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At his peak Chris was a better bodybuilder than Nasser at his peak.
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The only arguement you'll get is from nassole's anus it goes by the name of "big bobs" here. his pubic hair may have something to say also. They are known as "team nassole".
This assessment is 100% correct. Chris at his peak is better than Nassole at his peak.
Middle Eastern genetics in bodybuilding vs. Negro genetics is like comparing a turd to a piece of gold..ironic in this case because the brown turd = arabs and the gold = negro....not that I really had to explain.
This is something nassole aka gh15 always had a problem with...
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Looks like Dillet might be owning both of them
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Chris was better than Nasser, and had better lines and flow than him too. Not only that he was massive and held his own against the big guys all while maintaining a classic old school physique.
F#ck if I know why but people were obsessed with ugly bulging veiny freakyness back then and I think overlooked Cormier for not looking enough like a cartoon character. And unlike the other guys he looked good in a T Shirt, had that build that women totally dug- huge but not stupid looking- and didn't get perceived as the stereotypical short, waddling, nonathletic, narcissistic, little clown at a minstrel show which is what so many women really think of the cult :-\
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Yup Cormier kicks his ass.
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late 90's
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Cormier was a warrior in the gym, but did/still do way to much rec.drugs. This was his downfall, he had every musclepart, nice flow....he had it all to be mr.o and itīs still a hell of an acomplishment to come in third doing so much recs. Go Cormiero!
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Definatly, great overall genetics and shape.
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Ironically, such a complete, proprtionate, symmetrical physique, that it didn't stand out as freaky enough
Like someone said, it was the time of the demayos, matarazzos, and dillets, freak factor
But the body everyone wanrted was cormiers, and apparently so did the white women
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Cormier was a warrior in the gym, but did/still do way to much rec.drugs. This was his downfall, he had every musclepart, nice flow....he had it all to be mr.o and itīs still a hell of an acomplishment to come in third doing so much recs. Go Cormiero!
not true. a buddy of mine that saw him train on numerous occasions said cormier trained hard about half the time...he was to busy looking at women
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not true. a buddy of mine that saw him train on numerous occasions said cormier trained hard about half the time...he was to busy looking at women
like wiggs said, if guys like chris, flex, dillet actually put more effort into training, etc, imagine the outcome
Instead they were more focused on acquiring white pussy
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Cormier should have placed 2nd at that Olympia. He was way better than oily Flex. Inconsistent though specially with his conditioning. His career as a whole makes him a lesser Bber than Nasser. But as for as potential and at their best (even if it was only for one occasion), Cormier was better than Nasser.
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Cormier was a warrior in the gym, but did/still do way to much rec.drugs. This was his downfall, he had every musclepart, nice flow....he had it all to be mr.o and itīs still a hell of an acomplishment to come in third doing so much recs. Go Cormiero!
Yet he is still alive wonder when he is going to drop dead of a heart attack from all the rec drugs. Hope that doesn't happen but these days chris doesn't look all there :-\
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At his peak Chris was a better bodybuilder than Nasser at his peak.
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Cormier at his peak is also better than Levrone and Shawn Ray.
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and better than flex , at least juding those pics
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and better than flex , at least juding those pics
In the Video, Flex and Coleman are too freaky for Cormier. But the top 3 from the 99 Mr Olympia is the best top 3 of all time by far.
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and better than flex , at least juding those pics
At their peak, no. But at that 'O, no contest. Flex'93 is still better than the best version of Cormier. Was he better than Levrone and Ray at their best? Arguable but it's not crazy as Ray has structural flaws that Cormier didn't have and Levrone never achieved the same conditioning Chris did at that 'O.
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In the Video, Flex and Coleman are too freaky for Cormier. But the top 3 from the 99 Mr Olympia is the best top 3 of all time by far.
Flex didn't look good at all- full of oil and poor balance. You could see clearly the difference between him and Ronnie-much more so than in '98. Ronnie could handle that kind of mass while Flex was really meant to keep it at a lower weight.
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Flex didn't look good at all- full of oil and poor balance. You could see clearly the difference between him and Ronnie-much more so than in '98. Ronnie could handle that kind of mass while Flex was really meant to keep it at a lower weight.
He looked crazy.
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One off the best photos of bodybuilding.
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He looked crazy.
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One off the best photos of bodybuilding.
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That is Bodybuilding.. 8)
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cormier had gyno?!!.. first time to notice this!!..
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He looked crazy.
(http://muscletime.com/index.php?view=image&format=raw&type=img&id=41009&option=com_joomgallery&Itemid=202)
One off the best photos of bodybuilding.
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That looks impressive but given the structure: pecs are squashed, his torso looks longer than ever, delts are full of oil with zero striations, arms overcome everything else.
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Nasser is going to end up as the most under-rated bodybuilder if these sorts of threads keep appearing
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nasser was more entertaining in any aspect of life
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Cormier should have placed 2nd at that Olympia. He was way better than oily Flex. Inconsistent though specially with his conditioning. His career as a whole makes him a lesser Bber than Nasser. But as for as potential and at their best (even if it was only for one occasion), Cormier was better than Nasser.
Cormier consistently came in shape, and was consistently overlooked...even still, he won the Ironman 5x and earns the infamous distinction of being 2nd place 6x at the Arnold.
I've said it before, Cormier had a physique that you could visually add muscle to, and it would still be symmetrical...I think he could have carried 275 better than Ronnie...
Strong mofo in pushing/pressing movements.
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nasser was more entertaining in any aspect of life
This months FLEX has a pullout superfeature on nassers back routine
With bonus articles on how to get your delts and arms looking ridiculous
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Cormier consistently came in shape, and was consistently overlooked...even still, he won the Ironman 5x and earns the infamous distinction of being 2nd place 6x at the Arnold.
I've said it before, Cormier had a physique that you could visually add muscle to, and it would still be symmetrical...I think he could have carried 275 better than Ronnie...
Strong mofo in pushing/pressing movements.
Was it 4 or 5 wins at the Ironman? And you have to admit that the Ironman wasn't as competitive as the AC or the '0. I'm just saying he often missed that little extra crispness a guy like Ray could achieve sometimes. And i also agree that he got overlooked, specially at the AC that he should have won on a couple of occasions.
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Chris Cormier; another tough dude.... Free style wrestler. Those wrestlers know how to train.
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Was it 4 or 5 wins at the Ironman? And you have to admit that the Ironman wasn't as competitive as the AC or the '0. I'm just saying he often missed that little extra crispness a guy like Ray could achieve sometimes. And i also agree that he got overlooked, specially at the AC that he should have won on a couple of occasions.
He beat Flex at the 2000 Ironman, and Flex came back and won the Arnold.
Cormier was just hitting his stride before the injury...I think he could have beaten Ronnie had he continually progress, as he could hold 250-260 without a gut, and with added conditioning.
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He beat Flex at the 2000 Ironman, and Flex came back and won the Arnold.
Cormier was just hitting his stride before the injury...I think he could have beaten Ronnie had he continually progress, as he could hold 250-260 without a gut, and with added conditioning.
like in the NFL; injuries in this sport change everything.
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He beat Flex at the 2000 Ironman, and Flex came back and won the Arnold.
Cormier was just hitting his stride before the injury...I think he could have beaten Ronnie had he continually progress, as he could hold 250-260 without a gut, and with added conditioning.
Refresh my memory, what injury was that again?
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Refresh my memory, what injury was that again?
he injured his triceps by the end of his career i think.. may be after he trained with dorian ;D..
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he injured his triceps by the end of his career i think.. may be after he trained with dorian ;D..
Only injuries I know of is the broken hand early on, and the back thing with yates
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he injured his triceps by the end of his career i think.. may be after he trained with dorian ;D..
He tore his tricep---resuting in that lopsided tricep look that Sergio and Ronnie had.
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This assessment is 100% correct. Chris at his peak is better than Nassole at his peak.
Middle Eastern genetics in bodybuilding vs. Negro genetics is like comparing a turd to a piece of gold..ironic in this case because the brown turd = arabs and the gold = negro....not that I really had to explain.
I believe Nasser is AFRICAN! He is Egyptian. Egypt is in Africa.
PS: I want to hear Parker's opinion on this
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He beat Flex at the 2000 Ironman, and Flex came back and won the Arnold.
Cormier was just hitting his stride before the injury...I think he could have beaten Ronnie had he continually progress, as he could hold 250-260 without a gut, and with added conditioning.
Maybe he would have progressed but beating Flex in 2000 was nothing special, Flex was already a mess by then, people weren't so familiar with the oil thing but the man was a little Saudi Arabia by himself back then. The "had he" or "if".....Didn't happen.
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I believe Nasser is AFRICAN! He is Egyptian. Egypt is in Africa.
PS: I want to hear Parker's opinion on this
Notice how I said NEGRO and no AFRICAN ;) Big difference. Many Arabs in N. Africa and of course Egyptians and these are not the MIGHTY NEGRO.
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Cormier was like a black Bob Paris. He was so balanced that nothing stood out.
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Cormeir was a great bodybuilder,the only place where you`ll hear that he sucked is here on GB.
He was awesome at his peak!
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Cormeir was a great bodybuilder,the only place where you`ll hear that he sucked is here on GB.
He was awesome at his peak!
I don't think anyone here thinks he sucks Wes....Just didnt reach his potential because of his demons and his "baby momma".
Dude could have been Mr. O...BUT would've, could've, should've.
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Notice how I said NEGRO and no AFRICAN ;) Big difference. Many Arabs in N. Africa and of course Egyptians and these are not the MIGHTY NEGRO.
maybe racism began in Africa
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I don't think anyone here thinks he sucks Wes....Just didnt reach his potential because of his demons and his "baby momma".
Dude could have been Mr. O...BUT would've, could've, should've.
True Wiggster...........damn white broads!! ;D
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True Wiggster...........damn white broads!! ;D
Ha, you're tellin me. Poor O.J., poor, Chris, Poor Wiggs... :'(
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Ha, you're tellin me. Poor O.J., poor, Chris, Poor Wiggs... :'(
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You guys should have listened to Chris Rock for Christs sake.....could have saved yourselves a lot of pain!! LOL ;D
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You guys should have listened to Chris Rock for Christs sake.....could have saved yourselves a lot of pain!! LOL ;D
SPINNERS!!!!!!
They're spinning...
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SPINNERS!!!!!!
They're spinning...
lol...I love that skit...."they spinnin' n*gga, they spinnin'."
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Cormier was like a black Bob Paris. He was so balanced that nothing stood out.
That to me was one of his biggest downfalls.
Rec drugs, bs excuse. Wouldnt of mattered if he never took drugs his genetics would still be the same. He didnt win because of inconsistency and by having the wrong physique at the wrong time, he was a victim of circumstance.
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I believe Nasser is AFRICAN! He is Egyptian. Egypt is in Africa.
PS: I want to hear Parker's opinion on this
egypt is one of the middle eastern african countries..
nasser's father is egyptian and his mother is yougoslavian..
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egypt is one of the middle eastern african countries..
nasser's father is egyptian and his mother is yougoslavian..
i have heard quite a few black people talk about Egypt as if it was their motherland
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Cormier was one of the most complete BB ever...Nassar is a oil spill held together with bad skin...
stupid thread
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Chris had a great physique when he put it together. I remeber Jason taking the Arnold over him when Chris looked better to me.
However, he never, ever , had the wow factor and "gift from the Gods" look of Nasser at his peak.
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Chris had a great physique when he put it together. I remeber Jason taking the Arnold over him when Chris looked better to me.
However, he never, ever , had the wow factor and "gift from the Gods" look of Nasser at his peak.
Gift from the Gods lol if by ' wow factor ' you mean wow look at the gut?
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Gift from the Gods lol if by ' wow factor ' you mean wow look at the gut?
honestly besides the fact that Nasser is breathing out in that shot he is completely owning Chris on size, condition and thickness in that shot, look at the area between the edge of the traps and their heads, Nassers traps are 6 miles wide and Chris's are half that.
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bettter arms and back, legs in some pictures even look better but i still give it to nasser in that regard. pretty even
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honestly besides the fact that Nasser is breathing out in that shot he is completely owning Chris on size, condition and thickness in that shot, look at the area between the edge of the traps and their heads, Nassers traps are 6 miles wide and Chris's are half that.
Nasser is semi-flexed , Chris isn't even started
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Oh wow, a moderately unflattering pic of a famous modern bodybuilder, who knew? ::)
Anyway, apart from the fact he is caught breathing out and slightly relaxed , he looks great in that shot.
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bettter arms and back, legs in some pictures even look better but i still give it to nasser in that regard. pretty even
yeah but man look at Nassers right quad, god damn. :o
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Nasser is semi-flexed , Chris isn't even started
Yeah I'm sure the "semi-flex" of Nasser vs "relaxed" of Chris is accounting for the huge difference in that picture ::)
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nasser just abused the hell out of seo. his back would have looked better without it, lots of people didn't have thick backs, but he got it in his head to look like yates from behind and that erased all detail
yeah regading quads, sick sick legs on nasser, big belly made them look small later in his career, i'm sure if it was practical to put synthol in quads then nasser would have ruined those too
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Yeah I'm sure the "semi-flex" of Nasser vs "relaxed" of Chris is accounting for the huge difference in that picture ::)
What place was Nasser again in this contest? ??? ;)
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What place was Nasser again in this contest? ??? ;)
That's just one black man's opinion.
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Oh wow, a moderately unflattering pic of a famous modern bodybuilder, who knew? ::)
Anyway, apart from the fact he is caught breathing out and slightly relaxed , he looks great in that shot.
So great at this contest he beat Chris :D
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So great at this contest he beat Chris :D
oh yeah thanks for reminding us that show was far from nasser's best, despite him still dwarfing Chris.
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So great at this contest he beat Chris :D
Nasser beat some of the greatest bodybuilders of all time, sometimes. Sometimes he didn't. Sometimes he beat them but the judges didn't agree despite everybody else seeing it. Sometimes he was not at his best.
