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Getbig Main Boards => Politics and Political Issues Board => Topic started by: AbrahamG on October 29, 2013, 01:02:23 AM
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I work in the printing/marketing business. I work in a prepress environment. We image plates before they go on press. We work 24 hours a day 7 days a week. It is an X and O schedule. One shift is 6am-6pm and the other is 6pm-6am. The X shift covers half the week, the O shift covers the other half. 15 years ago, we had 12 people in the department aka 3 per shift. We also basically had unlimited overtime due to production demands. So on any given day, you could have 6 people working per shift.
Now, we are down to 7 people doing the same job with way more volume and unfortunately that 7 will probably be 6 by the end of the year.
That means that in the past 15 years it takes 1/2 as many people to do my job with approximately double the volume of work.
If this is true here, I'm going to assume that technology is doing the same thing in pretty much every other industry, with maybe the medical field being the exception.
We have more people now, more technology and less jobs because of it. Unemployment, if something doesn't change is never, ever going to be under 5% ever again. I'll even argue that at some point it's going to be permanently north of 10%.
Corporations are making more money than ever and paying less taxes than ever. At some point, corporate america is going to have to make a collective sacrifice or we are going to be a permanent welfare state.
I would love to see politicians start talking about making 30-35 hours a week the new full time norm and provide incentives for companies to take on more workers and basically redistribute wealth, but at least make people work for it.
What a great country this would be if everyone only had to work 32 hours a week and had more time for their families and had money to spend on top of that. Kids would turn out better. Marriages would be strengthened. We'd be a happier, healthier nation.
Everyone cannot be doctors and nurses or inventors or small business owners. At some point the job makers/corporations have to do their part and not only bring back jobs to this country that have left, but hire more people and reduce workweek hours without reducing pay and benefits.
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That's kinda obvious. With automation people will lose jobs but new markets will open due to advancing technology. The jobs will be there, it's the lack of skills that will hurt, not the loss of jobs
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I work in the printing/marketing business. I work in a prepress environment. We image plates before they go on press. We work 24 hours a day 7 days a week. It is an X and O schedule. One shift is 6am-6pm and the other is 6pm-6am. The X shift covers half the week, the O shift covers the other half. 15 years ago, we had 12 people in the department aka 3 per shift. We also basically had unlimited overtime due to production demands. So on any given day, you could have 6 people working per shift.
Now, we are down to 7 people doing the same job with way more volume and unfortunately that 7 will probably be 6 by the end of the year.
That means that in the past 15 years it takes 1/2 as many people to do my job with approximately double the volume of work.
If this is true here, I'm going to assume that technology is doing the same thing in pretty much every other industry, with maybe the medical field being the exception.
We have more people now, more technology and less jobs because of it. Unemployment, if something doesn't change is never, ever going to be under 5% ever again. I'll even argue that at some point it's going to be permanently north of 10%.
Corporations are making more money than ever and paying less taxes than ever. At some point, corporate america is going to have to make a collective sacrifice or we are going to be a permanent welfare state.
I would love to see politicians start talking about making 30-35 hours a week the new full time norm and provide incentives for companies to take on more workers and basically redistribute wealth, but at least make people work for it.
What a great country this would be if everyone only had to work 32 hours a week and had more time for their families and had money to spend on top of that. Kids would turn out better. Marriages would be strengthened. We'd be a happier, healthier nation.
Everyone cannot be doctors and nurses or inventors or small business owners. At some point the job makers/corporations have to do their part and not only bring back jobs to this country that have left, but hire more people and reduce workweek hours without reducing pay and benefits.
so you want to work less, get paid more, and have the extra money be forcibly taken from someone else and given to you.
got it.
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so you want to work less, get paid more, and have the extra money be forcibly taken from someone else and given to you.
got it.
Yup, pretty much what he is saying he wants. Portugal, Ireland, Greece, Spain, France, etc. already tried this. How is that working out for them?
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Corporations are making more money than ever and paying less taxes than ever. At some point, corporate america is going to have to make a collective sacrifice or we are going to be a permanent welfare state.
How did you reach this conclusion?
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All I'm saying is that corporate america has to do it's part. It's called patriotism. I'm not saying CEO's work for free or not to make a profit, what I'm saying is that technology isn't producing jobs fast enough to keep up with the population and that maybe it's time to pay americans american living wages and stop exporting jobs. Profits be damned. It's all a game to drive up stock prices which again largely benefits the upper 1%. At the current rate, we are going to be largely a minimum wage/temp worker society. Hardly the American dream. Americans are working more hours for less money today than in generations. It's shameful.
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Or you can go to school get educated and obtain a job that can't be replaced by a piece of equipment or software.
You like most liberals have this fallacy that businesses are there to support their employees. If you start to look at things from a business perspective you might start advocating laws and legislation that helps keep jobs here and even create new ones
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All I'm saying is that corporate america has to do it's part. It's called patriotism. I'm not saying CEO's work for free or not to make a profit, what I'm saying is that technology isn't producing jobs fast enough to keep up with the population and that maybe it's time to pay americans american living wages and stop exporting jobs. Profits be damned. It's all a game to drive up stock prices which again largely benefits the upper 1%. At the current rate, we are going to be largely a minimum wage/temp worker society. Hardly the American dream. Americans are working more hours for less money today than in generations. It's shameful.
For fucks sake your an ignorant bastard.
One how many people you know have a 401k guess what they have money in securities including stocks.
Two there are plenty of jobs available but the skills that our population has don't match.
You don't get to major in English or art and expect to get a job in engineering or technology.
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For fucks sake your an ignorant bastard.
One how many people you know have a 401k guess what they have money in securities including stocks.
Two there are plenty of jobs available but the skills that our population has don't match.
You don't get to major in English or art and expect to get a job in engineering or technology.
Your latent homosexuality aside, not everyone can be an engineer. Also, there are a good many who could be engineers but are priced out of the opportunity and face other obstacles. Improve the quality of primary education and reduce greatly the cost of college and problem solved.
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Your latent homosexuality aside, not everyone can be an engineer. Also, there are a good many who could be engineers but are priced out of the opportunity and face other obstacles. Improve the quality of primary education and reduce greatly the cost of college and problem solved.
yes yes your cock loving aside as well ::)
There are more than enough opportunities for 99% of the people in this country to go to college if they want to. I myself took out loans and worked to pay for college. Are you telling me others cannot do the same?
what justification do you have that says I am obligated to help you?
sorry you didnt plan your life better, maybe your kids will see your mistakes and avoid them.
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yes yes your cock loving aside as well ::)
There are more than enough opportunities for 99% of the people in this country to go to college if they want to. I myself took out loans and worked to pay for college. Are you telling me others cannot do the same?
what justification do you have that says I am obligated to help you?
sorry you didnt plan your life better, maybe your kids will see your mistakes and avoid them.
Is that where you want to be when Jesus comes back? Making fun of poor little old me? For the record, I don't need your help. Do you have statistics, perhaps from drudge or dead andy validating that 99% claim? God forbid, my kids follow in my footsteps and have their house (not trailer) paid off by 40 and their college tuition already secured. That would really suck. Also helping my sister pay for her wedding. I'm a mess. My life is in shambles. My kids are fucked. Because your unable to produce children is no reason to project on me.
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Is that where you want to be when Jesus comes back? Making fun of poor little old me? For the record, I don't need your help. Do you have statistics, perhaps from drudge or dead andy validating that 99% claim? God forbid, my kids follow in my footsteps and have their house (not trailer) paid off by 40 and their college tuition already secured. That would really suck. Also helping my sister pay for her wedding. I'm a mess. My life is in shambles. My kids are fucked. Because your unable to produce children is no reason to project on me.
hahah its hyperbole, a little like your statement on that rising stock prices help the top 1% more ::)
congrats now if you can do it and I can do it, why should we be responsible for others that dont do it by and large b/c of bad choices and lack of effort?
and I have choosen to wait to reproduce, you know to avoid one of those bad choices that seem to go hand in hand with those ppl you feel I am obligated to help ::)
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hahah its hyperbole, a little like your statement on that rising stock prices help the top 1% more ::)
congrats now if you can do it and I can do it, why should we be responsible for others that dont do it by and large b/c of bad choices and lack of effort?
and I have choosen to wait to reproduce, you know to avoid one of those bad choices that seem to go hand in hand with those ppl you feel I am obligated to help ::)
I'm ok with helping people. Sorry if that rubs you the wrong way. I don't really even believe in god. It just feels right to me to help those less fortunate than me. No matter what the reason for the misfortune is.
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I'm ok with helping people. Sorry if that rubs you the wrong way. I don't really even believe in god. It just feels right to me to help those less fortunate than me. No matter what the reason for the misfortune is.
I completely agree, I am very much ok with helping ppl. I volunteer donating money, time and materials to those I feel are less fortunate.
What I am not for is an inefficient and often times corrupt govt with an agenda deeming who needs help and who doesnt and who to take away from and who to give to.
Its not the govts place NOR IS IT YOUR PLACE to tell me who I need to help.
I notice you didnt answer the question, you just gave some ignorant diatribe and completely ignored so Ill ask again
Why should we be responsible for others that dont live responsibily and make bad choices and lack of effort?
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I completely agree, I am very much ok with helping ppl. I volunteer donating money, time and materials to those I feel are less fortunate.
What I am not for is an inefficient and often times corrupt govt with an agenda deeming who needs help and who doesnt and who to take away from and who to give to.
Its not the govts place NOR IS IT YOUR PLACE to tell me who I need to help.
