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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => History - Stories - and Memories => Craig Titus & Kelly Ryan Discussions => Topic started by: Mussolini on December 29, 2005, 10:55:39 PM
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Many on this board and even Bob Chicherillo on fox mentioned Rec drugs and used inuendo to insinuate Craig was heavily into rec drugs at the time of his arrest. Is this just speculation because of his lack of size, or is there any proof? Any witnesses?
I just think it is a little unfair to accuse Craig of this unless we have better evidence than him being down in size.
Mabey he went clean and didnt train or eat properly?
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and maybe he torched a body in the back of his wife's car
SG ::)
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and maybe he torched a body in the back of his wife's car
SG ::)
So according to your logic anyone who looses weight must use rec drugs? ::)
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There's been no denial by anyone on this board (including their most ardent defenders) that Craig & Kelly lived a pretty rough lifestyle, which included recreational drugs, non-traditional sexual practices, and more.
Those elements of their life could play a key role in their defense, as their attorney will demonstrate that they were mitigating factors in anything the couple may have done.
If character witnesses are called, they'll be asked to vouch for the fact that Craig & Kelly had a certain familiarity with party drugs.
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Craig had been chain smoking for about 6 months now.
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Craig had been chain smoking for about 6 months now.
You A R E kidding right . . . (seriously)
No F'ing way.
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There's been no denial by anyone on this board (including their most ardent defenders) that Craig & Kelly lived a pretty rough lifestyle, which included recreational drugs, non-traditional sexual practices, and more.
Those elements of their life could play a key role in their defense, as their attorney will demonstrate that they were mitigating factors in anything the couple may have done.
If character witnesses are called, they'll be asked to vouch for the fact that Craig & Kelly had a certainly familiarity with party drugs.
If they are called they better be prepared to say they saw them using and not just heresay. Everyone on this board "knows" they use but how many of use have actually witnessed it.
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You A R E kidding right . . . (seriously)
No F'ing way.
Very true.
Craig was a 2 pack a day guy since this summer.
Meth is a hell of a drug
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chick did good on tv and stuck to the script about their drug use
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Very true.
Craig was a 2 pack a day guy since this summer.
Meth is a hell of a drug
Are you serious?
Again why say " Meth is a hell of a drug" unless you have proof Craig was using.
Im not saying you were wrong, but how do you know about his meth use and chain smoking, or did you just here about it on here?
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Chick should have kept his mouth shut about their recreational drug use. As athlete rep. he should never speak negative about someone he represents. As athlete rep. he should be trying to disspell any rumors of drug use by any athlete (recreational or supplemental)
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If you require fiction, stick with Flex and Iron Age. I'd prefer to know what's actually happening.
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Are you serious?
Again why say " Meth is a hell of a drug" unless you have proof Craig was using.
Im not saying you were wrong, but how do you know about his meth use and chain smoking, or did you just here about it on here?
I've spoken with enough people on the phone that detailed meetings with Craig for 'business' purposes to know that it's a pretty safe assumption.
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How can you be an athlete rep. and throw someone under the bus on national tv. I have know doubts that they did rec. drugs but you don't talk about it on national tv, and I may be wrong but didn't CT sign for Shawn and Bob to be athlete reps and these to men are the only 2 pros commenting on this story.....GO FIGURE....SHAWN AND BOB TALKING BAD ABOUT SOMEONE.
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Yeah bro I heard the same, but did not know it was f' in 2 packs a day damn.
Meth is very bad, can't believe craig was even holding on at 225lbs.
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Dude, where have you been? You obviously have never been to one of the "extravaganzas" that Titus has thrown. Well before the arrest Titus was using rec drugs. Bob was very accurate, no innuendo there.
deeznutz
Your right I havent been to a Titus after party, but I remember when Ron Harris wrote an article on the Titus after party he attended and talked about drugs being there, which really pissed off Titus.
So you are saying that "Titus was a rec drug user long before the arrest because you saw him do drugs at one of his parties"?
240- so meth was his poison of choice?
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240- so meth was his poison of choice?
that's the WORD on the street.
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befit-
Craig is NOT an active member of the IFBB.
I don't "represent" Craig as an individual, even if he was in the IFBB...I represent the ATHLETES as a collective group.
I'm not asked to be on these shows to represent Craig or Kelly, or to defend them (thats their lawyers job). I'm asked to give MY opinion and insight on the matter, from MY perspective.
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It's not easy going on live TV anyway. Good job Chick.
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befit-
Craig is NOT an active member of the IFBB.
I don't "represent" Craig as an individual, even if he was in the IFBB...I represent the ATHLETES as a collective group.
I'm not asked to be on these shows to represent Craig or Kelly, or to defend them (thats their lawyers job). I'm asked to give MY opinion and insight on the matter, from MY perspective.
