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Is it the new Douchebag trend to not touch the chest in Bench Press?
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I personally believe people who don`t touch the chest do so because they would be forced to lower the weight perhaps.
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ROFLMAO
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What is the perfect "zone" in which to not touch ones chest? How do we "blast" this area to force our pecs into shocking new growth?
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I personally believe people who don`t touch the chest do so because they would be forced to lower the weight perhaps.
Not necesseraly. Sometimes staying 2-3 inches away from the chest helps big time keeping constant tension on the chest.
Of course it depends on your proportions, arm to torso length etc., but for a lotta guys going all the way down to your chest means shoulders and lats are taking over and you lose the tension from your chest.
Give it a try. On the smith machine I always stop a few inches short of the chest, feel working my pecs a 100 times better than going all the way down.
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well when you get a chest let us know how its done
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Not necesseraly. Sometimes staying 2-3 inches away from the chest helps big time keeping constant tension on the chest.
Of course it depends on your proportions, arm to torso length etc., but for a lotta guys going all the way down to your chest means shoulders and lats are taking over and you lose the tension from your chest.
Give it a try. On the smith machine I always stop a few inches short of the chest, feel working my pecs a 100 times better than going all the way down.
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Bottom 1/3 of bench press = mainly chest with some triceps
Middle 1/3 a bit of everything but mainly shoulders and chest
Top 1/3 mainly triceps and some shoulders
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impressive argumentation skills
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if you aren't on the end of a lucrative athletic contract, then why touch the chest? i think we went over possible pec tears with bob chick, who doesn't even do flat bench anymore. i have great chest developed, and havent let the bar over-extend my pecs in years.
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Honestly, this is why I love the deadlift so much, you can either pick it up or you cant, forget these half ego reps, deadlift = true test of a persons strength, that or the clean and press.
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Bodybuilders get pec tears because on gear their muscles get too strong for their tendons which do not develop strength so quickly.
It is not dangerous to bench to the chest at all
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if you aren't on the end of a lucrative athletic contract, then why touch the chest? i think we went over possible pec tears with bob chick, who doesn't even do flat bench anymore. i have great chest developed, and havent let the bar over-extend my pecs in years.
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A couple of posts up someone claimed it creates constant tension on the chest. Now you are telling us it prevents Pec Tears because its easier and takes the tension off the chest? ???
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Some people need to distinguish between the bar almost touching the chest and the bar bouncing off the chest - for most people the former is training and the latter is faux machismo
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Some people need to distinguish between the bar almost touching the chest and the bar bouncing off the chest - for most people the former is training and the latter is faux machismo
Sure, good point but if you re doing a full ROM on every other exercise why would nt you do a full ROM on a bench press?
I believe most people think the more you bench the stronger you are, thats why you ll often hear the question "How much do you bench?"
they will add more weight and decrease ROM to look strong NOT because they think it works their pectorals better.
I like to ask people "What do you deadlift?" usually its followed by a "oh, I have a lower back problem"
I have nothing against the Bench press, in fact its the only chest exercise I do.
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ROFLMAO
Epic using 35lb plates to make yourself look more impressive. Now, to the topic of discussion, if it doesn't touch your chest it doesn't count. I always touch my chest with the barbell. Control the weight and avoid injury.
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when I was after increases in both size and strength in the bench pres i did the following. 1st i learned to never use a spotter, you never really know if he is doing some of the work for you, and if so how much in each and every set. So i decided the only way was to use the power rack. using one of these you can safely perform your workout with out the need from an unreliable spotter. (some guys use spotters just to get attention from others in the gym)
Set the pins or bars preferably so that when the bar is lowered it actually compresses your chest just a little. Next after you have fully and slowly stretched and drawn blood into your muscles( i found that seated cable rows or bent over bbell rows works well) get under the bar lower it to the bar pins and stop. completely relax your muscles and your posture, then reset your posture grip the bar with all our might and ram the weight up with out hyper extending your elbows and slowly lower to the start position. Notice i said start position, which is in the bottom phase at your chest. doing so will force your true strength to move the weight with no momentum or kinetic energy. do every rep in this fashion, you will find that at first that you will have to use less weight than b4. however do this only once a week and you will see serious natural gains like never b4.
i was in a sticky point stuck at bench max of 380. i did this routine for a little over 12 weeks and was able to do a 1rm of 445 naturally.
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This half-rep nonsense and constant tension nonsense really only started to happen within the last few years. Back in the 50s, 60s and 70s, they mainly used a full ROM on everything. Now guys like Cutler, Jason Huh, do quarter reps because they are lazy. You can get away with being lazy when youre pumping that many drugs in your body. Guys back then used legs drugs, trained harder, full ROM, and looked more impressive.
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when I was after increases in both size and strength in the bench pres i did the following. 1st i learned to never use a spotter, you never really know if he is doing some of the work for you, and if so how much in each and every set. So i decided the only way was to use the power rack. using one of these you can safely perform your workout with out the need from an unreliable spotter. (some guys use spotters just to get attention from others in the gym)
Set the pins or bars preferably so that when the bar is lowered it actually compresses your chest just a little. Next after you have fully and slowly stretched and drawn blood into your muscles( i found that seated cable rows or bent over bbell rows works well) get under the bar lower it to the bar pins and stop. completely relax your muscles and your posture, then reset your posture grip the bar with all our might and ram the weight up with out hyper extending your elbows and slowly lower to the start position. Notice i said start position, which is in the bottom phase at your chest. doing so will force your true strength to move the weight with no momentum or kinetic energy. do every rep in this fashion, you will find that at first that you will have to use less weight than b4. however do this only once a week and you will see serious natural gains like never b4.
i was in a sticky point stuck at bench max of 380. i did this routine for a little over 12 weeks and was able to do a 1rm of 445 naturally.