I notice you didnt answer the question, you just gave some ignorant diatribe and completely ignored so Ill ask again
Why should we be responsible for others that dont live responsibily and make bad choices and lack of effort?
How do you separate or what is the litmus test to determine who is in bad shape and whose to blame for their circumstance? I prefer to err on the side of caution. I'd rather have 1 or 2 people out of 10 scamming the system knowing that the other 8 are being taken care of.
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How do you separate or what is the litmus test to determine who is in bad shape and whose to blame for their circumstance? I prefer to err on the side of caution. I'd rather have 1 or 2 people out of 10 scamming the system knowing that the other 8 are being taken care of.
before we go any further answer the fucking question...
Why should we be responsible for others that dont live responsibily and make bad choices and lack of effort?
Ive asked multiple times already
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so you want to work less, get paid more, and have the extra money be forcibly taken from someone else and given to you.
got it.
How 'bout totally legalize weed so that folks are happy with less? Oh, wait, too easy to grow your own so the corps that own us all aren't going to go for that.
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before we go any further answer the fucking question...
Why should we be responsible for others that dont live responsibily and make bad choices and lack of effort?
Ive asked multiple times already
Keep your panties on, bitch. The short answer is because it's the brotherly/human thing to do. Now answer my question. How do you measure who is a piece of shit vs who is just flat out unfortunate? Like I said, I'll err on the side of caution every time.
The real truth here is that you live in an urban legend fantasy world. As if people who don't live responsibly, make bad choices or whatever are a huge piece of the pie. They are negligible at best.
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before we go any further answer the fucking question...
Why should we be responsible for others that dont live responsibily and make bad choices and lack of effort?
Ive asked multiple times already
Because you love your fellow humans? Your fellow Americans? Your fellow bodybuilders? Is there anyone you love?
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congrats now if you can do it and I can do it, why should we be responsible for others that dont do it by and large b/c of bad choices and lack of effort?
I have a serious answer here: Because you realize that, in addition to your hard work, you had a lot of luck along the way.
If things had broken even slightly differently, you might (still) be up shit creek. In these shitty, shitty times, I meet a lot of smart people who were much more responsible than me who are fucked because of things outside of their control. This idea, btw, can just about drive me crazy when I really dwell on it. Especially when I widen my consideration to include people in other countries. Can you imagine how fucked up it is for all the good Iraqi's, the ones who went to university and tried to just have good life, when their country was fucked up courtesy of their idiot leader and the good old USA?
If you are successful and happy, you are lying to yourself if you think that luck did not play a major role. So spread it around. It's what good humans do.
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so you want to work less, get paid more, and have the extra money be forcibly taken from someone else and given to you.
got it.
It does sound really nice though. I can see how dumbasses are swayed to vote for the politicians that say this kind of shit over people that make sense like Ron Paul.
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How 'bout totally legalize weed so that folks are happy with less? Oh, wait, too easy to grow your own so the corps that own us all aren't going to go for that.
cant have that, govt needs you to want things to be able to tax you
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I have a serious answer here: Because you realize that, in addition to your hard work, you had a lot of luck along the way.
If things had broken even slightly differently, you might (still) be up shit creek. In these shitty, shitty times, I meet a lot of smart people who were much more responsible than me who are fucked because of things outside of their control. This idea, btw, can just about drive me crazy when I really dwell on it. Especially when I widen my consideration to include people in other countries. Can you imagine how fucked up it is for all the good Iraqi's, the ones who went to university and tried to just have good life, when their country was fucked up courtesy of their idiot leader and the good old USA?
If you are successful and happy, you are lying to yourself if you think that luck did not play a major role. So spread it around. It's what good humans do.
Solid. Absolutely solid. These guys have bought into the American exceptional-ism myth. They feel better about themselves by believing every thing they have is because of them. They apply the same thing to homosexuality. Like they choose to be straight therefore it gives them a feeling of superiority.
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Keep your panties on, bitch. The short answer is because it's the brotherly/human thing to do. Now answer my question. How do you measure who is a piece of shit vs who is just flat out unfortunate? Like I said, I'll err on the side of caution every time.
The real truth here is that you live in an urban legend fantasy world. As if people who don't live responsibly, make bad choices or whatever are a huge piece of the pie. They are negligible at best.
and you think it should be the govt's job to determine who deserves brotherly love and who deserves to have money forciebly taken to support that love?
who are you to push your beliefs on to others? isnt that what you atheist are always yelling about in regards to religious people?
Im guessing you have no facts to support your opinion that most ppl who need assistance have led perfectly responsible lives and made good decisions throughout?
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and you think it should be the govt's job to determine who deserves brotherly love and who deserves to have money forciebly taken to support that love?
who are you to push your beliefs on to others? isnt that what you atheist are always yelling about in regards to religious people?
Im guessing you have no facts to support your opinion that most ppl who need assistance have led perfectly responsible lives and made good decisions throughout?
Where are your "facts" supporting your opinion regarding these very people?
I am waiting shithead.....
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I have a serious answer here: Because you realize that, in addition to your hard work, you had a lot of luck along the way.
If things had broken even slightly differently, you might (still) be up shit creek. In these shitty, shitty times, I meet a lot of smart people who were much more responsible than me who are fucked because of things outside of their control. This idea, btw, can just about drive me crazy when I really dwell on it. Especially when I widen my consideration to include people in other countries. Can you imagine how fucked up it is for all the good Iraqi's, the ones who went to university and tried to just have good life, when their country was fucked up courtesy of their idiot leader and the good old USA?
If you are successful and happy, you are lying to yourself if you think that luck did not play a major role. So spread it around. It's what good humans do.
ok then lets play the game, what luck took place to get me where I am today?
I have had plenty of things happen to me over my life that if i had let it would have led me down a bad path. How is it luck that I chose not to let that happen and remained focused on my goals?
you need to put down the gladwell bullshit and realize that everyone especially in this country has a plethora of opportunities in front of them. Some have paths that are harder than others, many much harder than others. That doesnt change the fact that your personal actions have a much bigger impact on the outcome of your life than anything else
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Where are your "facts" supporting your opinion regarding these very people?
I am waiting shithead.....
http://www.utexas.edu/depts/ic2/et/learner/general.html
"The welfare population is characterized as mostly single mothers in their 20s and 30s with one or two children."
sounds like some great life decisions going on with this group........
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ok then lets play the game, what luck took place to get me where I am today?
I have had plenty of things happen to me over my life that if i had let it would have led me down a bad path. How is it luck that I chose not to let that happen and remained focused on my goals?
you need to put down the gladwell bullshit and realize that everyone especially in this country has a plethora of opportunities in front of them. Some have paths that are harder than others, many much harder than others. That doesnt change the fact that your personal actions have a much bigger impact on the outcome of your life than anything else
RRKore and Abraham are in some kind of delusional 1930's, Grapes of Wrath, Great Depression fantasy world.
If only they had faced real hardship like our grandparents generation.
That's what I admire about Mexican, Asian, and Russian immigrants. They work hard and save money like people here use to, no complaints.
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http://www.utexas.edu/depts/ic2/et/learner/general.html
"The welfare population is characterized as mostly single mothers in their 20s and 30s with one or two children."
sounds like some great life decisions going on with this group........
bump for abraham and his proof that most of the ppl on govt assistance are responsible ppl who have made good life decisions but just had bad luck...
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more examples of how some of those on the govt dole are responsible people who have just had bad luck
90% of welfare parents are single mothers of those 10% are married, 36% divorced/widowed/separated and 54% never married.
Most welfare mothers are in their 20s and 30s with 6% under 20 years of age, 24% 20-24 years of age, 22% 25-29 years of age, 35% 30-39 years of age and 13% 40 years of age or older.
Most welfare recipients have 1 or 2 children with 41% 0-1 children, 33% 2 children, 16% 3 children and 10% more than 3 children
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^^^^
Bastions of responsibility and poster boys of good choices those people are:
59% have 2 or more children
54% have never been married
52% are younger than 30
yup bastions of great choices and responsibility these ppl are
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ok then lets play the game, what luck took place to get me where I am today?
I have had plenty of things happen to me over my life that if i had let it would have led me down a bad path. How is it luck that I chose not to let that happen and remained focused on my goals?
you need to put down the gladwell bullshit and realize that everyone especially in this country has a plethora of opportunities in front of them. Some have paths that are harder than others, many much harder than others. That doesnt change the fact that your personal actions have a much bigger impact on the outcome of your life than anything else
bump for RRKORE
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I get it. Punish the children. Because their born to whores and of deadbeat fathers. I love you right wingers who are so "pro life". No abortion, blah, blah, blah. You guys really only care about the unborn until they are born. Then they can go and fuck themselves. "What, your hungy? How old are you? Eight? Get a fucking job you piece of shit"! You guys are awesome.
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I get it. Punish the children. Because their born to whores and of deadbeat fathers. I love you right wingers who are so "pro life". No abortion, blah, blah, blah. You guys really only care about the unborn until they are born. Then they can go and fuck themselves. "What, your hungy? How old are you? Eight? Get a fucking job you piece of shit"! You guys are awesome.
Meltdown
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I get it. Punish the children. Because their born to whores and of deadbeat fathers. I love you right wingers who are so "pro life". No abortion, blah, blah, blah. You guys really only care about the unborn until they are born. Then they can go and fuck themselves. "What, your hungy? How old are you? Eight? Get a fucking job you piece of shit"! You guys are awesome.
so let me get this right, you make an ignorant and blatantly false assumption....I show your ignorant and false assumption for what it is...
and then you revert back to the "wont someone think of the children" line?
why dont you call me a racist homophobe and go for the gold in the libtard triathalon?