Chick, you're handling this case like a stone cold pro.
I must admit, I cannot criticize a single move you've made so far in this.
Keep up the good work!
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Bob has done an outstanding job, which everyone seems to concur on.
I don't think I have read one single negative post about how he has handled this situation in the press.
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Most bodybuilders I know that use drugs recreationally, usually start with painkillers due to the heavy stress put on their joints and whole body for that mater. They feel great and are able to train harder with more wieght and no pain. Now the payback. Painkillers are highly addictive and it doesn't take long when a seeming necessity becomes full blown addiction. You hurt you pop a few more pills, thinking you can stop when ever you want right, wrong. Vicodan quickly become percodan, than oxycontin and at around .50 - 1.00 per milligram, you have a very expensive habit that can only be supported by dealing. In time you can't get the oxycontin and their's no vacation for an addiction, so someone tells you heroin is practically the same thing. It basically is so no your a full blown junkie without even trying. That's the sad part about pharmaceuticals you legally get than quickly turn into something less than legal. It becomes so bad you need a dose just to put your shoes on and shave. Your whole life becomes getting high and getting tomorrows dose, than you can get on with what's left of a broken down life. No one starts out and says "I think I'll become a junkie". When you play with fire...... The ONLY smart thing to do is don't use. Like the old saying goes. One's too many and a thousand aren't enough. How true.
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Two paks a day? Interesting. Heavy into rec drug at the time of the arrest? Interesting.
Once again, rumors that are circulating even there is no facts, rhyme or reason. Yes, in the party scene and at the after parties, there were people who looked they were having fun, but Craig was a businessman during these parties.
You may think they were all fun and games, but you needed to shell out money, calculate how many peopel came via the door, make sure the expenses are paid with the appropriate club owners, and handle any problems. When I went to these parties, Craig wasnt on stuff. He was handling lots of situations, from people who wanted to get in for free, to ticket sales, to people who wanted friends to come in, to just talking with people. You needed to be sharp for that so you don't lose out on your investment in these parties.
And of course, there are people who have come and said that they did party heavily and have some fun. And so have many others in this industry, in the Hollywood scene, and in any other sport too.
Don't forget. We only know one side of the story. In time, we will find out the rest.
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I tempered my words - you never know how many others here
would ever make the horrendous decision to smoke cigarettes.
V E R Y BAD habit for anyone much less *world class* athletes . . .
Un f!!cking beleivably dumb series of life choices for Craig the dumbass!
Certainly not many (I f!!cking hope) at this high a of level
of competive acheivments use tobacco products, WTF man!
No wonder Craig (and Kelly both) look like utter sh!t ! ! !
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I'm not defending or condemning anyone. I am keeping an open mind. I'm sure justice will be done. Bob said defense is the lawyers job, well so is prosecution. I just think people shouldn't make comments on national tv about drug use when they are not so squeaky clean themselves. By law steroids and recreational drugs are classified the same. Any drug use in bodybuilding should never be mentioned. One type of use brings attention to the use of the other. I agree that Bob did a very professional job and has done a good job as rep., I just feel the drug comment was not necessary. I applaud the other pros for not commenting on this.
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you're absolutely right....except that steroids are legal by Dr. script....tough to get a Dr. to legally prescribe meth, coke, heroin, nubain, etc.
Keep in mind...I'm a lot closer to the action than you are, and know many people that are mutual friends/ aquaintences of C and K....I've also made note on national TV, that C and K will have their day in court...
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I just think people shouldn't make comments on national tv about drug use when they are not so squeaky clean themselves. By law steroids and recreational drugs are classified the same.
Maybe "by law" they're the same, but IN REALITY they're very different. Steroid use and recreational drug use aren't even close to being the same thing, and anyone who thinks they are is either a kid or someone who is ill-informed and ignorant of the reality of the situation.
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I agree with you both 100% , these are just the thoughts of someone being open-minded. I'm not trying to trash anyone, just exspressing one persons opinion.
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By the way, I met Craig and Melissa in Panama City whaen he was guest posing. I met them at Club LaVELA during the after party.
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you're absolutely right....except that steroids are legal by Dr. script....tough to get a Dr. to legally prescribe meth, coke, heroin, nubain, etc.
Keep in mind...I'm a lot closer to the action than you are, and know many people that are mutual friends/ aquaintences of C and K....I've also made note on national TV, that C and K will have their day in court...
I would agree Chick except Nubain is not very hard to get from a Doc, atleast here in Canada its not.
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Two paks a day? Interesting. Heavy into rec drug at the time of the arrest? Interesting.
Once again, rumors that are circulating even there is no facts, rhyme or reason. Yes, in the party scene and at the after parties, there were people who looked they were having fun, but Craig was a businessman during these parties.