I may have to try this. Also, what do you mean by avoid hyper extending your elbows? My arms are extremely long and I find that I simply cannot keep elbows in no matter what. If I do keep them in, my bench is much, much weaker and the entire movement I feel in my forearms and pretty much nowhere else.
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What is the perfect "zone" in which to not touch ones chest? How do we "blast" this area to force our pecs into shocking new growth?
x2 these are the secrets of the pros
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you don't touch your chest to floor for a push up do you?
keep the bar 2-3" inches from touching the chest and an inch or 2 from locking out.
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This half-rep nonsense and constant tension nonsense really only started to happen within the last few years. Back in the 50s, 60s and 70s, they mainly used a full ROM on everything. Now guys like Cutler, Jason Huh, do quarter reps because they are lazy. You can get away with being lazy when youre pumping that many drugs in your body. Guys back then used legs drugs, trained harder, full ROM, and looked more impressive.
Yah, thats my feeling to. Watch that video with Genova. That kid is a mess and is nothing but all drugs.
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you don't touch your chest to floor for a push up do you?
keep the bar 2-3" inches from touching the chest and an inch or 2 from locking out.
I do.
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What in the world is this Roider doing and why do a large number of Roiders train like this? ???
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I had a complete tendon rupture and pec tear fom the bench press, trust me it's not worth it.
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Was that a row or a bicep exercise? ???
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This fucking guy is a complete bag of tools and I am not referring to Jason.
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What in the world is this Roider doing and why do a large number of Roiders train like this? ???
It's called cheating, to use heavier weights. Look what your heroes in the "golden era" did.
(http://undergroundstrengthmanual.com/images/arnold.jpg)
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I had a complete tendon rupture and pec tear fom the bench press, trust me it's not worth it.
You do it to use heavier weights than you could otherwise use with good form. Which is fine, whatever floats your boat. But don't try to pretend like it has anything to do with "injury prevention" and "training smart" ::)
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This fucking guy is a complete bag of tools and I am not referring to Jason.
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ROFLAMO@ 14:05 Perfect Curl with 100 lbs.
Roider Boy has to "cheat" 100 lbs up for a curl? ??? Thats pathetic.
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You do it to use heavier weights than you could otherwise use with good form. Which is fine, whatever floats your boat. But don't try to pretend like it has anything to do with "injury prevention" and "training smart" ::)
Exactly.
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It's called cheating, to use heavier weights. Look what your heroes in the "golden era" did.
(http://undergroundstrengthmanual.com/images/arnold.jpg)
Arnold trained like that for specific exercises. Cheating is okay when done "properly." Other than that, Arnold tended to use good form and a full ROM for exercises.
This NPC guy seems to ALWAYS use bad form. That was not even a cheat curl. That was a mixture between a dumbbell row and a hammer curl.
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I may have to try this. Also, what do you mean by avoid hyper extending your elbows? My arms are extremely long and I find that I simply cannot keep elbows in no matter what. If I do keep them in, my bench is much, much weaker and the entire movement I feel in my forearms and pretty much nowhere else.
i have really long arms as well, so you know how much harder we have to work to make gains. this method really worked for me. by hyper extended the elbow what i mean is just be sure not to snap them at the top. come up strong and fast just be careful at the top.
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You do it to use heavier weights than you could otherwise use with good form. Which is fine, whatever floats your boat. But don't try to pretend like it has anything to do with "injury prevention" and "training smart" ::)
I actually have to use less weight dipshit......the douchebags in the videos are extremely poor examples and are doing so to use more weight. When you only use the middle range of motion the tension is continuous and you fatigue much faster. I normally don't use much more than 225-275lbs and I weigh 240. I actually injured myself using good form, slow controlled negative with a slight pause on the chest.
Everyone's anatomy is slightly different, some have zero issues some have muscle tears and shoulder problems, I found a way to bench that is better for me.
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I actually have to use less weight dipshit......the douchebags in the videos are extremely poor examples and are doing so to use more weight. When you only use the middle range of motion the tension is continuous and you fatigue much faster. I normally don't use much more than 225-275lbs and I weigh 240. I actually injured myself using good form, slow controlled negative with a slight pause on the chest.
Everyone's anatomy is slightly different, some have zero issues some have muscle tears and shoulder problems, I found a way to bench that is better for me.
So you use crap form and light weights ??? Maybe you are doing something incorrectly.
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nope im fine but thanks for all your concern :-*
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nope im fine but thanks for all your concern :-*
Why did you leave American Idol? :'( :'(
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Why did you leave American Idol? :'( :'(
cause Paula left......
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Flat chest simon having a dp train run on him in this thread.
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I bet if every one of you guys used the power rack in the manner i described every one of you will improve in both size and strength more than you could ever imagine. irregardless of what your method is currently drop it and try this.
however do this only once per week and no other chest exercise push ups or any thing but stretching those muscle per week, or risk overload. it really works that well, think about it. By starting at the bottom position in the manner i described it recruits all of your muscle fibers to do their job. but in doing so it taxes the hell out of them so that you really need a full week to recover. Chest and back same day do your back first to warm and stretch the chest and shoulders etc.
