not that anyone will want to read the link .. unless they can handle the truth
oh boy, how informative ::)- nothing but a poor gimmick/troll talking to another poor gimmick/troll, kisses to Daddy your own personal built in rapist :D
Fresh evidence clearly states that E-lie, was never at Auschwitz-Birkenau.
So his book (a alleged testimony of a holocaust survivor) "night" is proven to be fictional. Quell surprise :o
NO. A7713 was NEVER tattooed on the arm of E-lie, & was assigned to another inmate who's identity E-lie, stole . So the open pits with fire that jewish babies were being thrown into was also fictional, as was every other detail in his book. Gee, I never saw that coming ::)
E-lie the lying yidster, fucking fraud. For all the people who have served jail time (from Ernst Zundel, onward) for trying to expose the lies of the beast from the East :'(
PT
If this is true and the source is legit, then this would be really stunning.....I'll take a look at it later
seriously
you are mental and obsessed
2007 attack on Wiesel
On February 1, 2007, Wiesel was attacked in a San Francisco hotel by 22-year-old Holocaust denier Eric Hunt, who tried to drag Wiesel into a hotel room. Wiesel was not injured and Hunt fled the scene. Later, Hunt bragged about the incident on a Holocaust denial website. Approximately one month later, he was arrested and charged with multiple offenses.
A 22 year dold man could not drag a pensioner in to a hotel room ???
I will bet he used his actual IP address to brag about it also. This guy is not the brains iof the operation is he.
Not sure what this has to do with the crebebility of the weasel though.
PT
The common thread is credibility. My post was intended to show that there are folks with questionable credibility no matter which side of an issue you look at.
Wait, there is more. It is also from a Jew (no less) fucking heresy, he should be imprisoned for his insubordination, FFS!!
& how come Norman Finkelstein, didn't get put in jail for his criticism of the (what he termed) Holocaust-industry, double fucking standards. He did get BANNED from Israel though, yeah he is allegedly a risk to national security ::)
Every other fucker in this vid has been sent to jail, & had their entire net worth confiscated in court imposed fines, guess you have to be a yid to have your say on the subject :'(
The revisionist, political activist and lawyer Horst Mahler has been sentenced to six years in a German prison. for speaking his mind.
Six Years for Mahler’s Crime of Opinion!
Dissident Led from Courtroom in Chains
The Munich District Court has sentenced former Nationalist Attorney Horst Mahler to six years in prison. The 72-year-old was convicted of a variety of opinion crimes.
Two weeks ago he was sentenced to ten months’ imprisonment for similar crimes of conscience by a court in Landshut. A third sentence is still to be pronounced by Potsdam Court.
The Munich court convicted the 72-year-old disbarred attorney of referring to “Holocaust” as “the greatest lie in all human history.”
Even his defence attorney got a custodial sentence, for saying, while defending her client that "a jewish alien force was in control of Germany"
Mahler’s, jail time is now standing at 11 years, for speaking his mind, FFS ::) why did I leave the West, oh yeah.
PT
You might find it interesting that Wiesel's works are assigned high school reading. My grandson just finished his book, Night. Do you suppose the teacher will discuss the validity of Wiesel's experience with the Holocaust or the controversy regarding this?
You might find it interesting that Wiesel's works are assigned high school reading. My grandson just finished his book, Night. Do you suppose the teacher will discuss the validity of Wiesel's experience with the Holocaust or the controversy regarding this?
I haven't been able to read up on pillowtalk's allegation...have you heard anything about it?..or is this just more race-baiting by pillowtalk?
FFS, it's only been 3 weeks since I posted this thread (when you said you wanted to check it out) how long do you need, what is your day job, COE, of ICI, or something??
Race baiting?? Go & do some research, FFS.You of all people should know that if I post on this subject IT IS ALWAYS BACKED WITH SOLID EVIDENCE. Another Yank oblivious to the facts, & only getting the propaganda "move along people nothing new to see here"
Here (as you clearly missed it) is the official German documentation proving that E-lie was never at a forced labor camp.
What tattoo?? EXACTLY, dick head.
http://www.eliewieseltattoo.com/the-evidence/the-documents
PT
Tell me, are you proud that your grandson has been forced to read a work of fiction being peddled as an historic account??
PT
For many, the blurred blue lines of a serial number on a forearm are an indelible image of the Holocaust. The tattoos of the survivors have come to symbolize the utter brutality and of the concentration camps and the attempt of the Nazis to dehumanize their victims. The tattoos are also a testament to the resilience of those who bear them. Yet despite the importance of the tattoos, as testament, symbol, and historical artifact, little scholarship has been devoted to the subject. There exist virtually no official period documents relating to the practice; what we know stems from anecdotal evidence contained in camp records and the accounts of those who were at the camps.
The Auschwitz Concentration Camp Complex (including Auschwitz 1, AuschwitzBirkenau, and Monowitz) was the only location in which prisoners were systematically tattooed during the Holocaust. Prior to tattooing, several means of identifying prisoners, both by number and by category, had been implemented; serial numbers were the main method. When they arrived at the camp, prisoners were issued serial numbers which were then sewn to their prison uniforms. These serial numbers were most often accompanied by different shapes, symbols or letters which identified the status, nationality, or religion of the prisoner. This practice continued even after tattooing was introduced.
WWII was over almost 70 years ago....it is almost ancient history.
Incidentally, Wiesel maintains that he was tattooed on his lower leg and not his forearm.
I don't have time to sit around all day hating people like you do...I actually have a life.....but I did not say your allegation was false..I simply need some time to look it up..if what you say is true then you deserve credit for digging this up and exposing it...but I have to be careful buying into this right now due to your history of twisting things the wrong way for your own racist personal benefit
Ask the German people who are still paying reparations to Israel today (Billions of Euros so far & counting) for the alleged holocaust, if they think it is ancient history.
It is not ancient history for those that are still being affected by the holohoax industry, least of which are the unfortunate individuals who have served prison time, & paid heavy court fines (that often bankrupt them) just for daring to ask uncomfortable questions. Question: How many countries will you get prison time in for publishing the kind of questions that I have outlined in this thread??
Your Grandson was given a fictional book to read & told it was FACT. That is the problem. He may well have the ability (with your input) to differentiate fact from fiction, great!! What about the millions of other who do not??
How many others from forced labour camps have ever talked of getting tattooed in any place but the forearm??
Yes, because that would be a very convenient place for force labour camp guards to check your ID, sure it would. I mean the forearm is just so damn inconvenient. So tell me, are you buying that claim from Wiesel?? As I have a few bridges that are for sale, I also own the great pyramid in Giza if you are interested.
PT
I don't know that my grandson was told Wiesel's book was fact. Did I write of imply that? If I did, I didn't mean to.
Just because I wrote that Wiesel claims the tattoo is on his ankle, doesn't mean I believe it. For one, I haven't seen it. Also, it occured to me that this would be a pretty inconvenient place for an ID tattoo. However, anything is possible.
You have a life, sure. As do many, yet you cant find the time (all of 15 mins) to look at the official German documents in this thread that illustrate our rock star of the holohoax industry is a liar, & an identity thief.
Did you do well at school?? Or did you wing your way through telling the teacher that you have a life & didn't bother with the assignment as you were too busy playing the stock market ::)
PT
In all seriousness, do you think that high schools are telling students that "Night" is a questionable work with regards to authenticity.
Any teacher that even thought about saying that to a class, would be out of a job in seconds, never to work again. Well maybe as a bus driver.
You have not seen it, hahaha, nor has the rest of the fucking world. Join the club.
Anything is possible, sure it is. It is possible that I own the great pyramid in Giza, however, it is extremely un-fucking-likely, hahahahaha - oh brother.
