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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: DK II on March 17, 2012, 07:34:05 PM
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Training styles.... ::) ::) ::)
HIT is better than volume
Volume is better than HIT
FST-7
HST
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"Doggcrapp"
Oh boy. Just go to the gym and lift weights, you get muscle because you train hard and inject steroids, not because you train in a certain way.
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amen
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What you say stands correct for drug users. It does not for naturals. There is an optimum way to train, naturals cannot handle a mere fraction of the volume or frequency drug users can.
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What you say stands correct for drug users. It does not for naturals. There is an optimum way to train, naturals cannot handle a mere fraction of the volume or frequency drug users can.
Good point.
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What you say stands correct for drug users. It does not for naturals. There is an optimum way to train, naturals cannot handle a mere fraction of the volume or frequency drug users can.
figuring out how to train for a natural is like stem cell research
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What you say stands correct for drug users. It does not for naturals. There is an optimum way to train, naturals cannot handle a mere fraction of the volume or frequency drug users can.
volume,frequency and natural/clean training is relative to individual .some people could handle more or less and that includes someone on drugs as well.7 days a wk is of course insane clean or drugged,,4 days per wk is good start for clean trainer.
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figuring out how to train for a natural is like stem cell research
Not if one takes the time to understand the variables involved and gauge how their own body responds to manipulating them.
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volume,frequency and natural/clean training is relative to individual .some people could handle more or less and that includes someone on drugs as well.7 days a wk is of course insane clean or drugged,,4 days per wk is good start for clean trainer.
See my last post.
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See my last post.
:)
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Not if one takes the time to understand the variables involved and gauge how their own body responds to manipulating them.
which is like 349 of them if not more
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which is like 349 of them if not more
Frequency("rest" by default falls into this category), Volume and Intensity, Nutrition ???
These are the variables that you CAN control, I won't bother mentioning "genetics" etc
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I thought
this was another
gh15 thread
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Frequency("rest" by default falls into this category), Volume and Intensity, Nutrition ???
These are the variables that you CAN control, I won't bother mentioning "genetics" etc
so how possible is it that typical 5x5 routines are all wrong
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so how possible is it that typical 5x5 routines are all wrong
There is no blanket routine that will work for everybody, however, that does not change the type of stimulus required, it just means it needs to be tailored to fit the individual so the "response", in this case an increase in muscular mass or strength can be seen.
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sets and reps < dose and duration
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the biggest scam is doggycrap training and HIT. LOL at overtraining,,,,fucking pussy ass bitches. and the other biggest scam, you need to do deadlifts and squats to get big....big what? big bellied bloated powerlifter who lifts 1000'lbs and you leave the gm and look like any other fatass? LMAO at guys doing deads and squats,,they are always the most bloofed up watery pregnant from teh side dudes- oh so hardcore, not a vein on their body, but 4 fucked up disks in the spine to show for all that hardcore shit
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What you say stands correct for drug users. It does not for naturals. There is an optimum way to train, naturals cannot handle a mere fraction of the volume or frequency drug users can.
it doesnt matter that much for natural bodybuilders because your stuck after a couple yr anyways. Plus there is plenty of evidence suggest naturals can actually take more training the enhanced athletes.
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Training styles.... ::) ::) ::)
HIT is better than volume
Volume is better than HIT
FST-7
HST
FCK-0-FF 467
"Doggcrapp"
Oh boy. Just go to the gym and lift weights, you get muscle because you train hard and inject steroids, not because you train in a certain way.
;D
totally agree here... as long as you break a sweat and feel tired after your workout, it doesn't matter what kind of bullshit training protocol you used.
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the biggest scam is doggycrap training and HIT. LOL at overtraining,,,,fucking pussy ass bitches. and the other biggest scam, you need to do deadlifts and squats to get big....big what? big bellied bloated powerlifter who lifts 1000'lbs and you leave the gm and look like any other fatass? LMAO at guys doing deads and squats,,they are always the most bloofed up watery pregnant from teh side dudes- oh so hardcore, not a vein on their body, but 4 fucked up disks in the spine to show for all that hardcore shit
Can you show us how massive your legs are from not doing squats?
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Training styles.... ::) ::) ::)
HIT is better than volume
Volume is better than HIT
FST-7
HST
FCK-0-FF 467
"Doggcrapp"
Oh boy. Just go to the gym and lift weights, you get muscle because you train hard and inject steroids, not because you train in a certain way.
No one wants to say or either don't know that you have to train harder on gear that you think. That said, of you don't have a plan for progression you fail. People hate to work and just try to simplify it. It's easy because they make it easy. The fact is it should be hard.
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Can you show us how massive your legs are from not doing squats?
i can show you most of the guys in the gym who do heavy squats and have sticks for legs
and i know a few people who say it's the most rediculous exercise and they only focus on leg extensions and leg press and have massive quads
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volume,frequency and natural/clean training is relative to individual .some people could handle more or less and that includes someone on drugs as well.7 days a wk is of course insane clean or drugged,,4 days per wk is good start for clean trainer.
4 days a week for a clean trainer.. Well if you are trying to actaully grow you muscles try 2 or 3 if you actually want to grow and achieve anything. Complete recovery rate is around 3-9 days for someone who is not hormonised dependant of factors such as age, health and genetics. Most people don't have a clue what is involved to stimulate growth naturally. It is putting the body under high stress so it will adapt, regardless how you do it (weight or volume), most people who train natural do not have a clue how to train to achieve this and achieve next to nothing. Go look in the gym, they are everywhere, they never change. 4 days a week + is fitness and not growing muscle, even still the muscle growt will be limited to very limited for most people and very very time consuming.
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No one wants to say or either don't know that you have to train harder on gear that you think. That said, of you don't have a plan for progression you fail. People hate to work and just try to simplify it. It's easy because they make it easy. The fact is it should be hard.
This.. Although roids will promote growth without training too hard.
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This.. Although roids will promote growth without training too hard.
That's the biggest joke of all, that most BB train like little pussies and rely solely on drugs.
Most "Fitness Models" train harder than Pros.
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totally agree here... as long as you break a sweat and feel tired after your workout, it doesn't matter what kind of bullshit training protocol you used.
Completely false statement.
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Completely false statement.
Hahahaha, fuck off, geezer.
You're the prime example for this statement, the only time you looked good in your life was when you were on steroids.
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Completely false statement.
my statement is tried and true... on myself and "clients" if that's what they call them these days.
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my statement is tried and true... on myself and "clients" if that's what they call them these days.
Basile is just jealous that you have blue stars and he doesn't.
Also he would have to admit his life is a complete failure if he had to admit my statement is true.
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1. drugs (quality + quantity)
2. food (enough, organic)
3. train (moderate and just enough, stimulate and leave alone)
4. stretching (enough to keep nimble)
this is what I do. You'll se what it does to you after 3 months.
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1. drugs (quality + quantity)
2. food (enough, organic)
3. train (moderate and just enough, stimulate and leave alone)
4. stretching (enough to keep nimble)
this is what I do. You'll se what it does to you after 3 months.
Are you saying that people hiring a "Personal Trainer" or paying membership for some obscure training advice from a "guru" on the internet are retards?