When having these kind of debates we are being fair to the athletes involved and assuming that we are talking about them at their peak showing. The fact you have to find unflattering pictures shows that you CANNOT actually deal with the real issue.
The real issue is that peak Nasser beats peak Chris.
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Nasser making huge Chris look small there :o
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Nasser beat some of the greatest bodybuilders of all time, sometimes. Sometimes he didn't. Sometimes he beat them but the judges didn't agree despite everybody else seeing it. Sometimes he was not at his best.
When having these kind of debates we are being fair to the athletes involved and assuming that we are talking about them at their peak showing. The fact you have to find unflattering pictures shows that you CANNOT actually deal with the real issue.
The real issue is that peak Nasser beats peak Chris.
No he doesn't peak Chris has a back , peak Nasser doesn't. Nasser wins a few shots and as with all guys better than Nasser he loses to many shots , Chris at his best is simply in another league
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Glorious back.
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What place was Nasser again in this contest? ??? ;)
Not sure- which contest is it? And if he didn't place well it just shows that you purposely picked a shot when he wasn't close to his best ;)
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Nasser making huge Chris look small there :o
x2 - brutal pic backfire by ND
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ND owned
by ND ;D
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x2 - brutal pic backfire by ND
lol I'd say
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x2 - brutal pic backfire by ND
Nope just guys that think Nasser's size meant something when he was much bigger than 99.9% of the guys he competed with and still got beat routinely
Nasser's size means nothing , keep clinging to it :D it's all you have ;)
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define "bodybuilder"
definitely had a better, more aesthetic and complete physique
but nassers outsized him by a wide margin, certain key body parts like chest delts and arms plus a tight midsection made nasser capable of beating him on a bodybuilding stage.
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Not sure- which contest is it? And if he didn't place well it just shows that you purposely picked a shot when he wasn't close to his best ;)
The joke's on you , Huge Nasser and his 280+ lbs lost to a much lighter Chris ;)
99 Olympia , Chris 3rd , Nasser 6th , wait Shawn all 205lbs beat huge Nasser ;)
Pick ANY year of Nasser he still loses to Chris , why? he sucks from the back
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even Chris would admit he couldnt touch Nasser at his best but Dorian was in a different class than everyone at the time, NO ONE could touch him.
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Kamali looked awesome there.
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even Chris would admit he couldnt touch Nasser at his best but Dorian was in a different class than everyone at the time, NO ONE could touch him.
bob's begs to differ.
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even Chris would admit he couldnt touch Nasser at his best but Dorian was in a different class than everyone at the time, NO ONE could touch him.
No way . Chris would say at his best he would easily beat Nasser. Nasser would beat him in some shots but in total Chris would take to many poses
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damn damn damn
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The joke's on you , Huge Nasser and his 280+ lbs lost to a much lighter Chris ;)
99 Olympia , Chris 3rd , Nasser 6th , wait Shawn all 205lbs beat huge Nasser ;)
Pick ANY year of Nasser he still loses to Chris , why? he sucks from the back
99 Olympia Nasser was 265, one of his lowest bodyweights ever...280+ in 99? Do you always make shit up?! LOL at 265 he's dwarfing Cormier there now imagine a 280+ version.
AND if his back would make any version of him lose to Chris then why didn't his back prevent him from beating several times other bb's with developed backs like Levrone, Wheeler, Ray, Francois, etc.?
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chris was the x frame
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99 AC Nasser beat Cormier with ease but ND will say that there was a huge difference between Cormier at the 99 AC and Olympia LOL
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i have heard quite a few black people talk about Egypt as if it was their motherland
in egypt you find egyptians of all colors,.. shapes.. etc.. darker egyptians are more in the south (very close to sudan).. i believe in something (not a confirmed theory) which may not be true.. i believe that original egyptian looked like the current christian egyptian (they do have a certain shape).. because when islam entered egypt about 1400 years ago few ppl refused it and stayed christains and so kept reproducing with each other keeping the same shape!!.. the majority who converted to islam started to get married to muslims from the gulf and then with all invaders who came to egypt like turkey.. there is a city in egypt called al-mansoura and most of its ppl look very european because during the french colonization many french soldiers converted to islam and married egyptian girls especially in this city where many french were located!!..
i believe my friend here big ach resembles the original shape of the first egyptian ;D
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I love these bigbobs vs. ND debates.......always interesting....until blood is shed!! ;D
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Gift from the Gods lol if by ' wow factor ' you mean wow look at the gut?
the parrot again ::)
i can easily post a lot of shots from mr. olympia 95 showing comparisons between nasser and cormier where nasser bitch slapping him in a bad way but like this i am not neutral because nasser was close to his best and cormier was not!!.. corimier best was i think the olympia 99 and at this show nasser was very far away from his best AS YOU KNOW..
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the parrot again ::)
i can easily post a lot of shots from mr. olympia 95 showing comparisons between nasser and cormier where nasser bitch slapping him in a bad way but like this i am not neutral because nasser was close to his best and cormier was not!!.. corimier best was i think the olympia 99 and at this show nasser was very far away from his best AS YOU KNOW..
but of course ND is not biased, when called out on such inconsistencies he says he's just doing it to push buttons or get us riled up lol
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What place was Nasser again in this contest? ??? ;)
using this logic i can say nasser beat cormier MANY times more than cormier beat him.. but again here we are comparing them at their very best and i see nasser at his very best could beat cormier at his best easily as cormier was going to take the 2 back poses only!!..
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No way . Chris would say at his best he would easily beat Nasser. Nasser would beat him in some shots but in total Chris would take to many poses
so honestly if nasser of NOC 95 competed against chris of olympia 99 what poses you give to nasser and what poses you give to chris??.. plz put your clear hatred to nasser aside and get dorian's dick out of your mouth for a while to answer this then return everything back to its place!!..
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seems that some ppl forgot or "dont want to remember" how nasser looked at his best!!.. honestly it's not anything close between him and chris,.. both at their very best!!..
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Clearly Nasser has the size advantage.
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honestly besides the fact that Nasser is breathing out in that shot he is completely owning Chris on size, condition and thickness in that shot, look at the area between the edge of the traps and their heads, Nassers traps are 6 miles wide and Chris's are half that.
Geez 4 pages and team Nasser barely stepping up to the plate for their guy LOL! The responses in favor of Nasser make me laugh. We all say bb is dead, everyone looks like shit now, etc, etc. Here's a perfect example. CC DESTROYS Nasser! Perfect structure Chris had, perfect! Perfect structure AND perfect muscle shape. His back was good, borderline great. His legs had amazing lines, big arms, he had it all. "Oh he's small next to Nasser", he's 250lbs for christs sake! Nasser was bigger thats it. Looks like absolute ass next to Chris. We all hate what the size game did to bb yet we see the origans of it right here and people still choose the wrong guy. Cormier rapes Nasser, end of story, no argument. Awesome bb Cormier was, awesome. Wish the Mr. O looked like Chris did back then. And yes, Chris owns Phil if you want that comparison
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seems that some ppl forgot or "dont want to remember" how nasser looked at his best!!.. honestly it's not anything close between him and chris,.. both at their very best!!..
Thank you for showing how much better Chris looked compared to Nasser.
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Chris had a small window of time that he looked good and a even smaller window of time that he may have looked as good or better than nasser. Chris never was as good as he maybe could have been because he loved to party to much.
will those who know the facts let us know, who won the most MAJOR shows - Nasser or chirs? not backyard BB shows but real legit meaningful shows.
Nasser won what? 1 or 2 Arnold's
Chis won what?
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Clearly Nasser has the size advantage.
+ shape advantage and thickness..
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lol - way to go. Both you fags cherry pick the shit out of shit quality photos and compare to top quality photos, sometimes not even from the same day, let alone year!
This happens in all these fucking threads.
You can do this with any two bodybuilders and back up your statement.
Here is Frank Zane blowing the water out of Jay Cutler.
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+ shape advantage and thickness..
Chris has way better shape---shape that Nasser could only dream about...and thickness...
Turn Nasser around, and his lack of back thickness is apparent.
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seems that some ppl forgot or "dont want to remember" how nasser looked at his best!!.. honestly it's not anything close between him and chris,.. both at their very best!!..
Cormier destroys Nasser.
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seems that some ppl forgot or "dont want to remember" how nasser looked at his best!!.. honestly it's not anything close between him and chris,.. both at their very best!!..
In your comparison pics, I see
Nasser beating cormier on size, and on ab thigh, and marginally on side tri
Otherwise, even the great fdb is not better than chris
Also whilst larger, nowhere near as tight and crisp a s chris
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lol - way to go. Both you fags cherry pick the shit out of shit quality photos and compare to top quality photos, sometimes not even from the same day, let alone year!
This happens in all these fucking threads.
You can do this with any two bodybuilders and back up your statement.
Here is Frank Zane blowing the water out of Jay Cutler.
(http://acquireyok3d.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/frank-zane-abs.jpg) (http://www.ikeafans.com/galleries/images/3749/1_fridge_4.jpg)
Of course zane looks better. But you chose a shot of jay where he has no color, bit unfair
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Chris had a small window of time that he looked good and a even smaller window of time that he may have looked as good or better than nasser. Chris never was as good as he maybe could have been because he loved to party to much.
will those who know the facts let us know, who won the most MAJOR shows - Nasser or chirs? not backyard BB shows but real legit meaningful shows.
Nasser won what? 1 or 2 Arnold's
Chis won what?
regardless of comp results or records
Cormier at his best looked better than nasser at his best as evidenced by pics posted by sherief
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This thread is kinda like comparing a peak Levrone to a peak Cutler.... Or a peak Gunter to peak Lee Priest
none of them look bad... But opinions differ... So the threads will be never ending
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This thread is kinda like comparing a peak Levrone to a peak Cutler.... Or a peak Gunter to peak Lee Priest
none of them look bad... But opinions differ... So the threads will be never ending
LOL...Levrone to Cutler? I dont care if Jay had 12 Sandows, he'll never be thought of as better than Levrone...
Gunter vs. Priest? LMAO A R Y A N Gunter rapes that little shit eater.
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lol - way to go. Both you fags cherry pick the shit out of shit quality photos and compare to top quality photos, sometimes not even from the same day, let alone year!
This happens in all these fucking threads.
You can do this with any two bodybuilders and back up your statement.
Here is Frank Zane blowing the water out of Jay Cutler.
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but nasser and corimer never competed against each other when both were at their VERY best so i put pics of chris from mr. olympia 99 which was his best ever shape!!.. if you want them both on the same stage beside each other there are so many picture where nasser makes chris his bitch and slaps him on his right and left cheeks :-X..
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LOL...Levrone to Cutler? I dont care if Jay had 12 Sandows, he'll never be thought of as better than Levrone...
Gunter vs. Priest? LMAO A R Y A N Gunter rapes that little shit eater.
as a bb priest was a way better than gunter whom i consider one of the most overrated!!..
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99 Olympia Nasser was 265, one of his lowest bodyweights ever...280+ in 99? Do you always make shit up?! LOL at 265 he's dwarfing Cormier there now imagine a 280+ version.
AND if his back would make any version of him lose to Chris then why didn't his back prevent him from beating several times other bb's with developed backs like Levrone, Wheeler, Ray, Francois, etc.?
I didn't know what he weighed in 99 and it's a matter of semantics anyway , he was still heavier than Chris which is my point , you can talk about Nasser weighing so much more it's NOT an advantage he was heavier than 99.9% of the guys he competed with and usually lost , he looked better lighter anyway
and was Levrone , Wheeler , Ray and Francois all in top shape when he beat them? Nasser won 6 contests he lost much more than he won. At their respective bests Nasser would lose to Chris because Chris is more complete and would win more poses , that's how it works.
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as a bb priest was a way better than gunter whom i consider one of the most overrated!!..
Smiley SmileKramp
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99 AC Nasser beat Cormier with ease but ND will say that there was a huge difference between Cormier at the 99 AC and Olympia LOL
No they were exactly the same ::)
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the parrot again ::)
i can easily post a lot of shots from mr. olympia 95 showing comparisons between nasser and cormier where nasser bitch slapping him in a bad way but like this i am not neutral because nasser was close to his best and cormier was not!!.. corimier best was i think the olympia 99 and at this show nasser was very far away from his best AS YOU KNOW..
Post them and stop crying :'(
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I didn't know what he weighed in 99 and it's a matter of semantics anyway , he was still heavier than Chris which is my point , you can talk about Nasser weighing so much more it's NOT an advantage he was heavier than 99.9% of the guys he competed with and usually lost , he looked better lighter anyway
and was Levrone , Wheeler , Ray and Francois all in top shape when he beat them? Nasser won 6 contests he lost much more than he won. At their respective bests Nasser would lose to Chris because Chris is more complete and would win more poses , that's how it works.
so according to you why did nasser beat ray in 95, 97, and, 98 although i am sure according to you ray was more complete?!..
same with levrone in 96, 97, and, 98 :-X
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I didn't know what he weighed in 99 and it's a matter of semantics anyway , he was still heavier than Chris which is my point , you can talk about Nasser weighing so much more it's NOT an advantage he was heavier than 99.9% of the guys he competed with and usually lost , he looked better lighter anyway
Point is he's dwarfing Chris (at Chris' best) and at a size and condition much lower than his own best. Put his own best next to the same version of Chris and the discrepency would be even more.
and was Levrone , Wheeler , Ray and Francois all in top shape when he beat them? Nasser won 6 contests he lost much more than he won. At their respective bests Nasser would lose to Chris because Chris is more complete and would win more poses , that's how it works.
Not sure if they were at their very top shape, but they wer competitive in many shows where they lost to Nasser. Point is that just because Nasser's back is less detailed than another top pro does not mean he would lose to them, since your logic on him losing to Cormier is that he would lose from the back, yet he'd often place higher than other competitive top pros who had better backs than him. So again your logic fails. If the back was the end all he would never have placed in the top 6 even.
