This has come up before but I don't recall any conclusive answers that could be proven with actual scientific or medical information.
If Ronnie gets his blood checked every two months and also gets heart scans done during that time, both of which suggest he is in perfect health, why do people go on about him being so terribly unhealthy?
ok, so he gets up to 335 pounds in the offseason or something close to it - but how many obese people live to 60+? Lots of them. Sure, a lot die, but it's not like they're all dropping like flies. He may or may not do more roids than the next guy - my guess is that there are PLENTY of pros and amateurs and even recreational juicers out there doing just as much.
So why is he so unhealthy? His blood would suggest he is quite healthy based on self reports, so why does he run the risk of dropping dead any more than any other 41 year old with the same blood profile?
Don Youngblood had a sleep apnea, was a diagnosed diabetic, and had an angioplasty performed on him, and was still looking to make a comeback in 2006 at the age of 52. That is what causes harm I think - ignoring the writing on the wall. Ronnie has said he would not go on if his health was compromised. I personally think he is one of the healthier pros.
If he was going to die tomorrow, or anytime soon for that matter, wouldn't the test results suggest that?
we're all day-to-day.
medical tests show long-term issues and trends... but the good Lord punches our number when he's ready for us.
My guess is that it averages out.That's a good way to look at it. I agree.
Ronnie is probably about as healthy as your average 41-year old American.
He eats healthy, does cardio, and sleeps enough.
he uses steroids and lives at a bodyweight that makes his heart work a little harder.
It probably pretty much evens out... although Ronnie's quality of life is a tad better than the average American's. (most of us can't take Alti for a ride in our Bentley)
old black man skin forming all around his eyes.
Just last year Reggie White died and Teddy Bruschi had a stroke. They are required per their contracts to get regular checkups.
Body weight's key, probably why women outlive men. If he gets his weight down later the risk will be reduced.
RONNIE IS HEALTHY AS A COCK.
I predict a heart attack and/or massive kidney failure.
This has come up before but I don't recall any conclusive answers that could be proven with actual scientific or medical information.
If Ronnie gets his blood checked every two months and also gets heart scans done during that time, both of which suggest he is in perfect health, why do people go on about him being so terribly unhealthy?
ok, so he gets up to 335 pounds in the offseason or something close to it - but how many obese people live to 60+? Lots of them. Sure, a lot die, but it's not like they're all dropping like flies. He may or may not do more roids than the next guy - my guess is that there are PLENTY of pros and amateurs and even recreational juicers out there doing just as much.
So why is he so unhealthy? His blood would suggest he is quite healthy based on self reports, so why does he run the risk of dropping dead any more than any other 41 year old with the same blood profile?
Don Youngblood had a sleep apnea, was a diagnosed diabetic, and had an angioplasty performed on him, and was still looking to make a comeback in 2006 at the age of 52. That is what causes harm I think - ignoring the writing on the wall. Ronnie has said he would not go on if his health was compromised. I personally think he is one of the healthier pros.
My guess is that it averages out.
Ronnie is probably about as healthy as your average 41-year old American.
He eats healthy, does cardio, and sleeps enough.
he uses steroids and lives at a bodyweight that makes his heart work a little harder.
His heart works a little harder? Try... a LOT harder.
I predict he won't live to see his 60th birthday.
Anybody who believes that ronnie is not a health risk at 5'11'' and 300 LBS + must be a lunatic. He is putting tremendous pressure on his heart (which will need to work just as hard and cant' tell the difference between 300LBS of Fat or 300LBS of muscle)
You also really think that after years of GH it is only his muscles that grow? Dont forget intestines and internal organs, hence the gut.
Who knows what other shit he is using.He must lie in bed at night and think 'What the hell am I doing to myself' Any sane person would.
Ask yourself a question. If walking around at 300 LBS is not that dangerous and he is not concerned then why get yourself checked every 2 months?
I think Coleman is the best BB that ever lived but dont piss down my leg and tell me its raining. He aint healthy.