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Training styles.... ::) ::) ::)
HIT is better than volume
Volume is better than HIT
FST-7
HST
FCK-0-FF 467
"Doggcrapp"
Oh boy. Just go to the gym and lift weights, you get muscle because you train hard and inject steroids, not because you train in a certain way.
WORDS OF WISDOM...I couldn't have said it better DK, right on! If these dummies read in a mag that these bodybuilders got this huge by eating dog crap they would do it. Just lift and inject...magical!
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1. drugs (quality + quantity)
2. food (enough, organic)
3. train (moderate and just enough, stimulate and leave alone)
4. stretching (enough to keep nimble)
this is what I do. You'll se what it does to you after 3 months.
Yes, because we all want your huge massive ripped physique. ::)
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the biggest scam is doggycrap training and HIT. LOL at overtraining,,,,fucking pussy ass bitches. and the other biggest scam, you need to do deadlifts and squats to get big....big what? big bellied bloated powerlifter who lifts 1000'lbs and you leave the gm and look like any other fatass? LMAO at guys doing deads and squats,,they are always the most bloofed up watery pregnant from teh side dudes- oh so hardcore, not a vein on their body, but 4 fucked up disks in the spine to show for all that hardcore shit
i'm natural, i do squat and dl, i'm lean, and my body is bigger, more complete, lot of thickness.
i'm bigger than roid-ed machine expert.
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i'm natural, i do squat and dl, i'm lean, and my body is bigger, more complete, lot of thickness.
i'm bigger than roid-ed machine expert.
LOL, go trolling somewhere else.
Squats and DL aren't bad exercises, it's just that there is NO WAY you have to do them to get big.
But any shitty, half-assed training steroid user looks way better than a natural, if he has legit gear that is.
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i'm natural, i do squat and dl, i'm lean, and my body is bigger, more complete, lot of thickness.
i'm bigger than roid-ed machine expert.
PTPS
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People seem to forget that bodybuilding is a marathon, not a sprint.
Take drugs and train consistently ON drugs for 2-3 years, and you will see were you go.
Anything aimed at 12 weeks, 8 weeks, 20 weeks is just one piece of the puzzle. The overall picture is what counts, in this case it doesn't matter what puzzle pieces you use.
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There is no blanket routine that will work for everybody, however, that does not change the type of stimulus required, it just means it needs to be tailored to fit the individual so the "response", in this case an increase in muscular mass or strength can be seen.
Agreed
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Yes, because we all want your huge massive ripped physique. ::)
When you'll see my pics you'll fell very humbled my friend. Peace to you.
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LOL, go trolling somewhere else.
Squats and DL aren't bad exercises, it's just that there is NO WAY you have to do them to get big.
But any shitty, half-assed training steroid user looks way better than a natural, if he has legit gear that is.
Sad, but your last statement unfortunately is true...and it can't be argued with. Doesn't take a message board 'expert' with 'elves' to tell you that. That knowledge has been available for a long time.
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LOL, go trolling somewhere else.
Squats and DL aren't bad exercises, it's just that there is NO WAY you have to do them to get big.
But any shitty, half-assed training steroid user looks way better than a natural, if he has legit gear that is.
Errr no. Size doesn't overcome structure and shape sorry.
Also the way you train is hugely important to a natural.
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Errr no. Size doesn't overcome structure and shape sorry.
Also the way you train is hugely important to a natural.
good points bro,,,
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It also applies to the drugs. Take drugs you have to train twice as hard. I see guys cranking and thinking they dont have to work out as hard and because of this they still look like crap and are weak. I call these people COSMETIC BODYBUILDERS.
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Fuck naturals, unless you are truly against drugs and just want to see how far you can take your body naturally. Sadly, that only equates to about 10% of truly natural lifters. The other 90% are just naieve and spend hundreds of dollars thinking they're going to get big by using test boosters, creatine, etc. The majority of "natural" lifters or competitors that are around, like layne Norton, are NOT natural. I don't give a shit what they tell you, or that they pass a lie detector test every time. Those can be passed by anyone, it's easy. A urinalysis is the same thing, short esters, they're in and out quick and you pass as a natural. There's no such thing as natural bodybuilding, so why even bother talking about which routines work best for natural lifters?
In regards to DC training, it does actually work very well, but it is also very detrimental to your joints. Your strength goes up too fucking fast. It wrecked my knees. For me, drop sets work best. I agree with most others posting though, it doesn't matter what program or principle you use. Just go in, tear the shit out of your muscles, lift with GOOD FORM, and leave. You'll get results. I've used 5x5, DC training, drop sets, etc, they all work.
As for cleanest natural, this post saying that being on 2g of AAS makes you feel mildly high, attractive, etc, and now in this thread you say to stretch, eat organic foods, etc. You say come back in 3 months and see what happens? Pppplllleeeeaassssee, you posted multiple pics on here and you're far from massive OR stage ready, so where do you get off reommending people do what you do? Not everyone aspires to look like a runner with 18" quads. I commend you for being on 2g of gear, but for christ sake, train your fucking legs, stay on the 2g or go up to 3, give yourself a year, THEN come back here and we will see what you look like. Normally I wouldn't say a word, I don't care for internet drama, but I DO hate guys who have big egos. I understand that you're using 100mg/day of dbol, 700 test, and 700 tren, but that doesn't make you a beast, not YET. Please, keep it up though, just chill with the whole thinking you're so great posts. It's fucking annoying.
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Training styles.... ::) ::) ::)
HIT is better than volume
Volume is better than HIT
FST-7
HST
FCK-0-FF 467
"Doggcrapp"
Oh boy. Just go to the gym and lift weights, you get muscle because you train hard and inject steroids, not because you train in a certain way.
Couldn't agree more!
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Fuck naturals, unless you are truly against drugs and just want to see how far you can take your body naturally. Sadly, that only equates to about 10% of truly natural lifters. The other 90% are just naieve and spend hundreds of dollars thinking they're going to get big by using test boosters, creatine, etc. The majority of "natural" lifters or competitors that are around, like layne Norton, are NOT natural. I don't give a shit what they tell you, or that they pass a lie detector test every time. Those can be passed by anyone, it's easy. A urinalysis is the same thing, short esters, they're in and out quick and you pass as a natural. There's no such thing as natural bodybuilding, so why even bother talking about which routines work best for natural lifters?
In regards to DC training, it does actually work very well, but it is also very detrimental to your joints. Your strength goes up too fucking fast. It wrecked my knees. For me, drop sets work best. I agree with most others posting though, it doesn't matter what program or principle you use. Just go in, tear the shit out of your muscles, lift with GOOD FORM, and leave. You'll get results. I've used 5x5, DC training, drop sets, etc, they all work.
As for cleanest natural, this post saying that being on 2g of AAS makes you feel mildly high, attractive, etc, and now in this thread you say to stretch, eat organic foods, etc. You say come back in 3 months and see what happens? Pppplllleeeeaassssee, you posted multiple pics on here and you're far from massive OR stage ready, so where do you get off reommending people do what you do? Not everyone aspires to look like a runner with 18" quads. I commend you for being on 2g of gear, but for christ sake, train your fucking legs, stay on the 2g or go up to 3, give yourself a year, THEN come back here and we will see what you look like. Normally I wouldn't say a word, I don't care for internet drama, but I DO hate guys who have big egos. I understand that you're using 100mg/day of dbol, 700 test, and 700 tren, but that doesn't make you a beast, not YET. Please, keep it up though, just chill with the whole thinking you're so great posts. It's fucking annoying.