PT
Easy peasy! Just how faded would a tattoo be in sixty or so years? Tattoos fade when exposed to UV light quite a lot.
Is your pyramid anywhere near mine?
okay I looked at the documents.....its kind of confusing....but I see the point you are trying to make.....
what does the son of the person's identity that Elie supposedly stole say???...
I stole the identity of x2 people in the UK who died before the age of 3, but the passports & other documents faded so bad (due to UV light exposure) that I can't find them anymore ::) Do ou enjoy making dumb ass counter arguments, no offence, just asking like.
Is your pyramid the Red one??
PT
his book is an accurate representation of what life as a jew in the concentration camps was like, regardless of whether he himself ever set foot in one. that is why he won the nobel prize and that is why high school students read it. its authenticity as a first person account is not of the issue when discussing the books value.
I understand what you are saying here and you make a point,,,,but if what PT says is true then its still fraud although his larger point may be valid
And if it is fraud, it is something that many biographical novelist commit. Our memories are personal to us but they are not always accurate or consistent with others memories of the same experiences. However, if Elie Wiesel never set foot in Auschwitz, then to write a book about this experience being there is quite a leap. Surely, Ann Frank's Diary has some discrepancies with reality. However, it is a diary and doesn't as such carry the same weight of reality that a biographical novel would.
his book is an accurate representation of what life as a jew in the concentration camps was like, regardless of whether he himself ever set foot in one. that is why he won the nobel prize and that is why high school students read it. its authenticity as a first person account is not of the issue when discussing the books value.
. However, if Elie Wiesel never set foot in Auschwitz, then to write a book about this experience being there is quite a leap. Surely, Ann Frank's Diary has some discrepancies with reality. However, it is a diary and doesn't as such carry the same weight of reality that a biographical novel would.
And if it is fraud, it is something that many biographical novelist commit. Our memories are personal to us but they are not always accurate or consistent with others memories of the same experiences.
I think Holocaust deniers are abhorrent...there is just so much evidence and archival footage to look at of the concentration camps......anyone who says it didn't happen is crazy
pure baloney fella,,,nothing more,,,,,americana estupido pedejo (as GH15 would say)
THIS ^^^^
Gaylor, fiction is fiction, & fact is fact, how the fuck can some one write a 1'st person account of a road traffic accident if that individual was NOT present?? What was it, automatic writing Channelled from the other side, aliens, the Pyramids?? You do come up with some ridiculous arguments, fucking idiot.
While this statement is accurate, it is not so valid when placed in context.
Any Police officer will tell you that whiteness testimony relating to a road traffic accident is never consistent (due primarily, to differing angles of view, memories being subjective & shock being taken into account). But I am 100% on the fact that if 50 people saw babies being thrown into a pit of fire, you would get 50 statements from those persons that would vary considerably on the colour of the uniforms that were worn, eye colour, firearms that were held, etc. However, one consistency would be that 50 people saw babies being thrown into pits if fire. It is the minor points that memory can play tricks with. Seeing babies being thrown into pits of fire is not a minor point!! Neither is witnessing the industrial extermination of 6 million people.
PT
Have you read Night? I have not.
oh it was only only 30,000 jews
no big deal then !
who the fuck cares !
hell, the nazis were wrongly persecuted! they didnt do anyting wrong if it wa sonly 30,000
despite the fact the number was indeed in the millions. conspiracy theorists like to ignore facts though.
Who is to say all the Jews who died during this time, died in Nazi concentration camp gas chambers? Even if that happened, it is highly unlikely any one person would have witnessed each and every one of those deaths. So anyone claiming such a feat is suspect in my mind.
. conspiracy theorists like to ignore facts though.Sure has been a lot of solid evidence/fact (official documentation/photographs, etc) posted here, but this is all theory, wow, just fucking wow!!
Yes I have, as I wanted to know what was being presented as fact by the jewish rock star of the holohoax. As you have not, it remains you who should not comment on it. Oh & Gaylor is the name we use for Taylor aka Tbomz :D As that was who I was addressing in the post.
Just when your posts were starting to make a bit of sense, we get THIS ^^^^
People died, in the labour camps, no-one is denying that!! The question that is being asked is "did 6 Million jews get systematically euthanized by industrial methods" The answer is "NO, they did NOT"
How about we look at what HAS changed since 1945.
The plaque out side Auschwitz has gone from 4 Million to 1.2 (with over 10% of that number being non-jews) Why?? Because it was inaccurate.
Actual Auschwitz records released by the Russians reduce the figure for Auschwitz to 30,000 Jews, WOOPS!!
What about the propaganda films made by the allies (mostly American, ordered by Eisenhower) on the labour camps?? Well lets look at just Dachau for now.
Here is segments of an interview with one American who decided to take a closer look at the evidence.
He is talking about the official record (photographic & film evidence) from Dachau.
Interview: This was an old official US Signal Corps documentary which had sworn testimonies of US military officers of what supposedly occurred at Dachau. I discovered that the OFFICIAL video - done in 1945 - had been purposefully doctored to make its American viewers believe that countless thousands of live human beings had been murdered in Dachau gas chambers.
He visited Dachau himself: First of all, I bought a camp guidebook and participated in the official tour including a visit to the camp crematory.
Outside of the crematory I was startled to see a large information billboard that stated that ‘no inmate’ had ever been ‘gassed’ there.
The billboard also stated that the delousing rooms were to treat inmates for lice and that the two oven crematories - (as ALL of those in ALL other camps) - were used to burn dead bodies contaminated with highly communicable diseases, such as cholera and typhus, so as to prevent an epidemic. My Jewish camp guide affirmed the statements on the billboard.
I discovered that the OFFICIAL video - done in 1945 - had been purposefully doctored to make its American viewers believe that countless thousands of live human beings had been murdered in Dachau gas chambers.
Consider this additional sworn statement by the Nuremberg Chief Prosecutor, Robert A Jackson: “These films were made pursuant by an order issued by General Dwight D Eisenhower, Supreme Commander, Allied Expedionary Forces.”
Look, the pictures in the official sworn video, ordered by Eisenhower himself, are portrayed as ‘evidence’ of gassings of Jews, which no court of law would ever admit if it were Gentiles that we wanted to prove were exterminated:
Clothes piled up; dummy showerheads; empty cans of Zyklon B. skeletons of human remains from the ovens (of course there were human remains — they had to burn dead bodies as hygenic procedure dictated); piles of shoes etc.
Eisenhower’s complicity doesn’t stop with his order to make a film of flimsy ‘evidence’ and documenting the unfounded testimonies of his underlings. His complicity reaches all the way to the US Congress and the Nuremberg trials themselves.
A Dachau ‘gas chamber’ is described in Document 47 of the 79th Congress, May 15, 1945 provided by a special Committee requested by Eisenhower relative to “Atrocities in Concentration Camps in Germany.” This document was entered into the Nuremberg trial proceedings as IMT Document L-159.
The three US officials who signed sworn affidafits attesting to the truth of Eisenhower’s document, rather than perjure themselves publicly, never showed up at the trials. Thus, they could not be cross-examined and found to be liars.
As for Eisenhower, it is common knowledge that he was involved in the murder of General Patton who censured his post-war murderous treatment of Germans. If Patton wasn’t eliminated, his persistent criticism of Eisenhower’s conduct during and after the war would have ruined his chances for the presidency.
It’s obvious to me that Eisenhower sponsored the Holocaust hoax in order to please the Jews who had the power to keep him out of the White House.
If I - an ordinary citizen - was able to uncover the monumental lies committed by our OWN government regarding the Holohoax at a time when we are facing WORLD WAR THREE whenever the Jewish neocons who STILL run the show decide to set it off, just HOW MANY MORE HUGE LIES - FALSE FLAGS - SUBVERSION OF TRUTHS - are now being prepared that we don’t even know about yet?
