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Machida was doing GREAT and outstriking Jones in the first round and at one point he was rocked so badly he almost slept. So in the second round, Jones realizes that he would lose a decision if it went a 5 round striking battle, so he uses his superior strength to simply grab Lyoto and chokes him out like a pig in the slaughterhouse. This guy is a heavyweight and is simply too physically powerful to be dealt with by anyone at the light-heavyweight division.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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to be honest..I felt machida was doing a good game plan by having jones chase him then quick strike ...but right as I was going to post that...jones took him down....machida lost a lot of energy getting on his feet...that killed him.
After that take down it was all down hill for lyoto.
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SMM stfu. Youre sucha jones hater it's not even funny. And he was never almost out in the fight at all. He got tagged and it barely phased him.
Your hate for Jones is unreal.
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nice strangle
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Mir destroyed Nog's right humerus
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http://www.bonefractures.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/humerus-fracture-midshaft.jpg
this is the type of injury
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http://www.bonefractures.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/humerus-fracture-midshaft.jpg
this is the type of injury
Too bad Mir is such a coke head.
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SMM stfu. Youre sucha jones hater it's not even funny. And he was never almost out in the fight at all. He got tagged and it barely phased him.
Your hate for Jones is unreal.
Fuck you. Jon Jones is a coward who beats on smaller guys. Do you really think he is 205 lbs on fight day? He looks to be at least 240 lbs, and all of it is solid muscle. He has shoulders like an oarsman and pecs like a bodybuilder on sauce and he is 6'4. And yes, he did get rocked.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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jones looks 230
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Fuck you. Jon Jones is a coward who beats on smaller guys. Do you really think he is 205 lbs on fight day? He looks to be at least 240 lbs, and all of it is solid muscle. He has shoulders like an oarsman and pecs like a bodybuilder on sauce and he is 6'4. And yes, he did get rocked.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
wtf are you smoking bro, cause i want some
he is skinny as fuck
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Fuck you. Jon Jones is a coward who beats on smaller guys. Do you really think he is 205 lbs on fight day? He looks to be at least 240 lbs, and all of it is solid muscle. He has shoulders like an oarsman and pecs like a bodybuilder on sauce and he is 6'4. And yes, he did get rocked.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
They all weigh more than 205 on fight day. If he can make the weight for 205 then how is he a coward? Making weight is part of the sport.
and yes you're right Jones did get rocked.
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They all weigh more than 205 on fight day.
My point is that Machida is much closer to 205 lbs than Jones. I have seen pictures of Jones training shirtless when he is 250 lbs, and he looks almost exactly like he does in the cage. Also, Jones is pure muscle compared to most fighters in his division, who not only are much closer to 205 lbs than he is, but also have more bodyfat. So not only is Jones bigger, but more of that size is muscle.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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did not know mir is a cocaine user
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My point is that Machida is much closer to 205 lbs than Jones. I have seen pictures of Jones training shirtless when he is 250 lbs, and he looks almost exactly like he does in the cage. Also, Jones is pure muscle compared to most fighters in his division, who not only are much closer to 205 lbs than he is, but also have more bodyfat. So not only is Jones bigger, but more of that size is muscle.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Seriously making weight and fighting re hydrated is as much of the game plan as the actual fight strategy, if Machida is so disadvantaged he should go down to middle and fight where another guy who uses the weight prep strategy rules Anderson Silva, and as for 250, I doubt Jones cuts more than 25lbs to make weight probably less as he has fought 4 times this year what would be the point of blowing up and down so much, i seem to recall him saying he walks around at about 225.
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SMM stfu. Youre sucha jones hater it's not even funny. And he was never almost out in the fight at all. He got tagged and it barely phased him.
Your hate for Jones is unreal.
nah jones was never out of the fight but he was getting outstruck...he was alittle hurt in one of the exchanges..he didn't want to stand anymore with machida that was for sure
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so what if jones is a natural heavyweight fighting at light heavy boo fukn hoo
size only goes so far in a fight and if you dont have the skills to get over 10 to 15kg weight difference than you are not a good fighter.
look how many legendary fighter who fought heavier and taller opponents (sam langford, joe gans, joe walcot) and they all succeded why?
its called skill.
plus in mma there is a million ways to finish an opponent.
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Just watched the full card.
Gutted
I could almost hear Jones' ego inflate some more. Machida gave him a better go than i thought, i was rooting for him. This result was just a kick in the teeth after Nog losing to Mir. Good on Big Nog though, says a lot when you've got to break a guys arm to make him tap.
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so what if jones is a natural heavyweight fighting at light heavy boo fukn hoo
size only goes so far in a fight and if you dont have the skills to get over 10 to 15kg weight difference than you are not a good fighter.
look how many legendary fighter who fought heavier and taller opponents (sam langford, joe gans, joe walcot) and they all succeded why?
its called skill.
plus in mma there is a million ways to finish an opponent.
^this^
not a "bust"...everyone with a brain saw Bones winning in convincing fashion
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Machida was doing GREAT and outstriking Jones in the first round and at one point he was rocked so badly he almost slept. So in the second round, Jones realizes that he would lose a decision if it went a 5 round striking battle, so he uses his superior strength to simply grab Lyoto and chokes him out like a pig in the slaughterhouse. This guy is a heavyweight and is simply too physically powerful to be dealt with by anyone at the light-heavyweight division.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
whoa-----I didn't know that Dave Meltzer posted on Getbig
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^this^
not a "bust"...everyone with a brain saw Bones winning in convincing fashion
oh, and Kevin Iole apparently posts here as well
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Too bad Mir is such a coke head.
oh, and here's Zach Arnold
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Do anymore writers for "The observer" or "Fight Opinion" post on here that I don't know about?
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^this^
not a "bust"...everyone with a brain saw Bones winning in convincing fashion
It's not difficult winning in convincing fashion when your opponent has the physique of a seventh grader compared to you.
And no, this win was far from impressive. Jones was getting clearly outstriken by a man with half his lean body mass and then he used his superior strength to just choke Machida out. Not impressive at all. You are clearly stupid.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Dear Mr. Meltzer and Mr. Alvarez,
I'm writing you this email to let you know that I am will unsubscribe to "The Observer".
I have enjoyed all your MMA coverage and editorials over the years but will now be getting my MMA news from Getbig
Thank you
JNN
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It's not difficult winning in convincing fashion when your opponent has the physique of a seventh grader compared to you.
And no, this win was far from impressive. Jones was getting clearly outstriken by a man with half his lean body mass and then he used his superior strength to just choke Machida out. Not impressive at all. You are clearly stupid.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
::)
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Dear Mr. Ranallo,
I have enjoyed your work commentating for several years and felt that you were like the "Gordon Solie" of MMA
However, I think you should step down from all your positions and be replaced by one "Benny B" from the Getbig weightlifting forum
Thank you
jnn
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It's not difficult winning in convincing fashion when your opponent has the physique of a seventh grader compared to you.
And no, this win was far from impressive. Jones was getting clearly outstriken by a man with half his lean body mass and then he used his superior strength to just choke Machida out. Not impressive at all. You are clearly stupid.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Maybe he needs to up his intake of Kangaroo meat.
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I like Jon Jones. A gifted human. Might be unbeatable at 205. However his stand up did not look good last night. Last nights fight made it clear to me that Jones would not escape the first round if he had to face Junior Dos Santos.
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It looked like it was gonna be a really interesting match until the second round , man Jones is exceptional talent
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Fucking awesome. It went from machida actually landing something to the most embarising loss ever. Out cold like a sack of shit. Jones once again Owning and Destroying the veterans. Might be "the most dangerous man in the world" at 24yr old.
He has also proved he can take a hit. And stay calm under pressure.
Rashad is left. Then the division is cleaned out.
Jones needs a break now though. No one has beaten this many good guys this fast ever.
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It looked like it was gonna be a really interesting match until the second round , man Jones is exceptional talent
It's easy to be an "exceptional talent" when you are 6'4 and your opponents have the physiques of seventh graders compared to you.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Fucking awesome. It went from machida actually landing something to the most embarising loss ever. Out cold like a sack of shit. Jones once again Owning and Destroying the veterans. Might be "the most dangerous man in the world" at 24yr old.
He has also proved he can take a hit. And stay calm under pressure.
Rashad is left. Then the division is cleaned out.
Jones needs a break now though. No one has beaten this many good guys this fast ever.
machida's loss was not embarassing. He did not tap. He was basically saying "this is my shot at the title, I dont care if I cant breathe... Im not going to quit; Im not tapping"
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machida's loss was not embarassing. He did not tap. He was basically saying "this is my shot at the title, I dont care if I cant breathe... Im not going to quit; Im not tapping"
Its not embarrassing because of anything machida Did.. it just Looks embarrassing the way he fell etc... Not a "fun" way to lose in thats for sure.
