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Imagine this shit...... :-X
PHOENIX -- An Arizona woman is wondering what hurt more: getting stung by a scorpion or seeing her hospital bill after treatment.
Marcie Edmonds says the bill from Chandler Regional Medical Center was more than $83,000. That includes two doses of anti-venom at nearly $40,000 per dose.
The 52-year-old Ahwatukee (ah-wha-TU'-kee) Foothills resident was stung in June while opening a box of air conditioner filters in her garage.
Edmonds says an emergency room doctor told her about the Mexican anti-venom Anascorp that could quickly relieve her symptoms, but she was never told about the cost.
Chandler Regional says Edmonds' bill represents the out-of-network costs for her treatment.
Almost 6 figures for 2 doses of scorpion anti-venom!!!!!
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What the fuck does that have to o w ObamaCare?
Imagine this shit...... :-X
PHOENIX -- An Arizona woman is wondering what hurt more: getting stung by a scorpion or seeing her hospital bill after treatment.
Marcie Edmonds says the bill from Chandler Regional Medical Center was more than $83,000. That includes two doses of anti-venom at nearly $40,000 per dose.
The 52-year-old Ahwatukee (ah-wha-TU'-kee) Foothills resident was stung in June while opening a box of air conditioner filters in her garage.
Edmonds says an emergency room doctor told her about the Mexican anti-venom Anascorp that could quickly relieve her symptoms, but she was never told about the cost.
Chandler Regional says Edmonds' bill represents the out-of-network costs for her treatment.
Almost 6 figures for 2 doses of scorpion anti-venom!!!!!
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I've been stung by a scorpion twice
didn't go to the doctor either time
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I've been stung by a scorpion twice
didn't go to the doctor either time
heard that shit hurts like a bastard.
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heard that shit hurts like a bastard.
It did hurt like shit
worse than any bee sting or wasp
they were all over our house in Texas (had a big house out in the country)
the first time I was stung I laid right on top of it (was laying down on the floor to watch TV) and wasn't wearing a shirt
2nd time on the hand, I think it was on my shoe (can't recall)
wouldn't mind at all if I never experienced it again
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What the fuck does that have to o w ObamaCare?
Just stop posting.
You really dont know shit about the things you comment on here.
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Just stop posting.
You really dont know shit about the things you comment on here.
I didn't know obaacare sets the price of drugs.
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33's question is completely legit, please find the paragraph in the 3000 pages that deals with scorpion stings
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LOL.
So Obamacare is going to reduce the price on medicines and insurance premiums. How?
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LOL.
So Obamacare is going to reduce the price on medicines and insurance premiums. How?
If everyone pays into the system, we won't have problems like this.....I mean 80k for 2 lousy doses of scorpion spit. Socialized healthcare would prevent this type of price gouging.
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LOL.
So Obamacare is going to reduce the price on medicines and insurance premiums. How?
Medicine isnt nowhere near as expensive in Europe
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Imagine this shit...... :-X
PHOENIX -- An Arizona woman is wondering what hurt more: getting stung by a scorpion or seeing her hospital bill after treatment.
Marcie Edmonds says the bill from Chandler Regional Medical Center was more than $83,000. That includes two doses of anti-venom at nearly $40,000 per dose.
The 52-year-old Ahwatukee (ah-wha-TU'-kee) Foothills resident was stung in June while opening a box of air conditioner filters in her garage.
Edmonds says an emergency room doctor told her about the Mexican anti-venom Anascorp that could quickly relieve her symptoms, but she was never told about the cost.
Chandler Regional says Edmonds' bill represents the out-of-network costs for her treatment.
Almost 6 figures for 2 doses of scorpion anti-venom!!!!!
This is precisely what is wrong with Obamacare and any other Health system where Private Insurance is at the forefront.
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If everyone pays into the system, we won't have problems like this.....I mean 80k for 2 lousy doses of scorpion spit. Socialized healthcare would prevent this type of price gouging.
Here is how cost is determined:
http://tlc.howstuffworks.com/family/reasonable-and-customary-charge.htm
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Unlike most aspects of health insurance, there are very few regulations for insurance companies when determining what they consider reasonable or customary. In fact, only a few states even define what constitutes the terms "reasonable, usual and customary" and even fewer have regulations on the methodology used in determining these charges. Some insurance companies use statistics found in national studies of your geographic area in order to determine reasonable and customary charges. These studies include the fees charged by medical service providers such as doctors and hospitals. However, in some cases, insurance companies determine these charges using information compiled by themselves and regulated by no one.
