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Re: Is E-lie Wiesel A Fraud?? his story unravles.............
« Reply #50 on: November 18, 2011, 12:25:47 AM »
Patton was killed in a car accident... Check out Brad Metzlers decoded. There was an episode about a month ago discussing his entire life, including the oddity of his death.

It was quite interesting.

Car accident, hey?? Nothing suspicious about that  ::)
How about a single engine sena, shit they go down with VIP's on board all the fucking time.
Oh, & then there is suicide, not to mention the fatal heart attack.

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« Reply #51 on: November 18, 2011, 12:32:57 AM »
the Holocaust was not a hoax and it did in fact occur.....you scored some points by pointing out that Elie Wiesel may have fabricated some things in his book but that has not been proven definitively, and it won't be by you...we need some type of commission to look into it...until then we have to give him the benefit of the doubt..however your research has given me some pause and made me think.....which is good

I am  not trying to deny anything "in my own way" I am STATING FOR THE RECORD this 6 million gassed bollocks did not happen, there is a difference.
Commission, huh?? How about the Warren commission, or the 911 commission.
6 million jews were killed by industrial methods were they?? Says who kaffa??

You are a dumb fucking niggre, you lose, now kindly fuck off & find some evidence that was not fabricated to back up your claims.
I will not hold my breath.

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Re: Is E-lie Wiesel A Fraud?? his story unravles.............
« Reply #52 on: November 18, 2011, 01:27:22 AM »
I am  not trying to deny anything "in my own way" I am STATING FOR THE RECORD this 6 million gassed bollocks did not happen,m there is a difference.
Commission, huh?? How about the Warren commission, or the 911 commission.
6 million jews were killed by industrial methods were they?? Says who kaffa??

You are a dumb fucking niggre, you lose, now kindly fuck off & find some evidence that was not fabricated to back up your claims.
I will not hold my breath.

PT


I was waiting for the racial attack to occur which is what you do when you are frustrated that no one buys your racist nonsense.....I tried to have a civil conversation with you but you can't help being an asshole and falling back on what you do best which is hurl insults and race-bait....then you wonder why people have problems believing your bullshit....

why even come here you idiot..go to the white supremicist websites where you and other idiots like you can post bullshit stupid nonsense all day and masturbate to it

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Re: Is E-lie Wiesel A Fraud?? his story unravles.............
« Reply #53 on: November 18, 2011, 03:37:45 AM »
Car accident, hey?? Nothing suspicious about that  ::)
How about a single engine sena, shit they go down with VIP's on board all the fucking time.
Oh, & then there is suicide, not to mention the fatal heart attack.

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You should really research it... Patton was hit by a drunk driver... who was a military guy... Patton told everyone not to make a scene about it and to just forget the incident and take him to the hospital.

There were 3 or 4 eye witnesses on the scene at the time and they all have stated that this is what occurred.

No, there's really nothing more suspicious there than when any person gets hit by another person.

You really should do a little more research about Patton... In this instance, you are definitely not following the evidence.

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Re: Is E-lie Wiesel A Fraud?? his story unravles.............
« Reply #54 on: November 18, 2011, 05:58:25 AM »
You should really research it... Patton was hit by a drunk driver... who was a military guy... Patton told everyone not to make a scene about it and to just forget the incident and take him to the hospital.

There were 3 or 4 eye witnesses on the scene at the time and they all have stated that this is what occurred.

No, there's really nothing more suspicious there than when any person gets hit by another person.

You really should do a little more research about Patton... In this instance, you are definitely not following the evidence.


Very Good Post...my thoughts exactly

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« Reply #55 on: November 18, 2011, 06:06:38 AM »
You should really research it... Patton was hit by a drunk driver... who was a military guy... Patton told everyone not to make a scene about it and to just forget the incident and take him to the hospital.

There were 3 or 4 eye witnesses on the scene at the time and they all have stated that this is what occurred.

No, there's really nothing more suspicious there than when any person gets hit by another person.

You really should do a little more research about Patton... In this instance, you are definitely not following the evidence.