It's possible that Ronnie honestly doesn't take more than tons of 20 year juicers you see at the gym.
It wouldn't surprise me at all. He is a genetic freak.
Based on what we all saw in Jay's fridge, he probably takes a whole lot more.
Dude, there are no genes able to make a 5'11 guy weight 290 lbs, at 5% bodyfat. I think you're the one who's on drugs... ;)agreed, Matt you usally make a lot of sense but come on Ronnie takes a boatload just like everyone else at that level.
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It's possible that Ronnie honestly doesn't take more than tons of 20 year juicers you see at the gym.
It wouldn't surprise me at all. He is a genetic freak.
Based on what we all saw in Jay's fridge, he probably takes a whole lot more.
Yeah...I know he is on drugs, but I wouldn't doubt if he is on less than some other pros or that he goes off for longer periods or something like that. I also would bet that a guy in my gym who is 46 and has been juicing since he was 20 has probably done more in his lifetime than Ronnie.
Yeah, he probably does a boatload - but would he necessarily do more than tons of other people out there? People single him out health wise because he is the champ, and I don't think that's completely fair.
Certainly. But notice a lot of the guys who have come down with health problems (e.g., Mike Morris) haven't been even close to Ronnie's level? He isn't necessarily the least healthy just because he is the most competitive.
Also, Ronnie gets a full blood panel and scans for his heart and organs done every two months. He is on a pharmacy of vitamin supplements probably including beta blockers too. How many pros can make that claim?
I'm sure a lot of pros are like Tom Prince and get virtually no health checkups at all. From what I gathered, Tom had never bothered with it.
Some of u guys seem so busy to diss an awesome bodybuilder, but then again some of ya'll get worried about his health?
Am i missin' somethin' here ::)
Also, Ronnie gets a full blood panel and scans for his heart and organs done every two months. He is on a pharmacy of vitamin supplements probably including beta blockers too. How many pros can make that claim?
That's becuase they can't afford it.
I'd be willing to bet he's on less than you might think. Someone who's either been on for a long time with small consistant cycles will retain and gain much more than someone who takes alot for shorter cycles, so in retrospect...the person who's been on the longest with smaller cycles doesn't need much to get it back with more and better results!
This has come up before but I don't recall any conclusive answers that could be proven with actual scientific or medical information.
If Ronnie gets his blood checked every two months and also gets heart scans done during that time, both of which suggest he is in perfect health, why do people go on about him being so terribly unhealthy?
ok, so he gets up to 335 pounds in the offseason or something close to it - but how many obese people live to 60+? Lots of them. Sure, a lot die, but it's not like they're all dropping like flies. He may or may not do more roids than the next guy - my guess is that there are PLENTY of pros and amateurs and even recreational juicers out there doing just as much.
So why is he so unhealthy? His blood would suggest he is quite healthy based on self reports, so why does he run the risk of dropping dead any more than any other 41 year old with the same blood profile?
Don Youngblood had a sleep apnea, was a diagnosed diabetic, and had an angioplasty performed on him, and was still looking to make a comeback in 2006 at the age of 52. That is what causes harm I think - ignoring the writing on the wall. Ronnie has said he would not go on if his health was compromised. I personally think he is one of the healthier pros.
I absolutely, positively garantee you, that a man who weights a ripped 290 lbs, at a height of 5'11, is NOT on small doses of sauce. It is impossible. How can a human being synthesize that much muscle protein? People keep talking about genes, but Ronnie, like all other pro bodybuilders, does NOT have outstanding genetics for size! Having outstanding genetics, for size and for bodybuilding, are two very different things.