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In other words, as long as you have Private Insurance dictating which doctor you can and can`t see, how much medical costs will be, what they will cover and how much,
YOU ARE FUCKED and have zero choice in the matter, especially if your employer offers only one or two plans.
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If everyone pays into the system, we won't have problems like this.....I mean 80k for 2 lousy doses of scorpion spit. Socialized healthcare would prevent this type of price gouging.
Bullshit, and its not the governments job to make me pay into their fucked up system. Perhaps you missed the part about the out of network cost and anti-venom being produced in Mexico.
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Bullshit, and its not the governments job to make me pay into their fucked up system. Perhaps you missed the part about the out of network cost and anti-venom being produced in Mexico.
Wouldn`t you rather have the freedom to see any doctor you want without a middle man telling you where you can and can`t go?
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Wouldn`t you rather have the freedom to see any doctor you want without a middle man telling you where you can and can`t go?
That is exactly why I want the government out of it all together. I can remember a time before all this bullshit, and health care was affordable.
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Bullshit, and its not the governments job to make me pay into their fucked up system. Perhaps you missed the part about the out of network cost and anti-venom being produced in Mexico.
So you dont want the freedom to choose your doctor? You want that dictated by an insurance guy ???
And you want medicine to be so expensive you and your family cant afford it?
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So you dont want the freedom to choose your doctor? You want that dictated by an insurance guy ???
And you want medicine to be so expensive you and your family cant afford it?
What the fuck are you talking about? When I was a kid we had a family doctor that we chose. Then all of the sudden the government gets involved, fucking around in something they have no business. Then guess what, well your doctor isn't in your network you have to get a new one. The price sky rockets for everything. Yes things are so much better now ::)
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That is exactly why I want the government out of it all together. I can remember a time before all this bullshit, and health care was affordable.
The government hasn`t been involved. ???
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What the fuck are you talking about? When I was a kid we had a family doctor that we chose. Then all of the sudden the government gets involved, fucking around in something they have no business. Then guess what, well your doctor isn't in your network you have to get a new one. The price sky rockets for everything. Yes things are so much better now ::)
Your PRIVATE Insurance Company decides who is in your Network and who is not.
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Your PRIVATE Insurance Company decides who is in your Network and who is not.
You fuckers just don't get it do you? Maybe I'm just that to much older than you, and you just can't grasp what things were like
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Your PRIVATE Insurance Company decides who is in your Network and who is not.
And who handed the keys to the kingdom to the fucking insurance companies?
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Bullshit, and its not the governments job to make me pay into their fucked up system. Perhaps you missed the part about the out of network cost and anti-venom being produced in Mexico.
So because she wasn't told by the doctor of the cost and she had to make a life and death choice, she should still be responsible for it????
It should never be an "out of network" charge for scorpion venom...and a lot of medicine is made in Mexico so it doesn't make any difference
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So because she wasn't told by the doctor of the cost and she had to make a life and death choice, she should still be responsible for it????
It should never be an "out of network" charge for scorpion venom...and a lot of medicine is made in Mexico so it doesn't make any difference
Yes, its your life, not the doctors and not the governments
Why? Does Obamacare get to dictate to Mexican companies how much they can charge for what they produce?
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So because she wasn't told by the doctor of the cost and she had to make a life and death choice, she should still be responsible for it????
It should never be an "out of network" charge for scorpion venom...and a lot of medicine is made in Mexico so it doesn't make any difference
Doctors most of the time have no clue if they are in or out of a Network. The hospitals have separate billing departments who royally fuck this up all of the time. Sadly, none of this is going to change as long as Private Insurance is at the forefront. Obamacare just keeps them in the pilot seat. Republicans should be proud as this is their wet dream.
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Yes, its your life, not the doctors and not the governments
Why? Does Obamacare get to dictate to Mexican companies how much they can charge for what they produce?
Obamacare is not dictating anything nor will it. Your Private Insurance company dictates all of that. And being a dictator is what they do best.
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Obamacare is not dictating anything nor will it. Your Private Insurance company dictates all of that. And being a dictator is what they do best.
So you think the government has no hand in the power that the insurance companies now seem to have?
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So you think the government has no hand in the power that the insurance companies now seem to have?
