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(http://www.emusclemag.com/webimages/sandows/yates/1_lrg.jpg)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=49784.0;id=51188;image)
Need I say more??
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One top bodybuilder slept with a transvestite named Sasha Ogata.
That was probably the worst judgement call in BBing history.
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Any other notables?
Arnold winning the 1980 Olympia
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One top bodybuilder slept with a transvestite named Sasha Ogata.
That was probably the worst judgement call in BBing history.
mmm 240 i thought u said u was reborn...
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One top bodybuilder slept with a transvestite named Sasha Ogata.
That was probably the worst judgement call in BBing history.
Now that was funny !!
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Enough said ;)
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Does this honestly look like Jay Cutler was significantly ahead of Ronnie?
Ronnie was considerably off but I would still put him ahead of Jay Cutler at his best.
Now 2002 is another story. It is really hard to debate Ronnie deserved that victory. Had he entered in his 2002 BFTO shape, it would have been another story.
I seen all the pics and the vid , Jay won that contest outright , he may not be better than Ronnie 364 days of the year but that day he was and he deserved to win , Ronnie knows it , I know and you know it even if you wont admit it.
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mmmm..ok
i see... so ur pissing him off then?
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The difference between 2001 and 1994 is this:
2001 was still debatable. It was close, and everyone can see that.
On the other hand, I don't think anyone in their right mind (except ND who is on crack anyway) thinks that 1994 was undebatable. It was a robbery, plain and simple. Everyone has been saying that for years. There was no debate about that.
I have never really heard anyone make a sound case for Dorian winning in the kind of shape that he was in 1994, especiall with Shawn ray showing up looking like he did.. I mean look at that shot from the contest that I posted - that is, in my opinion, THE greatest arms forward most muscular ever, even better than Kevin!
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Arnold winning the 1980 Olympia
The one-legged Franco win beats this
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The difference between 2001 and 1994 is this:
2001 was still debatable. It was close, and everyone can see that.
On the other hand, I don't think anyone in their right mind (except ND who is on crack anyway) thinks that 1994 was undebatable. It was a robbery, plain and simple. Everyone has been saying that for years. There was no debate about that.
I have never really heard anyone make a sound case for Dorian winning in the kind of shape that he was in 1994, especiall with Shawn ray showing up looking like he did.. I mean look at that shot from the contest that I posted - that is, in my opinion, THE greatest arms forward most muscular ever, even better than Kevin!
Shawn Ray himself said he got the place he deserved , I guess thats not good enough for you , oh maybe the controversy you're talking about his Kevin being pissed he got 3rd lol here is a pic from the 94 Olympia looks great to me.
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betil and mentzer not being olympia one time and shawn twice
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Shredded back , striated glutes another day at the office.
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Shawn Ray himself said he got the place he deserved , I guess thats not good enough for you , oh maybe the controversy you're talking about his Kevin being pissed he got 3rd lol here is a pic from the 94 Olympia looks great to me.
that pic is NOT from the 94 O. It is from the 94 English grand prix where dorian looked much better.
If I had a scanner I could prove it as I have the flex mag with the 94 grand prix coverage in it.
Dorian looked like shit in 94, stop posting pics from another contest to try and justify Dorians win.
It only makes you look retarded!
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I would have to say Bertil Fox placing fifth at the '83 Olympia would be way up there. He deserved no less than second.
Any other notables?
That has got to be the 91 O. Haney, together with Oliva and Yates himself, is one of the most genetically gifted bodybuilders in history, but he lost that contest. Sorry, but I think that, if you win the muscularity round, you should win the contest. inning the mandatories-by a few points-and the posing round should not give you a contest.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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that pic is NOT from the 94 O. It is from the 94 English grand prix where dorian looked much better.
If I had a scanner I could prove it as I have the flex mag with the 94 grand prix coverage in it.
Dorian looked like shit in 94, stop posting pics from another contest to try and justify Dorians win.
It only makes you look retarded!
First of all I'm not a 100% sure if you're right about that and second this is comming from a guy who posts photohopped pics please ::)
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that pic is NOT from the 94 O. It is from the 94 English grand prix where dorian looked much better.
If I had a scanner I could prove it as I have the flex mag with the 94 grand prix coverage in it.
Dorian looked like shit in 94, stop posting pics from another contest to try and justify Dorians win.