Try this log your efforts into a journal and be amazed. i have nothing to sell here, just giving my personal experience of doing so as well as watching it work for others i have shown.
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Which cheating method is worse, a bounce off the chest or stopping a inch or two before hitting the chest?
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Both are bad, unless you are just warming up with light weights. Stopping completely on the chest and pausing for at least a second before pressing to the top is the only way.
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For me chest has always been the easiest body part to train and get results. Flat benches, db inclines&flys and sometimes floor presses and some machine work. All movements with good control and rom.
I think good control and proper warm up on bench is essential if you want to keep your shoulders intact over the years.
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I also use something called a "shoulder saver" from elitefts.com it's basically a foam pad that fits around the bar that simulates a board press. continue to run your train ::)
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I also use something called a "shoulder saver" from elitefts.com it's basically a foam pad that fits around the bar that simulates a board press. continue to run your train ::)
simon = outed
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I always touch my chest and even pause on my chest for the last rep or two
that's just my personal preference
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xa1fm8_chris-cormier-405lb-bench-press-for_sport#.UN9HVm_7KSo
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These are the types that believe that they shouldn't drop their elbows below parallel. We have trainers are our other location that by into that same BS.
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well if you are using heavy weight on Benches or shoulder press i think itīs ok not to go all the way down..not half reps but lower till the arm is at a right angle. The benefits of going lower are minimal but CAN stress your shoulders. I go down to a right angle and also on shoulder barbell presses... If you have shoulder issues itīs safer. So itīs not for me to cheat or even use more weight but to save my joints.. ;)
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well if you are using heavy weight on Benches or shoulder press i think itīs ok not to go all the way down..not half reps but lower till the arm is at a right angle. The benefits of going lower are minimal but CAN stress your shoulders. I go down to a right angle and also on shoulder barbell presses... If you have shoulder issues itīs safer. So itīs not for me to cheat or even use more weight but to save my joints.. ;)
Explain how going lower "stresses your shoulders".
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Explain how going lower "stresses your shoulders".
Yes, I look forward to his answer.
Considering in the Arnold days people lowered the bar all the way to the chest.
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read this
http://www.boxingscene.com/exercise/39380.php
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Yes, I look forward to his answer.
Considering in the Arnold days people lowered the bar all the way to the chest.
was a while ago and ideas change. However do what you think is right. I am 46 and will look after my joints. we canīt always live in "Arnolds" time. Do you think going below parallel in Dips is healthy? i feel it in my shoulders.
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read this
http://www.boxingscene.com/exercise/39380.php
"Bench Press - This is a popular exercise chosen to build the chest, along with the anterior deltoid and triceps. Most teach taking the bar down until it lightly touches the chest. However, I believe this is unsafe because it exposes the anterior shoulder capsule to excessive load, in addition to compressing the soft tissue of the rotator cuff between the humerus and the acromion. Over time, with repeated bouts and heavy loads, the rotator cuff becomes inflamed."
What a bunch of bullshit. So stopping with your "elbows at a right angle" prevents all of that? How is that exactly? I could throw up a website too with a list of shoulder anatomy and say "I believe doing X inflames these things" but that doesn't make it true.
Here is why bench press "wrecks your joints": it's an ego lift and most guys try to use way too much weight. Rather than using less weight with correct form, they use more weight with shit form and come up with hair-brained excuses like the one seen above to justify it as "injury prevention" because when they did it the other way their shoulders hurt.
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Epic using 35lb plates to make yourself look more impressive. Now, to the topic of discussion, if it doesn't touch your chest it doesn't count. I always touch my chest with the barbell. Control the weight and avoid injury.
Those were 25lb plates, not 35.
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"Bench Press - This is a popular exercise chosen to build the chest, along with the anterior deltoid and triceps. Most teach taking the bar down until it lightly touches the chest. However, I believe this is unsafe because it exposes the anterior shoulder capsule to excessive load, in addition to compressing the soft tissue of the rotator cuff between the humerus and the acromion. Over time, with repeated bouts and heavy loads, the rotator cuff becomes inflamed."
What a bunch of bullshit. So stopping with your "elbows at a right angle" prevents all of that? How is that exactly? I could throw up a website too with a list of shoulder anatomy and say "I believe doing X inflames these things" but that doesn't make it true.
Here is why bench press "wrecks your joints": it's an ego lift and most guys try to use way too much weight. Rather than using less weight with correct form, they use more weight with shit form and come up with hair-brained excuses like the one seen above to justify it as "injury prevention" because when they did it the other way their shoulders hurt.
yes.. you wrote yourself "correct form" what i am trying to tell you. contradict yourself..still there will always be guys like you who have the mentality.."well yeah but Arnold did it" ::) train how you feel mate but if you know better. I put the link up to save me time and typing as it is well explained.
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yes.. you wrote yourself "correct form" what i am trying to tell you. contradict yourself..still there will always be guys like you who have the mentality.."well yeah but Arnold did it" ::) train how you feel mate but if you know better. I put the link up to save me time and typing as it is well explained.
I don't give a fuck what Arnold did, someone else posted that. Answer the question: how does stopping with the bar a few inches above your chest avoid "inflaming" the rotator cuff? If you can't (which certainly seems to be the case), then stop posting a bunch of misleading broscience nonsense as if you know what you're talking about.