I know they don`t. The few things that government has done, making Pre-Existing Conditions disappear and forcing more money spent on actual Health Care rather than bureaucracy, is a good thing, but FAR from enough. Not much at all changes. You won`t notice a thing.
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Doctors most of the time have no clue if they are in or out of a Network. The hospitals have separate billing departments who royally fuck this up all of the time. Sadly, none of this is going to change as long as Private Insurance is at the forefront. Obamacare just keeps them in the pilot seat. Republicans should be proud as this is their wet dream.
So what do you recommend???
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So what do you recommend???
Single Payer. The highest quality care as well as the most economically efficient.
http://www.pnhp.org/facts/what-is-single-payer
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I know they don`t. The few things that government has done, making Pre-Existing Conditions disappear and forcing more money spent on actual Health Care rather than bureaucracy, is a good thing, but FAR from enough. Not much at all changes. You won`t notice a thing.
Fucking please, they just went through this whole fucking mess of healthcare reform because the government has no hand in this. Richard Nixon opened the flood gates to this mess and the government has just kept fucking it up more over time
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Fucking please, they just went through this whole fucking mess of healthcare reform because the government has no hand in this. Richard Nixon opened the flood gates to this mess and the government has just kept fucking it up more over time
I thought you liked Private Health Insurance. This was Nixon`s contribution.
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I thought you liked Private Health Insurance. This was Nixon`s contribution.
No I don't like private insurance and I sure as hell don't want the government making decisions about my healthcare either. Like I said I remember a simpler time, before the HMO's. PPO's...... Go to the doctor and not get charges $300 for an aspirin.
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No I don't like private insurance and I sure as hell don't want the government making decisions about my healthcare either. Like I said I remember a simpler time, before the HMO's. PPO's...... Go to the doctor and not get charges $300 for an aspirin.
Republicans want more HMO`s, PPO`s and you go right along with it by voting them in office. Single Payer is the only way to go. I am sure you do not have enough money in the bank at all if you had Cancer and had to pay for it all by yourself, so your Patient and Doctor scenario is nonsense. Would you just die or sign all of your property and possessions over to your Doctor, you wouldn`t have any other option.
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Single Payer. The highest quality care as well as the most economically efficient.
http://www.pnhp.org/facts/what-is-single-payer
Never heard of this before....very interesting read.
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Republicans want more HMO`s, PPO`s and you go right along with it by voting them in office. Single Payer is the only way to go. I am sure you do not have enough money in the bank at all if you had Cancer and had to pay for it all by yourself, so your Patient and Doctor scenario is nonsense. Would you just die or sign all of your property and possessions over to your Doctor, you wouldn`t have any other option.
You have no fucking idea what I vote for, you just assume I'm a republican, wrong again. I will not register for any party I am an independent.
No its not the only way to go, the reason you believe so is because the cost has spiraled so out of control.
Hey people die everyday, just the way it is, and no I would not ruin my family financially for a couple more years.
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Never heard of this before....very interesting read.
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The government has no hand in the current health care? HEHEHEHEHEH!!!
But, let's go with that lie just for argument sake. Lets have the government handle health care. Why not. They have done a great job with Social Security, Medicare, and the Post Office. It's not like none of those are on their way to bankruptcy and each have billions of dollars in reserve for generations to come. ::)
Everything that the government has tried to manage has ended up being a mess.
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The government has no hand in the current health care? HEHEHEHEHEH!!!
But, let's go with that lie just for argument sake. Lets have the government handle health care. Why not. They have done a great job with Social Security, Medicare, and the Post Office. It's not like none of those are on their way to bankruptcy and each have billions of dollars in reserve for generations to come. ::)
Everything that the government has tried to manage has ended up being a mess.
Ever wonder why so many people choose Medicare over anything else? Because its better. As far as the Post Office is concerned, not only is it in the Constitution and is established by law via the United States Constitution, it still remains the best mail service available. Their goal is not profit.
I ship out hundreds of packages a month and FEDEx and UPS not only are 4 times as expensive, their service absolutely sucks. It costs 19.99 cents to ship Parcel 2 lbs at zip 07747 from NC using UPS. Whereas it is only 4.95 to ship the same package to the same location using USPS. Plus I have had ZERO problems of the thousands and thousands of things sent out and picked up over the years by the USPS. The only problems I have ever had were from UPS and FedEX. Their delivery times are complete shit, especially when sending overseas and even more especially, when sending to rural locations across the United States.