Calculate how long it takes to cremate the average human body (the time for cremation to be completed varies with the size & weight of each human remains, but usually takes between 1.5 to 3 hrs.), then tell me how Long it would take to burn 4 Million people in these ovens (at Auschwitz).
What do you have to say about these facts Mr PC??
PT
This was interesting and intriguing until you got to the part where Eisenhower supposedly murdered Patton....thats when you went into outer space again......I think you are trying to deny the Holocaust in your own way....or at least you are trying to minimize it.....there was no conspiracy to kill Patton by Eisenhower...you might think there was because thats how you think...
the Holocaust was not a hoax and it did in fact occur.....you scored some points by pointing out that Elie Wiesel may have fabricated some things in his book but that has not been proven definitively, and it won't be by you...we need some type of commission to look into it...until then we have to give him the benefit of the doubt..however your research has given me some pause and made me think.....which is good
despite the fact the number was indeed in the millions. conspiracy theorists like to ignore facts though.
This was interesting and intriguing until you got to the part where Eisenhower supposedly murdered Patton....thats when you went into outer space again......I think you are trying to deny the Holocaust in your own way....or at least you are trying to minimize it.....there was no conspiracy to kill Patton by Eisenhower...you might think there was because thats how you think...
the Holocaust was not a hoax and it did in fact occur.....you scored some points by pointing out that Elie Wiesel may have fabricated some things in his book but that has not been proven definitively, and it won't be by you...we need some type of commission to look into it...until then we have to give him the benefit of the doubt..however your research has given me some pause and made me think.....which is good
This was interesting and intriguing until you got to the part where Eisenhower supposedly murdered Patton....thats when you went into outer space again......I think you are trying to deny the Holocaust in your own way....or at least you are trying to minimize it.....there was no conspiracy to kill Patton by Eisenhower...you might think there was because thats how you think...
the Holocaust was not a hoax and it did in fact occur.....you scored some points by pointing out that Elie Wiesel may have fabricated some things in his book but that has not been proven definitively, and it won't be by you...we need some type of commission to look into it...until then we have to give him the benefit of the doubt..however your research has given me some pause and made me think.....which is good
Patton was killed in a car accident... Check out Brad Metzlers decoded. There was an episode about a month ago discussing his entire life, including the oddity of his death.
It was quite interesting.
the Holocaust was not a hoax and it did in fact occur.....you scored some points by pointing out that Elie Wiesel may have fabricated some things in his book but that has not been proven definitively, and it won't be by you...we need some type of commission to look into it...until then we have to give him the benefit of the doubt..however your research has given me some pause and made me think.....which is good
I am not trying to deny anything "in my own way" I am STATING FOR THE RECORD this 6 million gassed bollocks did not happen,m there is a difference.
Commission, huh?? How about the Warren commission, or the 911 commission.
6 million jews were killed by industrial methods were they?? Says who kaffa??
You are a dumb fucking niggre, you lose, now kindly fuck off & find some evidence that was not fabricated to back up your claims.
I will not hold my breath.
PT
Car accident, hey?? Nothing suspicious about that ::)
How about a single engine sena, shit they go down with VIP's on board all the fucking time.
Oh, & then there is suicide, not to mention the fatal heart attack.
PT
You should really research it... Patton was hit by a drunk driver... who was a military guy... Patton told everyone not to make a scene about it and to just forget the incident and take him to the hospital.
There were 3 or 4 eye witnesses on the scene at the time and they all have stated that this is what occurred.
No, there's really nothing more suspicious there than when any person gets hit by another person.
You really should do a little more research about Patton... In this instance, you are definitely not following the evidence.
You should really research it... Patton was hit by a drunk driver... who was a military guy... Patton told everyone not to make a scene about it and to just forget the incident and take him to the hospital.
There were 3 or 4 eye witnesses on the scene at the time and they all have stated that this is what occurred.
No, there's really nothing more suspicious there than when any person gets hit by another person.
You really should do a little more research about Patton... In this instance, you are definitely not following the evidence.
Very Good Post...my thoughts exactly
I was waiting for the racial attack to occur which is what you do when you are frustrated that no one buys your racist nonsense.....I tried to have a civil conversation with you but you can't help being an asshole and falling back on what you do best which is hurl insults and race-bait....then you wonder why people have problems believing your bullshit....
why even come here you idiot..go to the white supremicist websites where you and other idiots like you can post bullshit stupid nonsense all day and masturbate to it
Glad I didn't disappoint you.
We were not having a conversation, & this thread is not about race you moron.
Prime & I, were having a conversation. You could not even be bothered to look at the documentation regarding E-lie (what did it take you?? 3 weeks).
When you did take a look you found it confusing, fucking moron, you would find crossing the road confusing, idiot.
I slated you because you are a dick head, no other reason. Gaylor also got slated for the same reason.
Why would I want to post this anywhere else, I don't post anywhere else.
White supremacist sites?? You do live in a fantasy land.
Question: how easy is it to document & prove that slavery happened?? Answer: easy.
Question:So if the holohoax happened, why is it that there are so many glaring inconsistencies in the story.
You have failed to answer even one of the issues that have been raised in this thread, in short you have failed.
Now fuck off.
PT
again as I have said to you repeatedly over the years you are so goddamn dumb its amazing...you have the nerve to use racial slurs when your whore wife is darker than me!...WOW..you are sure living in denial...you use the the N word but you sleep with one every night...how fucking weird is that you stupid racist dick???
Go to the Nazi websites you dirty dumb fuck....
FAIL.
This is becoming a habit you dense kaffa. Any pics/evidence (plenty have been posted here of her), of any kind to back up the claim that my wife is darker than you?? That would be a NO.
Have you put anything on the table except adhominem?? That would be a NO.
Like I said "this is becoming a habit with you" - this thread is full of facts & figures. What have you brought to the table = fuck all.
Shit, you even got confused looking at the official documentation.
My wife is high caste Gujarati, a niggre is a niggre. Hope this helps.
PT
EPIC FAIL and EPIC lying.....you posted pics of your wife a few years ago and she is dark as all hell....come on and get out of your denial..your wife is the very same "Kaffa" that you describe everyone else to be....she's darker than me and certainly darker than a lot of blacks..you go to bed with a black woman every night you dumb-ass fuck...can't you see that???
As for your thread posts, I gave you a lot of credit for coming up with this stuff and I looked at it...you of all people should know that a lot of documents on the internet can be faked..and that maybe some of the ones you showed me could have been faked as well..I am not saying that you faked them, but maybe you found them and they were doctored already....that was my reason for being cautious about supporting your thesis right away...I was not casting aspersions on you....I just wanted time to digest everything and do more research....
I have done NO research into Patton at all, he does not interest me.
The claims for the circumstamnces of his death were not made by me, read the thread.
I merely commented on the ease of offing some-body & making it look like an accident. Patton was (from what I gather) making a lot of noise about war crimes committed against the German civilians, by the allies. He was then killed in a car accident (all be it by a drunk driver in this case).
Dead men tell no tales, that is all I was saying.
So I don't need to take a closer look at Patton, as I was making no claims regarding him at all.
ESTIMATED NUMBER OF JEWS KILLED IN THE FINAL SOLUTION
Country Estimated Pre-Final Solution Population Estimated Jewish Population Annihilated Percent
Poland 3,300,000 3,000,000 90
Baltic countries 253,000 228,000 90
Germany/Austria 240,000 210,000 90
Protectorate 90,000 80,000 89
Slovakia 90,000 75,000 83
Greece 70,000 54,000 77
The Netherlands 140,000 105,000 75
Hungary 650,000 450,000 70
SSR White Russia 375,000 245,000 65
SSR Ukraine* 1,500,000 900,000 60
Belgium 65,000 40,000 60
Yugoslavia 43,000 26,000 60
Romania 600,000 300,000 50
Norway 1,800 900 50
France 350,000 90,000 26
Bulgaria 64,000 14,000 22
Italy 40,000 8,000 20
Luxembourg 5,000 1,000 20
Russia (RSFSR)* 975,000 107,000 11
TOTAL 8,861,800 5,933,900 67
What about the population of Jews?? As Per World Almanac figures, it INCREASED by 584,549 between 1941 and 1948. So, this being the case, where did the 6 Million dead go??