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Meltdown
You da man.
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I get it. Punish the children. Because their born to whores and of deadbeat fathers. I love you right wingers who are so "pro life". No abortion, blah, blah, blah. You guys really only care about the unborn until they are born. Then they can go and fuck themselves. "What, your hungy? How old are you? Eight? Get a fucking job you piece of shit"! You guys are awesome.
im totally for a few reasonable social programs, used as a security net to catch citizens who stumble or fall.... but the forcible redistribution of wealth is complete horseshit.
I want to earn my way, I dont want anyone to hand me shit... maybe its just me, but I was brought up to take pride in working hard and earning my way.
I have used social programs like food stamps in the past (when my family and I moved and were between jobs, so I understand their usefullness), but the amount I have taken out is not anywhere near the amount ive paid in. And IMHO, thats the way it should be.... adults should not be able to live indefinitely on welfare and not work just because they pop out a dozen bastard children. Social programs should be geared for low income workers struggling to feed a family, rather than the professionally unemployed, as it is now.
And IMHO everyone should put in evenly... a flat percentage of income should go to social services.
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You da man.
do you think those ppl I outlined who make up the majority of welfare recipients have led a responsible life and made good choices abraham?
do you think a single mother who has never been married with 2+ children under 30 and without a high school diploma or at most a high school diploma is someone who is living their life responsibly and making good choices?
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im totally for a few reasonable social programs, used as a security net to catch citizens who stumble or fall.... but the forcible redistribution of wealth is complete horseshit.
I want to earn my way, I dont want anyone to hand me shit... maybe its just me, but I was brought up to take pride in working hard and earning my way.
I have used social programs like food stamps in the past (when my family and I moved and were between jobs, so I understand their usefullness), but the amount I have taken out is not anywhere near the amount ive paid in. And IMHO, thats the way it should be.... adults should not be able to live indefinitely on welfare and not work just because they pop out a dozen bastard children. Social programs should be geared for low income workers, rather than the professionally unemployed.
I probably agree with most if not all of what you're saying. But, I don't think you're the exception. Personally, I've been blessed to have never needed any social program as of yet. Back in 2005 my wife got laid off in August right before the school year started. She collected one unemployment check because her phenomenal $36,000 salary (boy, teachers have it made) was spread over the course of 12 months not the 9 month school calendar. Then, she was called back and placed in another school. In terms of unemployment and social security those programs can only be collected on if you've paid into the system. SS might have a loophole if you're disabled or unable to physically work. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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You da man.
Sorry bro, can't help it sometime. :-[
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Sorry bro, can't help it sometime. :-[
all good dawg
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do you think those ppl I outlined who make up the majority of welfare recipients have led a responsible life and made good choices abraham?
do you think a single mother who has never been married with 2+ children under 30 and without a high school diploma or at most a high school diploma is someone who is living their life responsibly and making good choices?
come on now, this isnt going away....
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Where are your "facts" supporting your opinion regarding these very people?
I am waiting shithead.....
do you think those ppl I outlined who make up the majority of welfare recipients have led a responsible life and made good choices abraham?
do you think a single mother who has never been married with 2+ children under 30 and without a high school diploma or at most a high school diploma is someone who is living their life responsibly and making good choices?
"I am waiting shithead...."
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"I am waiting shithead...."
I'm the pied piper.
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I'm the pied piper.
about right typical libtard, positions based on opinions and emotions that they believe are facts.
When shown their opinions are based on nothing but ignorant and innacurate assumptions they lash out and then deflect, point fingers and run away..
Now run away abraham and let the grown ups who are educated on the topics being discussed talk without the ignorance and stupidity you bring to the board
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about right typical libtard, positions based on opinions and emotions that they believe are facts.
When shown their opinions are based on nothing but ignorant and innacurate assumptions they lash out and then deflect, point fingers and run away..
Now run away abraham and let the grown ups who are educated on the topics being discussed talk without the ignorance and stupidity you bring to the board
ouch. you're like a scorn lover. I'll come back tomorrow and play with you some more. I promise.
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ouch. you're like a scorn lover. I'll come back tomorrow and play with you some more. I promise.
yes yes maybe tomorrow it will be drug addicts are just people who have had bad luck and are really responsible ppl who have made good life choices as well ::)
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yes yes maybe tomorrow it will be drug addicts are just people who have had bad luck and are really responsible ppl who have made good life choices as well ::)
Whatever you want player. You can always dream about me. Good night.
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We all probably know people, even close friends and family who have his absolute rock bottom and climbed back up.
You're not fucked for life because you had some major obstacles to overcome.
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We all probably know people, even close friends and family who have his absolute rock bottom and climbed back up.
You're not fucked for life because you had some major obstacles to overcome.
Stand by your man.
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bump for RRKORE
You're lucky that we never met in person. You'd now be in a wheelchair, at best.
Look, shit-for-brains, the life is not how much money one has. Every damn day you could die in a car accident, right? Is it not luck that this has not killed you yet? That you are here, alive in this universe right now, is ridiculously lucky. What about all those other sperm that didn't make it to the egg? (Insert joke about how since it was your mom, and therefore a lot of sperm, your odds were even slimmer.)
How does the saying go? Born on third base and thinks he hit a triple? You are either a shallow, half-dumb young guy or just trolling, I think.
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Or you can go to school get educated and obtain a job that can't be replaced by a piece of equipment or software.
You like most liberals have this fallacy that businesses are there to support their employees. If you start to look at things from a business perspective you might start advocating laws and legislation that helps keep jobs here and even create new ones
I am all ears. Tell us all what laws and legislation (same thing BTW) you'd advocate for which would keep jobs here (assuming the U.S.) as opposed to farming labor out to third world countries?
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about right typical libtard, positions based on opinions and emotions that they believe are facts.
When shown their opinions are based on nothing but ignorant and innacurate assumptions they lash out and then deflect, point fingers and run away..
Now run away abraham and let the grown ups who are educated on the topics being discussed talk without the ignorance and stupidity you bring to the board
Ignorant and inaccurate assumptions? Transference of the most obvious sort. Tell us, how well do you know the disadvantaged among us? I'm sorry that you lack the kinship with your fellow man to make you feel good about helping others. You've probably had some rough emotional times when you were young. You are among friends, now, though. Go ahead, you can cry it out. Fag.
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You're lucky that we never met in person. You'd now be in a wheelchair, at best.
Look, shit-for-brains, the life is not how much money one has. Every damn day you could die in a car accident, right? Is it not luck that this has not killed you yet? That you are here, alive in this universe right now, is ridiculously lucky. What about all those other sperm that didn't make it to the egg? (Insert joke about how since it was your mom, and therefore a lot of sperm, your odds were even slimmer.)
How does the saying go? Born on third base and thinks he hit a triple? You are either a shallow, half-dumb young guy or just trolling, I think.
LMFAO so the best example you can give about how I am lucky to be where I am is a sperm was fast? hahaha are you fucking serious?
I wasnt born on 3rd moron, it wasnt luck I was born in the US either jack ass. My mother was an immigrant who moved here in search of a better life and found it...I guess that was luck too eh?
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Ignorant and inaccurate assumptions? Transference of the most obvious sort. Tell us, how well do you know the disadvantaged among us? I'm sorry that you lack the kinship with your fellow man to make you feel good about helping others. You've probably had some rough emotional times when you were young. You are among friends, now, though. Go ahead, you can cry it out. Fag.
LMFAO again
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Bastions of responsibility and poster boys of good choices those people are:
59% have 2 or more children
54% have never been married
52% are younger than 30
yup bastions of great choices and responsibility these ppl are
more examples of how some of those on the govt dole are responsible people who have just had bad luck
90% of welfare parents are single mothers of those 10% are married, 36% divorced/widowed/separated and 54% never married.
Most welfare mothers are in their 20s and 30s with 6% under 20 years of age, 24% 20-24 years of age, 22% 25-29 years of age, 35% 30-39 years of age and 13% 40 years of age or older.
Most welfare recipients have 1 or 2 children with 41% 0-1 children, 33% 2 children, 16% 3 children and 10% more than 3 children
http://www.utexas.edu/depts/ic2/et/learner/general.html
"The welfare population is characterized as mostly single mothers in their 20s and 30s with one or two children."
sounds like some great life decisions going on with this group........
so let me get this straight there RRKORE.
you believe that these ppl as described above are simply ppl who have had bad luck in their lives?
That their personal decisions to have mulitple children out of wedlock with at most a high school diploma all before they are 30 are good life decisions and an example of being responsible?
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http://www.utexas.edu/depts/ic2/et/learner/general.html
"The welfare population is characterized as mostly single mothers in their 20s and 30s with one or two children."
sounds like some great life decisions going on with this group........
Sad isn't it? One would have hoped with women's lib, young single mothers who have no means to care for their offspring would have become obsolete.
I just found out my loser niece, who is a crack head, has never been married, got pregnant with her first illegitimate child when she was still in high school and then proceeded to have three more children by her gangbanger boyfriend over the last many years, is pregnant by her recently paroled new boyfriend who recently shot her in the leg "accidentally" twice. She lives in public housing, gets food stamps and public assistance, cannot hold a job and is 31 years old. I just want to slap her unconscious every time I see her, drag her to the doctor to have her tubes tied. BTW, she had a shitty childhood that somehow included lots of opportunities to hoist herself beyond the fray. Instead she's chosen to wallow in it.
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I am all ears. Tell us all what laws and legislation (same thing BTW) you'd advocate for which would keep jobs here (assuming the U.S.) as opposed to farming labor out to third world countries?
