NO Male should be allowed to fight a Female.
So, the MAN became a WOMAN but chooses to be a fighter in the most masculine of pursuits. That's a fucked up dude right there!
She tells Zeigler she underwent gender reassignment surgery (along with the supplemental hormonal therapy) six years ago, several years after her father -- who was convinced she was a confused gay man -- put her in conversion therapy where, she notes, she was treated by a reparative therapist who tried to convince her that she was, in fact, gay so that he could turn her into a heterosexual man.
While I recognize her right to become and be a woman, I'm wrestling (no pun intended) with whether or not she ever should have fought in the women's division without first informing the fight commission that she is a genetic male.
Moving forward, I would like to see her facing other genetic males in her weight class. Or Ronda Rousey.
I don't care what people do to themselves to make them" happy " .. But sorry, if you are born a male then you are a male.. You can cut off parts and take hormones and call yourself a women if that makes you happy.. But you are a male in terms of actual gender.. She won't fight again.. I wouldnot blame other female fighters if they refused to fight her..
And dates a woman. Go figure.A gay man (possibly) who believes that he is a woman (now is this person attracted to men?) becomes a woman and a MMA fighter, and now is a lesbian (attracted to women)?
(http://www.atlantaintownpaper.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/PamGrier.jpg) I think he looks like Pam G. groink and many others said that they love her70s vintage Pam Grier was, is the shit. Far, far better than Halle Berry.
In her prime. Grier was a 10. Hell, she was bangable in Jackie Brown and she was in her 50s.back in the early 2000s, Pam's boyfriend ditched her for one of the Tenison Twins, who co-incidentally look like she used to look.
(http://actormunder.com/images/renee-tenison-05.jpg)yes, I had the biggest crush on Renee Tenison. Rosie (Rosy) Tenison modeled for Frederick's of Hollywood and was a fitness model. I had her pics up in my dorm room in college.
A gay man (possibly) who believes that he is a woman (now is this person attracted to men?) becomes a woman and a MMA fighter, and now is a lesbian (attracted to women)?
So, would that mean that "he" was originally attracted to women in the first place, which means that he was really heterosexual?
I went on a date with each sister very nicehow were they, personable? And how did each of their personalities differ?
Do not assume because someone is transgendered that they are also gay. Many transgendered folks are attracted to the opposite sex before and after they transition. Essentially, they were straight but felt as if they were in the wrong body. This begs the question, if a man becomes a woman and is still attracted to women, does this make her gay?That is why I was asking the question. Because I didn't know, nor could I assume...
There are also transgendered folks who are gay prior to gender reassignment surgery. Since they are pretty much women after all the hormones and surgery, if they are attracted to the opposite sex, does this mean they are now straight? Is it more common for women who transition to being men to be attracted to women then it is for men who transition to being women being attracted to men?
Frankly the simple answer is that people come in all flavors. Anything is possible. Life can be a challenge for anyone, imagine how much of a challenge it is for someone who has gender identity issues? I wouldn't want to be in their shoes for all the tea in China.
Prime muscle .. I do agree.. I can't imagine what they are going through mentally.. When does one,who is gay, go to that next level and want to change their actual sex? Is this a mental disorder so to speak? I know one in my town who has had the "full Monty"in regards to the operation.. I was told by " her" that she always felt ha.t she was a women growing up.. But again, when does on cross over from just being gay to feeling that they are somehow in the wrong body sexually.? And again, is this a mental disorder ect.. May never know.. But I will say that frm the limited experience I have seeing this it appears that those i question do have "issues" that need to be resolved other than gender confusion..
NO Male should be allowed to fight a Female.
ah she is named bridget fonda.
is that jane fonda sister or something?
Bridget Jane Fonda (born January 27, 1964) is an American film and television actress. She is best known for her roles in films such as The Godfather Part III, Single White Female, Point of No Return, It Could Happen to You, and Jackie Brown. She also provides the voice for Jenna in the 1995 animated feature film Balto. She is the daughter of Peter Fonda, niece of Jane Fonda and granddaughter of Henry Fonda.
Agreed - what bullshit that the hormones made her as weak as a woman now.
Thailand is full of trannies & you know what - it's a fashion thing more than anything.
They see trannies on TV, in daytime soap operas, adverts, hell half the women working on make up counters in department stores have got meat & 2 veg between their legs. There's even an airline with tranny hostesses. Trannies are everywhere you go.