You may think they were all fun and games, but you needed to shell out money, calculate how many peopel came via the door, make sure the expenses are paid with the appropriate club owners, and handle any problems. When I went to these parties, Craig wasnt on stuff. He was handling lots of situations, from people who wanted to get in for free, to ticket sales, to people who wanted friends to come in, to just talking with people. You needed to be sharp for that so you don't lose out on your investment in these parties.
And of course, there are people who have come and said that they did party heavily and have some fun. And so have many others in this industry, in the Hollywood scene, and in any other sport too.
Don't forget. We only know one side of the story. In time, we will find out the rest.
Ron: The thing is that even if Craig was an addict, you'd never know it. Like I said, they must have their daily fix, wheather it be nubian, Rx painkillers, meth coke or whatever just to maintain a sence of normalicy. When an addicts not using they look really out of it. When on, their normal and functional, but that all crashes sooner or later, as we all know.
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The only way to get any drug for bodybuilding or rec. use from a doctor is for someone to LIE. That is illegal.
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I went to the 2002 Mr. O after party and Craig did seem normal. When he was competing he probably only did cocaine and nubain, you can still sleep and function on those, plus cocaine dehydrates the body, helping him look more ripped. Then sometime after the Ironman he started doing crystal meth and smoking cigarettes. There is no way he was taking crystal while training for a competiton because he wouldn't be able to sleep and would have no appetite.
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The only way to get any drug for bodybuilding or rec. use from a doctor is for someone to LIE. That is illegal.
Of course, if the only one who knows you're lying is you, and you aren't stupid enough to tell anyone you're lying, and there isn't any way to conclusively prove you're lying, it doesn't really matter, does it?
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I would agree Chick except Nubain is not very hard to get from a Doc, atleast here in Canada its not.
That's because unlike any other opiate it's not a controlled substance (meaning, not scheduled by the DEA). The pharm company that makes it sold the government a bill of goods and convinced them it's not addictive. As a result, it is much easier to get, and does not carry the legal ramifications that a scheduled substance would.
Read on:
Once upon a time, nalbuphine was a controlled substance. Like most other opiates, it fell within Schedule II of the Controlled Substances Act (21 U.S.C. § 812) as a drug deemed to have a high potential for abuse that may lead to severe psychological or physical dependence. But in 1973, a pharmaceutical company looking to make money marketing the drug made a pitch claiming that nalbuphine did not have sufficient potential for abuse to justify its continued control. They made an appealing case. Like morphine, nalbuphine is a painkiller that exerts agonistic or stimulating effects on the body's opiate receptors. But unlike morphine, nalbuphine is also an antagonist or blocker to certain opiate receptors. The result of this mixed agonist/antagonist character is a built-in "ceiling" or safety net that provides a mild analgesic effect without the euphoria or potential for deadly overdose associated with morphine and other opiates. This self-inhibiting and non-toxic character makes nalbuphine significantly less attractive to typical drug addicts. Accordingly, nalbuphine can be argued to be much less addictive than other opiates. Well, the FDA bought the argument. They recommended to the DEA that nalbuphine be removed entirely from the schedules of controlled substances, conveniently paving the way for the drug company's profits. The DEA obliged, and to this day nalbuphine remains specifically excluded from the list (see 21 C.F.R. § 1308.12). The DEA just doesn't view it as a drug of abuse.
(from steroid.com)
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i dont know any sides to this story that
why i ask dumb questions
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Dumb crooks :)
April 2005; Rogersville, Tennessee: Hawkins County authorities were tipped off to two would-be burglars' plans to steal a refrigerator from a mobile home dealership when a cell phone one of the crooks was carrying in his front pocket relayed a 40-minute-long discussion about the upcoming heist to 911 dispatchers. (The phone was of a type that automatically calls 911 when the '9' key is held down.) Sheriff's deputies hid in the woods near the dealership and nabbed the hapless thieves as they exited one of the mobile homes with a refrigerator and set it on the ground outside.
March 1997; San Diego, California: Trying to call Mexico, a drug dealer dialed 911 instead of 011. Though he hung up when the emergency services operator answered, a police patrol was dispatched to his address. Four bad guys were arrested and 42 lbs. of marijuana and 2 oz. of methamphetamine were seized.
February 1996; Frederick, Maryland: A lad called 911 to report the shed he was growing marijuana in was on fire. He got 60 days.
August 1996; Los Angeles, California: Yet another failed attempt to call Mexico netted this drug dealer a visit from John Law. A gun, $15,000 and a 3 lb. bag of powdered cocaine were discovered at this fellow's house.
February 1994; Laguna Nigel, California: A man programming his phone to speed-dial 911 (Huh? The number is that hard to remember?) was arrested when sheriff's deputies responded to his call. He and his two buddies appeared to be under the influence of crystal methamphetamine and drug paraphernalia was found in the apartment, so the three of them were placed under arrest.