UPS/FEDEx sucks really bad.
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Ever wonder why so many people choose Medicare over anything else? Because its better. As far as the Post Office is concerned, not only is it in the Constitution and is established by law via the United States Constitution, it still remains the best mail service available. Their goal is not profit.
I ship out hundreds of packages a month and FEDEx and UPS not only are 4 times as expensive, their service absolutely sucks. It costs 19.99 cents to ship Parcel 2 lbs at zip 07747 from NC using UPS. Whereas it is only 4.95 to ship the same package to the same location using USPS. Plus I have had ZERO problems of the thousands and thousands of things sent out and picked up over the years by the USPS. The only problems I have ever had were from UPS and FedEX. Their delivery times are complete shit, especially when sending overseas and even more especially, when sending to rural locations across the United States.
UPS/FEDEx sucks really bad.
So where in the constitution is the government authorized to be involved in healthcare?
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Ever wonder why so many people choose Medicare over anything else? Because its better. As far as the Post Office is concerned, not only is it in the Constitution and is established by law via the United States Constitution, it still remains the best mail service available. Their goal is not profit.
I ship out hundreds of packages a month and FEDEx and UPS not only are 4 times as expensive, their service absolutely sucks. It costs 19.99 cents to ship Parcel 2 lbs at zip 07747 from NC using UPS. Whereas it is only 4.95 to ship the same package to the same location using USPS. Plus I have had ZERO problems of the thousands and thousands of things sent out and picked up over the years by the USPS. The only problems I have ever had were from UPS and FedEX. Their delivery times are complete shit, especially when sending overseas and even more especially, when sending to rural locations across the United States.
UPS/FEDEx sucks really bad.
You're still into the antiques business, Adonis??? I would use usps more often if I didn't have such heavy packages
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So where in the constitution is the government authorized to be involved in healthcare?
An amendment is long overdue.
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And who handed the keys to the kingdom to the fucking insurance companies?
You did by opposing the public healthcare option so badly.
All the healthcare companies had to do was yell communism and you shit yourself and handed them the keys.
You were used buddy
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Im fully with Adonis on this issue, Obamacare isn't about health care, it more about giving private insurers a larger customer base through forced commerce.
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Im fully with Adonis on this issue, Obamacare isn't about health care, it more about giving private insurers a larger customer base through forced commerce.
Exactly. I don`t get why this still eludes most Republicans.
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Im fully with Adonis on this issue, Obamacare isn't about health care, it more about giving private insurers a larger customer base through forced commerce.
It was about healthcare but Obama sold out
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It was about healthcare but Obama sold out
It was never about health care, don't lie to yourself.
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It was never about health care, don't lie to yourself.
I should know better than to defend a politician you are right.
The public healthcare system i would support but this mess is..well a mess.
My reasoning for supporting the healthcare overhaul was to get private companies out of peoples lives and health but it sure didnt turn out that way :-\
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So because she wasn't told by the doctor of the cost and she had to make a life and death choice, she should still be responsible for it????
It should never be an "out of network" charge for scorpion venom...and a lot of medicine is made in Mexico so it doesn't make any difference
So instead the rest of us schlubs should pay for it?
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An amendment is long overdue.
So what the government is doing is unconstitutional then
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So instead the rest of us schlubs should pay for it?
You already do, except MUCH, MUCH, MUCH more than if we were to have Single-Payer.
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So what the government is doing is unconstitutional then
Not at all. Bob Dole`s plan aka RomneyCare aka Obamacare are all legal.
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You did by opposing the public healthcare option so badly.
All the healthcare companies had to do was yell communism and you shit yourself and handed them the keys.
You were used buddy
More uninformed bullshit from the peanut gallery ::) And your fucking right I'm going to oppose a bunch of unconstitutional crap the government tried to server up.
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So instead the rest of us schlubs should pay for it?
Do you care if she lives??? You can't put a price on life and our current system doesn't work.
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Not at all. Bob Dole`s plan aka RomneyCare aka Obamacare are all legal.
Romneycare yes, done at the state level. The rest not so much, the SC shit the bed on their decision. They say that the mandate is a tax, but what kind of tax is it? An inaction tax? Well thats just fucking great, it if I don't buy something the government can tax me for it
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Do you care if she lives??? You can't put a price on life and our current system doesn't work.