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-XAk3gJ1vuzM/TuQtfk_HCqI/AAAAAAAAGsg/FGA4xr0lCtE/s1600/8.gif)
LIKE A BOSS. Would have been funnier with rampage though
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I just watched the fight... Jon Jones is the best at the moment.
He has been training mma since the beginning. All these older guys have been doing karate, kickboxing, muay thai in the beginning and then try to put it in mma.
But if you train only mma from the beginning we get fighters like jon jones, complete packages. I think mma will be a force to reckon in 10 years with very talented athletes and fighters like jon jones.
Machida lost honorobly, it would've been embarrasing for him to tap out. He went out like a true warrior he is, win or die trying attitude. He didn't lose anything but the fight, and it can happend to anybody. But losing your pride is much worse than losing the fight or losing your health.
Jon Jones is the best.
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I just watched the fight... Jon Jones is the best at the moment.
He has been training mma since the beginning.
what do you mean? hes a wrestler that started with mma.. only 4 years in.
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what do you mean? hes a wrestler that started with mma.. only 4 years in.
lol its like I have heard jon mention something like that in one interview, guess I'm wrong.
but anyway he seems like an "mma" type of fighter not a "I transfer all the hokkus pokkus styles into mma" type of fighter.
Still regardless, he's the best.
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greg jackson telling jones to check on machida to gain some fans hahahahah
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lol its like I have heard jon mention something like that in one interview, guess I'm wrong.
but anyway he seems like an "mma" type of fighter not a "I transfer all the hokkus pokkus styles into mma" type of fighter.
Still regardless, he's the best.
"Before beginning his MMA career, Jones was a stand-out high school wrestler and state champion.[14] He won a national JUCO championship at Iowa Central Community College.[14] After transferring to Morrisville State College[15] he decided to drop out of college where he was studying Criminal Justice, to begin his MMA career.[16]"
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"Before beginning his MMA career, Jones was a stand-out high school wrestler and state champion.[14] He won a national JUCO championship at Iowa Central Community College.[14] After transferring to Morrisville State College[15] he decided to drop out of college where he was studying Criminal Justice, to begin his MMA career.[16]"
well anyway ;D . Seems to me jon jones is the future.
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greg jackson telling jones to check on machida to gain some fans hahahahah
Yeah, that right there shows what Jon Jones is all about, faker than a bodybuilders tan! Fucking god botherer Jones is such a hypocrite, I see him as a cold individual, not somebody who fights with the true martial arts spirit as he thinks he does. Doesn't have the common human decency to think to check on his opponent after he choked him out, no respect for his opponent, and no respect for the sport, he actually had to be advised the human thing to do, What would Jesus say. I will enjoy the fall of this pissant. He reminds me of when Tiger Woods was rising, his arrogance and ignorance rubbed all the current crop of pros the wrong way.
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It's easy to be an "exceptional talent" when you are 6'4 and your opponents have the physiques of seventh graders compared to you.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Dear Mr. Quadros...............
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completely agree and its pretty much true for champions of the other weight classes too.
GSP so much stronger and more muscular than everyone else in WW division.
Anderson silva could easily fight at 205
faber will pretty much dominate featherweight div soon enough due to his body composition
there also needs to be a division between heavyweight and light heavys as people like cain, fedor etc cant hang with giants like ubereem and co.....
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lol butthurt people keep being butthurt. Jon was respectful before the fight. leading up to the fight. When he talked after the fight. press conferense. But my GOD if he did what his coach asked him to do hes fake. Funny ;D Coach probably didnt lik the boos jon was getting and was trying to help him out. which isn't needed. Some people will like you and some wont.
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lol butthurt people keep being butthurt. Jon was respectful before the fight. leading up to the fight. When he talked after the fight. press conferense. But my GOD if he did what his coach asked him to do hes fake. Funny ;D Coach probably didnt lik the boos jon was getting and was trying to help him out. which isn't needed. Some people will like you and some wont.
Your Idol JON JONES IS A NARC and he admits it
If you ever find yourself lighting a nicely rolled doobie on the streets of Denver, Colorado (only because it's legal there) and you see Jon Jones in the distance (spinning back-elbowing a mailbox or something), be sure to walk the other way. If Jon 'Bones' Jones catches you with herb, dude will snitch on you. In an interview with Sherdog, Jones admits that he's 'always the kid who snitched on other kids who had pot'. Dammit Bones, dammit.
I was studying criminal justice and I wanted to be a law enforcement officer in my hometown. Endicott, New York, man. I thought it would be so cool to be a hometown police officer.I've always been a person who tries to do the right thing in life, for the most part. I'm no angel, but I was always the kid who snitched on the kids who had pot. I don't want to offend the pot smokers out there, but I was kind of just a snitch. I was just down for people doing the right thing. My parents kind of raised me to be a good guy. I've always been down for the good side, I guess.
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Maybe he needs to up his intake of Kangaroo meat.
LOL
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In an interview with Sherdog,
BWAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAH HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAH HAHAHAH
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JJ is never going to lose a fight at 205. He will retire undefeated and then move to HW.
And even though he is an arrogant fucker, you have to admire his greatness. The way he dropped Machida when he was done with him was classic!
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I have a 11 year old nephew and even he doesn't get his MMA news from Sherdog
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Your Idol JON JONES IS A NARC and he admits it
Calm the fuck down lol. Jones is rumored to snitch on someone, or Said that he would? as in not even have? So he said he would do what he law states? Makes sense considiring what he wanted to become. It's a shame, sure, he might have to learn more about the subject in hand. Doesn't change the fact that hes the best in the world at 24 and makes a Shitload more sense when he talks compared to 99% of other 24yr olds thats for sure. No one is perfect. So deep breaths and Relax.
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btw, all meme'ing aside, Swede is one of the handful of people on this forum who i trust for MMA opinions
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basically ufc fighters need to start employing bodybuilders as their 'strength and conditioning' coaches....oh no wait.... that wouldnt be 'functional strength' ::)
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basically ufc fighters need to start employing bodybuilders as their 'strength and conditioning' coaches....oh no wait.... that wouldnt be 'functional strength' ::)
not to shit on coach but has he ever fought competitively?
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Calm the fuck down lol. Jones is rumored to snitch on someone, or Said that he would? as in not even have? So he said he would do what he law states? Makes sense considiring what he wanted to become. It's a shame, sure, he might have to learn more about the subject in hand. Doesn't change the fact that hes the best in the world at 24 and makes a Shitload more sense when he talks compared to 99% of other 24yr olds thats for sure. No one is perfect. So deep breaths and Relax.
I'd fight that cun+ Jones no worries - For Free - I would bite that cun+s nose off - this dude deserves a beating
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btw, all meme'ing aside, Swede is one of the handful of people on this forum who i trust for MMA opinions
I dont understand what you mean by the "meme"ing. I know what a meme is, still doesn't make sense.
And thank you.
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I dont understand what you mean by the "meme"ing. I know what a meme is, still doesn't make sense.
Dear Mr. Ranallo.........
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JJ is never going to lose a fight at 205.
Yeah, although Shogun at 100% would have a puncher's chance...
He will retire undefeated and then move to HW.
JDS would rip his head off and send it flying 100 feet off the octagon...
And even though he is an arrogant fucker, you have to admire his greatness.
Let's see how great he truly is when he is fighting guys who are also 6'4 and 240+ lbs and who he can't outreach....then I will give him props.
The way he dropped Machida when he was done with him was classic!
Yeah, that was brutal. One of the most poignant wins in MMA history ever.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Cant believe people actually thought Machida had a chance in hell in this fight lol. Jones took him out with relative ease, just like he did the rest of the elite LHWs- no effort at all. Unless another 6'5" heavyweight comes down to 205 to challenge him, I dont see anyone beating this giant bully.
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jon jones is SSOOoooooo super meaaaaaaaaan :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
sheeeeeeesh!!!!
More power to jon jones, he is the elite, the best athlete, the best fighter. boom, there you go!
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Yeah, although Shogun at 100% would have a puncher's chance...
JDS would rip his head off and send it flying 100 feet off the octagon...
Let's see how great he truly is when he is fighting guys who are also 6'4 and 240+ lbs and who he can't outreach....then I will give him props.
Yeah, that was brutal. One of the most poignant wins in MMA history ever.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Dear person responsible for hiring MMA Journalists for FOX sports..........
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I mean you only need to listen to Jones talk, to know that he is an idiot. I mean who says crap like this. Jones Quote "I would get rid of the replica belts ... I hate it when people come up to me with a belt that looks exactly like mine and they ask me to sign it. I worked three times a day for three years to get this [light heavyweight championship] belt, and now this guy asking me for an autograph has one just like it. Are you serious? I mean it’s not as heavy, but it looks just the same. I never sign those belts."He is actually serious, if he was saying this as a joke, it would be funny, but this fucktard is serious HA HA
What a pious, deluded egomaniac
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He adressed that at the press conferense right afterwards. But since you love to hate all day Im sure you missed it lol.