Maybe we should take a step back first: do you know what the "rotator cuff" is exactly?
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I don't give a fuck what Arnold did, someone else posted that. Answer the question: how does stopping with the bar a few inches above your chest avoid "inflaming" the rotator cuff? If you can't (which certainly seems to be the case), then stop posting a bunch of misleading broscience nonsense as if you know what you're talking about.
Maybe we should take a step back first: do you know what the "rotator cuff" is exactly?
of course i know son. stop swearing your being a tool. Here is a picture of the maximum depth i would go on dips..
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itīs the same with an over excessive wide grip on a bench press. The shoulder joint is very open to injury. It also cuts down the range of motion. Yes we know son Arnold did it to minimize tricep involvement.
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Back in the day, Flex, Chris, Paul, Rico, Arron, etc, none of them brought the bar all the way down. Watched it for years. If it works, it works.
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Back in the day, Flex, Chris, Paul, Rico, Arron, etc, none of them brought the bar all the way down. Watched it for years. If it works, it works.
yes
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simon = outed
Epic verbal suicide ;D ;D ;D
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well if you are using heavy weight on Benches or shoulder press i think itīs ok not to go all the way down..not half reps but lower till the arm is at a right angle. The benefits of going lower are minimal but CAN stress your shoulders. I go down to a right angle and also on shoulder barbell presses... If you have shoulder issues itīs safer. So itīs not for me to cheat or even use more weight but to save my joints.. ;)
My arms are so long, that if I lowered until 90 degrees it would be virtually no range of movement. I probably could do a massive amount of weight and get zero out of it.
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Back in the day, Flex, Chris, Paul, Rico, Arron, etc, none of them brought the bar all the way down. Watched it for years. If it works, it works.
Anything works with a shit load of gear. Doesn't mean it's the correct mechanics or the correct way to bench.
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there used to be a bar that had a bend in it, so that not only did you touch your chest on the bench press, your hands are now lower than an straight bar, giving even more stretch at the bottom. i guess nowadays they would use that bar but upside down.. ::)
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"Bench Press - This is a popular exercise chosen to build the chest, along with the anterior deltoid and triceps. Most teach taking the bar down until it lightly touches the chest. However, I believe this is unsafe because it exposes the anterior shoulder capsule to excessive load, in addition to compressing the soft tissue of the rotator cuff between the humerus and the acromion. Over time, with repeated bouts and heavy loads, the rotator cuff becomes inflamed."
What a bunch of bullshit. So stopping with your "elbows at a right angle" prevents all of that? How is that exactly? I could throw up a website too with a list of shoulder anatomy and say "I believe doing X inflames these things" but that doesn't make it true.
Here is why bench press "wrecks your joints": it's an ego lift and most guys try to use way too much weight. Rather than using less weight with correct form, they use more weight with shit form and come up with hair-brained excuses like the one seen above to justify it as "injury prevention" because when they did it the other way their shoulders hurt.
True. But, it's also just wear and tear from years of lifting; and let's not forget the shoulder is just one of the human body's poorly designed areas, like knees or lower back. Oh, and getting old. Add that one in, as well.
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was a while ago and ideas change. However do what you think is right. I am 46 and will look after my joints. we canīt always live in "Arnolds" time. Do you think going below parallel in Dips is healthy? i feel it in my shoulders.
Damn you're old.
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Damn you're old.
getting there.... ;D
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Back in the day, Flex, Chris, Paul, Rico, Arron, etc, none of them brought the bar all the way down. Watched it for years. If it works, it works.
By contrast, Dorian, Kevin, Shawn, Ronnie and many others were all about touching the bar to chest, and they have a far better track record overall than Flex, Chris, Paul, and Baker :)
(Rico doesn't count; he never even won a legit national title :D )
But let's be real: with all of the shit all of aforesaid personages were taking, they probably could've done a shitload of push-ups in lieu of "real" training and wound up not too far from where they were with the 405 inclines for reps and such.
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Yes, I look forward to his answer.
Considering in the Arnold days people lowered the bar all the way to the chest.
If you think it was smart what they did in Arnolds days, go for it....
(http://undergroundstrengthmanual.com/images/arnold.jpg)
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This video is 5 years old.
It is how you should bench press (except the last rep)
Even I do not do bench this way all the time but I always touch the chest!
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This video is 5 years old.
It is how you should bench press (except the last rep)
Even I do not do bench this way all the time but I always touch the chest!
Exactly, this is a perfect example of how you bench press, the last rep was the most impressive.
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I personally believe people who don`t touch the chest do so because they would be forced to lower the weight perhaps.
not everyone has scoliosis like you dude, form means jack shit when you good a good program rolling
take your silly rules back to the spine clinic
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This video is 5 years old.
It is how you should bench press (except the last rep)
Even I do not do bench this way all the time but I always touch the chest!
not perfect form, you lifted your rear delts out of the bench during the end of each rep. Also, fully locking your elbows decreases the squeeze on the pecs.
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not perfect form, you lifted your rear delts out of the bench during the end of each rep. Also, fully locking your elbows decreases the squeeze on the pecs.
Come off it man, theres nothing wrong with these presses, the guy in this clip is more than likely a powerlifter, I doubt he cares much about "squeezing his pecs" more concerned about moving weight from chest to full lockout.