Blah,blah,blah....................
Now show us how those figures were arrived at...................... .
Perhaps you missed post #40?? World Almanac figures no less.
Feel free to debunk the World Almanac figures - tick tock ::)
http://www.worldalmanac.com/blog/vital_statistics/
PT
The World Almanac for 1947, in quoting figures
supplies by the American Jewish Committee
states that the world Jewish population in 1939
was 15,688,259. The New York Times of February
22, 1948, stated that the world Jewish population
ranged from 15,600,000 to 18,700,000, excluding
some 600,000 to 700,000 living in Palestine. How
could the Jewish population have increased so
rapidly after losing six million during World War II?
Walter Sanning, the author of Dissolution of
European Jewry, says that no less than 2,200,000
Jews had emigrated out of Europe leaving 2,847,000
Jews residing there at the height of the German
occupation in June 1941. After the war, 3,375,000
Jews, according to the Red Cross, applied for
holocaust reparations. This figure included many
of the emigrants. Thus, the actual number of those
who died at the camps from all causes ranges
between 150,000 and 300,000.
Here is a link to one response to The World Almanac report:Deceit & Misrepresentation
The Techniques of Holocaust Denial
The World Almanac Gambit
For more go to: http://www.nizkor.org/features/denial-of-science/worldalmanac.html (http://www.nizkor.org/features/denial-of-science/worldalmanac.html)
I am not a Holocaust denier. However, I find it very interesting that seventy years later whatever happened is still hotly discussed and debated, very often by folks who have no real experience or first hand knowledge of what happened or did not happen.
It is very interesting to consider that most of the folks debating the Holocaust are several generations removed from this time. the angry Holocaust denier or a Neo-Nazi, almost none of them have any real or relevant connection to the Holocaust or that War.
Why do you suppose people are so passionate about their beliefs then? Is it because someone has done a great job educating/grooming them to feel the way they do?
Well there seem to be a lot of folks here who have made it their mission to either deny the Holocaust happened or defend that it did and rehash all the horrors involved.
You made a good point about the Holocaust not being ancient history to some folks whose lives continue to be impacted in some way by that time in history. For example Germany continuing to pay restitution.
his book is an accurate representation of what life as a jew in the concentration camps was like, regardless of whether he himself ever set foot in one. that is why he won the nobel prize and that is why high school students read it. its authenticity as a first person account is not of the issue when discussing the books value.
I think Holocaust deniers are abhorrent...there is just so much evidence and archival footage to look at of the concentration camps......anyone who says it didn't happen is crazy
oh it was only only 30,000 jews
no big deal then !
who the fuck cares !
despite the fact the number was indeed in the millions. conspiracy theorists like to ignore facts though.
You spoiled the joke, FFS.
I knew there was controversy surrounding the world Almanac figures (how could you read as much on this subject & not know that) but I wanted to watch 'generation PS3' get owned by the link/name, generating a voluminous amount of authenticity. You know that none of them would have taken the time to use a search engine & do some reading.
That would take a more mature mind, clearly none of the 'generation PS3' would have achieved that task, so we will strike that point from the record.
Although, they (WAF) are an interesting item to look at. The claims for the figures of 1949 being estimates from 1938 are just that CLAIMS.
Nothing has been offered up as far as definitive proof for those claims. The only thing on the table thus far seems to be peoples opinions, nothing more.
The world Almanac figure were published after all. The speculation remains restricted to internet blogs, & posts of websites.
Swiss scholar, Jurgen Graf, is just one in a LONG line of many who have been persecuted for looking at the evidence. He has Russian documents recovered from Auschwitz that will bring the official jewish version of the holohoax to it's knees.
Remember the Russian released official record from Auschwitz that stated total dead at 30,000?? Graf, had to leave his home country & live in exile or face a prison sentence for conducting his research. Graf, wrote a book called the "holocaust swindle" (where he looked at the authenticity of the gas chambers) Yet he was charged with writing anti-jewish books (making it sound like he was racist). Freedom of speech - JUST WATCH WHAT YOU SAY (Ice T).
Here I would like to address some points I have missed out. The quotes below being of most importance
I will tell you why I find this subject so valid today. It is because people are still being treated like criminals for trying to look at what happened. When ever I see some-one making a lot of fuss about an issue (putting individuals in prison & bankrupting them), I want to know what is going on. It's a bit like when I was a kid & the BBC banned the Sex Pistols, I wanted to hear "Never mind the Bollox" straight away. Had the BBC not have done that I would have heard the Pistols at some other point & though these fuckers can't play for shit (well, Steve Jones being the exception) plus the songs are crap!! However, the BBC banned them & the rest is history.
When you look at what happens to professors & academics when they go near the subject of the gas chambers, it's no fucking wonder that the evidence is SO DAMN HARD to find in the main stream. You then get spastics from 'generation PS3' (like Tay-tay) making retarded statements, based upon a paradigm & propaganda, that they do not even fully comprehend.
How Ironic, that is was Adolf Hitler & Joseph Goebbels, who perfected propaganda techniques.
Here is a quote of yours from another post that outlines what I am stating as my motivation.
What about the mindless repetition of what the 'PS3 generation' have heard (hearsay, in a court of law is not admissible evidence). Lets take a look.......
How many of the 'PS3 generation' (who make retarded generalisations like the quotes above) know anything about the amount of time spent at the Nuremberg trials, discussing evidence & hearing whiteness testimony regarding the camps?? How many of them know how piss poor the evidence / whiteness testimony regarding the camps was?? NONE OF THEM!! Yet they will write idiotic posts saying "I think Holocaust deniers are abhorrent...there is just so much evidence and archival footage to look at of the concentration camps" - "
his book is an accurate representation of what life as a jew in the concentration camps was like, regardless of whether he himself ever set foot in one.its authenticity as a first person account is not of the issue when discussing the books value." - "despite the fact the number was indeed in the millions. conspiracy theorists like to ignore facts though. " - Brain dead morons, one & all. Think for your-self, it will not kill you.....
The Nuremberg trials
http://avalon.law.yale.edu/subject_menus/imt.asp
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http://player.vimeo.com/video/32309865?title=0&byline=0&portrait=0
I have not yet read the information in the link you provided because, like I said, it is late and my eyes aren't working well. However, I will do this tommorrow.
The Holocaust never happened - E-kul approved ;D
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incredibly stupid asshole reported :)No-one but Jews care that they were exterminated en masse. The Jews have always pissed people off, and they have always got what they deserved. Jews are the biggest whingers on the planet - is it not enough those pricks own everything, yet they still want to bitch and complain about really old shit that had nothing to do with them. Fucking Jews are worse than blacks always whinging about slavery like it happened to themselves personally. Personally, anybody who complains about what was done to their ancestors, needs to build a big fucking bridge and get over it, because everybody else is sick of hearing your whiny neurotic Victim jewish Voices.