It only makes you look retarded!
hulkster, luv ya but you are brainwashed like kelly ryan and have no rational mind remaining
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First of all I'm not a 100% sure if you're right about that and second this is comming from a guy who posts photohopped pics please ::)
name one shot that I have posted that is photophopped Mr. Dorian black and White rear lat spread!! oh... you forgot about that one didn't you? ;)
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The difference between 2001 and 1994 is this:
2001 was still debatable. It was close, and everyone can see that.
On the other hand, I don't think anyone in their right mind (except ND who is on crack anyway) thinks that 1994 was undebatable. It was a robbery, plain and simple. Everyone has been saying that for years. There was no debate about that.
I have never really heard anyone make a sound case for Dorian winning in the kind of shape that he was in 1994, especiall with Shawn ray showing up looking like he did.. I mean look at that shot from the contest that I posted - that is, in my opinion, THE greatest arms forward most muscular ever, even better than Kevin!
At this time it's all about mass, mass game, and if you have seen the video, Dorian could have eaten Ray for dinner. If you had the mass and a great back your won. Shawn's back was nothing compared to Yates.
Now going by your standards Coleman should have lost in 04 since he looked like a sack of shit
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At this time it's all about mass, mass game, and if you have seen the video, Dorian could have eaten Ray for dinner. If you had the mass and a great back your won. Shawn's back was nothing compared to Yates.
Now going by your standards Coleman should have lost in 04 since he looked like a sack of shit
I agree that Ronnie looked terrible in 04. But he didn't have an in career best shape Shawn Ray to challenge him..
He had..blocky Jay?? Badell? Gunter? Rhul??
If Ronnie had competed in say 98 looking like he did in 04 he wouldn't have made the top 6.
Ronnie was lucky that his competition sucked in 04.
And as far as Shawns back being nothing compared to yates, well here is a shot from 95, when dorian was in shape, and I would say that Shawn actually beats dorian in this pose!
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=30855.0;id=29844;image)
that is one impressive double bi!
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I agree that Ronnie looked terrible in 04. But he didn't have an in career best shape Shawn Ray to challenge him..
He had..blocky Jay?? Badell? Gunter? Rhul??
If Ronnie had competed in say 98 looking like he did in 04 he wouldn't have made the top 6.
Ronnie was lucky that his competition sucked in 04.
And as far as Shawns back being nothing compared to yates, well here is a shot from 95, when dorian was in shape, and I would say that Shawn actually beats dorian in this pose!
that is one impressive double bi!
Yates owns the back shot , he has width , thickness and detail not to mention better calves , I'm sorry Hulkster but Shawn isn't even close and never was.
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240 can be reborn as the Messiah and he would still be an arsehole who thought he was funny
bertils shaft at the 83 Olympia
shawn ray getting 4th at the 92 O
Jay cutlers 2nd place in 01
lee priest getting 5th in the (?)99 NOC
Gunters 9th place at the 99 Arnold
there are so many, but they are the main ones that stick in my mind
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There's maybe three or four bb's in history with a back on par with Yates and Shawn Ray isn't one of them.
To argue Ray's back was better than Yates makes it hard to take your other points serious.
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dexter and chris losin to jay at the arnold 04
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I agree that Ronnie looked terrible in 04. But he didn't have an in career best shape Shawn Ray to challenge him..
He had..blocky Jay?? Badell? Gunter? Rhul??
If Ronnie had competed in say 98 looking like he did in 04 he wouldn't have made the top 6.
Ronnie was lucky that his competition sucked in 04.
And as far as Shawns back being nothing compared to yates, well here is a shot from 95, when dorian was in shape, and I would say that Shawn actually beats dorian in this pose!
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=30855.0;id=29844;image)
that is one impressive double bi!
Man are you deluded.Only a fool would believe that Shawn had a better back shot than Yates.
That was Yates' strength. Shawn was a match for Dorian in 94 from the front but when Yates turned around it was lights out.
Try looking at a picture that has both Doz and Shawn straight on in that pose and you will soon see why Yates won in 94.
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One top bodybuilder slept with a transvestite named Sasha Ogata.
That was probably the worst judgement call in BBing history.
I have slept with a tranny before, but I don't consider myself a top bodybuiler, but thanks for the compliment. ;)
Edit: Franco winning in '81. Absurd.