Ok, since i'm first to see this.
Meltdown....
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When you'll see my pics you'll fell very humbled my friend. Peace to you.
I can't hardly wait! ;D ::)
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IMO....
Intense training is key... go heavy, or light, whatever, just go balls to the wall.... I'm never been a follower of any of the HIT, or SSSHT... or whatever, I just go in and train!
Then a good bodybuilding diet.... I had always trained hard, but when I started eating like a bodybuilder, thats when I saw big changes!
Supplements are just that... SUPPLEMENTS... they don't mean shit if you're not eating or training right!
I can't really comment on drugs, because I don't have any experience with them except for some pro-hormone/pro-steroid use a while back!
But... at the end of the day, just go in and lift weights hard!
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IMO....
Intense training is key... go heavy, or light, whatever, just go balls to the wall.... I'm never been a follower of any of the HIT, or SSSHT... or whatever, I just go in and train!
Then a good bodybuilding diet.... I had always trained hard, but when I started eating like a bodybuilder, thats when I saw big changes!
Supplements are just that... SUPPLEMENTS... they don't mean shit if you're not eating or training right!
I can't really comment on drugs, because I don't have any experience with them except for some pro-hormone/pro-steroid use a while back!
But... at the end of the day, just go in and lift weights hard!
You're a delusional fucker, how many times does someone have to tell you that you used the single most powerful ORAL STEROID in the world you retard, not some "Pro-hormone".
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Ok, since i'm first to see this.
Meltdown....
Nah bro, no meltdown. I didn't even use one single exclamation point lol. I just gave my thoughts on the subjects at hand, and the fact that cleanest natural thinks he's huge just because he's on 2g of gear lol.
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looking back at all my training I'm fairly convinced when i made the most progress I trained a few sets heavy/hard on the compund lifts never to faliure but close then just basically talked and loly gagged through the remaining of the workout in about an hour not really low volume but close.
Such as maybe go to the gym
warm up about 3 -4 set
bench 315 x 8
bench 275 12 -14
chins
rows working up to 300 or so
dips/close grips
then odd ball movements such triceps and delts
then do many other movements hard but some what half as
I think I made gained the most combining many bodyparts at one workout such as upper lower/split
chest,back,tris,delts and bis,legs I hate dc but like his split. I even did real well on fullbody if not trying to get on stage and be upper body big its a good way to train.
hard training just never seemed to work well for me
but benching heavy and doing chins and heavy rows in the same day is a very hard way to train. People say not to talk and stuff train I find if I move fast a deliberate it just don't work as well. I have never ran high doses like a pro dose to really no what would happen but decent. I'm not fond of a lot of steroids for various reasons
tren=crazy
eq=not so good if not combined with other compunds
deca= to similar to test
orals=drink to much
I could afford gh if i wanted it just never gave in came close and may have to as im reaching mid 30's
so that kinda limits me I live with people now or i would run tren if I still lived alone I could care less if I'm crazy by myself lol
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Nah bro, no meltdown. I didn't even use one single exclamation point lol. I just gave my thoughts on the subjects at hand, and the fact that cleanest natural thinks he's huge just because he's on 2g of gear lol.
Sev/(cleanest natural) is a troll of the top tier bro.
He hasn't been in a gym for a decade and looks like shit on or off gear.
I agree with your other points for the most part.
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Basile is just jealous that you have blue stars and he doesn't.
Also he would have to admit his life is a complete failure if he had to admit my statement is true.
Two false statements. Muscleheads are like sheep and believe what others believe. What a sad lot.
Getbiggers think they know it all but they simply replace one set of nonsense with another.
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You're a delusional fucker, how many times does someone have to tell you that you used the single most powerful ORAL STEROID in the world you retard, not some "Pro-hormone".
Yes I never denied that I used M1T in 2005, bought over the counter from Vitamin Shoppe, does that make me some kind of steroid guru? Does that mean its still flowing in my veins this second? Get off your high horse, my best bodybuilding showing in my avatar was long before I touched that stuff you douche bag!
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Yes I never denied that I used M1T in 2005, bought over the counter from Vitamin Shoppe, does that make me some kind of steroid guru? Does that mean its still flowing in my veins this second? Get off your high horse, my best bodybuilding showing in my avatar was long before I touched that stuff you douche bag!
You call yourself a bodybuilder but you are a fat and look like shit ::)
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You call yourself a bodybuilder but you are a fat and look like shit ::)
I look better than you schmoe lover!
Just ask your mom!
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I look better than you schmoe lover!
Just ask your mom!
What bbing judging credentials does his mom have?
Does she compete?
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I look better than you schmoe lover!
Just ask your mom!
LOL sorry to say it, but SB smokes your fat ass. He looks 100000x better on his worst day than you on your best.
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I look better than you schmoe lover!
Just ask your mom!
LOL you wish
chubby spastic ::)
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LOL you wish
chubby spastic ::)
Those muslims don't like pigs, but they love to look like one.
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I thought
this was another
gh15 thread
DItto...
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DItto...
Maybe some of you guys should think about their obsessions a bit.
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Those muslims don't like pigs, but they love to look like one.
Indeed!
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LOL sorry to say it, but SB smokes your fat ass. He looks 100000x better on his worst day than you on your best.
Useless without pictures!
Contest shape:
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/141_534845578064_5303897_33956993_3187_n.jpg)
Off-season:
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/7018_676136395134_5303897_39382053_4670978_n.jpg)
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Useless without pictures!
Dude, no hating here.
Trust me, he looks MUCH MUCH better than you.
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Dude, no hating here.
Trust me, he looks MUCH MUCH better than you.
LOL - Trust you? This is GETBIG Mother Fucker, why should I trust you??? I dunno you?
Just like you keep saying why trust GH15??? Just because he say so?
I have no problem admitting someone looks better than me? But to me Schmoe Buster is a guy with a Huge Rack according to his avatar! You two gonna talk shit without owning up to it!
True Internet Warriors!
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(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/141_534845578064_5303897_33956993_3187_n.jpg)
Nice shot ach.........looking peeled with good size!
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Nice shot ach.........looking peeled with good size!
Thanks Wes, thats one of my fave shots taken by Matt Sheppley..... Trying to catch up with you in your hayday! ;D
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LOL - Trust you? This is GETBIG Mother Fucker, why should I trust you??? I dunno you?
Just like you keep saying why trust GH15??? Just because he say so?
I have no problem admitting someone looks better than me? But to me Schmoe Buster is a guy with a Huge Rack according to his avatar! You two gonna talk shit without owning up to it!
True Internet Warriors!
Meltdown.
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Meltdown.
;D
(http://www.x2g.co.uk/db_images/MeltdownWarningAlarm1.jpg)
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LOL - Trust you? This is GETBIG Mother Fucker, why should I trust you??? I dunno you?
Just like you keep saying why trust GH15??? Just because he say so?
I have no problem admitting someone looks better than me? But to me Schmoe Buster is a guy with a Huge Rack according to his avatar! You two gonna talk shit without owning up to it!
