schedule free once the date of the funeral is announced?
Probably en route, as we speak. Facebooking the mourners for availability, and heftiness, too.
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I beg to differ with you on this. My wife has lost 75% of her kidney function because of diabetes. This didn't happen over night. When you lose kidney function, this affects every other body function. You may feel like shit, but the message isn't like a sign that your kidneys are screwed. It is much more complicated than that. However, I will say that you are right about one thing and that is being constantly tired. My wife sleeps more than half the day away most days. Of course, like many long term diabetics she also suffers from congestive heart failure. It is hard to pinpoint one problem over another because all of these functions, heart and kidneys are interrelated. By the way, my wife has never taken one steroid or done any other illicit drug. Shit happens to folks. It is not always about steroid or drug abuse.
I assume she has type 2 diabetes, which the vast majority of people with ESRD and on dialysis do. ESRD from type 2 diabetes doesn't just "happen", it's a slow progressive disease that can be altogether avoided with proper diet amd exercise.
Like luke Many these people are responsible for their condition due to sheer neglect over their health and gluttony. Dialysis is a huge problem is this country due to the rising rates Of obesity and DM 2, and Medicare picks up he whole tab.
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Probably en route, as we speak. Facebooking the mourners for availability, and heftiness, too.
This guy really has no dignity. :-X :-X :-X
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R.I.P.
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RIP.. way too young, but at least he had a blast 8) died doing what he love. im 100% sure its the diuretic abuse, you could tell he did abuse them, when someone has cadaver leanness face most of the time, almost always dry and veiny like a cock on every pictures... diuretic should be before a show only, not every week in order to look better...
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This is a sad day, a real example of the sickness rampant in the BBing culture.
I can just see some 12 yr old kid looking a flex of pics of dudes like Luke, getting inspired and sucked into the world of BBing, thinking all it takes is hard work, dedication and maybe some creatine and protein powder. I remeber when I was young and I finally learned the truth about BBing hiding behind he wizard's curtain.
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Sad Day. Condolences to the family.
This is yet another wake up call to all you users. Steroids aren't healthy. Don't be a fool and believe you're not at risk.
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This has nothing to do with the death of Luke Wood, but just because a guy is nice doesn't mean he isnt a narcotics addicts, like narcotics make you an asshole lol, someof the nicest guys I know are some of the worst addicts to anything you can imagine, in fact them being very nice often has something to do with their addiction, they are constantly nervous and worried so they ask you how are you, sorry this sorry that, very polite and accommodating, but horriible horrible addicts
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Posted on another forum for Luke.
Rest In Peace Luke
I know Luke has a lot of friends and fans of his who have followed him here on bolex for years so I know this is the place he would want me to write this up. This was his home and even though he didn't post here very often over the past 12 months it was only because he missed bodybuilding so much and it was hard for him to come back on here because he missed the ‘old days’.
I received a call from Luke's beautiful fiancé Nora at around 1230am this morning telling me that Luke had undergone emergency surgery to treat internal bleeding from his recent transplant, it was supposed to be fairly minor surgery but that he hadn't made it through it and his heart had stopped. Luke had passed away. Obviously Lorena and i were both devastated but our main concern was for Nora and Luke's family so we rushed straight to Westmead hospital.
When we arrived we went straight into see Nora and Luke's family and tried to make sense of what had happened. It was very sudden and unexpected but I have to say Nora, Luke's mum and Luke's brother Adam were all very strong and courageous people, they were truly in shock like we all were but handled it with a bravery that i didn't know existed.
I'm not too good in these situations so the best i could offer was to walk Nora in when we were finally allowed in to see Luke, hold her hand as she said goodbye to him and help her walk out of the building when the time came to finally leave. One of the hardest and most gut wrenching moments of my life.
Afterwards we went back to Nora's family’s home and just basically sat there for i don't know how long and just let it begin to sink in. Haven’t really slept at all since then to be honest I can only imagine what Luke’s family is feeling right now.
I have known Luke for a long time and what he has done for me as a mate and a mentor in bodybuilding will never be forgotten. He would not want any of us to dwell on the negatives but to remember him for all his positives. All the good times with his mates training, eating, laughing and living his dream of being a Pro Bodybuilder freaking people out wherever he want. He truly was an Aussie Mass monster and did us all proud.
His family appreciate all the support and I am going to see Nora tonight again and she has asked to see this thread so if anyone has some photos of Luke they would like to dig up and post please do so as she would love to see them. Rest In Peace brother and I’m sorry I’ve been so busy lately setting up the shop that we never had the dinner I promised the past few weeks, I'll do what i can to look after Nora to try and make it back up to you brother.
Nora has seen this thread and is overwhelmed by all the support and has said how happy Luke would be to know he touched so many peoples lives in the BB communtiy in Australia. She is a very strong person but as you can imagine this is so hard for her and Luke's family but they are dealing with it as best they can. Hopefully there will be details of Luke's funeral tomorrow so we can all come together and celebrate the life of Luke and say our final goodbyes.
Nora has said all are welcome to attend because that is how Luke would have wanted it, surrounded by all his mates.
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RIP to a great guy. Though I haven't spoke to him in a year, he was a friend. We met up at numerous shows. My wife & I were with him for the New York Pro, I think it was 2006, when IMO he was at his stage best. Went out to dinner afterward, he was so happy. Always a nice person to everyone. Hate to hear this. I wish his family the best.
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Opps didnt see this thread... RIP big man... Out of all the pros that I have induced meltingdown, you were the only one to threaten me with an Axe.... may you find solace in the big backstage oiling up thongathon in the sky.
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he would see it in the urine and he did see it in urine like anyone with problems,, with kidnys YOU FEEL IT,, there i no need for no blood tes balonie,, you feel it ,, when sometihing is wrong with kidny you feel that shit! you see that shit! you will feel it when you pee,, you will see blood at times,, the color will be disgusting at times ,, you know something is wrong you dont need no blood test to know something is wrong,, and you are so tired that you cant do nothing but sleep all day long,, its not like you sleep 10 hours...or 12 hours...you fuckin wake up after 12 hours...and stay awake 40 min and guess what? you go back to sleep another 8 hours!
you know very well when kidnys dont feel good
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This is incorrect. By the time you can "see" or "feel" something wrong with your kidneys, they have lost 90% of their function. BTW, the only nociceptors for the kidney are in the lining around the kidney. Meaning, you can't and wont feel any problem unless your kidney is inflammed, gets larger, and presses against the lining.
Get blood tests. Even small amounts of protein and creatinine can mean you are having possible serious kidney issues, that you most definitely can NOT feel.
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Explain.
you can certainly attempt to be a bodybuilder without drugs and you could even build a nice, lean, muscular physique doing so but one could never possibly look like a BODYBUILDER in the modern sense of the term without drug use. nay, abuse.
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How can you account for the improved kidney function after ceasing anabolic steroid use?
how do you count for the improve kidny function after you walk in the desert for 5 days with your yearly highschool class trip?
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RIP.. way too young, but at least he had a blast 8) died doing what he love. im 100% sure its the diuretic abuse, you could tell he did abuse them, when someone has cadaver leanness face most of the time, almost always dry and veiny like a cock on every pictures... diuretic should be before a show only, not every week in order to look better...
ofcoiurse it is ,, big abuser,, hormones imrpove your health not destroy it,, its the diuretic abuse and narcotic addition that KILL you! ,, i kep explainign it to you for years ,, luke wood was addicted to diuretics and he DID pain killers! and it wasnt a once ina life time occations,, ONE LOOK AT HIM SCREAM ABUSE OF EVERYTHING HE COULD POSSIBLE GET HIS HANDS ON ,, and dont blame only milos...he ws there before milos too,, he wanted a pro card ,,he wanted to be FREAKY PRO,, he just didnt have the genetic respond to be very freaky ...if he did his arms would hav ebeen much much bigger
i told you this generation is fucked up and he was one of it,, very young very abuser very much on everything you can imagine!
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This has nothing to do with the death of Luke Wood, but just because a guy is nice doesn't mean he isnt a narcotics addicts, like narcotics make you an asshole lol, someof the nicest guys I know are some of the worst addicts to anything you can imagine, in fact them being very nice often has something to do with their addiction, they are constantly nervous and worried so they ask you how are you, sorry this sorry that, very polite and accommodating, but horriible horrible addicts
THERE YOU GO! THERE YOU FUCKING GO!,, very very good postings,, there are right now 100s of amatuers in middle of no where just fuckin give me a stae in americana name lol ,, middle of louiziana! that state i havent abused yet lol ,,anyway many amatuers theree! that....waiting on kidnys my friends,,
bodybuild is very simple ....its either you are bodybuilding and very serious abotu hormones and minimal diuretic usage,, and NO PARTY! NO DRINKING NO NARCOTICS,,
ORRRR YOU DO BODYBUILD AS WHATEVER....CLUBBING,, DRINKING,, NARCOTICS,, ETC YOU GET TO BE SOME TOP AMATUER 16 PLACE IN NATIONALS AND WITHIN 3-4 YEARS BECOME A SHADOW OF YOUR FORMER SELF 200LB OF BALONIE WITH 38 INCH SOFT BELLY WAITING ON A KIDNY SITTING TRAININNG CLIENTS... IN THE LOCAL NO WHERE TO BE FOUND GYM
this ! is! bodybuilding!
a combo of both can not happen ,, there is one fella who tried it...his name? chris comair i now made him an airline lol ,, chris comair tried both! and where did he get? have you noticed some health problem on him ? severe ones? he was SAVED BY THE GRACE OF GOD not evryone is that lucky and he is not completey out of trouble
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what do narcotics have to do with your kidneys?
I'm under the impression they are hard on the liver
I know they aren't good...no shit. but not detrimental to your kidneys, correct ?
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narcotics will fuck up your kidnys especialy if used in combo with diuretics for bodybuild,, it also depends on type of narcotics,, any pain killer to reduce inflamation especialy the stronger ones along with diuretic usage for prolonged period of times on a regular basis will finish your life slowly and safely ,, usualy people can pull it 2-3 years ,, then you know something is up because its not the regular being tired felling of letargic hormonizer,, it is being tired and not being able to go out of bed! period! meaning sleep 12 hours wake up for 30 min and go back to sleep another 8 ....meaning you pee blood,, meaning you pee your insides out,, meaning pain in the kidnys that is felt!,, meaning not being able to go on and train in the gym ,, yourbody give up on you ,, and most importantly SEVERE LOSS OF WEIGHT ,, and im talking here weight loss of 20 lb in matter of days and not water weight ,, not the regular 5-10 lb bodybuild lose when stop a compound,, im talking 20-30 lb of loss of muscle and fast
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you can certainly attempt to be a bodybuilder without drugs and you could even build a nice, lean, muscular physique doing so but one could never possibly look like a BODYBUILDER in the modern sense of the term without drug use. nay, abuse.
I disagree totally. There are many lifetime Naturals right now that PWN you and many others who are on drugs.
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Yes...Sad news :'(
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I disagree totally. There are many lifetime Naturals right now that PWN you and many others who are on drugs.
It's easy to PWN Tbombz in his current state, if he seriously leaned out and you could SEE the muscle he carries, it might be a different story.
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It's easy to PWN Tbombz in his current state, if he seriously leaned out and you could SEE the muscle he carries, it might be a different story.
He fucked himself up big time by already being so young and now relying on the drugs. He is looking at a lifetime of usage now with health problems down the road as he knows no other way. Steroids do have their place I believe, but only once someone is much older and then only to correct any imbalances.
This over usage at such a young age is a recipe for disaster in the long run.
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He fucked himself up big time by already being so young and now relying on the drugs. He is looking at a lifetime of usage now with health problems down the road as he knows no other way. Steroids do have their place I believe, but only once someone is much older and then only to correct any imbalances.
This over usage at such a young age is a recipe for disaster in the long run.
we would have no ifbb if this was the case my friend,, kuklo the kid has been hormonized since age 18,,even before... he would never get to be pro at 26 any other way ,, and yes not every one get a pro card at young age ...but you just get no where in bodybuild if not hormonized,,
165lb 6% is all nice and conditioned and very interesting...but the reality of the matter is there is no wow factor,,see while you see here pop to the muscle as the only wow factor ther is....the reality of the matter is ... that the actual wow facor lay deep within the thickness of the muscle....
take 165lb fella truely natual conditioned 6% then put next to him 195lb fella...6% hormonized ,,both 5'11...and you will see how thickness which is lean tissue thickness can make a night and day diff...
FOR EXAMPLE...take jeff rodrigez 180lb put it next to your 165lb and see the diff...night and day and this is! no where near 195 or 200lb or 210 or 220 or 240...
