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Go ahead whiners start bitching !! :-*
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No need to bitch, let's just print more money :D
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-Bottom 90% of the population has seen wages decline for the past 5+ years.
-Labor Force Participation Rate is at 30 year lows.
-U.E. claims still around 350-400k level.
-Gas back up to 4 dollars per gallon.
-U.E. level near 8% (14% real U-6 rate).
But hey, the top 5% are doing awesome!
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Go ahead whiners start bitching !! :-*
Hi Benny
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-Bottom 90% of the population has seen wages decline for the past 5+ years.
-Labor Force Participation Rate is at 30 year lows.
-U.E. claims still around 350-400k level.
-Gas back up to 4 dollars per gallon.
-U.E. level near 8% (14% real U-6 rate).
But hey, the top 5% are doing awesome!
so long as OB is the leader what does it matter?
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-Bottom 90% of the population has seen wages decline for the past 5+ years.
-Labor Force Participation Rate is at 30 year lows.
-U.E. claims still around 350-400k level.
-Gas back up to 4 dollars per gallon.
-U.E. level near 8% (14% real U-6 rate).
But hey, the top 5% are doing awesome!
Agreed... Completely ridiculous.
People are feeling it in the pinch.
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-Bottom 90% of the population has seen wages decline for the past 5+ years.
-Labor Force Participation Rate is at 30 year lows.
-U.E. claims still around 350-400k level.
-Gas back up to 4 dollars per gallon.
-U.E. level near 8% (14% real U-6 rate).
But hey, the top 5% are doing awesome!
Isn't that the standard Republican wet dream
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Isn't that the standard Republican wet dream
So you're willing to admit that the Republicans and Democrats are the same?
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So you're willing to admit that the Republicans and Democrats are the same?
lolpwnt.
Expect a meltdown.
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So you're willing to admit that the Republicans and Democrats are the same?
in many ways
hell yes
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in many ways
hell yes
So why defend one side over another?
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Isn't that the standard Republican wet dream
Stop yourself.
You're smarter than that.
Leave the trolling to the trolls.
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So why defend one side over another?
I defend and criticize both sides on an issue by issue basis
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I defend and criticize both sides on an issue by issue basis
I have never seen you criticize a democrat ever.
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Stop yourself.
You're smarter than that.
Leave the trolling to the trolls.
I wasn't trolling
the majority of the bullet points in your post are fully supported by Repubs
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I have never seen you criticize a democrat ever.
I have criticized Dems (including Obama) many times
btw - I haven't memorized your posts either
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I wasn't trolling
the majority of the bullet points in your post are fully supported by Repubs
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I have criticized Dems (including Obama) many times
btw - I haven't memorized your posts either
LOL - you NEVER EVER say boo about Obama
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LOL - you NEVER EVER say boo about Obama
Probably because he's so busy debunking all the BS you post about Obama.
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LOL - you NEVER EVER say boo about Obama
how many times now have we had the exact same conversation
why should I bother going to find all the posts AGAIN
shit - you said a few weeks ago that I never posted anything about training
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I have criticized Dems (including Obama) many times
btw - I haven't memorized your posts either
I call shenanigans.
You don't have to memorize posts to know full well that I actually DO have bad things to say about both sides.
You know it and so do most posters on this board.
If you can find any poster to back up YOUR claim, I'd find that very interesting.
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Isn't that the standard Republican wet dream
Nope!! But, it's your standard tripe to excuse and defend Obama's failure, regarding the middle class and poor.
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I call shenanigans.
You don't have to memorize posts to know full well that I actually DO have bad things to say about both sides.
You know it and so do most posters on this board.
If you can find any poster to back up YOUR claim, I'd find that very interesting.
If I had the time I would go back and look for my posts
Off the top of my head I've criticized Obama for caving on extending Bush tax cuts, caving on health care, caving on unemployment benefits, firing Van Jones, Shirley Sherrod. I've criticized Harry Reid, Feinstein, etc...
I'm sure I could think of much more and If I wanted to spend hours sifting through my posts I could do that do
what would be the point?
to prove to you that you're wrong?
I don't care that much about it to spend the time
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If I had the time I would go back and look for my posts
Off the top of my head I've criticized Obama for caving on extending Bush tax cuts, caving on health care, caving on unemployment benefits, firing Van Jones, Shirley Sherrod. I've criticized Harry Reid, Feinstein, etc...
I'm sure I could think of much more and If I wanted to spend hours sifting through my posts I could do that do
what would be the point?
to prove to you that you're wrong?
I don't care that much about it to spend the time
So in about 3 years, despite all else - you have nothing to disagree with him on?
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Nope!! But, it's your standard tripe to excuse and defend Obama's failure, regarding the middle class and poor.
Obama cares more about the middle class and the poor than you or any other Repub
Repubs care about the top 5%, having low wages, having wealthy oil companies, don't give a shit about labor participation rate (think outsourcing), etc...
Everything on that list are things that Repubs actually like
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So in about 3 years, despite all else - you have nothing to disagree with him on?
we've had this conversation before
I'm not wasting my time having it with you again
go spend your time looking for nude photos of TBombz
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So in about 3 years, despite all else - you have nothing to disagree with him on?
Of course not... He's a shill.
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it's not to obama's credit that the S&P is so high.