Thats enough responses to stupidity though from my part. Team positivity baby!
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I mean you only need to listen to Jones talk, to know that he is an idiot. I mean who says crap like this.
"UFC Champion" before actually defeating Shogun for the belt as well as a recent interview in which Jones said he hates UFC belts sold at toy stores because it diminishes the value of his own belt which he had to work long and hard for.
What a pious, deluded egomaniac
he said that :D ?
hahahaha
man I need to get more into jon jones interviews... if this is true then he is one dumb ass. But ofcourse as Rashad said, when you on the rise and been told you are the greatest thing since jesus christ your ego might go beyond belief.
but regardless that is really stupid thing to say imo.
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I mean you only need to listen to Jones talk, to know that he is an idiot. I mean who says crap like this. Jones Quote "I would get rid of the replica belts ... I hate it when people come up to me with a belt that looks exactly like mine and they ask me to sign it. I worked three times a day for three years to get this [light heavyweight championship] belt, and now this guy asking me for an autograph has one just like it. Are you serious? I mean it’s not as heavy, but it looks just the same. I never sign those belts."He is actually serious, if he was saying this as a joke, it would be funny, but this fucktard is serious HA HA
What a pious, deluded egomaniac
you get this gem from Sherdog as well, Mr. Meltzer?
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lots of potential posts in this thread but if they are all mutated bullshit rumors from the real truth then I r dissapoint.
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you get this gem from Sherdog as well, Mr. Meltzer?
Urijah Faber and Jon “Bones” Jones are two of the great forces in mixed martial arts. When K-Swiss had their four-day shoot to restart their awesome Kenny Powers “MFCEO” campaign, With Leather’s Josh Zerkle was invited to check it out and spend time with the athletes supporting the California-based shoe brand. Faber and Jones sat down seperately with Zerkle, among others, in a roundtable discussion last month to share their thoughts on their sport and being part of the K-Swiss campaign.
If you could change one thing in MMA, what would it be?
JONES: It’s a silly one. I would get rid of the replica belts.
Like the ones they sell at the events?
JONES: Yeah. I hate it when people come up to me with a belt that looks exactly like mine and they ask me to sign it. I worked three times a day for three years to get this [light heavyweight championship] belt, and now this guy asking me for an autograph has one just like it. Are you serious? I mean it’s not as heavy, but it looks just the same.
I like that. I don’t think it’s silly at all.
JONES: I never sign those belts.
Really? I’m sure that goes over very well.
JONES: Yeah. It’s personal.
There’s really not much UFC fighters can license in terms of memorabilia. You have your gloves and your trunks and that’s about it.
JONES: Yeah, UFC has everything. They have our name, they have our video game rights, they have our toy rights, poster rights. They have everything. Can’t I wear my own gloves? But yeah, I’ll sign anything if they’ll ask me. Gloves. Shirts. Boobs.
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It's easy to be an "exceptional talent" when you are 6'4 and your opponents have the physiques of seventh graders compared to you.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
6'4" ??
Arlovski is 6'4"
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Jones 2011 =
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_XgUh-2vXAbs/TU4lE2po5vI/AAAAAAAABC8/8oiQiK2wsnQ/s1600/5.gif)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-XZr9zj_3YOQ/TYWJI9CWmQI/AAAAAAAAB6Y/q-DLBOr7hnM/s1600/15.gif)
(rampage has never been submitted before and not stopped since 2005)
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-zKXQiH3GPj8/Tn6f0Tm04eI/AAAAAAAAFFk/g7BmxVDFBww/s1600/12.gif)
(machida has never been submitted before)
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-XAk3gJ1vuzM/TuQtfk_HCqI/AAAAAAAAGsg/FGA4xr0lCtE/s1600/8.gif)
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I really respect the fact Machida lost consciousness rather than tap. That's heart right there, i was disgusted when Rampage tapped after gifting Jones his back.
Jones' greatest strength is probably his knowledge of his own weaknesses. Aside from catching them with one of his spinning elbows or a good knee, he's not gonna ko an opponent. He uses his gibbon-esque reach well and clinches, and as long as he can continue to do that and doesn't come against an opponent with Machida's striking and real 1-punch ko power nobody's gonna take that belt from him. Which kills me.
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I really respect the fact Machida lost consciousness rather than tap. That's heart right there, i was disgusted when Rampage tapped after gifting Jones his back.
I said the same. He didn't lose anything in that fight except the title shot itself, and that's all. Pride lives on!
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Machida was doing GREAT and outstriking Jones in the first round and at one point he was rocked so badly he almost slept. So in the second round, Jones realizes that he would lose a decision if it went a 5 round striking battle, so he uses his superior strength to simply grab Lyoto and chokes him out like a pig in the slaughterhouse. This guy is a heavyweight and is simply too physically powerful to be dealt with by anyone at the light-heavyweight division.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
He is not yet a heavyweight.
You always say this.
As long as he easily makes 205....he's a light heavy!!
Give him his dues!!!!
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MMA world is in danger because two faced liar Jones is getting all hyped up on himself.
SuckMyMucle - do you think you can drop from 260+ to 205 and shut Jones up?
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Fuck you. Jon Jones is a coward who beats on smaller guys. Do you really think he is 205 lbs on fight day? He looks to be at least 240 lbs, and all of it is solid muscle. He has shoulders like an oarsman and pecs like a bodybuilder on sauce and he is 6'4. And yes, he did get rocked.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Looool you are a HATER! Too many flaws in your irrational hatred!
Please tell me who walks around at the bodyweight that they compete at. Who in the UFC weighs the same on fight night as they do at the weigh on?
No one!!
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I'll say this once more, if Anderson Silva felt like it, he could gain 15 pounds and dismantle Jones' bones.
"1"
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Ultimate weight-cutting championship
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I'll say this once more, if Anderson Silva felt like it, he could gain 15 pounds and dismantle Jones' bones.
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anderson silva walks around at around 230 if im not misstaken. Jon jones walks around at around 230 If im not misstaken forest griffin is around 240-250 if im not misstaken, rampage is around 240-250 if Im not misstaken.
etc etc etc jones isn't the heaviest 202'r which for some reason people here think.
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SMM stfu. Youre sucha jones hater it's not even funny. And he was never almost out in the fight at all. He got tagged and it barely phased him.
Your hate for Jones is unreal.
exactly bro....
jones was never in danger in this fight.... those karate chops did not hurt him....
machida, never had a chance.... i watched the fight at a friends house.. i live in brasil, city of Belem where Machida lives.. lol!
i told my friends, you guys are gonna cry tonight... Machida will get killed...
brazilians are a happy people, but yesterday i saw some sad individuals lol!
btw i am not a jones fan! but the guy is a hell of a fighter!
beat all the top guys .... in a row! gotta respect that ....
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hahah hes no jonsay falcon in the cage
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Machida was doing GREAT and outstriking Jones in the first round and at one point he was rocked so badly he almost slept. So in the second round, Jones realizes that he would lose a decision if it went a 5 round striking battle, so he uses his superior strength to simply grab Lyoto and chokes him out like a pig in the slaughterhouse. This guy is a heavyweight and is simply too physically powerful to be dealt with by anyone at the light-heavyweight division.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Agreed-hope he moves upo
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http://www.bonefractures.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/humerus-fracture-midshaft.jpg
this is the type of injury
I had that injury a year ago...only mine was abit further up the bone and the ends were so far apart they had to cut me open and put a plate and screws in. I'm still having issues with my hand from the nerve damage.
Gonna be a tough rehab for Big Nog...
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Saku RNC Jackson in PRIDE
Here is Nog's right arm from Mir Ude Garami
http://c442104.r4.cf2.rackcdn.com//2011/12/Big-Nog-Arm-Xray-UFC.jpg
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Saku RNC Jackson in PRIDE
I stand corrected. Once in his career back in 2001 =)
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It may have been a work I am not sure
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It may have been a work I am not sure
Im pretty sure I have heard rampage say hes never been submitted before. Might have heard wrong though.
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http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/mma.cfm?go=video.detail&gid=172398
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http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/mma.cfm?go=video.detail&gid=172398
never been stopped/submitted in the Ufc might have been what he said. Just once before makes it very impressive either way however.
"2002-07-14 Win France Cyril Abidi K-1 World Grand Prix 2002 in Fukuoka, Japan KO (Punch) 1 1:55"
havent seen that fight
"I remember an interview where Jackson said he used the K-1 video game to train for this guy." lol
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I just remember it it could have been a work though like Saku versus Kevin
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Agreed-hope he moves upo
he wont move up, Dana wont let him. Jones is at 205 for a reason, to keep Brazilians at 205 from holding the belt. UFC cant have 3 foreign title holders in the org.
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jones and silva are amazing
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he wont move up, Dana wont let him. Jones is at 205 for a reason, to keep Brazilians at 205 from holding the belt. UFC cant have 3 foreign title holders in the org.