Greg Kovacs has outstanding genetics for size, but terrible genetics for bodybuilding. Sorry, dude, but a man at that height, with that frame, has to take GIGANTIC quantities of sauce to get that big. He has to induce muscle protein synthesis, through an increase in RNA-transcrypase, to a ridiculous degree to produce so much actin and myosin! This is logic, bro! Human beings are not bulls; we do NOT have the capacity, to synthesize hundreds of pounds of lean mass, by simply eating and training. To get so big, we MUST change our biochemistries, to a quite dramatic degree. You fool yourselves if you believe, that Ronnie got that big, by taking 200mg of Deca a week. You're delusional!
SUCKMYMUSCLE
If Ronnie gets his blood checked every two months and also gets heart scans done during that time, both of which suggest he is in perfect health, why do people go on about him being so terribly unhealthy?
The first easy and obvious question to your answer is jealously. Noone prior to Ronnie have built such an incredibly muscular, ripped physique. He's brought leg and glute development to levels unseen before and has conditioned himself to the point of near perfection.
The second reason people make idiotic statements about him being unhealthy is the Body Mass Index factor. This dumb "number" which takes into consideration your height and weight (with disreguard for any type of training you may persue) says that if you're above a certain number, you're OVERWEIGHT, and below a certain number you're underweight. Thus, using the BMI index for Ronnie he receives a score between 40 and 42. OBESE, according to this index, is a BMI of 30 or greater. Therefore, Ronnie is really a fat bastard, not a muscular sculpture.
Finally, ignorance. People enjoy skimming magazine articles, interviews and studies and make half-assed opinions based on conjecture and rumor. So, Ronnie is really a drug freak with some genetic predisposition to muscle who will soon die of heart failure, kidney disease, or liver failure - according to most idiots. The reality is that Ronnie is gifted genetically (watch his first video and his mothers biceps - a woman who DOES NOT WORK OUT), trains harder than anyone on the planet, and eats correctly.
The guy is the king, and boldly made that statement last year, and he's correct. Until he decides it's time to step down, he'll never be beaten.
Oh and by the way - why hasn't anyone attacked Fat Jay Cutler's health? His was the most distended belly on that stage, surpassing even Markus Ruhl whos gut was in control!
Ronnie has that old black man skin forming all around his eyes. Not sure if that's health related or just genetic. Other than that, he's at just as much risk as the next guy when it comes to gear usage. I'm sure considering his size and his noted metabolic functions though, he seems to be handling the shit quite well.Speaking of his eyes...in some of the most recent pics of Ronnie ,the whites of his eyes are yellow with a blood shot overtone....not a good sign.
Speaking of his eyes...in some of the most recent pics of Ronnie ,the whites of his eyes are yellow with a blood shot overtone....not a good sign.
Thing i'd worry about mainly is my joints at that weight. OUCH!
I've been to every Mr."O" expo here in Vegas. I remember a few years back seeing Kovacs and Trevor Smith both sitting at the booths with sweat just pouring off their faces . Kovac's old lady kept wiping him off with a rag and Trevor's wife kept handing him paper towels. I was talking to Trevor and without turning around or anything he would just reach out his hand and his wife would hand him towel....crazy!
probably from DNPI don't want to sound too stupid.....it's not clink'n....DNP ??
probably from DNPyup
I don't want to sound too stupid.....it's not clink'n....DNP ??
he lookz healthy to me
2,4-dinitrophenol to be exactNICE....I had thought that it could be a blood pressure thing...maybe brought on by that DNP ???
the first and best "diet pill"....overdose, and its a fine line, and you're dead
Indeed
Then you really see who the man is, not the chemist.
Parrot
tell me about it.
Tell me that "drugfree" pic is Photoshopped. I'd love to see an Olympia where everyone is clean. Then you really see who the man is, not the chemist.
Parrot
not only your joints
Oh my God, the alien queen is coming out! :o :o :o(picture of Ronnie with his distended belly)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
I first noticed on BFTO 05 that Ronnie had Jaundice, a sign that his liver was not functioning properly. Ronnie took massive doses of bodybuilding drugs with no regards to his health, and there will be consequences.