February 1990; San Diego, California: A phone programmed to automatically dial 911 when bumped or dropped gave this set of crooks away. Police discovered 250-300 marijuana plants growing in the house they'd been sent to investigate.
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Keep in mind...I'm a lot closer to the action than you are, and know many people that are mutual friends/ aquaintences of C and K....I've also made note on national TV, that C and K will have their day in court...
Well I don't how much more you know than some others here. I saw an interview and you seemed not to know anything. Maybe ask some of these other people you know for answers then next time you are interviewed you will be able to say someting better than "I don't know". Other than that you sounded good.
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Dumb crooks :)
April 2005; Rogersville, Tennessee: Hawkins County authorities were tipped off to two would-be burglars' plans to steal a refrigerator from a mobile home dealership when a cell phone one of the crooks was carrying in his front pocket relayed a 40-minute-long discussion about the upcoming heist to 911 dispatchers. (The phone was of a type that automatically calls 911 when the '9' key is held down.) Sheriff's deputies hid in the woods near the dealership and nabbed the hapless thieves as they exited one of the mobile homes with a refrigerator and set it on the ground outside.
March 1997; San Diego, California: Trying to call Mexico, a drug dealer dialed 911 instead of 011. Though he hung up when the emergency services operator answered, a police patrol was dispatched to his address. Four bad guys were arrested and 42 lbs. of marijuana and 2 oz. of methamphetamine were seized.
February 1996; Frederick, Maryland: A lad called 911 to report the shed he was growing marijuana in was on fire. He got 60 days.
August 1996; Los Angeles, California: Yet another failed attempt to call Mexico netted this drug dealer a visit from John Law. A gun, $15,000 and a 3 lb. bag of powdered cocaine were discovered at this fellow's house.
February 1994; Laguna Nigel, California: A man programming his phone to speed-dial 911 (Huh? The number is that hard to remember?) was arrested when sheriff's deputies responded to his call. He and his two buddies appeared to be under the influence of crystal methamphetamine and drug paraphernalia was found in the apartment, so the three of them were placed under arrest.
February 1990; San Diego, California: A phone programmed to automatically dial 911 when bumped or dropped gave this set of crooks away. Police discovered 250-300 marijuana plants growing in the house they'd been sent to investigate.
December 2005; Las Vegas, Nevada: After killing their roommate, two pro bodybuilders think it would be a good idea to dispose of the body by burning it in their own car, after purchasing the accelerant in a store using their own credit card, and enlisting the help of a 23-year-old kid (just in case there weren't enough people who could testify against them). Then, after realizing the jig is up and deciding to flee the country, they proceed to tell at least a dozen people of their plans and where they are heading, purchase a flashy new truck, and use their own cell phones to repeatedly call the person they are coming to see, a person the police would never think to have under surveillance, since he is the best friend of one of the criminals. ::)
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befit-
Craig is NOT an active member of the IFBB.
I don't "represent" Craig as an individual, even if he was in the IFBB...I represent the ATHLETES as a collective group.
I'm not asked to be on these shows to represent Craig or Kelly, or to defend them (thats their lawyers job). I'm asked to give MY opinion and insight on the matter, from MY perspective.
In this business Bob, you know one day you can be an active member if the IFBB....take 2-3 years off & then come back for a contest.
What makes one an "active" member of the IFBB to receive your representation as a collective group?
Is Sheri on that collective group you're talking about?
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very well put
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In this business Bob, you know one day you can be an active member if the IFBB....take 2-3 years off & then come back for a contest.
What makes one an "active" member of the IFBB to receive your representation as a collective group?
Is Sheri on that collective group you're talking about?
What makes one an "active" member of the IFBB, is one who fills out the yearly application and sends in their annual dues with it....Craig himself said in his interview on Pro bodybuilding weekly some time ago, that he was done competing in the IFBB, and was starting his own federation...which he later said he had nothing to do with the WPI, and then subsequently, reversed himself again trying to solicit perspective members (go figure)
Neither Craig nor Kelly had wished to be a part of the IFBB any longer, and didn't renew their membership into the club....thus the phrase "ACTIVE MEMBER".
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Neither Craig nor Kelly had wished to be a part of the IFBB any longer, and didn't renew their membership into the club....thus the phrase "ACTIVE MEMBER".
So neither of them paid 2005 IFBB dues?
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No, neither paid their 2006 dues...the 2005 season ended after the Olympia for all intent and purpose. The 2006 renewels were due a month ago.
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What makes one an "active" member of the IFBB, is one who fills out the yearly application and sends in their annual dues with it....Craig himself said in his interview on Pro bodybuilding weekly some time ago, that he was done competing in the IFBB, and was starting his own federation...which he later said he had nothing to do with the WPI, and then subsequently, reversed himself again trying to solicit perspective members (go figure)
Neither Craig nor Kelly had wished to be a part of the IFBB any longer, and didn't renew their membership into the club....thus the phrase "ACTIVE MEMBER".