Ive been over this before and with you if I remember correctly in which we actually agreed quite a bit on what could and should be done but just to recap some positions.
Lower the corporate tax rates, which are some of the highest in the world
Close loopholes that allow corporations to pay less taxes: perhaps lowering the number of years a corporation can carry losses over, giving companies subsidies that get automatically invested overseas which we saw quite a bit of during the stimulus.
get rid of red tape and legislation that makes it more expensive and more timely to do business and hire: OBAMACARE IS BIG ONE ON THIS but also enviromental legislation and red tape that hinders drilling and fracking. The current admin was taken to court for draggin their feet on drilling applications and lost(PRIME EXAMPLE)
Tax incentives that create jobs like giving business tax breaks for every new position they create YOY.
Lots of other things that could be discussed: tarrifs for example but this is just a cursory list
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Sad isn't it? One would have hoped with women's lib, young single mothers who have no means to care for their offspring would have become obsolete.
I just found out my loser niece, who is a crack head, has never been married, got pregnant with her first illegitimate child when she was still in high school and then proceeded to have three more children by her gangbanger boyfriend over the last many years, is pregnant by her recently paroled new boyfriend who recently shot her in the leg "accidentally" twice. She lives in public housing, gets food stamps and public assistance, cannot hold a job and is 31 years old. I just want to slap her unconscious every time I see her, drag her to the doctor to have her tubes tied. BTW, she had a shitty childhood that somehow included lots of opportunities to hoist herself beyond the fray. Instead she's chosen to wallow in it.
what are you talking about prime according to abraham and RRKore she is a model citizen who is responsible and made good choices but just had bad luck
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Ive been over this before and with you if I remember correctly in which we actually agreed quite a bit on what could and should be done but just to recap some positions.
Lower the corporate tax rates, which are some of the highest in the world
Close loopholes that allow corporations to pay less taxes: perhaps lowering the number of years a corporation can carry losses over, giving companies subsidies that get automatically invested overseas which we saw quite a bit of during the stimulus.
get rid of red tape and legislation that makes it more expensive and more timely to do business and hire: OBAMACARE IS BIG ONE ON THIS but also enviromental legislation and red tape that hinders drilling and fracking. The current admin was taken to court for draggin their feet on drilling applications and lost(PRIME EXAMPLE)
Tax incentives that create jobs like giving business tax breaks for every new position they create YOY.
Lots of other things that could be discussed: tarrifs for example but this is just a cursory list
also how about actually addressing illegal immigration. I know these ppl do alot of jobs that others dont want to do but they do take jobs from other americans.
Perhaps much like affirmative action(which is bullshit) make companies give preference to american citizens especially in the fields of engineering and technology...although I could see how that might mean we miss out on a lot of talented more qualified individuals...hey just like what happens with affirmative action ;)
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Sad isn't it? One would have hoped with women's lib, young single mothers who have no means to care for their offspring would have become obsolete.
I just found out my loser niece, who is a crack head, has never been married, got pregnant with her first illegitimate child when she was still in high school and then proceeded to have three more children by her gangbanger boyfriend over the last many years, is pregnant by her recently paroled new boyfriend who recently shot her in the leg "accidentally" twice. She lives in public housing, gets food stamps and public assistance, cannot hold a job and is 31 years old. I just want to slap her unconscious every time I see her, drag her to the doctor to have her tubes tied. BTW, she had a shitty childhood that somehow included lots of opportunities to hoist herself beyond the fray. Instead she's chosen to wallow in it.
whats really sad is you have ppl gullible enough to believe your neices circumstance is based on luck and not bad life choices.
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LMFAO so the best example you can give about how I am lucky to be where I am is a sperm was fast? hahaha are you fucking serious?
I wasnt born on 3rd moron, it wasnt luck I was born in the US either jack ass. My mother was an immigrant who moved here in search of a better life and found it...I guess that was luck too eh?
Get real and quit lying. A drip like you never actually laughs. And what's this "best you can do" shit? Yes, I'm serious. Why wouldn't I be? Your very presence on earth is a function of incredible luck. It's the same for all of us. We have some control during our short-ass live, but not as much as you seem to think, I think.
BTW, you example is shitty. I WAS luck you were born in the USA -- unless you picked your mom. How is this not obvious to you?
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what are you talking about prime according to abraham and RRKore she is a model citizen who is responsible and made good choices but just had bad luck
Whew! Good to know this. I thought she was just another loser who made bad choices and can't take responsibility for them. Next time I see her (hope it isn't soon), I'll tell her how sorry I am for her "bad luck" in life.
I am trying to figure out which of her choices were good ones. As far as I can see, all she's managed to produce so far is four children, all boys who have a snowball's chance in hell of not ending up dead or in prison before they are adults. Did I mention she is the worlds worst mother. The state keeps taking her kids away and then somehow gets all stupid and gives them back to her. There bad luck was to have been born.
Just to be fair, her oldest child has been raised by his paternal grandparents. He seems to have a fairly level head for a 15 year old. Maybe he has a chance to break out of this miserable cycle.
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RRKore/abraham I really am sorry to have to ruin your world view and show you that in this life especially here in the US that "luck" really isnt what seperates the succesful from the unsuccesful.
I hate to be the one to burst your liberal bubble and show you the real world in which if you work hard, make good choices and are responsible you will likely succeed. I know this makes you angry as all those ppl you feel were just down on their luck were really ppl who chances are made bad decisions and simply didnt give the effort.
If you need to talk to someone I think the white house has a hotline set up for this but you may have to wait a while....they are having technical difficulties
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Get real and quit lying. A drip like you never actually laughs. And what's this "best you can do" shit? Yes, I'm serious. Why wouldn't I be? Your very presence on earth is a function of incredible luck. It's the same for all of us. We have some control during our short-ass live, but not as much as you seem to think, I think.
BTW, you example is shitty. I WAS luck you were born in the USA -- unless you picked your mom. How is this not obvious to you?
ok so after conception, what in my life do you feel was luck to get me to this situation?
also answer the question...
do you think a single mother who has never been married with 2+ children under 30 and without a high school diploma or at most a high school diploma is someone who is living their life responsibly and making good choices?
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LMFAO again
so let me get this straight there RRKORE.
you believe that these ppl as described above are simply ppl who have had bad luck in their lives?
That their personal decisions to have mulitple children out of wedlock with at most a high school diploma all before they are 30 are good life decisions and an example of being responsible?
Of course their actions have bearing on where they are now if life. But luck does, too. Many women with bastard children still can live happy and even prosperous lives. Shit, here in the USA, I think it's common -- If they are lucky enough to be blessed with good looks/personality, they often find husbands who can improve their lives and maybe even live happily ever after. You've heard of this happening, haven't you? If this doesn't happen, then sure luck plays a big role. Now, I think we're in agreement that if you're smart and industrious and determined, you can really make luck play a small role. But it will always play some role. Always.
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night night RRBORE and abby, I gotta get up early tomorrow to go to work and make that money that you so desperately want to take out of my pocket.
Enjoy sitting at home fellas
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what are you talking about prime according to abraham and RRKore she is a model citizen who is responsible and made good choices but just had bad luck
No one said she was a model citizen. Good god, you even suck at being sarcastic.
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RRKore/abraham I really am sorry to half to ruin your world view and show you that in this life especially here in the US that "luck" really isnt what seperates the succesful from the unsuccesful.
I hate to be the one to burst your liberal bubble and show you the real world in which if you work hard, make good choices and are responsible you will likely succeed. I know this makes you angry as all those ppl you feel were just down on their luck were really ppl who chances are made bad decisions and simply didnt give the effort.
If you need to talk to someone I think the white house has a hotline set up for this but you may have to wait a while....they are having technical difficulties
During my many years living life, I have discovered that sometimes we get lucky and sometimes not so much. When I got a dealt losing cards, I made the best of my hand or passed without betting on it. When I got dealt winning cards, I ran with them. Life is a gamble. Good gamblers rely on luck and being smart. I guess my good life could all go down a shithole, but that isn't likely to happen.
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whats really sad is you have ppl gullible enough to believe your neices circumstance is based on luck and not bad life choices.
It's based on both, quite obviously. The more bad decisions she made, the more luck would have been required to pull her out of her situation. That's all.
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No one said she was a model citizen. Good god, you even suck at being sarcastic.
The sad part is that with all the education afforded her, coupled with her one time fashion model looks, she could have been a model citizen. The fact that she isn't is not about bad luck, it is about bad choices. But I am sure if you talked to her she doesn't see it that way. I know for a fact that she thinks she has no responsibility for anything that has happened to her.
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RRKore/abraham I really am sorry to have to ruin your world view and show you that in this life especially here in the US that "luck" really isnt what seperates the succesful from the unsuccesful.
I hate to be the one to burst your liberal bubble and show you the real world in which if you work hard, make good choices and are responsible you will likely succeed. I know this makes you angry as all those ppl you feel were just down on their luck were really ppl who chances are made bad decisions and simply didnt give the effort.
If you need to talk to someone I think the white house has a hotline set up for this but you may have to wait a while....they are having technical difficulties
Keyword "likely". Hmmm, you talking about "probability" aka "luck"?
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You're lucky that we never met in person. You'd now be in a wheelchair, at best.
Damn, resorting to violence to get your point across!!! ;D
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I am all ears. Tell us all what laws and legislation (same thing BTW) you'd advocate for which would keep jobs here (assuming the U.S.) as opposed to farming labor out to third world countries?
Make the United States business friendly again by easing regulations and cutting taxes.