They already have 3 brasilians as champions. Junior dos Santos is Heavyweight champ, Anderson SIlva is Middleweight champ Jose Aldo is Featherweight Champ, and And as far as foreign, Georges St Pierre is Canadian and hes Welterweight.
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Too bad Mir is such a coke head.
I never knew that was his problem but it makes since he very seldom performs to his potential. Even some of his best wins where off of kinda hell mary submissions in bad postions. He seems to have no desire or heart at times.
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Mir is my favorite fighter, but I agree that he relies on his natural talent instaed of hard training to get into shape before fights. I think a motivated Mir could beat anyone in the heavyweight division on a given night.
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Jones was completely exposed in this fight. Machida won the first round 10-9 according to the judges score cards. He was also winning the second round until the moment Jones strangled him like a pig in a slaughter house.
Jones' size, power and reach are simply too much for any light-heavyweight to handle. The guy is as tall as Overeem and his frame is even wider!
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Jones was completely exposed in this fight. Machida won the first round 10-9 according to the judges score cards. He was also winning the second round until the moment Jones strangled him like a pig in a slaughter house.
Jones' size, power and reach are simply too much for any light-heavyweight to handle. The guy is as tall as Overeem and his frame is even wider!
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Theres nothing left for him at that weight, hes taken out the 3 best LHWs in a row so easily. Its time he mans up and fights where he is supposed to, or we're going to keep seeing these brutal unfair freak show beatdowns.
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Jones was completely exposed in this fight. Machida won the first round 10-9 according to the judges score cards. He was also winning the second round until the moment Jones strangled him like a pig in a slaughter house.
Jones' size, power and reach are simply too much for any light-heavyweight to handle. The guy is as tall as Overeem and his frame is even wider!
SUCKMYMUSCLE
You've gotta be the world's biggest MMA twink. You're such a hater on Jones it's pathetic. He CREAMED Machida. He was never hurt. And he showed he has a somewhat of a chin. Then he put to sleep your brazilian karate master. I bet you cried SMM.
They should start a "largest frame" division. Or perhaps "most giant reach" class. What about "biggest hater" class for SMM?
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You've gotta be the world's biggest MMA twink. You're such a hater on Jones it's pathetic. He CREAMED Machida. He was never hurt. And he showed he has a somewhat of a chin. Then he put to sleep your brazilian karate master. I bet you cried SMM.
They should start a "largest frame" division. Or perhaps "most giant reach" class. What about "biggest hater" class for SMM?
STFU f.aggot. Not hard beating your opponents when you are over 6'4 with clavicles as wide as an oarsman's and 240+ lbs of lean muscle and they are typical LHWs under 6'3 with medium frames and around 200 lbs.
And Machida won the first round 10-9 according to the judges, and was winning round 2 10-9 as well until Jones grabbed Machida and strangled him like a pig in a slaughter house. Jones was exposed in this fight.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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STFU f.aggot. Not hard beating your opponents when you are over 6'4 with clavicles as wide as an oarsman's and 240+ lbs of lean muscle and they are typical LHWs under 6'3 with medium frames and around 200 lbs.
And Machida won the first round 10-9 according to the judges, and was winning round 2 10-9 as well until Jones grabbed Machida and strangled him like a pig in a slaughter house. Jones was exposed in this fight.SUCKMYMUSCLE
Jones was exposed? For what, being able to take a good, solid shot and not be phased?
And there is NO WAY he has 240 lbs of LEAN MUSCLE at fight time. If he weighs in at 205 lean, how does one put back on 35+ pounds of muscle before the fight. If he's truly 240+ pounds of lean muscle, there is no way he cuts 35 pounds. If he's already lean at 240 as you claim, he'd have a hard time dropping that much. You should know this.
You're a complete moron twink.
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Don't be upset that your boys got crushed by Americanos.
Mir rips off Nog's arm.
Bones puts Machida to sleep.
Classic American ownage of the Brazilians at it's finest.
What say you SMM? ;D ;D
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Saku RNC Jackson in PRIDE
Here is Nog's right arm from Mir Ude Garami
http://c442104.r4.cf2.rackcdn.com//2011/12/Big-Nog-Arm-Xray-UFC.jpg
He could have lost from a tap,but no.....the warrior lost from getting his arm rubber banded behind him..!? Some people are just plain stupid.
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STFU f.aggot. Not hard beating your opponents when you are over 6'4 with clavicles as wide as an oarsman's and 240+ lbs of lean muscle and they are typical LHWs under 6'3 with medium frames and around 200 lbs.
And Machida won the first round 10-9 according to the judges, and was winning round 2 10-9 as well until Jones grabbed Machida and strangled him like a pig in a slaughter house. Jones was exposed in this fight.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
LOL.. This is fighting SM.. It takes a few rds.to figure out your opponent.. To say Machida exposed Jones,then in the same breath Jones won because he was too big is plain crazy talk.. They were both trying to get in the groove,once Machida hit Jones,the fight changed.. Jones was no longer worried about Machida's power,took him down,stood him up,and made him go night night.. I like Machida,but could not have cared any less if he won..Jones is going to be around a very,very long time.. He is a gifted athlete,and his size makes it a little easier to win fights,but he has not taken any easy fights. He's intelligent and patient. He's running through guys that have cleaned up the division,and makes it look easy..
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LOL.. This is fighting SM.. It takes a few rds.to figure out your opponent.. To say Machida exposed Jones,then in the same breath Jones won because he was too big is plain crazy talk.. They were both trying to get in the groove,once Machida hit Jones,the fight changed.. Jones was no longer worried about Machida's power,took him down,stood him up,and made him go night night.. I like Machida,but could not have cared any less if he won..Jones is going to be around a very,very long time.. He is a gifted athlete,and his size makes it a little easier to win fights,but he has not taken any easy fights. He's intelligent and patient. He's running through guys that have cleaned up the division,and makes it look easy..
Good post.
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LOL.. This is fighting SM.. It takes a few rds.to figure out your opponent.. To say Machida exposed Jones,then in the same breath Jones won because he was too big is plain crazy talk.. They were both trying to get in the groove,once Machida hit Jones,the fight changed.. Jones was no longer worried about Machida's power,took him down,stood him up,and made him go night night.. I like Machida,but could not have cared any less if he won..Jones is going to be around a very,very long time.. He is a gifted athlete,and his size makes it a little easier to win fights,but he has not taken any easy fights. He's intelligent and patient. He's running through guys that have cleaned up the division,and makes it look easy..
Bingo.
And that was a pretty flush punch my Machida.
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Saying Machida has the body of a seventh grader isn't really giving him any kind of compliment. ::)
Jones is just utter destruction when he gets in the cage. Machida didn't have a chance. After that first punch, it was all over for Machida.
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Jones was exposed? For what, being able to take a good, solid shot and not be phased?
And there is NO WAY he has 240 lbs of LEAN MUSCLE at fight time. If he weighs in at 205 lean, how does one put back on 35+ pounds of muscle before the fight. If he's truly 240+ pounds of lean muscle, there is no way he cuts 35 pounds. If he's already lean at 240 as you claim, he'd have a hard time dropping that much. You should know this.
You're a complete moron twink.
Hey, dumby, ready to get owned? Bodybuilders have been known to put on 20 to 40 lbs in 24 hours by carbing up. One kilogram of glycogen is stored in muscle with 3 to 4 liters of water. If you are carb depleted, you can put on over 30 lbs in one day by eating tons of carbs and drinking tons of water. Jon Jones drops to 205 lbs by eating nothing but raw fish and vegetables. That is, no carbs. Then he loads up on carbs the night before. If you can't see how much bigger he is in the cage than in the weight-in, then I can't help you...
You = fucking owned. ;D
Never again argue with someone smarter than you.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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he wont move up, Dana wont let him. Jones is at 205 for a reason, to keep Brazilians at 205 from holding the belt. UFC cant have 3 foreign title holders in the org.
Foreign as in non-US? Care to explain this since the UFC is part of an international organisation that has as much talent from Europe & South America as it does from the United States. There are no foreigners in these fights, only contenders & champions.
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Hey, dumby, ready to get owned? Bodybuilders have been known to put on 20 to 40 lbs in 24 hours by carbing up. One kilogram of glycogen is stored in muscle with 3 to 4 liters of water. If you are carb depleted, you can put on over 30 lbs in one day by eating tons of carbs and drinking tons of water. Jon Jones drops to 205 lbs by eating nothing but raw fish and vegetables. That is, no carbs. Then he loads up on carbs the night before. If you can't see how much bigger he is in the cage than in the weight-in, then I can't help you...