Granted he did make a mistake and did possibly kill someone. With that aside that is the smartest thing to do. He just got tired of being abused by the IFBB. Lee Priest cries about this over and over and Paul Dillett cried but did they do anything about it? At least Craig Titus did something about it or at least tried. Ohh well i doubt shit will change with the IFBB the select few will make good bread and the others well lets just say they will use multiple avenues to make their rent and still live hand to foot.
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Granted he did make a mistake and did possibly kill someone. With that aside that is the smartest thing to do. He just got tired of being abused by the IFBB. Lee Priest cries about this over and over and Paul Dillett cried but did they do anything about it? At least Craig Titus did something about it or at least tried. Ohh well i doubt shit will change with the IFBB the select few will make good bread and the others well lets just say they will use multiple avenues to make their rent and still live hand to foot.
"Made a Mistake"??????
A mistake is making a left instead of a right at the intersection...murder isn't a mistake.
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"Made a Mistake"??????
A mistake is making a left instead of a right at the intersection...murder isn't a mistake.
what about manslaughter to a degree
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Even if Craig & Kelly didn't pay their memberships....
which would have excluded them from the 06 season.....
who's to say they couldn't come back in the 07 season?
My point is again...in this business....people come & go...then come back again.
Now that they have alot more on their plate....all we can just do a spew out a bunch of "what if's".
Another thing....Craig is a little shaky. We all know that. Atleast he had an ambition to start his own legitimate scam just like the Weider's & even Vince Mc Mahon.
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No, neither paid their 2006 dues...the 2005 season ended after the Olympia for all intent and purpose. The 2006 renewels were due a month ago.
Hmmmmm.... Goatboy senses some tapdancing going on here.
It seems Craig & Kelly paid their 2005 dues, and 2005 isn't over yet.
So much for "representing the members" and "accurately portraying the facts", huh? ;D ;D
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appears IFBB dont want the appearance of any association to these two
how dare the challange the status quo
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Another thing....Craig is a little shaky. We all know that. Atleast he had an ambition to start his own legitimate scam just like the Weider's & even Vince Mc Mahon.
Ambitious he is. Smart he isn't.
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I believe the charges are murder/ accessory to murder...not manslaughter.
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I believe the charges are murder/ accessory to murder...not manslaughter.
why dont you bring up the fact that craig was a heavy steroid user as well as a hevey rec drug user instead of just a rec.. drug user?
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was craig a heavy steroid user ?
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I believe the charges are murder/ accessory to murder...not manslaughter.
they've also been charged with....
no representation from the IFBB
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Bottom line:
Craig and Kelly were coke & meth users.
They were burning bridges faster than Sherman in Atlanta.
They killed, burned, lied, and fled.
They got caught and now they're being arrogant.
They're not bodybuilders, they're not steroid abusers, they're not athletes or IFBB members.
They're criminals, drug users, drug dealers, and killers.
Period.
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Bottom line:
Craig and Kelly were coke & meth users.
They were burning bridges faster than Sherman in Atlanta.
They killed, burned, lied, and fled.
They got caught and now they're being arrogant.
They're not bodybuilders, they're not steroid abusers, they're not athletes or IFBB members.
They're criminals, drug users, drug dealers, and killers.
Period.
how do you know their not steroid dealers! and im sure they used way more steroids in thier lifetime then recreational drugs! jeeeez be realistic!
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Bottom line:
Craig and Kelly were coke & meth users.
They were burning bridges faster than Sherman in Atlanta.
They killed, burned, lied, and fled.
They got caught and now they're being arrogant.
They're not bodybuilders, they're not steroid abusers, they're not athletes or IFBB members.
They're criminals, drug users, drug dealers, and killers.
Period.
"freecraigtitus", huh?
Amazing how your tone changes once the site got sold. ;D
PS: Why are you licking Bob's rectum every chance you get?
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"freecraigtitus", huh?
Amazing how your tone changes once the site got sold. ;D
PS: Why are you licking Bob's rectum every chance you get?
read the site. It was 75% stories about Craig's problems and past. The site did nothing to put him in a positive light.
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240 you're BACK! :o
You nailed it kid, as sad as the post reads, you're on the money son.
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240 you're BACK! :o
You nailed it kid, as sad as the post reads, you're on the money son.
I like how that clip says "bodybuilder caught"
it's almost like they bagged a deer or caught a large mouth bass
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Many on this board and even Bob Chicherillo on fox mentioned Rec drugs and used inuendo to insinuate Craig was heavily into rec drugs at the time of his arrest. Is this just speculation because of his lack of size, or is there any proof? Any witnesses?
I just think it is a little unfair to accuse Craig of this unless we have better evidence than him being down in size.