I have done NO research into Patton at all, he does not interest me.
The claims for the circumstamnces of his death were not made by me, read the thread.

I merely commented on the ease of offing some-body & making it look like an accident. Patton was (from what I gather) making a lot of noise about war crimes committed against the German civilians, by the allies. He was then killed in a car accident (all be it by a drunk driver in this case).
Dead men tell no tales, that is all I was saying.
So I don't need to take a closer look at Patton, as I was making no claims regarding him at all.

Very Good Post...my thoughts exactly

Fuck off Andy!! I started this thread about E-lie, who fucking cares what a dumb niggre thinks??

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Re: Is E-lie Wiesel A Fraud?? his story unravles.............
« Reply #56 on: November 18, 2011, 06:22:53 AM »
I was waiting for the racial attack to occur which is what you do when you are frustrated that no one buys your racist nonsense.....I tried to have a civil conversation with you but you can't help being an asshole and falling back on what you do best which is hurl insults and race-bait....then you wonder why people have problems believing your bullshit....

why even come here you idiot..go to the white supremicist websites where you and other idiots like you can post bullshit stupid nonsense all day and masturbate to it

Glad I didn't disappoint you.
We were not having a conversation, & this thread is not about race you moron.
Prime & I, were having a conversation. You could not even be bothered to look at the documentation regarding E-lie (what did it take you?? 3 weeks).
When you did take a look you found it confusing, fucking moron, you would find crossing the road confusing, idiot.

I slated you because you are a dick head, no other reason. Gaylor also got slated for the same reason.

Why would I want to post this anywhere else, I don't post anywhere else.
White supremacist sites?? You do live in a fantasy land.

Question: how easy is it to document & prove that slavery happened?? Answer: easy.
Question:So if the holohoax happened, why is it that there are so many glaring inconsistencies in the story.

You have failed to answer even one of the issues that have been raised in this thread, in short you have failed.
Now fuck off.

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Re: Is E-lie Wiesel A Fraud?? his story unravles.............
« Reply #57 on: November 18, 2011, 06:31:41 AM »
Glad I didn't disappoint you.
We were not having a conversation, & this thread is not about race you moron.
Prime & I, were having a conversation. You could not even be bothered to look at the documentation regarding E-lie (what did it take you?? 3 weeks).
When you did take a look you found it confusing, fucking moron, you would find crossing the road confusing, idiot.

I slated you because you are a dick head, no other reason. Gaylor also got slated for the same reason.

Why would I want to post this anywhere else, I don't post anywhere else.
White supremacist sites?? You do live in a fantasy land.

Question: how easy is it to document & prove that slavery happened?? Answer: easy.
Question:So if the holohoax happened, why is it that there are so many glaring inconsistencies in the story.

You have failed to answer even one of the issues that have been raised in this thread, in short you have failed.
Now fuck off.

PT

again as I have said to you repeatedly over the years you are so goddamn dumb its amazing...you have the nerve to use racial slurs when your whore wife is darker than me!...WOW..you are sure living in denial...you use the the N word but you sleep with one every night...how fucking weird is that you stupid racist dick???

Go to the Nazi websites you dirty dumb fuck....

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Re: Is E-lie Wiesel A Fraud?? his story unravles.............
« Reply #58 on: November 18, 2011, 08:39:48 AM »
again as I have said to you repeatedly over the years you are so goddamn dumb its amazing...you have the nerve to use racial slurs when your whore wife is darker than me!...WOW..you are sure living in denial...you use the the N word but you sleep with one every night...how fucking weird is that you stupid racist dick???

Go to the Nazi websites you dirty dumb fuck....

FAIL.

This is becoming a habit you, ya dense kaffa. Any pics/evidence (plenty have been posted here of her), of any kind to back up the claim that my wife is darker than you?? That would be a NO.
Have you put anything on the table except adhominem?? That would be a NO.

Like I said "this is becoming a habit with you" - this thread is full of facts & figures. What have you brought to the table = fuck all.
Shit, you even got confused looking at the official documentation.

My wife is high caste Gujarati, a niggre is a niggre. Hope this helps.


