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I hope this guy gets the nomination....he's exactly what we need!
Unemployed Wall Street protesters only have themselves to blame for lacking a job, so says Herman Cain.
The Republican presidential candidate insisted that the demonstrations were being "orchestrated" to help President Obama.
"I don't have the facts to back this up, but I happen to believe that these demonstrations are planned and orchestrated to distract from the failed policies of the Obama Administration," Cain told the Wall Street Journal.
The Tea Party favorite then argued that the plight of the unemployed was their own fault.
"Don't blame Wall Street, don't blame the big banks, if you don't have a job and you're not rich, blame yourself. It is not someone's fault if they succeeded, it is someone's fault if they failed," the ex-Godfather's Pizza CEO declared.
The fiery remarks come as protest organizers plan for their biggest demonstrations yet -- at least 2,000 people are expected to gather in lower Manhattan Wednesday.
Last week, 700 protesters who spilled onto the streets near the Brooklyn Bridge were arrested on charges of disorderly conduct.
Cain acknowledged that the banking industry played a role in the 2008 economic meltdown, but argued they were no longer responsible.
Protesters and police officers on Brooklyn Bridge during the 'Occupy Wall Street' rally on Oct. 1 (Anjali Mullany/News)
"They did have something to do with the crisis that we went into in 2008, but we're not in 2008, we're in 2011," Cain said."...These demonstrations, I honestly don't understand what they're looking for. To me, they come across more as anti-capitalism."
Cain's campaign has been picking up steam since he won Florida's straw poll last month.
And in a recent Rasmussen Reports poll, Cain trails Obama by just five points in a head-to-head matchup.
Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2011/10/05/2011-10-05_herman_cain_to_occupy_wall_street_protesters_if_youre_not_rich_blame_yourself.html#ixzz1ZxQBps8C
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2011/10/05/2011-10-05_herman_cain_to_occupy_wall_street_protesters_if_youre_not_rich_blame_yourself.html
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I think everyone should pay X% amount of tax so if you do 100k a year, you WILL pay more tax than someone who makes 10k
it's simple logic
someone who makes 100K should not pay 15% while the poor one pay 10% and vice versa.
Tax the same % to everyone and this ends the problem
(those % are fictional, I don't know what you guys pay in the states)
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theres not a face palm big enough to respond to a thread like this
he can't be serious
By the way> http://wearethe99percent.tumblr.com/
These are people who worked hard, 80+ hours a week, went to college, got BAs, MAs, PHDs, tried to become contributors to society. The idea that these are all lazy football watching beer drinking fatasses is a dangerous misconception and I find it appalling. These people (most of them) did what society told them to. They worked their asses off, went through school, and still end up not being able to afford cancer treatment, not being able to buy food for their children and pay rent at the same time, not be able to afford diapers for their child, let dad die because his treatment cost a little too much, etc.
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''If you're not rich 'blame yourself''
Most retarded statement I've ever heard.
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why don't everybody pay the same %
please explain to me
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I like a Gingrich/Cain ticket.
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"I don't have the facts to back it up..."
okay...Mr. Cain, please sit down and have another round.
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why don't everybody pay the same %
please explain to me
because the rich write the laws.
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because the rich write the laws.
In quebec, poor pay something like 15% and you pay 25% when you make 75k per year or more
it pisses me off.
the guy who makes more WILL PAY MORE since the % of his income will be higher !
what is it like in the USA ?
do you guys have a chart somewhere ?
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''If you're not rich 'blame yourself''
Most retarded statement I've ever heard.
Agreed! One of the dumbest statements of all time.
No Question capitalism is great, but can we please stop pretenting that rich people are smarter and harder working than the rest of us and poor people are dumb and lazy?!?
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In quebec, poor pay something like 15% and you pay 25% when you make 75k per year or more
it pisses me off.
the guy who makes more WILL PAY MORE since the % of his income will be higher !
what is it like in the USA ?
do you guys have a chart somewhere ?
You know...it's called a progressive tax system...you might want to google that concept
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You know...it's called a progressive tax system...you might want to google that concept
it's stupid
it's a pourcentage !
10% of 100k is more than 10% of 10k
so if you tax everybody the same, the rich will end up paying more.
what's wrong with that ?
you guys want to rich to pay half their fucking income ?
I am not even rich I am middle class but it doesn't make sense to me
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Cain 4 the win !!!!!!!!!!!!!! :) :) :) :) :)
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I think everyone should pay X% amount of tax so if you do 100k a year, you WILL pay more tax than someone who makes 10k
it's simple logic
someone who makes 100K should not pay 15% while the poor one pay 10% and vice versa.
Tax the same % to everyone and this ends the problem
(those % are fictional, I don't know what you guys pay in the states)
This, not that my income is high. I just don't think we should punish productivity.
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Stav,
The percentages kick in at different levels, you are not paying a flat rate on all your income, just a higher percentage at higher levels
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This, not that my income is high. I just don't think we should punish productivity.
If only it were true that the more you made, the more "productive" you are, correlated but not equal by any means
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Agreed! One of the dumbest statements of all time.
No Question capitalism is great, but can we please stop pretenting that rich people are smarter and harder working than the rest of us and poor people are dumb and lazy?!?
Dude, that is exactly the truth. Rich are rich because they take risks and work hard, and 9 times out of 10 are smarter. I have employees, I make substantially more money than them, but I am smarter, and I take all of the risk. It is just easier to step up the scale when you start making a certain amount. Doors seem to open. I tell you what, going from $40k to $80k a year was way harder than going from $80k to $160k. Just the way it is, it's like the addage, it takes money to make money to run a business. Well, the same is true in life. Once you get a little more money, it's easier to accrue more wealth. On a macro level one may feel inclined to feel bad for the poor, but when you look at each case, more often than not, the poor are poor because they made/make bad decisions. I have a few that work for me now, and once they're in that position, they are easily exploited.
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If only it were true that the more you made, the more "productive" you are, correlated but not equal by any means
People generally make what they deserve.
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Stav,
The percentages kick in at different levels, you are not paying a flat rate on all your income, just a higher percentage at higher levels
that's my point.
I don't know shit about finances, but the logic for me would be to impose a flat rate for everybody
X% of your income whether you make 10k or 1million a year
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Poor Coach. In a few months, we will realize that his non-stop bitching is racist-based, and not policy or party-based. :)
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Poor Coach. In a few months, we will realize that all your non-stop bitching is racist-based, and not policy or party-based. :)
That makes sense, what with Herman Cain being black and all.
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Dude, that is exactly the truth. Rich are rich because they take risks and work hard, and 9 times out of 10 are smarter. I have employees, I make substantially more money than them, but I am smarter, and I take all of the risk. It is just easier to step up the scale when you start making a certain amount. Doors seem to open. I tell you what, going from $40k to $80k a year was way harder than going from $80k to $160k. Just the way it is, it's like the addage, it takes money to make money to run a business. Well, the same is true in life. Once you get a little more money, it's easier to accrue more wealth. On a macro level one may feel inclined to feel bad for the poor, but when you look at each case, more often than not, the poor are poor because they made/make bad decisions. I have a few that work for me now, and once they're in that position, they are easily exploited.
what? ??? For your argument to work, you would have to prove that the poor dont take risks or work hard. The link I provided in my post above showed exactly the opposite. There are a lot of poor people that work very hard, took huge risks (taking out loans as an investment on their education) to try to better themselves, and they end up with eviction notices, no employment, dad cant pay for his cancer treatment, etc etc. All you said was that the poor make bad decisions. If you think they take risks but these risks just don't turn out, and for the rich the risks do turn out good, then you have to admit the outcome is arbitrary to the effort, and surely you cant believe we should have economic rewards for people who just happen to have good "luck" ???
Here it is again so you won't have to scroll http://wearethe99percent.tumblr.com/
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That makes sense, what with Herman Cain being black and all.
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People do not like to hear the truth unfortunately. You're not rich because you're either too stupid or too lazy to put in the work necessary to become rich. Most people are not stupid.
theres not a face palm big enough to respond to a thread like this
he can't be serious
By the way> http://wearethe99percent.tumblr.com/
These are people who worked hard, 80+ hours a week, went to college, got BAs, MAs, PHDs, tried to become contributors to society. The idea that these are all lazy football watching beer drinking fatasses is a dangerous misconception and I find it appalling. These people (most of them) did what society told them to. They worked their asses off, went through school, and still end up not being able to afford cancer treatment, not being able to buy food for their children and pay rent at the same time, not be able to afford diapers for their child, let dad die because his treatment cost a little too much, etc.
They bought that bullshit ass DREAM. Just because you go to college does not automatically entitle you to riches. How about contributing something to society of value and making money instead of bitching about it. Oh and who works 80 hours a week and does not make money by the way????
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Ahh yes, the subconscious racism approach. Have to cover all the angles.
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Dude, that is exactly the truth. Rich are rich because they take risks and work hard, and 9 times out of 10 are smarter. I have employees, I make substantially more money than them, but I am smarter, and I take all of the risk. It is just easier to step up the scale when you start making a certain amount. Doors seem to open. I tell you what, going from $40k to $80k a year was way harder than going from $80k to $160k. Just the way it is, it's like the addage, it takes money to make money to run a business. Well, the same is true in life. Once you get a little more money, it's easier to accrue more wealth. On a macro level one may feel inclined to feel bad for the poor, but when you look at each case, more often than not, the poor are poor because they made/make bad decisions. I have a few that work for me now, and once they're in that position, they are easily exploited.
Happy to hear you hire dummies!!!
Dude come on, how presumptuous on your part declaring that you are smarter than them.
Rich are fortunate first and foremost. Have you taken advantage of your breaks in life better than others? Probably. But to declare ur self smarter than your employees and assume that all poor people are lazy and make bad decisions is presumptuous and pompous on your part
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Ahh yes, the subconscious racism approach. Have to cover all the angles.
Senor Falcon newsletter?
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People do not like to hear the truth unfortunately. You're not rich because you're either too stupid or too lazy to put in the work necessary to become rich. Most people are not stupid.