You = fucking owned. ;D
Never again argue with someone smarter than you.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Yes and that is going to be lean muscle isnt it! When have you ever seen someone put on that much weight in such a short timeframe and still look muscular and cut? You insist on speaking down to everyone that doesnt agree with your own theories and opinions, well im willing to bet im just as smart as you and then some - infact i dont think you have ever come out of a conversation with me looking anything remotely resembling like a winner. Crack on son, i am waiting.......
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Don't be upset that your boys got crushed by Americanos.
Mir rips off Nog's arm.
Bones puts Machida to sleep.
Classic American ownage of the Brazilians at it's finest.
What say you SMM? ;D ;D
lol conveniently forgetting Titos brutal ass kicking ::)
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jones silva gsp freaks
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Hey, dumby, ready to get owned? Bodybuilders have been known to put on 20 to 40 lbs in 24 hours by carbing up. One kilogram of glycogen is stored in muscle with 3 to 4 liters of water. If you are carb depleted, you can put on over 30 lbs in one day by eating tons of carbs and drinking tons of water. Jon Jones drops to 205 lbs by eating nothing but raw fish and vegetables. That is, no carbs. Then he loads up on carbs the night before. If you can't see how much bigger he is in the cage than in the weight-in, then I can't help you...
You = fucking owned. ;D
Never again argue with someone smarter than you.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
lol Jones 240.... have you seen his legs??? sticks! no leg development what so ever...
sure he will be a bit fuller at fightnight.... but maybe about 10 - 15 pounds....
you say bodybuilders gain 30-40 pounds carb loading.. true, after a contest. but have you ever done that?? do you know how you feel? you feel soooo pumped and soo full.... that is what you do NOT want as a fighter, feeling pumped.
and you are beating a dead horse anyway, it is all within the rules, even if he did gain 40 pounds... or 50 , or 60 as long as he weighs in at 205 all is OK!
btw Machid weighs more than 205 on fightnight as well.....
machida is a pretty big dude irl... 6'2 and 230ish.... also cuts down in weight to fight.
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Yes and that is going to be lean muscle isnt it!
You see, you thought you had me there, but you are just another dumbass who is about to get owned. The more muscle you have, the more muscle you have to store glycogen and water, and thus you will gain more weight than a guy who carbs up just as much as you do. Jon Jones at 205 lbs has a lot more muscle and less fat than his opponents at 205 lbs, so when he carbs up, he gains a lot more weight than his opponents. And I never said that he gains 20 to 40 lbs of muscle: I said he gains that much in weight and that this weight is not fat.
You = owned :)
well im willing to bet im just as smart as you and then some
I am almost 100% certain you would lose that bet...
- infact i dont think you have ever come out of a conversation with me looking anything remotely resembling like a winner. Crack on son, i am waiting.......
I don't recall ever debating you, but you didn't do well in this exchange.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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SMM, you dont think Jones will move up eventually as he ages and gets bigger? I'm sure he's thinking in terms of having a long career. You would hope his domination of the 205 class would have him looking for new challenges that only the heavyweight class will bring. He seems like an arrogant fuck to me, I dont care for him at all but is prob playing it smart by being patient with his career
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SMM, you dont think Jones will move up eventually as he ages and gets bigger? I'm sure he's thinking in terms of having a long career.
Jones is 230 OFFSEASON. Normal 202 weight at least nothing spectacular. Forest,rampage and some others are bigger. SMM is just trolling.
He will eventually move to hw since hes young. probably in around 4 years. When legs matches upperbody lol. And hes gotten a bit bigger overall.
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I really can't see anyone beating him at 205 just to damn big and strong.
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You see, you thought you had me there, but you are just another dumbass who is about to get owned. The more muscle you have, the more muscle you have to store glycogen and water, and thus you will gain more weight than a guy who carbs up just as much as you do. Jon Jones at 205 lbs has a lot more muscle and less fat than his opponents at 205 lbs, so when he carbs up, he gains a lot more weight than his opponents. And I never said that he gains 20 to 40 lbs of muscle: I said he gains that much in weight and that this weight is not fat.
You = owned :)
I am almost 100% certain you would lose that bet...
I don't recall ever debating you, but you didn't do well in this exchange.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
I have schooled you several times and the best response you could come up with was something along the lines of "epic meltdown". The additional "weight" you speak of would have to be lean muscle - not water etc - as if you look at Jones he has a very athletic appearance and is cut. If his "weight" was not lean mass then 20+lbs (especially 30 - 40) on anyone would make them look at best smooth and yet he still looks in phenomenal shape.
Pull your head out of your ass and realise that you have no idea what youre talking about, the bullshit you come out with in unbelievable (you essentially say you dwarf guys like Lesnar & have an IQ that would make Sidis himself inferior - surely you must have heard of him without sitting there frantically Googling him) and you put it across with the maturity of a 12 year old with ADHD.
Next?
Nobody will be touching Jones at 205, he has done in 3 fights what GSP & Silva took 5+ fights to do and that is put a stamp on the division which says it is his to toy with. 220+ he would physically resemble Chieck Kongo and would be giving up alot of his advantages to the men with real power & size, he knows that Evans & Davis are the only ones left and they'll soon follow suit. Everyone talks about forcing GSP to move up to 185 but again i say why not have Anderson move up to 205 to fight him?
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Jones is 230 OFFSEASON.
What proof do you have of that? I have seen a picture of him posted at Sherdog where he is 255 lbs with his shirt of and looks almost exactly like he does in the cage except a lot puffier. Face it, idiot: he has to starve himself for months to drop to 205 lbs by eating raw fish and vegetables with no fruits or starches, and then he carbs up and regaines his normal weight of around 230 to 240 lbs in a day or two.
SMM is just trolling.
I am a much older member of this board than you. I have a lot more posts on bodybuilding - the topic for which the board was created - than you do. You, on the other hand, have 80% of your posts on your man-crush on a single MMA fighter. So who is the troll?
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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What proof do you have of that? I have seen a picture of him posted at Sherdog where he is 255 lbs with his shirt of and looks almost exactly like he does in the cage except a lot puffier.
How about from ehh ...Jon jones himself.
Provide a video or a link to an interview where jon jones says hes 250 and the photo that follows it. And I do the same when he says hes 230 off.
Or hey, just keep trolling...
Im not going to bother responding to you more before you have provided just that. Troll.
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Jones is 230 OFFSEASON. Normal 202 weight at least nothing spectacular. Forest,rampage and some others are bigger. SMM is just trolling.
He will eventually move to hw since hes young. probably in around 4 years. When legs matches upperbody lol. And hes gotten a bit bigger overall.
Right, eventually he will move up. Why the fuss about him being 205 for the time being?
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Right, eventually he will move up. Why the fuss about him being 205 for the time being?
Because hes 6'5 and has an 84 inch reach, its unfair. Jones wouldnt be as effective if he were 5' 11 with a 76 inch reach. His size and reach advantage are what mainly wins him fights. Not only is he beating the elite 205ers, hes absolutely destroying them with ease- finishing fighters that have never been finished.
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Because hes 6'5 and has an 84 inch reach, its unfair. Jones wouldnt be as effective if he were 5' 11 with a 76 inch reach. His size and reach advantage are what mainly wins him fights. Not only is he beating the elite 205ers, hes absolutely destroying them with ease- finishing fighters that have never been finished.
that is because he uses his height very good! not as easy as it looks btw....
it's not unfair... all within the rules...
shorter fighters can win from taller ones, they need to get it up close and personal and then to the ground.
machida was scared to get close, he never does that, not his style... and machida is not great on the ground.
yeah he is a black belt in bjj, but that was more of a gift then it was earned......
moment it got to the ground machida got hit bad by an elbow.....
he lost, lost bad, get over it! happens lol....
i am not a jones fan per se, but the dude beat all the top dogs in a heavily stacked division... dude is a great fighter! talented!
but someone will beat his ass...... i hope his next fight will be aganst hendo..... hendo is a great wrestler and has ko power.... would be a good fight!
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lol conveniently forgetting Titos brutal ass kicking ::)
Not forgetting anything. He did get whopped. THen again, he's WAY passed his prime and is so far removed from contention it doesn't really matter, wouldn't ya say BILL?
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Hey, dumby, ready to get owned? Bodybuilders have been known to put on 20 to 40 lbs in 24 hours by carbing up. One kilogram of glycogen is stored in muscle with 3 to 4 liters of water. If you are carb depleted, you can put on over 30 lbs in one day by eating tons of carbs and drinking tons of water. Jon Jones drops to 205 lbs by eating nothing but raw fish and vegetables. That is, no carbs. Then he loads up on carbs the night before. If you can't see how much bigger he is in the cage than in the weight-in, then I can't help you...
You = fucking owned. ;D
Never again argue with someone smarter than you.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Hey, "dumby", you said he is 240+ pounds of LEAN muscle. If he's LEAN at 240 +, he doesn't have a whole ton of gylcogen and water weight going on, let alone 35 + pounds that can be dropped.
You own yourself time and time again "dumby"
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It wasn't the reach, it was because Jones knew how to use elbows that he won the fight.