Personally I don't care, but then I don't know her and I've never met her.
If you're asking, If I was in the same situation, would I care, then yes, probably. 40,000 for some anti-venom is stupid.
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Do you care if she lives??? You can't put a price on life and our current system doesn't work.
What does this have to do w Obamacare that band drug re-importation due to the corrupt deal he made w Big pharma ?
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What does this have to do w Obamacare that band drug re-importation due to the corrupt deal he made w Big pharma ?
Nothing you are changing topic because your intellect does allow you to debate in this thread anymore.
Go start a anti-Obama thread again and leave this discussion to adults
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What does this have to do w Obamacare that band drug re-importation due to the corrupt deal he made w Big pharma ?
Because of our current healthcare system, the US has not developed any anti-venom products in over a decade because the companies don't see any profit in it. Because of it, places like Arizona, New Mexico, and Texas have a huge problem with caring for people from snake and scorpion stings.
But answer the question....do you care whether she lives or dies???
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Nothing you are changing topic because your intellect does allow you to debate in this thread anymore.
Go start a anti-Obama thread again and leave this discussion to adults
Hey moron - look at the title of the thread you illiterate piece of trash.
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You already do, except MUCH, MUCH, MUCH more than if we were to have Single-Payer.
Thread closed great post
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Because of our current healthcare system, the US has not developed any anti-venom products in over a decade because the companies don't see any profit in it. Because of it, places like Arizona, New Mexico, and Texas have a huge problem with caring for people from snake and scorpion stings.
But answer the question....do you care whether she lives or dies???
No. And neither does 99% of the rest of the country. The 1% is her family, and the very rare people that are actually empathetic enough to care about someone they don't know or haven't met.
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In North Carolina, student insurance costs rise under Obamacare
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Charlotte, North Carolina (CNN) - President Obama's health care reform law, which expands preventative care and lets young people remain on their parents' health insurance plans well into their 20s, is a central part of his election year pitch to college students.
And perhaps nowhere are students more critical to the president's re-election chances than in North Carolina, a state jam-packed with colleges and universities that were blitzed by Obama campaign organizers in 2008.
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But as the president fights to keep the conservative-leaning state in his column this November, education officials here are complicating his campaign message by citing "Obamacare" as a reason for the rising cost of student health insurance plans on campuses from Asheville to Wilmington.
In April, Tom Ross, the president of the University of North Carolina system, sent a letter to the university's board of governors announcing that students should brace for a hike in the cost of university-provided insurance plans.
Ross explained that at least 64,000 North Carolina college students - roughly a third of those enrolled in the state's 17 public universities - should expect to see "substantial" increases in health coverage costs for the 2012-2013 academic year.
"Based on more than three semesters of actual claims experience, as well as the new provisions of the Affordable Care Act, we are facing large increases in premiums for our students," Ross wrote in the letter.
In North Carolina, college students are required to have proof of health insurance, either through their university, their parents or a private provider.
Students who purchase insurance plans from North Carolina public universities this fall will be shelling out $709 per semester. That's up significantly from a cost of $460 per semester last year.
In an interview with CNN, Ross said the Obama law - the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act - is only a partial driver of the rising premiums.
Obamacare regulations requiring enhancements in prescription drug coverage and preventive care account for 12% of the insurance cost increase on campuses here, UNC officials estimate.
Most of the cost increase, however, is due to adjustments in coverage by the university's insurance provider, Chartis, after the company evaluated claims experience over the last year and a half.
Ross pointed out that the price tag for UNC-provided insurance coverage is still considerably less than other private plans. He said the university system makes no money off the insurance plan.
Supporters of the new law say the reason for the rising costs is straightforward: Obamacare expands and improves health care coverage, and better care can be more expensive.
While out-of-pocket expenses for birth control and preventative care are reduced under the new law, expanded coverage and more claims may drive up the cost of insurance.
Mary Covington, the executive director of campus health services at UNC-Chapel Hill, told The Daily Tar Heel in August that "nothing is ever free" in the universe of health insurance.
"Eventually the cost of (benefits) will somehow be put into the cost of the policy as soon as they figure out how much it costs," Covington was quoted as saying in a recent story about the increasing cost of insurance on North Carolina campuses.
Rising premiums are not limited to public universities.
Students at Guilford College, a private liberal arts college in Greensboro, were informed in July that the cost of their school-provided health insurance plan was set to rise from $668 per semester in 2011 to $1,179 per semester this fall.