They bought that bullshit ass DREAM. Just because you go to college does not automatically entitle you to riches. How about contributing something to society of value and making money instead of bitching about it. Oh and who works 80 hours a week and does not make money by the way????
They did exactly what the "you're poor because you're lazy" people advised them to do. People like you. They followed your advice basically. They worked their asses off and still came up short. I don't understand this fantasy land that some people live in. They tried hard to contribute to society, there are a lot of Master degrees, a lot of teachers, nurses, etc on that site. These are not lazy beer drinkers who don't want to leave the couch. Who works 80 hours a week and still finds themselves poor? Too many.
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Senor Falcon newsletter?
Comes with a complimentary can of paint thinner to huff. Without that you wouldn't be able to assimilate all the knowledge bombs dropped on that paper.
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I'm liking this guy more and more, thanks for sharing Coach! 8)
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I'm liking this guy more and more, thanks for sharing Coach! 8)
outed as a rich arab ;D
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I'm liking this guy more and more, thanks for sharing Coach! 8)
Nothing like poor guys who will never be rich buying the bullshit that the wealthy are selling them to keep them working 80hrs a week to create more profits for the capital holders
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Dude, that is exactly the truth. Rich are rich because they take risks and work hard
Are you saying that if we (300 mill Americans ) take risks and work hard we are all going to be rich one day ?
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''If you're not rich 'blame yourself''
Most retarded statement I've ever heard.
You don't believe you control your own destiny?? ??? ??? ???
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Comes with a complimentary can of paint thinner to huff. Without that you wouldn't be able to assimilate all the knowledge bombs dropped on that paper.
Sold! Must have an iron-clad, non-mugshot guarantee, tho.
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You don't believe you control your own destiny?? ??? ??? ???
Then how come less than 1% of us are rich? ::)
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outed as a rich arab ;D
:D LOL
my parents just moved to Canada, we will chill next time I go up there!
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Are you saying that if we (300 mill Americans ) take risks and work hard we are all going to be rich one day ?
The select few who work the smartest & hardest will.
The sad fact is deeeeep down most folks ( including you) really don't want to be rich, you just don't think you deserve to and the thought of it is scary and overwhelming.
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Then how come less than 1% of us are rich? ::)
LOL is this a trick question??
See my post above.
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You know the old motto "anything is possible," yeah, that is utter bullshit. All the hard work in the world wont make most people the next Beethoven, Da Vinci, or Einstein. We are limited by our genetic and environment. Thus, the fact that people think that EVERYONE could become a genius or a millionaire is utter horseshit.
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:D LOL
my parents just moved to Canada, we will chill next time I go up there!
yeah 8)
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You don't believe you control your own destiny?? ??? ??? ???
to a certain extent you don't control your own destiny. You control what is within the limit of your human potential, but not beyond what you're capable of becoming. like I said, all the hard work in the world won't make most people win a nobel prize. Its the way it is. Just accept it.
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if you re not educated, blame your parents...
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if you re not educated, blame your parents...
Just blame W ;D
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You don't believe you control your own destiny?? ??? ??? ???
Yes you can but just think about ,we can't all be rich, as a society we need doctors ,teachers, construction workers, garbage man ,mail man ,cleaners ,bus drivers ...etc
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if you re not educated, blame your parents...
I have a fuck load of friends with BAC and Maitrises who don't make a lot of money at all.
doesn't make university appealing to me
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LOL is this a trick question??
See my post above.
Brainwashed
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I have a fuck load of friends with BAC and Maitrises who don't make a lot of money at all.
doesn't make university appealing to me
and there s a shitload of people with bac and masters who make a living just fine... maturity, empathy, Spirituality are needed in real life too to get jobs and keep them, not just degrees/diplomas... lots of kids with diplomas but who ve been so badly raised by parents that they simply cant deal with the adult world.
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The select few who work the smartest & hardest will.
The sad fact is deeeeep down most folks ( including you) really don't want to be rich, you just don't think you deserve to and the thought of it is scary and overwhelming.
I think you're a troll, no way can you really believe the second part. The truth is that a lot of the poor don't want to own a yacht, they want to be able to buy food for their children, pay for their medicine, have a house, pay for school supplies, and these needs aren't being met. If you're going to say that the women who cry themselves to sleep every night because they can't afford to buy diapers for their baby because the credit cards are maxed are in that position because deep down they really don't want to buy basic necessities for their children, then sir, you are a fucking dumbass.
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and there s a shitload of people with bac and masters who make a living...
absolutely
but my point is, my friends who are construction workers make more in general than people with degrees
me: I am poor for another 3 months after that I'll make a good living
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and there s a shitload of people with bac and masters who make a living...
But ain't rich! He didn't say if you're "middle class" blame yourself, he said "rich"
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there s no need to be rich to be happy. Balance in everything is the key.
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there s no need to be rich to be happy. Balance in everything is the key.
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there s no need to be rich to be happy. Balance in everything is the key.
Understood! But not what he said
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there s no need to be rich to be happy. Balance in everything is the key.
that has nothing to do with this thread ???
Do you really believe that the poor people (not a percentage, but ALL) deserve to be poor? Thats what Cain, The Coach, and about 2 more posters in this thread are arguing.
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Jesus...construction workers are providing a service and are paid as such. Unfortunately unless you own the construction company, you can have your income cut off with those 2 magic words just like any other wage slave (you're fired). There are more then a few construction workers who make more then college grads because there are literally hundreds of thousands with degrees that are useless in real life.
I mean really why the hell would you spend a decade in school to become a phd in a field where you know no money is made. Its a stupid idea honestly.
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there aint gunna be two colored Presidents in a row
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that has nothing to do with this thread ???
Do you really believe that the poor people (not a percentage, but ALL) deserve to be poor? Thats what Cain, The Coach, and about 2 more posters in this thread are arguing.
Cain said nothing of the sort. The point he was making is that these crackpot liberals are basically lazy sheep, who want to blame everyone else for their lot in life. Cain was a poor black boy in the deep segregated South, born to two poor parents. He ended up CEO of Godfather's Pizza.
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He never said anyone DESERVED to be poor!
But I've met people in my life who are just bitter towards rich people just because of the fact that they are rich. People view ALL big multi-million dollar corporations as these evil things run by evil greedy people, but thats not the case, sure there may be some rotten apples in the bunch, but that doesn't mean ALL OF THEM ARE! That majority of them are quite the opposite!
And many of these occupy wallstreet yuppies are examples of what I'm saying!
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Cain said nothing of the sort. The point he was making is that these crackpot liberals are basically lazy sheep, who want to blame everyone else for their lot in life. Cain was a poor black boy in the deep segregated South, born to two poor parents. He ended up CEO of Godfather's Pizza.
He never mentioned "crackpot" or "liberals". He didn't say "if you're a drug user, blame yourself if you're not rich". He didn't say "if you're a liberal, blame yourself if you're not rich". The issue of drug use and political party affiliation are not relevant. Cain said if a person is poor, then they should blame themselves for their position in life. I have provided ample evidence of real people who worked very hard, went to school, did their damnedest to better themselves and they still end up being served with eviction notices, not being able to buy their children food, not being able to pay for dad's cancer treatment so he dies, working 80+ hours a week to pay for cancer treatment (All of these are taken directly from http://wearethe99percent.tumblr.com/)
How you, as a "Christian", can have zero compassion on these people and point the moral blame finger at them and demoralize them and say that they deserve (yes, blaming no one but yourself is in essence telling them they deserve to be poor, this argument has been made by at least 2 different posters in this thread as well, so people DO believe this) their position in life, is appalling.
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He never mentioned "crackpot" or "liberals". He didn't say "if you're a drug user, blame yourself if you're not rich". He didn't say "if you're a liberal, blame yourself if you're not rich". The issue of drug use and political party affiliation are not relevant. Cain said if a person is poor, then they should blame themselves for their position in life. I have provided ample evidence of real people who worked very hard, went to school, did their damnedest to better themselves and they still end up being served with eviction notices, not being able to buy their children food, not being able to pay for dad's cancer treatment so he dies, working 80+ hours a week to pay for cancer treatment (All of these are taken directly from http://wearethe99percent.tumblr.com/)
How you, as a "Christian", can have zero compassion on these people and point the moral blame finger at them and demoralize them and say that they deserve (yes, blaming no one but yourself is in essence telling them they deserve to be poor, this argument has been made by at least 2 different posters in this thread as well, so people DO believe this) their position in life, is appalling.
that's a christian for you.
Jesus not approved.
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it's stupid
it's a pourcentage !
10% of 100k is more than 10% of 10k
so if you tax everybody the same, the rich will end up paying more.
what's wrong with that ?
you guys want to rich to pay half their fucking income ?
I am not even rich I am middle class but it doesn't make sense to me
Ok just to show I am NOT picking on republicans I will use my 2004 example.
Both John Kerry and Dick Chenney paid about same "effective" tax rate of around 12-13% that yr during the 2004 presidential election.*It was public info due to the release of tax records by the canidates ( pres/VP)
The uber wealthy use various tax shelters and investment write offs to pay a really low effective tax rate after deductions.
They then make capitol gains off the same money they shelter from the original tax. They double dip.
The avg working slob doesn't have the $$ to do that kind of thing. He plays by different tax rules, trust me.
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He never said anyone DESERVED to be poor!
But I've met people in my life who are just bitter towards rich people just because of the fact that they are rich. People view ALL big multi-million dollar corporations as these evil things run by evil greedy people, but thats not the case, sure there may be some rotten apples in the bunch, but that doesn't mean ALL OF THEM ARE! That majority of them are quite the opposite!
And many of these occupy wallstreet yuppies are examples of what I'm saying!
Might be a good idea if you started thinking for yourself instead of repeating the theoretical bullshit you read in school
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Might be a good idea if you started thinking for yourself instead of repeating the theoretical bullshit you read in school
Huh?
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He never said anyone DESERVED to be poor!