HOWEVER,
If the S&P was hitting an all-time LOW under Obama's watch... Methinks more than a few getbiggers might connect the two ;)
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Of course not... He's a shill.
believe whatever you want
you can't recall me criticizing dems, which I have done many times, so it would make sense that you think I'm a shill
although of course that would imply I'm secretly working for Obama or the Dems
it's that what you believe I am doing?
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believe whatever you want
you can't recall me criticizing dems, which I have done many times, so it would make sense that you think I'm a shill
although of course that would imply I'm secretly working for Obama or the Dems
it's that what you believe I am doing?
Work?
I highly doubt you have a job.
What's more likely is that you are living off of a government handout and would hate for the handout to go away.
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Work?
I highly doubt you have a job.
What's more likely is that you are living off of a government handout and would hate for the handout to go away.
LOL - I've never even had an unemployment check much less a government handout
what's up with all the hate today
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LOL - I've never even had an unemployment check much less a government handout
what's up with all the hate today
No hate. I'm just denying your claim that you say anything bad about the Democrats.
That's all.
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No hate. I'm just denying your claim that you say anything bad about the Democrats.
That's all.
no hate = saying I don't have a job and live on a government hand out
when I get home tonight if I'm bored I will go find some posts of me criticizing Dems and then you can admit that you were wrong and I was right
what do you say?
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no hate = saying I don't have a job and live on a government hand out
when I get home tonight if I'm bored I will go find some posts of me criticizing Dems and then you can admit that you were wrong and I was right
what do you say?
If they are of substance, sure... I'm sure you'll find 2 or 3. Let's see what they are first.
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If they are of substance, sure... I'm sure you'll find 2 or 3. Let's see what they are first.
didn't you previously write that I had never done it?
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didn't you previously write that I had never done it?
I did... I'm sure you understand "generalization"... You do it every day.
Why don't you show this "proof" and let's go from there.
I seriously doubt it will even be of substance.
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it's not to obama's credit that the S&P is so high.
HOWEVER,
If the S&P was hitting an all-time LOW under Obama's watch... Methinks more than a few getbiggers might connect the two ;)
Obama was President 5 weeks before historic stock market rally of 120%
Nice try :-*
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I did... I'm sure you understand "generalization"... You do it every day.
Why don't you show this "proof" and let's go from there.
I seriously doubt it will even be of substance.
here are quick few
I will find more tonight but I will suspect that you will somehow judge these as "not of substance" in order to defend your claim
I'm sure a few posters on here recall me being critical of Obama and the Dems for cavign on tax cuts, unemployment benefit etc..
yeah, that's why when he got into office he repeatedly tried to compromise with the Repubs (even at the criticism of his own party) That's what bullies do...right
And when he caved unemployment benefits, single payer, extending the Bush tax cuts, etc..
If he's a bully then I have yet to see it
Anyway, he better bring a different Obama to the next debate or he's going to give away the election to Romney
WTF - how about we make BP pay to clean up their oil spill rather than asking potential homeowners to foot the bill (and the people who get FHA loans tend to be lower income borrowers)
333 - start your outrage and I'll join you on this one
http://www.housingwire.com/article/senators-want-higher-g-fees-pay-gulf-coast-cleanup
By Jon Prior• March 7, 2012 • 4:58pm
A group of senators want to extend higher Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac guarantee fees to pay for continued cleanup from the British Petroleum Gulf Coast oil spill.
Opponents say the measure, if passed, effectively taxes potential homebuyers and consumers looking to refinance their mortgages.
Congress already approved raising the g-fees through October 2021 by 10 basis points from the average fee charged last year. The Congressional Budget Office estimates the raise would offset $35.7 billion for the costs of the extended payroll tax cut.
The amendment is being pushed to the Restore the Gulf Coast Act of 2011, which would establish a trust fund paid for only partially by fines levied against BP. Sens. Mary Landrieu, D-La., and Richard Shelby, R-Ala. sponsored the bill.
According to a fact sheet circulated by Shelby and Sen. Bill Nelson, D-Fla., the g-fee increase would be extended another year but would be 7.5 bps, which is 2.5 bps below the higher rate set by Congress to pay for the payroll tax cut. This could vary based on the amount needed by the overall bill.
"Various options have been put forth by supporters of the bill, but no final decision has been made at this point," a spokesman for Shelby's office said.
Mortgage industry trade groups pushed back Wednesday with a letter to Senate leaders Harry Reid, D-Nev., and Mitch McConnell, R-Ky.
"G-fees are a critical risk management tool used by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to protect against losses from faulty loans. Increasing g-fees for other purposes — even just extending the current fee increase by one year at a lower rate — effectively taxes potential homebuyers and consumers looking to refinance their mortgages," according to a letter from the Mortgage Bankers Association, the National Association of Realtors and the National Association of Home Builders.
Jaret Seiberg, an analyst at the Washington-based Guggenheim Partners, said the amendment is unlikely to pass but that attempts to raise g-fees will continue to pop up during an election year.
"This reinforces our worry that Congress sees higher guarantee fees as an easy way to pay for new programs. Higher guarantee fees effectively raise costs for borrowers, which means more downward pressure on home prices," Seiberg said.
