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Nice 425lb pull after a 330lb 12" box squat at bodyweight of a whopping 153lbs!! He's a 20 year old soccer player..
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is this supposed to be impressive?
I'm sure it's nothing compared to you..."stud".
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Just shy of a triple bodyweight pull.......dang.
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a midget cant be a good soccer player either
LA Galaxy thought different.
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Put the 425 on the barbell and see if he can do it ;)
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Honestly, that trap bar makes a crazy difference. Impressive lift still, but what can he hit on a regular dead?
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Put the 425 on the barbell and see if he can do it ;)
Pretty rare when I use a straight bar DL on my athletes. We prefer trap bar.
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Honestly, that trap bar makes a crazy difference. Impressive lift still, but what can he hit on a regular dead?
Probably high three hundreds maybe 400. This kid has some crazy ass strength.
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Nice 425lb pull after a 330lb 12" box squat at bodyweight of a whopping 153lbs!! He's a 20 year old soccer player..
How do you measure proper box squat height. I would assume it would change according to the height or leg length of the person.
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How do you measure proper box squat height. I would assume it would change according to the height or leg length of the person.
We measure to parallel or just below. This is all of 5'3 so he was a hair below parallel.
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Buy some new plates you tightwad!
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Buy some new plates you tightwad!
Hahaha, why? These work just fine. lol
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why are you trying to bulk up a soccer player? even if he was a holding mid-fielder, that fucker has to run a quarter marathon per game. no wonder usa soccer players suck ass.
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wtf?
how tall? 4'?
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why are you trying to bulk up a soccer player? even if he was a holding mid-fielder, that fucker has to run a quarter marathon per game. no wonder usa soccer players suck ass.
Who says I'm "bulking" him up? He's not training for bodybuilding.
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why are you trying to bulk up a soccer player? even if he was a holding mid-fielder, that fucker has to run a quarter marathon per game. no wonder usa soccer players suck ass.
You aren't well versed in strength training. European football clubs do similar training with athletes. You wouldn't know that though.
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Pretty rare when I use a straight bar DL on my athletes. We prefer trap bar.
coach do you think the trap bar decreases the chance of injury? esp torn biceps. the twist arm seems to rip on a lot of guys.
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Heavy lifts do not require or necessarily lead to "bulk"...it's as much about technique and explosive ability as anything else.
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Efficient use of muscle.
coach do you think the trap bar decreases the chance of injury? esp torn biceps. the twist arm seems to rip on a lot of guys.
Trap bar corrects your posture so that your lower back doesn't get destroyed from poor lifting technique. It's also a lift from higher up start which makes it easier. Never felt any biceps risk on either lift though you do hear about it on the internet.
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Pretty rare when I use a straight bar DL on my athletes. We prefer trap bar.
Why the preference for trap bar over straight bar?
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Efficient use of muscle.
Trap bar corrects your posture so that your lower back doesn't get destroyed from poor lifting technique. It's also a lift from higher up start which makes it easier. Never felt any biceps risk on either lift though you do hear about it on the internet.
I suffered a distal bicep tear...completely off the bone..in 2009. To this day I fear deadlifts. Maybe I'm just a candyass?
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why are you trying to bulk up a soccer player? even if he was a holding mid-fielder, that fucker has to run a quarter marathon per game. no wonder usa soccer players suck ass.
;D ;D ;D
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Please don't call this a deadlift. Shame on you Coach.
Even the handles are higher off the ground, not to mention the line of pull. If he pulled 4x his bodyweight like this it would be pretty good.
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Please don't call this a deadlift. Shame on you Coach.
Even the handles are higher off the ground, not to mention the line of pull. If he pulled 4x his bodyweight like this it would be pretty good.
Are you saying Coach's lifts are as exaggerated as his political claims?
/cheap shot. apologies. not really. ;D
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helps when you only have to lift the bar 3 inches
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Are you saying Coach's lifts are as exaggerated as his political claims?
/cheap shot. apologies. not really. ;D
This is an ego massage for the kid. Same with the box squats.
I'd love to see a side-view of the "below parallel" box squat.
I'd guesstimate 320lbs dead and 260lbs squat.
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Did you 'soap' the 'stud' down later after the modified 'DL' ?
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This is an ego massage for the kid. Same with the box squats.
I'd love to see a side-view of the "below parrallel" box squat.
I'd guesstimate 320lbs dead and 260lbs squat.
Got it. Not an ounce of humour or irony. Dutch: through and through. ;D
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This is an ego massage for the kid. Same with the box squats.