But I've met people in my life who are just bitter towards rich people just because of the fact that they are rich. People view ALL big multi-million dollar corporations as these evil things run by evil greedy people, but thats not the case, sure there may be some rotten apples in the bunch, but that doesn't mean ALL OF THEM ARE! That majority of them are quite the opposite!
And many of these occupy wallstreet yuppies are examples of what I'm saying!
Yes he did. Thats exactly what he meant.
Saying that the poor don't deserve to be poor and there are real people who did everything "right" by standards of contemporary America and still get shit in return and they need to be recognized, is different than saying "all rich people are evil". This notion of anybody can become rich, and if you don't, only you are to blame, is nothing but horseshit. That is what I'm against. I'm against that position. I am not saying I'm against anybody who has ever made over a million dollars only because they made that much, that is a separate issue.
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Huh?
I'm saying you sound naive
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I'm saying you sound naive
Bro - you don't know anything about me!
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He never said anyone DESERVED to be poor!
But I've met people in my life who are just bitter towards rich people just because of the fact that they are rich. People view ALL big multi-million dollar corporations as these evil things run by evil greedy people, but thats not the case, sure there may be some rotten apples in the bunch, but that doesn't mean ALL OF THEM ARE! That majority of them are quite the opposite!
And many of these occupy wallstreet yuppies are examples of what I'm saying!
One could say that a rotten apple just died today...
As much as he has been criticized for being a miser...
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Yes he did. Thats exactly what he meant.
Saying that the poor don't deserve to be poor and there are real people who did everything "right" by standards of contemporary America and still get shit in return and they need to be recognized, is different than saying "all rich people are evil". This notion of anybody can become rich, and if you don't, only you are to blame, is nothing but horseshit. That is what I'm against. I'm against this position. I am not saying I'm against anybody who has ever made over a million dollars only because they made that much, that is a separate issue.
You realize Herman Cain came from nothing, right? He's proof positive that anyone can make it. He couldn't have had the odds more stacked against him; a dirt-poor black man from the south (his mother was a cleaner and his father a chauffeur) ends up with a bachelor's in mathematics, a master's in computer science, serves in the military as a ballistics expert and then ends up moving to corporate America and turns around multiple companies. He's proof positive that anybody can become rich and successful if they put the RIGHT work in. I didn't know working 80 hours a week meant you should be rich.
His life refutes your entire argument. ::)
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Yes he did. Thats exactly what he meant.
Saying that the poor don't deserve to be poor and there are real people who did everything "right" by standards of contemporary America and still get shit in return and they need to be recognized, is different than saying "all rich people are evil". This notion of anybody can become rich, and if you don't, only you are to blame, is nothing but horseshit. That is what I'm against. I'm against that position. I am not saying I'm against anybody who has ever made over a million dollars only because they made that much, that is a separate issue.
I do not believe that EVERYONE can be rich! BUT I do believe that everyone can better themselves and their situation to a certain extent.
Yes there have been many people who are extremely hardworking who have seen some hard times, but there are also ones that will not apply themselves, sit on their lazy asses yet will still bullshit and complain that they deserve more than what they have.
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If you want to make it you can. You've got to want it, and that's the hardest part.
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You realize Herman Cain came from nothing, right? He's proof positive that anyone can make it. He couldn't have had the odds more stacked against him; a dirt-poor black man from the south ends up with a bachelor's in mathematics, a master's in computer science, serves in the military as a ballistics expert and then ends up moving to corporate America and turns around multiple companies. He's proof positive that anybody can become rich and successful if they put the RIGHT work in. I didn't know working 80 hours a week meant you should be rich.
His life refutes your entire argument. ::)
You know this is a logical fallacy don't you? It's called an error of composition or something like that. If he did it, then that means that he can do it. That does not mean that anyone can do it.
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Bro - you don't know anything about me!
Just what you write, I have no agenda, I just call it like I read it!
Again, you sound naive
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I don't know what the purpose of the protests are but if Cain thinks the meltdown of the credit and RE market is not STILL a HUGE drag on the economy then he's too stupid to be POTUS
Let's not forget that it was the US Taxpayer who bailed out these banks
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I do not believe that EVERYONE can be rich! BUT I do believe that everyone can better themselves and their situation to a certain extent.
Yes there have been many people who are extremely hardworking who have seen some hard times, but there are also ones that will not apply themselves, sit on their lazy asses yet will still bullshit and complain that they deserve more than what they have.
you're saying something different than what Cain said. Cain says that if you meet the condition of being not-wealthy, then you should blame only yourself for not being wealthy. Think about that for a moment. Think about all the things that one would have to put oneself above in order to do that. Above where I'm born, who I'm born to, the education of my parents, the structure of my elementary schools, the quality of my teachers, the state of the economy as a whole, the availability of jobs, genetic predisposition, what jobs are valuable at the time I reach the job market, etc etc. To say that I have ONLY (Keep that word in mind here) myself to blame for my shortcomings, is a huge leap to make. Do you see my objection? For some people, it doesn't matter what they do, they can work their asses of, invest in education, etc etc, and they still will remain poor. So the "if you work hard, then you will be successful" is proved false. Many have worked hard, and have not become successful.
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You realize Herman Cain came from nothing, right? He's proof positive that anyone can make it. He couldn't have had the odds more stacked against him; a dirt-poor black man from the south (his mother was a cleaner and his father a chauffeur) ends up with a bachelor's in mathematics, a master's in computer science, serves in the military as a ballistics expert and then ends up moving to corporate America and turns around multiple companies. He's proof positive that anybody can become rich and successful if they put the RIGHT work in. I didn't know working 80 hours a week meant you should be rich.
His life refutes your entire argument. ::)
I love the 1 in a million story as the example that "anyone" can do it. By definition, if anyone could do it and it was so common, no one would hold it upas some sort of inspirational story for others...
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I love the 1 in a million story as the example that "anyone" can do it. By definition, if anyone could do it and it was so common, no one would hold it upas some sort of inspirational story for others...
If anyone really could do it, nobody would be unhappy would they? Since it's so easy to accomplish whatever one wants. ::)
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You know this is a logical fallacy don't you? It's called an error of composition or something like that. If he did it, then that means that he can do it. That does not mean that anyone can do it.
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Ironic you're whining about that when I've seen you consistently use the same tactic in other threads.
In fact, it can even be argued that you're doing it in this thread.
Really reaching on that rebuttal.
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I love the 1 in a million story as the example that "anyone" can do it. By definition, if anyone could do it and it was so common, no one would hold it upas some sort of inspirational story for others...
You'd rather blame others for your failures while Cain went out and bettered his position in life. Feel free to carry on with your whining.
Whereas Cain beat stage IV cancer, methinks you'd roll over and die.
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Ironic you're whining about that when I've seen you consistently use the same tactic in other threads.
In fact, it can even be argued that you're doing it in this thread.
Really reaching on that rebuttal.
Calling you illogical isn't "really reaching". By the way, maybe it was the fallacy of overgeneralization, either way, it was a logical fallacy.If you want to claim outright that you have no intention on being logical, then feel free to do whatever you want. There are real people who have tried their hardest to better themselves and still come up short. There are several people in society (at least 3 or so in this thread) who say that if someone works hard, then they can be successful. They believe this to an extent that they are ready to point the blame finger at those who do not become successful, after all "all you had to do was work hard and apply yourself". This has damning political consequences. This delusion results in a blind eye to a significant problem
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to a certain extent you don't control your own destiny. You control what is within the limit of your human potential, but not beyond what you're capable of becoming. like I said, all the hard work in the world won't make most people win a nobel prize. Its the way it is. Just accept it.
I didn't say hard work. I said hard + SMART work. And I didn't say a Nobel prize. I said be rich, which is relative. 'Rich" for a construction worker like che is an annual income of 150k. For a man supporting his 2 kids in private school and stay at home wife his idea of "rich" might be an annual income of $1million.
LOl I love the GetBig pity party, I swear no wonder you suckers love Obama so much lol ::)
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The world needs ditch diggers too.
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i ain't voting for him cause he's black. which means he ain't as good as presidenting as a white guy.
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I didn't say hard work. I said hard + SMART work. And I didn't say a Nobel prize. I said be rich, which is relative. 'Rich" for a construction worker like che is an annual income of 150k. For a man supporting his 2 kids in private school and stay at home wife his idea of "rich" might be an annual income of $1million.
LOl I love the GetBig pity party, I swear no wonder you suckers love Obama so much lol ::)
The top 5% always sell the idea that you can be rich like me. This is like a pro athlete or top singer saying anyone can be like me.
No matter how you slice it the top 5% will always be above the rest of us in the lower 95%.
You can't fit most of the population in the upper 5-10%. Basic statistics and logic here.
The odds are MOST of us will live in the mddle class and that is why GOV needs to have laws that are good for the 80% who live in the middle.
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i ain't voting for him cause he's black. which means he ain't as good as presidenting as a white guy.
So you would rather just leave the turd in office?
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So you would rather just leave the turd in office?
he's half black so he's better than the all black guy
the blacker the worse. politically speaking
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I think everyone should pay X% amount of tax so if you do 100k a year, you WILL pay more tax than someone who makes 10k
it's simple logic
someone who makes 100K should not pay 15% while the poor one pay 10% and vice versa.
Tax the same % to everyone and this ends the problem
(those % are fictional, I don't know what you guys pay in the states)
Flat tax will not work due to large disparity in income from the top 1% and the rest of the population....
This would actually be less tax revenue ( adding to deficit)
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he's half black so he's better than the all black guy
the blacker the worse. politically speaking
Maybe we need to try a Taco-American "el presidente?"
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''If you're not rich 'blame yourself''
Most retarded statement I've ever heard.
hahahhaha Cain just screwed himself out of the race :)
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Cain is awesome. He will send that Marxist piece of garbage Obama back to Kenya where he belongs.
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Why do I have this feeling that NO ONE watched the interview. JT....STFU you government sponge.
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Why do I have this feeling that NO ONE watched the interview. JT....STFU you government sponge.
why do I have this feeling that you disappeared from this thread until you felt it was safe to come back ::)
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"We have to pass this bill to see what's in it"
Single-most retarded political statement made in the last decade. Courtesy of Obama's botoxed fluffer.