Mabey he went clean and didnt train or eat properly?
He loved to stain his nostrils with Colombian chalk, Mussolini. :-\
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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You know what Chick should have done. He should have blamed the whole incident on a product made by one of Pinnacle's major competitors. I mean he could have they devour tons of Cell-Tech and even more Hydroxycut or something like that. It would have brought those products down the governmebt would ban them. Man you had a chance. And you could also have said because they watch Dodgeball that morning that got all hyped up and just wanted to kill somebody. Video sales would go out the roof.
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You know what Chick should have done. He should have blamed the whole incident on a product made by one of Pinnacle's major competitors. I mean he could have they devour tons of Cell-Tech and even more Hydroxycut or something like that. It would have brought those products down the governmebt would ban them. Man you had a chance. And you could also have said because they watch Dodgeball that morning that got all hyped up and just wanted to kill somebody. Video sales would go out the roof.
I guess people who new them say that so I will not argue.
I just didnt think it was fair to assume that without sufficietn evidence.
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I cant believe the guys a fucking smoker :-\
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I cant believe the guys a fucking smoker :-\
and yet he was 200 times bigger than you, interesting.
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and yet he was 200 times bigger than you, interesting.
Are u down-syndrome?
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Are u down-syndrome?
nope, just honest.
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How can you be an athlete rep. and throw someone under the bus on national tv. I have know doubts that they did rec. drugs but you don't talk about it on national tv, and I may be wrong but didn't CT sign for Shawn and Bob to be athlete reps and these to men are the only 2 pros commenting on this story.....GO FIGURE....SHAWN AND BOB TALKING BAD ABOUT SOMEONE.
Because the "athlete rep" thing is a make believe title. There is no real union, hence, no viable "athlete rep."
Bodybuilding is neither a sport or an industry and thus these job titles mean nothing. It's would be like having a "contestant rep" for beauty contestants, aside from the fact that the whole beauty contest thing is about 10,000 times bigger than bodybuilding.
The whole bodybuilding cumunity thinks "bodybuilding" is far more than it is. It's an uncoordinated, unorganized sideshow. And that is all it will ever be.
It is and will remain an embarrassing Saturday night event in dark high school auditoriums.
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We still don't even know what happened. Did Craig strangle her? Did Kelly flip out and kill her only to have Craig's criminal mind figure out this great getaway plan. It will be interesting to read the indictments and see how the DA describes it from start to capture. The defence will try to pick holes in the DA's opening statement and with no witness, except for a man and his wife, who can't be made to testify against each other, it's all speculation and will be. Now to find 12 of his peers to sit on a jury will probably be one of the most interestings things to open up a trail since trying to find 12 of Michael Jackson's peers. Will bodybuilders be excluded. I hope not as we have alot more insight on the inner goings on in the head's of bodybuilders than an ole lady who will think steroids must of made him do it and that will be all she's going to hear. If they are tried separately, than finding 24 will be more of a problem than anyone knows.
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Now to find 12 of his peers to sit on a jury will probably be one of the most interestings things to open up a trail since trying to find 12 of Michael Jackson's peers. Will bodybuilders be excluded. I hope not as we have alot more insight on the inner goings on in the head's of bodybuilders than an ole lady who will think steroids must of made him do it and that will be all she's going to hear. If they are tried separately, than finding 24 will be more of a problem than anyone knows.
Peers certainly doesn't mean that they have to be exactly like Craig and Kelly. Being a bodybuilder won't exclude you or include you. Are meth users their peers? Are swingers their peers?
When a CEO of a major corporation goes on trial are his peers other CEOs?
Their peers are anyone that meets the requirements to sit on a jury. Bodybuilding doesn't factor in either way as to a peer.
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Bottom line:
Craig and Kelly were coke & meth users.
They were burning bridges faster than Sherman in Atlanta.
They killed, burned, lied, and fled.
They got caught and now they're being arrogant.
They're not bodybuilders, they're not steroid abusers, they're not athletes or IFBB members.
They're criminals, drug users, drug dealers, and killers.
Period.
No. They ARE bodybuilders, they ARE steroid abusers, they are NOT athletes, they ARE IFBB members.
They're criminals, drug users, drug dealers, and killers.
Period.
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Because the "athlete rep" thing is a make believe title. There is no real union, hence, no viable "athlete rep."
Bodybuilding is neither a sport or an industry and thus these job titles mean nothing. It's would be like having a "contestant rep" for beauty contestants, aside from the fact that the whole beauty contest thing is about 10,000 times bigger than bodybuilding.
The whole bodybuilding cumunity thinks "bodybuilding" is far more than it is. It's an uncoordinated, unorganized sideshow. And that is all it will ever be.
It is and will remain an embarrassing Saturday night event in dark high school auditoriums.