The moron referred to a democratically elected representative as a communist IN THIS THREAD so just because you choose to ignore it doesn't mean I have to. Feinstein is a POS but that doesn't change the fact that Cruz is a teabagging moron. Given that this board is primarily a right wing circle jerk I understand why you are all lining up to suck his dick. The premise that the 2nd amendment somehow prevents any kind of gun legislation (background check, licensing, tracking, restriction of access to certain kinds of weapons, by certain people, etc..) has been proven false over and over and I've weighed in on it many times before
If the actual definition of words don't matter to you then I'll just start referring to you as a pedophile. I assume you will have no problem with that
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here are quick few
I will find more tonight but I will suspect that you will somehow judge these as "not of substance" in order to defend your claim
I'm sure a few posters on here recall me being critical of Obama and the Dems for cavign on tax cuts, unemployment benefit etc..
You're right... They are not of much substance.
The first post has a little... The others absolutely none.
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it's not to obama's credit that the S&P is so high.
HOWEVER,
If the S&P was hitting an all-time LOW under Obama's watch... Methinks more than a few getbiggers might connect the two ;)
boom
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it's not to obama's credit that the S&P is so high.
HOWEVER,
If the S&P was hitting an all-time LOW under Obama's watch... Methinks more than a few getbiggers might connect the two ;)
Why would someone do that?
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Obama cares more about the middle class and the poor than you or any other Repub
That may be true, ...but sadly, ...considering how little the Repubs care... it ain't really saying much
Repubs care about the top 5%, having low wages, having wealthy oil companies, don't give a shit about labor participation rate (think outsourcing), etc...
Everything on that list are things that Repubs actually like
That's like saying you care more for the chewing gum under my shoe than I do. :-\
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Obama cares more about the middle class and the poor than you or any other Repub
Repubs care about the top 5%, having low wages, having wealthy oil companies, don't give a shit about labor participation rate (think outsourcing), etc...
Everything on that list are things that Repubs actually like
AHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAAH.
Sorry, this post is so fucking dumb and deluded. C'mon, Straw, you're better than this.
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Obama cares more about the middle class and the poor than you or any other Repub
Repubs care about the top 5%, having low wages, having wealthy oil companies, don't give a shit about labor participation rate (think outsourcing), etc...
Everything on that list are things that Repubs actually like
LMFAO!!!\!!!!!
Yet under the policies of O-Twink all of those very things are getting way worse. So maybe O-Twink should change parties is what you are saying?
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LMFAO!!!\!!!!!
Yet under the policies of O-Twink all of those very things are getting way worse. So maybe O-Twink should change parties is what you are saying?
That is a fair statement.
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-Bottom 90% of the population has seen wages decline for the past 5+ years.
-Labor Force Participation Rate is at 30 year lows.
-U.E. claims still around 350-400k level.
-Gas back up to 4 dollars per gallon.
-U.E. level near 8% (14% real U-6 rate).
But hey, the top 5% are doing awesome!
You're worried about the 95% ? Fu&k them!
Get OFF Getbig and join the 5% :D
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LMFAO!!!\!!!!!
Yet under the policies of O-Twink all of those very things are getting way worse. So maybe O-Twink should change parties is what you are saying?
It's not like it would make any difference. Both parties have the same marching orders... just different crony's
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It's not like it would make any difference. Both parties have the same marching orders... just different crony's
Not according to Straw ;)
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Obama was President 5 weeks before historic stock market rally of 120%
Wow, Obama works fast! ;D Or, it is just the market responding so positively to Bush leaving?
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Wow, Obama works fast! ;D Or, it is just the market responding so positively to Bush leaving?
Either way historic 120% stock market rally under Obama :D
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Either way historic 120% stock market rally under Obama :D
So maybe obama stalemated in the congress is a good thing? :D :D
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So maybe obama stalemated in the congress is a good thing? :D :D
Hell yes it is.
I hope nothing passes. The best way for the US is for neither side to be able to get anything done.
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well all i can say is i support your Democrats ;)
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You're right... They are not of much substance.
The first post has a little... The others absolutely none.
make no difference to me
it's no like I win anything by proving you're wrong so not worth any more of my time
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AHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAAH.
Sorry, this post is so fucking dumb and deluded. C'mon, Straw, you're better than this.
great job providing not one specific detail in your objection
how about this - Obama and the Dems cut taxes on middle and lower income, extended unemployment benefits, did their best to pass jobs legislation, and the healthcare legislation helps the middle and lower classes.
those are just a few examples to support my statement
what do you have to support yours?
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great job providing not one specific detail in your objection
how about this - Obama and the Dems cut taxes on middle and lower income, extended unemployment benefits, did their best to pass jobs legislation, and the healthcare legislation helps the middle and lower classes.
those are just a few examples to support my statement
what do you have to support yours?
How does paying skyrocketing health premiums and energy prices help the middle class?
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How does paying skyrocketing health premiums and energy prices help the middle class?
simple
neither one of your statements is true
energy prices are not controlled by Obama and are not skyrocketing and the poor and middle class will have more access to healthcare then prior to the legislation
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great job providing not one specific detail in your objection
how about this - Obama and the Dems cut taxes on middle and lower income, extended unemployment benefits, did their best to pass jobs legislation, and the healthcare legislation helps the middle and lower classes.
those are just a few examples to support my statement
what do you have to support yours?
Other than unemployment being at least 8% for nearly all of his first term?
Did their best to pass job legislation? PLEASE!!! The Dems controlled all of Washington his first two years. Obama didn't do SQUAT to pass job legislation, until the Dems lost the House.