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(http://www.emusclemag.com/webimages/sandows/yates/1_lrg.jpg)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=49784.0;id=51188;image)
Need I say more??
How about a pic where they are both in the same pose?
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I am not saying that Shawn had a better back. I am merely pointing out, as was stated in several magazine reviews of the 94 Olympia, that Dorians back (esp. the lower back) "had filled in and flattened somewhat" and that Shawn's back was "detailed enough to hold its own against Yates".
These are direct quotes from Musclemags reveiw of the contest.
And they show one thing: Yates ace in the hole (the back) was not the weapon in 1994 that is usually was.
Shawns, while not nearly as thick and wide, was superdetailed enough to make Dorian sweat.
Yates back being down in impressiveness only adds to the rest of his flaws (gut, soft, torn biceps) that made 1994's victory so controversial.
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Dorian had the back, but shawn didnt have a single weakness in his entire physique. This is the man with the best abs and serratus ever seen onstage, the very personification of symmetrical perfection. There is no doubt he should have won atleast twice
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Dorian had the back, but shawn didnt have a single weakness in his entire physique. This is the man with the best abs and serratus ever seen onstage, the very personification of symmetrical perfection. There is no doubt he should have won atleast twice
When exactly?
Don't get me wrong. Shawn was a great BB but he had to contend with 3 great champions, and the bottom line is he was not as good as Haney, Yates or Coleman.
You can argue the same points about Levrone and Wheeler, but hey, its all about opinion
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Enough said ;)
Right - enough said because any asshole who thinks that Ronnie wasn't referring to JAY as being second should be committed.
;)
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When exactly?
Don't get me wrong. Shawn was a great BB but he had to contend with 3 great champions, and the bottom line is he was not as good as Haney, Yates or Coleman.
You can argue the same points about Levrone and Wheeler, but hey, its all about opinion
Shawn placed a very controversial second in 1996 as well.
And as far as Shawn not being as good as Yates Haney and Coleman, well, when all are at their best maybe not.
BUT what you will notice about ALL of these "controversies" is that the winner was NEVER at their best, always WAY off:
eg. Arnold 80, Coleman O1 and 02, Yates 94 and 96.
When the champs show up in bad shape, thats when the "underdogs" sometimes deserve to win the crown (esp. if the underdoog is in shape!)
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That was Yates' strength. Shawn was a match for Dorian in 94 from the front but when Yates turned around it was lights out.
Well at least it wasn't "lights out" in that shot. Sorry dude, Yates might have been bigger, but as far as detail from head to toe, Shawn made him look sick, especially in the arm and delt detail in which Yates' arms are practically none existant. He had waaay to many flaws to beat Shawn. Just as today, the judges had their heads up their butts!!
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Well at least it wasn't "lights out" in that shot. Sorry dude, Yates might have been bigger, but as far as detail from head to toe, Shawn made him look sick, especially in the arm and delt detail in which Yates' arms are practically none existant. He had waaay to many flaws to beat Shawn. Just as today, the judges had their heads up their butts!!
As I also mentioned that shot is not straight onand thus can often give the impression that one BB is better than another.
Also a photograph does not always give the true picture and can be decieving.
Shawn was a very good BB but as for him beating Doz from the back, its like trying to piss down your own back - Aint never gonna happen.
Yates, along with Coleman had the best back in BB history. While Doz may not have been at his best, it was still good enough.
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(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/yates/dy178.jpg)
here is Yates' back double bi from the 94 Olympia.
Certainly not what it looked like in 93. Very soft compared to shawns. And even Kevins could hold its own against that. Not in 93, but in 94 certainly.
Sorry, I just don't feel that Dorian deserved to win lat width alone, since, in the condition he was in, that is about all he had going for him. I mean, seriously, look at how horrible these shot are:
(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/yates/dy179.jpg)
(http://body.builder.hu/imagebank/pictures/974026580.jpg)
how is it that THIS was "good enough" to beat Shawn and Kevin in the kind of shape that they were in in 1994?
I'm just not seeing it..
See if it were a situation similar to ronnie 2004, where the defending champ was holding water, but had no really good competition, then maybe I can understand.
But it was the defending champ who was not only holding water, he had THE worst front double bi in Mr. O. history (by virtue of the tear, and body taper) and he was facing some of the GREATEST compeition of all time.