5lb diff of lean muscle tissue on a physiqe is BIG DEAL ,, 10 lb is huge deal ,, and 15-20+ lb diff is serious serious distruction ,,
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we would have no ifbb if this was the case my friend,, kuklo the kid has been hormonized since age 18,,even before... he would never get to be pro at 26 any other way ,, and yes not every one get a pro card at young age ...but you just get no where in bodybuild if not hormonized,,
165lb 6% is all nice and conditioned and very interesting...but the reality of the matter is there is no wow factor,,see while you see here pop to the muscle as the only wow factor ther is....the reality of the matter is ... that the actual wow facor lay deep within the thickness of the muscle....
take 165lb fella truely natual conditioned 6% then put next to him 195lb fella...6% hormonized ,,both 5'11...and you will see how thickness which is lean tissue thickness can make a night and day diff...
FOR EXAMPLE...take jeff rodrigez 180lb put it next to your 165lb and see the diff...night and day and this is! no where near 195 or 200lb or 210 or 220 or 240...
5lb diff of lean muscle tissue on a physiqe is BIG DEAL ,, 10 lb is huge deal ,, and 15-20+ lb diff is serious serious distruction ,,
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I just don`t think someone like Tbombz realizes that its a lifetime commitment to drug usage in order to achieve what he perceives as "the look".
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ofcourse he realize it ,, anyone who been in serious bodybuild know it from the first year lol ,, it is very very harsh bad lonely life,, it is very very very very VERY depressive life,, if you make money it may put smile on your face ON THE OUTSIDE,, but it is very bad life that the only shining moment is when you walk and see a woman all in shock and wondering or a whore that really look at you like most men look at her...you get the idea...this is the few good monens we have during a day ,,
in reality it is harsh life,, you shrink very fast if not on top of things,, you also blow up fast if go on things but not to the same quality if you stopped the continous usage,,
it is a chemical warfare as i said before,, the last one to stand survive,,and once again SOME FELLAS ARE IMMUNE TO SIDE EFFECTS ,, those are the same fellas who never get sick ,, those are the same fellas who end up being mr o.... see jason ,, see dorian ,, see ron ,,
no sides only positives,, ofcourse genetic predisposition to hair loss on head is common ,, but...some fellas just show no sides as in body from the inside can take drugs more and more and they show no sides period,, those are the ones who go very far in bodybuild,,
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What really happened phil Heath at last yrs Olympia so?
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gh15 hit the nail on the head, i dont even have to respond ;D
but ill addd a little bit... yes if i want to look like a bodybuilder ill continue to have to use drugs. so does everyone. but im lucky enough to be one of those fellas who are "immune to side effects"
there are nattys who PWN me? ;D um, ya, only in the midesection.
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Damn, that's sad to hear.
RIP & PIP Luke
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gh15,
you talk about all the top pros using narcotics, painkillers and the such in order to combat lethargy, function like a normal human,staying awake etc etc... Now my question is... Is it possible to make it to the top with out the narcs, painkillers ? Or if you want to be a top contender you NEED these things as in no choice in low or high doses ?
because from what I hear there isn't many.. IF any pros that don't use these types of substances :-\
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We have all heard the phrase “kidney failure.” When a kidney fails do they both fail at the same time? Obviously a person can live with one kidney so the need for transplant suggests both kidneys have failed simultaneously. That seems odd to me somehow. Anyone know . . . ?
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There are so many drugs involved in bodybuilding. None of which has been studied because the only ones using these crazy cocktails of stuff is the little subculture of bodybuilding. Steroids, insulin, growth hormone,luteinizing hormone, insulin, thyroid, speed, pain killers, diuretics, anit estrogens and spot oil injections are some of the stuff used. I would imagine putting oil in your body has to be filtered out by the kidneys and liver. I would imagine something as unnatural as oil in your body would destroy these organs. Also high blood pressure which so many bodybuilders have is incredibly hard on the kidneys.
Maybe he had a genetic failure of his kidneys. Maybe not.
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gh15 hit the nail on the head, i dont even have to respond ;D
but ill addd a little bit... yes if i want to look like a bodybuilder ill continue to have to use drugs. so does everyone. but im lucky enough to be one of those fellas who are "immune to side effects"
there are nattys who PWN me? ;D um, ya, only in the midesection.
How would you even know you are immune when you are barely old enough to drink. Are you even old enough to drink yet? ???
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Bodybuilding did retire him though...
I was actually 220lbs in November at 5'11. I was only 6% here. I was running, boxing alot and hardly doing any weight training. It was the fitness and healthiest i have ever felt. But i still have some unfinished business so im coming back. Now at 275lbs i feel great still! All drugs ha??? LOL!! i wish it was that easy!!! ::)
I will retire from bodybuilding one day when i please! Bodybuilding will not retire me!! ;)
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no one wil do it ,, no one!,, i told you when we go check blood...when we are in hospital already for something else,, or if we dont feel good for good 30 days lol which never happen because bodybuilders never get sick ,, rarely...
no bodybuild will go to mandatory blood check when we are on so much stuff,, for what? to hear the doc tell us that our blood is wack lol we know it lol it all get stabalized with time,, body want stabilization ,,doc will only lecture,,
there is a time and place for docs...but no one will do it mandatory ,, no one! now if doc would also give 10 kits of gh with the blood test then we all gonna run there super fast!
learn your cult fucktard
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I Know for a fact that Jay Cutler gets regular blood work and is followed by a Las Vegas Dr.
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What causes kidney failure?
Kidney failure can occur from an acute situation or from chronic problems.
In acute renal failure, kidney function is lost rapidly and can occur from a variety of insults to the body. The list of causes is often categorized based on where the injury has occurred.
Prerenal causes (pre=before + renal=kidney) causes are due to decreased blood supply to the kidney. Examples of prerenal causes of kidney failure are:
hypovolemia (low blood volume) due to blood loss;
dehydration from loss of body fluid (for example, vomiting, diarrhea, sweating, fever);
poor intake of fluids;
medication, for example, diuretics ("water pills") may cause excessive water loss; and
abnormal blood flow to and from the kidney due to obstruction of the renal artery or vein.
Renal causes of kidney failure (damage directly to the kidney itself) include:
Sepsis: The body's immune system is overwhelmed from infection and causes inflammation and shutdown of the kidneys. This usually does not occur with urinary tract infections.
Medications: Some medications are toxic to the kidney, including nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drugs like ibuprofen and naproxen. Others potentially toxic medications include antibiotics like aminoglycosides [gentamicin (Garamycin), tobramycin], lithium (Eskalith, Lithobid), iodine-containing medications such as those injected for radiology dye studies.
Rhabdomyolysis: This is a situation in which there is significant muscle breakdown in the body, and the damaged muscle fibers clog the filtering system of the kidneys. this can occur because of trauma, crush injuries, and burns. Some medications used to treat high cholesterol can cause rhabdomyolysis.
Multiple myeloma
Acute glomerulonephritis or inflammation of the glomeruli, the filtering system of the kidneys. Many diseases can cause this inflammation including systemic lupus erythematosus, Wegener's granulomatosis, and Goodpasture syndrome.
Post renal causes of kidney failure (post=after + renal= kidney) are due to factors that affect outflow of the urine:
Obstruction of the bladder or the ureters can cause back pressure because the kidneys continue to produce urine, but the obstruction acts like a dam, and urine backs up into the kidneys. When the pressure increases high enough, the kidneys are damaged and shut down.
Prostatic hypertrophy or prostate cancer may block the urethra and prevents the bladder from emptying.
Tumors in the abdomen that surround and obstruct the ureters.
Kidney stones. Usually, kidney stones affect only one kidney and do not cause kidney failure. However, if there is only one kidney present, a kidney stone may cause the lone kidney to fail.
Chronic renal failure develops over months and years. The most common causes of chronic renal failure are related to:
poorly controlled diabetes,
poorly controlled high blood pressure, and
chronic glomerulonephritis.
Less common causes of chronic renal failure include:
polycystic kidney disease,
reflux nephropathy,
kidney stones, and
prostate disease.
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What causes kidney failure?
Kidney failure can occur from an acute situation or from chronic problems.
In acute renal failure, kidney function is lost rapidly and can occur from a variety of insults to the body. The list of causes is often categorized based on where the injury has occurred.
Prerenal causes (pre=before + renal=kidney) causes are due to decreased blood supply to the kidney. Examples of prerenal causes of kidney failure are:
hypovolemia (low blood volume) due to blood loss;
dehydration from loss of body fluid (for example, vomiting, diarrhea, sweating, fever);
poor intake of fluids;
medication, for example, diuretics ("water pills") may cause excessive water loss; and
abnormal blood flow to and from the kidney due to obstruction of the renal artery or vein.
Renal causes of kidney failure (damage directly to the kidney itself) include:
Sepsis: The body's immune system is overwhelmed from infection and causes inflammation and shutdown of the kidneys. This usually does not occur with urinary tract infections.
Medications: Some medications are toxic to the kidney, including nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drugs like ibuprofen and naproxen. Others potentially toxic medications include antibiotics like aminoglycosides [gentamicin (Garamycin), tobramycin], lithium (Eskalith, Lithobid), iodine-containing medications such as those injected for radiology dye studies.
Rhabdomyolysis: This is a situation in which there is significant muscle breakdown in the body, and the damaged muscle fibers clog the filtering system of the kidneys. this can occur because of trauma, crush injuries, and burns. Some medications used to treat high cholesterol can cause rhabdomyolysis.
Multiple myeloma
Acute glomerulonephritis or inflammation of the glomeruli, the filtering system of the kidneys. Many diseases can cause this inflammation including systemic lupus erythematosus, Wegener's granulomatosis, and Goodpasture syndrome.
Post renal causes of kidney failure (post=after + renal= kidney) are due to factors that affect outflow of the urine:
Obstruction of the bladder or the ureters can cause back pressure because the kidneys continue to produce urine, but the obstruction acts like a dam, and urine backs up into the kidneys. When the pressure increases high enough, the kidneys are damaged and shut down.
Prostatic hypertrophy or prostate cancer may block the urethra and prevents the bladder from emptying.
Tumors in the abdomen that surround and obstruct the ureters.
Kidney stones. Usually, kidney stones affect only one kidney and do not cause kidney failure. However, if there is only one kidney present, a kidney stone may cause the lone kidney to fail.
Chronic renal failure develops over months and years. The most common causes of chronic renal failure are related to:
poorly controlled diabetes,
poorly controlled high blood pressure, and
chronic glomerulonephritis.
Less common causes of chronic renal failure include:
polycystic kidney disease,
reflux nephropathy,
kidney stones, and
prostate disease.
thank you portlandia science man. most of us know how much luke loved using finaplix based trenbolone, especially in its water-based form which not many know how to manufacture but if done correctly is extremely effective but also very damaging. unfortunately it damages the nephrons in a matter of weeks which in most cases do not regenerate. he knew but went ahead; addicted by the results yet in denial about his overall structural deficiencies which he tried to compensate with critical mass. me, silvio, dennis, milos even nasser told him to tone it down. it's unfortunate.
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I met Luke and spoke to him once at the Olympia in Vegas...
PIP
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gh15,
you talk about all the top pros using narcotics, painkillers and the such in order to combat lethargy, function like a normal human,staying awake etc etc... Now my question is... Is it possible to make it to the top with out the narcs, painkillers ? Or if you want to be a top contender you NEED these things as in no choice in low or high doses ?
because from what I hear there isn't many.. IF any pros that don't use these types of substances :-\
to which top thats the question ,, now day to be like kai green and jason and philsulina and branch and denise,, not only do you need great genetic respond but you really need to know your pharmacy ,, look at raymond he want to be not even mr o he want to do well in 202! or 212 whatever that is ,, and look at him not even open competitor only the 200lb zones...and he will stop at absolit nothing ,, it is harsh life im telling you you need lots of products ,, walking around 220 5'5 6% is something that is very very hard n every little organ in your body you need ltos of products to combat that,, and even worse....walking 280 at 5'10 6% its just not humanly possible with out combating it with diff drugs to be able to function ,,
280lb 6% think about this number,, not 6'6 fella,, a 5'8 fella! that hold 280 lb 6% on his bones,, this is serious serious problems that you tackle in every day living and need to combat them via products used,,
now it is possible to get very high in bodybuild like it used to be in 70s....and in 80s.... with out the use of narcotics ,, the problem is that the judges dont want it no more,, they want advanced apes prefer it over lean cheetas
serge nubret...samir....those level of physiqes can be achieved with out narcotics those are the best bodybuilders too,, have no doubt about it serge and samir and dixerson and zane and haney ,,and labrada wereall much much better than the ones of today ,, look at labrada ....he knows his drugs well ,, he grew older gracfuly ,, he got sucess,, he raised a family,, he still do and did hormones,, but he has this little thing called brain in the head of his...he knew what he wanted and stopped at that!
who would you like to be stucked with on sinking shit with? a typical today pro or lee labrada? who will you have better chances to survive with ? who will be fast thinker and be able to perform ? the answer for this is also the answer for who was better bodybuilder,,
someone you can count on ....that thing DISSAPEARED from bodybuilding with this generation ,, completely and utterly dissapeared
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to which top thats the question ,, now day to be like kai green and jason and philsulina and branch and denise,, not only do you need great genetic respond but you really need to know your pharmacy ,, look at raymond he want to be not even mr o he want to do well in 202! or 212 whatever that is ,, and look at him not even open competitor only the 200lb zones...and he will stop at absolit nothing ,, it is harsh life im telling you you need lots of products ,, walking around 220 5'5 6% is something that is very very hard n every little organ in your body you need ltos of products to combat that,, and even worse....walking 280 at 5'10 6% its just not humanly possible with out combating it with diff drugs to be able to function ,,
280lb 6% think about this number,, not 6'6 fella,, a 5'8 fella! that hold 280 lb 6% on his bones,, this is serious serious problems that you tackle in every day living and need to combat them via products used,,
now it is possible to get very high in bodybuild like it used to be in 70s....and in 80s.... with out the use of narcotics ,, the problem is that the judges dont want it no more,, they want advanced apes prefer it over lean cheetas
serge nubret...samir....those level of physiqes can be achieved with out narcotics those are the best bodybuilders too,, have no doubt about it serge and samir and dixerson and zane and haney ,,and labrada wereall much much better than the ones of today ,, look at labrada ....he knows his drugs well ,, he grew older gracfuly ,, he got sucess,, he raised a family,, he still do and did hormones,, but he has this little thing called brain in the head of his...he knew what he wanted and stopped at that!
who would you like to be stucked with on sinking shit with? a typical today pro or lee labrada? who will you have better chances to survive with ? who will be fast thinker and be able to perform ? the answer for this is also the answer for who was better bodybuilder,,
someone you can count on ....that thing DISSAPEARED from bodybuilding with this generation ,, completely and utterly dissapeared
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I guess you would be speaking about exercising some common sense when it comes to what one puts into their body.