As for ObamaCare helping the middle class, that's a joke. How many threads have been posted here about the HIKES in premiums and how the middle class (not those EEEEVVVVVIIIILLLL rich people) are getting shanked? Thousands of dollars in higher prices.....
Not to mention, people are getting laid off or their hours reduced due to ObamaCare. Please explain how that's helping those middle class and poor folk again.
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Other than unemployment being at least 8% for nearly all of his first term?
Did their best to pass job legislation? PLEASE!!! The Dems controlled all of Washington his first two years. Obama didn't do SQUAT to pass job legislation, until the Dems lost the House.
As for ObamaCare helping the middle class, that's a joke. How many threads have been posted here about the HIKES in premiums and how the middle class (not those EEEEVVVVVIIIILLLL rich people) are getting shanked? Thousands of dollars in higher prices.....
Not to mention, people are getting laid off or their hours reduced due to ObamaCare. Please explain how that's helping those middle class and poor folk again.
how many times have we've been over that lie now
An UE although not great is MUCH better than when he took office
you want to know the definitive proof that things are better now than when he took office
He was voted to a 2nd term in office
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how many times have we've been over that lie now
You mean the lies YOU keep spewing, in your pitiful Obama worship? Which party ran the House from 2009 to 2011? Which party ran the Senate from 2009 to 2011? Which party ran the White House from 2009 to 2011?
And, HOW did we end up with ObamaCare?
Oh, YOUR premium went down. So, obviously all the other people, complaining about hikes (many of who voted for Obama) are just fibbing. ::)
An UE although not great is MUCH better than when he took office
The numbers are almost IDENTICAL. How is 7.6% "MUCH better than".....7.6%, especially given all the money he's blown? And, even the in-the-tank-for-Obama press has admitted that the primary/sole reason the numbers got lower is because PEOPLE STOPPED LOOKING FOR WORK, not because Obama and the Dems created any jobs.
you want to know the definitive proof that things are better now than when he took office
He was voted to a 2nd term in office
WRONG!!
What that proves is we have a more government-dependent, woefully-misinformed electorate, coupled by a guy who managed to blame everyone but himself for his failing policies (aided by an in-the-tank-media and an opponent who bungled key opportunities to beat him at critical times).
Does 333386 have to break out that graph again to show where Obama and his team projected unemployment would be at this point?
But, if all you're judging Obama's success by is the fact he got re-elected, you shouldn't have ZIP to say about the failures of his predecessor, who also got re-elected.
But, Obama is right about one thing: Elections have consequences. And, those consequences are going to hit America like a ton of bricks, with many Obama sheep bleating en masse for the next 31/2 years.
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You mean the lies YOU keep spewing, in your pitiful Obama worship? Which party ran the House from 2009 to 2011? Which party ran the Senate from 2009 to 2011? Which party ran the White House from 2009 to 2011?
And, HOW did we end up with ObamaCare?
Oh, YOUR premium went down. So, obviously all the other people, complaining about hikes (many of who voted for Obama) are just fibbing. ::)
The numbers are almost IDENTICAL. How is 7.6% "MUCH better than".....7.6%, especially given all the money he's blown? And, even the in-the-tank-for-Obama press has admitted that the primary/sole reason the numbers got lower is because PEOPLE STOPPED LOOKING FOR WORK, not because Obama and the Dems created any jobs.
WRONG!!
What that proves is we have a more government-dependent, woefully-misinformed electorate, coupled by a guy who managed to blame everyone but himself for his failing policies (aided by an in-the-tank-media and an opponent who bungled key opportunities to beat him at critical times).
Does 333386 have to break out that graph again to show where Obama and his team projected unemployment would be at this point?
But, if all you're judging Obama's success by is the fact he got re-elected, you shouldn't have ZIP to say about the failures of his predecessor, who also got re-elected.
But, Obama is right about one thing: Elections have consequences. And, those consequences are going to hit America like a ton of bricks, with many Obama sheep bleating en masse for the next 31/2 years.
I have no time or patience to refute the same lie over and over again
Screen shot and link provided
Continue to believe whatever you'd like
http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/did-the-democrats-ever-really-have-60-votes-in-the-senate-and-for-how-long/
So, to the extent there was a filibuster proof majority in the Senate it lasted during two brief periods which lasted for a total of just over five months when counted altogether (and Congress was in its traditional summer recess for most of the July-August 2009 time frame).
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I have no time or patience to refute the same lie over and over again
Correction: You refuse to defend that bald-faced lie you keep spewing, because the facts will tear it apart.
Screen shot and link provided
Continue to believe whatever you'd like
http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/did-the-democrats-ever-really-have-60-votes-in-the-senate-and-for-how-long/
So, to the extent there was a filibuster proof majority in the Senate it lasted during two brief periods which lasted for a total of just over five months when counted altogether (and Congress was in its traditional summer recess for most of the July-August 2009 time frame).
And, the reason Obama couldn't get his precious jobs bill passed, when they have that supermajority for 5 months would be.........
Would you like some Grey Poupon with that foot of yours?
Even without a supermajority, they had plenty of Dems in the Senate, coupled with some easily-pliable RINOs to get stuff done, if that were their true focus.
Not to mention that the "independents" were effectively Democrats (Lieberman called himself that at the GOP convention, when he endorse McCain, for goodness sake; Bernie Sanders makes Harry Reid sound like Rush Limbaugh).