Funny hwo I have to always explain the point in detail for you. I think you honestly do understand the point often, but out of habit blindly reply with counterarguments, even when you know they are weak ones.
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I didn't know what he weighed in 99 and it's a matter of semantics anyway , he was still heavier than Chris which is my point , you can talk about Nasser weighing so much more it's NOT an advantage he was heavier than 99.9% of the guys he competed with and usually lost , he looked better lighter anyway
and was Levrone , Wheeler , Ray and Francois all in top shape when he beat them? Nasser won 6 contests he lost much more than he won. At their respective bests Nasser would lose to Chris because Chris is more complete and would win more poses , that's how it works.
I love how bobs only arguement is that he was bigger and thicker...Ok Ruhl and Kovacs were also...what the fuck is th point? a 260lb Cormier (99 Mr. 0) is better than all forms of Nassole. 250-280....This fucking nimcumpoot fails to understand quality over quantity.
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seems that some ppl forgot or "dont want to remember" how nasser looked at his best!!.. honestly it's not anything close between him and chris,.. both at their very best!!..
HAhahahahahahaha another Sherief backfire lol it's not anything close ::) thanks for proving MY point ;)
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I love how bobs only arguement is that he was bigger and thicker...Ok Ruhl and Kovacs were also...what the fuck is th point? a 260lb Cormier (99 Mr. 0) is better than all forms of Nassole. 250-280....This fucking nimcumpoot fails to understand quality over quantity.
LOL that's the "only argument" your pea-brain was able to gather from my post ::)
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so according to you why did nasser beat ray in 95, 97, and, 98 although i am sure according to you ray was more complete?!..
same with levrone in 96, 97, and, 98 :-X
They were OFF that's the only time he could ;)
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I love how bobs only arguement is that he was bigger and thicker...Ok Ruhl and Kovacs were also...what the fuck is th point? a 260lb Cormier (99 Mr. 0) is better than all forms of Nassole. 250-280....This fucking nimcumpoot fails to understand quality over quantity.
because:
ruhl = mass - class..
nasser = mass + class..
:-X
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They were OFF that's the only time he could ;)
now you're just trolling.
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LOL that's the "only argument" your pea-brain was able to gather from my post ::)
You have no argument "babbu". You're all over the place. Perhaps if you typed in coherent ENGLISH, you'd be better understood. Quit comparing Kia to Porsche...You're sick and need help, it's pretty pathetic...As you have seen, there really is no comparison...
I'd say I understand you with nassole being one of the few bodybuilders that look like you and you clinging to that but I don't as my people dominate the "sport" :-*
Train hard little fella... :-*
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They were OFF that's the only time he could ;)
ray were off in these 3 years!!! ::).. ray was always on and especially in 95 and 97.. flex magazine (your bible) stated that ray looked the same in 96 as 95 which shows how he was on in 95 because 96 was considered one of his very best shapes.. also dorian (your master) saw ray deserving the 2nd place in 95.. sure yates was wrong but again this shows ray was on..
and levrone too was on in these 3 years.. not at his best but nasser too was not at his very best and still beat him!!..
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because:
ruhl = mass - class..
nasser = mass + class..
:-X
Nassole at 280 was anything but class.
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You have no argument "babbu". You're all over the place. Perhaps if you typed in coherent ENGLISH, you'd be better understood. Quit comparing Kia to Porsche...You're sick and need help, it's pretty pathetic...As you have seen, there really is no comparison...
I'd say I understand you with nassole being one of the few bodybuilders that look like you and you clinging to that but I don't as my people dominate the "sport" :-*
Train hard little fella... :-*
I have nothing against you Wiggs, so can't be bothered to get into a flame exchange. From your posts you either clear did not read mine or did not understand them, I'm assuming it's the former because my posts are not difficult to understand.
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I have nothing against you Wiggs, so can't be bothered to get into a flame exchange. From your posts you either clear did not read mine or did not understand them, I'm assuming it's the former because my posts are not difficult to understand.
You are a very bad debater...When something doesn't work for you, you'll use something totally irrelavant to try and prove your point...That's stretching...You've done this for years and you still do it. Same topic, same person. You are anything but objective. I have my favorites but can pick them apart as well as I can someone who I'm not fond of. You can not.
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I dont even think the two are comparable...one is aesthetic the other is mass with class (beautiful man @ 300 w/abs). I'm a fan of both, but my preference would be to look like CC if I had to choose.. It is a damn shame that in today's crop you have maybe 3 top pros (Philsulin, Gai Greene, and who ever the flavor of the month is) whereas back then you could go 12 deep with quality physiques.
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Point is he's dwarfing Chris (at Chris' best) and at a size and condition much lower than his own best. Put his own best next to the same version of Chris and the discrepency would be even more.
Not sure if they were at their very top shape, but they wer competitive in many shows where they lost to Nasser. Point is that just because Nasser's back is less detailed than another top pro does not mean he would lose to them, since your logic on him losing to Cormier is that he would lose from the back, yet he'd often place higher than other competitive top pros who had better backs than him. So again your logic fails. If the back was the end all he would never have placed in the top 6 even.
Funny hwo I have to always explain the point in detail for you. I think you honestly do understand the point often, but out of habit blindly reply with counterarguments, even when you know they are weak ones.
Point is he's dwarfing Chris (at Chris' best) and at a size and condition much lower than his own best. Put his own best next to the same version of Chris and the discrepency would be even more.
You keep trying to use this size advantage like it is one and it's not , he's ' dwarfing ' Chris and he still fucking lost , and even heavier he would still suck from behind. all you can cling to is the size advantage and it's useless. Please keep this in your head , he was bigger than 99% of the field and lost more often than he ever won
Not sure if they were at their very top shape, but they wer competitive in many shows where they lost to Nasser. Point is that just because Nasser's back is less detailed than another top pro does not mean he would lose to them, since your logic on him losing to Cormier is that he would lose from the back, yet he'd often place higher than other competitive top pros who had better backs than him. So again your logic fails. If the back was the end all he would never have placed in the top 6 even.
Nasser's back as explained to you numerous times isn't just lacking detail , it's missing much more and he's a completely different guy when he turns around. Just because he managed to beat guys with backs doesn't mean his isn't a flaw. He beat them when they were off , they usually kicked his ass when they were on
And the reason why the back trumps Nasser is because................. ........................ Nasser supposedly had every part better than Dorian except back and he still fucking lost ;) so in the end Nasser would lost to Chris for the same reasons he lost to Dorian and others
Funny hwo I have to always explain the point in detail for you. I think you honestly do understand the point often, but out of habit blindly reply with counterarguments, even when you know they are weak ones.
Says the guy who when confronted with facts on why his hero simply wasn't good enough always claims it was POLITICS , and none of my arguments are weak I never make excuses like you and team Nasser do , I don't make things up like you ( Mike Francois never came close to Nasser 95 on ::) )
Team excuses in full effect for 2012 , you have to make excuses because the truth hurts Nasser isn't that good compared to a LOT of guys , I have the history & the facts to prove this , you have excuses and denial , keep them
Nasser looks great in a few front poses , is no where near the force from the sides and blatantly sucks from the back , he has 6 wins in 53 contests big deal , you will never escape facts my friend
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You are a very bad debater...When something doesn't work for you, you'll use something totally irrelavant to try and prove your point...That's stretching...You've done this for years and you still do it. Same topic, same person. You are anything but objective. I have my favorites but can pick them apart as well as I can someone who I'm not fond of. You can not.
Great point , he sucks at debating because he has to try and rearrange history to fit his point of view which contradicts it. He's outright lied when comparing Nasser and Mike Francois , everything that proves he's wrong he glosses over
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You keep trying to use this size advantage like it is one and it's not , he's ' dwarfing ' Chris and he still fucking lost , and even heavier he would still suck from behind. all you can cling to is the size advantage and it's useless. Please keep this in your head , he was bigger than 99% of the field and lost more often than he ever won
Nasser's back as explained to you numerous times isn't just lacking detail , it's missing much more and he's a completely different guy when he turns around. Just because he managed to beat guys with backs doesn't mean his isn't a flaw. He beat them when they were off , they usually kicked his ass when they were on
And the reason why the back trumps Nasser is because................. ........................ Nasser supposedly had every part better than Dorian except back and he still fucking lost ;) so in the end Nasser would lost to Chris for the same reasons he lost to Dorian and others
Says the guy who when confronted with facts on why his hero simply wasn't good enough always claims it was POLITICS , and none of my arguments are weak I never make excuses like you and team Nasser do , I don't make things up like you ( Mike Francois never came close to Nasser 95 on ::) )
Team excuses in full effect for 2012 , you have to make excuses because the truth hurts Nasser isn't that good compared to a LOT of guys , I have the history & the facts to prove this , you have excuses and denial , keep them
Nasser looks great in a few front poses , is no where near the force from the sides and blatantly sucks from the back , he has 6 wins in 53 contests big deal , you will never escape facts my friend
*yawn* tons of typing nad you're not bringing anything new to the table. Like i said and how Shareef proved earlier, when Nasser was on he did beat many competitive pros at their best or near best who had better backs than Nasser. Therefore, you can't use the argument alone that Nasser would lose to Cormier because he has a worse back. Same for the Francois argument. Maybe you should try to address this instead of discussing whether size makes a difference, how much difference it makes, etc. And since Wiggs thnks my arguments have no point or are easy to pick apart, how bout he take a whack at addressing this too?
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Nassar would be held in a higher regard if all his 'fan' base wouldn't go out of their collective way to make such ludicrous claims...
You guys are actually hurting his legacy in the end lol
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but nasser and corimer never competed against each other when both were at their VERY best so i put pics of chris from mr. olympia 99 which was his best ever shape!!.. if you want them both on the same stage beside each other there are so many picture where nasser makes chris his bitch and slaps him on his right and left cheeks :-X..
Looking at 1st pics you posted objectively, don't you think vince taylor looks so much better than nasser?
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Nassole at 280 was anything but class.
in this pic. (olympia 96) he was 285 pounds.. do you think he lacked any symmetry, shape, or, proportion??.. what is "class" then?!..
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ray were off in these 3 years!!! ::).. ray was always on and especially in 95 and 97.. flex magazine (your bible) stated that ray looked the same in 96 as 95 which shows how he was on in 95 because 96 was considered one of his very best shapes.. also dorian (your master) saw ray deserving the 2nd place in 95.. sure yates was wrong but again this shows ray was on..
and levrone too was on in these 3 years.. not at his best but nasser too was not at his very best and still beat him!!..
He wasn't the same in 95 as he was in 96 , if he was he would have beaten Nasser in 95 like he did in 96 ;)
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Nassar would be held in a higher regard if all his 'fan' base wouldn't go out of their collective way to make such ludicrous claims...
You guys are actually hurting his legacy in the end lol
What's the ludicrous claim?
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He wasn't the same in 95 as he was in 96 , if he was he would have beaten Nasser in 95 like he did in 96 ;)
Again you did not address the point. In 95 Ray was competitive (will avoid the argument of whether he was at his best but you can't claim he was off or far from his best)...point is he was a top pro, in good shape, had a better back than Nasser, but lost to him. So this (+ other examples) shows you can't dismiss Nasser vs. others like Cormier or Francois simply based on the back.
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He wasn't the same in 95 as he was in 96 , if he was he would have beaten Nasser in 95 like he did in 96 ;)
you said clearly he was off in 95 but according to flex magazine experts and dorian he was on.. go to youtube and watch his posing routines in both years and you will find yourself watching the exact same thing but one time with hair and the other without!!..
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in this pic. (olympia 96) he was 285 pounds.. do you think he lacked any symmetry, shape, or, proportion??.. what is "class" then?!..
at his height he carried 285 very well compared to some
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hammer's nest thread:
dillett was a better bb than nasser :-X
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at his height he carried 285 very well compared to some
according to ND he was not built to carry anything more than 260 pounds ::)
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hammer's nest thread:
dillett was a better bb than nasser :-X
what did dillet weigh at his heaviest?
He did dwarf nasser in some pics in earlier shows
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*yawn* tons of typing nad you're not bringing anything new to the table. Like i said and how Shareef proved earlier, when Nasser was on he did beat many competitive pros at their best or near best who had better backs than Nasser. Therefore, you can't use the argument alone that Nasser would lose to Cormier because he has a worse back. Same for the Francois argument. Maybe you should try to address this instead of discussing whether size makes a difference, how much difference it makes, etc. And since Wiggs thnks my arguments have no point or are easy to pick apart, how bout he take a whack at addressing this too?
No kidding nothing new to the table , because I explained to you dozens of times how and why Nasser lost and would lose , you as usual are iceskating up-hill trying desperately to rewrite history and thanks for proving us right , when faced with facts you look for a way out ;)
Nasser beat top tier guys when they were OFF when they were on he would be left for dead by real top tier pros like Flex , Kevin , Dorian , Ronnie all who beat him despite being lighter
According to you and Team Delusional , the only place Dorian beats Nasser is back and Nasser has him everywhere else , if entertaining your train of thought how could this happen? Nasser beat many guys near their best despite this short coming ! Nasser 1996 was 285lbs at what many consider his best he dwarfed Dorian and Shawn and still lost to both of them , following your logic it should have been a Nasser cake walk , Dorian wasn't at his best either. Please spare me the politics because that wont even be entertained
I have a clue for your , Nasser's is NO WHERE near as good as you pretend he was
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Breaking news: 100+ Nasser vs Ray and Nasser vs Cormier threads coming our way. Pure genius. I'll start the Nasser vs Godzilla soon. Who had the better back?
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what did dillet weigh at his heaviest?
He did dwarf nasser in some pics in earlier shows
so you want to include dillett here instead of starting a separate thread??.. ok dillett only dwarfed nasser in 94.. after this nasser was beating him in size and shape and everything and of course in posing lol..