I'd love to see a side-view of the "below parrallel" box squat.
I'd guesstimate 320lbs dead and 260lbs squat.
His free squat will be higher.
http://www.westside-barbell.com/westside-articles/PDF.Files/05PDF/BOX%20SQUATTING%20BENEFITS.pdf
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Why is he staring at the ceiling? Don't teach a neutral neck?
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His free squat will be higher.
http://www.westside-barbell.com/westside-articles/PDF.Files/05PDF/BOX%20SQUATTING%20BENEFITS.pdf
You mean higher than his box squat? Absolutely not in this case. I'd love to prove it, but then Coach would have to film the lifts and it will never happen.
Box squatting Westside style is mostly beneficial for suit lifting which doesn't have much to do with
regular squatting.
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Pretty rare when I use a straight bar DL on my athletes. We prefer trap bar.
Do your atheletes prefer tren ace or tren enanthate?
Also, why are your athletes pussies and use trap bars?
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Lmao of what this thread has turned into. Lol Van, you're usually pretty good.bit you're waaaay off on this one.
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Lmao of what this thread has turned into. Lol Van, you're usually pretty good.bit you're waaaay off on this one.
Film some lifts for me. :D
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Being that short I'd imagine that guy has to look up to the average female. He won't recover.
I see it like this - him having any random encounter and it turns into this = hahahahahahahaahah
(http://a1.ec-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/22/4979e606c92571c318a8b005dd2704af/l.jpg)
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You mean higher than his box squat? Absolutely not in this case. I'd love to prove it, but then Coach would have to film the lifts and it will never happen.
Box squatting Westside style is mostly beneficial for suit lifting which doesn't have much to do with
regular squatting.
Never read about the suit aspect, but what I've read that there's a certain weight correlation between the box and the competition squat. The exact opposite of the trap bar lift.
Anyway, how do you know about this kid's particular squat? What are you basing it on?
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Never read about the suit aspect, but what I've read that there's a certain weight correlation between the box and the competition squat. The exact opposite of the trap bar lift.
Anyway, how do you know about this kid's particular squat? What are you basing it on?
I admit that I'm guessing here somewhat, but the guess is based seeing a lot over the years.
I'm assuming the kid box squats with a wider stance than he would do a "normal" squat. And hitting real depth on a box takes a lot of practise for most. Has this kid spent years box squatting and training his technique to hit a below parallel wide-stance box squat? Unlikely for a soccer player.
Yes, the box squat would be lower if one were doing an Olympic style squat, and deloading the quads before powering back up, but that's not how most of these kid "athletes" do it. More like bouncing back up. :D
The Westsiders mostly lift in feds where they wide stance squat to a shallower depth than in the IPF for example. The box squat isn't that popular in the IPF for a reason.
I'm guessing the squat here looks something like this. Slightly above parallel and "touch and go" technique. For someone who isn't a very experienced lifter, say a young soccer player, it boosts the loads you can use.
(http://www.diablocrossfit.com/uploads/diablo/image/diablo%20crossfit%20karlyn%20box%20squats.JPG)
Or worse, like this. Double your loads. :D
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2571/3663647083_de240bd97c.jpg)
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I admit that I'm guessing here somewhat, but the guess is based seeing a lot over the years.
I'm assuming the kid box squats with a wider stance than he would do a "normal" squat. And hitting real depth on a box takes a lot of practise for most. Has this kid spent years box squatting and training his technique to hit a below parallel wide-stance box squat? Unlikely for a soccer player.
Yes, the box squat would be lower if one were doing an Olympic style squat, and deloading the quads before powering back up, but that's not how most of these kid "athletes" do it. More like bouncing back up. :D
The Westsiders mostly lift in feds where they wide stance squat to a shallower depth than in the IPF for example. The box squat isn't that popular in the IPF for a reason.
I guess I don't understand why he would do wide stances on the box, but then modify it when he squats "normally". It sounds to me like he's hitting below parallel, and he's short, so, although I'm guessing too, I'm thinking he squats more than the 260 you guessed. Plus, I'm guessing that since he's training with Coach, he's doing the exercise correctly. Plus 12" box is pretty low.
Coach - how does his free squat compare to his 12" box squat.
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I guess I don't understand why he would do wide stances on the box, but then modify it when he squats "normally". It sounds to me like he's hitting below parallel, and he's short, so, although I'm guessing too, I'm thinking he squats more than the 260 you guessed. Plus, I'm guessing that since he's training with Coach, he's doing the exercise correctly. Plus 12" box is pretty low.