No-one but Jews care that they were exterminated en masse. The Jews have always pissed people off, and they have always got what they deserved. Jews are the biggest whingers on the planet - is it not enough those pricks own everything, yet they still want to bitch and complain about really old shit that had nothing to do with them. Fucking Jews are worse than blacks always whinging about slavery like it happened to themselves personally. Personally, anybody who complains about what was done to their ancestors, needs to build a big fucking bridge and get over it, because everybody else is sick of hearing your whiny neurotic Victim jewish Voices.
well....we need to be sensitive to the suffering of all.....no mater that they are not members of your own group.....we have to come together for the common good...if they want to whine about it then its their history..they have the right to do so..who are we to tell them otherwise....Blacks complain as well and yes its their right to do so......the Arabs complain...the Irish and Scots complain about Britain still.....everyone has a right to put their history in its own context.....why are you so bothered by that???I dont know that it bothers me, I am also just expressing my opinion, if I have to hear one more Jew "But what about the holocaust, oh Us poor jews, we had it so hard, please love us, please accept us" Oh Brother, Pathetic Manginas Jews are.- Classic victims - people who constantly seek attention over some long gone injustice - there lives must suck to constantly bitch about shit that happened to their ancestors - I mean these idiot Jews will bitch so much until they will possibly be exterminated again, and then the following generations will have to hear the Jews carry on about the second holocaust - Oh Brother - If the Jews want to be left alone - just Shut the fuck up
The Holocaust never happened - E-kul approved ;D
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well....we need to be sensitive to the suffering of all.....no mater that they are not members of your own group.....we have to come together for the common good...if they want to whine about it then its their history..they have the right to do so..who are we to tell them otherwise....Blacks complain as well and yes its their right to do so......the Arabs complain...the Irish and Scots complain about Britain still.....everyone has a right to put their history in its own context.....why are you so bothered by that???
I think Holocaust deniers are abhorrent...there is just so much evidence and archival footage to look at of the concentration camps......anyone who says it didn't happen is crazyOk, so can you show us some of this evidence - archival footage, etc, etc.
This thread has got nothing to do with race you imbecile. It is about lies & people being imprisoned/bankrupted, for daring to show that this holohoax industry is based on a LIE (E-lie).
Not that I would suggest for a second that playing the race card has been so ingrained in you you from childhood that you do it on autopilot, it is not even a conscious decision with you is it?? You just hit the knee with the rubber hamer & the leg jerks into the air.
Fucking spastic.
"We need to be sensitive to the suffering" sure we do, but what if the suffering is proved to never of happened?? Are we still to be sensitive, or show people up for the lying charlatans that they are?? I find it staggering that you can be fed some BS at school & then proceed to carry it around for the rest of your life, absolutely staggering. You know fuck all about this subject & yet you are MORE than happy to make ridiculous statements like........Ok, so can you show us some of this evidence - archival footage, etc, etc.
I have put a lot of evidence on the table in the last 3 pages, I am waiting to be converted............... .
Or you could debunk the posts I have already made, that would be a start - Tick tock
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I dont know that it bothers me, I am also just expressing my opinion, if I have to hear one more Jew "But what about the holocaust, oh Us poor jews, we had it so hard, please love us, please accept us" Oh Brother, Pathetic Manginas Jews are.- Classic victims - people who constantly seek attention over some long gone injustice - there lives must suck to constantly bitch about shit that happened to their ancestors - I mean these idiot Jews will bitch so much until they will possibly be exterminated again, and then the following generations will have to hear the Jews carry on about the second holocaust - Oh Brother - If the Jews want to be left alone - just Shut the fuck up
Some people just have to be connected to fully understand something. None of my ancestors that I know of suffered from persecution en mass because of their race, religion or country. So with respect to that I cannot totally relate to what it would feel like if they had. If I were Jewish, I might whine about the Holocaust too. If I were black, I may complain about slavery....and so on.
I'm connected to the human race, and the problem with the JEWS is they have always refused to integrate, they stick to their own, and because of this they have remained detached and aloof to the rest of the worlds suffering. This has led them to become insulated and irrational, and have elevated their suffering above everyone elses. Narcissism at its finest. Every human can bleat about some injustice served up to their ancestors, but for some reason the Jews have never Shut the fuck Up since the beginning of time. That's why they are hated, because they never stop beating they same old victim drum, when the rest of the world sees them as spoiled rich brats.
In the first half of the 20th century, in the USA, Jews were discriminated against in employment, access to residential and resort areas, membership in clubs and organizations, and in tightened quotas on Jewish enrolment and teaching positions in colleges and universities. The lynching of Leo Frank by a mob of prominent citizens in Marietta, Georgia in 1915 turned the spotlight on antisemitism in the United States. Restricted neighborhoods in the U.S. were still around in the 1960's.See, here it is again - bleating how hard the Jews have had it - they cant help themselves - I truly believe a Jew doesn't feel like a Jew unless he is constantly identifying as a victim. Poor Jew - They have it so hard - Oh Brother, The Jews will never get it, could be time for another holocaust
See, here it is again - bleating how hard the Jews have had it - they cant help themselves - I truly believe a Jew doesn't feel like a Jew unless he is constantly identifying as a victim. Poor Jew - They have it so hard - Oh Brother, The Jews will never get it, could be time for another holocaust
You must be really dense. These are facts, not Jews bleating about or making up anything. I am not Jewish. I posted the paragraph to which you refer. Probably unlike you, I personally remember when these types of discrimination were the norm.So what, the sun came up this morning is a fact - why go on about it - the problem is the world is way too tolerant - it is not racist or unfair discrimination if people speak up and say "Stop whinging and get on with it". Jews have always discriminated against Non Jews and still do so today. Try and marry a Jew and see how you go.
So what, the sun came up this morning is a fact - why go on about it - the problem is the world is way too tolerant - it is not racist or unfair discrimination if people speak up and say "Stop whinging and get on with it". Jews have always discriminated against Non Jews and still do so today. Try and marry a Jew and see how you go.
come on..you and I both know that there is no such thing as "converting" someone like you...you have a racist agenda to push..you are not going to retreat from it whatsoever even in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary...digging up evidence to present to you would be a total waste of time
Swiss scholar, Jurgen Graf, is just one in a LONG line of many who have been persecuted for looking at the evidence. He has Russian documents recovered from Auschwitz that will bring the official jewish version of the holohoax to it's knees.
Remember the Russian released official record from Auschwitz that stated total dead at 30,000?? Graf, had to leave his home country & live in exile or face a prison sentence for conducting his research. Graf, wrote a book called the "holocaust swindle" (where he looked at the authenticity of the gas chambers) Yet he was charged with writing anti-jewish books (making it sound like he was racist). Freedom of speech - JUST WATCH WHAT YOU SAY (Ice T).
Here I would like to address some points I have missed out. The quotes below being of most importance
I will tell you why I find this subject so valid today. It is because people are still being treated like criminals for trying to look at what happened. When ever I see some-one making a lot of fuss about an issue (putting individuals in prison & bankrupting them), I want to know what is going on. It's a bit like when I was a kid & the BBC banned the Sex Pistols, I wanted to hear "Never mind the Bollox" straight away. Had the BBC not have done that I would have heard the Pistols at some other point & thought "these fuckers can't play for shit (well, Steve Jones being the exception) plus the songs are crap!!" However, the BBC banned them & the rest is history.
When you look at what happens to professors & academics when they go near the subject of the gas chambers, it's no fucking wonder that the evidence is SO DAMN HARD to find in the main stream. You then get spastics from 'generation PS3' (like Tay-tay) making retarded statements, based upon a paradigm & propaganda, that they do not even fully comprehend.
How Ironic, that is was Adolf Hitler & Joseph Goebbels, who perfected propaganda techniques.