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according to ND he was not built to carry anything more than 260 pounds ::)
I'm not nassers fan club president, but he did carry it better than others, and the times dictated extreme size, however, earliy nasser, IMO, was a better look
I don't know the years, mid 90s somewhere, can't remember
So you could say he looked best around 250-260
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according to ND he was not built to carry anything more than 260 pounds ::)
Team LIAR in full effect , I asked you dozens of times to show me where I said that and you have NOT answered the challenge , I've said many times he carried his size well , however playing the mass monster game was counterproductive , he made him soft from the back and he had no back
he had a back ( somewhat ) at 260lbs above that he was soft as a marsh mellow
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Breaking news: 100+ Nasser vs Ray and Nasser vs Cormier threads coming our way. Pure genius. I'll start the Nasser vs Godzilla soon. Who had the better back?
nasser was better in all poses except the 2 back poses..
this can be said when comparing nasser to any other top pro and also godzilla..
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so you want to include dillett here instead of starting a separate thread??.. ok dillett only dwarfed nasser in 94.. after this nasser was beating him in size and shape and everything and of course in posing lol..
lol
There's a pic on first page here I think, dillet is manhandling him
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I'm not nassers fan club president, but he did carry it better than others, and the times dictated extreme size, however, earliy nasser, IMO, was a better look
I don't know the years, mid 90s somewhere, can't remember
So you could say he looked best around 250-260
yes imo his best show was NOC 95 and huston 95.. he was 260 and 268 pounds..
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you said clearly he was off in 95 but according to flex magazine experts and dorian he was on.. go to youtube and watch his posing routines in both years and you will find yourself watching the exact same thing but one time with hair and the other without!!..
He's not the same , I have the videos , So Flex and Dorian said , Dorian soundly beat Nasser in 97 I'm sure you agree with that too? ;)
95 Shawn was slightly off , Nasser wasn't , Nasser edged him out , Shawn on the money in 96 and beat a 285lbs Nasser 8)
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He's not the same , I have the videos , So Flex and Dorian said , Dorian soundly beat Nasser in 97 I'm sure you agree with that too? ;)
95 Shawn was slightly off , Nasser wasn't , Nasser edged him out , Shawn on the money in 96 and beat a 285lbs Nasser 8)
You keep dodging the point - no wonder, because you don't have a defence to it. Shawn does not have to be at his VERY BEST OF HIS CAREER in 95 for the example to apply. He had a better back than Nasser but still lost. Therefore you can't always use the argument that Cormier or Francois, etc. had a better back and therefore would win. 95 Ray is just one example that can be used, there are many others too.
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Team LIAR in full effect , I asked you dozens of times to show me where I said that and you have NOT answered the challenge , I've said many times he carried his size well , however playing the mass monster game was counterproductive , he made him soft from the back and he had no back
he had a back ( somewhat ) at 260lbs above that he was soft as a marsh mellow
you keep posting this shot while nasser had many better back versions than this at +280 pound.. olympia 96 for example!!.. then you call me selective with pictures ::)
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Again you did not address the point. In 95 Ray was competitive (will avoid the argument of whether he was at his best but you can't claim he was off or far from his best)...point is he was a top pro, in good shape, had a better back than Nasser, but lost to him. So this (+ other examples) shows you can't dismiss Nasser vs. others like Cormier or Francois simply based on the back.
The master of not addressing my points wants his answered ::)
I already explained this to you , these guys would beat Nasser the same reason Dorian did , they would accumulate more mandatory poses , Nasser is very competitive from the front , from the sides he's not the same and from the back he sucks
This is how it works , against a career best Chris , Nasser would win the ab-thigh , maybe the front double biceps , I don't see him having a better standing relaxed than Chris , 1/4 turns , Nasser isn't the dominate force from the sides , he would lose the 1/4 turns , maybe win the side triceps , Chris has a better side chest in my opinion , from the back forget it
Pay attention because this is how it works , Nasser would give Chris a run for his money in some shots but Chris would rack up more poses than Nasser for the win , the same reason Dorian beat him , Kevin beat him , Flex beat him , etc
Nasser happened to beat them Yippeeee they were usually off when he did , doesn't mean he could replicate that when they were dead on the money
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you keep posting this shot while nasser had many better back versions than this at +280 pound.. olympia 96 for example!!.. then you call me selective with pictures ::)
His back was lacking at the 96 Olympia , compared to 95 and compared to Dorian and Mike , and Flex and Chris and shall I continue? you can see the lack of depth , separation and density already taken place
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You keep dodging the point - no wonder, because you don't have a defence to it. Shawn does not have to be at his VERY BEST OF HIS CAREER in 95 for the example to apply. He had a better back than Nasser but still lost. Therefore you can't always use the argument that Cormier or Francois, etc. had a better back and therefore would win. 95 Ray is just one example that can be used, there are many others too.
He had a better back than Nasser? Shawn's back isn't Ronnie's back or Kevin's or Dorians. His latspreads sucked and he knew it , his back wasn't superwide but relatively thick and very detailed but it's not in their league
Again I can use the argument that they would win from the back easily and why? because they aren't missing an entire muscle group , ontop of being soft from the back , just because Nasser managed to beat Shawn in 95 has nothing to do with , Mike or Chris from the back
That's like saying Nasser's size means nothing because Shawn beat him in 96 , so you can't use size as an advantage ::)
Nasser had more size in 96 and still lost to Shawn ( and Dorian ) so you can't use size as an advantage ::)
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here is ray in 95, 96, &, 97.. ND how do you see him on in 96 but off in 95 and 97?!.. the guy was always on and this is the main thing i like about him!!..
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and against what many ppl say nasser at 97 olympia was not at his best and was not close to his best.. in 95 and 96 he was bigger and harder.. he was relatively off in 97 but still beat ray and levrone..
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here is ray in 95, 96, &, 97.. ND how do you see him on in 96 but off in 95 and 97?!.. the guy was always on and this is the main thing i like about him!!..
WOW you certainly proved your point with 3 pics with different lighting , quality , etc ::)
he was on but when he was slightly off he could be beaten , he was dead on the money in 96 and 94 which are considered his prime showings , both contests he beat Nasser , see a pattern here? :D
Shawn , Kevin , Chris , Mike , Nasser were all guys that could be beaten if they were slightly off , guys like Ronnie , Dorian and Flex could beat guys even when they were off , Flex paid the price more so than Ronnie and Dorian for this
Dorian could beat anyone despite being off 1997 , 1996 , 1994 , off is a relative term in relation to themselves , Dorian off was still better than your hero ( among others ) on , same with Ronnie
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WOW you certainly proved your point with 3 pics with different lighting , quality , etc ::)
he was on but when he was slightly off he could be beaten , he was dead on the money in 96 and 94 which are considered his prime showings , both contests he beat Nasser , see a pattern here? :D
Shawn , Kevin , Chris , Mike , Nasser were all guys that could be beaten if they were slightly off , guys like Ronnie , Dorian and Flex could beat guys even when they were off , Flex paid the price more so than Ronnie and Dorian for this
Dorian could beat anyone despite being off 1997 , 1996 , 1994 , off is a relative term in relation to themselves , Dorian off was still better than your hero ( among others ) on , same with Ronnie
stop changing your words.. you said clearly ray was off in 95 and 97 and 98 and kevin was off in 96, 97, and, 98.. now off has become a relative term!!.. yes it's very relative according to you.. when a top pro is beaten by nasser he is off and when he beats nasser he is on.. very simple :-\
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stop changing your words.. you said clearly ray was off in 95 and 97 and 98 and kevin was off in 96, 97, and, 98.. now off has become a relative term!!.. yes it's very relative according to you.. when a top pro is beaten by nasser he is off and when he beats nasser he is on.. very simple :-\
Ray was off from 94 in 95 , and he was back on in 96 and so was Nasser who lost to Ray ;)
it is simply , there are guys who could still win if they were off while other guys were on
Dorian , Ronnie and Flex could beat guys even when they were off. Shawn was dead on the money in 94 and still lost to Dorian. Again it's all relative Dorian was off for Dorian and still eons better than anyone else , like Nasser in 97
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Ray was off from 94 in 95 , and he was back on in 96 and so was Nasser who lost to Ray ;)
it is simply , there are guys who could still win if they were off while other guys were on
Dorian , Ronnie and Flex could beat guys even when they were off. Shawn was dead on the money in 94 and still lost to Dorian. Again it's all relative Dorian was off for Dorian and still eons better than anyone else , like Nasser in 97
ok i wont press on you more about 95 because it's clear you have nothing to say.. now what about 97??.. you see shawn off too??.. and again he was off in 98??... but sure according to you he was on in 99 although he came in 5th because he beat nasser :-X
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ok i wont press on you more about 95 because it's clear you have nothing to say.. now what about 97??.. you see shawn off too??.. and again he was off in 98??... but sure according to you he was on in 99 although he came in 5th because he beat nasser :-X
Press me all you want and I will continue to tell you Shawn was OFF relative to 1994 and if he was in the exact same shape as he was in 1995 , Nasser would have been 4th . what happened when Shawn came back in dead on the money like he did in 1996? he beat Nasser again , Shawn started to go down hill ( again relative to his previous showings ) in 97/98/99 etc which is why he wasn't a top contender anymore
What happens when Shawn is 100%? he beats Nasser and Nasser's best Olympia may have been 96
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The master of not addressing my points wants his answered ::)
I already explained this to you , these guys would beat Nasser the same reason Dorian did , they would accumulate more mandatory poses , Nasser is very competitive from the front , from the sides he's not the same and from the back he sucks
This is how it works , against a career best Chris , Nasser would win the ab-thigh , maybe the front double biceps , I don't see him having a better standing relaxed than Chris , 1/4 turns , Nasser isn't the dominate force from the sides , he would lose the 1/4 turns , maybe win the side triceps , Chris has a better side chest in my opinion , from the back forget it
Pay attention because this is how it works , Nasser would give Chris a run for his money in some shots but Chris would rack up more poses than Nasser for the win , the same reason Dorian beat him , Kevin beat him , Flex beat him , etc
Nasser happened to beat them Yippeeee they were usually off when he did , doesn't mean he could replicate that when they were dead on the money
And Nasser was off when Kevin and Flex beat him too - argument can go both ways.
Your breakdown of who would iwn based on mandatory poses is far form reality. How about you do a similar breakdown of mandatory poses for Levrone 97 and Levrone 98 vs. Nasser (both years' olympias) as Levrone lost to Nasser in both yet using your logic you woudl still say "Levorne wins from the back, sides and certain front poses in 97-98.
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And Nasser was off when Kevin and Flex beat him too - argument can go both ways.
Your breakdown of who would iwn based on mandatory poses is far form reality. How about you do a similar breakdown of mandatory poses for Levrone 97 and Levrone 98 vs. Nasser (both years' olympias) as Levrone lost to Nasser in both yet using your logic you woudl still say "Levorne wins from the back, sides and certain front poses in 97-98.
Perhaps but Kevin routinely beat Nasser wanna go down that road again?
What does Kevin have to do with Chris? And again if Nasser beat guys with better backs all the time why did he never beat Dorian? especially according to you Nasser beats Dorian on every part sans back , explain that one
Kevin was hit or miss , the guy didn't train for 6 months at a time , if he had Dorian's dedication he would have been much more consistent , same with Chris same with Flex
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lol, ND speaks the truth about Kevin.
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Perhaps but Kevin routinely beat Nasser wanna go down that road again?
What does Kevin have to do with Chris? And again if Nasser beat guys with better backs all the time why did he never beat Dorian? especially according to you Nasser beats Dorian on every part sans back , explain that one
Kevin was hit or miss , the guy didn't train for 6 months at a time , if he had Dorian's dedication he would have been much more consistent , same with Chris same with Flex
Not sure why it takes so much explaining for you to understand, unless you're just pretending that you're missing the simple point to keep the argument going.
Nasser beat guys with better backs than him (while they were in good condition too), and also lost at times to guys with better backs. What does this mean? Means that your simple argument you always use that "prime Cormier or prime Francois woudl beat prime Nasser because they have better backs" does not hold any weight.
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Chris Cormier had a better physique.
Who was the better bodybuilder ? I don't know , who won more shows or placed better in the big shows ???
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Chris Cormier had a better physique.
Who was the better bodybuilder ? I don't know , who won more shows or placed better in the big shows ???
Nasser.
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Nasser.
That's your answer , Nasser was the better bodybuilder.
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Yet he is still alive wonder when he is going to drop dead of a heart attack from all the rec drugs. Hope that doesn't happen but these days chris doesn't look all there :-\
Do you know for sure he does a lot of rec drugs? Did you witness this first hand or did you just read an article or thread on the boards in which someone knew someone who was at a party with Chris and saw him taking rec drugs. That goes for everyone on this thread. Have you witnessed it personally or are you just helping perpetuate an unsubstantiated rumor?
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Do you know for sure he does a lot of rec drugs? Did you witness this first hand or did you just read an article or thread on the boards in a where someone knew someone who was at a party with Chris and saw him taking rec drugs. That goes for everyone on this thread. Have you witnessed it personally or are you just helping perpetuate an unsubstantiated rumor?
I bought weed and X from him, does that count?
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That's your answer , Nasser was the better bodybuilder.
No, nasser was the more successful bber
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Not sure why it takes so much explaining for you to understand, unless you're just pretending that you're missing the simple point to keep the argument going.
Nasser beat guys with better backs than him (while they were in good condition too), and also lost at times to guys with better backs. What does this mean? Means that your simple argument you always use that "prime Cormier or prime Francois woudl beat prime Nasser because they have better backs" does not hold any weight.
My simple argument which you can't seem to comprehend is , Nasser would lose to guys like Chris & Mike not because they have better backs , because................. ........................ .. they would simply win more mandatory poses and it's not just the back , it's from the back. Nasser was two different bodybuilders from the front & back
I've explained this to you numerous times , you keep missing the point , it's poses that win contests and Mike and Chris would beat Nasser because they would win more poses , Nasser is competitive from the front , no so much from the sides and he offers nothing from the back. Nasser would win a couple lose most , that's how it works.