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Re: Is E-lie Wiesel A Fraud?? his story unravles.............
« Reply #59 on: November 18, 2011, 09:15:35 AM »
FAIL.

This is becoming a habit you dense kaffa. Any pics/evidence (plenty have been posted here of her), of any kind to back up the claim that my wife is darker than you?? That would be a NO.
Have you put anything on the table except adhominem?? That would be a NO.

Like I said "this is becoming a habit with you" - this thread is full of facts & figures. What have you brought to the table = fuck all.
Shit, you even got confused looking at the official documentation.

My wife is high caste Gujarati, a niggre is a niggre. Hope this helps.


PT



EPIC FAIL and EPIC lying.....you posted pics of your wife  a few years ago and she is dark as all hell....come on and get out of your denial..your wife is the very same "Kaffa" that you describe everyone else to be....she's darker than me and certainly darker than a lot of blacks..you go to bed with a black woman every night you dumb-ass fuck...can't you see that???

As for your thread posts, I gave you a lot of credit for coming up with this stuff and I looked at it...you of all people should know that a lot of documents on the internet can be faked..and that maybe some of the ones you showed me could have been faked as well..I am not saying that you faked them, but maybe you found them and they were doctored already....that was my reason for being cautious about supporting your thesis right away...I was not casting aspersions on you....I just wanted time to digest everything and do more research....

EPIC sour grapes that I did not agree with you right away..but again you gave yourself up yet again as to your true nature and true character...you just couldn't help yourself.....which now casts doubt on your entire claim

When the fuck are you going to realize that you are your own worse enemy???..now I'm waiting for your gimmick, W8M8 to show up as "she" usually does and back you up

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Re: Is E-lie Wiesel A Fraud?? his story unravles.............
« Reply #60 on: November 18, 2011, 09:28:11 AM »
EPIC FAIL and EPIC lying.....you posted pics of your wife  a few years ago and she is dark as all hell....come on and get out of your denial..your wife is the very same "Kaffa" that you describe everyone else to be....she's darker than me and certainly darker than a lot of blacks..you go to bed with a black woman every night you dumb-ass fuck...can't you see that???


Sure she is Andy, sure she is.
Her family average IQ, compared to the average subsaharan African IQ (much muffled laughter).

Is that why she comes from a genetic line of academic high achievers?? & your genetic background is what??
No building made of stone, no building above one story, no animal husbandry, no organised farming, when Europeans arrived in Africa in the 1700's that was what we found.
I bet you are proud of your ancestral heritage  ;)

Indians of high caste are NOT niggres, a case in point = Gandhi.

Gandhi left India for the first time on 4 September 1888, when he was about a month shy of his nineteenth birthday, & arrived in London in late October.  Like many other Indians of his class background who were able to equip themselves financially to undertake the expensive sea voyage to Britain, Gandhi sought to get credentialed in law.
Gandhi showed determination & single-minded pursuit of his purpose, & accomplished his objective of finishing his degree from the Inner Temple (yes, he was a barrister, due to sit in the high court of London). He was called to the bar in 1891, &  even enrolled in the High Court of London; but later that year he left for India.

Show me the fucking filthy kaffa who had done the same, we will not hold our collective breath.

Upon arriving in S.Africa he (Gandhi) was disgusted to be treated like a niggre & commented as much in writing.
He had passed the bar, FFS. He had a degree in law from the most prestigious institute of learning on the planet. I can imagine he was disgusted to be treated like a lowly kaffa, wouldn't you be??


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Re: Is E-lie Wiesel A Fraud?? his story unravles.............
« Reply #61 on: November 18, 2011, 09:51:17 AM »
As for your thread posts, I gave you a lot of credit for coming up with this stuff and I looked at it...you of all people should know that a lot of documents on the internet can be faked..and that maybe some of the ones you showed me could have been faked as well..I am not saying that you faked them, but maybe you found them and they were doctored already....that was my reason for being cautious about supporting your thesis right away...I was not casting aspersions on you....I just wanted time to digest everything and do more research....


& if you had seen the originals?? No photoshop, then what?? This is not Obamas birth certificate, you can go look at the originals you fucking dork.