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Of course their actions have bearing on where they are now if life. But luck does, too. Many women with bastard children still can live happy and even prosperous lives. Shit, here in the USA, I think it's common -- If they are lucky enough to be blessed with good looks/personality, they often find husbands who can improve their lives and maybe even live happily ever after. You've heard of this happening, haven't you? If this doesn't happen, then sure luck plays a big role. Now, I think we're in agreement that if you're smart and industrious and determined, you can really make luck play a small role. But it will always play some role. Always.
and thus the chink in the armour of your theory.
Yes some ppl will be offered opportunities that others are not, this can be based on a number of things lets say as in your example looks.
The pretty girl gets courted by a succesful gentleman and is wined and dined until they get married in which she never has to work again.
Lets take a completely opposite person and say she is so ugly that nobody wants to date her. Well this may seem like a hindrance but you see it opens up other opportunities for her. The less time spent with a significant other means she can devote more time to education and bettering her situation through other means.
You guys think that simply because ppl dont have the same opportunity they are getting screwed.
If you ever get a chance to read malcom gladwells outsiders I encourgage you to do so, it goes hand in hand with you utopian view.
one point he made was that those kids who have birthdays just after cut offs for sports tryouts generally seem be bigger as they have a whole year to grow as opposed to those kids with birthdays just before the cutoff. This means they are bigger, b/c they are bigger and more cordinated they are given more attention by the coaches, this leads to more playing time, which leads to making select teams, which leads to more coaching and so on and so on until you begin to see a grouping of birth dates around these cut offs in high school, college and pro athletics.
What he also mentions however is that the kids whos birthdays are just before the cut off while they may not exceed in sports do tend to outperform the other group in school, music, art etc...
opportunities are all around us, its just recognizing them and capitalizing on them that makes you successful.
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It WAS luck you were born in the USA -- unless you picked your mom. How is this not obvious to you?
It wasn't luck, he couldn't have possibly been born to anyone else. His mother moved here and she produced her genetic, flesh and blood offspring.
His dear mother gave birth to an ownage machine.
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It's based on both, quite obviously. The more bad decisions she made, the more luck would have been required to pull her out of her situation. That's all.
She is my niece whom I have known for 33 years. Trust me, she could have won the lottery which would have been bad luck for her because she would have blown it up her nose and be dead by now. So, I am not exactly sure what kind of luck you are referring to.
She had the good luck to get her mother's genes for attractive appearance. She had the good luck to have a grandmother who provided her every opportunity afforded people like Paris Hilton. She had the bad luck to be born to two parents who had drug addictions. I image she's had some other bad luck experiences too along the way. The fact that she chose a life on welfare as a drug abuser is not the result of good or bad luck, it is the result of choices she's made.
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night night RRBORE and abby, I gotta get up early tomorrow to go to work and make that money that you so desperately want to take out of my pocket.
Enjoy sitting at home fellas
ROFL!!! 8)
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ok so after conception, what in my life do you feel was luck to get me to this situation?
also answer the question...
do you think a single mother who has never been married with 2+ children under 30 and without a high school diploma or at most a high school diploma is someone who is living their life responsibly and making good choices?
Actually, you are lucky to be alive but I don't know enough about your "situation" to call it lucky or not. (You've apparently been hanging out on getbig today long enough for me to go to the gym and train arms so that right there would cause me to hesitate to call you lucky.)
I'll answer your other question, too.
Strictly speaking, there isn't enough info here. If she's independently wealthy (an heiress or royalty or a famous celeb) then she very well may be living her life responsibly. Even if she isn't, aren't you assuming that her situation is completely of her own choosing? I guess it's maybe fair to assume she chose to have consensual sex that created the kids, but the lack of education and being single could easily not have really been her fault. (Unless she lived in France where, I hear, the have state-funded child-care which would give her the chance to go back to school -- You should check into that.) So, yeah, I will join you in the slut-shaming. Stupid 'ho should have known better than to open her legs for --- wait a minute, maybe it was her step-dad who fathered the kids. Then the decision not to marry the father of the kids sounds better. Hmmm.. Yeah, I can't answer unless you give more info.
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The sad part is that with all the education afforded her, coupled with her one time fashion model looks, she could have been a model citizen. The fact that she isn't is not about bad luck, it is about bad choices. But I am sure if you talked to her she doesn't see it that way. I know for a fact that she thinks she has no responsibility for anything that has happened to her.
That does suck. Sounds like she has a real problem with knowing what kind of people are ok to keep in your life. I think I do put a little too much stock in luck but how that outlook would manifest itself if it were me in your niece's (niece, right?) shoes is that I wouldn't hang with losers with their drama-filled lives under any circumstances because I sort of believe that bad luck follows those kind of people and I don't want to be anywhere near 'em when it really hits.
Pretty much my number 1 rule as an adult; The only losers I'll be around have to be ones in my family and even then only on a major holiday.
Good luck with your niece. I have a half-sister who's had some real serious drug problems (most happened while I was in the army so I don't really know the extent of it) who is now doing pretty well after finding religion in a big way. My half-brother says that this is just another group for her to scam, but so far it's been about 3 years and she's doing ok with a job and everything. Of course there is no talking to her -- she's not sane and pretty much our whole extended family has either blocked her or been blocked by her on facebook.
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That does suck. Sounds like she has a real problem with knowing what kind of people are ok to keep in your life. I think I do put a little too much stock in luck but how that outlook would manifest itself if it were me in your niece's (niece, right?) shoes is that I wouldn't hang with losers with their drama-filled lives under any circumstances because I sort of believe that bad luck follows those kind of people and I don't want to be anywhere near 'em when it really hits.
Pretty much my number 1 rule as an adult; The only losers I'll be around have to be ones in my family and even then only on a major holiday.
Good luck with your niece. I have a half-sister who's had some real serious drug problems (most happened while I was in the army so I don't really know the extent of it) who is now doing pretty well after finding religion in a big way. My half-brother says that this is just another group for her to scam, but so far it's been about 3 years and she's doing ok with a job and everything. Of course there is no talking to her -- she's not sane and pretty much our whole extended family has either blocked her or been blocked by her on facebook.
Yes she is my niece. Genetically, we are not related. Both my sisters were adopted and they were a lot younger than me. Both my sisters had serious drug issues from teen years on into adulthood. One of my stepsisters passed on a few years back from cancer. She was only 50 years old and if she had not died from lung cancer she would probably have died from liver disease as a result of years of alcoholism and drug abuse. My other stepsister who is my niece's mom has been clean for 25 years.
It is rare that I see my niece. She is not invited to family functions at my home because I don't want that element in my life and that is my choice. I agree, association with losers often brings bad experiences. I am not sure I could call it luck.
Clearly, my niece suffers from low self-esteem. If she valued herself, she wouldn't associate with the people she does. What I don't quite get is how a beautiful young woman with a lot of education and life experiences ends up with low self-esteem. She had more opportunities in life than most folks do and she blew them all.
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and thus the chink in the armour of your theory.
Yes some ppl will be offered opportunities that others are not, this can be based on a number of things lets say as in your example looks.
The pretty girl gets courted by a succesful gentleman and is wined and dined until they get married in which she never has to work again.
Lets take a completely opposite person and say she is so ugly that nobody wants to date her. Well this may seem like a hindrance but you see it opens up other opportunities for her. The less time spent with a significant other means she can devote more time to education and bettering her situation through other means.
You guys think that simply because ppl dont have the same opportunity they are getting screwed.
If you ever get a chance to read malcom gladwells outsiders I encourgage you to do so, it goes hand in hand with you utopian view.
one point he made was that those kids who have birthdays just after cut offs for sports tryouts generally seem be bigger as they have a whole year to grow as opposed to those kids with birthdays just before the cutoff. This means they are bigger, b/c they are bigger and more cordinated they are given more attention by the coaches, this leads to more playing time, which leads to making select teams, which leads to more coaching and so on and so on until you begin to see a grouping of birth dates around these cut offs in high school, college and pro athletics.
What he also mentions however is that the kids whos birthdays are just before the cut off while they may not exceed in sports do tend to outperform the other group in school, music, art etc...
opportunities are all around us, its just recognizing them and capitalizing on them that makes you successful.
Tony mcTony you don't have any idea what I think. This is clear. You've read some libertarian stuff that you're dying to parrot. I get it. Please don't put me in some box because I vote democrat. That's only the way I think the country should be run. On a personal level, I'm pretty much a straight libertarian. I want to do what I want when I want (smoke whatever, juice, anything that only can hurt me) and I fully believe in accountability insofar as if you cut me off in traffic you deserve to die. Do you get the idea now? Thing is, I recognize that you cannot run a non-chaotic country like that. Too many people. So you need regulation. You need to be able to protect the dumb and the weak from the smart and the strong. Every man for himself cannot possibly work on a large scale.
BTW, your examples are weak. So you're saying that the pretty girl's prettiness somehow keeps her from being able to study? As Dwight Shrute would say, "False!". In fact, she's lucky enough that she can study OR spend her time being chased by Mr. Right. All other things being equal, she has more opportunities than the ugly girl. That's not the same as saying the ugly girl has none and I didn't mean to imply that. (You seem prone to jumping to the wrong conclusion, but the writing skills of all us libs is to blame, eh?)
BTW, when you say "successful" do you mean "happy"? It'd be interesting for me to know your definition of happy, I think.
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It wasn't luck, he couldn't have possibly been born to anyone else. His mother moved here and she produced her genetic, flesh and blood offspring.
His dear mother gave birth to an ownage machine.
Yes, for him, it was luck. His luck that his mom decided to emigrate to the USA. Also luck that the particular sperm and particular egg that spawned him happened to meet. Had this lucky (for him) accident not occurred, he wouldn't exist.