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I bought weed and X from him, does that count?
sure you did.
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My simple argument which you can't seem to comprehend is , Nasser would lose to guys like Chris & Mike not because they have better backs , because................. ........................ .. they would simply win more mandatory poses and it's not just the back , it's from the back. Nasser was two different bodybuilders from the front & back
I've explained this to you numerous times , you keep missing the point , it's poses that win contests and Mike and Chris would beat Nasser because they would win more poses , Nasser is competitive from the front , no so much from the sides and he offers nothing from the back. Nasser would win a couple lose most , that's how it works.
Wrong YOU think Nasser would lose more mandatories. That's why I challenged you to pick a year where Levrone lost to Nasser (for example Mr. Olympia 96, 97, or 98) and do the same breakdown of mandatories, using your flawed logic you woudl get the same result that nasser loses more mandatories therefore he must lose - but in actuality he placed higher in those shows, despite YOUR breakdown of mandatories.
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Tamali looks quite good there.
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My simple argument which you can't seem to comprehend is , Nasser would lose to guys like Chris & Mike not because they have better backs , because................. ........................ .. they would simply win more mandatory poses and it's not just the back , it's from the back. Nasser was two different bodybuilders from the front & back
I've explained this to you numerous times , you keep missing the point , it's poses that win contests and Mike and Chris would beat Nasser because they would win more poses , Nasser is competitive from the front , no so much from the sides and he offers nothing from the back. Nasser would win a couple lose most , that's how it works.
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nasser was very good from the side and those who say he was not are just trying to increase his weak points by any mean!!.. because nasser at his best had less weak points that most of the other top pros..
it's illogical to think/believe for example that his chest looks thick, hard, and, full from the front but the same chest looks flat and small from the side!!!.. same can be said about all parts.. if you look at him from the side his quads were always better than all his competitors including dorian.. same with his huge shoulders..
the only weak point about nasser from the side imo is his execution of the side chest pose.. not saying he was hitting it wrong all the time but i believe he could hit it better..
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Thanks for providing VISUAL PROOF as always Sheiref! I never understood the "Nasser is weak from the side" argument either, seems to have just been fabricated by Dorian fans who try to look for reasons to argue that Dorian's wins were all fair.
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Wrong YOU think Nasser would lose more mandatories. That's why I challenged you to pick a year where Levrone lost to Nasser (for example Mr. Olympia 96, 97, or 98) and do the same breakdown of mandatories, using your flawed logic you woudl get the same result that nasser loses more mandatories therefore he must lose - but in actuality he placed higher in those shows, despite YOUR breakdown of mandatories.
Again entertaining your nonsense why could Nasser never beat Dorian? ( spare me the politics excuses ) be beat guys with better backs and according to you he has every other muscle bigger and better than Dorian , why did he never once beat him?
Why did Nasser beat Kevin in those years? he was on and Kevin was off. when Kevin was on and Nasser was on Kevin would beat him like at the 1995 Mr Olympia
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backfire ;)
Like I said he can beat guys from the front in some poses , from the side he's not the same force and from the back he sucks
Nasser does NOT know how to pose , his side chest could be better because of the way he does it where he keeps his arm low and doesn't expand his rib-cage and pull back the pecs , his side triceps is the same , he's stands up to straight and doesn't bend his leg enough he looks odd in the shot
Thanks for showing Chris smokes him ;)
Now check out his side chest ( don't concentrate on the year just the way he does the shot ) Vince is smoking him with a textbook side chest shot , I think if Nasser did the pose correctly he would look much better
Same with the side triceps shot look at how he does it , it's as if he's just standing straight , Dorian is killing him in this shot because he's better and he knows how to pose.
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man, Vince is taking Nasser to school with that side chest shot :o
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Thanks for providing VISUAL PROOF as always Sheiref! I never understood the "Nasser is weak from the side" argument either, seems to have just been fabricated by Dorian fans who try to look for reasons to argue that Dorian's wins were all fair.
See above ;)
Nasser can stand with almost any pro in the front double biceps , most muscular and ab-thigh , he looks good in the standing relaxed from the front , from the sides he is NOT the same force ,he can't pose correctly and he's not as imposing from the sides , in front poses he looks huge from the side he doesn't from the back :-X
And there you go again , with the excuses why Nasser couldn't win ::) if Dorian's wins weren't fair then neither were Nasser's , you can't have it both ways. You make an excuses for everything and if entertaining what you say is true Nasser would have been a clear winner and he really wasn't despite your claims to the contrary
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Again entertaining your nonsense why could Nasser never beat Dorian? ( spare me the politics excuses ) be beat guys with better backs and according to you he has every other muscle bigger and better than Dorian , why did he never once beat him?
Yes I do believe politics played a huge part there but will put that aside since that's a different topic altogether, however I will point out that it's strange that you're now comparing Dorian to Cormier and Francois? ::)
Why did Nasser beat Kevin in those years? he was on and Kevin was off. when Kevin was on and Nasser was on Kevin would beat him like at the 1995 Mr Olympia
As I guessed you would, you avoided doing your breakdown of mandatory poses of Nasser vs. Levrone in the years Levrone lost because you know that will prove my point ;)
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backfire ;)
Like I said he can beat guys from the front in some poses , from the side he's not the same force and from the back he sucks
Nasser does NOT know how to pose , his side chest could be better because of the way he does it where he keeps his arm low and doesn't expand his rib-cage and pull back the pecs , his side triceps is the same , he's stands up to straight and doesn't bend his leg enough he looks odd in the shot
Thanks for showing Chris smokes him ;)
Now check out his side chest ( don't concentrate on the year just the way he does the shot ) Vince is smoking him with a textbook side chest shot , I think if Nasser did the pose correctly he would look much better
Same with the side triceps shot look at how he does it , it's as if he's just standing straight , Dorian is killing him in this shot because he's better and he knows how to pose.
bahahaha so you're using a 94 Nasser vs. Dillet (when Nasser was much smaller) to suggest that Nasser is weaker than Cormier from the side?? again shows you're ridiculous biases
And not sure what your second pic from 96 Nasser vs. Ray and Dorian is supposed to prove. He looks totally fine up there. Ray is not even flexible enough to do the pose right.
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See above ;)
Nasser can stand with almost any pro in the front double biceps , most muscular and ab-thigh , he looks good in the standing relaxed from the front , from the sides he is NOT the same force ,he can't pose correctly and he's not as imposing from the sides , in front poses he looks huge from the side he doesn't from the back :-X
And there you go again , with the excuses why Nasser couldn't win ::) if Dorian's wins weren't fair then neither were Nasser's , you can't have it both ways. You make an excuses for everything and if entertaining what you say is true Nasser would have been a clear winner and he really wasn't despite your claims to the contrary
I can entertain that his side poses were not quite as strong as his front but by no means are they weak and by no means does he lose on the side shots to someone like Cormier or Francois - which was the original topic of discusion (well Cormier was at least the topic of discussion).
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Nasser can stand with almost any pro in the front double biceps , most muscular and ab-thigh , he looks good in the standing relaxed from the front
Correction actually he could practically beat anyone in the front double biceps, most muscular and ab thigh pose ;) (not just "he can stand with almost any pro"...)
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Correction actually he could practically beat anyone in the front double biceps, most muscular and ab thigh pose ;) (not just "he can stand with almost any pro"...)
Actually, not only does he beat most other pros in the FDB, he destroys them. Same with the ab thigh..
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Actually, not only does he beat most other pros in the FDB, he destroys them. Same with the ab thigh..
True, and ND knows this, he's just a bit biased. Actually I think he naturally does not have much of a bias but when debating myself, Sherief, etc. he exaggerates the opposite opinion more so than he truely believes.
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nasser was very good from the side and those who say he was not are just trying to increase his weak points by any mean!!.. because nasser at his best had less weak points that most of the other top pros..
it's illogical to think/believe for example that his chest looks thick, hard, and, full from the front but the same chest looks flat and small from the side!!!.. same can be said about all parts.. if you look at him from the side his quads were always better than all his competitors including dorian.. same with his huge shoulders..
the only weak point about nasser from the side imo is his execution of the side chest pose.. not saying he was hitting it wrong all the time but i believe he could hit it better..
More to consider than what you like on Nasser , again recall all rounds are physique rounds and all poses are judged the same way , so while you can look at a pose and say this and this is better on Nasser , you can not forget the rest of the criteria ( which you often overlook once you see what you like better )
Recall posing AND presentation is also being judged ( along with everything else ) as you can plainly see Nasser doesn't correctly do the side chest , or the side triceps in which he stands up to vertically and doesn't bend his leg forward enough ( see above pics ) his front latspread he concentrates on flexing his abs , he wasn't a great poser never was
Shawn like Arnold went to ballet classes to learn how to move he was a very good poser and posed to his physique style , Nasser was like Dorian and had a big physique so obviously he's not pose like Shawn or Flex but he never really learned to pose as effectively as he could , Dorian knew how to pose effectively
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True, and ND knows this, he's just a bit biased. Actually I think he naturally does not have much of a bias but when debating myself, Sherief, etc. he exaggerates the opposite opinion more so than he truely believes.
Hes not biased against Nasser, he's biased against you!
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Hes not biased against Nasser, he's biased against you!
lol but he takes it out by posting obviously-biased posts against Nasser. Sometimes when i call him out on it he admits he does it to rile us up which again proves my point.
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True, and ND knows this, he's just a bit biased. Actually I think he naturally does not have much of a bias but when debating myself, Sherief, etc. he exaggerates the opposite opinion more so than he truely believes.
Oh please I give Nasser credit where it's due , you people think way to highly of him and don't like hearing anything to the contrary
His front double biceps is a very good shot for him , as is the standing relaxed and most muscular and ab-thigh , all the other poses he's is NOT the same force it's just a fact , the guy is Mr Olympia from the front and a nationals level competitor from the back and a good pro from the sides
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I like Cormier, but Nasser at his best would probably beat Cormier at his best, simply because he was 10 times harder from the front and a bunch bigger. Cormier never came in dry and ripped, although everyone can see he's got the structure to kill Nasser. From the back Cormier wins, but tons of guys beat Nasser from the back and still lost on stage.
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Hes not biased against Nasser, he's biased against you!
Just biased at him thinking Nasser was something more than what he was ;)
The Shawn Ray fanboys don't like when I tell them the facts either 8)
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More to consider than what you like on Nasser , again recall all rounds are physique rounds and all poses are judged the same way , so while you can look at a pose and say this and this is better on Nasser , you can not forget the rest of the criteria ( which you often overlook once you see what you like better )
Recall posing AND presentation is also being judged ( along with everything else ) as you can plainly see Nasser doesn't correctly do the side chest , or the side triceps in which he stands up to vertically and doesn't bend his leg forward enough ( see above pics ) his front latspread he concentrates on flexing his abs , he wasn't a great poser never was
Shawn like Arnold went to ballet classes to learn how to move he was a very good poser and posed to his physique style , Nasser was like Dorian and had a big physique so obviously he's not pose like Shawn or Flex but he never really learned to pose as effectively as he could , Dorian knew how to pose effectively
Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't believe there's any black and white "correct" way to do certain poses? For example nowdays practically no one does the side-chest in the form they used to do in the 70's, even in the 90's few did.
Also I don't believe there even is a posing round anymore which effects the overall score in pro shows? (a move which makes sensesince why should ones posing preferences dictate a decision of whose physique is better)
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I like Cormier, but Nasser at his best would probably beat Cormier at his best, simply because he was 10 times harder from the front and a bunch bigger. Cormier never came in dry and ripped, although everyone can see he's got the structure to kill Nasser. From the back Cormier wins, but tons of guys beat Nasser from the back and still lost on stage.
Exactly! This is why I keep saying that it's a weak argument to say that 99 Cormier woudl beat any version of Nasser simply because he'd win the back-mandatory poses. Same for 95 AC Francois. Yet ND and some others keep using that flawed argument.
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lol but he takes it out by posting obviously-biased posts against Nasser. Sometimes when i call him out on it he admits he does it to rile us up which again proves my point.
I've been pretty consistent about Nasser and his strengths and weaknesses , he gets credit where it's due and criticism where it's due .
The thing with you guys is you think he's much more than what he was and he's really not , facts & history confirm this and when you guys don't like them you toss them out.
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When I first saw this thread started by Hammer I knew it was an attempt to start a lengthy debate and purposely decided to avoid it, but eventually I give in
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Exactly! This is why I keep saying that it's a weak argument to say that 99 Cormier woudl beat any version of Nasser simply because he'd win the back-mandatory poses. Same for 95 AC Francois. Yet ND and some others keep using that flawed argument.
You keep clinging to this dumb notion. NO let me explain this to you again , Chris would beat Nasser not just because he's better from the back , because he's better almost everywhere this is how it works , how it's always worked.
Sure Nasser would win some poses , Chris would win more , you keep wrongly assuming Chris would only win from the back so he would win. Again not how it works.
Chris has a better structure , better balance & proportion , almost no weaknesses , is a better poser , has less flaws than Nasser , conditioning might he a slight advantage to Nasser FROM THE FRONT because we all know he's soft from the back , again not much of an advantage
When ALL THINGS are considered Chris would beat Nasser for the above reasons
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Just biased at him thinking Nasser was something more than what he was ;)
The Shawn Ray fanboys don't like when I tell them the facts either 8)
Shitting in everyones cornflakes eh? ;D
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Sure Nasser would win some poses , Chris would win more
Chris would win the two back poses; Nasser would win each other mandatory.
And because YOU think of other bodybuilders always winning more of the mandatories against Nasser than in actuality, you simply refuse to answer my question (which I've posted several times, because you know you can't answer it with the same logic as you do your other posts) to pick one of 96, 97 or 98 Mr. Olympia (where Levrone lost to Nasser) and do your own breakdown of mandatories between them to explain how Nasser beat him?