Don't stand on ceremony mate, any time you want to take apart all the posts on page 2 - tick tock.
Fucking spastic, kunt.

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Re: Is E-lie Wiesel A Fraud?? his story unravles.............
« Reply #62 on: November 18, 2011, 12:14:07 PM »
ESTIMATED NUMBER OF JEWS KILLED IN THE FINAL SOLUTION
Country                 Estimated Pre-Final Solution Population Estimated Jewish Population Annihilated  Percent
Poland                    3,300,000                                              3,000,000                                             90
Baltic countries       253,000                                                    228,000                                              90
Germany/Austria      240,000                                                    210,000                                            90
Protectorate           90,000                                                           80,000                                            89
Slovakia                 90,000                                                          75,000                                            83
Greece                    70,000                                                          54,000                                            77
The Netherlands        140,000                                                  105,000                                                75
Hungary                     650,000                                                   450,000                                              70
SSR White Russia       375,000                                                     245,000                                             65
SSR Ukraine*              1,500,000                                                 900,000                                             60
Belgium                    65,000                                                         40,000                                              60
Yugoslavia                 43,000                                                          26,000                                             60
Romania                    600,000                                                          300,000                                         50
Norway                     1,800                                                                       900                                         50
France                       350,000                                                          90,000                                             26
Bulgaria                     64,000                                                       14,000                                                  22
Italy                          40,000                                                      8,000                                                     20
Luxembourg              5,000                                                      1,000                                                        20
Russia (RSFSR)*       975,000                                                      107,000                                                 11
TOTAL                       8,861,800                                                  5,933,900                                                  67

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Re: Is E-lie Wiesel A Fraud?? his story unravles.............
« Reply #63 on: November 18, 2011, 12:17:00 PM »
I have done NO research into Patton at all, he does not interest me.
The claims for the circumstamnces of his death were not made by me, read the thread.

I merely commented on the ease of offing some-body & making it look like an accident. Patton was (from what I gather) making a lot of noise about war crimes committed against the German civilians, by the allies. He was then killed in a car accident (all be it by a drunk driver in this case).
Dead men tell no tales, that is all I was saying.
So I don't need to take a closer look at Patton, as I was making no claims regarding him at all.



Your response implied that there was some nefarious plot to eliminate him.

Hence, my retort.

If you don't care, then I'll simply avoid the thread as I have nothing to really add to it.

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« Reply #64 on: November 18, 2011, 10:40:06 PM »
ESTIMATED NUMBER OF JEWS KILLED IN THE FINAL SOLUTION
Country                 Estimated Pre-Final Solution Population Estimated Jewish Population Annihilated  Percent
Poland                    3,300,000                                              3,000,000                                             90
Baltic countries       253,000                                                    228,000                                              90
Germany/Austria      240,000                                                    210,000                                            90
Protectorate           90,000                                                           80,000                                            89
Slovakia                 90,000                                                          75,000                                            83
Greece                    70,000                                                          54,000                                            77
The Netherlands        140,000                                                  105,000                                                75
Hungary                     650,000                                                   450,000                                              70
SSR White Russia       375,000                                                     245,000                                             65
SSR Ukraine*              1,500,000                                                 900,000                                             60
Belgium                    65,000                                                         40,000                                              60
Yugoslavia                 43,000                                                          26,000                                             60
Romania                    600,000                                                          300,000                                         50
Norway                     1,800                                                                       900                                         50
France                       350,000                                                          90,000                                             26
Bulgaria                     64,000                                                       14,000                                                  22
Italy                          40,000                                                      8,000                                                     20
Luxembourg              5,000                                                      1,000                                                        20
Russia (RSFSR)*       975,000                                                      107,000                                                 11
TOTAL                       8,861,800                                                  5,933,900                                                  67


Blah,blah,blah....................