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Several:
Haney & Columbu: 10 Olympias
Robinson, Fox, 0 Olympias
Padilla, Mentzer,
Callender
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Though I think Ronnie's back has surpassed Dorian's, no one--past or present--can match this front lat spread.
Ronnie's, in fact, is pretty shitty, considering.
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(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/diablo86/94-line-up3.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/diablo86/94-line-up2.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/diablo86/94-line-up1.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/diablo86/94%20olympia/23.jpg)
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Those are awesome pics!!
and by the way,
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/diablo86/94%20olympia/23.jpg)
Dorian's arms are amazing...ly bad! :D
now that I see those lineup pics, to me anyway, Shawn does look better than Dorian in each of them. Yes, even the back double bi. Now, most won't agree with me, hey, what can ya do ;)
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I still can't believe that Jocelyn Pelletier lost the 2004 ironman. I mean, gimme a break!
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If anyone got screwed in 94 it was Cormier...you could easily argue for him beating Ray...
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If anyone got screwed in 94 it was Cormier...you could easily argue for him beating Ray...
I'd have to go with Shawn.
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Those are awesome pics!!
and by the way,
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/diablo86/94%20olympia/23.jpg)
Dorian's arms are amazing...ly bad! :D
now that I see those lineup pics, to me anyway, Shawn does look better than Dorian in each of them. Yes, even the back double bi. Now, most won't agree with me, hey, what can ya do ;)
Like I said...Yates' arms were non existant in every back shot!!
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I have slept with a tranny before, but I don't consider myself a top bodybuiler, but thanks for the compliment. ;)
Edit: Franco winning in '81. Absurd.
I second this. Padilla came 5th too! That is f*cking f*cked!! What a bunch of sh*t, I say f*ck it!
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Enough said ;)
Or even better you can quote a huuuuge Ronnie fan ... " Need I say more " ... ;D
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Weider sold to AMI
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I still can't believe that Jocelyn Pelletier lost the 2004 ironman. I mean, gimme a break!
Excellent. If he hadn't been wearing his watch during his routine, he might have won... it was close.
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Excellent. If he hadn't been wearing his watch during his routine, he might have won... it was close.
He didn't want to miss Wheel of Fortune.
Plus it was meatloaf night at the retirement home.
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;D
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Those are awesome pics!!
and by the way,
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/diablo86/94%20olympia/23.jpg)
Dorian's arms are amazing...ly bad! :D
now that I see those lineup pics, to me anyway, Shawn does look better than Dorian in each of them. Yes, even the back double bi. Now, most won't agree with me, hey, what can ya do ;)
You have an obvious mental condition. Saying that Shawn beats Dorian, in each and every single pose, is just not right.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Other than lat width, Lavrone blows him away.
Though I think Ronnie's back has surpassed Dorian's, no one--past or present--can match this front lat spread.
That's about Dorian's only strong pose! The mediocre, deformed arms and blocky taper are nicely hidden in that one shot.
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Ronnie looking horrible here...
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y223/dungeon1986/2002/70.jpg)
But from the back, totally smokes Kevin
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y223/dungeon1986/2002/69.jpg)
side chest, again to levrone
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y223/dungeon1986/2002/64.jpg)
front lat, ronnie even at his "worst" still kills Kevin, check out the legs
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y223/dungeon1986/2002/62.jpg)
Ronnie bogged down with water
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y223/dungeon1986/2002/60.jpg)
Should it go to Kevin? 2002 olympia?
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He looks good, what are you talking about? Similar condition with more size than the otehrs. Lavrone looks good but lacks thigh size in comparison.
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Ronnie losing out front dbl bi to cutler in 01 -
(http://x12.putfile.com/11/32212461470.jpg)
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Cutler's in better shape but Ron just naturally always has the edge in lines and size.
Lavrone's relative lack of lat & thigh width is revealed in that shot.
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Dorian smooth in 97
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y163/BBingDungeon/mr%20olympia%2097/14.jpg)
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Quintessential powerlifter look.
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Dorian displaying no right bicep in 96
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y223/dungeon1986/96%20olympia/48.jpg)
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DAMN check out Ronnie's waist in this picture :o
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y223/dungeon1986/96%20olympia/32.jpg)
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Dorian had the back, but shawn didnt have a single weakness in his entire physique. This is the man with the best abs and serratus ever seen onstage, the very personification of symmetrical perfection. There is no doubt he should have won atleast twice
yup what he said...