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I don't know what the purpose of the protests are but if Cain thinks the meltdown of the credit and RE market is not STILL a HUGE drag on the economy then he's too stupid to be POTUS
Let's not forget that it was the US Taxpayer who bailed out these banks
LMAO. Cain headed the Federal Reserve in KC but straw mam knows more than him.
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"We have to pass this bill to see what's in it"
Single-most retarded political statement made in the last decade. Courtesy of Obama's botoxed fluffer.
LMFAO!!!!!! ;D.
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Sorry dude, I'm working right now. If you want me to he's right....its because he is. Another thing, you clowns always seem to play the "Christian" card and throw it up when its convieniant. The ONLY thing I disagreed with him on is when he said its their fault because their not rich. I however do blame them for making excuses rely on the government and not fend for themselves. "Rich" has a different meaning for different people. "Rich" doesn't mean having mansions, exotic cars, boats, etc. So before you start crying about what he said
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'Rich" for a construction worker like che is an annual income of 150k.
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Sorry dude, I'm working right now. If you want me to he's right....its because he is. Another thing, you clowns always seem to play the "Christian" card and throw it up when its convieniant. The ONLY thing I disagreed with him on is when he said its their fault because their not rich. I however do blame them for making excuses rely on the government and not fend for themselves. "Rich" has a different meaning for different people. "Rich" doesn't mean having mansions, exotic cars, boats, etc. So before you start crying about what he said
Why aren't you rich Coach?
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You can gauge a person's maturity when they define rich as a number on a tax return.
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I'm working on it...but I'm very comfortable and never had to rely on the government for ANYTHING.
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I'm working on it...but I'm very comfortable and never had to rely on the government for ANYTHING.
except when you hit the road after leaving your driveway in the mourning :)
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You'd rather blame others for your failures while Cain went out and bettered his position in life. Feel free to carry on with your whining.
Whereas Cain beat stage IV cancer, methinks you'd roll over and die.
What the fuck are you even talking about ::)
I'm so sick of politics on this fucking site your like a bunch of women. You guys don't even talk about the issues in a meaningful way, you just try to get into guessing games on how the other party feels.
The right wing shit in america is such a fucking joke. Again I am right wing in theory, but the reality is America is in a fucking mess. People like cain are so full of shit. There's no valid reason for them to exist, there just a plague on society as the nobels were in europe.
Nothing has changed your odds of becoming a king in 1500 was much higher than becoming a billionaire today (FACT) deal with it.
These guys don't pay no where near enough taxes, to rationalize their wealth in some pseudo theory of economics is complete beta thinking. They have amazing amount of power, that you keyboard warriors couldn't even dream of.
The rich in this economy function as a monopoly, which is beyond fucked. I don't even give a shit about the rich nor do I care if a guy making 250k a year pay taxes.
However I do care if the mechanisms of the free market are working, and they aren't. People claiming to be champions of free markets while pumping billions of dollars into the military are the worst kind of bullshiters.
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Next to benny you have to be one of the mother fuckers on here. How about you get your lazy ass out of the basement of your parents house and get a job as a paperbo....girl or something?
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Sorry, I can't quote on here. I meant repping20. Sorry dude.
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Free market?
The Chinese openly depress the value of their currency to cause a trade imbalance that acts in their favor and brings the U.S. economy to a halt...and the nutless pretender in the oval office is too fucking scared to do anything about it. Now he owes so much debt to China and the middle east he's a fiscal lame duck. He can't lead, isn't smart enough to create, and is too egotistical to get out of the fucking way. In 4 years the Obama Administration will single-handedly collapse the middle-class in America.
So all you government dependent Libs with your bullshit "arts" degrees beware - I'll be fucking your wife or daughter so she can earn gas money.
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Free market?
The Chinese openly depress the value of their currency to cause a trade imbalance that acts in their favor and brings the U.S. economy to a halt...and the nutless pretender in the oval office is too fucking scared to do anything about it. Now he owes so much debt to China and the middle east he's a fiscal lame duck. He can't lead, isn't smart enough to create, and is too egotistical to get out of the fucking way. In 4 years the Obama Administration will single-handedly collapse the middle-class in America.
So all you government dependent Libs with your bullshit "arts" degrees beware - I'll be fucking your wife or daughter so she can earn gas money.
Guess who is the biggest opponent of not passing a bill to penalize china? Boehner
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In quebec, poor pay something like 15% and you pay 25% when you make 75k per year or more
it pisses me off.
the guy who makes more WILL PAY MORE since the % of his income will be higher !
what is it like in the USA ?
do you guys have a chart somewhere ?
its starts low and once you are making 5 mil or more you pay 29+%. a lot of people make little so they pay little but end up getting more back than they paid. basically they are not paying taxes like this.
the fucking rich pay more than their "fair share".
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I'm not anti-capitalism but I am anti-wallstreet, anti big banks and anti-big corps...why? Because it's the banks, wallstreet and corps that run and manipulate the system for their well being.
What Cain said was correct...With the endless opportunities in this great country. You have no one to blame but yourself, if you're not rich...That goes for EVERYONE.
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The world needs ditch diggers too.
Ha.
Is that from Caddyshack?
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People generally make what they deserve.
That would be true except that everyone in life doesn't get a running start. Some people get a silver spoon others get no spoons at all, and then some folks never even get a chance to eat. The idea that if you're not rich, then you are to blame is ridiculous.
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That would be true except that everyone in life doesn't get a running start. Some people get a silver spoon others get no spoons at all, and then some folks never even get a chance to eat. The idea that if you're not rich, then you are to blame is ridiculous.
Dude, very little get a silverspoon...This question is not directed just to you but everyone else here that believes the same. Who is to blame if you aren't rich?...Hell it doesnt even have to be rich, just well off...Lets say 500k annually gross.
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Dude, very little get a silverspoon...This question is not directed just to you but everyone else here that believes the same. Who is to blame if you aren't rich?...Hell it doesnt even have to be rich, just well off...Lets say 500k annually gross.
And how much do you make a year?
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And how much do you make a year?
im unemployed...but nice try...what is your point?
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Dude, very little get a silverspoon...This question is not directed just to you but everyone else here that believes the same. Who is to blame if you aren't rich?...Hell it doesnt even have to be rich, just well off...Lets say 500k annually gross.
Wiggs, you really think 500K is just well off? ::) A good neurosurgeons makes 500K a year. That is more than just being "well off" I mean the average american makes about 50k. :-\ :-\
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Dude, very little get a silverspoon...This question is not directed just to you but everyone else here that believes the same. Who is to blame if you aren't rich?...Hell it doesnt even have to be rich, just well off...Lets say 500k annually gross.
True, but for Herman Cain to make a statement like that is simply insensitive and a clear example of someone who is out of touch with society. Some people are born so far down in the hole that they never have a chance to climb out.
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Wiggs, you really think 500K is just well off? ::) A good neurosurgeons makes 500K a year. That is more than just being "well off"
That is not rich man...Yes, I think it's just well off. To me, rich is 1,000,000 annually net.
Since there is no official definition rich it can't really be defined. To me, 500k gross is not rich but well off...
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True, but for Herman Cain to make a statement like that is simply insensitive and a clear example of someone who is out of touch with society. Some people are born so far down in the hole that they never have a chance to climb out.
I can agree with that. Not very presidential.
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Bullshit Vince, I went from practically nothing as a single father with no monetary help from anyone especially from the government. I'm only one person, there are millions more just like me. So don't give me that BS.
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That is not rich man...Yes, I think it's just well off. To me, rich is 1,000,000 annually net.
Since there is no official definition rich it can't really be defined. To me, 500k gross is not rich but well off...
Wiggs, if you're a good neurosurgeon in a manhattan hospital and you've been working for 10+ years, you will probably have well over a million dollars. So that really is a poor example, since a lot of people who make 500K a year probably wind up becoming millionaires.
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That is not rich man...Yes, I think it's just well off. To me, rich is 1,000,000 annually net.
Since there is no official definition rich it can't really be defined. To me, 500k gross is not rich but well off...
My point is that 500k is VERY well off..... And for someone to demean some people who work very hard and make 50k is not cool
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My point is that 500k is VERY well off..... And for someone to demean some people who work very hard and make 50k is not cool
Agreed.
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Bullshit Vince, I went from practically nothing as a single father with no monetary help from anyone especially from the government. I'm only one person, there are millions more just like me. So don't give me that BS.
Well, try this on for size.
Unless you grew up in the ghetto, had 60k dollars in debt when you were 2 years old because your family used your social security number to run up credit cards to where you can't get a college loan much less anything else despite the grades and the high SAT score.
I wish I started out with absolutely nothing because the number 0 is still higher than -60,000 dollars. Now I'm done ok for myself despite the setbacks but understand one thing, Joe....you never know what situation or problems a person has so you simply can't make a broad statement that "its your fault that you're not rich". Lots of people get the shaft in life through no fault of their own.
Now, I know that everyone in life isn't suppose to be rich or middle class but being poor doesn't mean that you did something wrong in life.
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It doesn't have be like that forever, when I was going back and forth to court fighting for custody of my son, at the end the attorney bill was over $100k. It took me 5 years to pay it off all while working on my business. Everyone has unique circumstances but that doesn't mean they can't make something of themselves and pull their asses out of a tough situation and succeed. My ex-wife is just like the people I discribe, she chooses how she wants to live...at 45, she's on UE and doesn't want to hold a job and like many I discribe, thinks she's "owed" something and doesn't think she should pay child support...so she just doesn't work. She has a BA in human resourses and the potential to make over $100k, but she's LAZY and again, feels she shouldn't have to do anything because "that's what the government is for" I've given her plenty of suggestions to start her own business creating resumes for people...she's great at that but its one excuse after another.....again, LAZY!