Point of the above exercise is to prove that contest results don't coincide with ND's view of who wins more mandatories between Nasser vs. other bodybuilders. Because ND's inclination is to say something similar that Nasser would beat Levrone only in a few of the front mandatory poses (even in 96 to 98 Olympia) but woudl lose the majority of mandatories.
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Chris would win the two back poses; Nasser would win each other mandatory.
And because YOU think of other bodybuilders always winning more of the mandatories against Nasser than in actuality, you simply refuse to answer my question (which I've posted several times, because you know you can't answer it with the same logic as you do your other posts) to pick one of 96, 97 or 98 Mr. Olympia (where Levrone lost to Nasser) and do your own breakdown of mandatories between them to explain how Nasser beat him?
Point of the above exercise is to prove that contest results don't coincide with ND's view of who wins more mandatories between Nasser vs. other bodybuilders. Because ND's inclination is to say something similar that Nasser would beat Levrone only in a few of the front mandatory poses (even in 96 to 98 Olympia) but woudl lose the majority of mandatories.
Chris would win the two back poses; Nasser would win each other mandatory.
Sure he would ::) I'm sure you believe that too :-\
And because YOU think of other bodybuilders always winning more of the mandatories against Nasser than in actuality, you simply refuse to answer my question (which I've posted several times, because you know you can't answer it with the same logic as you do your other posts) to pick one of 96, 97 or 98 Mr. Olympia (where Levrone lost to Nasser) and do your own breakdown of mandatories between them to explain how Nasser beat him?
The irony of you saying I'm refusing to answer a question ( when in fact I already have ) and you keep ignoring mine. with all things being equal what separates a winner? CONDITIONING
Nasser 96/97/98 compared to Kevin at the Olympia was on ( in condition ) and Kevin was NOT hence why he lost. When Kevin was ON and Nasser was ON 1995 Mr Olympia Kevin beat him because he's a superior bodybuilder.
Point of the above exercise is to prove that contest results don't coincide with ND's view of who wins more mandatories between Nasser vs. other bodybuilders. Because ND's inclination is to say something similar that Nasser would beat Levrone only in a few of the front mandatory poses (even in 96 to 98 Olympia) but woudl lose the majority of mandatories.
CONDITIONING , CONDITIONING , CONDITIONING ! Nasser is on , Kevin was on , Kevin would kick his ass , Kevin was inconsistent you usually got two Kevin's big soft , small hard but when he tied them both together he was easily a class above Nasser he was simply a better bodybuilder , as was Flex , Dorian , Chris , Ronnie there are all in another league just a fact.
Why did Kevin crush Nasser way more than he ever beat him? because Kevin was on and when he was on only a handful of people could beat him and Nasser was not one of them.
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Sure he would ::) I'm sure you believe that too :-\
The irony of you saying I'm refusing to answer a question ( when in fact I already have ) and you keep ignoring mine. with all things being equal what separates a winner? CONDITIONING
Nasser 96/97/98 compared to Kevin at the Olympia was on ( in condition ) and Kevin was NOT hence why he lost. When Kevin was ON and Nasser was ON 1995 Mr Olympia Kevin beat him because he's a superior bodybuilder.
CONDITIONING , CONDITIONING , CONDITIONING ! Nasser is on , Kevin was on , Kevin would kick his ass , Kevin was inconsistent you usually got two Kevin's big soft , small hard but when he tied them both together he was easily a class above Nasser he was simply a better bodybuilder , as was Flex , Dorian , Chris , Ronnie there are all in another league just a fact.
Why did Kevin crush Nasser way more than he ever beat him? because Kevin was on and when he was on only a handful of people could beat him and Nasser was not one of them.
Still avoiding the question and just responding with a mumble jumble of words and capitalizations. . Given Levrone's condition in the 96 to 98 Olympia, can you provide your breakdown of who wins each of the 7 mandatory poses?
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Still avoiding the question and just responding with a mumble jumble of words and capitalizations. . Given Levrone's condition in the 96 to 98 Olympia, can you provide your breakdown of who wins each of the 7 mandatory poses?
You just don't like the answer and if you think you keep asking you'll get what you wanna hear ::)
And FYI bobs there are 8 mandatory poses , it amazes me you question my opinion on bodybuilding when you don't even know how contests are judged ::)
Nasser obviously won more mandatories seeing he placed higher than Kevin at these contests , just because he beat Kevin doesn't mean his flaws aren't still flaws when all things are equal , how did Nasser fair against Dorian at this contest? who won more poses? it's all relative to whom you're competing with
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Nasser has and could beat guys with better backs and he has every part better than Dorian sans back
Riddle me this Bobs , how come Nasser NEVER beat Dorian? according to your logic it should have been a came walk , Nasser beats Dorian everwhere except two back shots yet never came close
please spare me the politics ploy it wont be entertained.
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You just don't like the answer and if you think you keep asking you'll get what you wanna hear ::)
And FYI bobs there are 8 mandatory poses , it amazes me you question my opinion on bodybuilding when you don't even know how contests are judged ::)
Nasser obviously won more mandatories seeing he placed higher than Kevin at these contests , just because he beat Kevin doesn't mean his flaws aren't still flaws when all things are equal , how did Nasser fair against Dorian at this contest? who won more poses? it's all relative to whom you're competing with
lol how can you say I don't like the answer when you still haven't answered it?
Point is that you can't use your standard argument of picking who you think would win each of the mandatories and then arguing that Nasser would lose overall to a prime Cormier or Francois. Because even given Kevin's condition in 96 to 98 we both know you would give Kevin more mandatory poses than Nasser. Right now you dont want to go that route because you know Kevin lost those shows even though your breakdown of mandatories between Kevin vs. Nasser would not change when comparing, say 97 to 95 Olympia (a show Kevin lost vs. a show Kevin won).
No I'm not 100% sure how judging works and neither are you. What I am 100% sure of though is that your argument of why Nasser would lose to Cormier doesn't hold much weight.
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Nasser has and could beat guys with better backs and he has every part better than Dorian sans back
Riddle me this Bobs , how come Nasser NEVER beat Dorian? according to your logic it should have been a came walk , Nasser beats Dorian everwhere except two back shots yet never came close
please spare me the politics ploy it wont be entertained.
well there's no point in me answering then because you included my answer and said you won't entertain it, even for 97. Continue bieng delusional.
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lol how can you say I don't like the answer when you still haven't answered it?
Point is that you can't use your standard argument of picking who you think would win each of the mandatories and then arguing that Nasser would lose overall to a prime Cormier or Francois. Because even given Kevin's condition in 96 to 98 we both know you would give Kevin more mandatory poses than Nasser. Right now you dont want to go that route because you know Kevin lost those shows even though your breakdown of mandatories between Kevin vs. Nasser would not change when comparing, say 97 to 95 Olympia (a show Kevin lost vs. a show Kevin won).
No I'm not 100% sure how judging works and neither are you. What I am 100% sure of though is that your argument of why Nasser would lose to Cormier doesn't hold much weight.
ol how can you say I don't like the answer when you still haven't answered it?
nonsense
Point is that you can't use your standard argument of picking who you think would win each of the mandatories and then arguing that Nasser would lose overall to a prime Cormier or Francois. Because even given Kevin's condition in 96 to 98 we both know you would give Kevin more mandatory poses than Nasser. Right now you dont want to go that route because you know Kevin lost those shows even though your breakdown of mandatories between Kevin vs. Nasser would not change when comparing, say 97 to 95 Olympia (a show Kevin lost vs. a show Kevin won).
My standard argument? that's how contests are judged. You CAN NOT use a sub-par Kevin as a substitute for a career best Mike or Chris you can't dumb logic. Why did Kevin lose to Nasser in any mandatory pose when he was off? CONDITIONING is why , Kevin kicked Nasser's ass easily even when he was slightly off , when he was on he would crush Nasser
No I'm not 100% sure how judging works and neither are you. What I am 100% sure of though is that your argument of why Nasser would lose to Cormier doesn't hold much weight.
100%? a 100%? you can't even get the basics ::) I don't know it all but believe me I know a metic-fuck-ton more than you do. You're also sure of a lot of dumb things your confidence in your ignorance isn't proof of anything.
Chris would beat Nasser because he meets more of the judging criteria than Nasser is more complete. he has better balance & proportion , he's better at posing & presentation , he has enough mass and is has better overall conditioning than Nasser , and that's why he would win.
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When I first saw this thread started by Hammer I knew it was an attempt to start a lengthy debate and purposely decided to avoid it, but eventually I give in
I actually enjoy these threads,but the outcome is always the same............nothing is proven as it is all subjective.
Anyway,carry on!! ;D
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well there's no point in me answering then because you included my answer and said you won't entertain it, even for 97. Continue bieng delusional.
Continue being delusional? irony alert ;)
Excuses wont be entertained , I deal with facts and I have them on my side come back when you have some.
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I actually enjoy these threads,but the outcome is always the same............nothing is proven as it is all subjective.
Anyway,carry on!! ;D
Not really , because that same logic can be applied to any bodybuilding contest they're all 'subjective' but they do pick a winner.
There is criteria it gets applied and there is a clear winner and what we have left is the guys who think they should have won and the cling to their excuses. Nasser was a good bodybuilder but not in the league if a prime Kevin , Chris , Mike , Flex , Dorian or Ronnie.
In the end he's simply not good enough.
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Continue being delusional? irony alert ;)
Excuses wont be entertained , I deal with facts and I have them on my side come back when you have some.
LMAO @ "facts" all you have stated in this thread is your deluded OPINION on who would win in a hypothetical show-down between 99 Olympia Cormier vs. one of Nasser's better forms.
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Not really , because that same logic can be applied to any bodybuilding contest they're all 'subjective' but they do pick a winner.
Good point ND............I stand corrected.
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Not really , because that same logic can be applied to any bodybuilding contest they're all 'subjective' but they do pick a winner.
There is criteria it gets applied and there is a clear winner and what we have left is the guys who think they should have won and the cling to their excuses. Nasser was a good bodybuilder but not in the league if a prime Kevin , Chris , Mike , Flex , Dorian or Ronnie.
In the end he's simply not good enough.
yes there is black and white criteria but human judges are subjective when they apply it. It's pretty black and white when comparing someone like Kovacs to Ronnie Coleman obviously, but when bb'ers are close overall there is lots of subjectivity. Even all judges don't have the same opinion in each show.
And then definitely there is even more subjectivity when thinking of hypothetical scenerios of "who would win between prime Francois or prime Cormier vs. prime Nasser" - especially when the person answering is not a bb judge himself.
Remove subjectiity we can say black and white that Nasser has much more top placings in his record at the big shows than Francois and Cormier.
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LMAO @ "facts" all you have stated in this thread is your deluded OPINION on who would win in a hypothetical show-down between 99 Olympia Cormier vs. one of Nasser's better forms.
Typical Bobs just gloss over everything I typed. facts? contests placings for Nasser , Kevin , Dorian , etc facts on where Nasser placed in the scheme of things compared to these guys , facts as in how contests are judged like there are 8 mandatory poses and not 7 , facts in how Nasser is lacking in posing & presentation , I can continue pointing out facts and NOT clinging to nonfacts like conspiracy theories and emotional pleas to contest rigging due to racism , I deal in facts not excuses , try following the bouncing ball
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Typical Bobs just gloss over everything I typed. facts? contests placings for Nasser , Kevin , Dorian , etc facts on where Nasser placed in the scheme of things compared to these guys , facts as in how contests are judged like there are 8 mandatory poses and not 7 , facts in how Nasser is lacking in posing & presentation , I can continue pointing out facts and NOT clinging to nonfacts like conspiracy theories and emotional pleas to contest rigging due to racism , I deal in facts not excuses , try following the bouncing ball
Yet nothing in the rant you typed above addresses the topic of the thread of Cormier vs. Nasser or the most recent discussion in the thread of comparisons being subjective lol. When you can't win an argument you just starting ranting about other stuff off-topic. Would be a great strategy if it wasn't so obvious. ;)
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yes there is black and white criteria but human judges are subjective when they apply it. It's pretty black and white when comparing someone like Kovacs to Ronnie Coleman obviously, but when bb'ers are close overall there is lots of subjectivity. Even all judges don't have the same opinion in each show.
And then definitely there is even more subjectivity when thinking of hypothetical scenerios of "who would win between prime Francois or prime Cormier vs. prime Nasser" - especially when the person answering is not a bb judge himself.
Remove subjectiity we can say black and white that Nasser has much more top placings in his record at the big shows than Francois and Cormier.
yes there is black and white criteria but human judges are subjective when they apply it. It's pretty black and white when comparing someone like Kovacs to Ronnie Coleman obviously, but when bb'ers are close overall there is lots of subjectivity. Even all judges don't have the same opinion in each show.
Showing your ignorance on how contests are judged again. both the high and low scores are toss out to ensure as fair as possible a result. and judges at the Olympia are handpicked for their consistency and lack of bias. Your problem is you think Nasser is as close to the tier 1 ones as you think he is and he's not his record ( facts ) prove this.
And then definitely there is even more subjectivity when thinking of hypothetical scenerios of "who would win between prime Francois or prime Cormier vs. prime Nasser" - especially when the person answering is not a bb judge himself.
Or the opposition thinks there are 7 mandatory poses and not 8 and admits he will ignore outright anything the judges say when it doesn't fit his point of view. Again out of the two of us , my opinion is more researched , more well thought out , more unbiased , and more knowledgeable. That my friend isn't up for debate.
Remove subjectiity we can say black and white that Nasser has much more top placings in his record at the big shows than Francois and Cormier.
LMFAO which is absolutely NOTHING to do with what the debate was , and ironically you tried to dismiss this angel when it was applicable to the Kevin/Nasser debate but now you're losing and you're looking for anything to claim a victory
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...was this how the 'truce' thread started?