One more time, Straw, Which party ran the House from 2009 to 2011? Which party ran the Senate from 2009 to 2011? Which party ran the White House from 2009 to 2011?
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Correction: You refuse to defend that bald-faced lie you keep spewing, because the facts will tear it apart.
And, the reason Obama couldn't get his precious jobs bill passed, when they have that supermajority for 5 months would be.........
Would you like some Grey Poupon with that foot of yours?
Even without a supermajority, they had plenty of Dems in the Senate, coupled with some easily-pliable RINOs to get stuff done, if that were their true focus.
Not to mention that the "independents" were effectively Democrats (Lieberman called himself that at the GOP convention, when he endorse McCain, for goodness sake; Bernie Sanders makes Harry Reid sound like Rush Limbaugh).
name the bill you're referring to so that we can both see when it was proposed
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name the bill you're referring to so that we can both see when it was proposed
That's the point you can't get drilled through your head. If Obama and the Dems were so fired up about passing a jobs bill, they could have EASILY proposed and passed one, when they had a SUPERMAJORITY in the Senate which the GOP could not stop.
It's not as if they haven't tried to rush bill through Congress before.
Let me put this in terms you can perhaps understand: Go back at least 8 years and imagine that George W. Bush has 60 GOPers in the Senate and a big majorityof Republicans in the House. Imagine the kind of laws he could have passed......Let that marinate in your head for a while.
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That's the point you can't get drilled through your head. If Obama and the Dems were so fired up about passing a jobs bill, they could have EASILY proposed and passed one, when they had a SUPERMAJORITY in the Senate which the GOP could not stop.
It's not as if they haven't tried to rush bill through Congress before.
Let me put this in terms you can perhaps understand: Go back at least 8 years and imagine that George W. Bush has 60 GOPers in the Senate and a big majorityof Republicans in the House. Imagine the kind of laws he could have passed......Let that marinate in your head for a while.
so from the statement above I assume you're admitting that Dems didn't have a majority for most of the 2 years that they ran the House and that the two period they had control were mostly during the summer recess
and all that is to refute my original point that Dems did their best to pass jobs legislation (i.e they put forth legislation that would have helped both Veterans and small business and Repubs blocked them both)
they did afterall put forth jobs bills that were blocked by Repubs
do you dispute that?
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so from the statement above I assume you're admitting that Dems didn't have a majority for most of the 2 years that they ran the House and that the two period they had control were mostly during the summer recess
Apparently, despite your very posts, you can't COUNT. The Dems had the majority in the Senate; your own graph shows that.
and all that is to refute my original point that Dems did their best to pass jobs legislation (i.e they put forth legislation that would have helped both Veterans and small business and Repubs blocked them both)
they did afterall put forth jobs bills that were blocked by Repubs
do you dispute that?
As usual, when your quips get shot down, you invent more foolishness. Apparently you don't know the difference between a majority and a supermajority. And when a party has more of its members in a house of Congress than its opponent does, they are deemed to have control of that house.
But, by your rationale, the Dems don't really have control of the Senate now because they don't have 60 members. ::)
And you ducked the question, yet again, as to why the Dems couldn't propse and pass jobs bills when they did have a supermajority in the Senate. They did it with ObamaCare.
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Apparently, despite your very posts, you can't COUNT. The Dems had the majority in the Senate; your own graph shows that.
As usual, when your quips get shot down, you invent more foolishness. Apparently you don't know the difference between a majority and a supermajority. And when a party has more of its members in a house of Congress than its opponent does, they are deemed to have control of that house.
But, by your rationale, the Dems don't really have control of the Senate now because they don't have 60 members. ::)
And you ducked the question, yet again, as to why the Dems couldn't propse and pass jobs bills when they did have a supermajority in the Senate. They did it with ObamaCare.
This is very true... If you can push ObamaCare without a supermajority, you certainly could have pressed a jobs bill through.
"It's the economy, stupid." Right?
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This is very true... If you can push ObamaCare without a supermajority, you certainly could have pressed a jobs bill through.
"It's the economy, stupid." Right?
I think you mean, If you can push ObamaCare WITH a supermajority, you certainly could have pressed a jobs bill through..
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That's the point you can't get drilled through your head. If Obama and the Dems were so fired up about passing a jobs bill, they could have EASILY proposed and passed one, when they had a SUPERMAJORITY in the Senate which the GOP could not stop.
It's not as if they haven't tried to rush bill through Congress before.
Let me put this in terms you can perhaps understand: Go back at least 8 years and imagine that George W. Bush has 60 GOPers in the Senate and a big majorityof Republicans in the House. Imagine the kind of laws he could have passed......Let that marinate in your head for a while.
so if they didn't do it during the two brief periods when they had a majority the McWay declares they didn't make their best effort and you'll just ignore the fact that Repubs later blocked jobs bills to help Veterans and small business
My original point was that Dems had made more efforts to help the poor and middle class then Repubs had done
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I think you mean, If you can push ObamaCare WITH a supermajority, you certainly could have pressed a jobs bill through..
Oh... I thought they just did it with a regular majority... not a super-majority.
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This is very true... If you can push ObamaCare without a supermajority, you certainly could have pressed a jobs bill through.
"It's the economy, stupid." Right?
great point
explain to me why Repubs blocked a jobs bill to help small business and another one to help vets?
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Oh... I thought they just did it with a regular majority... not a super-majority.