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these protesters should consider themselves lucky to be allowed to protest
(http://photos.thefirstpost.co.uk/assets/library/090526nipTiananmen--124300615007963100.jpg)
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I don't know what the purpose of the protests are but if Cain thinks the meltdown of the credit and RE market is not STILL a HUGE drag on the economy then he's too stupid to be POTUS
Let's not forget that it was the US Taxpayer who bailed out these banks
THIS......and don't forget lots of educated, successful people got FUCKED by this, and are financially ruined.
this country is still in the shitter because of 2008, and might never get out
What an arrogant guy...for real. typical "i got mine, so fuck you" attitude....I truly hope someone puts a bullet in his dirty guy skull
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Bullshit Vince, I went from practically nothing as a single father with no monetary help from anyone especially from the government. I'm only one person, there are millions more just like me. So don't give me that BS.
Even IF I allow that YOU did it, or even if i allow the false claim that "millions of people can do it" does NOT mean that ANYONE can do it.
Think for a moment about what you're saying. You are not a self-made man coach, I'm sorry if that hurts your ego. Let's consider for a moment what a self-made man really has to be. IQ has shown to be relatively set in stone by the age of 5. This is caused largely by the amounts of time you were read to in between birth and 5 years old. The professor's child gets read to 30,000 hours between birth and 5 years old on average, and is intellectually ahead of his or her peers. The low income child gets read to 1,000 hours between birth and 5 years old on average. That child is several years behind his or her peers. The starting point is already uneven by age 5 (before they even get into kindergarten), and neither child (the rich nor the poor one) can really be said to be fully responsible for this outcome because they did not CHOOSE how many hours to be read to. If you admit that IQ plays a large part, on average, about how successful/unsuccessful a person is in terms of job opportunities, and you also want to claim that the person has ONLY himself/herself to blame, then you have to make the claim that only the child, not the parents, not the babysitter, etc, were responsible for how many hours he was read to between birth and 5 years old. Think how crazy that is And that is just one example of how a person is not self-made. Keep in mind this is all before the age of 5.
I come from one of the largest poverty stricken counties in the country. I come from a failing elementary school on the verge of being shut down. I got into a good university for free on a duel degree program with honors. Am I a self made man? Did I pull myself up by the bootstraps out of the swamps of nothingness? No I did not. I owe a huge debt to my parents, teachers, the school system, where I was born, genetic predisposition allowing me to comprehend certain subjects better than others and allowing me to study for 12 hours a day and actually enjoy it, etc. I did not cause those things in my life. The only way I could have caused those things in myself is if I could have caused myself (causa sui), but to do that I would have to exist before I existed, and that's a paradox
There are no self-made men Coach, not Herman Cain, not you, and sure as hell not me.
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what? ??? For your argument to work, you would have to prove that the poor dont take risks or work hard. The link I provided in my post above showed exactly the opposite. There are a lot of poor people that work very hard, took huge risks (taking out loans as an investment on their education) to try to better themselves, and they end up with eviction notices, no employment, dad cant pay for his cancer treatment, etc etc. All you said was that the poor make bad decisions. If you think they take risks but these risks just don't turn out, and for the rich the risks do turn out good, then you have to admit the outcome is arbitrary to the effort, and surely you cant believe we should have economic rewards for people who just happen to have good "luck" ???
Here it is again so you won't have to scroll http://wearethe99percent.tumblr.com/
Hard work makes luck. and I'm not saying all poor people make bad decisions, but like I said, 9 times out of 10. You can always cherry pick the few examples of hard workers who had something bad happen(i.e. got in a car wreck and hurt themselves and didn't have health insurance), but most of the time, it's becasue they made a bad decision. Just go to a walmart and look at the cars in the lot, or the disgusting people with their multiple kids. They are poor becasue they made poor decisions(i.e. drugs, risky sex etc.). I have a guy that works for me, who drinks, smokes, smokes weed and always complains of being broke. He has no car, rents a room at a place, and complains of being broke. I can't stand people who can't help themselves. I took risk in opening my business. I was out there working 100 hour weeks. I saved and then spent money on equipment. And I tell you what, once I got this thing rolling, it was a lot easier to make more money. I am not attacking your arguement, I think there is validity in it, but you have to see it from the big picture. Also, I am not from the school of thought who thinks blacks are lazier than whites, or any of that non sense, shitty people are shitty people.
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Happy to hear you hire dummies!!!
Dude come on, how presumptuous on your part declaring that you are smarter than them.
Rich are fortunate first and foremost. Have you taken advantage of your breaks in life better than others? Probably. But to declare ur self smarter than your employees and assume that all poor people are lazy and make bad decisions is presumptuous and pompous on your part
I wouldn't call it presumptuos and pompous. One of my employees had no high school degree, and I paid for him to get his GED. He had no formal education, and he isn't as smart as I am. You wouldn't call not finishing high school a poor decision and lazy? I didn't have parental guidance through my high school years, but you know what? I finished, went on to college, paid my way through while working, and came out a better person. It's not taking advantage of "my breaks", it's just being a productive person, and it got me where I am today. Some people have no drive to be any better, and until you see it first hand, you are ignorant to that fact.
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hahaha HEY !
Compare our taxe rate and stop whinning ;D
Our "rich people" pay way more than your and we still have the shittiest health care ever and road infrastructures blows too
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That would be true except that everyone in life doesn't get a running start. Some people get a silver spoon others get no spoons at all, and then some folks never even get a chance to eat. The idea that if you're not rich, then you are to blame is ridiculous.
Neither you nor any other black man, born in the last 20-30 years or so, are in any worse shape (society-wise) than Herman Cain was when he was growing up. How does a young black boy in the segregated South, experiencing racism the likes of which you or I have never (nor ever will, thank God) endure, end up being the CEO of a multi-million dollar company?
Hard work, determination, and perserverance!!
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True, but for Herman Cain to make a statement like that is simply insensitive and a clear example of someone who is out of touch with society. Some people are born so far down in the hole that they never have a chance to climb out.
Name someone within the last 30 years, born in any worse shape than Cain was!
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He never mentioned "crackpot" or "liberals". He didn't say "if you're a drug user, blame yourself if you're not rich". He didn't say "if you're a liberal, blame yourself if you're not rich". The issue of drug use and political party affiliation are not relevant. Cain said if a person is poor, then they should blame themselves for their position in life. I have provided ample evidence of real people who worked very hard, went to school, did their damnedest to better themselves and they still end up being served with eviction notices, not being able to buy their children food, not being able to pay for dad's cancer treatment so he dies, working 80+ hours a week to pay for cancer treatment (All of these are taken directly from http://wearethe99percent.tumblr.com/)
How you, as a "Christian", can have zero compassion on these people and point the moral blame finger at them and demoralize them and say that they deserve (yes, blaming no one but yourself is in essence telling them they deserve to be poor, this argument has been made by at least 2 different posters in this thread as well, so people DO believe this) their position in life, is appalling.
Who said I have zero compassion for people who are downtrodden? I've helped people who have had bad things happen to them (try helping a family whose house burned down and lost one of their parents).
The point, which you clearly missed, is that Cain's criticism was aimed squarely, not at people who are down on their luck or hit hard times, but at those mangy, whiny, unbathed neo-hippies with an entitlement complex, who think people should subsidize their laziness.
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Everyone can't be rich.
The world needs ditch diggers too...
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The thing is, you generally don't become wealthy because you're highly educated and you've earned a degree.
I have several cousins that are highly educated and don't have a lick of common sense or business sense.
You become wealthy because you're a person that knows how to, and has a passion for making money.
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Neither you nor any other black man, born in the last 20-30 years or so, are in any worse shape (society-wise) than Herman Cain was when he was growing up. How does a young black boy in the segregated South, experiencing racism the likes of which you or I have never (nor ever will, thank God) endure, end up being the CEO of a multi-million dollar company?
Hard work, determination, and perserverance!!
He had a mom and dad....... I just had a mom and no dad.
His parents had decent jobs....my mom worked for minimum wage frying chicken at Bojangles
He grew up in the Segregated South...... I grew up in the STILL Segregated South and the height of the Crack Cocaine Epidemic
He experienced lots of racism....I experienced lots of racism, got shot at and had to avoid drug dealers and gang violence.
He lived in a decent house....... I lived in a roach and rat infested ghetto.
His parents helped pay his way into Morehouse College.....I had to unload trucks at Fed-EX overnight to pay for school
Personally, I would have killed to have had Herman Cain's childhood. He had parents, grew up in a middle class home, never had to face gangs and drug dealers and never had any "real struggles". So he had to drink out of a separate water fountain...big fucking deal. There isn't any water fountains in the ghetto..much less clean water. Herman Cain wasn't born into wealth but he certainly wasn't born into poverty.
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He had a mom and dad....... I just had a mom and no dad.
His parents had decent jobs....my mom worked for minimum wage frying chicken at Bojangles
He grew up in the Segregated South...... I grew up in the STILL Segregated South.
He experienced lots of racism....I experienced lots of racism, got shot at and had to avoid drug dealers and gang violence.
He lived in a decent house....... I lived in a roach and rat infested ghetto.
His parents helped pay his way into Morehouse College.....I had to unload trucks at Fed-EX overnight to pay for school
Personally, I would have killed to have had Herman Cain's childhood. He had parents, grew up in a middle class home, never had to face gangs and drug dealers and never had any "real struggles". Herman Cain wasn't born into wealth but he certainly wasn't born into poverty.
Good for you! Whose MCWAY to try and judge who had it rougher. He's a typical christian extremist.
Doesn't the bible say something about judging people, and bearing false witness?
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Good for you! Whose MCWAY to try and judge who had it rougher. He's a typical christian extremist.
Doesn't the bible say something about judging people, and bearing false witness?
Try that again!! Vince is making all these excuses about people being dealt a bad hand in life, not being able to make it. What I said was that I doubt you'll find any black man, born in the last 20-30 years, who's had it worse than Cain did back in the days of the segregated South.
Dirt poor, black, with hardcore in-your-face racism being part of his life. Yet, Cain is a mega-success.
Vince is trying to convince himself (and others here) that Cain has a relatively cushy life, which is why he succeeded, while he had it so hard. GIVE ME A BREAK!!!