...which begs the question, WHY ARE YOU ON A BODYBUILDING WEBSITE, AND HAVE 176 POSTS???
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...which begs the question, WHY ARE YOU ON A BODYBUILDING WEBSITE, AND HAVE 176 POSTS???
Someone has to bring a least a resemblance of reality in here.
177 posts now.
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No. They ARE bodybuilders, they ARE steroid abusers, they are NOT athletes, they ARE IFBB members.
Craig was a 200-pound chainsmoking methhead when captured.
Why are you saying steroid abuser, and not meth abuser?
Also, they are NOT IFBB members- they denounced the IFBB to start theie own federation.
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Quality posts (thoughts and valid viewpoints)
OR quantity of post (many ill' thought BS)
?Hmmmm?
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Bottom line:
Craig and Kelly were coke & meth users.
They were burning bridges faster than Sherman in Atlanta.
They killed, burned, lied, and fled.
They got caught and now they're being arrogant.
They're not bodybuilders, they're not steroid abusers, they're not athletes or IFBB members.
They're criminals, drug users, drug dealers, and killers.
Period.
W O W Man!
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doing whatever it takes to look "good"(even though you end up looking worse),
doing whatever it takes to keep a degenerate husband satisfied(even though you lose your soul doing it),
doing whatever it takes to stay in the public eye(even though you end up looking like a fool),
doing whatever it takes to make money(even if it means ripping off people),
doing whatever it takes to keep your secrets quiet(even if it means killing somebody,
doing whatever it takes to hide evidence (albeit in the most stupid way possible)
live by the sword, die by the sword
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I never wanted to kill somebody when I was rolling.
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Someone has to bring a least a resemblance of reality in here.
177 posts now.
Thank you.
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nope, just honest.
ahaha...good one.
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I never wanted to kill somebody when I was rolling.
Nobody, except for a true sociopath, ever wants to kill someone...
... but sometimes it becomes necessary.
And sometimes, if you're a hothead like Tutus, it just happens.
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Because the "athlete rep" thing is a make believe title. There is no real union, hence, no viable "athlete rep."
Bodybuilding is neither a sport or an industry and thus these job titles mean nothing. It's would be like having a "contestant rep" for beauty contestants, aside from the fact that the whole beauty contest thing is about 10,000 times bigger than bodybuilding.
The whole bodybuilding cumunity thinks "bodybuilding" is far more than it is. It's an uncoordinated, unorganized sideshow. And that is all it will ever be.
It is and will remain an embarrassing Saturday night event in dark high school auditoriums.
this is the most realistic post on here in a longtime! reality hurts!
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Craig was a 200-pound chainsmoking methhead when captured.
Why are you saying steroid abuser, and not meth abuser?
Also, they are NOT IFBB members- they denounced the IFBB to start theie own federation.
why are you and chick saying meth abusers and not steroid abusers also? have either one of you been inside craigs brain or given him truth serumto prove he wasnt juiced a week or so before the killings?
again you dont gain 50 lbs from one weekl of juicing , so he could have just started a enormous cycle! he could have been doing rec,. drugs and steroids at the time, who knows!
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why are you and chick saying meth abusers and not steroid abusers also? have either one of you been inside craigs brain or given him truth serumto prove he wasnt juiced a week or so before the killings?
again you dont gain 50 lbs from one weekl of juicing , so he could have just started a enormous cycle! he could have been doing rec,. drugs and steroids at the time, who knows!
He *could* have been sniffing glue or eating paintchips.
However, many people's account, his actions, his physical look, etc, ALL point to meth and not steroids.
Why are you wanting to have the word steroids used in this case? You do know the trickle down effect will hurt pro bodybuilding, right?
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He *could* have been sniffing glue or eating paintchips.
However, many people's account, his actions, his physical look, etc, ALL point to meth and not steroids.
Why are you wanting to have the word steroids used in this case? You do know the trickle down effect will hurt pro bodybuilding, right?
pro bodybuilding isnt going up , down or sideways regardless of the case ! pro bodybuilding will be what is forever and the gay population will continue to fill the auditotiums! ;D
to me roid rage could be just as much a factor as any other alternatives mentioned, so theres no reason to rule it out till the court case is over!
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I have missed much of this but as anybody thought maybe Greg was into the MOB or maybe a big gang for drug money? He could have owed them big doe and this was their way of hurting him and his wife? Kind of framing him and her with this murder?
They could have made them kill their friend and deal with the subsequent setup. They work in evil ways you know?
If this has been gone over I'm sorry, just a thought.
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Well, it is a well-established fact that KR did have some issues with the white stuff back in the day, and E's were a pretty common deal with both. As far as meth.. that's pretty serious, and I can't imagine them being that dumb, but I know Titus was a real Nubain user at one point. I dunno....