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RIP Luke..
He knew what he was doing. So He should take it. ;)
If he was happy for his life, he did good. :)
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did he have any kids?
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We have all heard the phrase “kidney failure.” When a kidney fails do they both fail at the same time? Obviously a person can live with one kidney so the need for transplant suggests both kidneys have failed simultaneously. That seems odd to me somehow. Anyone know . . . ?
when kidny fails it doesnt have to happen to both kidnys,,but....with diuretics absue and insulina abuse and narcotic abuse....both kidnys have hard time to survive,,
again it is NOT the aas or the hgh ,, they do nothing but improve your life and look ....look at bodybuild from 70s and 80s that did only hormones aas and hgh and some other stuff but didnt use narcotics and didnt use insulina and didnt use diuretic in abusive way ,, look at them ! most are alive and well,, they didnt die from no kidny failure or liver cancer ,,
when you have your kidnys in bad bad shape ....you will know it my friend,, not the water retention ...this is not the sign because hormoens cause water retention ,, so it can be confused ,,
THE SIGN WILL BE YOU SLEEPING ALL FUCKIN DAY,, EVERY DAY!
THE SIGN WILL BE MAJOR LOSS OF WEIGHT
THE SIGN WILL BE YOUR BODY DONT WANT YUM YUM ,, YOULL HAVE TO FORCE FEED IT YOU JUST WONT BE HUNGRY
THE SIGN WILL BE YOU GETTING SICK! SICK AS IN SICKKKK ,, LIKE FEVER....LIKE SICKNESS WHEN YOU NEED TO GO TO DOC FOR SOMETHIGN COMPLETELY DIFF
THE SIGN WILL PAINS...IN THE KIDNYS ...NOT IN THE BACK WHICH IS EASY TO CONFUSE WITH KIDNYS ,, BUT! PAIN IN THE KIDNYS AND YOU WILL FEEL IT IT WONT BE BALONIE BACK PAIN IT WILL BE KIDNY PAIN YOU WILL KNOW IT ,, AND IT WONT BE BURINING SENSATION EITHER,, IT WIL BE PAIN IN THE FUCKIN KIDNY AS IN KIDNY WILL FEEL SHARP PAIN IN IT
THE SIGN WILL BE SWOLLEN FEET AND ANKLES ,, SWOLLEN NOT FROM HGH FOR FEW WEEKS,, CONSISTANT SWOLLEN ANKLES AND WRISTS,, INSULINA DIABETC LOOK AT ALL TIMES NOT WHEN YOU TAKE ANADROLA FOR 20 DAYS,, IT WILL BE SOMETHING THAT WILL LAST AND WONT GO AWAY ....
FELLAS THAT HAVE BIG PROBLEM WITH KIDNYS AND GOING INTO THE FAIL MODE...PEEING FUCKIN BLOOD! COKA COLA TYPE URINE,, NOT FOAMY FROM YOUR LITTLE TRENBOLONA OR FROM IT HITTING THE FUCKIN TOILET WATER SURFACE NOT THOSE KIND OF BUBBLES BUT LOTS AND LOTS OF BUBBLES THAT DONT GO AWAY AND REMAIN FOAM BIG BIG TIME,, THE FOAM WIL BE BEFORE IT EVEN HIT THE WATER,, THE BLOOD WILL BE THERE TOO IN MANY CASES,,AND! AND! FELLA WITH BAD KIDNYS WILL VOMIT OVER THERE OVER THE TOILET IN MANY CASES ,, NOSIA AND VOMITING VERY TYPICAL IN ADVACE CASES,,
ONE THING YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND ,,,YOU WONT BE ABLE TO LIFT SHIT! YOUR BONES WILL HURT AND ACHE ,, YOUR TENDOINS WILL BE FRAGILE LIKE 90 YEAR OLD FELLA,, AND FORGET ABOUT HEAVY WEIGHT,,
so thats that
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did he have any kids?
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look at the face ,, do you see how red it is? this is redness that was always with him ,, for many years,, like youngblood,, im telling you you do not die just like that...it takes lots of abuse of specific compounds,, kidnys dont just say bye bye im out ,, it takes years of abuse of specific products such as narcotics and insulina and diuretics,, cocktail of them all ,, and you talk here cocktail for years competing....
you can see death written on the face ,,im surprized you felas can see it ,, like i told branch he is at high risk HIGH RISK,,
there is a diff between puffy strong country farmer type of face from using some anadrola and testosterona,,,to this! type of face which screams screams use of insulina and diuretic combo ,,hgh bring in the water diuretic take out the water in out in out in out in out ,, on top of it gotta make it on stage peeled....yet remain hard as nails
anadrola by itself with testosterona does not create this my friends,,
it is the addition of diuretic and specifically product related to diuretics into the androgen stack along with insulina and pain killers for PROLONG PERIOD OF TIMES that make the kidnys quit on you ,,
the kidny job is to remove waste out ,, they can do it well ,, it is when you are nto diabetic....and use huge doses of insulina....it is when you are androgen blown and use diuretic to get the water out...since you wont do it naturaly or with trenbolona masterona only since it wont cut it in the high pro level or any high level...it is when you add some pain killers to forget about it all....THIS is when kidnys start saying good bye my friend ,, and even then ! it takes some time,,
its not that easy to get into severe problems ,, it takes absue and no trenbolona at 150mg every 2 day is not abuse not even if you use it for a year strsaightz!
the product who fuck your kidnys up are the ones who make the biggest difference!
diuretics
insulina
pain killers
the end
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when kidny fails it doesnt have to happen to both kidnys,,but....with diuretics absue and insulina abuse and narcotic abuse....both kidnys have hard time to survive,,
again it is NOT the aas or the hgh ,, they do nothing but improve your life and look ....look at bodybuild from 70s and 80s that did only hormones aas and hgh and some other stuff but didnt use narcotics and didnt use insulina and didnt use diuretic in abusive way ,, look at them ! most are alive and well,, they didnt die from no kidny failure or liver cancer ,,
when you have your kidnys in bad bad shape ....you will know it my friend,, not the water retention ...this is not the sign because hormoens cause water retention ,, so it can be confused ,,
THE SIGN WILL BE YOU SLEEPING ALL FUCKIN DAY,, EVERY DAY!
THE SIGN WILL BE MAJOR LOSS OF WEIGHT
THE SIGN WILL BE YOUR BODY DONT WANT YUM YUM ,, YOULL HAVE TO FORCE FEED IT YOU JUST WONT BE HUNGRY
THE SIGN WILL BE YOU GETTING SICK! SICK AS IN SICKKKK ,, LIKE FEVER....LIKE SICKNESS WHEN YOU NEED TO GO TO DOC FOR SOMETHIGN COMPLETELY DIFF
THE SIGN WILL PAINS...IN THE KIDNYS ...NOT IN THE BACK WHICH IS EASY TO CONFUSE WITH KIDNYS ,, BUT! PAIN IN THE KIDNYS AND YOU WILL FEEL IT IT WONT BE BALONIE BACK PAIN IT WILL BE KIDNY PAIN YOU WILL KNOW IT ,, AND IT WONT BE BURINING SENSATION EITHER,, IT WIL BE PAIN IN THE FUCKIN KIDNY AS IN KIDNY WILL FEEL SHARP PAIN IN IT
THE SIGN WILL BE SWOLLEN FEET AND ANKLES ,, SWOLLEN NOT FROM HGH FOR FEW WEEKS,, CONSISTANT SWOLLEN ANKLES AND WRISTS,, INSULINA DIABETC LOOK AT ALL TIMES NOT WHEN YOU TAKE ANADROLA FOR 20 DAYS,, IT WILL BE SOMETHING THAT WILL LAST AND WONT GO AWAY ....
FELLAS THAT HAVE BIG PROBLEM WITH KIDNYS AND GOING INTO THE FAIL MODE...PEEING FUCKIN BLOOD! COKA COLA TYPE URINE,, NOT FOAMY FROM YOUR LITTLE TRENBOLONA OR FROM IT HITTING THE FUCKIN TOILET WATER SURFACE NOT THOSE KIND OF BUBBLES BUT LOTS AND LOTS OF BUBBLES THAT DONT GO AWAY AND REMAIN FOAM BIG BIG TIME,, THE FOAM WIL BE BEFORE IT EVEN HIT THE WATER,, THE BLOOD WILL BE THERE TOO IN MANY CASES,,AND! AND! FELLA WITH BAD KIDNYS WILL VOMIT OVER THERE OVER THE TOILET IN MANY CASES ,, NOSIA AND VOMITING VERY TYPICAL IN ADVACE CASES,,
ONE THING YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND ,,,YOU WONT BE ABLE TO LIFT SHIT! YOUR BONES WILL HURT AND ACHE ,, YOUR TENDOINS WILL BE FRAGILE LIKE 90 YEAR OLD FELLA,, AND FORGET ABOUT HEAVY WEIGHT,,
so thats that
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Some truth here. Swollen feet and ankles is a major sign of life threatening problems. Not sure about foamy urine, I am guessing that is end stage renal failure.
Would be real interesting to know what symptoms Luke was seeing daily and ignoring when things were going south. I simply can not imagine abusing your body to the point that you go into renal failure, it is NOT easy to do!!! And there are warning signs, some are subtle some are not, either way what the bloody hell was he thinking...
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Some truth here. Swollen feet and ankles is a major sign of life threatening problems. Not sure about foamy urine, I am guessing that is end stage renal failure.
Would be real interesting to know what symptoms Luke was seeing daily and ignoring when things were going south. I simply can not imagine abusing your body to the point that you go into renal failure, it is NOT easy to do!!! And there are warning signs, some are subtle some are not, either way what the bloody hell was he thinking...
when i say foaming urine! i dont mean the little bubble you see in pee when it hit the toilet ...thats nothing,, those bubbles go away ,, im talking here FOAMING from start of the peeing you can see it when pee is goign out from peepee to toilet,, you wont have no foam if you pee to the side wall of the toilet and it hit the water while sliding....the foam im talking about is sick foam and it is not somehting that you wonder about,, and if you ahve it you also have blood in urine and throwing up too,, not easy to have those,,
abusing your body to get kidny failure takes much much more than your trenbolona ace and testosterona,, it takes MASSIVE INSULINA DOSES ,, SEVERE DIURETIC ABUSE,, AND SEVERE NARCOTIC ABUSE IN THE FORM OF PAIN KILLER IN MOST CASES,,
THAT WILL BRING YOU DOWN AND NOT ONLY KIDNYS BUT ALSO TUMORS IN THE LIVER,,
you got alcoholists walking around drinkging 20-30 beers a night 2-3 vodka bottles a night and they are all functioning kidnys all pumping sitting in walmart with sign they need some money because their social security lost last week and they cant apply for job ,, do you see them droping dead?
you got to understand here....kidny failure if not born with it...is something that you really need to fucking torcher your kidnys to get to ,,
water in out in out in out on top of insulina mega dose on top of narcotic relief
you can see the diff between a red melon and then A RED PURPLE 200 ON 140 BLOOD PRESSURE ON A REGULAS BASIS TYPE OF MELLON
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200/140?!?!!??!!??! Surely no one in their right mind would see that reading and not run to the fucking emergency room??? No fucking way, I refuse to believe it. Highest mine has EVER gotten was 138/82 and I was freaking the fuck out over it. At the time was depressed and drinking heavily and eating a lot of mcdonalds. Typically it's 118/78 give or take and that's WITH ephedrine and other stimulants. Take some damn aspirin and watch your sodium for fucks sake people!