Ownage machine? Ninja, please.
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Yes, for him, it was luck. His luck that his mom decided to emigrate to the USA. Also luck that the particular sperm and particular egg that spawned him happened to meet. Had this lucky (for him) accident not occurred, he wouldn't exist.
Ownage machine? Ninja, please.
Ninja, there's no such thing as luck. :P
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Or you can go to school get educated and obtain a job that can't be replaced by a piece of equipment or software.
You like most liberals have this fallacy that businesses are there to support their employees. If you start to look at things from a business perspective you might start advocating laws and legislation that helps keep jobs here and even create new ones
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41OPxnvvXTL._SY344_PJlook-inside-v2,TopRight,1,0_SH20_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg)
He lifts too. ;D
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Ninja, there's no such thing as luck. :P
Good luck telling that to every Asian, everywhere. lol (Helpful Note: "Ruck" = "Luck".)
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http://www.utexas.edu/depts/ic2/et/learner/general.html
"The welfare population is characterized as mostly single mothers in their 20s and 30s with one or two children."
sounds like some great life decisions going on with this group........
right. but try and walk into a high school and tell them to preach abstinence and you're a "bible thumping asshole trying to shove your morals down our throats". flash forward 5 years and they have 2 kids, no dad, and they're on welfare. and none of this is their fault. now everyone owes them.
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right. but try and walk into a high school and tell them to preach abstinence and you're a "bible thumping asshole trying to shove your morals down our throats". flash forward 5 years and they have 2 kids, no dad, and they're on welfare. and none of this is their fault. now everyone owes them.
The states that preach and teach abstinence have the highest rates of teen pregnancy and unwed mothers. Bible thumping neanderthals.
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Actually, you are lucky to be alive but I don't know enough about your "situation" to call it lucky or not. (You've apparently been hanging out on getbig today long enough for me to go to the gym and train arms so that right there would cause me to hesitate to call you lucky.)
I'll answer your other question, too.
Strictly speaking, there isn't enough info here. If she's independently wealthy (an heiress or royalty or a famous celeb) then she very well may be living her life responsibly. Even if she isn't, aren't you assuming that her situation is completely of her own choosing? I guess it's maybe fair to assume she chose to have consensual sex that created the kids, but the lack of education and being single could easily not have really been her fault. (Unless she lived in France where, I hear, the have state-funded child-care which would give her the chance to go back to school -- You should check into that.) So, yeah, I will join you in the slut-shaming. Stupid 'ho should have known better than to open her legs for --- wait a minute, maybe it was her step-dad who fathered the kids. Then the decision not to marry the father of the kids sounds better. Hmmm.. Yeah, I can't answer unless you give more info.
hi there just got back from a 12 hour day working at a job I just happend to find one day walking along aimlessly...ALL LUCK LIKE!!! ;)
seriously now you asked what I thought successful means and for the confines of this discussion as it has become about getting money from other ppl through the govt lets define successful as someone who doesnt use govt assistance.
An heiriss or someone who is independently wealthy isnt counting on someone elses money given to them to get by so that example doesnt apply.
Lets say that as in the VAST MAJORITY of cases these children were concieved through consentual sexual relations. This means that they knew the possible outcomes going in and decided to partake in the act that could result in a baby. This is as you probably will agree A BAD LIFE CHOICE!!!!!!!!!
It wasnt bad luck that these people had a child it was a bad choice one that was repeated in 59% of these people...
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Tony mcTony you don't have any idea what I think. This is clear. You've read some libertarian stuff that you're dying to parrot. I get it. Please don't put me in some box because I vote democrat. That's only the way I think the country should be run. On a personal level, I'm pretty much a straight libertarian. I want to do what I want when I want (smoke whatever, juice, anything that only can hurt me) and I fully believe in accountability insofar as if you cut me off in traffic you deserve to die. Do you get the idea now? Thing is, I recognize that you cannot run a non-chaotic country like that. Too many people. So you need regulation. You need to be able to protect the dumb and the weak from the smart and the strong. Every man for himself cannot possibly work on a large scale.
BTW, your examples are weak. So you're saying that the pretty girl's prettiness somehow keeps her from being able to study? As Dwight Shrute would say, "False!". In fact, she's lucky enough that she can study OR spend her time being chased by Mr. Right. All other things being equal, she has more opportunities than the ugly girl. That's not the same as saying the ugly girl has none and I didn't mean to imply that. (You seem prone to jumping to the wrong conclusion, but the writing skills of all us libs is to blame, eh?)
BTW, when you say "successful" do you mean "happy"? It'd be interesting for me to know your definition of happy, I think.
LMFAO "libertarian"??? do you even know who malcom gladwell is? That mother fucker is a staunch liberal progressive!!!!
I have never advocated everyman for himself, I have said multiple times that I believe you should help other people. I volunteer both my time and money to help those less fortunate. What I dont advocate is the GOVT TELLING ME WHO I NEED TO HELP. Sorry you have 2 or 3 kids unmarried before your 30 with at most a high school education, you didnt have bad luck you made some fucking horrible choices!!!!
All other things being equal, she has more opportunities than the ugly girl.
You guys think that simply because ppl dont have the same opportunity they are getting screwed.
DING DING DING!!!! what do I win?
The examples were meant to show you that EVERYONE, ESPECIALLY IN THE US has plenty of opportunities to succeed. Some I agree with you have more and better opportunities but its not the opportunities that make one person successful and another an unwed mother of 3 with at most a high school education.
Its the decisions they make and whether or not they capitalize on those opportunities in front of them.
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hi there just got back from a 12 hour day working at a job I just happend to find one day walking along aimlessly...ALL LUCK LIKE!!! ;)
seriously now you asked what I thought successful means and for the confines of this discussion as it has become about getting money from other ppl through the govt lets define successful as someone who doesnt use govt assistance.
An heiriss or someone who is independently wealthy isnt counting on someone elses money given to them to get by so that example doesnt apply.
Lets say that as in the VAST MAJORITY of cases these children were concieved through consentual sexual relations. This means that they knew the possible outcomes going in and decided to partake in the act that could result in a baby. This is as you probably will agree A BAD LIFE CHOICE!!!!!!!!!
It wasnt bad luck that these people had a child it was a bad choice one that was repeated in 59% of these people...
Out of curiosity (and a slight urge to rip on your disregard for spelling and punctuation which I'll try to resist except to mention it here), what sort of job do you do, anyway?
And I didn't ask what you thought successful was in my post that you quoted, it was in a different post (that I'm too lazy to look for) and in it, I believe, I also asked how you'd define happiness. I'd rather you answer that question, if you don't mind.
So, what?, you are arguing for abstinence here? LOL. Seems to me that of people who would be likely to seriously suggest abstinence as a reasonable strategy for life, getbiggers would be some of least likely. After all, most of us KNOW the power of hormones.
Anyway, like I said, if these single mothers made bad choices, it's probably just in their choice of the father -- because a girl can do a lot with a 18 years' worth of child support payments from a guy with a good income. (Thanks for making me depressed, you dick.) lol
Anyway, why are you still talking about this? Life's outcomes are a combination of our choices and luck. The better choices one makes, the less luck one needs, for sure...BUT even the very best choices + the hardest work + superior aptitude can be completely wiped out by one stroke of very bad luck. By the same token, the stupidest, laziest, most irresponsible among us can...you know the rest.
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LMFAO "libertarian"??? do you even know who malcom gladwell is? That mother fucker is a staunch liberal progressive!!!!
I have never advocated everyman for himself, I have said multiple times that I believe you should help other people. I volunteer both my time and money to help those less fortunate. What I dont advocate is the GOVT TELLING ME WHO I NEED TO HELP. Sorry you have 2 or 3 kids unmarried before your 30 with at most a high school education, you didnt have bad luck you made some fucking horrible choices!!!!
DING DING DING!!!! what do I win?
The examples were meant to show you that EVERYONE, ESPECIALLY IN THE US has plenty of opportunities to succeed. Some I agree with you have more and better opportunities but its not the opportunities that make one person successful and another an unwed mother of 3 with at most a high school education.
Its the decisions they make and whether or not they capitalize on those opportunities in front of them.
You are an idiot for presuming that because you mentioned Gladwell and I mentioned I thought you'd read some libertarian stuff that I think Gladwell is a libertarian. As Dwight Schrute would say, "False!" My mistake for assuming that you've read other material besides Gladwell, right? Jesus, you must be trolling, right?
As far as me presuming you are a libertarian (not because of Gladwell, haha), it seemed that way from what you talk about. I'm no expert in what it means to be a libertarian but they, AFAIK, also really don't like to be told what to do. They particularly object to giving their money to anyone not of their choosing. They are also heavily invested in the idea of accountability. I'm not trying to dog you here but doesn't this sound like you? Tell me some ways that your beliefs/values differ from those of a libertarian and maybe I'll buy the fact that you're not. (And honestly, who cares if you are? Own that shit.)
I agree with some of what you say but luck trumps all. Whether we're talking about your ability to support yourself financially or whether we're talking about if you'll wake up alive tomorrow to see another day. What did Bill Hicks say after he took a drag off his cigarette? "Non-smokers die everyday." To which I'll add, "People who make good choices fail every day". If you deny this, then you are not very well acquainted with the world around you. Unless you're some sort of immortal being, you'll know it sooner or later, though. (You can belee' dat.)
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Out of curiosity (and a slight urge to rip on your disregard for spelling and punctuation which I'll try to resist except to mention it here), what sort of job do you do, anyway?