Out here, it is more of an extension of the faggotry you see in the west in the gay community - all that acting effeminate nonsense. All that mincing about and putting on funny voices. All of that, ALL OF IT is fake. Homosexuality is a sexual orientation, not a funny voice, funny walk and funny hand positions. And it sure isn't making an effort to shock straight people by saying "cock" every other word.
So out here - they take mincing one step further with hormones & gender re-assignment. They see it around them from a young age and just take it to an extreme because you can do what you want here. In the west, you can't just walk into a pharmacy and buy the hormones and a surgeon won't just cut your dick off 'cause you have the cash.
In many cases, it's a career move. Get re-assigned and compete with the women in the red light districts.
All this "woman trapped in a mans body". I just don't buy it in 99% of cases. It's just someone that is fucked in the head. Shit - most gay people I have met are fucked in the head, basing all their life around their 'gayness' as if it's their whole raison d'etre.
A lot of homos are just complete attention whores, so stands to reason that some of them go the extra mile in their eternal quest to be top mincer.
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I don't think anyone knows completely how hormones affect a person. Obviously, taking steroids makes men and women grow muscles beyond what they'd naturally be able to to. Steroids are hormones, in the event you did not already know this.
met them at the same time actually in hollywood doing a photo shoot traded numbers eventually went on a date with each one very nice very cool to me but they were high maintenanceDuh and Double Duh, for the twins...
I've seen a lot of trannies & trust me - they are a LOT stronger/more masculine than women.
The hormones only do so much.
You can easily tell a tranny from a chick in real life. Their maleness is very evident.
Clearly, you are the moreexperiencedjaded of the two of us.
In her prime. Grier was a 10. Hell, she was bangable in Jackie Brown and she was in her 50s.
Agreed, one of the finest black women of all time.
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Thailand is full of trannies & you know what - it's a fashion thing more than anything.
They see trannies on TV, in daytime soap operas, adverts, hell half the women working on make up counters in department stores have got meat & 2 veg between their legs. There's even an airline with tranny hostesses. Trannies are everywhere you go.
Out here, it is more of an extension of the faggotry you see in the west in the gay community - all that acting effeminate nonsense. All that mincing about and putting on funny voices. All of that, ALL OF IT is fake. Homosexuality is a sexual orientation, not a funny voice, funny walk and funny hand positions. And it sure isn't making an effort to shock straight people by saying "cock" every other word.
So out here - they take mincing one step further with hormones & gender re-assignment. They see it around them from a young age and just take it to an extreme because you can do what you want here. In the west, you can't just walk into a pharmacy and buy the hormones and a surgeon won't just cut your dick off 'cause you have the cash.
In many cases, it's a career move. Get re-assigned and compete with the women in the red light districts.
All this "woman trapped in a mans body". I just don't buy it in 99% of cases. It's just someone that is fucked in the head. Shit - most gay people I have met are fucked in the head, basing all their life around their 'gayness' as if it's their whole raison d'etre.
A lot of homos are just complete attention whores, so stands to reason that some of them go the extra mile in their eternal quest to be top mincer.
They should all be gathered, placed in a deep pit, and then lit on fire!
FUCK the UFC, they built their EMPIRE on Political In-correctness, and now they are defending a man who wants to beat up women. WTF.
I love it when men like Matt Mitrione come out and tell it like ir is, it has affected his career, but real men speak thr truth,they don't play politics when they witness outrageous circumstances.That Man who wants to beat up women is a lying, sick, sociopathic disgusting freak.
^^^ It is no longer politically correct to suggest that a man shouldn't beat on a woman. Political correctness is disgusting, it is pure EVIL !
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I went on a date with each sister very nice
Or better yet, folks like you who pass judgment on people they don't personally know nor should you care what they do because it has no affect on you, should be burned at the stake.