How many of the 'PS3 generation' (who make retarded generalisations like the quotes above) know anything about the amount of time spent at the Nuremberg trials, discussing evidence & hearing whiteness testimony regarding the camps?? How many of them know how piss poor the evidence / whiteness testimony regarding the camps was?? NONE OF THEM!! Yet they will write idiotic posts saying "I think Holocaust deniers are abhorrent...there is just so much evidence and archival footage to look at of the concentration camps" - "
his book is an accurate representation of what life as a jew in the concentration camps was like, regardless of whether he himself ever set foot in one.its authenticity as a first person account is not of the issue when discussing the books value." - "despite the fact the number was indeed in the millions. conspiracy theorists like to ignore facts though. " - Brain dead morons, one & all. Think for your-self, it will not kill you.....
The Nuremberg trials
http://avalon.law.yale.edu/subject_menus/imt.asp
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his book is an accurate representation of what life as a jew in the concentration camps was like, regardless of whether he himself ever set foot in one. that is why he won the nobel prize and that is why high school students read it. its authenticity as a first person account is not of the issue when discussing the books value.What is life like as a race traitor? You should write a book on that.
The Australian scientists took core samples from the alleged death camp & the surrounding areas, then proceeded to go over the entire area with GPR. What did they find?? NOTHING AT ALL!! The ground had not been disturbed (dug up), there was no evidence of any bodies or ash from fires (GPR & core samples were taken) so all the eye whiteness testimony from Treblinka, has been proven 100% conclusively to have been falsified.
How many more of the alleged survivors of the holohoax are going to be proved to be LIARS?? All those killed at Treblinka, were killed by a (Russian Tank) Diesel engine exhaust, WTF!! That claim alone should make people ask huge questions, & a bunch of them.
Diesel exhaust, huh?? The Germans would have used that wouldn't they, as they were known for being sloppy. But not just any Diesel engine was used (German ones were not up to the task) a captured Russian tank engine was used, Jesus fucking crist!! That would have been easy to get spare parts for, yeah, Just call up Stalin on the hot line "er, what up dog?? Listen, we are trying to off just shy of a Million jews & our T24 engine has packed up, can you send us a tonne of spares??" Utterly fucking preposterous.
If the Third Reich had decided to dispatch millions of people it would have been a production line that displayed uniformity, precision & efficiency. Diesel engine's indeed. At least the Zyclon B gas story was possible.
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What is life like as a race traitor? You should write a book on that.
Some people just have to be connected to fully understand something. None of my ancestors that I know of suffered from persecution en mass because of their race, religion or country. So with respect to that I cannot totally relate to what it would feel like if they had. If I were Jewish, I might whine about the Holocaust too. If I were black, I may complain about slavery....and so on.Are you white? If so, start complaining about the ongoing genocide of your race via social engineering, illegal and traitorous immigration and media propaganda from the presstitudes.
The link I posted is to the Yale university website, or more specifically the transcripts for the Nuremberg trials, which you will find there. I used the site because otherwise the 'PS3 generation' will claim the transcripts have been doctored (I would like to see them claim that, when they are hosted on the Yale university site). However, unless you want to read the entire trial worth of transcripts, you have to know what to look for.
My suggestion is to go to the film I posted (#67) & click on 30mins in, then watch the next 15 mins. You will never think the same way about WWII again!! The narrator looks at the transcripts using the Yale site also, & outlines a few things that I GRANTEE you are NOT aware of.
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In your own time gentle men. Or are we now avoiding subjects we do not wish to look at.
Prime, I thought at least you would have watched 20 mins on the trials & made a comment, even of it was not based on reality (tattoo on the lower leg ::)).
Snuff video
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See, here it is again - bleating how hard the Jews have had it - they cant help themselves - I truly believe a Jew doesn't feel like a Jew unless he is constantly identifying as a victim. Poor Jew - They have it so hard - Oh Brother, The Jews will never get it, could be time for another holocaust
Untermensch (German for under man, sub-man, sub-human; plural: Untermenschen) is a term that became infamous when the Nazi racial ideology used it to describe "inferior people"[/b] especially "the masses from the East," that is Jews, Gypsies, Poles along with other Slavic people like the Russians, Serbs, Belarussians and Ukrainians
Any fucker who talks shit about the events of 70+ years ago, combined with having people put in jail/bankrupting them for daring to ask questions regarding those events.
Who then goes on to treat the citizens of their mother-land (Israel) like this ^^^^ well, you tell me.................
I have got no time for the fucking Arabs either, they should all be dropped in the ocean (very high rate of untermenschen, per capita) but I am pointing out the hypocrisy here.
jews are not untermenschen per say, they have some very good IQ's in their gene-pool, but DO NOT take a shit on the fellow members of my race for printing books that ask legitimate questions, & then call it incitement to racial hatred, you fucking parasites.
Come on Andre talk about this issue, fucking hypocrite.
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So did Eugenics, but it was not invented by the Nazis & is still in common usage today.
Does the use of that word bear any relation to this topic?? It is still part of the German language. Was before the Nazi party & is now.
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I'm not hypocrite...do you want me to talk about this issue so we can have a legit give and take conversation about it or do you want an excuse to call me names???...just as you ask me to weigh the evidence and be neutral, I ask you to do the same...IQ is not the end-all be-all in terms of who is "worthy" as a race...it all depends on access to education to bring out the potential that you have within yourself....if you as a race have been denied that access then of course the IQ of your race, religion, gender, etc is going to suffer.....I have never been south of the Sahara & my wife is as fair as they come (for Indian women).
you talk about the Jews complaining about their treatment...but its their right to do so....just as it was your right to come on here a few years ago and talk about how you and your family were treated at the hands of the Zimbabweans and how you (and a bunch of other whites) were forced to leave your country and having your stuff confiscated.....I'm sure that still hurts you after all these years doesn't it???
So if you continue to complain about it..it doesn't make you a whiner or a bad person...you simply want that injustice that was done to you to be remembered.....
I'm sure you still think about what happened to you every single day even if its for 5 seconds and I am sure you are still bitter about it
Don't make a big deal out of my posting a definition for untermensch. Although I have German family, I had not heard or seen the word before, so I looked it up for myself and posted what I found for others who also may not have known what it meant. Granted I did not get this definition of the word from a dictionary, but rather Wikipedia. When I locate my German dictionary, if the word is in it, I will post that definition also.
If you don't believe the word is relevant to the topic in this thread, why did you employ it?
Update: untermenschlich (the German spelling) is defined as meaning subhuman in the German/English dictionary.
I did not make a big deal, it's just not relevant to the thread. I have used that word for years.
What difference it makes that the Nazi party used it also (they are German after all) is lost on me.
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I'm not hypocrite...Every human being is a hypocrite
Every human being is a hypocritetrue but I think we use it to mean being overtly and openly so
starbucks treats their employees very well. much better than the market would determine. they are a good corporation.
Perhaps you are right that it is an overstatement for Wikipedia (and me, in this case) to include the fact that the Nazi party used the (derogatory) term untermensch in reference to certain folks they appeared to dislike. As you say, Nazi's were German and it is a German word.
Not to belabor this, but you introduced the word to this tread. While I get that it may be a word you've used frequently, one would naturally assume that you employ this word when it has some relevance, otherwise why not use a different word.
Oh, what tangled webs we weave. Even Oprah & her mighty book club got taken in by the jewish snake oil selling charlatans.
When in trouble, head for Auschwitz, preferably in the company of E-lieWiesel. It's as foolproof a character reference as is available today, at least within the Judeo-Christian sphere of moral influence. One can easily see why Oprah Winfrey & her advisers saw an Auschwitz excursion in the company of Wiesel as a sure-fire antidote to salve the wounds sustained by Oprah's Book Club when it turned out that James Frey, had faked significant slabs of his own supposedly autobiographical saga of moral regeneration "A Million Little Pieces".
Published in 2003, Frey's irksome book swiftly became a cult classic. Winfrey picked it for her Book Club in September 2005, and it rocketed to the top of the bestseller lists.