200/140 I would fucking call 911 and not leave the hospital until it's at least 140/90 and even that is hypertensive.
Has anyone here ever had their BP anywhere near 200/140? Be honest here, this is your life you are talking about! And not some "long term" problems baloney, that kind of blood pressure can do you in real fcking fast.
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i had 160 over 110 once in walmart americana back in the good ole days when i was trying andropopers....i was youngster too,, that balonie gvae me 160 over 110,, over the counter balonie are the worst risks especialy circa 1990s
then again blod pressure always changes,, used trenbolona and testosterona and anadrola so many times together and blood presure was 120 -80 110 over 70 130 over 80 130 over 85 it always change every check,,
but! if you do get 160 over 110...for long time with out taking anything like andropopers or even if you take something and have blood pressure high high for long period as in weekks then its time to either stop what you doing or get on meds if youre doing nothing,,
blood pressure always change,,
if your blood pressure is high as in too high ...you will feel it! you will,, you will have headaches punding headches ,, you will want to sleep and will be in a drouzy isolated leave me alone kind of mod ,, you will be agressive ,, and you will be a pack of red purplish faced anger and pain in the head,, when you go to sleep it should be much better after 8 hours...if! it remain the same for few days later with out change...THATS WHEN ITS TIME TO SEE SOMEONE OR DROP WHAT YOU TAKE!
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RIP Luke..
He knew what he was doing. So He should take it. ;)
If he was happy for his life, he did good. :)
X2, seemed like a very good bloke and he had a great physique, PIP Luke.
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out of curiosity, in the last pic just posted above this message... what kind of aas causes that grainy paper skin look luke was sporting in that pic? dude at my gym has that exact look year round of course nowhere near the mass of luke but the exact grainy paper skin look and don't tell me it's just very good diet/nutrition and low body fat either!
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Luke RIP. I hope his family and loved ones find peace.
On maybe an unrelated topic but maybe not; train for health and looks without drugs. You won't be able to enter a contest but you will be the winner in life.
All these guys that rationalize bodybuilding drugs are not a risk to health are deceiving themself. It reminds me of a 65 year old having trouble trouble walking without getting winded saying he has smoked since he was 13 and he's fine. It's also like the heroin user that claims he used for 20 plus years. Is heroin a risk to health? Of course it is. Will all users have immediate major health problems? No. Just like steroids.
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out of curiosity, in the last pic just posted above this message... what kind of aas causes that grainy paper skin look luke was sporting in that pic? dude at my gym has that exact look year round of course nowhere near the mass of luke but the exact grainy paper skin look and don't tell me it's just very good diet/nutrition and low body fat either!
diuretics abuse. winstrol too but not as much as diuretics
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Does anyone remember this guy. I remember seeing him compete on World's strongest man and looked like he was going to explode. I know he passed away shortly after, never knew the reason.
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thank you portlandia science man. most of us know how much luke loved using finaplix based trenbolone, especially in its water-based form which not many know how to manufacture but if done correctly is extremely effective but also very damaging. unfortunately it damages the nephrons in a matter of weeks which in most cases do not regenerate. he knew but went ahead; addicted by the results yet in denial about his overall structural deficiencies which he tried to compensate with critical mass. me, silvio, dennis, milos even nasser told him to tone it down. it's unfortunate.
It is unfortunate when someone dies, regardless of what they may have done to themselves to contribute to their cause of death. I hope as folks discuss Luke's life choices and death, they will keep this in mind. He had family and friends who loved him and will miss him. While they may or may not have been aware of his choices and the health risks he took in his pursuit of a great muscular physique, they probably don't want to be told or reminded of this now. Rather to remember him for all the positive things.
The reason I posted a list of the causes of kidney failure is to point out that there are many reasons one's kidneys fail. One doesn't need to be a medical professional to figure out that some of the things bodybuilders do, often to great excess, could contribute to damaging their kidneys as well as other organs. Frankly, I am surprised morsuper sizeded bodybuilders and power lifters don't succumb to heart failure. Each of us is different, some folk's kidneys or hearts may be more vulnerable to damage from abuse than others. Keep in mind that just because some people can seemingly put a bunch of toxic stuff into their systems and still come out fine, this is not always going to be the case, others will get sick.
Clearly, Luke lived his dream. He achieved an amazing looking physique. Even usartificialical means, such as steroids, supplements, extreme diets and other such options, most folks never get to the level of muscularity that Luke did.
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Some truth here. Swollen feet and ankles is a major sign of life threatening problems. Not sure about foamy urine, I am guessing that is end stage renal failure.
Would be real interesting to know what symptoms Luke was seeing daily and ignoring when things were going south. I simply can not imagine abusing your body to the point that you go into renal failure, it is NOT easy to do!!! And there are warning signs, some are subtle some are not, either way what the bloody hell was he thinking...
My wife, who is a longtime diabetic, suffers from congestive heart failure and has about 25% of her kidney function left. It is an ongoing battle to keep her reasonably healthy. It takes a raft of medications and a careful diet to keep her alive. Just one thing like a cold or the flu can wreck havoc with that delicate balance. It is clear sign that things aren't going well is when she starts retaining fluids. When this happens, her feet and ankles swell and she retains fluid in her lungs (pneumonia). And when this happens, her doctor generally ups her diuretic to help flush out the excess fluids.
As for foam in one's urine, I suspect this is more the result of a bladder infection. I have had a couple those over the years and one of the ways I knew that I had them was foam in my urine. Fortunately, I am really in tune with my health. I took care of those bladder infections right away before they got really bad. However, one time, the bladder infection was the result of a growth in my bladder. It was borderline malignant according to my doctor. Had I ignored the bladder infection symptoms, who knows what might have happened.
If one is lucky, they know when something isn't right with their body. Unfortunately, many folks choose to ignore the warning signs.
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out of curiosity, in the last pic just posted above this message... what kind of aas causes that grainy paper skin look luke was sporting in that pic? dude at my gym has that exact look year round of course nowhere near the mass of luke but the exact grainy paper skin look and don't tell me it's just very good diet/nutrition and low body fat either!
diuretic,, this is why many are dumb they dont get it ,, its not aas to cause this paper thin skin ,, it also not hgh ,, whne its that thin it is diuretic,, high blooed pressure from adrogens and insulina +hgh all at higher doses,, diuretic apply to eliminate water,,
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Luke RIP. I hope his family and loved ones find peace.
On maybe an unrelated topic but maybe not; train for health and looks without drugs. You won't be able to enter a contest but you will be the winner in life.
All these guys that rationalize bodybuilding drugs are not a risk to health are deceiving themself. It reminds me of a 65 year old having trouble trouble walking without getting winded saying he has smoked since he was 13 and he's fine. It's also like the heroin user that claims he used for 20 plus years. Is heroin a risk to health? Of course it is. Will all users have immediate major health problems? No. Just like steroids.
AAS ARE NOT RISKY TO HEALTH!,, UNLESS PREDISPOSITION TO HEALTH PROBLEMS! AS IN ALREADY HAVE A CANCER OR ETC,, ITS THE INTRODUCTION TO INSULINA AND HGH COMBO IN HIGHER LEVELS IN ADDITION TO DIURETIC ABUSE AND NARCOTIC ABUSE...THIS! WHAT FINISH KIDNY
THE END!
stop giving aas bad name when they are improving life!
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It is unfortunate when someone dies, regardless of what they may have done to themselves to contribute to their cause of death. I hope as folks discuss Luke's life choices and death, they will keep this in mind. He had family and friends who loved him and will miss him. While they may or may not have been aware of his choices and the health risks he took in his pursuit of a great muscular physique, they probably don't want to be told or reminded of this now. Rather to remember him for all the positive things.
The reason I posted a list of the causes of kidney failure is to point out that there are many reasons one's kidneys fail. One doesn't need to be a medical professional to figure out that some of the things bodybuilders do, often to great excess, could contribute to damaging their kidneys as well as other organs. Frankly, I am surprised morsuper sizeded bodybuilders and power lifters don't succumb to heart failure. Each of us is different, some folk's kidneys or hearts may be more vulnerable to damage from abuse than others. Keep in mind that just because some people can seemingly put a bunch of toxic stuff into their systems and still come out fine, this is not always going to be the case, others will get sick.
Clearly, Luke lived his dream. He achieved an amazing looking physique. Even usartificialical means, such as steroids, supplements, extreme diets and other such options, most folks never get to the level of muscularity that Luke did.
out of respect to the death i wont tell you my real opinion about his physiqe,, but he was a mess
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My wife, who is a longtime diabetic, suffers from congestive heart failure and has about 25% of her kidney function left. It is an ongoing battle to keep her reasonably healthy. It takes a raft of medications and a careful diet to keep her alive. Just one thing like a cold or the flu can wreck havoc with that delicate balance. It is clear sign that things aren't going well is when she starts retaining fluids. When this happens, her feet and ankles swell and she retains fluid in her lungs (pneumonia). And when this happens, her doctor generally ups her diuretic to help flush out the excess fluids.
As for foam in one's urine, I suspect this is more the result of a bladder infection. I have had a couple those over the years and one of the ways I knew that I had them was foam in my urine. Fortunately, I am really in tune with my health. I took care of those bladder infections right away before they got really bad. However, one time, the bladder infection was the result of a growth in my bladder. It was borderline malignant according to my doctor. Had I ignored the bladder infection symptoms, who knows what might have happened.
If one is lucky, they know when something isn't right with their body. Unfortunately, many folks choose to ignore the warning signs.
if somethign is wrong with body part you need and organ you need... you will know it! body is great machine,, it let you know through many ways ,, one thing for sure ...you wont be able to run around lifting heavy weight ,, you will be in bed all day long an i mean not 9 hours...i mean 19 hours! then wake up for coupe hours then go to sleep,, this is when someone is not doing well,,
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diuretic,, this is why many are dumb they dont get it ,, its not aas to cause this paper thin skin ,, it also not hgh ,, whne its that thin it is diuretic,, high blooed pressure from adrogens and insulina +hgh all at higher doses,, diuretic apply to eliminate water,,
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You know what I find interesting about all of this- Luke did not look at ALL worse or different than many ifbb pros today. Dennis Wolf comes to mind, I do not mean that negatively, just that he has a very similar dry/grainy look to his body. So this begs the question- does this mean a lot of guys are basically doing all the same shit? Taking high doses of all the same drugs Luke was taking? If true (and I think it is) why aren't more people dropping dead or having massive organ failure? Is it possible Luke was really dispositioned to have kidney problems?
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if somethign is wrong with body part you need and organ you need... you will know it! body is great machine,, it let you know through many ways ,, one thing for sure ...you wont be able to run around lifting heavy weight ,, you will be in bed all day long an i mean not 9 hours...i mean 19 hours! then wake up for coupe hours then go to sleep,, this is when someone is not doing well,,
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I can agree with you up to a point on this. Again, pulling from my experience with my wife's ill health, she spent many years with diabetes when she was in denial about her health problems. It was only when her health became extremely poor and there was no denying there was a problem that she began to take notice and listen to the doctors. Of course by then, she'd reached a point of little or no return to good health. Our bodies can take a lot before they give up on us completely.
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You know what I find interesting about all of this- Luke did not look at ALL worse or different than many ifbb pros today. Dennis Wolf comes to mind, I do not mean that negatively, just that he has a very similar dry/grainy look to his body. So this begs the question- does this mean a lot of guys are basically doing all the same shit? Taking high doses of all the same drugs Luke was taking? If true (and I think it is) why aren't more people dropping dead or having massive organ failure? Is it possible Luke was really dispositioned to have kidney problems?
no,, he diddnt look like denise,, in 90+% of luke pictures and photos he was severly red purplish in the face you talk in long periods of time between photoshots,, in diff phiotoshoots ,, offseason on seaoson ,, was just a walking blood pressure mess,,its a lesson to learn ,, it was CONTONIOUS AND CONSISTANT,,
the only one who was similar to him from this recent years is DON YOUNGBLOOD and to a lesser degree branch waren and brother raymond,, thsoe 2 are at very high risk to die too ,,
that is it,,
denise no,, many others know their body well ,, they dont walk along with red face 24 7 with veins poping onthe top of their faces with redish bluish purplish dwaollen look to it like you took a mellon and peeled it yet! the blood pressure didnt go down but MAINTAINED HIGH,, usualy when you peel yourself and ripp your self up YOUR BLOOD PRESSURE SHOULO GO DOWN with this fella it wasnt like this....same for yougblood ,, same for branch ,, same for raymond,,
remember what i tell you friends,,
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I can agree with you up to a point on this. Again, pulling from my experience with my wife's ill health, she spent many years with diabetes when she was in denial about her health problems. It was only when her health became extremely poor and there was no denying there was a problem that she began to take notice and listen to the doctors. Of course by then, she'd reached a point of little or no return to good health. Our bodies can take a lot before they give up on us completely.
thats correct ,, your body can takle a lot ,, lots of aas no problem trenbolona ace no problem ,, testosterona no problem nandrolona no problem even lots of orals no problems,,
but! start abusing insulina into it....it will slow down !,, with the insulina introduce diuretic so you can come in condition and not look like jason circa 2007-2008 ...and that will take a toll but not as much as when you start using it all year long with the insulina!,, and finaly add in the narcotic pain killer and use them whenever you feel yuck and it let you feel numb ....do it for a year or 2 and you are a done deal
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I wonder how his former fiancee Kim Perez feels now that he is gone. ???