Now show us how those figures were arrived at...................... .
Perhaps you missed post #40?? World Almanac figures no less.
Feel free to debunk the World Almanac figures - tick tock  ::)

What about the population of Jews?? As Per World Almanac figures, it INCREASED by 584,549 between 1941 and 1948. So, this being the case, where did the 6 Million dead go??


http://www.worldalmanac.com/blog/vital_statistics/

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Re: Is E-lie Wiesel A Fraud?? his story unravles.............
« Reply #65 on: November 18, 2011, 11:23:40 PM »
Blah,blah,blah....................

Now show us how those figures were arrived at...................... .
Perhaps you missed post #40?? World Almanac figures no less.
Feel free to debunk the World Almanac figures - tick tock  ::)
http://www.worldalmanac.com/blog/vital_statistics/

PT

Disclaimer:

Although you are probably beginning to think I make it my goal to post contrasting theories....keep in mind that the first theory is meant mainly as a joke and I am not really being serious here. So, don't get your posing suit in a knot!

What if the few remaining Jews in these countries and elsewhere got really busy and had a dozen kids each? Would this have advanced the recovery of their world population fast enough? Of course, it is the Catholics and not the Jews who were known at this time to have large families.

On the otherhand, these next items could be worth some discussion.

Here is a link to one response to The World Almanac report:

Deceit & Misrepresentation
The Techniques of Holocaust Denial
The World Almanac Gambit

For more go to: http://www.nizkor.org/features/denial-of-science/worldalmanac.html

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/ftp.py?people//m/morris.john/world-almanac

http://www.thebirdman.org/Index/Others/Others-Doc-Jews/+Doc-Jews-Holocaust-TheSixMillion&OtherNumbers/JewishPopulationStats&TheNonexistent6Million.h tm

http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v04/v04p-61_Hankins.html -Very logically presented.

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The World Almanac for 1947, in quoting figures
supplies by the American Jewish Committee
states that the world Jewish population in 1939
was 15,688,259. The New York Times of February
22, 1948, stated that the world Jewish population
ranged from 15,600,000 to 18,700,000, excluding
some 600,000 to 700,000 living in Palestine. How
could the Jewish population have increased so
rapidly after losing six million during World War II?
Walter Sanning, the author of Dissolution of
European Jewry, says that no less than 2,200,000
Jews had emigrated out of Europe leaving 2,847,000
Jews residing there at the height of the German
occupation in June 1941. After the war, 3,375,000
Jews, according to the Red Cross, applied for
holocaust reparations. This figure included many
of the emigrants. Thus, the actual number of those
who died at the camps from all causes ranges
between 150,000 and 300,000.


http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.eckankar/browse_thread/thread/9599bfeeee0a227/45c31d9c86d28410?pli=1


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Re: Is E-lie Wiesel A Fraud?? his story unravles.............
« Reply #66 on: November 19, 2011, 01:07:47 AM »
ONE THIRD of the HOLOHOAX

There are some very interesting points raised in the 1'st 20 mins of this video.


It focuses on Treblinka, Belzec & Sobibor, where the number was allegedly 1.5 million deaths in total.
The film focuses on the major inaccuracies that are found in the official record. If you watch 90 mins of the film (if you can tear yourself away from the latest 90 min blockbuster/the PS3) your head will be spinning after the section on the Nuremberg trials. All of which is backed up with documentation from the actual trial archives found on the Yale university website. So yeah they were doctored  ::)

Main questions: Where did the bodies go?? Is one good example. For those uneducated on this subject, no one has EVER offered a satisfactory explanation for what happened to the Millions of bodies.
& before you post, NO they were NOT burnt or put into mass graves, as you will see in the film (if you manage to watch all of it). So where did they go?? Outer-space

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Re: Is E-lie Wiesel A Fraud?? his story unravles.............
« Reply #67 on: November 19, 2011, 05:45:58 AM »


Here is a link to one response to The World Almanac report:

Deceit & Misrepresentation
The Techniques of Holocaust Denial
The World Almanac Gambit

For more go to: http://www.nizkor.org/features/denial-of-science/worldalmanac.html


You spoiled the joke, FFS.
I knew there was controversy surrounding the world Almanac figures (how could you read as much on this subject & not know that) but I wanted to watch 'generation PS3' get owned by the link/name, generating a voluminous amount of authenticity. You know that none of them would have taken the time to use a search engine & do some reading.
That would take a more mature mind, clearly none of the 'generation PS3' would have achieved that task, so we will strike that point from the record.