"Our student health insurance policy premium has been substantially increased due to changes required by federal regulations issued on March 16, 2012 under the Affordable Care Act," reads the letter, which was distributed Greg Bursavich, the school's Vice President for Finance.
The main reason for the price hike, Bursavich wrote, is a requirement that health plans provide a minimum policy benefit of $100,000 instead of the $50,000 minimum previously offered by the Guilford-provided plan.
"As the coverage continues to increase, as mandated by the law and the regulations, there is no question the cost is going to go up," Bursavich told CNN in an interview.
Ross, the UNC president, said campus insurance costs could potentially drop in 2014 once states begin to implement insurance exchanges and more students tap into their parents' plans.
"If there is a state pool or other kind of requirement that people have insurance, then we might not need to offer insurance at all," Ross said. "But I don't think we know yet what the impact will be until the Affordable Care Act is fully implemented."
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"Supporters of the new law say the reason for the rising costs is straightforward: Obamacare expands and improves health care coverage, and better care can be more expensive. "
Now I have seen it all ::)
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"Supporters of the new law say the reason for the rising costs is straightforward: Obamacare expands and improves health care coverage, and better care can be more expensive. "
Now I have seen it all ::)
But obama promised a decrease remember?
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But obama promised a decrease remember?
Exactly, but now that its going to cost more, well better care costs more. What the fuck is that? Just change the whole dynamic? As usual more "unintended consequence" of government intervention.
You see that Vince, better care costs more, tuff shit for the scorpion sting victim.
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On the original post. I guess they didn't even tell this lady what the cost of the anti-venom would be. Her insurance did pick up a big chunk but she still has to pay like 25,000. If it's not life threatening they should at least tell you what the cost of the shots are going to be and give you the option of just dealing with the pain vs. 25,000 in pain and probably getting dumped by your insurance :-\
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and then this? WTF?
Anascorp, which was approved by the Food and Drug Administration last year, is sold by distributors to Arizona hospitals for about $3,780 per dose, the Arizona Republic reported.
But a poll done by the newspaper last November found that hospitals in the area charged anywhere from $7,900 to $12,467
she was charged $39, 652 per dose???
Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/arizona-woman-feeling-pain-a-83-046-bill-anti-venom-drug-seeking-medical-treatment-scorpion-sting-article-1.1152754#ixzz25doWEIxu
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and then this? WTF?
Anascorp, which was approved by the Food and Drug Administration last year, is sold by distributors to Arizona hospitals for about $3,780 per dose, the Arizona Republic reported.
But a poll done by the newspaper last November found that hospitals in the area charged anywhere from $7,900 to $12,467
she was charged $39, 652 per dose???
Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/arizona-woman-feeling-pain-a-83-046-bill-anti-venom-drug-seeking-medical-treatment-scorpion-sting-article-1.1152754#ixzz25doWEIxu
Derp.
Gotta make dat skrilla yo'.
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Because of our current healthcare system, the US has not developed any anti-venom products in over a decade because the companies don't see any profit in it. Because of it, places like Arizona, New Mexico, and Texas have a huge problem with caring for people from snake and scorpion stings.
But answer the question....do you care whether she lives or dies???
Why the fuck should I care if she lives or dies?
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Why the fuck should I care if she lives or dies?
Ha, someone else that is honest with themselves.
I know VERY, VERY few people that are actually empathetic enough to feel bad when someone dies that they didn't know. My grandmother is one of them.
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Ha, someone else that is honest with themselves.
I know VERY, VERY few people that are actually empathetic enough to feel bad when someone dies that they didn't know. My grandmother is one of them.
Indeed. Every now and then you may feel something for someone but it's usually pretty fleeting in most people.
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Ha, someone else that is honest with themselves.
I know VERY, VERY few people that are actually empathetic enough to feel bad when someone dies that they didn't know. My grandmother is one of them.
I do feel bad when people didn't need to die. Depending on what it was for it matters even more and kids dying always bugs me. Stuff that is really senseless bugs me the most. But I do ignore most of it because there's so much almost every day it would be depressing as hell.
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I do feel bad when people didn't need to die. Depending on what it was for it matters even more and kids dying always bugs me. Stuff that is really senseless bugs me the most. But I do ignore most of it because there's so much almost every day it would be depressing as hell.