And I didn't ask what you thought successful was in my post that you quoted, it was in a different post (that I'm too lazy to look for) and in it, I believe, I also asked how you'd define happiness. I'd rather you answer that question, if you don't mind.
So, what?, you are arguing for abstinence here? LOL. Seems to me that of people who would be likely to seriously suggest abstinence as a reasonable strategy for life, getbiggers would be some of least likely. After all, most of us KNOW the power of hormones.
Anyway, like I said, if these single mothers made bad choices, it's probably just in their choice of the father -- because a girl can do a lot with a 18 years' worth of child support payments from a guy with a good income. (Thanks for making me depressed, you dick.) lol
Anyway, why are you still talking about this? Life's outcomes are a combination of our choices and luck. The better choices one makes, the less luck one needs, for sure...BUT even the very best choices + the hardest work + superior aptitude can be completely wiped out by one stroke of very bad luck. By the same token, the stupidest, laziest, most irresponsible among us can...you know the rest.
1. I dont come here to worry about spelling correctly and writing complete sentences etc. I spend a good portion of my day worrying about such things and I dont feel like this is so important I need to spell/grammer check everything. I work in the financial services field, specifically I work as an anlyst for a group of financial advisors...and you RRKORE what do you do for a living?
2. I never said you asked me in the post I quoted I addressed it there b/c it was relevant to the discussion at that point and adding an additional post would have created a longer and more drawn out thread
3. YES you did ask me what I meant by succesful? specifically you asked if I meant happiness instead of successful and NO, I DIDNT...
4. Im not arguing for abstinence although that is a better choice than 3 kids before you turn 30 or get a high school diploma...DONT YOU THINK???? LOL What I am arguing for it making better choices like using condoms, birth control pill or any of the plethora of other contraception readily available these days of which YES ABSTINENCE IS ONE...
5. I agree their choice in mate was equally as bad as their choice to have unprotected sex resulting in multiple children before 30 and without a high school education.
6. B/c liberals such as you and abraham need to understand that the majority of ppl receiving govt assistance arent ppl who are simply down on their luck. In the majority of cases THESE PEOPLE MADE HORRIBLE LIFE DECISIONS and it shouldnt be other peoples mandated responsibility to take care of them.
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You are an idiot for presuming that because you mentioned Gladwell and I mentioned I thought you'd read some libertarian stuff that I think Gladwell is a libertarian. As Dwight Schrute would say, "False!" My mistake for assuming that you've read other material besides Gladwell, right? Jesus, you must be trolling, right?
As far as me presuming you are a libertarian (not because of Gladwell, haha), it seemed that way from what you talk about. I'm no expert in what it means to be a libertarian but they, AFAIK, also really don't like to be told what to do. They particularly object to giving their money to anyone not of their choosing. They are also heavily invested in the idea of accountability. I'm not trying to dog you here but doesn't this sound like you? Tell me some ways that your beliefs/values differ from those of a libertarian and maybe I'll buy the fact that you're not. (And honestly, who cares if you are? Own that shit.)
I agree with some of what you say but luck trumps all. Whether we're talking about your ability to support yourself financially or whether we're talking about if you'll wake up alive tomorrow to see another day. What did Bill Hicks say after he took a drag off his cigarette? "Non-smokers die everyday." To which I'll add, "People who make good choices fail every day". If you deny this, then you are not very well acquainted with the world around you. Unless you're some sort of immortal being, you'll know it sooner or later, though. (You can belee' dat.)
bull shit...
A person who makes good choices everyday is going to end up better than a person who makes bad choices every day the vast majority of the time.
If you truly believe the bull shit you spout Im guessing you dont work very much and are waiting for your lucky break? seeing as luck trumps all ::)
ps I didnt think you were calling me a libertarian there brain child, it was implied that you were calling gladwell a libertarian.
I dont have any issue with being called a libertarian I would say I generally refer to myself as a true conservative, not like the big govt conservatives that make up the republican party these days though. I agree I think libertarians and conservatives have a lot in common though so whatever....
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1. I dont come here to worry about spelling correctly and writing complete sentences etc. I spend a good portion of my day worrying about such things and I dont feel like this is so important I need to spell/grammer check everything. I work in the financial services field, specifically I work as an anlyst for a group of financial advisors...and you RRKORE what do you do for a living?
2. I never said you asked me in the post I quoted I addressed it there b/c it was relevant to the discussion at that point and adding an additional post would have created a longer and more drawn out thread
3. YES you did ask me what I meant by succesful? specifically you asked if I meant happiness instead of successful and NO, I DIDNT...
4. Im not arguing for abstinence although that is a better choice than 3 kids before you turn 30 or get a high school diploma...DONT YOU THINK???? LOL What I am arguing for it making better choices like using condoms, birth control pill or any of the plethora of other contraception readily available these days of which YES ABSTINENCE IS ONE...
5. I agree their choice in mate was equally as bad as their choice to have unprotected sex resulting in multiple children before 30 and without a high school education.
6. B/c liberals such as you and abraham need to understand that the majority of ppl receiving govt assistance are ppl who are simply down on their luck. In the majority of cases THESE PEOPLE MADE HORRIBLE LIFE DECISIONS and it shouldnt be other peoples mandated responsibility to take care of them.
I'm a Software Quality Assurance Engineer by title. But not by education at all. I lucked into the position, haha. (It's completely true.)
An old buddy of mine called me out of the blue just as I was really wanting to quit a management job that sucked (I hate being in charge of people, I came to learn) so I came to his company which, as a pre-condition to taking on new contractors, had a 2-day training and then a test. I did very well, worked for them as a contractor for about a year, and then was hired on full-time. All about 11 years ago. By education, I was a foreign language major at a top public university. I did not finish my degree. (Here's the thing about advanced foreign language education -- after a certain point, it feels like an english class so fuck that.) Unlike you, apparently (I could be wrong), I've never seen money as worth a lot of effort to get. I'd feel differently if we were immortal but we're not. Since an early age I've felt that if we're just gonna die anyway, then as long as you have enough money to stay away from stressful situations, that's enough. I still feel pretty much the same way except I need a little more money now that I have a young wife and a kid that I don't want to leave in a bad spot when I die. It's always been clear to me that financial "success" and happiness are not at all the same thing. You DO need some financial success to avoid unhappiness, however. Hopefully that distinction is clear to you.
Anyway, I'm not sure what concession you're really after. Do I think those on the dole have some responsibility for their plight? Sure, but bad luck (not to mention some sort of systemic unfairness) has surely played a role also. You're finally acknowledging this a little bit and that's great. BTW, I notice that you say that "In the majority of cases..." (which is admirably honest and accurate on your part) people have dug their own graves, but then you go on to say that others shouldn't have to pay for their bad choices. I might agree with this a little bit but how would you distinguish between the ones who fate just fucked and the ones who are polluting the gene pool? (This is the kind of thing, btw, that a libertarian would say.) Unless you've committed some horrendous crime, everyone deserves some happiness, don't you think? It's funny -- You'd think you were the big believer in luck/fate the way seem to be saying to most of those who depend on others to live, "Accept your fate!, I will not be told to help you." These are your fellow humans, your fellow Americans. Did you not get enough hugs as a kid? Sorry, that was dickish and maybe completely off-base.
You remind me of this slightly older guy I used to train with back in high school (he did not go to my school, though) who I reacquainted myself with on FB after losing touch for over 20 years. So freakin' depreessing to me that this guy (who always was kind of socially retarded and weird but not stupid -- he had a bad stutter largely, I think, because of his scary asshole dad who terrorized their whole family) was still in the same town, still single (he's decent looking, actually), semi-retired (because of good investments) but has never been out of the country (barely out of the state, really) who was trying to convince me he's happy because he owns 2 houses and a bunch of vehicles. Of course, he was trying to convince me of how happy he is after initially complaining like a mofo about, well, everything including "the abysmal dating situation" for guys his age back because I started giving him real advice on how to improve his life. What it comes down to, with him (and I hope not for you) is that he sees no value at all in spending money on anything that he can't get some financial return on at a later date. So, spending money on trips, food, and... Ah, shit. I gotta go -- I just got an email from these guys in Taiwan (it's almost 11am there) I'm working with and I've gotta write up some shit for my team. Anyway, don't be like my dumbass friend and vaya con queso. Gotta go chase paper (or some such shit).
Oh, btw, your spelling and grammar are irksome. No matter how many exclamation points you use, you can still use an occasional apostrophe. I promise. Later.
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If you truly believe the bull shit you spout Im guessing you dont work very much and are waiting for your lucky break? seeing as luck trumps all ::)
Oh shit, you ARE like my old friend. My condolences.
BTW, you should stop guessing. You don't seem to be good at it. -- I have been making $85k/year for quite a while now doing a job I like. Nothing compared to your average getbigger who has a 6 figure income, 22-inch arms, and a super-model girlfriend, I realize, but I'm comfortable financially. I could be happy, though, on maybe a quarter of what I make now. Give me a good internet connection, a shack near the beach and the attention of my woman and I'm cool. How about you, brother?
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OK, I really gotta go. Gotta write some stuff for work and then go train hams, calves and abs. I might be on later, but the wife won't like it.
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Oh shit, you ARE like my old friend. My condolences.
BTW, you should stop guessing. You don't seem to be good at it. -- I have been making $85k/year for quite a while now doing a job I like. Nothing compared to your average getbigger who has a 6 figure income, 22-inch arms, and a super-model girlfriend and a fully functional 9.5 inch cock with hours and hours of stamina and the ability to reload ten minutes after ejaculating. I realize, but I'm comfortable financially. I could be happy, though, on maybe a quarter of what I make now. Give me a good internet connection, a shack near the beach and the attention of my woman and I'm cool. How about you, brother?