He had a mom and dad....... I just had a mom and no dad.
His parents had decent jobs....my mom worked for minimum wage frying chicken at Bojangles
He grew up in the Segregated South...... I grew up in the STILL Segregated South and the height of the Crack Cocaine Epidemic
He experienced lots of racism....I experienced lots of racism, got shot at and had to avoid drug dealers and gang violence.
He lived in a decent house....... I lived in a roach and rat infested ghetto.
His parents helped pay his way into Morehouse College.....I had to unload trucks at Fed-EX overnight to pay for school
Personally, I would have killed to have had Herman Cain's childhood. He had parents, grew up in a middle class home, never had to face gangs and drug dealers and never had any "real struggles". So he had to drink out of a separate water fountain...big fucking deal. There isn't any water fountains in the ghetto..much less clean water. Herman Cain wasn't born into wealth but he certainly wasn't born into poverty.
You're younger than I am, born in the late 70s. When did you drink out of "colored" water fountains? When were you forced to sit in the back of a bus or give up your seat to a white guy?
When did you have to go to the back of a restaurant to get food?
Cain's family, middle-class? PLEASE!!!
I've lived in the 'hood, raised by a single mom. My mother worked at fast-food places, as well, often as a second job (especially when my stepdad went to jail).
She ended up driving a semi-tractor trailor to put me through private school. She lost that job, my senior year of high school.
She was afraid she wouldn't be able to send me to college after that. But, I ended up getting a full-ride to FAMU.
Even with all that, I had it better growing up than Cain did, in terms of opportunities.
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Try that again!! Vince is making all these excuses about people being dealt a bad hand in life, not being able to make it. What I said was that I doubt you'll find any black man, born in the last 20-30 years, who's had it worse than Cain did back in the days of the segregated South.
Sorry fella, maybe you're right! :-[
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Try that again!! Vince is making all these excuses about people being dealt a bad hand in life, not being able to make it. What I said was that I doubt you'll find any black man, born in the last 20-30 years, who's had it worse than Cain did back in the days of the segregated South.
Dirt poor, black, with hardcore in-your-face racism being part of his life. Yet, Cain is a mega-success.
Vince is trying to convince himself (and others here) that Cain has a relatively cushy life, which is why he succeeded, while he had it so hard. GIVE ME A BREAK!!!
You're younger than I am, born in the late 70s. When did you drink out of "colored" water fountains? When were you forced to sit in the back of a bus or give up your seat to a white guy?
When did you have to go to the back of a restaurant to get food?
Cain's family, middle-class? PLEASE!!!
I've lived in the 'hood, raised by a single mom. My mother worked at fast-food places, as well, often as a second job (especially when my stepdad went to jail).
She ended up driving a semi-tractor trailor to put me through private school. She lost that job, my senior year of high school.
She was afraid she wouldn't be able to send me to college after that. But, I ended up getting a full-ride to FAMU.
Even with all that, I had it better growing up than Cain did, in terms of opportunities.
Herman Cain didn't have a hard life as he claimed. He drunk out of a separate water fountain..big fucking deal..... ::) He's complaining about that shit while my ass was dodging bullets and trying to stay alive like the Bee Gee's. When the Crack Epidemic hit in the 80's, the hood went literally bananas. Drug dealers was trying to push shit on me everyday, gang violence was tearing up the place, and the police harassed any black man that was walking out in the street. Just about every week, I would have to kiss the street because the police stopped and patted down everyone for drugs and having a gun to the back of my head. A couple of times, I got kicked while on the ground when I complained about it. Then I'd be hoisted back up to my feet and told to be a good little n i g g a and say no to drugs.... ::)
Herman Cain don't know shit about the hood. He's up there complaining about segregation and having to sit in the back of the bus....fuck that shit. He needs to realize that there are a lot more things worse to complain about than someone naming some property...NIGGERHEAD or having to eat in a seperate restaurant. That's why he'll never get elected...he's out of touch with the real people and he needs to thank God for at least having a half decent life
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But Obama does?
LMFAO!!!!!
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I think everyone should pay X% amount of tax so if you do 100k a year, you WILL pay more tax than someone who makes 10k
it's simple logic
someone who makes 100K should not pay 15% while the poor one pay 10% and vice versa.
Tax the same % to everyone and this ends the problem
(those % are fictional, I don't know what you guys pay in the states)
ding ding ding...i like the idea of cutting our current tax system and replacing it with a flat tax on all things purchased...that
way everyone pays taxes equally...then the people that take advantage of welfare will know how it feels to pay taxes
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But Obama does?
LMFAO!!!!!
Obama grew up in a nice home too...but he isn't trying to act like Herman Cain is. And he wonders why he's called an Uncle Tom. Herman Cain needs to realize that not everyone who is poor is lazy.
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Obama grew up in a nice home too...but he isn't trying to act like Herman Cain is. And he wonders why he's called an Uncle Tom. Herman Cain needs to realize that not everyone who is poor is lazy.
Herman Cain is telling the lazy whiners and poverty pimps to STFU and get to work.
No wonder most leftists dont want to hear it.
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Herman Cain is telling the lazy whiners and poverty pimps to STFU and get to work.
No wonder most leftists dont want to hear it.
he's not telling lazy's to work
he's telling nonrich that it's THEIR fault they are in the economic position they are in
Note the difference.
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he's not telling lazy's to work
he's telling nonrich that it's THEIR fault they are in the economic position they are in
Note the difference.
Not everyone is complaining they are not rich.
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Ha.
Is that from Caddyshack?
You know it brotha.....that Judge should run for president. ;D
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Not everyone is complaining they are not rich.
He didn't say "if you're poor, and if you're complaining, then blame yourself"
He said: " if you don't have a job and you're not rich, blame yourself" (Please keep this exact phrase in mind, no adding to and no subtracting from to try to put your own spin on it to make it more appealing)
Think about what that means. A lot of the people in that link I posted do not have a job, a lot of people in that link I posted are not rich, but do you honestly 100% agree that they should blame ONLY theirself? By definition of what he said, that includes if a child is poor (He meets the conditions of A) Not having a job and B) Not being rich, then the should blame only himself). I think many in this thread (Coach, Big Ach, etc) disagree with Cain on this point. Let's assume that Cain didn't fuck up speaking and that he really meant what he said. Do you honestly agree that ANYONE who meets the condition of A) Not having a job and B) Not being rich, should blame ONLY theirself for not having a job, and not being rich?
Reply by saying either 1) Cain messed up speaking, what he should have said was "If you're here protesting, if you're lazy, if you don't have a job, etc etc then blame yourself OR reply by saying 2) Cain is correct in his statement.
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Cain is exactly right - the problem is that people who are not working typically do so out of choice.
I never see whites or blacks at day labor sites looking to clean toilets or mop floors, etc.
If someone wants to work, there is always a job somewhere not being filled, maybe not what they want, but there is always something somewhere to do.
These OWS commie dirtbags are wortheless leeches looking for a handout and little else.
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Herman Cain didn't have a hard life as he claimed. He drunk out of a separate water fountain..big fucking deal..... ::) He's complaining about that shit while my ass was dodging bullets and trying to stay alive like the Bee Gee's. When the Crack Epidemic hit in the 80's, the hood went literally bananas. Drug dealers was trying to push shit on me everyday, gang violence was tearing up the place, and the police harassed any black man that was walking out in the street. Just about every week, I would have to kiss the street because the police stopped and patted down everyone for drugs and having a gun to the back of my head. A couple of times, I got kicked while on the ground when I complained about it. Then I'd be hoisted back up to my feet and told to be a good little n i g g a and say no to drugs.... ::)
Herman Cain don't know shit about the hood. He's up there complaining about segregation and having to sit in the back of the bus....fuck that shit. He needs to realize that there are a lot more things worse to complain about than someone naming some property...NIGGERHEAD or having to eat in a seperate restaurant. That's why he'll never get elected...he's out of touch with the real people and he needs to thank God for at least having a half decent life
HELLO!!! I lived in the hood, too. And since I'm older than you are, I'm perfectly aware of the epidemic of crack cocaine in the 80s. I had friends and relatives strung out on that crap (including my stepfather). I know what it's like to have to sit on the floor in your living room, because you don't want stray bullets to pick you off, while you're watching TV. The park less than 5 blocks from my old apartment was NOTORIOUS for dope-slinging. And going a week without sirens heading in that direction was a miracle.
Yet, the police never harassed me. In fact, the only time I've ever got stopped walking the streets by white cops is when I was a teenager. They thought I was skipping school, but I was heading to church for a field trip that my youth group was having. That church ran the private school I attended, which ended for summer 3 weeks earlier than the public schools did.
In no way, shape, or fashion would I say I had a worse life than Herman Cain did. At least I could go to a private school (yes, with mostly white kids in a mostly white neighborhood). I had my CHOICE of colleges to attend when I graduated high school. I choose an HBCU; I wasn't forced to go to one.
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HELLO!!! I lived in the hood, too. And since I'm older than you are, I'm perfectly aware of the epidemic of crack cocaine in the 80s. I had friends and relatives strung out on that crap (including my stepfather). I know what it's like to have to sit on the floor in your living room, because you don't want stray bullets to pick you off, while you're watching TV. The park less than 5 blocks from my old apartment was NOTORIOUS for dope-slinging. And going a week without sirens heading in that direction was a miracle.
Yet, the police never harassed me. In fact, the only time I've ever got stopped walking the streets by white cops is when I was a teenager. They thought I was skipping school, but I was heading to church for a field trip that my youth group was having. That church ran the private school I attended, which ended for summer 3 weeks earlier than the public schools did.
In no way, shape, or fashion would I say I had a worse life than Herman Cain did. At least I could go to a private school (yes, with mostly white kids in a mostly white neighborhood). I had my CHOICE of colleges to attend when I graduated high school. I choose an HBCU; I wasn't forced to go to one.
The thing is that Herman Cain is the one trying to be elected to the office of President and simply put, you cannot say stuff like that to people. Folks are unemployed, been laid off, and trying to get work and to them, its insulting to hear something like that...period.