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I wonder how his former fiancee Kim Perez feels now that he is gone. ???
Crocodile tears. Drug bloated tranny in the making. Fuck that noise.
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This is a sad day, a real example of the sickness rampant in the BBing culture.
I can just see some 12 yr old kid looking a flex of pics of dudes like Luke, getting inspired and sucked into the world of BBing, thinking all it takes is hard work, dedication and maybe some creatine and protein powder. I remeber when I was young and I finally learned the truth about BBing hiding behind he wizard's curtain.
I wish every kid could read your post. I was the same. Unfortunately I mostly kept to myself and didn't want other people's help. I really had no idea about most of this straight up until the time I first logged into getbig.
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when i say foaming urine! i dont mean the little bubble you see in pee when it hit the toilet ...thats nothing,, those bubbles go away ,, im talking here FOAMING from start of the peeing you can see it when pee is goign out from peepee to toilet,, you wont have no foam if you pee to the side wall of the toilet and it hit the water while sliding....the foam im talking about is sick foam and it is not somehting that you wonder about,, and if you ahve it you also have blood in urine and throwing up too,, not easy to have those,,
abusing your body to get kidny failure takes much much more than your trenbolona ace and testosterona,, it takes MASSIVE INSULINA DOSES ,, SEVERE DIURETIC ABUSE,, AND SEVERE NARCOTIC ABUSE IN THE FORM OF PAIN KILLER IN MOST CASES,,
THAT WILL BRING YOU DOWN AND NOT ONLY KIDNYS BUT ALSO TUMORS IN THE LIVER,,
you got alcoholists walking around drinkging 20-30 beers a night 2-3 vodka bottles a night and they are all functioning kidnys all pumping sitting in walmart with sign they need some money because their social security lost last week and they cant apply for job ,, do you see them droping dead?
you got to understand here....kidny failure if not born with it...is something that you really need to fucking torcher your kidnys to get to ,,
water in out in out in out on top of insulina mega dose on top of narcotic relief
you can see the diff between a red melon and then A RED PURPLE 200 ON 140 BLOOD PRESSURE ON A REGULAS BASIS TYPE OF MELLON
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WILLGRANT NEEDS T0 READ THIS. GREAT STUFF.
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GH15, I'm predisposed to high blood pressure through genetics, I think. Everyone on my dad's side of the family has high blood pressure. When I was "bodybuilding" I mostly ignored this and, in addition to following stupid permabulking diet advice and ridiculously brutal training, maintained a blood pressure of 150-160+ / 90-100+ for probably several years. My workouts felt worse and worse over time. My muscles just felt dead, like they didn't want to turn on. I couldn't get a pump and my weights kept dropping too. When you wrote that someone with kidney failure would feel like a 90 year old man when they went to the gym, would feel the weight in their tendons and bones and not the muscle, this really resonated with me.
Do you think all these problems could be related to blood pressure? Either way this thread has finally convinced me to get a blood test done.
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I wonder how his former fiancee Kim Perez feels now that he is gone. ???
oh wow never knew that. I saw Kim compete at Europa, her delts are just crazy and in person she's got a really pretty face but she went way over board IMO
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can't bother to read the 5 pages since my last post, so lets cut to the chase:
is he dead ?
if so who dunnit?
Is there a fund where the people in the industry at large can make charitable donations?
How much do you reckon one should donate?
txs
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GH15, I'm predisposed to high blood pressure through genetics, I think. Everyone on my dad's side of the family has high blood pressure. When I was "bodybuilding" I mostly ignored this and, in addition to following stupid permabulking diet advice and ridiculously brutal training, maintained a blood pressure of 150-160+ / 90-100+ for probably several years. My workouts felt worse and worse over time. My muscles just felt dead, like they didn't want to turn on. I couldn't get a pump and my weights kept dropping too. When you wrote that someone with kidney failure would feel like a 90 year old man when they went to the gym, would feel the weight in their tendons and bones and not the muscle, this really resonated with me.
Do you think all these problems could be related to blood pressure? Either way this thread has finally convinced me to get a blood test done.
Get blood work done as soon as possible. If you don't have health insurance, you can get a wellness profile done (comprehensive) for around 100 bucks. You go to a local lab for the blood draw and they mail it to the lab which does the wellness profile for you. I cannot say why you are tired and what not, but your blood pressure is hypertensive. ANYTHING above 140/90 is a SERIOUS health risk and needs to be dealt with immediately! Not messing around here, high blood pressure is a silent killer and you have to take care of it.
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GH15, I'm predisposed to high blood pressure through genetics, I think. Everyone on my dad's side of the family has high blood pressure. When I was "bodybuilding" I mostly ignored this and, in addition to following stupid permabulking diet advice and ridiculously brutal training, maintained a blood pressure of 150-160+ / 90-100+ for probably several years. My workouts felt worse and worse over time. My muscles just felt dead, like they didn't want to turn on. I couldn't get a pump and my weights kept dropping too. When you wrote that someone with kidney failure would feel like a 90 year old man when they went to the gym, would feel the weight in their tendons and bones and not the muscle, this really resonated with me.
Do you think all these problems could be related to blood pressure? Either way this thread has finally convinced me to get a blood test done.
i will explain this again for the memory of luke wood,, i will write here again who is at risk and why,,
ANY BODYBUILDER WHO IS ABUSING INSULINA AND DIUERTIC IN A COMBO IS AT RISK ,, ANY ONE NO MATTER IF YOU ARE A BULL DONT MATTE,, ABUSE OF INSULINA WITH DIURETIC WILL MOST LIKLEY REAULT IN KIDNY PROBLEMS,,
NOW,, THIS IS IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND WHY! I WANT MY PUPILS AND I WANT THE ALL CULT THE DATAS AND THE RON HERISES I WANT THEM TO SHUT UP AND READ WHAT I WRITE HERE INSTED OF HIDING AND BALONIG MY PUPILS ,,
THE PROBLEM TO THE BODYBUILDER IS NOT WHEN THEY ARE ON THE INSULINA AND DIURETIC!! THE PROBLEM IS WHEN THEY ARE OFF!!! FOR! WHAT HAPPENED WHEN SOMEONE IS INSULINA DEPENDENT? AND SUDDENLY DONT USE IT OR REDUCE IT? YOU ARE RIGHT....THE SUGAR LEVEL IN TH EBLOOD GO UP AND UP ...THUS BLOOD SATURATED WITH SUGAAAAR THUSSSSS BLOOD PRESSURE WILL CLIMB ...NO INSULINA PRODUCED BY THE BODY TO GET THE SUGAR INTO MUSCLE...AND SINCE BODYBUILD BECAME DEPENDENT ON INSULINA DUE TO MEGA ABUSE.....AND NOW HE DONT TAKE IT OR REDUCE....THATS! WHEN SUGAR START SATURATING THE BLOOD AND THE KIDNYS GO INTO DEFENSE MODE!,, NOW MANY BODYBUILD DO THIS....THEY STILL CAN PULL ON....BUT! WHAT HAPPENED WHEN YOU INTRODUCE DIURETICS SINCE YOU WANT TO GET DRY ENOUGH ....NOT ONLY YOU HAVE NOW LOW PRODUCTION OF INSULINA BY YOUR OWN BODY ...BUT! YOU CREATE AN ARTIFICAL WATER REDUCTION THAT ALWAYS REBOUNNNNND BECAUSE YOU CANT BE ON DIURETIC FOREVER CORECT? SO YOU NEED TO STOP AT TIME....SO THEN YOU GET 1-2 PUNCH INTO NO WHERE LAND ,,
WHAT IS NO WHERE LAND..
NO WHERE LAND IS WHERE BLOOD GLUCOSE IS HIGH ,, AND ON TOP OF THAT YOU GAIN WATER RETENTION REBOUND FROM DIURETIC THAT MAKE YOU LOOK LIKE A WALKING REDISH PUFF BALL AND THIS IS SOME SERIOUS WALKING REDBALL NOT SOME ANDROGEN RED FACE BUT SERIOUS SWOLLEN SHOT EYES ,, SWOLLEN EVERYTHING ,, LOOK AT LUKE HE WAS SWOLLEN ,, NOT ANDROGEN SWOLLEN BUT SICK SWOLLEN!! YES HE HAD HARDNESS THE MUSCLE WAS HARD...BUT LOOK OVER ALL AT THE FACE IT = SHUT SWALLEN LIKE HE BEEN BEATEN BY A GANG FOR GOOD FEW HOURS,, ALL THANKS TO MISHKO OFCOURSE BUT HE KNEW WHAT HE WAS DOING TO SOME DEGREE LUKE WAS A BODYBUILDER WE KNOW WHAT WE ARE DOING AND WHAT WE ARE GOING INTO ,, ITS JUST THAT YOU NEED TO BE SMART AND KNOW THE HUMAN BODY WELL ,, AND KNOW WHEN TO DROP SOMETHING AND KNOW WHEN YOU ARE DEPENDENT ON SOMETHING,, LUKE WOOD WAS A DEPENDENT OF INSULINA HE COULDNT JUST QUIT IT ...THIS IS INADDITION TO ABUSE OF DIURETIC AND THE REBOUND....
NOW THIS IS NO WHERE LAND...THE LAND OF INSULINA AND DIURETIC ABUSE ,,THIS IS THE ONLY WAY TO CREATE A MONSTER BY THE WAY ...SINCE IN THIS DAY AND AGE MONSTER = WEIGHT AND MESURMENTS SADLY
NOW,, THERE IS SUCH A THING AS....
THE BLACK ROOM IN NO WHERE LAND...THE BLACK ROOM IN NO WHERE LAND IS THE ROOM THAT WHEN YOU GET INTO YOU SAY GOOD BYE TO LIFE,, THAT BLACK ROOM IN NO WHERE LAND HAS IN IT LOTS OF PAIN KILLERS AND NARCOTICS,, MOMENT YOU GO THERE ON INSULINA AND DIURETIC YOU CAN KISS YOUR LIFE GOOD BYE
bible index for memory of luke wood
rest in peace
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Get blood work done as soon as possible. If you don't have health insurance, you can get a wellness profile done (comprehensive) for around 100 bucks. You go to a local lab for the blood draw and they mail it to the lab which does the wellness profile for you. I cannot say why you are tired and what not, but your blood pressure is hypertensive. ANYTHING above 140/90 is a SERIOUS health risk and needs to be dealt with immediately! Not messing around here, high blood pressure is a silent killer and you have to take care of it.
only if it is consistant for few days....if it is prolonged high blood presure its a problem ,, if he just pop anadrola went to gym and blood pressure was 160 over 90 after he did some benching ...nothing to worry about,,
blood pressure in the high zone shoudl only worry you if it is consistantly in the high zone as in ....you have constant headaches,, you cant lift shit,, you go in gym feeling like a 90 year old...not letargic from some testosterona and hgh but just fragile 90 year old with bone pain and weakness along with headackes,, this is when you need to go to check whats up,,
if you get in gym and push heavy weight and feel jacked after it and all alert and have stamina and feel fine...then nothing to worry about,, it is when you have CONSISTANT HIGH BLOOD PRESSURE AND ALWAYS LOOK PUFFY AND FAT ,, some fellas face are always puffy im not talkin about this puffy ,, im talkin about swollen eye puffy ,, about eye shot puffy about purplish redish marshmelow swollen puffy ,, there is diff pufiness to face pufiness of androgen is ok ,, swolen shot puffy like superdrol give you ...if last for long time...is a big risk ...this is why no one put superdrol on the market my friends,, was too risky it was giving same problems that abuse of insulina gave to some degree,, anadrola was much safer
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i will explain this again for the memory of luke wood,, i will write here again who is at risk and why,,
ANY BODYBUILDER WHO IS ABUSING INSULINA AND DIUERTIC IN A COMBO IS AT RISK ,, ANY ONE NO MATTER IF YOU ARE A BULL DONT MATTE,, ABUSE OF INSULINA WITH DIURETIC WILL MOST LIKLEY REAULT IN KIDNY PROBLEMS,,
NOW,, THIS IS IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND WHY! I WANT MY PUPILS AND I WANT THE ALL CULT THE DATAS AND THE RON HERISES I WANT THEM TO SHUT UP AND READ WHAT I WRITE HERE INSTED OF HIDING AND BALONIG MY PUPILS ,,
THE PROBLEM TO THE BODYBUILDER IS NOT WHEN THEY ARE ON THE INSULINA AND DIURETIC!! THE PROBLEM IS WHEN THEY ARE OFF!!! FOR! WHAT HAPPENED WHEN SOMEONE IS INSULINA DEPENDENT? AND SUDDENLY DONT USE IT OR REDUCE IT? YOU ARE RIGHT....THE SUGAR LEVEL IN TH EBLOOD GO UP AND UP ...THUS BLOOD SATURATED WITH SUGAAAAR THUSSSSS BLOOD PRESSURE WILL CLIMB ...NO INSULINA PRODUCED BY THE BODY TO GET THE SUGAR INTO MUSCLE...AND SINCE BODYBUILD BECAME DEPENDENT ON INSULINA DUE TO MEGA ABUSE.....AND NOW HE DONT TAKE IT OR REDUCE....THATS! WHEN SUGAR START SATURATING THE BLOOD AND THE KIDNYS GO INTO DEFENSE MODE!,, NOW MANY BODYBUILD DO THIS....THEY STILL CAN PULL ON....BUT! WHAT HAPPENED WHEN YOU INTRODUCE DIURETICS SINCE YOU WANT TO GET DRY ENOUGH ....NOT ONLY YOU HAVE NOW LOW PRODUCTION OF INSULINA BY YOUR OWN BODY ...BUT! YOU CREATE AN ARTIFICAL WATER REDUCTION THAT ALWAYS REBOUNNNNND BECAUSE YOU CANT BE ON DIURETIC FOREVER CORECT? SO YOU NEED TO STOP AT TIME....SO THEN YOU GET 1-2 PUNCH INTO NO WHERE LAND ,,
WHAT IS NO WHERE LAND..