Coach - how does his free squat compare to his 12" box squat.
I don't even know if he does "normal" squats. You know how long it often takes to learn proper squatting technique before it's even smart to really start loading the exercise? Does the kid have the time, does Coach have the time to teach a kid to squat for months over months?
I mean, that's probably why Coach doesn't like regular deads. It takes so much drilling to teach someone to deadlift properly before you can really load the exercise. Trap bar, just squat the weight, try to take the back completely out of the exercise. :D
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I don't even know if he does "normal" squats. You know how long it often takes to learn proper squatting technique before it's even smart to really start loading the exercise? Does the kid have the time, does Coach have the time to teach a kid to squat for months over months?
I mean, that's probably why Coach doesn't like regular deads. It takes so much drilling to teach someone to deadlift properly before you can really load the exercise. Trap bar, just squat the weight, try to take the back completely out of the exercise. :D
I don't think it's a stretch to have learned proper squatting technique by age 20, especially if you're training with someone who teaches it for a living.
As far a the trap bar, I like it so much better that I bought one for my house. I don't compete, but I do prefer to strength train, and I think it lessens the likelyhood of a biceps tear. Plus, you can flip the thing upside down if you need the depth of a straight bar.
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Not shit Coach, best lift in a powerlifting meet was 570# deadlift at 148# in Jackson Mississippi.
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I admit that I'm guessing here somewhat, but the guess is based seeing a lot over the years.
I'm assuming the kid box squats with a wider stance than he would do a "normal" squat. And hitting real depth on a box takes a lot of practise for most. Has this kid spent years box squatting and training his technique to hit a below parallel wide-stance box squat? Unlikely for a soccer player.
Yes, the box squat would be lower if one were doing an Olympic style squat, and deloading the quads before powering back up, but that's not how most of these kid "athletes" do it. More like bouncing back up. :D
The Westsiders mostly lift in feds where they wide stance squat to a shallower depth than in the IPF for example. The box squat isn't that popular in the IPF for a reason.
I'm guessing the squat here looks something like this. Slightly above parallel and "touch and go" technique. For someone who isn't a very experienced lifter, say a young soccer player, it boosts the loads you can use.
(http://www.diablocrossfit.com/uploads/diablo/image/diablo%20crossfit%20karlyn%20box%20squats.JPG)
THAT ASS!!!
(http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa126/speedcheeser/forum%20funnies/lawd.gif)
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I admit that I'm guessing here somewhat, but the guess is based seeing a lot over the years.
I'm assuming the kid box squats with a wider stance than he would do a "normal" squat. And hitting real depth on a box takes a lot of practise for most. Has this kid spent years box squatting and training his technique to hit a below parallel wide-stance box squat? Unlikely for a soccer player.
Yes, the box squat would be lower if one were doing an Olympic style squat, and deloading the quads before powering back up, but that's not how most of these kid "athletes" do it. More like bouncing back up. :D
The Westsiders mostly lift in feds where they wide stance squat to a shallower depth than in the IPF for example. The box squat isn't that popular in the IPF for a reason.
I'm guessing the squat here looks something like this. Slightly above parallel and "touch and go" technique. For someone who isn't a very experienced lifter, say a young soccer player, it boosts the loads you can use.
(http://www.diablocrossfit.com/uploads/diablo/image/diablo%20crossfit%20karlyn%20box%20squats.JPG)
Or worse, like this. Double your loads. :D
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2571/3663647083_de240bd97c.jpg)
You're assuming that we're doing a traditional 'westside" box squat. They don't (I do) when I refer to box squat for my athletes it is "touch and go" and in this case it was a legit 12" box, this insures that squat depth is met. We do take a little wider stance than normal to again, insure that posterior chain is being recruited. It's not much different than a "free" squat. Now, we do follow a westside TEMPLATE that's suited to our standards. ME Lower, ME upper, day off (soft tissue work, etc) speed lower, speed upper. Program varies as a season progresses.
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You mean higher than his box squat? Absolutely not in this case. I'd love to prove it, but then Coach would have to film the lifts and it will never happen.
Box squatting Westside style is mostly beneficial for suit lifting which doesn't have much to do with
regular squatting.
Lot's of NFL teams as well as college are following a westside template.
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I don't even know if he does "normal" squats. You know how long it often takes to learn proper squatting technique before it's even smart to really start loading the exercise? Does the kid have the time, does Coach have the time to teach a kid to squat for months over months?