Correct, people will scream bloody murder at every news story but don't bat an eye when someone gets hit by a car. As Fury said, you may feel a fleeting something but its usually in passing. People die, thats life.
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Vince,
I strongly agree that you need Obamacare. Your race and sexual orientation notwithstanding, every single health insurance carrier in the private sector would automatically disqualify you for coverage and classify your stupidity as an inoperable, pre-existing condition.
Thanks.
GW
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Vince,
I strongly agree that you need Obamacare. Your race and sexual orientation notwithstanding, every single health insurance carrier in the private sector would automatically disqualify you for coverage and classify your stupidity as an inoperable, pre-existing condition.
Thanks.
GW
Teh AIDs?
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and then this? WTF?
Anascorp, which was approved by the Food and Drug Administration last year, is sold by distributors to Arizona hospitals for about $3,780 per dose, the Arizona Republic reported.
But a poll done by the newspaper last November found that hospitals in the area charged anywhere from $7,900 to $12,467
she was charged $39, 652 per dose???
Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/arizona-woman-feeling-pain-a-83-046-bill-anti-venom-drug-seeking-medical-treatment-scorpion-sting-article-1.1152754#ixzz25doWEIxu
Gotta love the For Profit Private Insurance Health Care Industry.
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Ha, someone else that is honest with themselves.
I know VERY, VERY few people that are actually empathetic enough to feel bad when someone dies that they didn't know. My grandmother is one of them.
That kind of thinking leads to complacency in things such as the Holocaust.
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That kind of thinking leads to complacency in things such as the Holocaust.
Speaking of complacency, what exactly have you done to help end the violence in Syria? 15,000 dead and counting.
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Speaking of complacency, what exactly have you done to help end the violence in Syria? 15,000 dead and counting.
What would you like me to do? Perhaps voting for Obama who will eventually do something versus Romney who will probably do nothing is a better choice?
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What would you like me to do? Perhaps voting for Obama who will eventually do something versus Romney who will probably do nothing is a better choice?
What would I like you to do? You tell me. You're the one telling us that complacency leads to the Holocaust and I merely pointed out that thousands of Syrians are being killed and asked what you're doing to rectify that. Are you being complacent in the murder of thousands?
From what I remember, I believe Romney has advocated for military intervention while Obama has decided to arm Al Qaeda.
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What would I like you to do? You tell me. You're the one telling us that complacency leads to the Holocaust and I merely pointed out that thousands of Syrians are being killed and asked what you're doing to rectify that. Are you being complacent in the murder of thousands?
From what I remember, I believe Romney has advocated for military intervention while Obama has decided to arm Al Qaeda.
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http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/380531/20120904/romney-obama-biden-syria.htm
Romney’s Stance On Syria Indistinguishable From Obama's
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http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/380531/20120904/romney-obama-biden-syria.htm
Romney’s Stance On Syria Indistinguishable From Obama's
Shame we've got two morons who seem intent on arming and training Al Qaeda.
Now if you'll answer the rest of my previous post.
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What would I like you to do? You tell me. You're the one telling us that complacency leads to the Holocaust and I merely pointed out that thousands of Syrians are being killed and asked what you're doing to rectify that. Are you being complacent in the murder of thousands?
From what I remember, I believe Romney has advocated for military intervention while Obama has decided to arm Al Qaeda.
We can fix the Healthcare Mess. This is doable. Syria may be a bit more difficult.
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Gotta love the For Profit Private Insurance Health Care Industry.
These are prices the hospital is charging way above what it cost them. If they're inflating the price like crazy because they'll get paid outrageous prices doesn't this make Ron Paul right?
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If they're inflating the price like crazy because they'll get paid outrageous prices doesn't this make Ron Paul right?
No. He has no plans to change anything.
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No. He has no plans to change anything.
you actually just dodged the point lol... I didn't ask about Paul's plan. Paul points out why costs are high. Shit like this makes it look like he's spot on.
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you actually just dodged the point lol...
true ass hat does that a lot when he cant answer questions.
refer to fury's posts above.
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you actually just dodged the point lol... I didn't ask about Paul's plan. Paul points out why costs are high. Shit like this makes it look like he's spot on.
He`s right for the wrong reasons.
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That kind of thinking leads to complacency in things such as the Holocaust.
I think there is a pretty big difference between caring that some random individual may die from poisioning, versus a country systemically wiping out an entire group of people.