Nope!! Christmas Eve 2009, Reid held the vote and it passed 60-39.
And, as usual, Straw is wailing his pitiful excuses as to why the Dems could do something similar with a jobs bill (far less convulted and complicated than ObamaCare was) with a supermajority.
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great point
explain to me why Repubs blocked a jobs bill to help small business and another one to help vets?
What does that matter right? Obama could have made it happen if he wanted it, couldn't he?
He made Obamacare happen and they (Repubs) blocked that too right?
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so if they didn't do it during the two brief periods when they had a majority the McWay declares they didn't make their best effort and you'll just ignore the fact that Repubs later blocked jobs bills to help Veterans and small business
My original point was that Dems had made more efforts to help the poor and middle class then Repubs had done
The Buffalo Bills made 4 effort to win a Super Bowl, too. How did that turn out?
MY original point was that the Dems' efforts didn't get the job done. And the numbers prove it.
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What does that matter right? Obama could have made it happen if he wanted it, couldn't he?
He made Obamacare happen and they (Repubs) blocked that too right?
And, ObamaCare (as predicted) cost way more than Obama said it would and didn't work as he said it would.
It didn't decrease premiums, lower the deficit, or guarantee people could keep the policies they like.
And, he and his party had to LIE their keisters off about it not being a tax. Yet, Obama's lawyers defended ObamaCare as a tax under oath in court. The Supreme Court's ruling that ObamaCare was indeed a massive tax (what we conservatives said it was from the jump) was the ONLY reason it was upheld.
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And, ObamaCare (as predicted) cost way more than Obama said it would and didn't work as he said it would.
It didn't decrease premiums, lower the deficit, or guarantee people could keep the policies they like.
And, he and his party had to LIE their keisters off about it not being a tax. Yet, Obama's lawyers defended ObamaCare as a tax under oath in court. The Supreme Court's ruling that ObamaCare was indeed a massive tax (what we conservatives said it was from the jump) was the ONLY reason it was upheld.
All true statements.
Can't argue any of that on any particular point.
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What does that matter right? Obama could have made it happen if he wanted it, couldn't he?
He made Obamacare happen and they (Repubs) blocked that too right?
how exactly
btw - are we still arguing the point that GigantorX original post is or is not a Republican wet dream (my statement)
One of my claims was that Dems have done more (and attempted to do more) for the poor and middle class
Nothing posted by either you or McWay refutes that statement
Neither of you have posted anything showing that the Repubs have made any effort to help the poor or middle class
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how exactly
btw - are we still arguing the point that GigantorX original post is or is not a Republican wet dream (my statement)
One of my claims was that Dems have done more (and attempted to do more) for the poor and middle class
Nothing posted by either you or McWay refutes that statement
I not only refute your statement; I've shown how ineffective these supposed successful attempts are. How many months was unemployment above 8% again, the very mark over which Obama's team said unemployment would never exceed, were his precious stimulus passed?
Black unemployment....what are those numbers under those oh-so-helpful Democrats? Not to mention the food stamp rolls......
Neither of you have posted anything showing that the Repubs have made any effort to help the poor or middle class
The way the Dems help the poor is by adding to their ranks. BTW, the DC Opportunity scholarships for poor black children....Who shut that down again? Who fought to bring it back?
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I not only refute your statement; I've shown how ineffective these supposed successful attempts are. How many months was unemployment above 8% again, the very mark over which Obama's team said unemployment would never exceed, were his precious stimulus passed?
Black unemployment....what are those numbers under those oh-so-helpful Democrats? Not to mention the food stamp rolls......
The way the Dems help the poor is by adding to their ranks. BTW, the DC Opportunity scholarships for poor black children....Who shut that down again? Who fought to bring it back?
lower than the day he took office and no thanks to Repubs
I wonder if the voters will blame Obama for the UE rate in the 2012 election
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lower than the day he took office and no thanks to Repubs
Ummm.....Obama's team didn't say it'd just be lower than the day he took office. It was NOT to exceed 8% and was to be in the 5s by late 2012.
I don't know how good your math is. But 7.6 ain't lower than 7.6, especially when it has ZILCH to do with Obama's policies being effective. Or, did you miss last week's report that clearly stated that UE number went down because over 600,000 people STOPPED LOOKING FOR WORK.
I wonder if the voters will blame Obama for the UE rate in the 2012 election
Some people have to learn the hard way. Elections have consequences and, as I said earlier, the Obama sheep like you will do the most bleating when they get hammered.
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how exactly
btw - are we still arguing the point that GigantorX original post is or is not a Republican wet dream (my statement)
One of my claims was that Dems have done more (and attempted to do more) for the poor and middle class
Nothing posted by either you or McWay refutes that statement
Neither of you have posted anything showing that the Repubs have made any effort to help the poor or middle class
getting govt out of your way isnt helping?
does the govt have to be in your life to help you out?
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Ummm.....Obama's team didn't say it'd just be lower than the day he took office. It was NOT to exceed 8% and was to be in the 5s by late 2012.
I don't know how good your math is. But 7.6 ain't lower than 7.6, especially when it has ZILCH to do with Obama's policies being effective. Or, did you miss last week's report that clearly stated that UE number went down because over 600,000 people STOPPED LOOKING FOR WORK.