True Internet Warriors!
insecure much ::)
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insecure much ::)
Well, he's "natural" and has only taken the strongest steroid ever. ::) ::) ::)
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insecure much ::)
You're the one that came on here and started talking shit buddy!
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Well, he's "natural" and has only taken the strongest steroid ever. ::) ::) ::)
Not to mention fat and ugly and in constant need to post about himself on getbig ::)
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Well, he's "natural" and has only taken the strongest steroid ever. ::) ::) ::)
strongest steroid Ever? Really??? &guy than all available injectables? really?
So I guess thats the reason, I look the way I do? Because I took it one year... I guess all my bodybuilding success is attributed to 8 weeks of M1T, right? Has nothing to do with lifting for almost 10 years, right?
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Not to mention fat and ugly and in constant need to post about himself on getbig ::)
Nothing like 2 picture-less internet tough guys talking shit to a guy who's not afraid to post pictures of himself!
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strongest steroid Ever? Really??? &guy than all available injectables? really?
So I guess thats the reason, I look the way I do? Because I took it one year... I guess all my bodybuilding success is attributed to 8 weeks of M1T, right? Has nothing to do with lifting for almost 10 years, right?
The only thing you look like you lift is a family size bucket of KFC ::)
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The only thing you look like you lift is a family size bucket of KFC ::)
Whatever you say Schmoe-Lover :D
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IMO....
Intense training is key... go heavy, or light, whatever, just go balls to the wall.... I'm never been a follower of any of the HIT, or SSSHT... or whatever, I just go in and train!
Then a good bodybuilding diet.... I had always trained hard, but when I started eating like a bodybuilder, thats when I saw big changes!
Supplements are just that... SUPPLEMENTS... they don't mean shit if you're not eating or training right!
I can't really comment on drugs, because I don't have any experience with them except for some pro-hormone/pro-steroid use a while back!
But... at the end of the day, just go in and lift weights hard!
actually training too hard is more detrimental to progress than training not hard enough
this is the main reason i don't progress i guess :(
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Useless without pictures!
Contest shape:
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/141_534845578064_5303897_33956993_3187_n.jpg)
Off-season:
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/7018_676136395134_5303897_39382053_4670978_n.jpg)
what are your stats in the contest pics?
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actually training too hard is more detrimental to progress than training not hard enough
this is the main reason i don't progress i guess :(
I disagree.... I think "overtraining" is the most over used word in bodybuilding! If you're eating well, getting enough calories, its very hard to "overtrain"
To each their own, but I'm talking about what I've experienced!
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what are your stats in the contest pics?
6 feet, 176 lbs
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I disagree.... I think "overtraining" is the most over used word in bodybuilding! If you're eating well, getting enough calories, its very hard to "overtrain"
To each their own, but I'm talking about what I've experienced!
very easy to overload the central nervous system calories got nothing to doi with it
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you don't look 6' tall
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I think people think these work because they've been on the same regime for 10 years and their growth and strength gains stalled. They try a new FAD workout and holy shit, they feel soreness in their biceps. It MUSt work, it is a miracle. But really if they just switched up and did preachers first instead of last they would feel soreness in their biceps.
It's not rocket science.
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very easy to overload the central nervous system calories got nothing to doi with it
I would say it is easier to overload the CNS than it is to overload your muscles, yes... but again, if you're getting proper rest, you should be ok!
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I would say it is easier to overload the CNS than it is to overload your muscles, yes... but again, if you're getting proper rest, you should be ok!
i understand what u say but what i say is that training as hard as possible all the time is not the brightest idea unless chemical assistance
but i dont know i wish i understand lifting weights but it's more compex than it all appears
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you don't look 6' tall
ok :D
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i understand what u say but what i say is that training as hard as possible all the time is not the brightest idea unless chemical assistance
but i dont know i wish i understand lifting weights but it's more compex than it all appears
I don't think its even possible to train as crazy hard balls to the wall EVERY TIME you set foot in the gym, enhanced or not. I mean, take into consideration life in general, stress, work, illnesses, etc...
What I'm saying is that you should put in an honest effort in the weight room, you should be intense, I dunno how to explain it!
For me, I find... if I'm eating right, I'm consistent with my work outs, I'm training hard... then I respond!
As I said, I've never done any crazy work out split or whatever, I just go in and lift weights to the best of my ability!
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I don't think its even possible to train as crazy hard balls to the wall EVERY TIME you set foot in the gym, enhanced or not. I mean, take into consideration life in general, stress, work, illnesses, etc...
What I'm saying is that you should put in an honest effort in the weight room, you should be intense, I dunno how to explain it!
For me, I find... if I'm eating right, I'm consistent with my work outs, I'm training hard... then I respond!
As I said, I've never done any crazy work out split or whatever, I just go in and lift weights to the best of my ability!
I fully agree with your post
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I fully agree with your post
I think people tend to complicate bodybuilding way more than they need to, just go in and lift weights, and be consistent about that and your diet.
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I think people tend to complicate bodybuilding way more than they need to, just go in and lift weights, and be consistent about that and your diet.
Good post Ach!
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I don't think its even possible to train as crazy hard balls to the wall EVERY TIME you set foot in the gym, enhanced or not.
it is possible but a bad idea
most people dont have enough anger to do it i believe but if you have excess anger it is possible
but not a good idea
should probably cycle the intensity somehow
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I used to overtrain frequently, but that was because I was doing things like DC/HIT style....
heavy weights for lower reps. I found that my muscles weren't holding me back, it was my CNS
from the low rep, really heavy training.
Once I started training with more volume and some higher reps, I found I could train a lot more
and still gain well.
I begin each session with a compound exercise that I try to gain strength on for 7-10 reps.
After that, I just do a lot of sets of a lot of different exercises for higher reps with very short or
no rest periods. I like this style of training.
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Training programs are important, maybe more to a natural then juced, i personally changed four training programs in in the last seven months and i was working on strength and let me tell you i progressed very good with no sticking points even gained some thickness to my muscles.
Just as an example i went from a 135 kg bench to a 143 kg at the end of seven monts. Btw. bench was never my strong lift and i platoed on it for years. Strenght was not that important to me in the last couple of years. But after a concentrated more on dumbbell presses in that seven months and went back to benching it increased almoust 10 kilo.
So to me training programs are very important.
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I'm a lifetime natural, training for 9 years. However my best gains have come within the last 2 years. I find the key is actually isolating the right muscle. It may sound simple, but soo many people let their ego and numbers get in the way. I'm almost finished school for becoming an RMT and the anatomy information helped tremendously. When you know every muscles action, you can figure out how to correct your technique much easier. I was up to 80lbs flat dumbell press after 2 years of training, but I was using almost all front delts because my shoulders were flared out. Once I started school, I realized that one of the main actions of pecs is internal rotation of the humerus. Dropped the weight, kept the elbows tucked, now I'm up to 90lbs and pecs have completely took off. Biggest tip I would say is learn the anatomy, take the time to feel the right muscle working. Slow on the negative so you can actually feel a stretch/pull on what your isolating. Heavy/intense training doesnt mean shit if your just going through the motion.