I mean, that's probably why Coach doesn't like regular deads. It takes so much drilling to teach someone to deadlift properly before you can really load the exercise. Trap bar, just squat the weight, try to take the back completely out of the exercise. :D
We assess everyone for squat using overhead squats with a PVC pipe. We check hips (depth), thoracic mobility, external rotation (shoulders), dorsi-flexion, vulgas/vulgam, foot pronation. If they can't do that or score low, of course it takes time. Not everyone can squat, not everyone is built to squat.....so they don't squat (with a spinal load) they will however goblet squat. It's a great way to correct a poor squat.
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Why the preference for trap bar over straight bar?
We use trap on heavy days. Safer, less lumbar tension (less flexion). We use a straight bar on speed days using sub-maximal loads. They're not powerlifters so there are variations.
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Why is he staring at the ceiling? Don't teach a neutral neck?
Yeah, we actually teach to keep eyes neutral....obviously he didn't listen. LOL
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Trap bar deads in family/commercial type gym cause eyes to pop. It is true there isn't much risk. Heavy and fun. You can either lift it, most of the time easily, or miss. You really can cause a bunch of potential injuries with a barbell.
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Good lift considering it was 1840
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Nice 425lb pull after a 330lb 12" box squat at bodyweight of a whopping 153lbs!! He's a 20 year old soccer player..
fucker could probably tie his shoelaces standing up.
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Always use the trap bar for deads. Much more natural positioning.
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Always use the trap bar for deads. Much more natural positioning.
Mentzer would not agree >:(
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Mentzer would not agree >:(
Haha. I have very short arms, I can't use an olympic bar whilst keeping the correct posture through my back. The trap bar seems to suit my long legs, short torso, short arms very well.
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fucker could probably tie his shoelaces standing up.
He'd make a good burglar; his arse is where his footprints are.
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Coach, you are aware that the nefarious Crossfit has infiltrated Westside, correct?
Very solid lifts for a man that small in stature.
In college, I was hitting 400 on the trap bar (non elevated handles--it was a custom Jim Sutherland model--he invented the hydraulic squat stands) at a bw of 175. Decent weight for a tennis player.
Is this kid on house arrest? Why the ankle bracelet?
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I suffered a distal bicep tear...completely off the bone..in 2009. To this day I fear deadlifts. Maybe I'm just a candyass?
or smart. ;D
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Coach, you are aware that the nefarious Crossfit has infiltrated Westside, correct?
Very solid lifts for a man that small in stature.
In college, I was hitting 400 on the trap bar (non elevated handles--it was a custom Jim Sutherland model--he invented the hydraulic squat stands) at a bw of 175. Decent weight for a tennis player.
Is this kid on house arrest? Why the ankle bracelet?
I know they like crossfit but not sure what form of "crossfit" they like. I'm not even sure crossfit knows what they are. I just know in general I don't agree with it whether westside endorses it or not. As far as the ankle bracelet, I'll keep that to myself. He's a kid and is learning a lesson.
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Is this kid on house arrest? Why the ankle bracelet?
He'd make a good burglar; his arse is where his footprints are.
way to publicize his crime, coach
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Film some lifts for me. :D
From today....
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From today....
lol @ the spotter. rack it, rack it, rack it NOW!!!
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meh...
425lb deadlift would be impressive
if it was a chick
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Only in weight training this shit flys. Imagine someone saying "I'm super smart for a retard".
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From today....
Thanks. I still say about 260, maybe 280, if breaking parallel. One inch lower than that and he would lose at least 50lbs, and that is a few inches above parallel.
I'm just too good... just a pic and I can tell what someone squats. ;D Now film a circa max deadlift.
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Q: why would you have a speed/endurance athlete complete single rep max lifts?
A: because you don't have a clue
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I found I can lift 100lbs over my deadlift with a trap bar. First the handles are higher than a barbell. The position also gives you a better pulling position.
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I admit that I'm guessing here somewhat, but the guess is based seeing a lot over the years.
I'm assuming the kid box squats with a wider stance than he would do a "normal" squat. And hitting real depth on a box takes a lot of practise for most. Has this kid spent years box squatting and training his technique to hit a below parallel wide-stance box squat? Unlikely for a soccer player.
Yes, the box squat would be lower if one were doing an Olympic style squat, and deloading the quads before powering back up, but that's not how most of these kid "athletes" do it. More like bouncing back up. :D
The Westsiders mostly lift in feds where they wide stance squat to a shallower depth than in the IPF for example. The box squat isn't that popular in the IPF for a reason.