NO WHERE LAND IS WHERE BLOOD GLUCOSE IS HIGH ,, AND ON TOP OF THAT YOU GAIN WATER RETENTION REBOUND FROM DIURETIC THAT MAKE YOU LOOK LIKE A WALKING REDISH PUFF BALL AND THIS IS SOME SERIOUS WALKING REDBALL NOT SOME ANDROGEN RED FACE BUT SERIOUS SWOLLEN SHOT EYES ,, SWOLLEN EVERYTHING ,, LOOK AT LUKE HE WAS SWOLLEN ,, NOT ANDROGEN SWOLLEN BUT SICK SWOLLEN!! YES HE HAD HARDNESS THE MUSCLE WAS HARD...BUT LOOK OVER ALL AT THE FACE IT = SHUT SWALLEN LIKE HE BEEN BEATEN BY A GANG FOR GOOD FEW HOURS,, ALL THANKS TO MISHKO OFCOURSE BUT HE KNEW WHAT HE WAS DOING TO SOME DEGREE LUKE WAS A BODYBUILDER WE KNOW WHAT WE ARE DOING AND WHAT WE ARE GOING INTO ,, ITS JUST THAT YOU NEED TO BE SMART AND KNOW THE HUMAN BODY WELL ,, AND KNOW WHEN TO DROP SOMETHING AND KNOW WHEN YOU ARE DEPENDENT ON SOMETHING,, LUKE WOOD WAS A DEPENDENT OF INSULINA HE COULDNT JUST QUIT IT ...THIS IS INADDITION TO ABUSE OF DIURETIC AND THE REBOUND....
NOW THIS IS NO WHERE LAND...THE LAND OF INSULINA AND DIURETIC ABUSE ,,THIS IS THE ONLY WAY TO CREATE A MONSTER BY THE WAY ...SINCE IN THIS DAY AND AGE MONSTER = WEIGHT AND MESURMENTS SADLY
NOW,, THERE IS SUCH A THING AS....
THE BLACK ROOM IN NO WHERE LAND...THE BLACK ROOM IN NO WHERE LAND IS THE ROOM THAT WHEN YOU GET INTO YOU SAY GOOD BYE TO LIFE,, THAT BLACK ROOM IN NO WHERE LAND HAS IN IT LOTS OF PAIN KILLERS AND NARCOTICS,, MOMENT YOU GO THERE ON INSULINA AND DIURETIC YOU CAN KISS YOUR LIFE GOOD BYE
bible index for memory of luke wood
rest in peace
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well isnt that the reason some bodybuilders take insulin in the first place? The monsterous gh dosing makes blood sugar go up, so they take insulin to bring it back down. However I wonder what happens when these guys are on gh at 20iu for 5 years straight and tons of insulin, and then come off what there blood sugar looks like. :o
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the gh is more water retention ...as simple as that,, but it doesnt actualy cause any problems with kidnys ,, its just another layer on the bodybuilder...
do a poll here on the boarding and all the internet boards can chim in since they are all here ,, from chiwawa to bigmikecox to danta and sons,, be truthful with this poll though,,
this poll shoud ask this,,
HOW MANY FELLAS HERE EVER HAD ISSUES WITH KIDNYS AFTER USING ONLY AAS AND HGH CONSISTANTLY FOR 2 5 10 20 YEARS,, MAKE SURE THAT IT SAYS ONLY AAS AND HGH.... THEN ASK HOW MANY HAD PROBLEMS WITH KIDNYS YOU WILL GET ZERO FELLAS,,
THEN DO A POLL SAYING HOW MANY HAD PROBLEMS WITH KIDNYS WHEN THEY DID PAIN KILLERS ,, NARCOTICS,, BOOZ,, DIURETICS,, INSULINA ,,CREATINE IN MONSTEROUS USAGE,, ALONG WITH THE AAS AND HGH...AND SEE WHAT RESULTS YOU GER LOL IT WILL BE QUITE A BIG NUMBER IF THEY ARE HONEST
no one get problems from aas and hgh ,, not permamenet nothing,, if they did the all ifbb 70s would be dropping dead right now,, they all grow old perfectly fine into the 60 70 they grow old peacfully and will die at older age unless accidents or pre disposition cancer etc
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when kidny fails it doesnt have to happen to both kidnys,,but....with diuretics absue and insulina abuse and narcotic abuse....both kidnys have hard time to survive,,
again it is NOT the aas or the hgh ,, they do nothing but improve your life and look ....look at bodybuild from 70s and 80s that did only hormones aas and hgh and some other stuff but didnt use narcotics and didnt use insulina and didnt use diuretic in abusive way ,, look at them ! most are alive and well,, they didnt die from no kidny failure or liver cancer ,,
when you have your kidnys in bad bad shape ....you will know it my friend,, not the water retention ...this is not the sign because hormoens cause water retention ,, so it can be confused ,,
THE SIGN WILL BE YOU SLEEPING ALL FUCKIN DAY,, EVERY DAY!
THE SIGN WILL BE MAJOR LOSS OF WEIGHT
THE SIGN WILL BE YOUR BODY DONT WANT YUM YUM ,, YOULL HAVE TO FORCE FEED IT YOU JUST WONT BE HUNGRY
THE SIGN WILL BE YOU GETTING SICK! SICK AS IN SICKKKK ,, LIKE FEVER....LIKE SICKNESS WHEN YOU NEED TO GO TO DOC FOR SOMETHIGN COMPLETELY DIFF
THE SIGN WILL PAINS...IN THE KIDNYS ...NOT IN THE BACK WHICH IS EASY TO CONFUSE WITH KIDNYS ,, BUT! PAIN IN THE KIDNYS AND YOU WILL FEEL IT IT WONT BE BALONIE BACK PAIN IT WILL BE KIDNY PAIN YOU WILL KNOW IT ,, AND IT WONT BE BURINING SENSATION EITHER,, IT WIL BE PAIN IN THE FUCKIN KIDNY AS IN KIDNY WILL FEEL SHARP PAIN IN IT
THE SIGN WILL BE SWOLLEN FEET AND ANKLES ,, SWOLLEN NOT FROM HGH FOR FEW WEEKS,, CONSISTANT SWOLLEN ANKLES AND WRISTS,, INSULINA DIABETC LOOK AT ALL TIMES NOT WHEN YOU TAKE ANADROLA FOR 20 DAYS,, IT WILL BE SOMETHING THAT WILL LAST AND WONT GO AWAY ....
FELLAS THAT HAVE BIG PROBLEM WITH KIDNYS AND GOING INTO THE FAIL MODE...PEEING FUCKIN BLOOD! COKA COLA TYPE URINE,, NOT FOAMY FROM YOUR LITTLE TRENBOLONA OR FROM IT HITTING THE FUCKIN TOILET WATER SURFACE NOT THOSE KIND OF BUBBLES BUT LOTS AND LOTS OF BUBBLES THAT DONT GO AWAY AND REMAIN FOAM BIG BIG TIME,, THE FOAM WIL BE BEFORE IT EVEN HIT THE WATER,, THE BLOOD WILL BE THERE TOO IN MANY CASES,,AND! AND! FELLA WITH BAD KIDNYS WILL VOMIT OVER THERE OVER THE TOILET IN MANY CASES ,, NOSIA AND VOMITING VERY TYPICAL IN ADVACE CASES,,
ONE THING YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND ,,,YOU WONT BE ABLE TO LIFT SHIT! YOUR BONES WILL HURT AND ACHE ,, YOUR TENDOINS WILL BE FRAGILE LIKE 90 YEAR OLD FELLA,, AND FORGET ABOUT HEAVY WEIGHT,,
so thats that
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my dad has horrible kidneys that have nearly shut down several times. kidney stones that look like mt rushmore. yes he used to be hormonized and "lived the dream" 263 onstage. He's still got the lime green thong somewhere.
I've never seen a more spot on post about anything before. this is 100% correct. this is proof that gh15 is legit (for any non believers still left.)
he is not talking about kidney stone kidneys, lot's of people have those. he just described "bodybuilding kidneys" perfectly.
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my dad has horrible kidneys that have nearly shut down several times. kidney stones that look like mt rushmore. yes he used to be hormonized and "lived the dream" 263 onstage. He's still got the lime green thong somewhere.
I've never seen a more spot on post about anything before. this is 100% correct. this is proof that gh15 is legit (for any non believers still left.)
he is not talking about kidney stone kidneys, lot's of people have those. he just described "bodybuilding kidneys" perfectly.
wow, sorry to hear this Nirvana
How's he doing?
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wow, sorry to hear this Nirvana
How's he doing?
he's fine right now. but you never know when shit will go downhill.
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Bummer. Seemed like a good cat.
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great post nirvana & gh15 on the topic... good info!
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He died for you bitches!
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This is incorrect. By the time you can "see" or "feel" something wrong with your kidneys, they have lost 90% of their function. BTW, the only nociceptors for the kidney are in the lining around the kidney. Meaning, you can't and wont feel any problem unless your kidney is inflammed, gets larger, and presses against the lining.
Get blood tests. Even small amounts of protein and creatinine can mean you are having possible serious kidney issues, that you most definitely can NOT feel.
You can feel it, brother. They don't need to be 90% shot. You can take a pretty decent amount of tread off them with orals and a high protein diet. I completely disagree with tbombz' 1000g of protein statement too, I'm sorry, t-bro. A few hundred g's a day CONSTANTLY and all the other shit we take really adds up. I don't want this to be confused with gear mongering of course. I'm not saying you'll die, but it does take it's toll.
Pin the gas pedal to the floor and you'll feel like shit. Believe it. Focal segmental glomerulosclerosis and nephrotic syndrome are very real. And you never know when you can have a predisposition for weak kidneys that really take a licking poorly. I've actually been minding my kidneys a lot more lately because of past renal damage. This is a cold reminder on how important that shit is. They can kick the bucket before you know it.
PIP, Luke.
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Did anyone here watch LUKE WOOD: FOLLOWING A DREAM on DVD?
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GH 15 is spot on about foamy urine being a sign of kidney problems
xs frothy/foamy urine is due to xs albumin and/ or protein leakage in the urine , a sign of kidney damage.
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just so it clear,, again ,, when i say foamy urine i mean FOAMY ...like you took your eggwhites and put them in blender and mixed it in blender for 10 seconds,, i mean foamy! not the many bubbles you see after you pee...thats typical of any urine if it hits water and has urine chemicals in it that the body get rid of...
what i mean when i say foamy is ...YOU WILL HAVE FOAMY URINE BEFORE IT EVEN TOUCH THE SURFACE OF WATER....IT WONT LOOK LIKE LIQUID ,, IT WILL LOOK LIKE LIQUID AND FOAM COMBO KINDA OF LIKE YOU PEE FOAMY LIQUID AND WHEN IT HIT THE SURFACE OF THE WATER....IT IWL BE MANY MANY MANY MANY MANY AND THEN SOME MORE MANY FOAMS AND IT AINT GOING NO WHERE IT WILL REMAIN THERE FOR LONG TIME
so dont go to the doctore now tell him oh i saw bubbles in my urine and gh15 said im about to pass on lol ,,no! there is diff between FOAM and bubbles that can be foamy tecture to the physics... to a lesser degree
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About 12-13 years ago I used creatine on and off for a period of 2-3 years and eventually had to go to the bathroom frequently. There was some foam in my urine near the end of this period - nothing crazy but definitely more than usual which made me notice it. I went to my doctor and he did find traces of protein in the urine. After a while the symptoms went away. 3-4 years after that I used creatine again and did not have these symptoms.