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Yet nothing in the rant you typed above addresses the topic of the thread of Cormier vs. Nasser or the most recent discussion in the thread of comparisons being subjective lol. When you can't win an argument you just starting ranting about other stuff off-topic. Would be a great strategy if it wasn't so obvious. ;)
Now you're being a hypocrite because it was YOU who constantly tried to shift the argument away from Chris and kept trying to bring Kevin into it.
I explained to you ad nausem how and why Chris would beat Nasser and typical Bobs when faced overwhelming evidence you look for a way out. But When you can't win an argument you outright dismiss the whole judging criteria and judges , No one can beat Nasser to you and when they do it was politics , racism , bias , etc you made up your mind already and think that if you keep typing your ignorant biased opinion long enough it will become fact
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Now you're being a hypocrite because it was YOU who constantly tried to shift the argument away from Chris and kept trying to bring Kevin into it.
And each time I linked it back to the original topic of discussion to explain why I was using that example...I didn't think that would be too complicated for you to follow
I explained to you ad nausem how and why Chris would beat Nasser and typical Bobs when faced overwhelming evidence...
LMFAO that you refer to your individual opinion of a hypothetical matchup as "overwhelming evidence" oh brother ::)
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And each time I linked it back to the original topic of discussion to explain why I was using that example...I didn't think that would be too complicated for you to follow
LMFAO that you refer to your individual opinion of a hypothetical matchup as "overwhelming evidence" oh brother ::)
And each time I linked it back to the original topic of discussion to explain why I was using that example...I didn't think that would be too complicated for you to follow
Linked back? LMFAO you tried to use Kevin as a proxy to a win over Chris , you shifted away from Chris I didn't.
LMFAO that you refer to your individual opinion of a hypothetical matchup as "overwhelming evidence" oh brother ::)
Okay where is your evidence to the contrary? where? where is your evidence that Chris isn't more complete ( he has a back Nasser doesn't ) or has better balance & proportion ( Nasser long torso , short legs , etc ) where is your evidence to the contrary that Nasser can pose correctly and effectively? where?
You don't know how contests are judged , you're biased and admit that the judges are flat out wrong when their opinion contradicts your own belief , you've offered up nothing in the least and you don't know what evidence is , again I have and will show you outright how Chris beats Nasser at his best all you can do is deny and offer NO counterpoint , you're not trying then again you would have to know how the game is played and I already proved you don't
Keep pretending Nasser was as good as you think he was , 6 wins in his entire career 8) facts my friend are not on your side.
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Men in thongs is serious business!!!
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Linked back? LMFAO you tried to use Kevin as a proxy to a win over Chris , you shifted away from Chris I didn't.
Wrong again as usual. I clearly demonstrated many times that the purpose of discussing 96-98 Kevin was only to show that using your breakdown-of-mandatory-pose-logic you would also have Kevin ahead of Nasser during those years but of course the contest results had Nasser ahead, same way your breakdown-of-mandatory-pose-logic has Cormier ahead of Nasser doesn't mean an actual contest between the two would agree.
again I have and will show you outright how Chris beats Nasser at his best all you can do is deny and offer NO counterpoint.
You have not shown anything, just one biased opinion. You claim that Chris would win most mandatories, including the side shots even though Sherief showed comparison pics that show otherwise. You haven't shown any comparison pics, just empty words as usual.
Keep pretending Nasser was as good as you think he was , 6 wins in his entire career 8) facts my friend are not on your side.
6 pro wins including the second and third largest titles (NOC and AC) + 30 top 3 finishes out of 32 consecutive shows from 95 Houston to 99 AC with the two exceptions being 4th place is fucking impressive no matter how you try to slice it! Especially during arguable the most competitive era
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backfire ;)
Like I said he can beat guys from the front in some poses , from the side he's not the same force and from the back he sucks
Nasser does NOT know how to pose , his side chest could be better because of the way he does it where he keeps his arm low and doesn't expand his rib-cage and pull back the pecs , his side triceps is the same , he's stands up to straight and doesn't bend his leg enough he looks odd in the shot
Thanks for showing Chris smokes him ;)
Now check out his side chest ( don't concentrate on the year just the way he does the shot ) Vince is smoking him with a textbook side chest shot , I think if Nasser did the pose correctly he would look much better
Same with the side triceps shot look at how he does it , it's as if he's just standing straight , Dorian is killing him in this shot because he's better and he knows how to pose.
what backfire ND?!!.. are you serious?!!.. there are 2 poses from the side , the SC and the ST..
sure you didnt see or you didnt want to see chirs gyno in the SC and sure you didnt notice how bigger, thicker, fuller, more detailed, and, harder nasser's chest, shoulders, and, arms in this pose!!.. and nasser's quad kills chirs's from the side and so is his calve!!.. it was not even close and the exact same can be said about the ST pose.. post any ST pic. of chris you want that beats the ST i posted for nasser..
as i said in the mike vs. nasser thread and as i will say in the nasser vs. dillett thread when hammer starts it chris was great BUT none of his poses is considered one of the best in the history even the 2 poses he was better than nasser in.. on the other hand many of nasser's poses are among the best in the history.. and at his best he beats chris at his best in all poses except the 2 rear..
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Men in thongs is serious business!!!
Especially when its over 10 years old! :D
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Especially when its over 10 years old! :D
Lol both were good, but completely different bbers imo, 90's were some of the best. Sucks neither one is on stage anymore now we got guys like branch and down hill ::)
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Wrong again as usual. I clearly demonstrated many times that the purpose of discussing 96-98 Kevin was only to show that using your breakdown-of-mandatory-pose-logic you would also have Kevin ahead of Nasser during those years but of course the contest results had Nasser ahead, same way your breakdown-of-mandatory-pose-logic has Cormier ahead of Nasser doesn't mean an actual contest between the two would agree.
You have not shown anything, just one biased opinion. You claim that Chris would win most mandatories, including the side shots even though Sherief showed comparison pics that show otherwise. You haven't shown any comparison pics, just empty words as usual.
6 pro wins including the second and third largest titles (NOC and AC) + 30 top 3 finishes out of 32 consecutive shows from 95 Houston to 99 AC with the two exceptions being 4th place is fucking impressive no matter how you try to slice it! Especially during arguable the most competitive era
Wrong again as usual. I clearly demonstrated many times that the purpose of discussing 96-98 Kevin was only to show that using your breakdown-of-mandatory-pose-logic you would also have Kevin ahead of Nasser during those years but of course the contest results had Nasser ahead, same way your breakdown-of-mandatory-pose-logic has Cormier ahead of Nasser doesn't mean an actual contest between the two would agree.
No I wouldn't have Kevin ahead of Nasser those years and why? he was off CONDITIONING get it yet? Kevin has nothing to do with Chris again you brought Kevin into it
You have not shown anything, just one biased opinion. You claim that Chris would win most mandatories, including the side shots even though Sherief showed comparison pics that show otherwise. You haven't shown any comparison pics, just empty words as usual.
Hahahahahaha oh the irony , out of the two of us I'm clearly more unbiased and more knowledgeable , you don't even know how contests are judged , there for YOU can't make an educated informed opinion and then tell the guy who is telling you how contests are judged is wrong LMFAO you would have to know how contests are judged in order to tell me I'm wrong
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Chris is clearly better than Nasser from the side , you see what you want which leads you to believe Nasser deserved three Olympia titles :-X
6 pro wins including the second and third largest titles (NOC and AC) + 30 top 3 finishes out of 32 consecutive shows from 95 Houston to 99 AC with the two exceptions being 4th place is fucking impressive no matter how you try to slice it! Especially during arguable the most competitive era
His record sucks he only managed 6 wins in 53 contests , whoa he was runner-up a lot LMFAO Nasser was a good third tier bodybuilder who could win a show when the second tier guys were off , he was never as great as you pretend he was and facts prove this
lol@ 6 wins in 16 years competing , boy he really set the world on fire ;)
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Another epic backfire ;)
You're posting a pic from a contest Chris was better than Nasser at ;)
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what backfire ND?!!.. are you serious?!!.. there are 2 poses from the side , the SC and the ST..
sure you didnt see or you didnt want to see chirs gyno in the SC and sure you didnt notice how bigger, thicker, fuller, more detailed, and, harder nasser's chest, shoulders, and, arms in this pose!!.. and nasser's quad kills chirs's from the side and so is his calve!!.. it was not even close and the exact same can be said about the ST pose.. post any ST pic. of chris you want that beats the ST i posted for nasser..
as i said in the mike vs. nasser thread and as i will say in the nasser vs. dillett thread when hammer starts it chris was great BUT none of his poses is considered one of the best in the history even the 2 poses he was better than nasser in.. on the other hand many of nasser's poses are among the best in the history.. and at his best he beats chris at his best in all poses except the 2 rear..
what backfire ND?!!.. are you serious?!!.. there are 2 poses from the side , the SC and the ST..
Thanks for helping me proving Chris was better 8)
sure you didnt see or you didnt want to see chirs gyno in the SC and sure you didnt notice how bigger, thicker, fuller, more detailed, and, harder nasser's chest, shoulders, and, arms in this pose!!.. and nasser's quad kills chirs's from the side and so is his calve!!.. it was not even close and the exact same can be said about the ST pose.. post any ST pic. of chris you want that beats the ST i posted for nasser..
You just made the rookie mistake of picking what you like and dismissing the rest :-\ bigger , bigger , bigger , Nasser is bigger than so-and-so :-\ when will you learn? Nasser was bigger than Shawn Ray too but lost to him , Nasser was bigger than 99.9% of the guys he competed with and lost a fuck of a lot more than he won
How about posing & presentation? is Nasser winning that? NO , he doesn't even do the poses correctly , that's a strike , how about balance & proportion? recall they assess all of the criteria in a pose at once not just muscular bulk , you think Nasser is winning , but you come to a lot of crazy conclusions
as i said in the mike vs. nasser thread and as i will say in the nasser vs. dillett thread when hammer starts it chris was great BUT none of his poses is considered one of the best in the history even the 2 poses he was better than nasser in.. on the other hand many of nasser's poses are among the best in the history.. and at his best he beats chris at his best in all poses except the 2 rear..
Hahahahah case closed ::) you're hopeless , Chris side chest kills Nasser textbook side chest , as is his side triceps two poses Nasser can't even hit correctly yet he somehow wins? he's does not look like a 280lb bodybuilder from the sides or the back yet he somehow wins? ::) how about his balance & proportion? opppsss lets forget that one , Chris muders him in this department
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Another epic backfire ;)
You're posting a pic from a contest Chris was better than Nasser at ;)
of course not.. chris in 99 mr. olympia was only better than nasser of the same day but faraway from nasser at his best..these comparisons show them both at their best and it was not even close in the 2 side poses..
so according to you i can compare a pic. of samir bannout from the 83 olympia and a pic. of lee haney at his best in 91 and say samir was better because he was better than "lee" on the day!!!.. ::).. have you noticed how stupid your logic is........ as always :-X :-\
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That looks impressive but given the structure: pecs are squashed, his torso looks longer than ever, delts are full of oil with zero striations, arms overcome everything else.
thats all that matters in bbing...
see our current mr o
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Thanks for helping me proving Chris was better 8)
You just made the rookie mistake of picking what you like and dismissing the rest :-\ bigger , bigger , bigger , Nasser is bigger than so-and-so :-\ when will you learn? Nasser was bigger than Shawn Ray too but lost to him , Nasser was bigger than 99.9% of the guys he competed with and lost a fuck of a lot more than he won
How about posing & presentation? is Nasser winning that? NO , he doesn't even do the poses correctly , that's a strike , how about balance & proportion? recall they assess all of the criteria in a pose at once not just muscular bulk , you think Nasser is winning , but you come to a lot of crazy conclusions
Hahahahah case closed ::) you're hopeless , Chris side chest kills Nasser textbook side chest , as is his side triceps two poses Nasser can't even hit correctly yet he somehow wins? he's does not look like a 280lb bodybuilder from the sides or the back yet he somehow wins? ::) how about his balance & proportion? opppsss lets forget that one , Chris muders him in this department
lol at the parrot talking about balance and proportion (which nasser had in a great way).. but when i ask him where were dorian's balance and proportion and symmetry in 97 he swallows my question deep in his ass without answering :-X...
ND forget about nasser (i am sure you cant),.. was dorian more balanced and proportioned and symmetrical than shawn ray in 1997??.. :-X.. shawn had them all and dorian didn't have any,.. no proportion/balance/symmetry between his right side and his left and between his different parts!!.. his back overpowered the rest of his upper physique in a bad way and his calves overpowered his upper legs clearly!!.. why wasnt he marked down for this during his posing routine and the final pose down?!!.. he won with perfect scores right?!.. ::)
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lol at the parrot talking about balance and proportion (which nasser had in a great way).. but when i ask him where were dorian's balance and proportion and symmetry in 97 he swallows my question deep in his ass without answering :-X...
ND forget about nasser (i am sure you cant),.. was dorian more balanced and proportioned and symmetrical than shawn ray in 1997??.. :-X.. shawn had them all and dorian didn't have any,.. no proportion/balance/symmetry between his right side and his left and between his different parts!!.. his back overpowered the rest of his upper physique in a bad way and his calves overpowered his upper legs clearly!!.. why wasnt he marked down for this during his posing routine and the final pose down?!!.. he won with perfect scores right?!.. ::)
ND doesn't form his own opinions. Because he's stated many times that judging is perfect and there are no biases, he must "back into" the decisions of the judges at each show, that's why he'll blindly argue that Dorian 97 deserved to beat the rest of the competition.
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of course not.. chris in 99 mr. olympia was only better than nasser of the same day but faraway from nasser at his best..these comparisons show them both at their best and it was not even close in the 2 side poses..
so according to you i can compare a pic. of samir bannout from the 83 olympia and a pic. of lee haney at his best in 91 and say samir was better because he was better than "lee" on the day!!!.. ::).. have you noticed how stupid your logic is........ as always :-X :-\
What does the caption in your pic say? ND says your better than me and you posted a pic from 1999 a contest where he was better than Nasser , that picture proved my point you dolt !!