(http://www.fightcove.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/Lyoto-Machida.jpg)
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My point being is that I doubt jones enters the ring at 240 + pounds on fight day. He makes weight at 205, then probably carbs up a bit and enters at about 220 tops, just like all the other LHWs out there.
SMM is beyond grasping at straws on Jones. (translations for "dumby"---- your excuses are becoming absurd)
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that is because he uses his height very good! not as easy as it looks btw....
it's not unfair... all within the rules...
shorter fighters can win from taller ones, they need to get it up close and personal and then to the ground.
machida was scared to get close, he never does that, not his style... and machida is not great on the ground.
yeah he is a black belt in bjj, but that was more of a gift then it was earned......
moment it got to the ground machida got hit bad by an elbow.....
he lost, lost bad, get over it! happens lol....
i am not a jones fan per se, but the dude beat all the top dogs in a heavily stacked division... dude is a great fighter! talented!
but someone will beat his ass...... i hope his next fight will be aganst hendo..... hendo is a great wrestler and has ko power.... would be a good fight!
I should of mentioned that Jones is a good fighter which he is, very good. And he doesnt win his fights SOLELY with his size, but his size is a MASSIVE advantage here and the LHW division will now be in limbo until he decides to vacate the belt. Im not even interested in watching his fights mainly because theres no excitement when you already know whos going to win.
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Not forgetting anything. He did get whopped. THen again, he's WAY passed his prime and is so far removed from contention it doesn't really matter, wouldn't ya say BILL?
Well what about Big Nog why didnt you mention him being out of his prime?? Because your opinion is no different from Mindless' and your best interest is in Zuffa made products.
If Jon Jones was a 6'5" Russian taking out the 205 roster so easily like this i'm sure you'd have an issue ;D
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How about from ehh ...Jon jones himself.
You know Jon Jones..? Tell him I said congrats,and great fight..
Thanks Swedeski.
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Seriously making weight and fighting re hydrated is as much of the game plan as the actual fight strategy, if Machida is so disadvantaged he should go down to middle and fight where another guy who uses the weight prep strategy rules Anderson Silva, and as for 250, I doubt Jones cuts more than 25lbs to make weight probably less as he has fought 4 times this year what would be the point of blowing up and down so much, i seem to recall him saying he walks around at about 225.
good post
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Well what about Big Nog why didnt you mention him being out of his prime?? Because your opinion is no different from Mindless' and your best interest is in Zuffa made products.
If Jon Jones was a 6'5" Russian taking out the 205 roster so easily like this i'm sure you'd have an issue ;D
Yo bro, don't cry over this. You're acting like a little kitty who just stepped in a puddle.
My guess is that suckmymuscle butt slams you hard on a regular occasion, thus your prompt attention to anything having to do with a response to one of his posts.
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Jones is super talented for sure...Would be interesting to see how he would favor in the heavyweight's. I'm guessing it would look like what happened to light-heavyweight boxer Evander Holyfield. Did extremely well in the heavies but was exposed by much bigger men at times.
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I think at HW he'd pretty much get manhandled by the top 5 or so. If he keeps cleaning house the way he is, they'll be certainly a superfight with Silva/Bones or Bones going into the lower level HW fighters the way Silva did.
Bones is a beast. And more power to him if he can make that 205 cutoff.
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Hey, "dumby", you said he is 240+ pounds of LEAN muscle. If he's LEAN at 240 +, he doesn't have a whole ton of gylcogen and water weight going on, let alone 35 + pounds that can be dropped.
You own yourself time and time again "dumby"
"LOL" you are about to get owned again, idiot.
Lean body mass only excludes subcutaneous and intramuscular fat. Glycogen and water are not factored in BMI calculations, you moron.
Why do these morons argue with me? They get owned again and again. It is pathetic.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Don't be upset that your boys got crushed by Americanos.
Mir rips off Nog's arm.
Bones puts Machida to sleep.
Classic American ownage of the Brazilians at it's finest.
What say you SMM? ;D ;D
Another stupid post. Brazilians own 3 of the 7 division belts the UFC has. That is the same number owned by Americans, which is pathetic since the UFC is an American promotion that holds most of it's events in North America with North American fighters. Statistically, Brazilians are overrepresented in the number of UFC belts they own given their numbers.
And I am American, you idiot. Born and bred. And on the topic of Brazilians, JDS would remove Jones' head from his neck and send it flying 100 feet off the Octagon. :D
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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"LOL" you are about to get owned again, idiot.
Lean body mass only excludes subcutaneous and intramuscular fat. Glycogen and water are not factored in BMI calculations, you moron.
Why do these morons argue with me? They get owned again and again. It is pathetic.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Indeed a ruthless owning by Suckmymanhood. ::)
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Another stupid post. Brazilians own 3 of the 7 division belts the UFC has. That is the same number owned by Americans, which is pathetic since the UFC is an American promotion that holds most of it's events in North America with North American fighters. Statistically, Brazilians are overrepresented in the number of UFC belts they own given their numbers.
And I am American, you idiot. Born and bred. And on the topic of Brazilians, JDS would remove Jones' head from his neck and send it flying 100 feet off the Octagon. :D
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Ground control to Major Tom....
MELTDOWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Yo bro, don't cry over this. You're acting like a little kitty who just stepped in a puddle.
My guess is that suckmymuscle butt slams you hard on a regular occasion, thus your prompt attention to anything having to do with a response to one of his posts.
Yeah well my guess is your another Mindless gimmick, merely here to spread UFC diarrhea blah blah blah
Aside from that issue, Jones is a talented fighter no doubt. But say if Machida fought at middleweight he would surely look alot more impressive than he really is, or if 2005 CroCop moved down to middleweight he'd also have a massive advantage, and you know this. (!)
You cannot deny his size is a HUGE advantage.
If Jones were to fight someone with his own height and reach he would look considerably less impressive, and thats a fact. Junior or Overeem would be great fights, alot more even matchups than Jones is having now. But if he can make a good living laying arbitrary beat downs on these smaller men, more power to him I guess! ???
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Yeah well my guess is your another Mindless gimmick, merely here to spread UFC diarrhea blah blah blah
And my guess is that you're nothing but a SMM gimmick spreading anti-UFC throw-up. Blah blah blah.
Bill, you're a twink. Actually, SMM is the twink. You're his twinkie.
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Jones was completely exposed in this fight. Machida won the first round 10-9 according to the judges score cards.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
BTW i think you'll find only 1 judge gave Machida the 1st round so whilst he was evidently winning the fight, he was behind in their collective assumptions.
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And my guess is that you're nothing but a SMM gimmick spreading anti-UFC throw-up. Blah blah blah.
Bill, you're a twink. Actually, SMM is the twink. You're his twinkie.
Cut the shit and explain to me what you disagree with in my last post please. I think my points were pretty accurate.
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I'm not disagreeing with you at all bro. If Jones moved up, he wouldn't look as spectacular. That's obvious. But I do believe he would fare well against some lower level HWs.
But why would he? He doesn't need to. Classes are based on weight. End of story.
He is an impressive speciman of a LHW fighter. He makes weight.
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I'm not disagreeing with you at all bro. If Jones moved up, he wouldn't look as spectacular. That's obvious. But I do believe he would fare well against some lower level HWs.
But why would he? He doesn't need to. Classes are based on weight. End of story.
He is an impressive speciman of a LHW fighter. He makes weight.
Exactly. Why would he challenge himself.
Wouldn't mind seeing him move to middleweight actually, if he can make the weight he has every right to ;D
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And my guess is that you're nothing but a SMM gimmick spreading anti-UFC throw-up. Blah blah blah.
Bill, you're a twink. Actually, SMM is the twink. You're his twinkie.
Oh, and you can just call me William
Your welcome ;D
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Exactly. Why would he challenge himself.
Wouldn't mind seeing him move to middleweight actually, if he can make the weight he has every right to ;D
At some point he should think about taking a fight at a heavier weight.. perhaps a catchweight against a lower rated HW. But at this point, he's still got Rashad and a possible Hendo fight brewing. He's not at the level of domination that Silva is yet in my opinion (i.e. shouldn't be jumping weight just yet).
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If Bones moved up within 6 - 12 months, with his current skillset IMO he would already handily beat the likes of Rothwell, Struve & Schaub. Bones has the frame to make and athletic 245 - 255 easily and he would need that weight to compete with the bigger guys.
He's onto a great thing just now and he knows it, he has little to no real competition left (Hendo & Evans will both fall short like the rest) and he's being paid 6 figures to dismantle these guys inside a round or 2 so he's in no rush to move up. He's building his legacy and whilst he can legitimately make weight he has no pressure to pack on the beef.