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i agree that he shouldnt be allowed to fight the women, he should have to fight the dudes cause thats what he is
Wow, this is something else! What would be the difference to an over antagonized female fighter? I fought MMA way before I ever took a supplement (age 18-20 you can look it up), luckily never ran into a woman with such dispositions, but yet, I would feel if I lost to a born "male" fighting in a female league, surgery, hormones, whatever, I would be against the loss and try to fight the legality. (this is my opinion only)
I would be angry for she definitely has an unfair advantage, no matter what she says about the two-year hormone level balance. I don't agree with the winning before she came "out"-- However, IFC, UFC, and other federations of the sort, are similar to the IFBB in that they truly do not test for hormones, she should legally keep her belts and continue to fight. (study of legality, not my opinion)
If a female fighter knows her next fight is with a transgender, would that make her more likely to experiment with steroids to find a fair playing field? Causing to the Domino Theory? I think this is an ethical disaster, and truly immoral to fight without truth. Steroids/hormones are one thing, but cutting off your twig and berries- is another. She said it herself she was playing "devils advocate." She knows her time fighting without truth was in fact wrong. Like I said, if I saw her in the ring before me in my days of fighting, I would be angry to lose to a born male, I'd be happy to kick her ass though. She is really pretty which is cool, but the ethical nature of this case, makes me say she is not due her championships prior to "coming out"--
Legally okay, ethically wrong.
She was 'born" a female w 2 X X Female Sex chromosomes w a male SRY gene that hopped a ride onto her X-Female linked chromosome during development,, thus enabling her an unfair advantage.. This part i agree with
my bad for the misinformation, but still sits to the same side of the argument... Thanks for clearing up, I just wanted to delve into the ethical issues here...
Basically, it would be like if a boxer got a genetic mutation to be bigger and stronger on purpose... If you could prove it, they should be banned from the sport.
Hey no worries !! I don't expect many to be exposed to this type of information. as I have been due to my chosen profession . So def no offense !! hehe BUT YES.. She has had an unfair advantage and had used that to her career /monetary gain.. Can I blame her? hmmm
You did MMA Sarah? Where?
Or better yet, folks like you who pass judgment on people they don't personally know nor should you care what they do because it has no affect on you, should be burned at the stake.
She was 'born" a female w 2 X X Female Sex chromosomes w a male SRY gene that hopped a ride onto her X-Female linked chromosome during development,, thus enabling her an unfair advantage.. This part i agree with
Where do you get this information from?
Even nature passes judgement, because homosexuals cannot reproduce. Thereby, it gets rid of the biological cancer. Nevertheless, since you're contemplating your own choices even nature fails mankind in this respect to weed out the biological cancer, because some of you remain in monogamous relationships and reproduce.
extensive studies in the discipline of genetics, embryology, neuroscience, to name a few> in this prison called medical school
OK - so basically you don't know anything about this specific case.
I have seen no evidece that there is any chromosomal abnormality with this specific person.
Were there such an abnormality, I am certain that "he" would be very vocal about expressing that to back up his case.
The presumption I would make about this specific transgender is that like most of their ilk, it is nothing more than a homosexual male with some severe mental issues.
To wit, there is zero evidence that this person was born any less that 100% male.
If a Mr. Olympia contestant decides to cut his penis off and put silicone breast implants, is it OK for him to compete at the Ms Olympia?
Like pedro said, you don’t know anything about this specific case.
Fuck the science behind it, once you have lived as a man, you have no right to fight women, regardless of what the Doctor does to you. It has nothing to do with the unfair advantage, it just sets a horrible precedent. Culturally a man beating on a woman is taboo, considered a low act and is shunned throughout the world (except by Muslims). It is confusing enough for society trying to deal with those whose gender is borderline, so until this shit gets sorted out, stay out of fighting sports, go get a real job.
Can you imagine trying to explain this to your children. "Yes little Johnny, you are not to hit women, unless of course you want me to chop your cock off, take some female hormones and put some make up on, then you are allowed to hit women."
In her prime. Grier was a 10. Hell, she was bangable in Jackie Brown and she was in her 50s.
The individual underwent gender re-assignment...Highly indicative of a disproportionate population of patients who have exhibited these same genetic abnormalities..It is possible I am incorrect in my assessment(VERY RARE) but my conjecture is substantially probable due to there being a significant correlation to other patients that have underwent gender re-assignment and felt trapped in the wrong gender body since birth.......Transvestite s exhibit numerous psycho-social implications (Psychological deviance in accordance to mental perception)... whereas homosexual males simply do not wish to change sexes.. can we get a consensus from the homosexual members of this board?
You have no real idea what you are talking about.
On a normal day, I probably see a few hundred transexuals walking about. I have spoken to thousands of transexuals. In a country where transexuals are commonplace, it would be hard to get through a week without interacting with one. Most department store perfume/make-up departments here employ predominantly transexuals. They are waiters, office workers, receptionists, market stll owners, actors etc. etc. etc.