I also used MSM powder 12-13 years ago along with creatine and chromium picolinate which gave me horrible facial acne that stopped once I quit the MSM, chromium and creatine supplement. Fortunately there were no scars and my skin healed almost immediately after stopping.
Anyone else had these kind of reactions?
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intelligent....? why would anyone with intelligence poison themself with drugs?
i wish him no ill however hopefully he recovers
How do you figure he will recover?
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i recall a thread a few years back where Luke insisted all his stats were within normal range, especially his BP, which i recall commenting on and he again reinforced his BP was within normal range... What I didnt believe at the time and still cannot, is how anyone can run even 500mg of test a week and not see at least a 10-15 point hike in systolic and diastolic numbers along with a rise in my resting heart rate. My dabbling has always shown this... Anyone else care to keep track of this stuff? I mean, 15 years of this kind of hypertension, anyone can forget about their kidneys, juice or not...
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when you pee FOAM coming out of the peepee hole,, and i mean it wont be liquid anymore it will be foamy ....when it come out of peepee like thaT....not when it couches the toilet water,, that is common the toxins ceate foams...this is normal ,, but when pee come out of peepee hole foamy....my friend you have a problem,, if you cant see you got a problem when you pee foam insted of liquid,, then maybe you need to not only be on dialysis but also have brain surgery ,,
and its not easy to ruin kidnys abuse shoudl be severe and of quite few types od drugs,, luke wood was abuser
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i recall a thread a few years back where Luke insisted all his stats were within normal range, especially his BP, which i recall commenting on and he again reinforced his BP was within normal range... What I didnt believe at the time and still cannot, is how anyone can run even 500mg of test a week and not see at least a 10-15 point hike in systolic and diastolic numbers along with a rise in my resting heart rate. My dabbling has always shown this... Anyone else care to keep track of this stuff? I mean, 15 years of this kind of hypertension, anyone can forget about their kidneys, juice or not...
You cannot equate a small test dosage with an equal spike in BP the body does not work that way. if you keep estrogen in check and sodium low you should not see any ill effects really.
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when you pee FOAM coming out of the peepee hole,, and i mean it wont be liquid anymore it will be foamy ....when it come out of peepee like thaT....not when it couches the toilet water,, that is common the toxins ceate foams...this is normal ,, but when pee come out of peepee hole foamy....my friend you have a problem,, if you cant see you got a problem when you pee foam insted of liquid,, then maybe you need to not only be on dialysis but also have brain surgery ,,
and its not easy to ruin kidnys abuse shoudl be severe and of quite few types od drugs,, luke wood was abuser
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Doctor hand job (gh15) you must do brain surgery for a living, huh? You are a fukin idiot!
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Just watched the tribute videos and it looks like Luke Wood was a great guy. So many people will say it was a waste of a life and that he died at 35 for nothing by abusing his body. Yet when you read the tributes and how many people loved this guy he achieved more in 35 years than some people will ever achieve. And I am not talking about his physique.
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gh15 is a danger to all of you. sums it up.
many, many of us had problems with kidneys on manufactured trenbolone as low as 75mg a day.
BALONIE,, and who is many of us? introduce yourself before me ,,
no one EVER had kidny problem from trenbolona at 75mg at 100 mg at 150mg and at 200mg and even at 300 mg a day ! ,, this is balonie! dont try to cover the real reason luke wood was in poor health! ,, luke wood did the 3 no nos in bodybuild
INSULINA HIGH DOSES...EVERYONE DOES IT
DIURETICS! HE TOOK IT TO A LEVEL HIS BODY COULDNT HANDLE AKA STRETCHED IT....NOT EVERYONE OF US DOES IT
NARCOTICS! I WONT COMMENT ABOUT WHO IS DOING WHAT...BUT MANY DO IT ! INCLUDING WOOD
THOSE 3 ARE THE CAUSE OF KIDNY AND LIVER PROBLEMS ,, NOT AAS! BE ACCURATE WHEN YOU SPIT SOMETHING,,
i want to hear here ONE FELLA THAT WAS ONLY ON AAS AND HGH ...AND USED TRENBOLONA ACE AND HAD KIDNY ANYTHING....LETS HEAR IT,, I WANT TO HEAR ABOUT FELLAS WHO HAD PROBLEMS COMON ONLY USED AAS THOUGH NOT THE BALONIE I WROTE ABOUT IN MY DESCRIPTION OF WHY LUKE WOOD WAS IN POOR HEALTH ,,
the members of this cult are in many cases walking addicts to narcotics...
do you remember swolecat? i dont want to mention his real name ...but you remember him ,, everyone who is anything in this cult remember him ....
why was the reason of death never published? why? BECAUSE HE WAS A NARCOTIC USER! thats why! thats why he died at 37or 35 or how ever it was back then ,, this is why! the reason was not the trenbolona balonie ,, it ws NARCOTICS INADDITION TO THE AAS...
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swolecat introduced trenbolona 8)
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He's right. You can't find anyone to speak on the real reason of Chris's death. RIP to him. He was a good dude
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no one second guess,, he died from kidny rejection ,, he died due to por hhealth due to kidny not functioning...he had malfunctioned kidny due to the use of high doses insulina aka diabetic levels to the 10th degree,, diuretic abuse,, and narcotics,,
thats why you lose kidnys in bodybuilding and wrestling,,
trenbolona ace = no problem
trenbolona ace......lots of advillllll....ghb..... lasix.....and some alcohol x and cocaine once in a while in the parying scene ....and say bye bye bye like the insinxt song goes,, say bye bye bye to kidnys first and then liver ...or heart...or something will not stand,,
the reasonnnnnnnn thomas prince had kidnys meldown ....is due to pain killllllllllllllllllllll llllllers...NOT STEROIDS,,
i told you ,,
insulina high dose ,,
narcotics ,,
duretic abuse,,
you need do a check mark next to anything you use....
if you get 5 check marks you are at risk of severe health problems
aas regulas basis
hgh regular basis
insulina regular basis
booz regular basis
cigarettes regular basis
diuretics prescribed regular basis
narcotics that includes PAIN killers regular basis
if you check 5 of the above! you will not die from natural death and or will die from health related issue involving an organ
now...the ones who can do 5 checks on the list i put there....are pretty much abusers and drug addicts of the worst degree...
i know you dont like to hear this but this is the truth friends
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About 12-13 years ago I used creatine on and off for a period of 2-3 years and eventually had to go to the bathroom frequently. There was some foam in my urine near the end of this period - nothing crazy but definitely more than usual which made me notice it. I went to my doctor and he did find traces of protein in the urine. After a while the symptoms went away. 3-4 years after that I used creatine again and did not have these symptoms.
I also used MSM powder 12-13 years ago along with creatine and chromium picolinate which gave me horrible facial acne that stopped once I quit the MSM, chromium and creatine supplement. Fortunately there were no scars and my skin healed almost immediately after stopping.
Anyone else had these kind of reactions?
Yrs ago, when I used to use Muscletech's Celltech, I used to pee like a racehorse---far more than 8 ounces that I took with it...It was disturbing...I had stopped. Now, I have stage 3 kidney disease, along with hypertension, and high cholesterol, and I have one kidney (it was found out that I have only one). In 10 yrs, I will either need a kidney transplant or be on dialysis...my high protein diet, and the heavy weightlifting contributed to this...also, I think the celltech and other creatine supps, did as well.
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But what brought about the kidney rejection, further abuse?
After recieving his new kidney, did he say ok, I've got a second chance forget about bodybuilding, or shall I just continue putting my body under massive strain.
As I understand it, the transplant didn't take. His body rejected it. This is not uncommon with transplanted organs, some more so than others. I believe he actually died from a blood clot. It was a series of events that led to his death. This is also not unusual.
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About 12-13 years ago I used creatine on and off for a period of 2-3 years and eventually had to go to the bathroom frequently. There was some foam in my urine near the end of this period - nothing crazy but definitely more than usual which made me notice it. I went to my doctor and he did find traces of protein in the urine. After a while the symptoms went away. 3-4 years after that I used creatine again and did not have these symptoms.
I also used MSM powder 12-13 years ago along with creatine and chromium picolinate which gave me horrible facial acne that stopped once I quit the MSM, chromium and creatine supplement. Fortunately there were no scars and my skin healed almost immediately after stopping.
Anyone else had these kind of reactions?
you suppose to have foam in your urine ...its the toxins..youre not suppose to have foam coming out your of your cock when you pee...thats the diff,, and protien in urine ,,traces of it is perfectly fine,, happen all the time and is normal
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But what brought about the kidney rejection, further abuse?
After recieving his new kidney, did he say ok, I've got a second chance forget about bodybuilding, or shall I just continue putting my body under massive strain.
no he didnt have time to abuse anythign ,, he quit bodybuild ,,after the kidny was done he was done too with bodybuild,,he just wanted a new kidny,, and the kidny didnt sit well with his organs for whatever reason no one will know it denyed it,, the body denied the new kidny,,or complications reallly cant tell you about the surgery becaus i dont know
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Im sitting outside the doctors office now waiting for results of my latest bloodwork...(cue jaws music)
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Yrs ago, when I used to use Muscletech's Celltech, I used to pee like a racehorse---far more than 8 ounces that I took with it...It was disturbing...I had stopped. Now, I have stage 3 kidney disease, along with hypertension, and high cholesterol, and I have one kidney (it was found out that I have only one). In 10 yrs, I will either need a kidney transplant or be on dialysis...my high protein diet, and the heavy weightlifting contributed to this...also, I think the celltech and other creatine supps, did as well.
and are you on steroids? have you ever been to steroids? what you say is that you been to creatine and cellteck,, creatine is known kidny fucker,, thats why i never use this balonie,, all those white creatine powder glutamine powder all useless balonie,,supp companies make money on your health ....as simpel as that,,
also,, what does ti mean you only discovered you had 1 kidny? didnt you know it? didnt they see it when you were born?
just so felas here know 1 kidny is enough to live happy life till the end of days,, happily ever after ...more careful about things but over all happy life,, it is when the 2 are doomed then we got problem,,never the less..stage 3 kidny desease....is something that wil come from high blood pressure for very long time i mean very long time,, the type of blood pressure that will give you headaches on regular basis and really gt you head pounding on regular basisyou know those headaches you just feel liek hammer is knocking in your head and you dont do nothing to deserve it only sitting on the couch...or those headaches after you been on 200mg anadrola for 3 weeks straight....those kind of headaches...but the kidny stage 3 desasese come for long time lonnnng time of that ..nto 3 week
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Yrs ago, when I used to use Muscletech's Celltech, I used to pee like a racehorse---far more than 8 ounces that I took with it...It was disturbing...I had stopped. Now, I have stage 3 kidney disease, along with hypertension, and high cholesterol, and I have one kidney (it was found out that I have only one). In 10 yrs, I will either need a kidney transplant or be on dialysis...my high protein diet, and the heavy weightlifting contributed to this...also, I think the celltech and other creatine supps, did as well.
Seriously?
Ive just got blood results back, blood pressure normal, liver enzymes normal, kidney functions normal, cholesterol 5
Haha im invincible
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But what brought about the kidney rejection, further abuse?
After recieving his new kidney, did he say ok, I've got a second chance forget about bodybuilding, or shall I just continue putting my body under massive strain.
Listen, I dont want to discredit luke in any sort of way, the man was a fantastic person real nice guy bbing is now sadder without him............however, he was sick mentally like most bodybuilders, he couldnt accept the fact of being smaller, im not saying this to discredit him, but he abused diuretics big time, staying on thyroids for many years straight, abused dnp...etc. Even while on dialysis he was using test and im not talking in mg im talking in grams, now you try getting a fresh kidney transplant while still using AAS, it was no wonder the body rejected it.
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there is a safe way to do steroids they said ::)
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and are you on steroids? have you ever been to steroids? what you say is that you been to creatine and cellteck,, creatine is known kidny fucker,, thats why i never use this balonie,, all those white creatine powder glutamine powder all useless balonie,,supp companies make money on your health ....as simpel as that,,
also,, what does ti mean you only discovered you had 1 kidny? didnt you know it? didnt they see it when you were born?
just so felas here know 1 kidny is enough to live happy life till the end of days,, happily ever after ...more careful about things but over all happy life,, it is when the 2 are doomed then we got problem,,never the less..stage 3 kidny desease....is something that wil come from high blood pressure for very long time i mean very long time,, the type of blood pressure that will give you headaches on regular basis and really gt you head pounding on regular basisyou know those headaches you just feel liek hammer is knocking in your head and you dont do nothing to deserve it only sitting on the couch...or those headaches after you been on 200mg anadrola for 3 weeks straight....those kind of headaches...but the kidny stage 3 desasese come for
long time lonnnng time of that ..nto 3 week
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never been on steriods, took that biotest Mag-10 once or twice, and never touched a prohormone again. I was all whey, and chickbreast, and celltech, this was back in 2001-2004.