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Come off it man, theres nothing wrong with these presses, the guy in this clip is more than likely a powerlifter, I doubt he cares much about "squeezing his pecs" more concerned about moving weight from chest to full lockout.
are we discussing form or are we not?
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Never, EVER would I do and especially teach a bench press with a partial movement. Not only is it incorrect, but the way it's done in this video puts undue stress not only on the joint but the insertion (pec tear). As long as all stabilizers and joint integrity is strong (the very thing bodybuilders lack) and elbows have an internal rotation on the eccentric part of the lift, there is virtually little chance of joint, tendon or legament damage. I'm not saying it can't happen, just your chances of injury reduce substantially. The main goal for any strength and conditioning coach is to design a program that REDUCES injury. I GUARANTY, you will find an S&C coach at the college or pro level that will bench any other way (to the chest). It doesn't matter if it's for power, strength or hypertrophy, you ALWAYS go to the chest.
One of my athletes at the Blue/Gray HS combine at Cowboys training camps. He was 16 here @ 178.
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No need to touch the chest unless you aire benching in competition.. There is a difference between using a full range of movement and the best range of motion based on what musclegroup you are trying to work.. If longer arms are your curse touching he chest can put unwanted stress on the shoulder joint.. If you powerlifting you don't have a choice.. If your bodybuilding may not be needed..
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are we discussing form or are we not?
Sure Bam Bam we are discussing form and his form is spot on in that clip above, like I said I believe that guy is a powerlifter so for him he will always touch chest and lock out, (full ROM), if a bodybuilder dosen t touch his chest thats fine with me BUT all these guys in the clips on page 1 are ego training nothing more, you can tell because they re struggling from REP 1
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Never, EVER would I do and especially teach a bench press with a partial movement. Not only is it incorrect, but the way it's done in this video puts undue stress not only on the joint but the insertion (pec tear). As long as all stabilizers and joint integrity is strong (the very thing bodybuilders lack) and elbows have an internal rotation on the eccentric part of the lift, there is virtually little chance of joint, tendon or legament damage. I'm not saying it can't happen, just your chances of injury reduce substantially. The main goal for any strength and conditioning coach is to design a program that REDUCES injury. I GUARANTY, you will find an S&C coach at the college or pro level that will bench any other way (to the chest). It doesn't matter if it's for power, strength or hypertrophy, you ALWAYS go to the chest.
One of my athletes at the Blue/Gray HS combine at Cowboys training camps. He was 16 here @ 178.
Looks like your athlete is really bouncing that bar of his chest hard(but I understand when you are going for speed and max reps this is what you have to do) and is raising his ass off of the bench on almost all the reps putting stress on his lower back/hyper extending.
There is no reason not to go to your chest, but to each their own and whatever works for you works for you. My experience in competitive weightlifting/ bodybuilding/ whatever is that touching chest is the best for overall development and strength, and If I were teaching it I would teach to touch the chest. Plus you look like a girl when you don't.
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Looks like your athlete is really bouncing that bar of his chest hard(but I understand when you are going for speed and max reps this is what you have to do) and is raising his ass off of the bench on almost all the reps putting stress on his lower back/hyper extending.
There is no reason not to go to your chest, but to each their own and whatever works for you works for you. My experience in competitive weightlifting/ bodybuilding/ whatever is that touching chest is the best for overall development and strength, and If I were teaching it I would teach to touch the chest. Plus you look like a girl when you don't.
LOL..true.
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ridiculous..
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Bouncing the bar off the chest is terrible. Itīs not being in control on the downward negative phase, which as we know is very important. stopping just before the chest is being in controll of the weight simple as that. So what was the young guy in the video trying to do beating himself to death with the bar?? explosive reps look diffrent to me. looked uncontrolled to me. also locking out at such speed as in the Video is also bad. Think of his elbows.
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ridiculous..
Coach he is more in controll of the weight than in YOUR video.
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Bouncing the bar off the chest is terrible. Itīs not being in control on the downward negative phase, which as we know is very important. stopping just before the chest is being in controll of the weight simple as that. So what was the young guy in the video trying to do beating himself to death with the bar?? explosive reps look diffrent to me. looked uncontrolled to me. also locking out at such speed as in the Video is also bad. Think of his elbows.
LOL....no, the video was fine. This is a hs football combine. This test is a test for upperbody strength and explosiveness. The same video that was shot by an official there also agreed the lift good. Good enough for canton for their combine at the HOF where he placed 4th out of 37 RB's as well as top ten athlete out of 239 for the entire combine. Anyway, under no circumstance should anyone nit touch the chest on a bench press. Really shows a lack of training knowledge.
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If longer arms are your curse touching he chest can put unwanted stress on the shoulder joint.
Post proof of this.
Haha "Donny" is having a meltdown sending me unsolicited PMs :D
you really are a fucking tool son.
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Coach do you agree that what is considered components of "classic bodybuilding training", ie. split, half squats, smith machine squats, "deadlift" without stopping on the floor or lack of squats and deads whatsoever and complete neglection of biomechanics, going for "muscle feel" produces weak, extremely prone to injury muscle-bound monsters we see today?
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Post proof of this.
Haha "Donny" is having a meltdown sending me unsolicited PMs :D
BUT you are a Tool son. Telling us all to prove everything but you canīt prove people are wrong.
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BUT you are a Tool son. Telling us all to prove everything but you canīt prove people are wrong.