I live in the country that has one of the highest percentages of transexuals/transgenders on the planet.
I even have transexuals in my extended family. No-one is saying that homosexual men want to change sex. Still, trannies are predominantly homosexual males. Trannies tend to hang out in gay locations even though they outwardly try to appear female, with varying degrees of success.
You're in Thailand??
OUTED!!
You have no real idea what you are talking about.
On a normal day, I probably see a few hundred transexuals walking about. I have spoken to thousands of transexuals. In a country where transexuals are commonplace, it would be hard to get through a week without interacting with one. Most department store perfume/make-up departments here employ predominantly transexuals. They are waiters, office workers, receptionists, market stll owners, actors etc. etc. etc.
I live in the country that has one of the highest percentages of transexuals/transgenders on the planet.
I even have transexuals in my extended family. No-one is saying that homosexual men want to change sex. Still, trannies are predominantly homosexual males. Trannies tend to hang out in gay locations even though they outwardly try to appear female, with varying degrees of success.
You on the other hand, have been using Google.
The fact is that if this fella had a chromosome issue, he would have used it to back up his case. He doesn't, it's just a person with some deep-seated psychological issues. Issues that can be observed not just in the fact they had a sex change but in the relationships formed afterwards and the fact he decided to become a female MMA fighter.
This is just a really, really fucked up man.
but yes, I do live in Thailand.
OUTED!
Pedro is correct. This MALE should NOT be allowed to FIGHT FEMALES.
Ethically, I totally agree w/ you..NEVER SHOULD HAVE BEEN ALLOWED!... I was just trying to clarify and educate those who do not feel that there is any difference (di- , tri, or even polymorphisms in sexuality) I find it fascinating how a single changed sequence of a few amino acids can contribute to a wide variety of conditions..NOT BLACK AND WHITE.... Heck, there are individuals who lack attraction to either sex!Langston Hughes
i have no gain in this... utilizing knowledge that I have been force-fed has actually enlightened me and most of my colleagues here.. debunking stereotypes will allow many of these abnormalities to be fixed when detected at the right time.. that is the purpose behind the billion dollar industry of genomics and proteonomics... and this is not even my interest..as I am putting in all my marbles towards being a surgeon.. the brief synopsis of my explanations were covered long ago during my 1st year as a med student... what would urge me to google SRY gene? lol ask any medical student.. these are basic developmental concepts that stick .. but u may look up these terms if u wish to educate yourself and my responses were not even directed to you to begin with.. I was debunking the notion that all the sexual deviant acts be categorized into one filth category... I'm not even gay and have to acknowledge that it is not a simple psychological abnormality... developed psychological fear > yes! due to discrimination and being constantly stigmatized... the average trans-gender individual simply does not seek a dna test to prove their sexuality.. esp if u knew how expensive getting one done w/o it being a test sponsored and conducted for reasons of scientific research
I've noticed that black men looked better (more like a woman) after sex changes than white men.
Fuck no. Asians because they are already usually of slight build.
Incorrect - they all look like men with long hair.
Only fags have a preference.
So you consider yourself straight because you have no preference? You like them all? I'm confused.
Only fags have a preference. (i live in thailand)
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So you consider yourself straight because you have no preference? You like them all? I'm confused.
The average tranny isn't a sponsored MMA fighter who has a career to maintain & a point to prove. It really doesn't matter about anyone else other than the person being discussed. He has gone to a lot of lengths to become female and then pursue what is a male dominated sport.
As has been said many times. This is a specific case of which you know nothing. You seem to be some sort of bleeding heart, a knight in white shining armour coming to rescue the tranny and vanquish all foes with your 'medical knowledge'.
Me - I'm just a jaded cynic. As such I can see a fucked up man turned woman turned man again.
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wtf
Photo-shopped; Wrong head on the wrong body.
Noo, why ruin it... ;D
Noo, why ruin it... ;DTotal mindfuck when scrolling Getbig via cellphone. ;D
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WOW!!!
This is so wrong. Because he FEELS like a she, he gets to fight natural born females??
How is this fair. The NATURAL born females should boycott all of those fights.
Unless of course they're just wanting to be able to say they beat up a 'man'.
Some lesbians are militant!
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awwww..thanks babe.
I'm a normal RATIONAL guy.
This is fucking INSANE...How is there no law against this?