In addition, he should not have taken the bait and discuss Rick Perry's "N-Head Lodge". It would have been better to let the media crucify him than intervene like that.
Herman Cain will not become the next president.
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Yeah Vince - lets all sing kumbaya instead and just stand around and blame everyone in sight like Maobama.
That makes a lot of fucking sense.
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He didn't say "if you're poor, and if you're complaining, then blame yourself"
He said: " if you don't have a job and you're not rich, blame yourself" (Please keep this exact phrase in mind, no adding to and no subtracting from to try to put your own spin on it to make it more appealing)
Think about what that means. A lot of the people in that link I posted do not have a job, a lot of people in that link I posted are not rich, but do you honestly 100% agree that they should blame ONLY theirself? By definition of what he said, that includes if a child is poor (He meets the conditions of A) Not having a job and B) Not being rich, then the should blame only himself). I think many in this thread (Coach, Big Ach, etc) disagree with Cain on this point. Let's assume that Cain didn't fuck up speaking and that he really meant what he said. Do you honestly agree that ANYONE who meets the condition of A) Not having a job and B) Not being rich, should blame ONLY theirself for not having a job, and not being rich?
Reply by saying either 1) Cain messed up speaking, what he should have said was "If you're here protesting, if you're lazy, if you don't have a job, etc etc then blame yourself OR reply by saying 2) Cain is correct in his statement.
Those people in your link are idiots for the most part, not that I believe half of what they're dating. If you had to take a guess what do you think most of those people majored in? Engineering? Computer science?
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Rich folks do NOT get rich by paying their share of taxes. They hire tax attorneys and they create failing businesses (write-offs) ~ to all outward appearances they pay what they owe, but the reality is that the middle and lower class (while we still have them) pay all the taxes.
Taxing more from a rich man is just going to force him to pay less in the long haul.
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The thing is that Herman Cain is the one trying to be elected to the office of President and simply put, you cannot say stuff like that to people. Folks are unemployed, been laid off, and trying to get work and to them, its insulting to hear something like that...period.
In addition, he should not have taken the bait and discuss Rick Perry's "N-Head Lodge". It would have been better to let the media crucify him than intervene like that.
Herman Cain will not become the next president.
The people to whom he made that statement aren't voting for Cain anyway. That was a direct shot at these "Occupy Wall Street" bunch.
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BBBOOOOOOMMMMM
WHO THE FUCK IN THEIR RIGHT MIND WOULD VOTE FOR THIS AGAIN?
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This is going to be a lot worse than getting a blowjob from a fat chick while in office.....
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_162-20115038-10391695.html (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_162-20115038-10391695.html)
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Cain is exactly right - the problem is that people who are not working typically do so out of choice.
I never see whites or blacks at day labor sites looking to clean toilets or mop floors, etc.
If someone wants to work, there is always a job somewhere not being filled, maybe not what they want, but there is always something somewhere to do.
These OWS commie dirtbags are wortheless leeches looking for a handout and little else.
Because whites and blacks would want fair pay, and insurance/healthcare, sick leave (paid), paid vacation time...oh and fair pay...
Cleaning companies would rather hire people that don't know shit and take anythig given to them, because, they maybe here illegally, or living 8 to an apt, or have no SS #'s. And when ICE cracks down or the fake SS#'s don't check out, they fire them and get some more. It's a revolving door.
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Because whites and blacks would want fair pay, and insurance/healthcare, sick leave (paid), paid vacation time...oh and fair pay...
Cleaning companies would rather hire people that don't know shit and take anythig given to them, because, they maybe here illegally, or living 8 to an apt, or have no SS #'s. And when ICE cracks down or the fake SS#'s don't check out, they fire them and get some more. It's a revolving door.
Many jobs do not produce or generate sufficient revenue to the company to afford paying the person all that stuff.
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The people to whom he made that statement aren't voting for Cain anyway. That was a direct shot at these "Occupy Wall Street" bunch.
And these people don't deserve to protest?? Are they not Americans??? Wasn't our country founded on the Constitution and the First Amendment??? Are they any different than the Tea Party Protesters???
Like it or not, they are not there on Wall Street just for shits and giggles.
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And these people don't deserve to protest?? Are they not Americans??? Wasn't our country founded on the Constitution and the First Amendment??? Are they any different than the Tea Party Protesters???
Like it or not, they are not there on Wall Street just for shits and giggles.
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Holder has a funny looking face. He looks like a Sesame Street Muppet.
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Because whites and blacks would want fair pay, and insurance/healthcare, sick leave (paid), paid vacation time...oh and fair pay...
Cleaning companies would rather hire people that don't know shit and take anythig given to them, because, they maybe here illegally, or living 8 to an apt, or have no SS #'s. And when ICE cracks down or the fake SS#'s don't check out, they fire them and get some more. It's a revolving door.
Yep, why pay workers minimum wage when they can pay an illegal 4-5 bucks an hour....and they won't complain about it because they don't want to end up getting deported. That's why companies hire illegals for....so they can circumvent proper pay, health benefits, and get cheap labor. That's why companies ship jobs overseas...because they can circumvent pay, health benefits, etc. That's why jobs are outsourced for and that's why the number of "independent contractors" has risen.
Illegals don't get jobs because they work harder...its because they are willing to work for less than minimum wage and not complain about it.
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What's your point in showing these pictures??? Tea Party isn't exactly all there.
(http://www.fistofblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/slide_2673_37538_large.jpg)
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(http://snotrockets.net/images/racist12.jpg)
(http://snotrockets.net/images/racist13.jpg)
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And these people don't deserve to protest?? Are they not Americans??? Wasn't our country founded on the Constitution and the First Amendment??? Are they any different than the Tea Party Protesters???
Like it or not, they are not there on Wall Street just for shits and giggles.
Who said they didn't deserve to protest (notwithstanding that half of them don't even know what they're protesting)?
Are they different than the Tea Party? YEP!! They're destroying property and keeping people from going to work.
Virtually nobody from the Tea Party has been arrested by the cops. In fact, covering a Tea Party rally is light duty for the police. Some have stated how friendly the Tea Party folks were to them, thanking them for their service, and even baking them cookies.
And I guarantee that these knuckleheads will leave those streets a wretched mess, unlike the Tea Party that knows how to clean up behind themselves (and how to clean their behinds as well).
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Who said they didn't deserve to protest (notwithstanding that half of them don't even know what they're protesting)?
Are they different than the Tea Party? YEP!! They're destroying property and keeping people from going to work.
Virtually nobody from the Tea Party has been arrested by the cops. In fact, covering a Tea Party rally is light duty for the police. Some have stated how friendly the Tea Party folks were to them, thanking them for their service, and even baking them cookies.
And I guarantee that these knuckleheads will leave those streets a wretched mess, unlike the Tea Party that knows how to clean up behind themselves (and how to clean their behinds as well).
Oh yes, plenty of Tea Party members have been arrested for disorderly conduct...lets not forget the Tea Party member who shot up Gifford and all those people in Arizona but that doesn't make any difference. This isn't fucking China, people have a right to protest and they are not blocking anyone on Wall Street from going to work or destroying property.... ::)
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Oh yes, plenty of Tea Party members have been arrested for disorderly conduct...lets not forget the Tea Party member who shot up Gifford and all those people in Arizona but that doesn't make any difference. This isn't fucking China, people have a right to protest and they are not blocking anyone on Wall Street from going to work or destroying property.... ::)
WTF are you talking about?
The guy who shot giffords was a marxist!
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Holder has a funny looking face. He looks like a Sesame Street Muppet.
Well, they are all puppets of some sort.
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WTF are you talking about?
The guy who shot giffords was a marxist!
He was hard core Tea Party...period....hell if you put a wig on him he looks like Sarah Palin
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He was hard core Tea Party...period....hell if you put a wig on him he looks like Sarah Palin
WTF are you talking about? Dude - you are really so fucked in the head its not even funny.
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Oh yes, plenty of Tea Party members have been arrested for disorderly conduct...lets not forget the Tea Party member who shot up Gifford and all those people in Arizona but that doesn't make any difference. This isn't fucking China, people have a right to protest and they are not blocking anyone on Wall Street from going to work or destroying property.... ::)
Are you SERIOUS?
Loughner wasn't and isn't a member of the Tea Party. Heck, his best friend and two ex-girlfriends states that, to their knowledge that he wasn't a conservative. He was barely political.
Where are all the headlines of Tea Party folk being herded to jail in cuffs? That's standard fare with liberal protests.
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WTF are you talking about? Dude - you are really so fucked in the head its not even funny.
Forget drinking the Obama Kool-Aid. Vince is doing the backstroke in it. There is NO LINK between Loughner and the Tea Party, despite the left-winged media DESPERATE attempt to make such appear, to smear those folks.
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Oh yes, plenty of Tea Party members have been arrested for disorderly conduct...lets not forget the Tea Party member who shot up Gifford and all those people in Arizona but that doesn't make any difference. This isn't fucking China, people have a right to protest and they are not blocking anyone on Wall Street from going to work or destroying property.... ::)
Jared Loughner was not a member of the fucking Tea Party you moron. He voted Independent, but the left-wing media sure as hell did everything they could to paint him as a Tea Partyer within minutes of finding out he was the shooter.
Wade Rathke and Stephen Lerner put this Wall St. protest together. Its not a secret, they made announcements on the internet. If you waiting for Soros or Obama to come out and say they are behind this, it aint gonna happen. Its a ruse, a diversionary protest. These are Obama voters who are so fucking stupid, they dont even realize that Obama is, and has been in bed with the very devil they are trying to exorcise. Obama's cabinet is made up of former Fed and Wall St execs. Obama is in trouble and knows it, his only hope is a double dose of stupid that happened in 2008. If he can get enough of the ignorant to turn against the people who sign their paychecks, he might stand a chance. This administration has been a boon for unions and welfare organizations, they will stop at nothing to get 4 more years of the raping and pillaging of the US taxpayer. Its a hell of scam they have going with this stimulus money. Pump billions into union green jobs that have zero chance of succeeding, the owners and workers take their cuts, donate a portion of it back to Obama in campaign contributions, then go belly up on the tax payer.