The onus is on you. Proving a negative is a senseless task of futility.
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The onus is on you. Proving a negative is a senseless task of futility.
swallowed your Dictionary ???
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Good posting by Ursus and Hulkotron in this thread.
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The onus is on you. Proving a negative is a senseless task of futility.
Yes it's similar to the approach that the "The Earth is 5000 years old" folks try to use.
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Good posting by Ursus and Hulkotron in this thread.
Hulkotron ? a matter of opinion ::) donīt see any posts with any substance.
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Quality posts from a young man with knowledge ::)
reply 56: "What a bunch of Bullsit"
reply 59 : "I don't give a Fuck"
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Not necesseraly. Sometimes staying 2-3 inches away from the chest helps big time keeping constant tension on the chest.
Of course it depends on your proportions, arm to torso length etc., but for a lotta guys going all the way down to your chest means shoulders and lats are taking over and you lose the tension from your chest.
Give it a try. On the smith machine I always stop a few inches short of the chest, feel working my pecs a 100 times better than going all the way down.
Agree with the above, except of course about using the pussy smith machine ;D ... jusk fucken with you affeman.
Touching the chest is not wise at all, if you want to keep constant tension on your chest stay 2 inches above chest, affeman is right. Oh btw I get more reps if I touch my chest, it is easier.
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Never, EVER would I do and especially teach a bench press with a partial movement. Not only is it incorrect, but the way it's done in this video puts undue stress not only on the joint but the insertion (pec tear). As long as all stabilizers and joint integrity is strong (the very thing bodybuilders lack) and elbows have an internal rotation on the eccentric part of the lift, there is virtually little chance of joint, tendon or legament damage. I'm not saying it can't happen, just your chances of injury reduce substantially. The main goal for any strength and conditioning coach is to design a program that REDUCES injury. I GUARANTY, you will find an S&C coach at the college or pro level that will bench any other way (to the chest). It doesn't matter if it's for power, strength or hypertrophy, you ALWAYS go to the chest.
One of my athletes at the Blue/Gray HS combine at Cowboys training camps. He was 16 here @ 178.
Both videos, horrible, horrible, wow, coach serious? First of all the second video the guy is slamming the weight right into his sternum, and if he throws it up that fast and locks out he can very well bust his elbows, very dangerous, this guy is an injury waiting to happen.
As for the other guy in the first video, also horrible. Keep your feet flat on the floor, having your feet in tippy toe position can result in you pulling your calf muscle or a hamstring, very bad idea, wow.
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These guys in coach's video have ZERO arch in the back, position is very unstable, shoulder blades aint together. Terrible bench press form.
Ursus posted best video so far.
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Both videos, horrible, horrible, wow, coach serious? First of all the second video the guy is slamming the weight right into his sternum, and if he throws it up that fast and locks out he can very well bust his elbows, very dangerous, this guy is an injury waiting to happen.
As for the other guy in the first video, also horrible. Keep your feet flat on the floor, having your feet in tippy toe position can result in you pulling your calf muscle or a hamstring, very bad idea, wow.
lol...see reply #88. You actually think they train like that all the time? There is a purpose.
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These guys in coach's video have ZERO arch in the back, position is very unstable, shoulder blades aint together. Terrible bench press form.
Ursus posted best video so far.
Just for coach posting those embarrassing videos he lost all credibility with me, fuckman the second video hurts me just watching it, ouch, it is wrong on so many level.
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lol...see reply #88. You actually think they train like that all the time? There is a purpose.
OK fine it was a try out but bro this thread is about form, those are the last videos I would ever post about form.
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Coach do you agree that what is considered components of "classic bodybuilding training", ie. split, half squats, smith machine squats, "deadlift" without stopping on the floor or lack of squats and deads whatsoever and complete neglection of biomechanics, going for "muscle feel" produces weak, extremely prone to injury muscle-bound monsters we see today?
Yes. Thats a major contributor/
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OK fine it was a try out but bro this thread is about form, those are the last videos I would ever post about form.
Really? You have people on here trying to make the case for the first video.
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The onus is on you. Proving a negative is a senseless task of futility.
OK fine then I am Donny`s proof, A 500lb raw bencher right here bro and I do not train bench press so that the bar touches my chest, I have gotten way better results stopping two inches from my chest both in strength and hypertrophy. Donny is right.
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Both videos, horrible, horrible, wow, coach serious? First of all the second video the guy is slamming the weight right into his sternum, and if he throws it up that fast and locks out he can very well bust his elbows, very dangerous, this guy is an injury waiting to happen.
As for the other guy in the first video, also horrible. Keep your feet flat on the floor, having your feet in tippy toe position can result in you pulling your calf muscle or a hamstring, very bad idea, wow.
The guy in the first video is me.
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Really? You have people on here trying to make the case for the first video.
I pulled a ham back in the day on the bench press cause I was on my tippy toes, it is incorrect, feet must remain flat. Also I have had calves cramp up in that position.
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The guy in the first video is me.
OH, lol,... strong as fuck though ;)
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These guys in coach's video have ZERO arch in the back, position is very unstable, shoulder blades aint together. Terrible bench press form.
Ursus posted best video so far.
Arch isn't allowed in combine testing.
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According to Tate, my lift was damn near text book. Also, listen to what he says about bar speed (relating to my second video). Also, in both cases, our butts were down. Regardless, whether bodybuilding or powerlifting, bar touches the chest. As for athletes, they are taught powerlifting techniques.