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So.........it was really this Greg guy? Was he the butler? ::)
Craig.... Greg potato....patato ;D
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You do know the trickle down effect will hurt pro bodybuilding, right?
How exactly will it hurt pro bodybuilding? And who gives a crap?
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Craig was a 200-pound chainsmoking methhead when captured.
Why are you saying steroid abuser, and not meth abuser?
Also, they are NOT IFBB members- they denounced the IFBB to start theie own federation.
It's more than obvious he's a steroid user/abuser. I have no idea if he used meth. Do you?
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How exactly will it hurt pro bodybuilding? And who gives a crap?
for those of us that like to buy magazines and follow pro contests, a collapse of the supplement companies would mean something
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for those of us that like to buy magazines and follow pro contests, a collapse of the supplement companies would mean something
a callapse of the supplement companies? WTF are you talking about?
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for those of us that like to buy magazines and follow pro contests, a collapse of the supplement companies would mean something
the demise of these companies will be natural
not a result of government fiat
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Two paks a day? Interesting. Heavy into rec drug at the time of the arrest? Interesting.
Once again, rumors that are circulating even there is no facts, rhyme or reason. Yes, in the party scene and at the after parties, there were people who looked they were having fun, but Craig was a businessman during these parties.
You may think they were all fun and games, but you needed to shell out money, calculate how many peopel came via the door, make sure the expenses are paid with the appropriate club owners, and handle any problems. When I went to these parties, Craig wasnt on stuff. He was handling lots of situations, from people who wanted to get in for free, to ticket sales, to people who wanted friends to come in, to just talking with people. You needed to be sharp for that so you don't lose out on your investment in these parties.
And of course, there are people who have come and said that they did party heavily and have some fun. And so have many others in this industry, in the Hollywood scene, and in any other sport too.
Don't forget. We only know one side of the story. In time, we will find out the rest.
C'mon, Ron! We all know Titus is a major coke-head and drug abuser. He was even arrested, in 1995, for selling MDMA. Also, remember that sauce is illegal and Titus, as a pro bodybuilder, abused a lot of that, too. Please, Ron...
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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lol yeah wasnt that a "cash only" party.
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Befit your are a dumbass. Chik is doing the right thing. All this is going to bring more eyes looking into BB. The gov't is already on a steroid with hunt.
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Befit your are a dumbass. Chik is doing the right thing. All this is going to bring more eyes looking into BB. The gov't is already on a steroid with hunt.
stang has a dell keyboard LOL
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Why am I a dumb ass, I just had an opinion on things, and you are sooo right about all this bringing more eyes to bodybuilding. That is why the talk of drug use should be left out of national tv interviews. These are just a dumbasses thoughts though.
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man this stuff makes my head spin.
down under, all we have to go on is what you guys say, its not in the news at all.
i would hope the athletes reps, the BB dudes who take the competitors money as fees and all the royalties from their pics and magazine features would just get together and provide some sort of united front. baseball guys and football seem to try and protect their own. the guy isnt an IFBB member now, but he was. and he was a very public figure and he did as much good as coming across as successful in a misunderstood low paying sport as anyone else.
ok he had some "stuff" going on in private but some BB relish being bad boys and living hard while working their asses off in the gym. the rest like gossiping about it. so what? i went and saw him when he came out to compete in australia and he brought some interest to the competition with the kamali thing and his presence on stage. we'll have to wait for the trial to see what comes out, about the murdered woman, and kelly's role in all this. let alone any others who may be involved. i am sure there is enough there for the BB world to focus on what he accomplished as a competitor, and show patience as the legal process plays out. ultimately craig titus will have to face his day in court and get his say.
two world class performers are centre stage with this matter. try and salvage what can be saved and dont give outsiders any more opportunity to turn BB into something to be ashamed of. i'm sure BB will survive members breaking the law and being punished for it, as doctors, lawyers and other athletes have in the past. the question is, how big a role will the representatives and those running the competitions and magazines have played in the damage to this sport? ratings hungry media will be knocking on your doors, especially when the trial begins.
the world is watching.
make us proud.
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God, witnessed it??? Where have YOU been? Openly shooting NU in front of guests who'd come over to his house, her out in HW and SM doing plenty of E's... And that was in the tame days.
Also, I love Chick's response... because that's true. No one is repping anyone, that is an attorney's job, and why is this industry so hellbent on "hiding" all of the illicit things that occur? I mean, no one's saying we should just go out and shout off the rooftops... "I USE DRUGS AND I'M PROUD AS PUNCH!" but let's face it, if you're caught doing something heinous, on top of the rec or AS use, it then becomes automatically germane to what has happened. It may not have caused it and it may have... or maybe they are innocent. BUT... all of that stuff has to come out sometime, doesn't it? If you didn't want someone to talk about your rec drug use, or AS use, then why did you let people in on it in the first place?
JMO