Although, they (WAF) are an interesting item to look at. The claims for the figures of 1949 being estimates from 1938 are just that - CLAIMS.
Nothing has been offered up as far as definitive proof for those claims. The only thing on the table thus far seems to be peoples opinions, nothing more.
The world Almanac figures were published after all. The speculation remains restricted to internet blogs, & posts of websites.

Swiss scholar, Jurgen Graf, is just one in a LONG line of many who have been persecuted for looking at the evidence. He has Russian documents recovered from Auschwitz that will bring the official jewish version of the holohoax to it's knees.
Remember the Russian released official record from Auschwitz that stated total dead at 30,000?? Graf, had to leave his home country & live in exile or face a prison sentence for conducting his research. Graf, wrote a book called the "holocaust swindle" (where he looked at the authenticity of the gas chambers) Yet he was charged with writing anti-jewish books (making it sound like he was racist). Freedom of speech - JUST WATCH WHAT YOU SAY (Ice T).

Here I would like to address some points I have missed out. The quotes below being of most importance
I am not a Holocaust denier. However, I find it very interesting that seventy years later whatever happened is still hotly discussed and debated, very often by folks who have no real experience or first hand knowledge of what happened or did not happen.

It is very interesting to consider that most of the folks debating the Holocaust are several generations removed from this time.  the angry Holocaust denier or a Neo-Nazi, almost none of them have any real or relevant connection to the Holocaust or that War.

Why do you suppose people are so passionate about their beliefs then? Is it because someone has done a great job educating/grooming them to feel the way they do?

Well there seem to be a lot of folks here who have made it their mission to either deny the Holocaust happened or defend that it did and rehash all the horrors involved.

I will tell you why I find this subject so valid today. It is because people are still being treated like criminals for trying to look at what happened. When ever I see some-one making a lot of fuss about an issue (putting individuals in prison & bankrupting them), I want to know what is going on. It's a bit like when I was a kid & the BBC banned the Sex Pistols, I wanted to hear "Never mind the Bollox" straight away. Had the BBC not have done that I would have heard the Pistols at some other point & thought "these fuckers can't play for shit (well, Steve Jones being the exception) plus the songs are crap!!" However, the BBC banned them & the rest is history.

When you look at what happens to professors & academics when they go near the subject of the gas chambers, it's no fucking wonder that the evidence is SO DAMN HARD to find in the main stream. You then get spastics from 'generation PS3' (like Tay-tay) making retarded statements, based upon a paradigm & propaganda, that they do not even fully comprehend.
How Ironic, that is was Adolf Hitler & Joseph Goebbels, who perfected propaganda techniques.

Here is a quote of yours from another post that outlines what I am stating as my motivation.


You made a good point about the Holocaust not being ancient history to some folks whose lives continue to be impacted in some way by that time in history. For example Germany continuing to pay restitution.


What about the mindless repetition of what the 'PS3 generation' have heard (hearsay, in a court of law is not admissible evidence). Lets take a look.......
his book is an accurate representation of what life as a jew in the concentration camps was like, regardless of whether he himself ever set foot in one. that is why he won the nobel prize and that is why high school students read it. its authenticity as a first person account is not of the issue when discussing the books value.

I think Holocaust deniers are abhorrent...there is just so much evidence and archival footage to look at of the concentration camps......anyone who says it didn't happen is crazy

oh it was only only 30,000 jews

no big deal then !
who the fuck cares !

despite the fact the number was indeed in the millions.  conspiracy theorists like to ignore facts though.

How many of the 'PS3 generation'  (who make retarded generalisations like the quotes above) know anything about the amount of time spent at the Nuremberg trials, discussing evidence & hearing whiteness testimony regarding the camps?? How many of them know how piss poor the evidence / whiteness testimony regarding the camps was?? NONE OF THEM!! Yet they will write idiotic posts saying "I think Holocaust deniers are abhorrent...there is just so much evidence and archival footage to look at of the concentration camps" - "
his book is an accurate representation of what life as a jew in the concentration camps was like, regardless of whether he himself ever set foot in one.its authenticity as a first person account is not of the issue when discussing the books value." - "despite the fact the number was indeed in the millions.  conspiracy theorists like to ignore facts though. " - Brain dead morons, one & all. Think for your-self, it will not kill you.....