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OK fine then I am Donny`s proof, A 500lb raw bencher right here bro and I do not train bench press so that the bar touches my chest, I have gotten way better results stopping two inches from my chest both in strength and hypertrophy. Donny is right.
Theres gym pressing and contest pressing.
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Arch isn't allowed in combine testing.
I would not fucking participate in an event where arch is not allowed. That's a fucking joke.
BTW I gladly admit that my bench sucks, 140kg @ 80kg and my bench press technique is far from flawless, I could add another 10kg if not 20 when I master it.
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OK fine then I am Donny`s proof, A 500lb raw bencher right here bro and I do not train bench press so that the bar touches my chest, I have gotten way better results stopping two inches from my chest both in strength and hypertrophy. Donny is right.
guaranty if you go down and touch with that 500lbs, you're not getting it back up.
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guaranty if you go down and touch with that 500lbs, you're not getting it back up.
when I workout I do not touch my chest, I am talking 3 reps and up. When I do anything under 3 reps I hit my chest. That includes 515 that I have done all the way down touching my chest and back up and locking out
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Do what works for you.
I hope this helps.
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Do what works for you.
I hope this helps.
How do I know if it "works" and how do you define it? What if something works but is not safe for your joints?
See, world is complicated ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
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How do I know if it "works" and how do you define it? What if something works but is not safe for your joints?
See, world is complicated ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
The only way to find out what works for you is trying a bunch of different ways ... Trial and error ? Experiment ? you retarded piece of shit .
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The only way to find out what works for you is trying a bunch of different ways ... Trial and error ? Experiment ? you retarded piece of shit .
"STFU you stupid bitch FAGGOT no one cares."
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The only way to find out what works for you is trying a bunch of different ways ... Trial and error ? Experiment ? you retarded piece of shit .
No.
Maybe you should go to university one day and learn why someone's personal experience is not that much valuable ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
Oh wait, yeah, why bother, keep digging holes or whatever you do in life as a construction worker.
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An arch when benching protects from injury and reduces ROM.
It is preferable UNLESS you are lifting your butt off the bench!
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According to Tate, my lift was damn near text book. Also, listen to what he says about bar speed (relating to my second video). Also, in both cases, our butts were down. Regardless, whether bodybuilding or powerlifting, bar touches the chest. As for athletes, they are taught power lifting techniques.
Coach, you can not tell me that kid's butt was down on his presses. About 6 presses in his ass started coming off the bench, if he were wearing tighter pants it would be easy to see but he was wearing baggy shorts. Still, any experienced lifter can see his ass was off the bench and he was putting himself in a more vulnerable position. As far as I'm aware, cause I've done competitive bench tournaments and combine testing myself, in competitions your ass and feet have to be firmly planted. I.E. you cannot be on our tippy toes. In a combine when you are going for max reps, anything goes, ass can be off and feet don't have to remain flat on the ground. With that being said I'm sure different organizations have different standards.
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what do ppl think, is benching better for chest development or is flies more effective?
i think benching is overated for chest development, but its a great multi compound exercise, one of the best.
its really all moot points, the chest shape and development will be dictated by genetics in the first place.
seen guys who bench 440lbs with shit chests and seen guys who cant do a single with 220lbs and have phenomenal chests.
doesnt matter, if its shit its gonna be shit no matter what
basic exercises, add weight. if it doesnt happen it wont happen, dont bother.
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Coach, you can not tell me that kid's butt was down on his presses. About 6 presses in his ass started coming off the bench, if he were wearing tighter pants it would be easy to see but he was wearing baggy shorts. Still, any experienced lifter can see his ass was off the bench and he was putting himself in a more vulnerable position. As far as I'm aware, cause I've done competitive bench tournaments and combine testing myself, in competitions your ass and feet have to be firmly planted. I.E. you cannot be on our tippy toes. In a combine when you are going for max reps, anything goes, ass can be off and feet don't have to remain flat on the ground. With that being said I'm sure different organizations have different standards.
You're right, but I saw it was the last few reps where his ass came up.
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What the fuck.
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If you don't want to touch you chest bench pressing that is fine if that works for you. Just don't call it a max bench press. A max gym bench press is a touch and go press with your butt remaining on the bench. You can arch your back but you butt must remain in contact with the bench at all times. Most importantly, the damn spotter can not touch the bar in even the slightest way on either the downward or upward motion. Follow those rules and you can give a legit max gym bench press.
Comp bench presses are much tougher with the pause and a couple of other factors.
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Wasn't there several threads about going halfway up? And then there was the thread when Phil, Jeremy Freeman, Nasser and others competed at a Mr. O Bench Press contest (225 the most times)?
**They need to bring that contest back
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Wasn't there several threads about going halfway up? And then there was the thread when Phil, Jeremy Freeman, Nasser and others competed at a Mr. O Bench Press contest (225 the most times)?
**They need to bring that contest back
Ya but that contest is cheesy cause people use shitty form, as reps got higher the form got shittier. Nasser's 15 were perfect form and then went down hill from there and Freeman with highest reps had the shittiest form.