For Frey the sky fell in when, on January 7, 2006, the Smoking Gun website, published documents showing that Frey had fabricated many facts about himself, including a criminal record. There were later charges of plagiarism. Frey ran through a benign gauntlet of trial-by-Larry King on January 11, & Oprah called in to stand by her Pick of the Month. She said that what mattered was not whether Frey's book was true (the Fundamentalist claim for the Holy Bible) but its value as a therapeutic tool (the modern Anglican position on the Good Book).
But by now every columnist & books page editor in America was wrestling the truth-or-fiction issue to the ground. Oprah turned on Frey. On her show on January 26, he clung to the ropes, offering the excuse that the "demons" that had driven him to drink & drugs had also driven him into claiming that everything he wrote about himself was true. Publishers including Random House, which has made millions off him, had rejected the book when he'd initially offered it as a "fiction novel". Oprah brushed this aside.
Amazon.com got the message quickly enough. The site had been categorizing the new edition of Night under "fiction and literature" but, under the categorical imperative of Kakutani's "memory as a sacred act" or a phone call from Wiesel's publisher, hastily switched it to "biography and memoir". Within hours it had reached number 3 on Amazon's bestseller list. That same evening, January 17, Night topped both the "biography" and "fiction" bestseller lists on BarnesandNoble.com.
Joshua Cohen reminded Forward readers that in 1996, Naomi Seidman, a Jewish Studies professor at the Graduate Theological Union in Berkeley, California, had compared the original 1956 Yiddish version of the book with the subsequent, drastically edited translation of "night".
"According to Seidman's account, published in the scholarly journal Jewish Social Studies", Cohen wrote, "Wiesel substantially rewrote the work between editions - suggesting that the strident & vengeful tone of the Yiddish original was converted into a continental, angst-ridden existentialism, more fitting to Wiesel's emerging role as an ambassador of culture/conscience. Most important, Seidman wrote that Wiesel, altered several facts in the later edition, in some cases offering accounts of pivotal moments that conflicted with the earlier version.
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Clearly in this age when it seems many folks have no modesty at all and many are clammering to tell all via whatever medium is available to them, be it; books, television or the news....as long as there might be a pay check involved, it should come a no surprise that some biographies are either outright fabrications or at the least enhanced to make them more marketable.The problem with this is, one never really knows what to believe anymore. That's what I hate about lies. Once someone lies, everything they say afterwards is naturally suspect.
My suggestion is to go to the film I posted (#67) & click on 30mins in, then watch the next 15 mins. You will never think the same way about WWII again!! The narrator looks at the transcripts using the Yale site also, & outlines a few things that I GRANTEE you are NOT aware of.
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6 million + jews were murdered in holocost,, inocent lifs been murdered by putting them into big overns aka gas chamber and press the on button ,, there is no IFS NO BUTS AND NO MAYBE,,jews are good people for the most part. they allow alot of shit to be thrown their way in the name of freedom. very good people.
it is so disturbing what you say here and such outraging,, and so incorect it is beyond fucked,, im nto one to stand aside when the chosen people been murdered and it is forever to be told soi t never repeat itself EVER again,,
2 year old 3 year old lead to gas chamber with carnaval soothing music ,, only to not be able to breath and choke to their death ,, 2 year fucking old!
never forget it ,, and im surprize administraotr of site let this go ,, this trread should be deleted and bombarded with lot of timeout and permenent banns
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6 million + jews were murdered in holocost,, inocent lifs been murdered by putting them into big overns aka gas chamber and press the on button ,, there is no IFS NO BUTS AND NO MAYBE,,
it is so disturbing what you say here and such outraging,, and so incorect it is beyond fucked,, im nto one to stand aside when the chosen people been murdered and it is forever to be told soi t never repeat itself EVER again,,
2 year old 3 year old lead to gas chamber with carnaval soothing music ,, only to not be able to breath and choke to their death ,, 2 year fucking old!
never forget it ,, and im surprize administraotr of site let this go ,, this trread should be deleted and bombarded with lot of timeout and permenent banns
gh15 approved
Watched, or rather listened to the part of the video you recommended. It is interesting the way the narrator dissects the transcripts of the Nuremberg trials. It didn't change any of my thoughts about WWII or the Holocaust, however.
6 million + jews were murdered in holocost,, inocent lifs been murdered by putting them into big overns aka gas chamber and press the on button ,, there is no IFS NO BUTS AND NO MAYBE,,
it is so disturbing what you say here and such outraging,, and so incorect it is beyond fucked,, im nto one to stand aside when the chosen people been murdered and it is forever to be told soi t never repeat itself EVER again,,
2 year old 3 year old lead to gas chamber with carnaval soothing music ,, only to not be able to breath and choke to their death ,, 2 year fucking old!
never forget it ,, and im surprize administraotr of site let this go ,, this trread should be deleted and bombarded with lot of timeout and permenent banns
gh15 approved
Fresh evidence clearly states that E-lie, was never at Auschwitz-Birkenau.
So his book (an alleged testimony of a holocaust survivor) "night" is proven to be fictional. Quell surprise :o
NO. A7713 was NEVER tattooed on the arm of E-lie, & was assigned to another inmate who's identity E-lie, stole . So the open pits with fire that jewish babies were being thrown into was also fictional, as was every other detail in his book. Gee, I never saw that coming ::)
E-lie the lying yidster, fucking fraud. For all the people who have served jail time (from Ernst Zundel, onward) for trying to expose the lies of the beast from the East :'(
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The extent to which you love and stick up for the Jews despite claiming to not be Jewish is really suspect about your identity GH15. Are you sure you're not Sagi Kalev?
i love jews,, they are all my brothers and sister,,we all have jew father name abrham ,, you ,, me,, anyone and everyone,, i love all people but! i have warm place for jews in my heart for they never betray me and with me in time of need
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I KNEW you were Sagi Kalev!
So, let's be clear here. You watched 15 mins (from 30 mins in) & you concluded what from that ???
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My suggestion is to go to the film I posted (#67) & click on 30mins in, then watch the next 15 mins. You will never think the same way about WWII again!! The narrator looks at the transcripts using the Yale site also, & outlines a few things that I GRANTEE you are NOT aware of.
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Who really gives a shit??? Maybe the records are wrong as the Holocaust was more than 70 years ago. Its a waste of time to debate no more than the "Nazi Hunters". There people are old and crusty....just let it die out a peaceful death so they can burn in hell for their actions
Patton was killed in a car accident... Check out Brad Metzlers decoded. There was an episode about a month ago discussing his entire life, including the oddity of his death.Is that the show that did the episode on Clark of Lewis and Clark fame?
It was quite interesting.
I am not sure how you arrived at this conclusion when you didn't watch the entire file, but no matter.
I concluded that the people or person putting this video together are pushing an agenda. I generally feel the truth of any matter lies somewhere in the middle between the extremes. The more vehement an argument, the more I find it suspicious.....but, that's just how I am wired.
Personally, picking apart the details of that time in history to either support or deny the Holocaust is not where I choose to spend a lot of energy. I believe I have been very clear that my position is that I feel it is time to move forward by devoting our energy instead to more current issues and problems.That is why we shall choose to leave this subject altogether. You will never be able to look at any of the facts regarding this issue while remaining objective, you have very clearly outlined this while giving your opinions. So you are yourself extremely biased. If you can not see this, then perhaps you should look again. I have discussed this issue with others online who were of the "you are a holohoax denier" persuasion, & even they had to admit that when they looked a little closer at things they were not 100% on, or never even aware of, they find their ability to construct a counter argument leaves them, because they would have to leave their sense of logic at the door if they were to go any further. Thus they concede that even they can not see how you could burn bodies by stacking them 20 high/gas people by using a Diesel engine (considering it is extremely difficult to kill someone in this manner). We will leave this subject behind now. However, if you find another subject where people will be imprisoned/bankrupted & slandered in the news, for asking questions you be sure & let me know, yes??