The Nuremberg trials
http://avalon.law.yale.edu/subject_menus/imt.asp

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Re: Is E-lie Wiesel A Fraud?? his story unravles.............
« Reply #69 on: November 20, 2011, 12:55:40 AM »
You spoiled the joke, FFS.
I knew there was controversy surrounding the world Almanac figures (how could you read as much on this subject & not know that) but I wanted to watch 'generation PS3' get owned by the link/name, generating a voluminous amount of authenticity. You know that none of them would have taken the time to use a search engine & do some reading.
That would take a more mature mind, clearly none of the 'generation PS3' would have achieved that task, so we will strike that point from the record.

Although, they (WAF) are an interesting item to look at. The claims for the figures of 1949 being estimates from 1938 are just that CLAIMS.
Nothing has been offered up as far as definitive proof for those claims. The only thing on the table thus far seems to be peoples opinions, nothing more.
The world Almanac figure were published after all. The speculation remains restricted to internet blogs, & posts of websites.

Swiss scholar, Jurgen Graf, is just one in a LONG line of many who have been persecuted for looking at the evidence. He has Russian documents recovered from Auschwitz that will bring the official jewish version of the holohoax to it's knees.
Remember the Russian released official record from Auschwitz that stated total dead at 30,000?? Graf, had to leave his home country & live in exile or face a prison sentence for conducting his research. Graf, wrote a book called the "holocaust swindle" (where he looked at the authenticity of the gas chambers) Yet he was charged with writing anti-jewish books (making it sound like he was racist). Freedom of speech - JUST WATCH WHAT YOU SAY (Ice T).

Here I would like to address some points I have missed out. The quotes below being of most importance
I will tell you why I find this subject so valid today. It is because people are still being treated like criminals for trying to look at what happened. When ever I see some-one making a lot of fuss about an issue (putting individuals in prison & bankrupting them), I want to know what is going on. It's a bit like when I was a kid & the BBC banned the Sex Pistols, I wanted to hear "Never mind the Bollox" straight away. Had the BBC not have done that I would have heard the Pistols at some other point & though these fuckers can't play for shit (well, Steve Jones being the exception) plus the songs are crap!! However, the BBC banned them & the rest is history.

When you look at what happens to professors & academics when they go near the subject of the gas chambers, it's no fucking wonder that the evidence is SO DAMN HARD to find in the main stream. You then get spastics from 'generation PS3' (like Tay-tay) making retarded statements, based upon a paradigm & propaganda, that they do not even fully comprehend.
How Ironic, that is was Adolf Hitler & Joseph Goebbels, who perfected propaganda techniques.

Here is a quote of yours from another post that outlines what I am stating as my motivation.
What about the mindless repetition of what the 'PS3 generation' have heard (hearsay, in a court of law is not admissible evidence). Lets take a look.......
How many of the 'PS3 generation'  (who make retarded generalisations like the quotes above) know anything about the amount of time spent at the Nuremberg trials, discussing evidence & hearing whiteness testimony regarding the camps?? How many of them know how piss poor the evidence / whiteness testimony regarding the camps was?? NONE OF THEM!! Yet they will write idiotic posts saying "I think Holocaust deniers are abhorrent...there is just so much evidence and archival footage to look at of the concentration camps" - "
his book is an accurate representation of what life as a jew in the concentration camps was like, regardless of whether he himself ever set foot in one.its authenticity as a first person account is not of the issue when discussing the books value." - "despite the fact the number was indeed in the millions.  conspiracy theorists like to ignore facts though. " - Brain dead morons, one & all. Think for your-self, it will not kill you.....