Stop trying to escape your stupidity.
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Would Chris' best beat Nasser at his best?
Chris had a better back by far, but Nasser was fucking huge.
'99 Cormier versus peak Nasser (whatever year and contest that might be ... '95 Houston? '96 Olympia?) -- all of the bullshitting aside, I honestly don't know. I tend to favor Chris because he doesn't piss away the two back poses and he holds his own in the other compulsories. He's one of the few 90's guys who does a side-chest like the old-timers. Nasser is fucking insane in the front-double biceps, but then, so is Chris, who pulls a vacuum in that pose. Nasser is undoubtedly bigger at his best. But the fact remains, Chris IS more complete at HIS best, and he's no little fuck circa his 1999 Olympia shape.
I honestly do not know who is best overall. Nasser had the WOW factor all over Chris, but as I said, Nasser wasn't near as complete as Chris. Moreover, Chris "hello, who dis?" Cormier SHOULD have won the '04 Arnold by a mile.
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lol at the parrot talking about balance and proportion (which nasser had in a great way).. but when i ask him where were dorian's balance and proportion and symmetry in 97 he swallows my question deep in his ass without answering :-X...
ND forget about nasser (i am sure you cant),.. was dorian more balanced and proportioned and symmetrical than shawn ray in 1997??.. :-X.. shawn had them all and dorian didn't have any,.. no proportion/balance/symmetry between his right side and his left and between his different parts!!.. his back overpowered the rest of his upper physique in a bad way and his calves overpowered his upper legs clearly!!.. why wasnt he marked down for this during his posing routine and the final pose down?!!.. he won with perfect scores right?!.. ::)
lol at the parrot talking about balance and proportion (which nasser had in a great way).. but when i ask him where were dorian's balance and proportion and symmetry in 97 he swallows my question deep in his ass without answering :-X...
Yes he was so great , everything was great on Nasser which is why he rarely won. ::) I answer every single question Team Moron can manage. I've explained to you more to symmetry & balance and proportion than you know , especially considering you think Nasser had in a great way ::)
Again pay attention and learn from your teacher , just because Dorian had a torn triceps & biceps you think that negates his other strengths? also in balance & proportion is muscle lengths in relation to each other , Nasser has short legs AND a long torso and highish lats ( relative to whom he was competing with ) how about Nasser's forearms that lag behind his biceps/triceps? opppssss how about the fact he had a middleweights back and appeared lighter from the back?
Again you're making the rooking mistake of omitting the rest of the criteria which is all assessed at the same time , Nasser had an advantage in ' symmetry ' in 97 , did he has an advantage in symmetry AND balance AND proportion AND density AND dryness AND muscular bulk AND posing AND presentation ? keep cherry picking all the little things you think Nasser wins while ignoring the rest of the criteria. No wonder you think Nasser won , you don't have a clue on how contests are judged
Nasser could beat Dorian in a few poses and Dorian could still win with a perfect score , go learn how contests are judged.
ND forget about nasser (i am sure you cant),.. was dorian more balanced and proportioned and symmetrical than shawn ray in 1997??.. :-X.. shawn had them all and dorian didn't have any,.. no proportion/balance/symmetry between his right side and his left and between his different parts!!.. his back overpowered the rest of his upper physique in a bad way and his calves overpowered his upper legs clearly!!.. why wasnt he marked down for this during his posing routine and the final pose down?!!.. he won with perfect scores right?!.. ::)
See above , stop micromanaging the contest into itty bitty pieces. You DO NOT know if Dorian wasn't marked down for anything you assumed he wasn't , Dorian could lose multiple poses and still win with a perfect score , want me to explain this to you yet again?
Pay attention and learn kid , after the judging both the high & low scores are tossed out which means Dorian could lose multiple poses and still win with a perfect score , the high & low scores are tossed out to protect everyone from blatant bias and favoritism , I'm sure Dorian did lose poses to Nasser especially from the front in 1997 but when ALL things are considered he beat him pretty soundly
Remember kid ALL ROUNDS ARE PHYSIQUE ROUNDS
class dismissed ;)
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ND doesn't form his own opinions. Because he's stated many times that judging is perfect and there are no biases, he must "back into" the decisions of the judges at each show, that's why he'll blindly argue that Dorian 97 deserved to beat the rest of the competition.
I form my own opinions and they are based on knowledge and facts , not excuses and ignorance. You can say with ' confidence ' Nasser won in 97 because you don't have a clue on how contests are judged. You are as biased and ignorant as they come added with a sprinkle of delusion
Again if the judges are flawed as is the judging , then Nasser never won a show either , he was gifted as the next guy , but guys like you will claim foolishly that somehow they judges got it right when he won lol
I was like you ignorant , I was bitching & moaning because I thought Flex won in 1993 , I cried about politics , Flex didn't pay his dues yet , he was robbed , and then I learned how contests were judged and then I could see how wrong I was and how far ahead Dorian was and how it wasn't even close.
I let go of bias and ignorance you should try it.
Team Hypocrite going strong for 2012
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Team Nasser vs ND Part MCMXCVIII
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Nasser sucks dick, i dont know why all the love of him. he told me last time we had our date night that was full of oil, chris wins EVERY POSE.
why the sudden change of heart bigbob ;D
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seems that some ppl forgot or "dont want to remember" how nasser looked at his best!!.. honestly it's not anything close between him and chris,.. both at their very best!!..
great and truthful post right here
Team Nasser 2012
bigger, better, stronger than ever!
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Nasser has and could beat guys with better backs and he has every part better than Dorian sans back
Riddle me this Bobs , how come Nasser NEVER beat Dorian? according to your logic it should have been a came walk , Nasser beats Dorian everwhere except two back shots yet never came close
please spare me the politics ploy it wont be entertained.
Nasser beat dorian 95-97 in all but one pose the RDB
unfortunately the corrupt judges did not award the rightful winner in those olympias
how can OAB Yates win with no upper arm, a blocky distended gut and obliques ?
answer- a GIFT from his friends Manion and weinberger.
that i s the turth-
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Nasser beat dorian 95-97 in all but one pose the RDB
unfortunately the corrupt judges did not award the rightful winner in those olympias
how can OAB Yates win with no upper arm, a blocky distended gut and obliques ?
answer- a GIFT from his friends Manion and weinberger.
that i s the turth-
Oh stop it ;D you don't believe a word of this
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Showing your ignorance on how contests are judged again. both the high and low scores are toss out to ensure as fair as possible a result. and judges at the Olympia are handpicked for their consistency and lack of bias. Your problem is you think Nasser is as close to the tier 1 ones as you think he is and he's not his record ( facts ) prove this.
ND, you really know nothing about the what goes on in IFBB judging
you take as gospel what is printed in Flex mag
you are ignorant and brainwashed
if you have been involved in BB @ this level as others have been you wouldnt be the blind sheep you are
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What does the caption in your pic say? ND says your better than me and you posted a pic from 1999 a contest where he was better than Nasser , that picture proved my point you dolt !!
Stop trying to escape your stupidity.
ND this was a JJJOOOKKKEEE :-\ :-\ :-\
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cc does look great in the pics
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ND, you really know nothing about the what goes on in IFBB judgingyou take as gospel what is printed in Flex mag
you are ignorant and brainwashed
if you have been involved in BB @ this level as others have been you wouldnt be the blind sheep you are
x2! He thinks judging is perfect / fair and anyone who knows it's not apparently "does not know how contests are judged." Even Flex Wheeler (someone who ND respects) said Nasser should have won the 97 Olympia, both to Nasser backstage on the day of and not even a few years ago on his own forum page. I guess a top Olympian like Flex does not know how contests are judged but ND does lol.
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x2! He thinks judging is perfect / fair and anyone who knows it's not apparently "does not know how contests are judged." Even Flex Wheeler (someone who ND respects) said Nasser should have won the 97 Olympia, both to Nasser backstage on the day of and not even a few years ago on his own forum page. I guess a top Olympian like Flex does not know how contests are judged but ND does lol.
X3 + he is a clear arab/muslim hater + a big dorian dik sucker..
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X3 + he is a clear arab/muslim hater + a big dorian dik sucker..
Why do you bring race/religion into the argument?
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Why do you bring race/religion into the argument?
Because you can't compete on any other level , it's the last ditch effort of the intellectually bankrupt.
It's all they have because facts and history aren't on their side.
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x2! He thinks judging is perfect / fair and anyone who knows it's not apparently "does not know how contests are judged." Even Flex Wheeler (someone who ND respects) said Nasser should have won the 97 Olympia, both to Nasser backstage on the day of and not even a few years ago on his own forum page. I guess a top Olympian like Flex does not know how contests are judged but ND does lol.
Again the judging is only perfect when YOU agree with it hypocrite. ::) When Nasser managed to win ( which was rare ) then the judges somehow managed to get it right.
And Flex Wheeler? you wanna use him as a reference? he said multiple times Nasser was ' overrated ' I'm sure you value Flex's opinion there ;) And yes a top Olympia like Flex DOES NOT know how contests are judged , want proof? He said after the prejudging in the 2007 Mr Olympia Ronnie Coleman was in first place , I said no way Ronnie was even in third 8)
Flex also said he won the 1999 Mr Olympia looks like he was wrong there too ;) and Flex told Nasser he should have won in 97, I don't even believe that story and I don't ever recall him saying this here , and you're not above making things up. Most pros don't know how contests are judged. Want more proof? years ago Chris Cormier lost the Arnold to Jay and he was in Flex bitching about how could he lose the ' symmetry round ' to Jay lmfao he obviously doesn't know all rounds are physique rounds
I respect Flex's physique , as a person he's an idiot like Nasser for injecting himself full of oil. And know how I can say someone like you don't know how contests are judged? when you type there are only 7 mandatory poses and not 8 ;) when you're asking how he could win with a perfect score despite Nasser beating him in some poses ;) I can continue to point out how little you know but you've taken enough of a beating.
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chris cormier had what it took to be mr.olympia but the man liked to get high! and he couldnt compete against ronnie and beat him even if he was clean. he had the best chance though. his physique flows well.
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Again the judging is only perfect when YOU agree with it hypocrite. ::) When Nasser managed to win ( which was rare ) then the judges somehow managed to get it right.
And Flex Wheeler? you wanna use him as a reference? he said multiple times Nasser was ' overrated ' I'm sure you value Flex's opinion there ;) And yes a top Olympia like Flex DOES NOT know how contests are judged , want proof? He said after the prejudging in the 2007 Mr Olympia Ronnie Coleman was in first place , I said no way Ronnie was even in third 8)
Flex also said he won the 1999 Mr Olympia looks like he was wrong there too ;) and Flex told Nasser he should have won in 97, I don't even believe that story and I don't ever recall him saying this here , and you're not above making things up. Most pros don't know how contests are judged. Want more proof? years ago Chris Cormier lost the Arnold to Jay and he was in Flex bitching about how could he lose the ' symmetry round ' to Jay lmfao he obviously doesn't know all rounds are physique rounds
I respect Flex's physique , as a person he's an idiot like Nasser for injecting himself full of oil. And know how I can say someone like you don't know how contests are judged? when you type there are only 7 mandatory poses and not 8 ;) when you're asking how he could win with a perfect score despite Nasser beating him in some poses ;) I can continue to point out how little you know but you've taken enough of a beating.
Oh brother, so pros who have competed tens of times over a decade or more don't know how contests are judged yet anonymous internet expert ND knows better! Just when you think you've heard it all.
Re: Flex's recent posting I did not say it was here on getbig, but was on his page which is on one of the other forums and someone copied the link here a few years ago. I could spend the time looking for it but you're too stubborn in thinking your opinion is aboe all even competitors with much more expereince in the industry so I don't see any benefit of doing so.
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Oh brother, so pros who have competed tens of times over a decade or more don't know how contests are judged yet anonymous internet expert ND knows better! Just when you think you've heard it all.
Re: Flex's recent posting I did not say it was here on getbig, but was on his page which is on one of the other forums and someone copied the link here a few years ago. I could spend the time looking for it but you're too stubborn in thinking your opinion is aboe all even competitors with much more expereince in the industry so I don't see any benefit of doing so.
Oh brother, so pros who have competed tens of times over a decade or more don't know how contests are judged yet anonymous internet expert ND knows better! Just when you think you've heard it all.
Your response doesn't touch one thing I typed why? because you have nothing. Flex had Ronnie in 1st place after prejudging in the 2007 Mr Olympia when me and a fuck load of people on this board knew he was lucky if he was in 3rd and he placed 4th !! that proves Flex doesn't know what he's talking about , more proof? He thought he won in 1999 and Ronnie dominated him straight firsts to straight seconds.
As usual ignore the facts because you can't counter them.
Re: Flex's recent posting I did not say it was here on getbig, but was on his page which is on one of the other forums and someone copied the link here a few years ago. I could spend the time looking for it but you're too stubborn in thinking your opinion is aboe all even competitors with much more expereince in the industry so I don't see any benefit of doing so.
See above , even if Flex did say it doesn't mean much , and I'm sure you agree with his opinion that Nasser was ' overrated ' or are you to stubborn in thinking your opinion is above even competitors? ;) Or how about Dorian's opinion when he mirrored what I said? when he said Nasser beat him in some poses and lost in most others? he does have much more experience in the industry than you ;)
Common myth is just because a guys a professional means , he knows how contests are judged or they are experts on training etc , etc , most pros are clueless and even more fans like yourself are hopeless. Chris Cormier was asking in Flex magazine how he could lost the symmetry round to Jay Cutler , more proof the average pro doesn't know how contests are judged.
I'm providing proof where is yours?
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chris cormier had what it took to be mr.olympia but the man liked to get high! and he couldnt compete against ronnie and beat him even if he was clean. he had the best chance though. his physique flows well.
that it does, Chris was the most pleasing bber of the 90's who actually had a unique flow to his build.