The best 3 in Strikeforce IMO are Feijao, Mousassi & Lawal and i dont see any of these guys troubling him either - BUT it keeps him in the division with fresh opponents to fight. These fights are a long way off however. What i would LOVE to see is Roger Gracie get in close enough to grab a hold of him and test him there, his comparable size and ridiculous BJJ ability could drag Bones into deep waters. I know King Mo knocked him out but it's whatever happens on the night.
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Coltrane is known as "imbecile" for a reason...what a turd this fairy is. Hey, imbecile, stop sucking MindLess's nuts and realize that your hero Jon Jones is overrated. Use that little pea you have between your ears and think queer...suppose there is a fight in a bar and two guys who weight exactly the same fought, but one is 6'5 and the other 5'11. Who is likely to win that fight? Obviously, the 6'5 guy will hit the 5'11 guy from a mile away and likely emerge victorious. This is not rocket science, genius. Height matters...why do you think most guys back down from fighting guys who are taller than them even if the taller guys are not stronger? Because reach matters a lot. Like you give swords to two guys but one has longer arms and you make them fight...who will likely get the kill? Obviously, the taller guy will likely hack the other guy from afar while remaining out of reach of the shorter guy and win. This is why Human males have been getting taller and taller every generation since the Paleolithic Era: tall men more often than not killed short men and got to pass on their genes. Just because the athletic comissions says that the only thing that matters in combat is weight doesen't make it so. That is an arbitrary criteria. Yes, that's all that matters for the athletic comissions, but it is not what matter in actual combat.
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Coltrane is known as "imbecile" for a reason...what a turd this fairy is. Hey, imbecile, stop sucking MindLess's nuts and realize that your hero Jon Jones is overrated. Use that little pea you have between your ears and think queer...suppose there is a fight in a bar and two guys who weight exactly the same fought, but one is 6'5 and the other 5'11. Who is likely to win that fight? Obviously, the 6'5 guy will hit the 5'11 guy from a mile away and likely emerge victorious. This is not rocket science, genius. Height matters...why do you think most guys back down from fighting guys who are taller than them even if the taller guys are not stronger? Because reach matters a lot. Like you give swords to two guys but one has longer arms and you make them fight...who will likely get the kill? Obviously, the taller guy will likely hack the other guy from afar while remaining out of reach of the shorter guy and win. This is why Human males have been getting taller and taller every generation since the Paleolithic Era: tall men more often than not killed short men and got to pass on their genes. Just because the athletic comissions says that the only thing that matters in combat is weight doesen't make it so. That is an arbitrary criteria. Yes, that's all that matters for the athletic comissions, but it is not what matter in actual combat.
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Cold hard truth.
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...suppose there is a fight in a bar and two guys who weight exactly the same fought, but one is 6'5 and the other 5'11. Who is likely to win that fight? Obviously, the 6'5 guy will hit the 5'11 guy from a mile away and likely emerge victorious. This is not rocket science, genius.
Spoken like a man that has never been in a bar fight, you generalise everything by design when you dont realise what can actually happen in these fights. A man wins a fight because hes taller? What a ridiculous assumption to have and certainly a ridiculous statement to make.
I know bouncers that are 5ft 8 & 180lbs soaking wet that would gladly knock out a man well over 6 foot for simply looking at them the wrong way, you make it sound as easy as 2 + 2 = 4. Whilst i appreciate what you are trying to say, the way you put it across makes it sound like the shorter man never has a chance and i can only tell you that you are very wrong.
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Coltrane is known as "imbecile" for a reason...what a turd this fairy is. Hey, imbecile, stop sucking MindLess's nuts and realize that your hero Jon Jones is overrated. Use that little pea you have between your ears and think queer...suppose there is a fight in a bar and two guys who weight exactly the same fought, but one is 6'5 and the other 5'11. Who is likely to win that fight? Obviously, the 6'5 guy will hit the 5'11 guy from a mile away and likely emerge victorious. This is not rocket science, genius. Height matters...why do you think most guys back down from fighting guys who are taller than them even if the taller guys are not stronger? Because reach matters a lot. Like you give swords to two guys but one has longer arms and you make them fight...who will likely get the kill? Obviously, the taller guy will likely hack the other guy from afar while remaining out of reach of the shorter guy and win. This is why Human males have been getting taller and taller every generation since the Paleolithic Era: tall men more often than not killed short men and got to pass on their genes. Just because the athletic comissions says that the only thing that matters in combat is weight doesen't make it so. That is an arbitrary criteria. Yes, that's all that matters for the athletic comissions, but it is not what matter in actual combat.
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But this isn't a bar you fucking idiot. It's a fucking MMA fight retard!
This is why you're regarded as one of the biggest, if not THE biggest MORON on this site.
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"suppose we're on the moon, and the fighters weight less.. and they can't breathe as well..."
I swear this is coming next from fucktard SMM.
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But this isn't a bar you fucking idiot. It's a fucking MMA fight, Mr.Suckmymuscle!
This is why you're regarded as one of the biggest, if not THE biggest GENIUS on this site.
Yeah, because there is such a huge difference between a bar fight and an MMA fight. LOL! Let's see...in both punches and kicks are thrown. In both, guys try to trip the other to take it to the ground, etc. A fight is a fight. Actually, an MMA fight favors the taller guy even more since in a real fight the short guy can at least try to hit the other guy's balls or poke his eyes out. So an MMA fight favors the tall guy even more. Dude, holy shit, you are such a fucking moron. ;)
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Yeah, because there is such a huge difference between a bar fight and an MMA fight. LOL! Let's see...in both punches and kicks are thrown. In both, guys try to trip the other to take it to the ground, etc. A fight is a fight. Actually, an MMA fight favors the taller guy even more since in a real fight the short guy can at least try to hit the other guy's balls or poke his eyes out. So an MMA fight favors the tall guy even more. Dude, holy shit, you are such a fucking moron. ;)
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WOW folks, there we have it. Perhaps the most retarded, uninformed, moronic statement thus made on this site regarding MMA.
I am done wasting time arguing with you SMM. You have zero intelligence.
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And nice altering my thread asshole. Do you do this on other occasions to try to help in your arguments? Just shows that when you lose at something, you need to cheat.
Now, prompted by this post, I guarantee you go and rechange your editing of my post to cover your ass.
You're a cheater SMM.
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WOW folks, there we have it. Perhaps the most intelligent, informed, argute statement thus made on this site regarding MMA.
I am done wasting time arguing with you SMM. I cannot match your intelligence.
Lol, moron, the MMA fight favors the taller guys more because in a bar fight the short guy can throw a bottle or use some kinds of weapons but in the MMA fight the fighters are restricted to their bodies.
You = owned :)
Thanks for playing
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Lol, moron, the MMA fight favors the taller guys more because in a bar fight the short guy can throw a bottle or use some kinds of weapons but in the MMA fight the fighters are restricted to their bodies.
You = owned :)
Thanks for playing
But you just said there isn't any difference between a bar fight and a cage in your post above!?
You just contradicted yourself. Go ahead though, you know how to go back and edit things.
SMM is a liar and a cheat. And an idiot about MMA.
In the words of Bull Hurley: I OWN YOU.
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WOW folks, there we have it. Perhaps the most retarded, uninformed, moronic statement thus made on this site regarding MMA.
I am done wasting time arguing with you SMM. You have zero intelligence.
you're arguing with a TROLL.............
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But you just said there isn't any difference between a bar fight and a cage in your post above!?
You just contradicted yourself. Go ahead though, you know how to go back and edit things.
SMM is a liar and a cheat. And an idiot about MMA.
In the words of Bull Hurley: I OWN YOU.
LOL! You used an argument that favors my argument. Brutal self-ownage.
You = fucking stomped kid. ;D
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you're arguing with a TROLL.............
I am not the one with 4,000 posts on an MMA fighter in a bodybuilding board.
You are the very definition of a troll, Swede. ;)
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you're arguing with a TROLL.............
I know. I'm stopping as it's a waste of time.
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If Bones moved up within 6 - 12 months, with his current skillset IMO he would already handily beat the likes of Rothwell, Struve & Schaub. Bones has the frame to make and athletic 245 - 255 easily and he would need that weight to compete with the bigger guys.
He's onto a great thing just now and he knows it, he has little to no real competition left (Hendo & Evans will both fall short like the rest) and he's being paid 6 figures to dismantle these guys inside a round or 2 so he's in no rush to move up. He's building his legacy and whilst he can legitimately make weight he has no pressure to pack on the beef.
The best 3 in Strikeforce IMO are Feijao, Mousassi & Lawal and i dont see any of these guys troubling him either - BUT it keeps him in the division with fresh opponents to fight. These fights are a long way off however. What i would LOVE to see is Roger Gracie get in close enough to grab a hold of him and test him there, his comparable size and ridiculous BJJ ability could drag Bones into deep waters. I know King Mo knocked him out but it's whatever happens on the night.
Does the Hit Squad in Granite City mean anything to you or coincidence?