YES and he's the only one who has done this ::)
Getting tired after posing is just not normal. Sorry, but I regularly run half-marathons in around 90 minutes, and I never needed an oxygen tank when I finish it! Ronnie has TERRIBLE health!
SUCKMYMUSCLE
This has come up before but I don't recall any conclusive answers that could be proven with actual scientific or medical information.
If Ronnie gets his blood checked every two months and also gets heart scans done during that time, both of which suggest he is in perfect health, why do people go on about him being so terribly unhealthy?
ok, so he gets up to 335 pounds in the offseason or something close to it - but how many obese people live to 60+? Lots of them. Sure, a lot die, but it's not like they're all dropping like flies. He may or may not do more roids than the next guy - my guess is that there are PLENTY of pros and amateurs and even recreational juicers out there doing just as much.
So why is he so unhealthy? His blood would suggest he is quite healthy based on self reports, so why does he run the risk of dropping dead any more than any other 41 year old with the same blood profile?
Don Youngblood had a sleep apnea, was a diagnosed diabetic, and had an angioplasty performed on him, and was still looking to make a comeback in 2006 at the age of 52. That is what causes harm I think - ignoring the writing on the wall. Ronnie has said he would not go on if his health was compromised. I personally think he is one of the healthier pros.
There are consequences for EVERYONE that abuses drugs. Just because they look okay on the outside, doesn't mean they are in good health. These guys are basically walking experiments since their drug use is unprecedented.
Name a few professor. Don't forget to post the scientific evidence.
You missed the part where I said their drug use was unprecedented. There is no literature on this type of drug use nor will there be. This type of pharmacological use has no place or use in medicine. And ALL drugs have side effects. When used in the levels these BBs use at, their is no doubt some serious consequences to be had, but time will be the only accurate judge.
Tell me why i don't experience negative side-effects? Am i special?
Or will it finish me off in the long run ? ::)
If Ronnie gets his blood checked every two months and also gets heart scans done during that time, both of which suggest he is in perfect health, why do people go on about him being so terribly unhealthy?
Why do you think Ronnie was/is on several prescription medications (as he showed in his last video)? They are to counter all the negative side effects of his massive drug cocktail. You are obviously in denial because of your own use.
First off there is no fucking way Ronnie is getting lab tests and heart scans done on a regular basis. No way. Most bodybuilders do not take their health all that seriously. You'd be surprised. Secondly, you bet your ass Ronnie already has serious health problems from all his years of bodybuilding. ALL pros do. I guarantee you he's on thyroid medication, blood pressure meds, and HRT for the rest of his fucking life. Modern medicine is amazing. He will probably live to be 70 years old with all the science and technology at his disposal these days. Hell he could have complete renal failure and get dialysis three times a week and you'd never know the difference. Serious health problems can be hidden pretty easily these days as well. Some of you guys on here must be fucking young and VERY naive when it comes to health and the human body. These pros are dealing with a lot of health problems. Some serious some not so much. Even with all the medical technology things can get missed.thanks for the post Doctor McMannus. ::)
First off there is no fucking way Ronnie is getting lab tests and heart scans done on a regular basis. No way. Most bodybuilders do not take their health all that seriously. You'd be surprised. Secondly, you bet your ass Ronnie already has serious health problems from all his years of bodybuilding. ALL pros do. I guarantee you he's on thyroid medication, blood pressure meds, and HRT for the rest of his fucking life. Modern medicine is amazing. He will probably live to be 70 years old with all the science and technology at his disposal these days. Hell he could have complete renal failure and get dialysis three times a week and you'd never know the difference. Serious health problems can be hidden pretty easily these days as well. Some of you guys on here must be fucking young and VERY naive when it comes to health and the human body. These pros are dealing with a lot of health problems. Some serious some not so much. Even with all the medical technology things can get missed.
You will be suprised to see how much punishment a human body can take.
we're all day-to-day.
medical tests show long-term issues and trends... but the good Lord punches our number when he's ready for us.