Fuck you're dumb...... ::)
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Jared Loughner was not a member of the fucking Tea Party you moron. He voted Independent, but the left-wing media sure as hell did everything they could to paint him as a Tea Partyer within minutes of finding out he was the shooter.
Wade Rathke and Stephen Lerner put this Wall St. protest together. Its not a secret, they made announcements on the internet. If you waiting for Soros or Obama to come out and say they are behind this, it aint gonna happen. Its a ruse, a diversionary protest. These are Obama voters who are so fucking stupid, they dont even realize that Obama is, and has been in bed with the very devil they are trying to exorcise. Obama's cabinet is made up of former Fed and Wall St execs. Obama is in trouble and knows it, his only hope is a double dose of stupid that happened in 2008. If he can get enough of the ignorant to turn against the people who sign their paychecks, he might stand a chance. This administration has been a boon for unions and welfare organizations, they will stop at nothing to get 4 more years of the raping and pillaging of the US taxpayer. Its a hell of scam they have going with this stimulus money. Pump billions into union green jobs that have zero chance of succeeding, the owners and workers take their cuts, donate a portion of it back to Obama in campaign contributions, then go belly up on the tax payer.
Fuck you're dumb...... ::)
Whatever, he was clearly a Tea Party nutcase who was brainwashed by Fox News and Sarah Palin.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/c/cd/Jared_Loughner_sheriff%27s_office.jpg/220px-Jared_Loughner_sheriff%27s_office.jpg)
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Whatever, he was clearly a Tea Party nutcase who was brainwashed by Fox News and Sarah Palin.
Show me one shred of evidence to that. Just one rambo.
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I hope this guy gets the nomination....he's exactly what we need!
Unemployed Wall Street protesters only have themselves to blame for lacking a job, so says Herman Cain.
The Republican presidential candidate insisted that the demonstrations were being "orchestrated" to help President Obama.
"I don't have the facts to back this up, but I happen to believe that these demonstrations are planned and orchestrated to distract from the failed policies of the Obama Administration," Cain told the Wall Street Journal.
The Tea Party favorite then argued that the plight of the unemployed was their own fault.
"Don't blame Wall Street, don't blame the big banks, if you don't have a job and you're not rich, blame yourself. It is not someone's fault if they succeeded, it is someone's fault if they failed," the ex-Godfather's Pizza CEO declared.
The fiery remarks come as protest organizers plan for their biggest demonstrations yet -- at least 2,000 people are expected to gather in lower Manhattan Wednesday.
Last week, 700 protesters who spilled onto the streets near the Brooklyn Bridge were arrested on charges of disorderly conduct.
Cain acknowledged that the banking industry played a role in the 2008 economic meltdown, but argued they were no longer responsible.
Protesters and police officers on Brooklyn Bridge during the 'Occupy Wall Street' rally on Oct. 1 (Anjali Mullany/News)
"They did have something to do with the crisis that we went into in 2008, but we're not in 2008, we're in 2011," Cain said."...These demonstrations, I honestly don't understand what they're looking for. To me, they come across more as anti-capitalism."
Cain's campaign has been picking up steam since he won Florida's straw poll last month.
And in a recent Rasmussen Reports poll, Cain trails Obama by just five points in a head-to-head matchup.
Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2011/10/05/2011-10-05_herman_cain_to_occupy_wall_street_protesters_if_youre_not_rich_blame_yourself.html#ixzz1ZxQBps8C
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2011/10/05/2011-10-05_herman_cain_to_occupy_wall_street_protesters_if_youre_not_rich_blame_yourself.html
So Coach, this means you are 100% going to vote for him?
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Whatever, he was clearly a Tea Party nutcase who was brainwashed by Fox News and Sarah Palin.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/c/cd/Jared_Loughner_sheriff%27s_office.jpg/220px-Jared_Loughner_sheriff%27s_office.jpg)
A Liberal moron's answer to cold hard facts......."umm, whatever".
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And these people don't deserve to protest?? Are they not Americans??? Wasn't our country founded on the Constitution and the First Amendment??? Are they any different than the Tea Party Protesters???
Like it or not, they are not there on Wall Street just for shits and giggles.
They are on Wall Street because they're brainless puppets.....ACORN and the SEIU are behind this 100% as shown by their past actions.
According to journalist Aaron Klein, the September 17 New York City protests—which ultimately drew about 1,000 participants—apparently represented “the culmination” of a campaign by Wade Rathke, founder of ACORN and president of an SEIU local in New Orleans, who in March 2011 had issued a call for “days of rage in ten cities around JP Morgan Chase.” Rathke's efforts were supported by Stephen Lerner, an SEIU board member and radical-left organizer who candidly aims to “destabilize the folks that are in power and start to rebuild a movement”; “bring down the stock market”; “bring down [the] bonuses” of executives in the financial sector; and “interfere with their ability to ... be rich.”
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Jared Loughner was not a member of the fucking Tea Party you moron. He voted Independent, but the left-wing media sure as hell did everything they could to paint him as a Tea Partyer within minutes of finding out he was the shooter.
Wade Rathke and Stephen Lerner put this Wall St. protest together. Its not a secret, they made announcements on the internet. If you waiting for Soros or Obama to come out and say they are behind this, it aint gonna happen. Its a ruse, a diversionary protest. These are Obama voters who are so fucking stupid, they dont even realize that Obama is, and has been in bed with the very devil they are trying to exorcise. Obama's cabinet is made up of former Fed and Wall St execs. Obama is in trouble and knows it, his only hope is a double dose of stupid that happened in 2008. If he can get enough of the ignorant to turn against the people who sign their paychecks, he might stand a chance. This administration has been a boon for unions and welfare organizations, they will stop at nothing to get 4 more years of the raping and pillaging of the US taxpayer. Its a hell of scam they have going with this stimulus money. Pump billions into union green jobs that have zero chance of succeeding, the owners and workers take their cuts, donate a portion of it back to Obama in campaign contributions, then go belly up on the tax payer.
Fuck you're dumb...... ::)
To top it all off, we had a left-winged goofball from NPR, who has "brown relief" because the shooter was a "gringo", not Hispanic like her. To hell, with the six folks who got killed or Congresswoman Giffords, who almost joined them. All that matters was that the killer was white.
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NPR
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Those people in your link are idiots for the most part, not that I believe half of what they're dating. If you had to take a guess what do you think most of those people majored in? Engineering? Computer science?
I don't think these people are idiots (Posted again in case anybody cares http://wearethe99percent.tumblr.com/). Take for instance what is now the first picture on the page (I THINK it adds more daily, I'm not sure if it's daily or different times during the day) It is an 89 year old guy. The card says and I quote "I'm 89 years old. Refinancing my mortgages and new interest rates sent me to Bankruptcy. I've lost it all. Humanity before Greed. I am the 99%" Would you seriously call him an idiot? Would you take Cain's stance and tell him to basically suck it up and it's ALL his own fault. Seriously?
What about the (what looked like 15-16 year old) girl who held up a sign saying their family couldn't afford to pay for her dads cancer treatment and he couldn't afford to stop working, so he died. Or the husband that held up a sign saying his wife worked 80 hours a week to pay for her cancer treatment. There are pages and pages of this stuff. Calling them "idiots for the most part" is dangerous. It's turning a blind eye to those that have serious problems and are getting zero political recognition.
These are not all lazy college grads who partied their asses off in college while majoring in communications who after college thought "well shit, I fucked up, I think I'll protest". Yes some are like that, but that is NOT enough to discredit the entirety of those without jobs who can't make ends meet. I think Cain made that leap in his statement, and I find it faulty and dangerous.
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To top it all off, we had a left-winged goofball from NPR, who has "brown relief" because the shooter was a "gringo", not Hispanic like her. To hell, with the six folks who got killed or Congresswoman Giffords, who almost joined them. All that matters was that the killer was white.
The most racist organizations in AZ are the "brown pride" groups like La Raza. Raul Grijalva (D-AZ) is one of the most racist politicians in the country. He is pro-illegal, pro drug cartel, and openly anti-American.
http://americanpatrol.com/REFERENCE/Grijalva-Raul.html
Anyone who lives here knows it.
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The top 5% always sell the idea that you can be rich like me. This is like a pro athlete or top singer saying anyone can be like me.
No matter how you slice it the top 5% will always be above the rest of us in the lower 95%.
You can't fit most of the population in the upper 5-10%. Basic statistics and logic here.
The odds are MOST of us will live in the mddle class and that is why GOV needs to have laws that are good for the 80% who live in the middle.
Boss, I'm NOT in the top 5%.
Here we go again with the grandioso achievement " nobel prize" " Pro athletes" " top singer" lol Thats a far cry from being wealthy!
If you're JUST a fire fighter, school teacher, construnction worker or personal trainer then no you're not going to be rich. But if you perform market research, develop a plan and WORK your plan to completion, save money and live UNDER your means, then over many years it is possible to have a high net worth.
I swear the ambition in these parts is shockingly low. :-\
I bet your significant other is just thrilled w/ your outlook ::)
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ok so you're in a "union" excuse me! ::)
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Dude, that is exactly the truth. Rich are rich because they take risks and work hard, and 9 times out of 10 are smarter. I have employees, I make substantially more money than them, but I am smarter, and I take all of the risk. It is just easier to step up the scale when you start making a certain amount. Doors seem to open. I tell you what, going from $40k to $80k a year was way harder than going from $80k to $160k. Just the way it is, it's like the addage, it takes money to make money to run a business. Well, the same is true in life. Once you get a little more money, it's easier to accrue more wealth. On a macro level one may feel inclined to feel bad for the poor, but when you look at each case, more often than not, the poor are poor because they made/make bad decisions. I have a few that work for me now, and once they're in that position, they are easily exploited.
This is the truth that the dumb, lazy and poor people fail to realize