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I'm a lifetime natural, training for 9 years. However my best gains have come within the last 2 years. I find the key is actually isolating the right muscle. It may sound simple, but soo many people let their ego and numbers get in the way. I'm almost finished school for becoming an RMT and the anatomy information helped tremendously. When you know every muscles action, you can figure out how to correct your technique much easier. I was up to 80lbs flat dumbell press after 2 years of training, but I was using almost all front delts because my shoulders were flared out. Once I started school, I realized that one of the main actions of pecs is internal rotation of the humerus. Dropped the weight, kept the elbows tucked, now I'm up to 90lbs and pecs have completely took off. Biggest tip I would say is learn the anatomy, take the time to feel the right muscle working. Slow on the negative so you can actually feel a stretch/pull on what your isolating. Heavy/intense training doesnt mean shit if your just going through the motion.
I agree,very important.
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I agree,very important.
didnt do shit for me
only decrease my strength
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didnt do shit for me
only decrease my strength
You`re main priority seems to be increasing your lifts as opposed to hypertrophy.......nothin g wrong with that at all,but you`d probably be better served training on more of a bodybuilding type routine.
You are very lean.................... bulk up just a bit,stay there for a good 6 months,then lean out a bit and I`ll bet you gain some more muscle.
I`m not saying to get fat,but let your bodyfat % go up a few points and see how you do.
In other words..........eat more food,and eat more often.
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6 feet, 176 lbs
Look way bigger. Amazing how deceiving a ripped look can be. I guess that's why I don't weigh myself anymore been 2.5 years.
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You`re main priority seems to be increasing your lifts as opposed to hypertrophy.......nothin g wrong with that at all,but you`d probably be better served training on more of a bodybuilding type routine.
You are very lean.................... bulk up just a bit,stay there for a good 6 months,then lean out a bit and I`ll bet you gain some more muscle.
I`m not saying to get fat,but let your bodyfat % go up a few points and see how you do.
In other words..........eat more food,and eat more often.
well ........ i wanted to hypertrophy
found out it didnt work
so said if i cant hypertrophy let me at least get strength
ideally i want both like any sane individual who lifts weights
when u gain fat to gain muscle the same way u will lose muscle to lose fat, getbiggers agreed on this did they not? not sure.....
i wanted to ask u something by the way i saw this bicep tear thread the other day
so maxing out on preacher curls for sets of 5 is dangerous? should i stop this? i started doing this after watching that ct fletcher guy advocating "power curls", approach preacher curls like powerlifting he said....
now i'm scared of tearing my arms
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well ........ i wanted to hypertrophy
found out it didnt work
so said if i cant hypertrophy let me at least get strength
ideally i want both like any sane individual who lifts weights
when u gain fat to gain muscle the same way u will lose muscle to lose fat, getbiggers agreed on this did they not? not sure.....
i wanted to ask u something by the way i saw this bicep tear thread the other day
so maxing out on preacher curls for sets of 5 is dangerous? should i stop this? i started doing this after watching that ct fletcher guy advocating "power curls", approach preacher curls like powerlifting he said....
now i'm scared of tearing my arms
Heavy preacher curls and probably deadlifts have been the cause of most biceps tears.
Of course,most guys cheat too much on preachers in order to use more weight negating the purpose of the exercise anyway,but this causes lots of injuries.
If you know how to train,you can make an 80 pound barbell feel a lot heavier than 80 pounds.
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Look way bigger. Amazing how deceiving a ripped look can be. I guess that's why I don't weigh myself anymore been 2.5 years.
looks about 5'10 to me :)
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Look way bigger. Amazing how deceiving a ripped look can be. I guess that's why I don't weigh myself anymore been 2.5 years.
Yup, bodybuilding is all an illusion! I still weigh myself but when you're on stage, how much you weigh means shit, its all about how you look!
Going back to the main topic, i'm not saying you should have no idea on what you are doing in the gym, sure have a plan, have a program even, that's all fine and well, but thinking that the latest rendition of German Monkey Balls training is the solution to all your problems is a great misconception! If you are half assing your work outs, no program will solve that for you!
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How about the latest Muscletech ad? I spit on it, glad I've never bought a product from them
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Heavy preacher curls and probably deadlifts have been the cause of most biceps tears.
Agree and also add barbell rows with a reverse grip to that list. This caused Dorian's bicep tear. While he was pretty smart about training, he forgot that biceps aren't made for +400 pound rows.
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Heavy preacher curls and probably deadlifts have been the cause of most biceps tears.
Of course,most guys cheat too much on preachers in order to use more weight negating the purpose of the exercise anyway,but this causes lots of injuries.
If you know how to train,you can make an 80 pound barbell feel a lot heavier than 80 pounds.
Exactly, I've always gained more muscle when I dropped the weight and slowed the movement down as opposed to increasing the weight causing other structures to take over. You have to define your goal. If you want to build lots of muscle, than who gives a fuck if your only curling 30's or 40's. It works, thats all that matters. I have no huge numbers to brag about, but I totally own the weight and make it look very smooth, and it packs it on. Most ppl I talk to are always suprised when I tell them how "little" I bench or curl. I always say, "Watch how I do it and you'll understand why"
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I disagree.... I think "overtraining" is the most over used word in bodybuilding! If you're eating well, getting enough calories, its very hard to "overtrain"
To each their own, but I'm talking about what I've experienced!
Wrong, wrong, wrong..on many levels.
Let me break it down for you. "Overtraining" BEGINS to occur when one does any more work than required to stimulate the growth mechanism. The STATE of being "overtrained" itself comes down to "overtraining" enough to actually show noticeable, physical symptoms...i.e.lack of appetite, lack of improvement, losing size and strength, changes in mood etc the list goes on and on.
You CANNOT, I repeat, you CANNOT use Calories or Diet in general for that matter to combat this in the short term, which is what most attempt and fail to do, you'll simply get fat.
Let's talk hypothetically; Let's say the trainer is a natural and let's say you've trained and you've stimulated the growth of 1 pound of muscle. I don't know the exact amount of protein contained within a pound of muscle off the top of my head, nor do I know how much additional protein is needed to aid in the process (i.e.enzymes etc). For the sake of argument let's say that figure is X. Your body can only assimilate and use so much protein at any one time, so force feeding protein well beyond the needs of X and the rate at which it can be used is useless anyway. In conclusion, combating overtraining with more and more calories over the requirement won't force your body to heal and improve any quicker than it already would have.
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Wrong, wrong, wrong..on many levels.
Let me break it down for you. "Overtraining" BEGINS to occur when one does any more work than required to stimulate the growth mechanism. The STATE of being "overtrained" itself comes down to "overtraining" enough to actually show noticeable, physical symptoms...i.e.lack of appetite, lack of improvement, losing size and strength, changes in mood etc the list goes on and on.
You CANNOT, I repeat, you CANNOT use Calories or Diet in general for that matter to combat this in the short term, which is what most attempt and fail to do, you'll simply get fat.
Let's talk hypothetically; Let's say the trainer is a natural and let's say you've trained and you've stimulated the growth of 1 pound of muscle. I don't know the exact amount of protein contained within a pound of muscle off the top of my head, nor do I know how much additional protein is needed to aid in the process (i.e.enzymes etc). For the sake of argument let's say that figure is X. Your body can only assimilate and use so much protein at any one time, so force feeding protein well beyond the needs of X and the rate at which it can be used is useless anyway. In conclusion, combating overtraining with more and more calories over the requirement won't force your body to heal and improve any quicker than it already would have.