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At some point he should think about taking a fight at a heavier weight.. perhaps a catchweight against a lower rated HW. But at this point, he's still got Rashad and a possible Hendo fight brewing. He's not at the level of domination that Silva is yet in my opinion (i.e. shouldn't be jumping weight just yet).
Are you kidding!?
Dude, he just took out Page, Shogun AND Machida without even trying!! He FINISHED all of them! And those are a few of the most talented fighters in MMA! Anderson at least gets tested against the top middleweights, Jones is beating them so easily its not even funny!
Ridiculous statement.
And Rashad?? He stands ZERO chance in that fight. The only way Rashad will win is if Jones shows up hammered drunk, or if theres 2 Rashads. Punchers chance blah blah Evans doesnt even have that.
Hendo wont be much different, Jones will dispatch of him about as easy as he did Shogun. He might even let out a yawn will pummeling Hendo from across the cage. Anybody even thinking ANY LHW has a chance is lying to themselves. Jones will hold the belt until he vacates it, period.
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tito q jon all get up to 240
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When he takes out a couple HWs, then i'll say they're even.
He's certainly on par with him though..
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When he takes out a couple HWs, then i'll say they're even.
He's certainly on par with him though..
since both of them are around 230 off. Why does jones have to test himself againt hw's exactly?
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since both of them are around 230 off. Why does jones have to test himself againt hw's exactly?
He doesn't.
BUT, if he did, i'd say he's more on par with Silva, cause Silva has been tested at a higher weight, 205.
That's what Bill is blabbing on about.
Sometimes I feel I really waste time on this board discussing nonsense.
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"Coltrane" and "Swede" are two of the most childish and stupid people I have ever seen. All they can do is call someone "troll" when they have been crushed in a debate utterly and have nothing to say. And the irony of "Swede" calling anyone a troll. LMFAO!
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"Coltrane" and "Swede" are two of the most childish and stupid people I have ever seen. All they can do is call someone "troll" when they have been crushed in a debate utterly and have nothing to say. And the irony of "Swede" calling anyone a troll. LMFAO!
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Are you looking in my window right now perv?
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I feel like reposting this since it was ignored haha :
What proof do you have of that? I have seen a picture of him posted at Sherdog where he is 255 lbs with his shirt of and looks almost exactly like he does in the cage except a lot puffier.
How about from ehh ...Jon jones himself.
Provide a video or a link to an interview where jon jones says hes 250 and the photo that follows it. And I do the same when he says hes 230 off.
Or hey, just keep trolling...
Im not going to bother responding to you more before you have provided just that. Troll.
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Are you looking in my window right now perv?
stop,responding,to,trolls
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He doesn't.
BUT, if he did, i'd say he's more on par with Silva, cause Silva has been tested at a higher weight, 205.
That's what Bill is blabbing on about.
Sometimes I feel I really waste time on this board discussing nonsense.
Blabbing? Everything I've said is true and you know it. And if Jones fought at around his normal weight he'd be no heavier than Fedor was, who was only 6' tall. So why is heavyweight so farfetched for Jones? Its makes more sense to me than taking the easier road (205) dont you think!?
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There is no way in hell jones weighs 250 prior to a fight. That's pure lunacy.
Suckmanmeat just hates any UFC product, period.
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Blabbing? Everything I've said is true and you know it. And if Jones fought at around his normal weight he'd be no heavier than Fedor was, who was only 6' tall. So why is heavyweight so farfetched for Jones? Its makes more sense to me than taking the easier road (205) dont you think!?
whats the argument? Jon himself has mentioned within 3-4 years he predicts a move up to Hw. No need for hw when you're a flabby 230 of and doesn't stuggle at all to reach 202. Unless you're a prime fedor. Kid is 24. Needs experience. Even though hes ruining everyone. Rushing a move to hw at 24 and only a few years into mma would be retarded.
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There is no way in hell jones weighs 250 prior to a fight. That's pure lunacy.
Suckmanmeat just hates any UFC product, period.
and you hate on everything thats not UFC product, so what makes you any different from that pos?
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Blabbing? Everything I've said is true and you know it. And if Jones fought at around his normal weight he'd be no heavier than Fedor was, who was only 6' tall. So why is heavyweight so farfetched for Jones? Its makes more sense to me than taking the easier road (205) dont you think!?
Dude, enough already. I'm so sick of arguing with you. You're like a little girl!
Yes, Jones could make HW. Yes, Silva could make LHW. Yes, GSP could make MW. And Yes, most, if not all fighters could make another weightclass. BUT, they fight where they're most comfortable at.
Why do you have such a boner for Jones anyway? Most fighters could jump weight..
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There will never be a sensible debate on here, i see flaws with alot of posters comments and let them go by however SMM seems to think he knows it all and knows actually very little. His MMA knowledge is mediocre at best, limited to Google searches & Wiki information for "facts" and his own delusional state of mind for fabricated bullshit.
Who has he ever truly crushed in any kind of debate, more often than not he makes himself look like a complete fool.
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and you hate on everything thats not UFC product, so what makes you any different from that pos?
I have never hated on a non ufc product bro. If I did, it was only to rile up others on here, namely SMM. I'm a MMA fan regardless of the org.. I just like to watch brutality.
I do believe there have been better run orgs and orgs with better fighters in them.
I've watched all orgs etc. I have no love for one or the other. But I do know at this point we don't have much option OTHER than the UFC. I'd love to see the old pride come back with the rules, etc.
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I have never hated on a non ufc product bro. If I did, it was only to rile up others on here, namely SMM. I'm a MMA fan regardless of the org.. I just like to watch brutality.
I do believe there have been better run orgs and orgs with better fighters in them.
I've watched all orgs etc. I have no love for one or the other. But I do know at this point we don't have much option OTHER than the UFC. I'd love to see the old pride come back with the rules, etc.
Well good you cleared that up!
And the only reason I target Jones is because of his massive reach and height advantage. The LHW division is in limbo because of him now and it sucks. Sure, Anderson and GSP always have the size and reach advantage but not like Jones has.
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There will never be a sensible debate on here, i see flaws with alot of posters comments and let them go by however SMM seems to think he knows it all and knows actually very little. His MMA knowledge is mediocre at best, limited to Google searches & Wiki information for "facts" and his own delusional state of mind for fabricated bullshit.
Who has he ever truly crushed in any kind of debate, more often than not he makes himself look like a complete fool.
Epic obsession with me. This is like the fourth or fifth time you address one of my posts without me even talking to you. You turds get really upset every time I make you feel stupid and then become obsessed with proving you are as smart or smarter than me by stalking me and making meanie comments over random posts I make. Well, maybe if you morons knew your place and knew better than to debate people who are smarter than you, you wouldn't be humiliated and go through these painful situations.
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You have yet to prove you are smarter than me, and you certainly havent come close to making me feel stupid or inferior. You bounce around this board claiming to be a genius blah blah blah and i am simply challenging you to prove it - and when youre called out you disappear. You seem to quit when you know youre behind and change arguments. Game over, youre done - i wont bother addressing you or commenting on another thing you say.
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[quote author=GraniteCityDon link=topic=405164.msg5792642#msg5792642 date=1324043361]
You have yet to prove you are smarter than me
The fact that you can't see it tells me something about your capabilities of comprehension.
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I also dont see you standing a lean 315lbs at 6ft 5 ::)
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I also dont see you standing a lean 315lbs at 6ft 5 ::)
What?! Is this what SMM claims? BWAHAHAHAHAH~~!!!! Right!!!??? BWAHAHAHA
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Indeed it is:
I am currently 314 lbs which is only 20 lbs less than the heaviest I have ever been except that back then I was on 2,500 mg of test(10 ampules of Durateston a week) a week and now I am natural. Of course, I am almost 6'5 and not lean but far from fat at that weight, so this is not that inpressive, but 314 lbs is huge no matter your height as long as you are not obese. So there you have it. The secret for gigantic natural gains is out
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But he says he is NOT lean in his post.
I love how he says that he's "natural" now. :-\
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OK OK i should have said "lean-ish" since he's "far from fat". Thinking of anyone in sports, what would a physique like that look like?
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Well good you cleared that up!
And the only reason I target Jones is because of his massive reach and height advantage. The LHW division is in limbo because of him now and it sucks. Sure, Anderson and GSP always have the size and reach advantage but not like Jones has.
Really can't understand this, Struve has major height and reach over everyone he faces too, as does gustafsson, as did the Korean that fedor beat years ago. Jones is the best fighter, plain and simple, height or not
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Really can't understand this, Struve has major height and reach over everyone he faces too, as does gustafsson, as did the Korean that fedor beat years ago. Jones is the best fighter, plain and simple, height or not
The guys you listed are unskilled fighters compared to Jones. His ability is rare having size and skill to boot, and I dont believe Jones would look nearly as impressive fighting people his own size thats all.
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No need for everyone to hate on him for it. He can only beat who Dana puts in front of him, and fuck is he beating them