Some people have to learn the hard way. Elections have consequences and, as I said earlier, the Obama sheep like you will do the most bleating when they get hammered.
holy shit
if the voters find out about this he will never get re-elected
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holy shit
if the voters find out about this he will never get re-elected
And we all know YOU judge successful presidents by their getting re-elected, which would explain why you're so high on that Bush fellow. I mean who cares about what happened the last year of his presidency. He got re-elected in 2004; that means he was an automatic success, policies or no policies.
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And we all know YOU judge successful presidents by their getting re-elected, which would explain why you're so high on that Bush fellow. I mean who cares about what happened the last year of his presidency. He got re-elected in 2004; that means he was an automatic success, policies or no policies.
certainly successful as a politician
let's see what the end of Obama's 2nd term looks like and then decide
so far it's looking ok (and really good in some places) considering where we started from
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certainly successful as a politician
How silly for people to actually count success, based on DELIVERING as advertised. ::)
let's see what the end of Obama's 2nd term looks like and then decide
so far it's looking ok (and really good in some places) considering where we started from
600,000 people drop out of the workforce.....that ain't "OK".
20 million more on food stamps than in 2009....that ain't "OK".
More debt that all of his predecessors combined......that ain't "OK".
People's hours being reduced, their premiums skyrocketing (contrary to the president's claim) and their beind dropped from the plans they like (despite the president's promises)....That ain't "OK".
Over half of college grads aren't working in their fields of their degree.....that ain't "OK".
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"But, but, but, the stock market is doing great"
This was the exact same excuse the Republicans used before the bottom fell out of the economy. It's not legitimate. It's a bubble created by the .gov printing money among other things. It's all funny money. This thing is going to take a dive and it's going to be ugly.
Regardless of what political party you want to blame for it, this country is being fucking looted. Politicians, bankers and stock brokers are getting everything they can get before they set a match to the whole thing. The treasury, your savings accounts, 401k accounts, everything. Looted.
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"But, but, but, the stock market is doing great"
This was the exact same excuse the Republicans used before the bottom fell out of the economy. It's not legitimate. It's a bubble created by the .gov printing money among other things. It's all funny money. This thing is going to take a dive and it's going to be ugly.
Regardless of what political party you want to blame for it, this country is being fucking looted. Politicians, bankers and stock brokers are getting everything they can get before they set a match to the whole thing. The treasury, your savings accounts, 401k accounts, everything. Looted.
this sounds completely sane
tell us more
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certainly successful as a politician
let's see what the end of Obama's 2nd term looks like and then decide
so far it's looking ok (and really good in some places) considering where we started from
Lmfao.
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this sounds completely sane
tell us more
I'm sorry that you don't see what is happening right in front of your face. Your leftist ideology must be clouding your perception of reality. That's not to say that only Democrats are doing the looting. It's been happening for quite some time.
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I'm sorry that you don't see what is happening right in front of your face. Your leftist ideology must be clouding your perception of reality. That's not to say that only Democrats are doing the looting. It's been happening for quite some time.
what's happening right in front of my face is that my home has gone up in value 150k since Obama got in office and my income last year was the best it has been since ~ 2005 and this year is on track (per my 1Q13 #'s) to be even better
what's happening in front of your face?
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what's happening right in front of my face is that my home has gone up in value 150k since Obama got in office and my income last year was the best it has been since ~ 2005 and this year is on track (per my 1Q13 #'s) to be even better
what's happening in front of your face?
What specifically did obama do or law he signed that is the cause of that?
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What specifically did obama do or law he signed that is the cause of that?
I didn't say Obama "caused" any of it though the RE market and the economy was crashing when he took office and it's doing much better now
That has helped the RE market to recover in my area
My increase in income is due in part to the improvement in the economy and in equal or larger part to my own hard work
I guess I could have spent the last 4 years on this board pissing and moaning about how bad things were and demanding the POTUS to create "certainty" like some people chose to do but instead I just focused on working
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what's happening right in front of my face is that my home has gone up in value 150k since Obama got in office and my income last year was the best it has been since ~ 2005 and this year is on track (per my 1Q13 #'s) to be even better
what's happening in front of your face?
Correlation =/= causation. You may doing fine, and there are lots of individuals who are raking it in, yet every economic indicator says the we're still in the shitter and headed for another downturn.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-04-12/us-economic-data-plunges-most-10-months-4-month-lows
I'm doing very well myself this year, yet I wouldn't be naive to think just because I'm fine everyone else is.
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Correlation =/= causation. You may doing fine, and there are lots of individuals who are raking it in, yet every economic indicator says the we're still in the shitter and headed for another downturn.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-04-12/us-economic-data-plunges-most-10-months-4-month-lows
I'm doing very well myself this year, yet I wouldn't be naive to think just because I'm fine everyone else is.
I never said EVERYONE else is doing fine
when is everyone doing fine anyway
I know people who made millions in 2008 when I and most the country were having a shitty year
In any given time there are people doing great and others not doing so good
what I didn't so was sit around pissing and moaning about how bad things were
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Straw - You are great. You site a bunch of positive stuff and when challeged you admit that Obama had nothing to do with it. lol.
Lets talk about something that does have to do with Obama. Do you understand that the Fed is monitizing debt to the tune of 1 trillion dollars per year?
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Straw - You are great. You site a bunch of positive stuff and when challeged you admit that Obama had nothing to do with it. lol.