LOL, ok Mike Mentzer. ::) ::) ::)
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so if you can bench press 185 pounds for 3 sets of 10 reps and you just stay there you'll end up getting bigger and fuller muscles eventually?
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LOL, ok Mike Mentzer. ::) ::) ::)
Put aside Mentzer. Am I wrong?
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Nubret and the golden age guys just did set after set after set, and they didn't overtrain.
I realize they were the genetic elite and on boatloads of AAS, but it does prove to me
that you don't have to do low volume, strength based training for hypertrophy.
I think you need to be moderately strong before volume training becomes beneficial, but I
think a mixture of the two is best.... some strength work and some volume work covers all
bases.
Train heavy on the compound lifts, then volume with higher reps on isolation lifts.
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it is possible but a bad idea
most people dont have enough anger to do it i believe but if you have excess anger it is possible
but not a good idea
should probably cycle the intensity somehow
I train to failure every set. Yes, i am an agressive person.
How do you know when your cns is fried?
My strength always goes up, i feel tired and stuff a lot but i had that since i was a kid.
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Put aside Mentzer. Am I wrong?
In my opinion yes you're wrong, but it is only my opinion. You on the other hand, are trying to pass your opinion (which is regurgitated Mentzer crap) as fact, arrogantly at that. There are no black & white answers, there is no best way to train, there is no way you can say you'll overtrain by doing x amount more work.
But please, feel free to explain how do we know when we've done enough to "stimulate the growth mechanism". I know I know, one set to failure right?
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Wrong, wrong, wrong..on many levels.
Let me break it down for you. "Overtraining" BEGINS to occur when one does any more work than required to stimulate the growth mechanism. The STATE of being "overtrained" itself comes down to "overtraining" enough to actually show noticeable, physical symptoms...i.e.lack of appetite, lack of improvement, losing size and strength, changes in mood etc the list goes on and on.
You CANNOT, I repeat, you CANNOT use Calories or Diet in general for that matter to combat this in the short term, which is what most attempt and fail to do, you'll simply get fat.
Let's talk hypothetically; Let's say the trainer is a natural and let's say you've trained and you've stimulated the growth of 1 pound of muscle. I don't know the exact amount of protein contained within a pound of muscle off the top of my head, nor do I know how much additional protein is needed to aid in the process (i.e.enzymes etc). For the sake of argument let's say that figure is X. Your body can only assimilate and use so much protein at any one time, so force feeding protein well beyond the needs of X and the rate at which it can be used is useless anyway. In conclusion, combating overtraining with more and more calories over the requirement won't force your body to heal and improve any quicker than it already would have.
This is exactly what i'm taking about regarding over complicating shit!
First of all I never said go and over consumer protein or calories. I said if you're eating well and eating enough, and getting plenty of rest, then its very hard to over train!
Your body is not some delicate flower, don't be afraid to push it and challenge it! Regardless of whether you're training heavy or light, you can still be intense!
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In my opinion yes you're wrong, but it is only my opinion. You on the other hand, are trying to pass your opinion (which is regurgitated Mentzer crap) as fact, arrogantly at that. There are no black & white answers, there is no best way to train, there is no way you can say you'll overtrain by doing x amount more work.
But please, feel free to explain how do we know when we've done enough to "stimulate the growth mechanism". I know I know, one set to failure right?
There is a best way to train for each individual and that means manipulating the variables to that individual (I am not saying it is easy to do! Yes, there are more than one way to skin a cat, but some are more economic than others!). What I am saying is that there are certain factors that we have little or no part in controlling and that trying to overcome it with something like diet is something that is very common in the bodybuilding/training circles. I'm studying exercise science etc at the moment so I am overly passionate about this and probably get a bit matter of fact like.
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If you're even cognizant about the mind muscle connection and train to stimulate your muscles with a weight that challenges you (balancing things out between not lifting with your ego but also not lifting a pussy weight) then you're already so far ahead of the pack we don't even need to have this discussion. Add drugs to the mix and we should have stopped talking about this a long time ago.
I never really dabbled around with many training "styles" but took what worked for me and just patiently watched what happened. I don't know why or how people can spend years lifting and not make any progress... I mean, I know that shit takes a long time to change but you have to be dumber than a roll of fucking toilet paper to keep plugging away and making no changes. 90% of the people in my gym don't ever change year after year and I wonder what the fuck compels them to even go to the gym lol
The training style you use will only make a marginal different. I don't believe in cookie cutter designs, just do what works for YOU because if you're not employing these training styles correctly to begin with then that's another humongous variable that makes it even more impossible to compare anything.
I'll note one thing though, the DC training programs are really good for building strength. Anything with structure and consistency will give you results, but DC training is really good for building strength. I'll give liar Danta that. I did that kind of training for a while and then my log book got soaked and I said fuck it. I got strong as fuck though but after a while I realized that dangerously heavy lifting is the absolute wrong direction to take your training.
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There is a best way to train for each individual and that means manipulating the variables to that individual (I am not saying it is easy to do! Yes, there are more than one way to skin a cat, but some are more economic than others!). What I am saying is that there are certain factors that we have little or no part in controlling and that trying to overcome it with something like diet is something that is very common in the bodybuilding/training circles. I'm studying exercise science etc at the moment so I am overly passionate about this and probably get a bit matter of fact like.
Fair enough, but how can you say there is a best way and then say it is all dependent on the individual? Then there is no best way if it varies so much from person to person.I mean, there is no best way because it is all individual, it is about finding the best way for you.
About diet, plenty of people need more volume of work to grow and obviously expend more calories doing that amount of volume, so by eating more calories they are replenishing all they lost. What would happen if they didn't eat more? They'd feel "overtrained" due to not consuming enough to cover their training.
No disrespect, but exercise science is good for sports athlete training, performance, etc. Here we are talking bodybuilding..do you really think science and studies are needed to train for muscle growth, bbing? I have to disagree.
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This is exactly what i'm taking about regarding over complicating shit!
First of all I never said go and over consumer protein or calories. I said if you're eating well and eating enough, and getting plenty of rest, then its very hard to over train!
Your body is not some delicate flower, don't be afraid to push it and challenge it! Regardless of whether you're training heavy or light, you can still be intense!
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This I agree with. Your body isn't a delicate flower by any means, but it is fine-tuned and it doesn't have an unlimited ability to handle anything and everything you throw at it. I may be overcomplicating things, but we are surrounded by an industry that puts out so much blatant bullshit, stark statements without the evidence, i.e. the supplement industry and the muscle magazines that I see red when people are frowned upon for trying to apply physiology/biology to it.
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Fair enough, but how can you say there is a best way and then say it is all dependent on the individual? Then there is no best way if it varies so much from person to person.I mean, there is no best way because it is all individual, it is about finding the best way for you.
About diet, plenty of people need more volume of work to grow and obviously expend more calories doing that amount of volume, so by eating more calories they are replenishing all they lost. What would happen if they didn't eat more? They'd feel "overtrained" due to not consuming enough to cover their training.
No disrespect, but exercise science is good for sports athlete training, performance, etc. Here we are talking bodybuilding..do you really think science and studies are needed to train for muscle growth, bbing? I have to disagree.
Along with some other areas of study, very much so! I think if applied and studied properly it is very useful.