I'm guessing the squat here looks something like this. Slightly above parallel and "touch and go" technique. For someone who isn't a very experienced lifter, say a young soccer player, it boosts the loads you can use.
(http://www.diablocrossfit.com/uploads/diablo/image/diablo%20crossfit%20karlyn%20box%20squats.JPG)
Or worse, like this. Double your loads. :D
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2571/3663647083_de240bd97c.jpg)
how do you deload your quads?
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I don't even know if he does "normal" squats. You know how long it often takes to learn proper squatting technique before it's even smart to really start loading the exercise? Does the kid have the time, does Coach have the time to teach a kid to squat for months over months?
I mean, that's probably why Coach doesn't like regular deads. It takes so much drilling to teach someone to deadlift properly before you can really load the exercise. Trap bar, just squat the weight, try to take the back completely out of the exercise. :D
Van, I think that the trap bar is beneficial. Also, I think you need to be "ass down" on any form of deadlift. If you are bending over too much, the straight bar will "float" away from your shins too far, and you either lose the lift, or put yourself in a bad position.
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Now this is just my opinion, but it looks like your athlete did not "touch and go" on the box.
It looks like he had a fairly hard impact with the box (shearing force, compression of vertebrae, etc.) and then wobbily came out of the lift.
What happened to the old days of Frenn picking his feet up while on the box to "explode" off? I am not a fan of that either, but why the change?
I am a fan of straight weight. Own a certain weight by mastering the mechanics of the lift, utilizing the same form you had with the PVC, then the barbell, then 135, then whatever.
If form changes, you did something wrong. It may be boring, but guess what? You are never kidding yourself or the trainee.
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I didn't even see the box in the vid earlier when I looked at it on my phone. :D
I'm not the professional trainer/coach so I'm not going to criticize too much but I got to say
I wonder about the purpose behind this type of training (for a soccer player).
how do you deload your quads?
Basically you just relax the quads when sitting on the box. Probably explained in the link posted earlier in this thread. Some even lifted the feet up a bit as they sat on the box and then stomped down again, as Silverspoon mentioned. I'm sure some still do but probably not as popular as it used to be.
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Also, I think you need to be "ass down" on any form of deadlift. If you are bending over too much, the straight bar will "float" away from your shins too far, and you either lose the lift, or put yourself in a bad position.
See, I think just the opposite. I think many, many recreational trainers have weak-ass lower backs and that's why they get lower back problems/tweaks from squatting, bent over rows, light deadlifts, anything at all. It's from not doing any real lower back work. Some trainees at the gym always complain that they can't squat or do some other exercise because their lower back is injured, and my humble suggestion is always regular deadlifts and good mornings, but they always look at me like I'm crazy. :D Their instinct always seems to be avoid any further lower back stress. I believe in regular deadlifts, good mornings and so on for lower back. It's a real weak link that doesn't have to be, and though I'm no athletic coach I would think having a strong lower back would help athletes in their sport, in preventing lower back injuries.
Doing heavy trap-bar SQUATS is dangerous for the lower back for these kids because they don't have a strong lower back... get a little out of line and they will for sure tweak their weak-ass lower backs. Just what they are trying to avoid doing this "safe" exercise.
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Q: why would you have a speed/endurance athlete complete single rep max lifts?
A: because you don't have a clue
Interesting, so you think I just throw programs together without know why? This isn't bodybuilding Jr.
Why would I have a speed athlete complete 1RM's? Because as I've said a million times, speed starts in the weight room, not on a field, speed technique is on the field. You can't get more explosive or faster by just running. In order to develop speed you have to develop power, harder you can apply POWER to the ground by driving that foot under your hip, the faster you'll go. Not only that it takes a lot of power not only to explode in a lineal run, it's takes even more to change direction when in a stride. If athletes are weak in just one area, start looking for on field, non-collision injuries to happen. There ya go, in a nut shell. Anymore questions smartass?
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See, I think just the opposite. I think many, many recreational trainers have weak-ass lower backs and that's why they get lower back problems/tweaks from squatting, bent over rows, light deadlifts, anything at all. It's from not doing any real lower back work. Some trainees at the gym always complain that they can't squat or do some other exercise because their lower back is injured, and my humble suggestion is always regular deadlifts and good mornings, but they always look at me like I'm crazy. :D Their instinct always seems to be avoid any further lower back stress. I believe in regular deadlifts, good mornings and so on for lower back. It's a real weak link that doesn't have to be, and though I'm no athletic coach I would think having a strong lower back would help athletes in their sport, in preventing lower back injuries.