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A few weeks ago I did some deads, classic style/full ROM. While I was in my set, a guy (or should I say 'moron') approached me from behind, saying "sir,.. sir,...". I gave no responce and finished my set. After that he approached me again saying that toughing the floor was bad for my lower back ::) I told that kid (a tatted douchbag with the build of a 'swimmer') that I was doing this for over 20 years. After that he changed the subject immediately by claiming that he worked as an instructor in the past. ::)
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A few weeks ago I did some deads, classic style/full ROM. While I was in my set, a guy (or should I say 'moron') approached me from behind, saying "sir,.. sir,...". I gave no responce and finished my set. After that he approached me again saying that toughing the floor was bad for my lower back ::) I told that kid (a tatted douchbag with the build of a 'swimmer') that I was doing this for over 20 years. After that he changed the subject immediately by claiming that he worked as an instructor in the past. ::)
I had a similar scenario, I had 315 on the flat bench, so I start my set after 3 or 4 reps I heard 'sir stop'' ''sir' ''sir'!!! then at this point I am thinking "oh shit something is wrong so I didn't finish the set just racked it right away thinking something is wrong. I ask the guy "what is it", he answers ''you shouldn't arch your back, you might hurt yourself" and I bursted out in laughter so hard, then he is like ''what's so funny" and I looked at him and said "guess" then walked away, not shitting you he had a 25 pounder on each side of the bar and was 140 soaking wet.
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I had a similar scenario, I had 315 on the flat bench, so I start my set after 3 or 4 reps I heard 'sir stop'' ''sir' ''sir'!!! then at this point I am thinking "oh shit something is wrong so I didn't finish the set just racked it right away thinking something is wrong. I ask the guy "what is it", he answers ''you shouldn't arch your back, you might hurt yourself" and I bursted out in laughter so hard, then he is like ''what's so funny" and I looked at him and said "guess" then walked away, not shitting you he had a 25 pounder on each side of the bar and was 140 soaking wet.
LOL, gotta love those rocket scientists! But what's really disturbing is that they start talking to you when you're in a serious set. They don't realize that someone can injury himself by dividing his focus between the weight and them, dumb idiots, it shows how focused those so called 'experts' are during their own sets. ::)
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I had a similar scenario, I had 315 on the flat bench, so I start my set after 3 or 4 reps I heard 'sir stop'' ''sir' ''sir'!!! then at this point I am thinking "oh shit something is wrong so I didn't finish the set just racked it right away thinking something is wrong. I ask the guy "what is it", he answers ''you shouldn't arch your back, you might hurt yourself" and I bursted out in laughter so hard, then he is like ''what's so funny" and I looked at him and said "guess" then walked away, not shitting you he had a 25 pounder on each side of the bar and was 140 soaking wet.
Similar scenario, different roles. 60 year old corpse approached me when I was doing light deads - it was like 150kg, basicly nothing. He told me it was "too much for me" and I should "stretch and do machines". He also asked me if I knew I had some magic "chacras" or some other crazy shit on my back that I was apparently hurting or whatever. Guy is batshit crazy, he's like real life Johnny Falcon. Obviously I got pissed off and told him to fuck off with anything that is not proven by science which was a huge mistake because it provoked even more rambling.
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^^^ lolol what gets to me is the lack of logic. I mean these guys see us, we are muscular and strong and yet they have better advise then us. lol, I honestly am nice to them, but I know what you mean, I really want to tell them to fuck off like you did.
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Well, I have no problems taking advice from someone who is 2000x smaller and weaker than me. Actually, I consult my training with one guy who is very strong (mainly in the bench) and other guy has totally different priorities. Yet I respect their knowledge about biomechanics and physiology so when it comes to technique, details about how to avoid injuries etc. I get advise from them.
Facts are facts, regardless of who says them. But when some old fucktard comes to me and starts rambling about how this weight is too much for me (because he thinks just because I'm not big fat slob I'm "weak" - go figure) and then continues with some magical mumbo-jumbo then I want to crush his head on the fucking wall.
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I had a similar scenario, I had 315 on the flat bench, so I start my set after 3 or 4 reps I heard 'sir stop'' ''sir' ''sir'!!! then at this point I am thinking "oh shit something is wrong so I didn't finish the set just racked it right away thinking something is wrong. I ask the guy "what is it", he answers ''you shouldn't arch your back, you might hurt yourself" and I bursted out in laughter so hard, then he is like ''what's so funny" and I looked at him and said "guess" then walked away, not shitting you he had a 25 pounder on each side of the bar and was 140 soaking wet.
Wow, I would have been pissed off. I would have yelled at the idiot, instructing him on proper gym etiquette. That is like a top 3 no-no of working out. NEVER interrupt someone in mid set. I pretty much keep to myself abut that would set me off.
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ROFLMAO
gloves and tank tops...the epitomy of bad ass. ::)
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Quality posts from a young man with knowledge ::)
reply 56: "What a bunch of Bullsit"
reply 59 : "I don't give a Fuck"
I ment other posts that are longer. ;D
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I ment other posts that are longer. ;D
The use of such profane language seems to upset the sensitive pH balance of "Donny"'s tender vagina.
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Epic using 35lb plates to make yourself look more impressive. Now, to the topic of discussion, if it doesn't touch your chest it doesn't count. I always touch my chest with the barbell. Control the weight and avoid injury.
those are 25lbers
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The use of such profane language seems to upset the sensitive pH balance of "Donny"'s tender vagina.
no i am a Man of Action and not words. speak to me Son in 10 years when you are a Man. why put my name like "Donny". I am who i say i am and donīt hide myself. Donny is short for Donald.