With regards to your previous paragraph, I make such bold statements because we are all so alike. Yes, we vary here or there across the whole of mankind, and yes you get your rare exceptions who even at a genetic level either do not work the same or miss certain characteristics that we would know as "normal". I think a certain amount of generalisation has to be made as most people are so similar and then the real odd ones out can be tailored for after. I still don't think that changes the fact that we should be trying to find a generally sound/productive way of training for the average person even if we do have some variance at either end of the scale and dotted across.
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Nubret and the golden age guys just did set after set after set, and they didn't overtrain.
I realize they were the genetic elite and on boatloads of AAS, but it does prove to me
that you don't have to do low volume, strength based training for hypertrophy.
I think you need to be moderately strong before volume training becomes beneficial, but I
think a mixture of the two is best.... some strength work and some volume work covers all
bases.
Train heavy on the compound lifts, then volume with higher reps on isolation lifts.
See that's the problem when it comes to building muscle naturally. Fuck this compound lift bs. You have certain days for certain muscles, hence each lift/exercise your goal is ISOLATION. Think about it, lets say monday is chest and your treating bench press as a compound exercise. So you lift heavy and end up recruiting a lot of triceps and shoulders in the process. Then shoulder day or tricep day rolls around, but since you went heavy on bench "compound style", those muscles are still repairing from the previous workout. This is when the overtraining happens; you end up hitting the muscle more than intended. As a result, chest lags behind because you were more worried about lifting heavy, and triceps and shoulders eventually become overtrained because they are being overworked. Theres countless examples; forearms/front delts taking over for bicep curls etc.
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Here`s a good tip for guys who like preacher curls................... ......example weight being 100 pounds for 6-8 reps.
EXAMPLE:
If you are using 100 pounds for 6-8 reps,drop the weight to 75 pounds,do one rep,followed by one half rep about duh.......halfway up. :D
This 1 + 1/2 rep will count as one rep..................... .....controlled movement,stop at the top when you feel the contraction and squeeze,any further up and you lose the contraction.
Slow controlled negative.
Try to get a total of 8 reps counting each 1 +1/2 rep as one rep.
When the set is completed,do 3 more half reps from the bottom position,followed by 3 more half reps from the top position.
This way you won`t cheat,don`t have to go as heavy,and you don`t risk a torn biceps muscle.
Try these 1 + 1/2 reps ......they are fucking murderous trust me.
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Agree and also add barbell rows with a reverse grip to that list. This caused Dorian's bicep tear. While he was pretty smart about training, he forgot that biceps aren't made for +400 pound rows.
Yup!
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Heavy preacher curls and probably deadlifts have been the cause of most biceps tears.
Of course,most guys cheat too much on preachers in order to use more weight negating the purpose of the exercise anyway,but this causes lots of injuries.
If you know how to train,you can make an 80 pound barbell feel a lot heavier than 80 pounds.
what if i do controlled negative, lock arms completely straight for a second and curl up (straight bar)
what are the odds of tearing a bicep like this
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Put aside Mentzer. Am I wrong?
not at all, mentzer was right on many things
maybe his actual practical application was madness i dont know
but a lot of his general ideas are true
i said before
over training is more detrimental than under training see this graph
(http://www.abae.co.uk/aba/assets/Image/Overcompensation_model.JPG)
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what if i do controlled negative, lock arms completely straight for a second and curl up (straight bar)
what are the odds of tearing a bicep like this
I always lock out at the bottom to ensure getting a full stretch,but I never bounce the bar and use momentum to get it back up.
I used to do 120 pounds like this but get far better results these days using 80 pounds or so or on a machine or cable.
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what if i do controlled negative, lock arms completely straight for a second and curl up (straight bar)
what are the odds of tearing a bicep like this
Stopping at the bottom locked out takes the tension off the muscle.
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not at all, mentzer was right on many things
maybe his actual practical application was madness i dont know
but a lot of his general ideas are true
i said before
over training is more detrimental than under training see this graph
(http://www.abae.co.uk/aba/assets/Image/Overcompensation_model.JPG)
Oh, don't get me wrong...I'm a massive Mentzer fan.
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Stopping at the bottom locked out takes the tension off the muscle.
Stopping for a split second or so isn`t gonna` make a hell of a lot of difference....you are totally correct though my friend! ;)
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Stopping for a split second or so isn`t gonna` make a hell of a lot of difference....you are totally correct though my friend! ;)
I agree, pausing consciously for a moment at the bottom actually helps you neuromuscularly set up. I always make sure that I stop and start the movement deliberately and with purpose.
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Consistency is the key, not so much training style. A natural will max out in about 2 years, any gains after that are small and the effort needed to grow becomes unsustainable. Once this plateau is reached, 1-2 days/week in the gym is enough to sustain.
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Oh, don't get me wrong...I'm a massive Mentzer fan.
but he says "training once every 14 days is literally magic" .... "some people can tolerate even less"
i mean that's fucked up....
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but he says "training once every 14 days is literally magic" .... "some people can tolerate even less"
i mean that's fucked up....
He quotes it as once a week and for most naturals, believe me, he isn't stating anything crazy. It's tried and tested by myself over the last 7 years with many, many training partners.
I haven't trained more than once a week for 5 years...and yes, I am very muscular and strong.
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He quotes it as once a week and for most naturals, believe me, he isn't stating anything crazy. It's tried and tested by myself over the last 7 years with many, many training partners.
I haven't trained more than once a week for 5 years...and yes, I am very muscular and strong.
he really did say once every 14 days
i think
let me look up the video
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he really did say once every 14 days
i think
let me look up the video
Well I wouldn't be surprised. I've gone longer than that and made massive improvements when I've reached a sticking point.
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Metzer philosophy changed a lot over the yerars,just like his mental stability.
Not a knock on Mike,just the truth.
It`s true also that he built his physique mainly using volume in the early years of his career and then met Jones and the rest is his dogma and Jones dogma doing the talking/promoting to increase Nautilus sales firstly,then to make coin for Mikes Heavy Duty.
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main reasons i cannot take the leap of faith of mentzer training is
According to Peter McGough, editor-in-chief of FLEX magazine, stories began to surface of Mentzer exhibiting some very erratic behavior. Stories of him running naked through the streets, directing traffic, telling prophecies about the end of the world, being arrested by the police numerous times and even waiting for aliens to land were all published in magazines at one point or another. Popular bodybuilding writer Dan Duchaine even suggested that Mentzer was drinking his own urine at the time. Mentzer denied this in a 2001 interview with Ironman magazine. Nonetheless, according to McGough, some of these stories are true.[citation needed] Mentzer was also regularly institutionalized between 1985 up until 1990, when he finally kicked his amphetamine habit.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Mentzer#Final_years_and_death
also obviously arthur jones scambag etc
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Metzer philosophy changed a lot over the yerars,just like his mental stability.
Not a knock on Mike,just the truth.
It`s true also that he built his physique mainly using volume in the early years of his career and then met Jones and the rest is his dogma and Jones dogma doing the talking/promoting to increase Nautilus sales firstly,then to make coin for Mikes Heavy Duty.
Regardless of that being true or not Wes, for myself and many friends and colleagues I train with or have trained with (I'm talking probably 30-40 people over the years) a Heavy Duty style routine has worked literally wonders and if adapted properly to the individual is the best thing for naturals IMO.