Hypertension was found out in 2004...in 2007 I was rushed to the hospital with blood pressure 200/over a high ass number, basically I was stroke level. Eyes were bloodshot. Then after they put me on meds they told me to never ever take Sudafed or that powder Flu (you put in water) as it contains that drug that raises blood pressure.
Went and and had tests to look at kidneys and thet couldn't find one, they were puzzled...turns out, I was either born w/o one or that I took a real bad hit as a child, which destroyed one.
I have a family of high cholesterol and my grandfather had 3 strokes, combine a high protein diet, a stressful job, and lifting weights, it was a recipe for disaster.
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never been on steriods, took that biotest Mag-10 once or twice, and never touched a prohormone again. I was all whey, and chickbreast, and celltech, this was back in 2001-2004.
Hypertension was found out in 2004...in 2007 I was rushed to the hospital with blood pressure 200/over a high ass number, basically I was stroke level. Eyes were bloodshot. Then after they put me on meds they told me to never ever take Sudafed or that powder Flu (you put in water) as it contains that drug that raises blood pressure.
Went and and had tests to look at kidneys and thet couldn't find one, they were puzzled...turns out, I was either born w/o one or that I took a real bad hit as a child, which destroyed one.
I have a family of high cholesterol and my grandfather had 3 strokes, combine a high protein diet, a stressful job, and lifting weights, it was a recipe for disaster.
yes,, as i suspected,, it is genetic and the supp didnt add ,, they made it worse,, funny thing is that hormones probably wouldnt msake it worse,, its the supplements and especialy the creatine and that damn BIOTEST MAG which i trieed on myself once! that caused even worse situation than you had...
i treied biomagtest,, i wanted to try it ,, it was so BAD ,, it waas side effects wrapped in a bottle ,, it was HORRID,, those things are the cause to the sides and the bad name steroids have,, its when you try to go around the steroids and create half way steroid or pro hormone ...thats when shit happen
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Most of the ph's are side effects wrapped in a bottle.
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How is this not a sticky? This is a bodybuilding board, and he was a bodybuilder. ???
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never been on steriods, took that biotest Mag-10 once or twice, and never touched a prohormone again. I was all whey, and chickbreast, and celltech, this was back in 2001-2004.
Hypertension was found out in 2004...in 2007 I was rushed to the hospital with blood pressure 200/over a high ass number, basically I was stroke level. Eyes were bloodshot. Then after they put me on meds they told me to never ever take Sudafed or that powder Flu (you put in water) as it contains that drug that raises blood pressure.
Went and and had tests to look at kidneys and thet couldn't find one, they were puzzled...turns out, I was either born w/o one or that I took a real bad hit as a child, which destroyed one.
I have a family of high cholesterol and my grandfather had 3 strokes, combine a high protein diet, a stressful job, and lifting weights, it was a recipe for disaster.
Did the blood pressure interfere with your lifting? I ask because I have high blood pressure and am going to finally go get it checked out, but my workouts have been getting worse and worse over the years to the point where I finally just gave up. I'm trying to figure out if the blood pressure is to blame... I've tried practically everything else I can think of, nothing helps.
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Did the blood pressure interfere with your lifting? I ask because I have high blood pressure and am going to finally go get it checked out, but my workouts have been getting worse and worse over the years to the point where I finally just gave up. I'm trying to figure out if the blood pressure is to blame... I've tried practically everything else I can think of, nothing helps.
Yes, I used to train at home, and today, as I was visiting my parents, my mom said that she remembered me crawling up the basement steps. I had trained arms...superset style.
When I joined a gym, I stopped the squats, as it would send my BP thru the roof. My doc had told me to stop with the weights---after my scare, it got to the point where I was scared ro do pushups...I went from 175-180 to 118 pounds. It has had a huge mental effect...whereas I used to eat anything and everything, I sometimes now eat only one meal aday, if that...you could sit a plate of food in front of me, and I won't touch it...had it been before Feb 2007, the food and the plate would be gone.
Weight training, especially heavy weights raise BP significantly, especially if you are predisposed to hypertension...
You have to weigh is it worth having X inch arms or your health...yes,, as i suspected,, it is genetic and the supp didnt add ,, they made it worse,, funny thing is that hormones probably wouldnt msake it worse,, its the supplements and especialy the creatine and that damn
BIOTEST MAG which i trieed on myself once! that caused even worse situation than you had...
i treied biomagtest,, i wanted to try it ,, it was so BAD ,, it waas side effects wrapped in a bottle ,, it was HORRID,, those things are the cause to the sides and the bad name steroids have,, its when you try to go around the steroids and create half way steroid or pro hormone ...thats when shit happen
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I still have that Biotest Mag10 box...saw it in my parent's basement
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Yes, I used to train at home, and today, as I was visiting my parents, my mom said that she remembered me crawling up the basement steps. I had trained arms...superset style.
When I joined a gym, I stopped the squats, as it would send my BP thru the roof. My doc had told me to stop with the weights---after my scare, it got to the point where I was scared ro do pushups...I went from 175-180 to 118 pounds. It has had a huge mental effect...whereas I used to eat anything and everything, I sometimes now eat only one meal aday, if that...you could sit a plate of food in front of me, and I won't touch it...had it been before Feb 2007, the food and the plate would be gone.
Weight training, especially heavy weights raise BP significantly, especially if you are predisposed to hypertension...
I know the feeling of blood pressure going through the roof... i actually got exertion headaches a couple of times on leg press, scared the shit out of me! But beyond that I also feel like my body has just been shutting down over the years. Can't get a pump anymore, and i feel the weight less and less in my muscles and more in my joints. You ever get anything like that? Or were your problems more of the "wow my head is going to explode" variety?
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I know the feeling of blood pressure going through the roof... i actually got exertion headaches a couple of times on leg press, scared the shit out of me! But beyond that I also feel like my body has just been shutting down over the years. Can't get a pump anymore, and i feel the weight less and less in my muscles and more in my joints. You ever get anything like that? Or were your problems more of the "wow my head is going to explode" variety?
It was the "wow my head is going to explode", coupled with severe tiredness and shortness of breath...like I over exerted myself...but I would get those banging headaches, like somebody was hitting my head with a sledge hammer with each heartbeat...bam, bam...bam,bam, and the shit would echo...I could feel it in my ears...
Sometimes when I lifted, my hearing would blank out, but I could hear, it was like it was monotone, like stuffed up...
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Yes, I used to train at home, and today, as I was visiting my parents, my mom said that she remembered me crawling up the basement steps. I had trained arms...superset style.
When I joined a gym, I stopped the squats, as it would send my BP thru the roof. My doc had told me to stop with the weights---after my scare, it got to the point where I was scared ro do pushups...I went from 175-180 to 118 pounds. It has had a huge mental effect...whereas I used to eat anything and everything, I sometimes now eat only one meal aday, if that...you could sit a plate of food in front of me, and I won't touch it...had it been before Feb 2007, the food and the plate would be gone.
Weight training, especially heavy weights raise BP significantly, especially if you are predisposed to hypertension...
You have to weigh is it worth having X inch arms or your health...I still have that Biotest Mag10 box...saw it in my parent's basement
Let me qualify my reply by saying I am not a doctor. Supposedly, one of the ways people with high blood pressure can lower it is by doing cardiovascular exercise. Weight training has some cardiovascular components. Of course if you hit the gym all hyped up and stressed out, don't warm up, start squatting with really heavy weights, holding your breath, you will probably have an episode of high blood pressure....maybe even a stroke if you are that out of shape.
Your doctor gave you bad advice.
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Let me qualify my reply by saying I am not a doctor. Supposedly, one of the ways people with high blood pressure can lower it is by doing cardiovascular exercise. Weight training has some cardiovascular components. Of course if you hit the gym all hyped up and stressed out, don't warm up, start squatting with really heavy weights, holding your breath, you will probably have an episode of high blood pressure....maybe even a stroke if you are that out of shape.
Your doctor gave you bad advice.
Light weights, yes...heavy no...I can now lift, but at the time, the goal was to get my BP down to a very manageable level, and to get my cholesterol level to heavy level...
Cardio is good...the thing is, I used to count on my high metabolism to kick in,
I once had a doc tell me that I was Overweight due to BMI---I was 175 with abs like whoa, and a defined face...but later on, just because you don't look like you have hypertension, doesn't mean you don't...
I had two docs, one was the my main doc, the internist, and the other was a nephrologist, one of the best in DC area, and both stated to cut down drastically (at the time) on weight training. The risks far outway the small gain.
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Light weights, yes...heavy no...I can now lift, but at the time, the goal was to get my BP down to a very manageable level, and to get my cholesterol level to heavy level...
Cardio is good...the thing is, I used to count on my high metabolism to kick in,
I once had a doc tell me that I was Overweight due to BMI---I was 175 with abs like whoa, and a defined face...but later on, just because you don't look like you have hypertension, doesn't mean you don't...
I had two docs, one was the my main doc, the internist, and the other was a nephrologist, one of the best in DC area, and both stated to cut down drastically (at the time) on weight training. The risks far outway the small gain.
There are a number of things that are responsible for hypertension. It can simply be the luck of the draw....genetics. Stress is known to be a huge contributor too. Of course, carry around a lot of extra weight is a problem as well. I suspect that it makes little difference whether that weight is muscle or fat, it's all hard on our hearts. Diet is a contributes to hypertension as well. Too much salt can cause high blood pressure. Alcoholism can cause high blood pressure.
When done responsibly, weight training can be a benefit to our health and our blood pressure. Like you suggest, going heavy with the weights when you already have blood pressure issues is bad news. However, one of the ways people can lower their resting heart rate is by raising it temporally via exercise.
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how do you think Jari "Bull" Mentula's kidneys are holding up with Milos Sarcev training ??? ???
(http://static1.fotoalbum.ee/fotoalbum/23/584/023584411a72e2.jpg)
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how do you think Jari "Bull" Mentula's kidneys are holding up with Milos Sarcev training ??? ???
(http://static1.fotoalbum.ee/fotoalbum/23/584/023584411a72e2.jpg)
Damn, i don't think Frodo will stand a chance, now that Gollum is on steroids.... :o :o :o :o
LOTR 4 -- The Return of Gollum will be the bomb.
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Looks like he's going for the health look.
A few mgs of test each week, winny once in a blue moon and a couple tic tacs before the gym. Easily maintainable physique.
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thats some serious balonie,, this is exactly what happened to luke in 5 years from now maybe less,, if you cant see thie fella is sick i mean SICK FROM WITHIN as in not doing well...then its aproblem
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water retention due to sugar in tic tacs
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how do you think Jari "Bull" Mentula's kidneys are holding up with Milos Sarcev training ??? ???
(http://static1.fotoalbum.ee/fotoalbum/23/584/023584411a72e2.jpg)
He's clearly trying Dorian's cycle from MD; obviously just a good responder like Dorian.
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that is one ugly physique - look at that gut
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its balooned up physiqe due to insulina and hgh high doses... the muscle there is just virgin muscle,, not ready for blow up liek philsulina just wasnt ready for blow up ,, not enough muscular development...
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he looks very very ill........
jesus he's gonna fuck himself up one day sooner than later especially that he's following milos's advice now... he's a huge risk..
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he looks very very ill........
jesus he's gonna fuck himself up one day sooner than later especially that he's following milos's advice now... he's a huge risk..
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Perhaps he should move on from Milos. Although Milos can be very convincing...
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sad RIP to be married in 6 weeks?
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Perhaps he should move on from Milos. Although Milos can be very convincing...
Move to someone like Oscar Arden... low doses and blood work. Oh wait, it's Farah who demands blood work. :D
Doesn't matter who a guy like this works with.
I can see Milos advicing this Bull guy:
"Now I want you to take 20iu of insulin before training"
"I'm already taking 60iu before and another 60iu after"
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Interesting thread; I didn’t dabble in much other than AAS but it was M1T that I couldn’t take.
Just taking one or two made me tired so I threw it out.
Hearing Swolecat’s name is blast from the past and didn’t know he died.
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You cannot equate a small test dosage with an equal spike in BP the body does not work that way. if you keep estrogen in check and sodium low you should not see any ill effects really.
I realize this post is from 2011, but yes.
How can 500mg of Testosterone a week cause a 15 point rise in systolic blood pressure? ???
That seems off to me.
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I realize this post is from 2011, but yes.
How can 500mg of Testosterone a week cause a 15 point rise in systolic blood pressure? ???
That seems off to me.
I’m sure it can for some people; just bloat from aromatization alone can spike someone’s BP quite a bit.
Seems is a factor too..
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I realize this post is from 2011, but yes.
How can 500mg of Testosterone a week cause a 15 point rise in systolic blood pressure? ???
That seems off to me.
Bhanky does 500 mg of “trt” of just test
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Bhanky does 500 mg of “trt” of just test
Also 5 liters of Protein straight from the tap