I actually feel kind of bad for McTony. We are so in his mind it's not even funny. By the way, I fixed your post.
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I actually feel kind of bad for McTony. We are so in his mind it's not even funny. By the way, I fixed your post.
Brah, the last four pages are packed with posts from you and kore.
As if good luck is required in order to stay off public assistance, and not repeatedly, and consciously make the wrong decisions.
The WWII generation must be rolling in their graves... :-\
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Brah, the last four pages are packed with posts from you and kore.
As if good luck is required in order to stay off public assistance, and not repeatedly, and consciously make the wrong decisions.
The WWII generation must be rolling in their graves... :-\
Thank you Mr. Mensa.
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Thank you Mr. Mensa.
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RB, YOU are my favorite conservative. You seem to have an honest-to-goodness sense of humor.
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RB, YOU are my favorite conservative. You seem to have an honest-to-goodness sense of humor.
I appreciate that! ;D
You're my favorite liberal! 8)
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The states that preach and teach abstinence have the highest rates of teen pregnancy and unwed mothers. Bible thumping neanderthals.
and "safe sex education" doesn't work either. so why are you calling them neanderthals? do you have better ideas? you think its a good idea for 13 year old girls to fuck guys? i don't. so i guess i am a bible thumper?
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http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/Chicago-Man-Helps-Student-Who-Penned-Angry-Note-to-Bike-Thief-230051331.html?_osource=SocialFlowFB_CHBrand
this girl doesn't deserve any of this. she's just been so much luckier than the guy who stole her bike. we should find this guy and buy him another bike right?
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The WWII generation must be rolling in their graves... :-\
Hey wait a minute! Some of us WWII folks aren't in our graves yet. In fact a lot of us aren't. I was born in 1944, right at the end of WWII. I hope the pyre is still a long ways off....don't want a grave.
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Hey wait a minute! Some of us WWII folks aren't in our graves yet. In fact a lot of us aren't. I was born in 1944, right at the end of WWII. I hope the pyre is still a long ways off....don't want a grave.
I'm going to lump you in with the baby boomers...
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I'm going to lump you in with the baby boomers...
Close, but no cigar. Baby Boomers are folks born between 1946 and 1964. I am too old to be a baby anything.
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Close, but no cigar. Baby Boomers are folks born between 1946 and 1964. I am too old to be a baby anything.
you are not a member of the ww2 generation. You are a baby boomer, clearly. 2 years is not enough to haggle about.
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you are not a member of the ww2 generation. You are a baby boomer, clearly. 2 years is not enough to haggle about.
WWII ended August 15, 1945. I was born a year, almost to the day, before this. Thanks for trying to make me a bit younger though.
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WWII ended August 15, 1945. I was born a year, almost to the day, before this. Thanks for trying to make me a bit younger though.
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He's talking about the people that fought, grew up and worked during the war, not the kids born during the war, you fucking belligerent asshat. You know this, yet you're just being a dick.
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He's talking about the people that fought, grew up and worked during the war, not the kids born during the war, you fucking belligerent asshat. You know this, yet you're just being a dick.
Just trying to be more like you. ::)
I am being correct. If you don't get it then you are the kind of asshat who fails.
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Just trying to be more like you. ::)
I am being correct. If you don't get it then you are the kind of asshat who fails.
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Im a huge fan of your logic.....
that whenever someone refers to the wwII generation, theyre clearly referring to the infants born at the end of the war that literally have no recollection of anything that went on during that time period.
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Im a huge fan of your logic.....
that whenever someone refers to the wwII generation, theyre clearly referring to the infants born at the end of the war that literally have no recollection of anything that went on during that time period.
Thanks for he compliment.
These are the facts. My logic nor yours changes the facts. Now if you want to discuss opinion as opposed to facts or logic, I see my life experience as being consistent with that of baby boomers.....hope this makes you happy.
Here is a brief description of each generation and their timeline working back from the present to the beginning of the 20th century. You will see that in ever case a generation is determined by when people were born. Note: there is a small window between 1943 and 1945 with no definition. I guess this means I am part of a really special group born during this time which cannot be categorized. ;D
Generation Z is one name used for the cohort of people born after the Millennial Generation. There is no agreement on the exact dates of the generation with some sources starting it at the late 1990s or from the mid 2000s to the present day. This is the generation which is currently being born.
The Millennial Generation, also known as Generation Y, is the demographic cohort following Generation X. Commentators use beginning birth dates from the early 1980s to the early 2000s.
Generation X, commonly abbreviated to Gen X, is the generation born after the Western Post–World War II baby boom. Demographers, historians and commentators use beginning birth dates from the early 1960s to the early 1980s.
A baby boomer is a person who was born during the demographic Post–World War II baby boom between the years 1946 and 1964, according to the U.S. Census Bureau.
Silent Generation is a label for the generation of people born from 1925–1942 notably during the Great Depression and World War II. The label was originally applied to people in North America but has also been applied to those in Western Europe, Australasia and South America. It includes most of those who fought during the Korean War.
"The Greatest Generation" born between 1900-1924 is a term coined by journalist Tom Brokaw to describe the generation who grew up in the United States during the deprivation of the Great Depression, and then went on to fight in World War II, as well as those whose productivity within the war's home front made a decisive material contribution to the war effort, for which the generation is also termed the G.I. Generation.
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Thanks for he compliment.
These are the facts. My logic nor yours changes the facts. Now if you want to discuss opinion as opposed to facts or logic, I see my life experience as being consistent with that of baby boomers.....hope this makes you happy.
Here is a brief description of each generation and their timeline working back from the present to the beginning of the 20th century. You will see that in ever case a generation is determined by when people were born. Note: there is a small window between 1943 and 1945 with no definition. I guess this means I am part of a really special group born during this time which cannot be categorized. ;D
Meltdown
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Meltdown
If you like to think of it as such, be my guest.
I know my tendency to stick to the facts can be annoying, especially to people who aren't intellectual and tend more towards the emotional. Speaking of which, I am not very emotional, so to suggest I am having a meltdown is completely inaccurate and patently absurd.
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If you like to think of it as such, be my guest.
I know my tendency to stick to the facts can be annoying, especially to people who aren't intellectual and tend more towards the emotional. Speaking of which, I am not very emotional, so to suggest I am having a meltdown is completely inaccurate and patently absurd.
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If you like to think of it as such, be my guest.
I know my tendency to stick to the facts can be annoying, especially to people who aren't intellectual and tend more towards the emotional. Speaking of which, I am not very emotional, so to suggest I am having a meltdown is completely inaccurate and patently absurd.
Hahaha, yeah, thats clearly it. That also must be why youre becoming so universally reviled on getbig.
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and "safe sex education" doesn't work either. so why are you calling them neanderthals? do you have better ideas? you think its a good idea for 13 year old girls to fuck guys? i don't. so i guess i am a bible thumper?
That's just flat out false. Rubbers don't prevent pregnancies and most STD's? Really? What else you got Dr. Fine? Or is it Dr. Howard? Or maybe Dr. Fine?
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That's just flat out false. Rubbers don't prevent pregnancies and most STD's? Really? What else you got Dr. Fine? Or is it Dr. Howard? Or maybe Dr. Fine?
thats great now if you teach those welfare recipients that after their first child it would be a huge step in the right direction ;)
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thats great now if you teach those welfare recipients that after their first child it would be a huge step in the right direction ;)
I agree with you. Why not teach them before their 1st child?
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I agree with you. Why not teach them before their 1st child?
Adult people need to be 'taught' that sex could result in a baby or that condoms aren't always effective?
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Adult people need to be 'taught' that sex could result in a baby or that condoms aren't always effective?
Having a baby should be a gift and not an unfortunate result of a little fun. There is no reason why people in developed countries are having babies by mistake.
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Adult people need to be 'taught' that sex could result in a baby or that condoms aren't always effective?
No, they don't need to be taught so long as they are taught as teens and pre=teens. It isn't 100% effective, but it sure beats the hell out of bible thumping abstinence only horse shit.
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No, they don't need to be taught so long as they are taught as teens and pre=teens. It isn't 100% effective, but it sure beats the hell out of bible thumping abstinence only horse shit.
And when they still go ahead and have a baby they can't afford and fuck up their lives in the process, I want to hear no excuses.
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Having a baby should be a gift and not an unfortunate result of a little fun. There is no reason why people in developed countries are having babies by mistake.
fucking agreed
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And when they still go ahead and have a baby they can't afford and fuck up their lives in the process, I want to hear no excuses.
nope according to abby and kore they are just ppl who have had bad luck
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nope according to abby and kore they are just ppl who have had bad luck
"Just"? Words don't really have defined meanings in your world, do they? Are you maybe better with numbers? I believe you've referred to college, right? What was your major?
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"Just"? Words don't really have defined meanings in your world, do they? Are you maybe better with numbers? I believe you've referred to college, right? What was your major?
you seem incredibly interested in the details Of my life, do a search on here and then post a pic and some details of your life if you feel like that is important
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you seem incredibly interested in the details Of my life, do a search on here and then post a pic and some details of your life if you feel like that is important
Seems to me that you're the one with the mancrush on me and RR as you cannot seem to stay away from this thread, not too mention you mention the two of us every chance you get.
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Seems to me that you're the one with the mancrush on me and RR as you cannot seem to stay away from this thread, not too mention you mention the two of us every chance you get.
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Years from now Tony will be regaling others on some other board about his halcyon days as a national champion of debate who once vanquished the evil AbrahamG and RRKore. lol.