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main reasons i cannot take the leap of faith of Mendez training is
According to Peter Magog, of FLEX magazine, stories began to surface of Mendez exhibiting some very erratic behavior. Stories of him running naked through the streets, directing traffic, telling prophecies about the end of the world, being arrested by the police numerous times and even waiting for aliens to land were all published in magazines at one point or another. Popular bodybuilding writer Dan Douching even suggested that Mendez was drinking his own urine at the time. Mendez denied this in a 2001 interview with Ironman magazine. Nonetheless, according to Magog, some of these stories are true.[citation needed] Mendez was also regularly institutionalized between 1985 up until 1990, when he finally kicked his amphetamine habit.
http://en.wiped.org/Viki/Mike_Mendez#Final_years_and_death
also obviously Arthur Jones scambag etc
Meh, I don't really take to anecdotal evidence, ESPECIALLY from those within the bodybuilding industry. Even if Mike went through that period, which I believe he probably did have his issues, IMO you can't criticize him for the core principle of his view of training;, aiming to find and/or describe an efficient way of training. Even if he was wrong, he wasn't dishonest. I spoke to Samir Bannout personally about Mike and he said he was the most HONEST guy he knew and that to quote Samir directly, "EVERYTHING HE SAYS WORKS". I'll get the screenshots of some of my discussions with Samir when I can dig them out. BTW, I'm aware that the Samir quote is anecdotal which is ironic, but you'll just have to take my word for it lol.
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pjim i think it's crazy u train only once a week
what are your stats and lifts if you dont mind
this would be the most amazing way to save time
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Regardless of that being true or not Wes, for myself and many friends and colleagues I train with or have trained with (I'm talking probably 30-40 people over the years) a Heavy Duty style routine has worked literally wonders and if adapted properly to the individual is the best thing for naturals IMO.
Hey if it works for you,that`s a good thing bro! ;)
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Naturals or drug users, you have to train hard if you want to grow. Unless you use stupid amounts of insulin and GH, then any damn thing will, do lol.
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pjim i think it's crazy u train only once a week
what are your stats and lifts if you dont mind
this would be the most amazing way to save time
there are also a few others here on this board who only train once a week or less
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there are also a few others here on this board who only train once a week or less
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Anyone that trains once a week doesn't like training.
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;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
and sev doesn't train his legs, and i don't train my calves... never have, never will
so i guess falcon was right, standing and walking around all day is all you really need for your legs and calves ;D
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Anyone that trains once a week doesn't like training.
What kind of idiot actually likes training? I like the results, not the grind of getting them. Better ways to spend one's time than sweating in a gym for hours each week...
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What kind of idiot actually likes training? I like the results, not the grind of getting them. Better ways to spend one's time than sweating in a gym for hours each week...
I love training............just an hour or so a day,not counting any cardio if you get busy.
Not a lot of time at all to invest in your body.........you only get one!
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What kind of idiot actually likes training? I like the results, not the grind of getting them. Better ways to spend one's time than sweating in a gym for hours each week...
I love training. Who likes training? Physical people, it's an outlet.
Great feeling.
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What kind of idiot actually likes training? I like the results, not the grind of getting them. Better ways to spend one's time than sweating in a gym for hours each week...
its therapy for me.
my hour of the day that is mine and mine alone. no bills, no gf drama, no bullshit. its peace and something i do for me. my selfish hour.
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I love training............just an hour or so a day,not counting any cardio if you get busy.
Not a lot of time at all to invest in your body.........you only get one!
Same here, i love training.
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its therapy for me.
my hour of the day that is mine and mine alone. no bills, no gf drama, no bullshit. its peace and something i do for me. my selfish hour.
EXACTLY!!! :) :) well said
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pjim i think it's crazy u train only once a week
what are your stats and lifts if you dont mind
this would be the most amazing way to save time
I'm about 200-205 lbs at 5'11", natural (hence my preference for HIT style) pretty lean (abs etc).Lifts are done in pre-exhaust style unless I am doing a consolidated compound only routine so the numbers don't mean much. In all honesty I've always been strong as long as I can remember I was maxing out gym equipment within 3 months of training at the age of 16 when I was training 2 days a week due to school and other commitments, which I suppose looking back during my volume years, I was training a lot smarter than I had realized at the time. Anyway, my lifts are all about super slow negatives and static holds, that is the focus of the training, it's cliche but the weight really doesn't matter as long as I show improvement in one form or another i.e.reps, improvement in negative strength. An example of some numbers I am proud of? I've 3/4 deadlifted (done from the knee not the ground a la Dorian's advice) 485lbs/220kg x 15 reps with super slow negatives on each rep. Try it in super slow fashion with negatives lasting as long as you can with perfect form and your deadlift strength will skyrocket.
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pjim i think it's crazy u train only once a week
what are your stats and lifts if you dont mind
this would be the most amazing way to save time
I gained most of my muscle on very low volume not the h.i.t type more like 5x5 or brief full body workouts. 2 -3 days a week I don't think it really matters much though. I do think that type of training is set up to gain strength so is great for the person trying to build initial strength/muscle. From newbie to 250 -275 bench press its my opinion full body workouts will get you there the fastest.
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They're missing the point. Mike made it purposely slower than he would normally advocate to stress the importance of control and to take all of the momentum out of it. As long as you're making a conscious effort to control the whole movement, you're training like he would have liked.
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Training styles.... ::) ::) ::)
HIT is better than volume
Volume is better than HIT
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"Doggcrapp"
Oh boy. Just go to the gym and lift weights, you get muscle because you train hard and inject steroids, not because you train in a certain way.
A scam? Yes. A bigger scam? No.
Most guys in a gym know about supplements; they are sold in or near most gyms. By contrast, most guys in a gym have never heard of HIT, Volume, or other training styles and couldn’t care less about them. If you take supplements (especially shakes) you are probably invested in them in so far as you like the taste. Training styles not so much.
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and sev doesn't train his legs, and i don't train my calves... never have, never will
so i guess falcon was right, standing and walking around all day is all you really need for your legs and calves ;D
very wrong
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I gained most of my muscle on very low volume not the h.i.t type more like 5x5 or brief full body workouts. 2 -3 days a week I don't think it really matters much though. I do think that type of training is set up to gain strength so is great for the person trying to build initial strength/muscle. From newbie to 250 -275 bench press its my opinion full body workouts will get you there the fastest.
i do these full body 5x5 routines 3 times a week
and what sort of sucks is that my squats and deadlifts always go up and up (slowly but inevitably) but my bench maxes out at 130kg (286lbs) and doesnt seem to be going towards 150kg any day soon
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these guys are more clueless than me so much has been obvious to me
just some random bro scientists with negro genetic
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A scam? Yes. A bigger scam? No.
Most guys in a gym know about supplements; they are sold in or near most gyms. By contrast, most guys in a gym have never heard of HIT, Volume, or other training styles and couldn’t care less about them. If you take supplements (especially shakes) you are probably invested in them in so far as you like the taste. Training styles not so much.
Hey Bay, do you think this thread would have made 7 pages if I didn't blow the whole thing a bit out of proportion??
Man, half of the kids on here are victim of the modern media, they don't care about htings like that, they just want the next big scandal and I treid to give them one.
;D ;D ;D