Doing heavy trap-bar SQUATS is dangerous for the lower back for these kids because they don't have a strong lower back... get a little out of line and they will for sure tweak their weak-ass lower backs. Just what they are trying to avoid doing this "safe" exercise.
what have you heard about olympic lifters and knee injuries? seems like the bouncing off the bottom of the movement can't be good on your knees long term.
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See, I think just the opposite. I think many, many recreational trainers have weak-ass lower backs and that's why they get lower back problems/tweaks from squatting, bent over rows, light deadlifts, anything at all. It's from not doing any real lower back work. Some trainees at the gym always complain that they can't squat or do some other exercise because their lower back is injured, and my humble suggestion is always regular deadlifts and good mornings, but they always look at me like I'm crazy. :D Their instinct always seems to be avoid any further lower back stress. I believe in regular deadlifts, good mornings and so on for lower back. It's a real weak link that doesn't have to be, and though I'm no athletic coach I would think having a strong lower back would help athletes in their sport, in preventing lower back injuries.
Doing heavy trap-bar SQUATS is dangerous for the lower back for these kids because they don't have a strong lower back... get a little out of line and they will for sure tweak their weak-ass lower backs. Just what they are trying to avoid doing this "safe" exercise.
We've never had an injury. Things to remember, if your posterior chain is strong in all areas then you should be confident in the lift. Posterior chain is one of the main priorities in my programming. Also, (and I'm sure you'll argue this point) as I've said before, Trap bar DL is knee dominant while straight bar is more hip dominant.
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what have you heard about olympic lifters and knee injuries? seems like the bouncing off the bottom of the movement can't be good on your knees long term.
I seem to remember that their knee injury rates aren't that alarming, but can't say for sure. Just remember some trainers saying their knees aren't that bad off, all things considering, especially compared to other athletes.
Maybe The Coach knows.
Also, (and I'm sure you'll argue this point) as I've said before, Trap bar DL is knee dominant while straight bar is more hip dominant.
No I'm sure you're right.
What do you do specifically for lower back?
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Are you saying Coach's lifts are as exaggerated as his political claims?
/cheap shot. apologies. not really. ;D
My dear chimp, there is a substantial difference between claims that are literally incoherent and those that are exaggerated.
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Hahaha@ syntax trying to act all smart n shit. Lol
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Interesting, so you think I just throw programs together without know why? This isn't bodybuilding Jr.
Why would I have a speed athlete complete 1RM's? Because as I've said a million times, speed starts in the weight room, not on a field, speed technique is on the field. You can't get more explosive or faster by just running. In order to develop speed you have to develop power, harder you can apply POWER to the ground by driving that foot under your hip, the faster you'll go. Not only that it takes a lot of power not only to explode in a lineal run, it's takes even more to change direction when in a stride. If athletes are weak in just one area, start looking for on field, non-collision injuries to happen. There ya go, in a nut shell. Anymore questions smartass?
you're a fool
plyometrics and proper track training would go a lot farther
additionally some crossfit style or olympic powerlifting movements can add value...
please name a professional soccer player who does 1RM squats
please insist that your 'athletes' get a second opinion and read some basic training protocols
http://www.menshealth.com/worldcup/oguchi-onyewu.php (http://www.menshealth.com/worldcup/oguchi-onyewu.php)
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you're a fool
plyometrics and proper track training would go a lot farther
additionally some crossfit style or olympic powerlifting movements can add value...
please name a professional soccer player who does 1RM squats
please insist that your 'athletes' get a second opinion and read some basic
http://www.menshealth.com/worldcup/oguchi-onyewu.php (http://www.menshealth.com/worldcup/oguchi-onyewu.php)
Haha, holy shit. Haha. Like we don't do plyos. Ok, so you're one of those who just think track work and plyos is all you need. Lol. Btw, don't cite men's fitness as a reference. You need to keep up with the times, son.
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Haha, holy shit. Haha. Like we don't do plyos. Ok, so you're one of those who just think track work and plyos is all you need. Lol. Btw, don't site men's fitness as a reference.
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wrong homophone there champ
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wrong homophone there champ
Look again genius, I caught it and corrected it
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Look again genius, I caught it and corrected it
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additionally some crossfit style or olympic powerlifting movements can add value...