On a more personal level, I don't believe in monetary retributions as a resolution for past or current affronts. There are some things that money just cannot buy. Money cannot buy back ones loss of life or the loss of a loved ones life, example.Tell the Israelis (who have stolen Billions of Euros from the German people to build their own fascist, concentration camps, in Gaza/W.bank) & your government this ^^^^
I am not sure how you arrived at this conclusion when you didn't watch the entire file, but no matter.
The narrator (in the section dealing with the Nuremberg trails) is pointing out inconsistency in the whiteness testimony, if this is pushing an agenda then so be it.
I had no idea when it came to the details of the holohoax, I only knew what I was told at school. & like most things I was told at school I took it as gospel because it came from a teacher.
We will disagree on the point of the argument being vehement, the entire film is pointing out lies, inconsistency & half truths.
The only vehemence I see is from the side that is not only pushing this holohoax, horse shit, but will imprison/bankrupt people & slander their name in the news, for printing books that ask these questions. lest we forget that they are legitimate questions that would be considered in a (fair & just) court of law.
I think that section does a very good job of explaining what 99.99% of people have got no idea about. The Nuremberg trails, were a fucking sham & the people in charge (chief prosecutor/presiding judge, etc) were all in on it. Let's not even get into the Diesel engines from a Russian T24 tank/lack of bodies, etc etc....
That is why we shall choose to leave this subject altogether. You will never be able to look at any of the facts regarding this issue while remaining objective, you have very clearly outlined this while giving your opinions. So you are yourself extremely biased. If you can not see this, then perhaps you should look again. I have discussed this issue with other online who were of the "you are a holohoax denier" persuasion, & even they had to admit that when they looked a little closer at things they were not 100% on, or never even knew about, they find their ability to construct a counter argument leaves them, because they would have to leave their sense of logic at the door if they were to go any further. Thus they concede that even they can not see how you could burn bodies by stacking them 20 high/gas people by using a Diesel engine (considering it is extremely difficult to kill someone in this manner). We will leave this subject behind now. However, if you find another subject where people will be imprisoned/bankrupted & slandered in the news, for asking questions you be sure & let me know, yes??
Tell the Israelis (who have stolen Billions of Euros from the German people to build their own fascist, concentration camps, in Gaza/W.bank) & your government this ^^^^
PT
I agree we (you and I) should probably "leave this subject" because, it seems one or the other of us isn't communicating very well at this point.Allow me to present you with what was posted.
As I pointed out, I watched exactly what you instructed me to watch in that video. It seems now like you are suggesting I failed in some way by not watching the whole thing. My perception is that the narrator had an agenda. I am wary of anyone who pushes their own agenda too hard, regardless of which side of an issue they are on.
I concluded that the people or person putting this video together are pushing an agenda. I generally feel the truth of any matter lies somewhere in the middle between the extremes. The more vehement an argument, the more I find it suspicious.....but, that's just how I am wired.I am not sure how you arrived at this conclusion when you didn't watch the entire file, but no matter.
Tell me this; if I somehow completely embraced what you have shown and told me, how would it change anything for either one of us? What I think or what you think is of little consequence either way, when all is said and done. Frankly, I am more comfortable remaining something of a skeptic when it comes to the details of the Holocaust. There was a war and people died. Unfortunately, many of those folks were innocent citizens. Whether their numbers were 6,000,000 or 6,000 what happend to them was wrong, IMO. If this makes me biased, I don't see it.
Allow me to present you with what was posted.I am not sure how you arrived at this conclusion when you didn't watch the entire file, but no matter.
The narrator (in the section dealing with the Nuremberg trails) is pointing out inconsistency in the whiteness testimony, if this is pushing an agenda then so be it.
Let me rephrase. You did not watch the entire film so to say the narrator is pushing an agenda based upon 15 min is ridiculous, especially when we look at what was said in the 15 mins!! You are overly concerning yourself with who is/isn't pushing an agenda. Facts that are presented should be just that. trying to STOP people from getting access to these fact is pushing an agenda.
Our communication skills are perfect, we both have a very good command of the English language. It is misinterpretation of what is said that is the problem. I have posted this information for all who read the thread to see, with the hope that it will make some question the paradigms/self perpetuating memes, they have been handed, as has been the case with Andreisdaman.
I have not tried to convince you of anything, as a guy I know once said "not only do I NOT care what you do with this information, but it is NONE of my fucking business" - You have clearly outlined the obvious: my life remains the same irrespective of what you believe, I still have the keys to my apartment, I still own my own company (that will be feature on www.bodybuilding.com next month) I still have a beautiful wife, money is not an issue, etc etc............
What you have said here is that you are going to perpetually sit on the fence when looking at politics. Do you vote at all?? I will be shocked to hear that you do, I mean come on, they are all lying kunts that are pushing their own agenda.
You will listen to both arguments & then sit on the fence, because they all protesteth to much ("the lady doth protest too much me thinks") & they all have an agenda, LMFAO.
It's a good job that the majority have not taken that approach during the last 500 years of European history, we would still be in the fucking dark ages.
Yeah it was war & people died, get over it. I tell you what: when the fucking Joos STOP building holohox museums in every city that they can get the PUBLIC to fund them. When people are NO longer charged (& imprisoned) with hate crimes/incitement to racial hatred for daring to print a book that asks serious questions. When school children are NO longer having LIES (that can be disproved) pushed down their necks in the guise of education.
When.................... .
Oh fuck it you get the idea. Bottom line is: when X/Y/Z is stopped I WILL GET OVER IT, KAY??
PT
lolz, PT getting destroyed again, poor gimmick/troll/copy-paste Dim Witt.
I WATCHED EXACTLY WHAT YOU TOLD ME TO WATCH. Why do you keep ignoring this?
Can you honestly tell me you find the narrator's tone neutral; as if he is simply telling the facts? Of course most all narrators do what I feel he is doing here, which is adding some dramatic intonations to make his point more interesting.
If you look into who posted this video on Youtube, which you probably have, you should see as I did that it appears there is some agenda here with this group.
PM
I stated a fact. Not once did I ask you to watch the entire film!! I only told you that concluding anything about the film when you have not watched it all is ridiculous. Read the posts again & tell me where I told you to watch the entire film.
You watched 15 mins, there fore you are ONLY qualified to comment on that 15 mins.
As for the person/group who posted it ??? they did not make the film, nor did they offer any content, so they are 100% irrelevant to the equation.
Confusion & serious misinterpretation are now what is going on here the.
I am finished posting replies to you on this subject. Your constant playing Devils advocate is getting boring.
Jesus I pray we never end up on the same jury!! If you sit on a jury, you have to review a lot of evidence & make you mind up beyond reasonable doubt.
I watched that film & decided that the allegations made by the alleged survivors were beyond stupid. Agreed, I already knew a lot about the subject before I saw that film (which was made in 2006) so most of it was not news to me, as it was to you. However, the points stand.
Burning bodies stacked 20 high = impossible - Killing people by using a Diesel engine = virtually impossible. The bodies of the 1.5 Million people from the x3 camps have vanished into thin air = impossible.The list goes on & on.
I also find the fact that you can get put into prison/demonised in the media & raped of all your holdings, for asking these questions fucking disgusting. & when you consider that the people behind this - ARE AS WE SPEAK - committing GENOCIDE right in front of the eyes of every member state in the UN, you just have to admit that you are now in an episode of the 'twilight zone' & things have just gotten beyond fucking bizarre. I live in India & can, thankfully, publish a book on this subject with-out fear of being publicly raped. & you know, I might just do that ;)
I have made a very clear case in this thread. Shit, even people who did not want to believe that there are some questions to be asked had to look again. With that much I am happy.
PT