The Nuremberg trials
http://avalon.law.yale.edu/subject_menus/imt.asp

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It's late and my contacts are not doing what they are supposed to, so I have double vision. However, such a great post as this one of yours cannot go ignored. Plus, I have very little self-control sometimes and I just hit that reply button before I know what happened. LOL!

I am so out of touch, I had to look up PS3 generation because I didn't know what it meant. Play Station 3 generation....how funny! For some reason, video games never never interested me. -Must be a generational thing. When I was a kid growing up in Southern California, sitting in front of a play station was not an option. In fact, the only time I was able to watch television was when my parents invited me to join them in the living room in the evening after dinner to watch Ed Sullivan or the like. Daytime play was out side riding my horse, swimming in our pool, going to the beach or gardening to earn some pocket money. On the rare rainy day, I read. Not that I was abused as such. In fact, I was fairly spoiled, being as how I was an only child.

It is fascinating how anyone today can suggest Elie Wiesel wrote an accurate account of what happened at Auschwitz unless they are comparing what he penned to their own first hand experience at Auschwitz. Clearly, there are few people who have that experience and it is pretty safe to assume those people aren't posting on Getbig forums. Like you, I often question what is said or written. Maybe I am suspicious by nature, but when someone protests vehemently, it raises my suspicions. Also, I believe there are many versions of the truth which often depend on ones personal perspective and past experiences.

I have not yet read the information in the link you provided because, like I said, it is late and my eyes aren't working well. However, I will do this tommorrow.

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Re: Is E-lie Wiesel A Fraud?? his story unravles.............
« Reply #70 on: November 20, 2011, 01:52:43 AM »
http://player.vimeo.com/video/32309865?title=0&byline=0&portrait=0

The Australian scientists took core samples from the alleged death camp & the surrounding areas, then proceeded to go over the entire area with GPR. What did they find?? NOTHING AT ALL!! The ground had not been disturbed (dug up), there was no evidence of any bodies or ash from fires (GPR & core samples were taken) so all the eye whiteness testimony from Treblinka, has been proven 100% conclusively to have been falsified.

How many more of the alleged survivors of the holohoax are going to be proved to be LIARS?? All those killed at Treblinka, were killed by a (Russian Tank) Diesel engine exhaust, WTF!! That claim alone should make people ask huge questions, & a bunch of them.
Diesel exhaust, huh?? The Germans would have used that wouldn't they, as they were known for being sloppy. But not just any Diesel engine was used (German ones were not up to the task) a captured Russian tank engine was used, Jesus fucking crist!! That would have been easy to get spare parts for, yeah, Just call up Stalin on the hot line "er, what up dog?? Listen, we are trying to off just shy of a Million jews & our T24 engine has packed up, can you send us a tonne of spares??" Utterly fucking preposterous.
If the Third Reich had decided to dispatch millions of people it would have been a production line that displayed uniformity, precision & efficiency. Diesel engine's indeed. At least the Zyclon B gas story was possible.

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Re: Is E-lie Wiesel A Fraud?? his story unravles.............
« Reply #71 on: November 20, 2011, 02:17:59 AM »


I have not yet read the information in the link you provided because, like I said, it is late and my eyes aren't working well. However, I will do this tommorrow.

The link I posted is to the Yale university website, or more specifically the transcripts for the Nuremberg trials, which you will find there. I used the site because otherwise the 'PS3 generation' will claim the transcripts have been doctored (I would like to see them claim that, when they are hosted on the Yale university site). However, unless you want to read the entire trial worth of transcripts, you have to know what to look for.

My suggestion is to go to the film I posted (#67) & click on 30mins in, then watch the next 15 mins. You will never think the same way about WWII again!! The narrator looks at the transcripts using the Yale site also, & outlines a few things that I GRANTEE you are NOT aware of.

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Re: Is E-lie Wiesel A Fraud?? his story unravles.............
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Re: Is E-lie Wiesel A Fraud?? his story unravles.............
« Reply #73 on: November 21, 2011, 05:29:50 PM »
The Holocaust never happened - E-kul approved  ;D
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« Reply #74 on: November 21, 2011, 07:25:18 PM »
The Holocaust never happened - E-kul approved  ;D

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