Lets talk about something that does have to do with Obama. Do you understand that the Fed is monitizing debt to the tune of 1 trillion dollars per year?
where did I say he has NOTHING to do with it?
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where did I say he has NOTHING to do with it?
Semantics.
Way to ignore the important part of what I wrote. You are pathetic.
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Semantics.
Way to ignore the important part of what I wrote. You are pathetic.
Obama and the Dems saved the economy
that helped many people, myself included
from your statement below you sound like a paranoid delusional type
If you think that "politicians, banker and stock brokers" are are colluding to get everything they can before the "set a match to the whole thing" then I assume you must have converted your savings and 401k to gold/bullets/beef jerky and are headed out to your compound in Idaho to wait for them to light the match
"But, but, but, the stock market is doing great"
This was the exact same excuse the Republicans used before the bottom fell out of the economy. It's not legitimate. It's a bubble created by the .gov printing money among other things. It's all funny money. This thing is going to take a dive and it's going to be ugly.
Regardless of what political party you want to blame for it, this country is being fucking looted. Politicians, bankers and stock brokers are getting everything they can get before they set a match to the whole thing. The treasury, your savings accounts, 401k accounts, everything. Looted.
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Obama and the Dems saved the economy
that helped many people, myself included
from your statement below you sound like a paranoid delusional type
If you think that "politicians, banker and stock brokers" are are colluding to get everything they can before the "set a match to the whole thing" then I assume you must have converted your savings and 401k to gold/bullets/beef jerky and are headed out to your compound in Idaho to wait for them to light the match
Saved the economy for who?
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Saved the economy for who?
for everyone except you
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Obama and the Dems saved the economy
OMFG, bwahahahahaha
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OMFG, bwahahahahaha
yeah stock market is much worse then when he took office, real estate market is worse, UE peaked at 10% a few months after he took office and is now 7.6% (cue McWay to show up and stammer but but but Obama promised it would be 5.5%)
there will ALWAYS be people who piss and moan about how bad things are and there will also always be people who just deal with the situation and do the best they can.
There will also always be paranoid delusional freaks who think the collapse is coming any day, week or month
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yeah stock market is much worse then when he took office, real estate market is worse, UE peaked at 10% a few months after he took office and is now 7.6% (cue McWay to show up and stammer but but but Obama promised it would be 5.5%)
there will ALWAYS be people who piss and moan about how bad things are and there will also always be people who just deal with the situation and do the best they can.
There will also always be paranoid delusional freaks who think the collapse is coming any day, week or month
So I'll take that to mean that you think borrowing 40 cents of every dollar we spend is sound fiscal policy. Also you must think that monetizing 1 trillion dollars of debt every year is a good idea as well. What could go wrong, lol.
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So I'll take that to mean that you think borrowing 40 cents of every dollar we spend is sound fiscal policy. Also you must think that monetizing 1 trillion dollars of debt every year is a good idea as well. What could go wrong, lol.
so is that what you meant by
"Politicians, bankers and stock brokers are getting everything they can get before they set a match to the whole thing. The treasury, your savings accounts, 401k accounts, everything. Looted."
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yeah stock market is much worse then when he took office, real estate market is worse, UE peaked at 10% a few months after he took office and is now 7.6% (cue McWay to show up and stammer but but but Obama promised it would be 5.5%)
there will ALWAYS be people who piss and moan about how bad things are and there will also always be people who just deal with the situation and do the best they can.
There will also always be paranoid delusional freaks who think the collapse is coming any day, week or month
The stock market hasn't been an indication of economic health in decades, just look at the S&P performance from January of this year to now, they don't even give a fuck anymore and are blatantly rigging the system.
Secondly, any rational person realizes that things are "better" to some degree in "some" areas, but the policies that were put forth are ones that have not caused real sustained growth and revitalized a stagnant economy. The fed has been pumping $80b a month into the system for only marginally positive results, these policies are obviously unsustainable and when the free cash is pulled, the real trouble will come crashing through the door. There's no arguing for this as anyone can see that the choices made by this administration have not fixed the problems we're facing, they've only prolonged the inevitible, a major correction which will isn't a matter of if, but when.
The wise choice of action for anyone is to keep an eye on what's happening and protect your own interests.
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"But, but, but, the stock market is doing great"
This was the exact same excuse the Republicans used before the bottom fell out of the economy. It's not legitimate. It's a bubble created by the .gov printing money among other things. It's all funny money. This thing is going to take a dive and it's going to be ugly.
Regardless of what political party you want to blame for it, this country is being fucking looted. Politicians, bankers and stock brokers are getting everything they can get before they set a match to the whole thing. The treasury, your savings accounts, 401k accounts, everything. Looted.
All true
Take advantage of current opportunity
Fed is backstopping market
When party ends, sell short
Obama rules !!!!
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No wars started.
Economy much better than when he took office.
Damn i wish we had a republican in office.
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No wars started.
Economy much better than when he took office.
Damn i wish we had a republican in office.
it's all a ploy to keep us distracted while he works on his secret communist plot to collapse the country and make himself dictator for life
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it's all a ploy to keep us distracted while he works on his secret communist plot to collapse the country and make himself dictator for life
Funny how a commie dictator is doing a way better job than a christian capitalist.
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Don't forget, a "Kenyan born" commie dictator
That being said, I don't give a shit about the S and P, get gas prices down, get better paying jobs and decrease unemployment, lower health care cost. I don't care who does it, just do it.