I don't know where to start...
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I found I can lift 100lbs over my deadlift with a trap bar. First the handles are higher than a barbell. The position also gives you a better pulling position.
That seems about right, most lifters I've watched get #75 - 100.
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what have you heard about olympic lifters and knee injuries? seems like the bouncing off the bottom of the movement can't be good on your knees long term.
Mostly tendinitis -
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1322916/ .
That study also links off to others, osteoarthritis is a big one for heavier classes later in life, but it pretty common in all active sports.
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I don't know where to start...
:D .
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id be impressed if it was barbell.
either way for your body,although its trap bar,still i nice pull.
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From today....
I believe that kid hit the bench too hard.
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I seem to remember that their knee injury rates aren't that alarming, but can't say for sure. Just remember some trainers saying their knees aren't that bad off, all things considering, especially compared to other athletes.
Maybe The Coach knows.
No I'm sure you're right.
What do you do specifically for lower back?
We do a variety of moves. GHR, reverse hyper, RDL, 1RDL, keg carries, Kettle Bell swings (as well as other KB exercises), jump band good mornings, etc.
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I believe that kid hit the bench too hard.
He actually barely hit it..
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you're a fool
plyometrics and proper track training would go a lot farther
additionally some crossfit style or olympic powerlifting movements can add value...
please name a professional soccer player who does 1RM squats
please insist that your 'athletes' get a second opinion and read some basic training protocols
http://www.menshealth.com/worldcup/oguchi-onyewu.php (http://www.menshealth.com/worldcup/oguchi-onyewu.php)
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I would say he hit it slightly harder than I would have liked to see.
Not criticising your work or technique etc just very easy to hurt yourself doing box squats with one moment of carelessness.
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I would say he hit it slightly harder than I would have liked to see.
Not criticising your work or technique etc just very easy to hurt yourself doing box squats with one moment of carelessness.
I completely understand and agree.
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We do a variety of moves. GHR, reverse hyper, RDL, 1RDL, keg carries, Kettle Bell swings (as well as other KB exercises), jump band good mornings, etc.
can I recommend the high windmill if you don't already do it:
I found this exercise after you very helpfully diagnosed me with QL strain. Back has been bulletproof ever since.
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excellent
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I have tried pressing KB's
Repping 48's and 52's is easy but 56 is heaviest I have done.
If you are strong you will be good at them but technique (which i greatly lack) is where I fall down. I have done them maybe 6 times in my life for a few sets.
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Please don't call this a deadlift. Shame on you Coach.
Even the handles are higher off the ground, not to mention the line of pull. If he pulled 4x his bodyweight like this it would be pretty good.
THIS
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Please don't call this a deadlift. Shame on you Coach.
Even the handles are higher off the ground, not to mention the line of pull. If he pulled 4x his bodyweight like this it would be pretty good.
Very rarely will you see a straight bar DL in a college setting. There's a reason for that.
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i bet half of the jagoffs on this board couldn't pull that without straps...
still a midget lift though
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Such garbage, fuckin modified compact deadlift.
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Such garbage, fuckin modified compact deadlift.
video of you pulling 425 unassisted on a straight bar or it didn't happen
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Very rarely will you see a straight bar DL in a college setting. There's a reason for that.
Maybe watch some of cresseys videos on how to Trap bar correctly. YOUR athletes will get faster doing them properly and not turning them into a sumo squat
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Coach, explain the reason you do not see straight bar deads in the USA please?
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Maybe watch some of cresseys videos on how to Trap bar correctly. YOUR athletes will get faster doing them properly and not turning them into a sumo squat
I like Eric, but I'm not a big fan of internet gurus. Cressy got a degree and immediatly became on online persona. His methods are that much different than mine.
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Coach, explain the reason you do not see straight bar deads in the USA please?
? See them all the time. Trap bar is a piece of specialty equipment that hasn't saturated gyms yet.
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We have one in our gym but every gym I have trained at people train deads. That includes my university gyms.
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We have one in our gym but every gym I have trained at people train deads. That includes my university gyms.
I don't get what the problem is with the hex bar. If somebody starts and can only lift 200lbs, then work up to 400lbs, they're stronger, and athletic performance can increase.
You can always go back to deadlifting with a straight bar, if you want.
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video of you pulling 425 unassisted on a straight bar or it didn't happen
I wouldn't be surprised if jaejonna could pull 425 with a little bit of work or even now. From what I remember of his pics he had pretty solid back and torso thickness.
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I wouldn't be surprised if jaejonna could suck a golf ball through a garden hose. From what I remember of his pics he had pretty beefy cheeks and good jaw thickness.
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I don't get what the problem is with the hex bar. If somebody starts and can only lift 200lbs, then work up to 400lbs, they're stronger, and athletic performance can increase.
You can always go back to deadlifting with a straight bar, if you want.
I do not have a problem with it at all. I am wondering why normal deadlifts, according to Coach are rare in USA.
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I do not have a problem with it at all. I am wondering why normal deadlifts, according to Coach are rare in USA.
Did mean "you" as in you Ursus, sorry for the confusion.
I guess the way I look at it is, if normal deadlifts are rare, the hex is even more rare.
I guess it depends on the gym. I was at a gym where the owners were strength, performance and injury recovery specialist, so it wasn't unusal to see any women training deadlifts, no matter what the age.
At Equinox, the trainers pushed them, but most people on their own seemed to ignore them. I'd guess it's because they have a reputation for being dangerous, or they're just lazy.
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I do not have a problem with it at all. I am wondering why normal deadlifts, according to Coach are rare in USA.
I think you misunderstood. I meant straight bar dead are rarely used in college or even pro strength programs.
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See I don't understand that as the DL is the core of power and strength training in my mind.
I also agree hex bar is very rare
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See I don't understand that as the DL is the core of power and strength training in my mind.
I also agree hex bar is very rare
Not disagreeing but using a hex with high level athletes cuts the risk of injury waaay down. To many injury risks associated with straight bar which is why it isn't used much with athletes. O-lifts are the primary power movements for athletes, why? Because O-lifts will get you one hell of a lot more explosive than power lifting movements.
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For sports like soccer, getting better at soccer will make you a better player but IMO strength means very little indeed in this sport. However if I had teh choice to be an average player with average strength or an average player with good strength you can bet what I would take.
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I wouldn't be surprised if jaejonna could pull 425 with a little bit of work or even now. From what I remember of his pics he had pretty solid back and torso thickness.
425 once ? Cmon ...i dont even deadlift every week, but I can def pull that up one time without straps ..hahahahha
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i bet half of the jagoffs on this board couldn't pull that without straps...
Nor can they play soccer as well...or even manage to stay within 10 feet from this guy during a 90 min game.
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425 once ? Cmon ...i dont even deadlift every week, but I can def pull that up one time without straps ..hahahahha
video of you pulling 425 unassisted on a straight bar or it didn't happen
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video of you pulling 425 unassisted on a straight bar or it didn't happen
what do i get in return from you 'stud' ? :-*
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Nor can they play soccer as well...or even manage to stay within 10 feet from this guy during a 90 min game.
True, this kids conditioning is off the hook.
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425 once ? Cmon ...i dont even deadlift every week, but I can def pull that up one time without straps ..hahahahha
LOL @ bragging about pulling 425 and throwing in the "without straps" line at the end. ;D
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For sports like soccer, getting better at soccer will make you a better player but IMO strength means very little indeed in this sport. However if I had teh choice to be an average player with average strength or an average player with good strength you can bet what I would take.
It's not technique vs speed vs endurance. If there's any area you can improve on you should work on it. It will make you a better player. There shouldn't even be any discussion about it.
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what do i get in return from you 'stud' ? :-*
slightly less abuse
LOL @ bragging about pulling 425 and throwing in the "without straps" line at the end. ;D
doubt this queer has touched a weight in years... unless you count his mom's little pink dumbbells
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It's not technique vs speed vs endurance. If there's any area you can improve on you should work on it. It will make you a better player. There shouldn't even be any discussion about it.
Exactly what I said however for soccer skill will beat speed and strength 9 time out of 10
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Exactly what I said however for soccer skill will beat speed and strength 9 time out of 10
fine, but you're not making a point... skill + speed&strength is better than skill alone
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Exactly what I said however for soccer skill will beat speed and strength 9 time out of 10
I think you maybe missing the point. Part of skill is speed, strength is just as important as skill for the reduction of injury. What good is skill if you're injured?
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I think you maybe missing the point. Part of skill is speed, strength is just as important as skill for the reduction of injury. What good is skill if you're injured?
If you were concerned with injury prevention you wouldn't
do those box squats.
Not doing barbell deads for fear of injury is complete BS.
Why not switch regular squats to hip-belt squats... I mean you don't
want to hurt that fragile lower back. I see way more lower back tweaks from squats than I ever did from deads.