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The only advantage for Yates in that shot is his thighs-better cuts, more proportionate, better shape, and calves.
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Shawn should've had this one
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Dorian displaying no right bicep in 96
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y223/dungeon1986/96%20olympia/48.jpg)
Yet, his conditioning, at that contest... :o :o :o
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Other than lat width, Lavrone blows him away.
That's about Dorian's only strong pose! The mediocre, deformed arms and blocky taper are nicely hidden in that one shot.
bingo! thats why when anyone criticizes Dorians horrible taper, ND will post a lat spread! Its pathetic!
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You have an obvious mental condition. Saying that Shawn beats Dorian, in each and every single pose, is just not right.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
I know its "not right" - but hey! Thats what happens when the defending champ shows up in offseason shape sporting one arm!~ ;)
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I think part of the reason why Ronnie sucked in 2001 and 2002 was that one of his biggest strong points, his arms, sucked at those contests.
That makes a big impression on people when your knockout bodypart is no longer your ace in the hole.
I mean, look at this arm shot from 2003:
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=50084.0;id=51597;image)
huge difference.
The same thing happened to Dorian in 1994:
all of a sudden his super ripped lower back failed to light up the judges and crowd like it used to, since it was not really ripped anymore.
things like these make a difference.
It would be like showing up onstage with one arm! 8)
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If that's Ron in bad shape why does he still beat Jay in that shot?
Superior lines, shape, taper & sweep as well as better size coupled w/ smaller joints will always be there come contest time, despite any relative differences in conditioning.
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I think part of the reason why Ronnie sucked in 2001 and 2002 was that one of his biggest strong points, his arms, sucked at those contests.
That makes a big impression on people when your knockout bodypart is no longer your ace in the hole.
I mean, look at this arm shot from 2003:
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=50084.0;id=51597;image)
huge difference.
The same thing happened to Dorian in 1994:
all of a sudden his super ripped lower back failed to light up the judges and crowd like it used to, since it was not really ripped anymore.
things like these make a difference.
It would be like showing up onstage with one arm! 8)
This pic makes it clear that, that Jay, has matched Ronnie in mass. If he gets his conditioning right, he might win the O. He also need to increase his separation and muscle sweep, though.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Jay will never have the sweep, taper and lines. Even comparable size looks smaller because of thick joints. Forever blocky-structural, can't be erased.
Someone else will come along and win after Ron IMO. Gunter looks better and is much better for BB promotions.
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that pic is NOT from the 94 O. It is from the 94 English grand prix where dorian looked much better.
If I had a scanner I could prove it as I have the flex mag with the 94 grand prix coverage in it.
Dorian looked like shit in 94, stop posting pics from another contest to try and justify Dorians win.
It only makes you look retarded!
hulkster you are wrong, that is the 94 o, ive got all the olympia flex mags fro the last 15 years. no scanner.
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Jay will never have the sweep, taper and lines. Even comparable size looks smaller because of thick joints. Forever blocky-structural, can't be erased.
Someone else will come along and win after Ron IMO. Gunter looks better and is much better for BB promotions.
Unfortunately, I have to agree ith you :(. Now seriously, I don't really care for Jay, so I'm ok with it. However, saying that Gunther can win the O, with his height and skeletal frame... ::)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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I think part of the reason why Ronnie sucked in 2001 and 2002 was that one of his biggest strong points, his arms, sucked at those contests.
That makes a big impression on people when your knockout bodypart is no longer your ace in the hole.
I mean, look at this arm shot from 2003:
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=50084.0;id=51597;image)
huge difference.
The same thing happened to Dorian in 1994:
all of a sudden his super ripped lower back failed to light up the judges and crowd like it used to, since it was not really ripped anymore.
things like these make a difference.
It would be like showing up onstage with one arm! 8)
Man hulkster that is one great pic of both Jay and Ronnie for some reason it really shows both guys muscularity well.
Where is the pic from? Howard
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The difference between 2001 and 1994 is this:
2001 was still debatable. It was close, and everyone can see that.
On the other hand, I don't think anyone in their right mind (except ND who is on crack anyway) thinks that 1994 was undebatable. It was a robbery, plain and simple. Everyone has been saying that for years. There was no debate about that.
I have never really heard anyone make a sound case for Dorian winning in the kind of shape that he was in 1994, especiall with Shawn ray showing up looking like he did.. I mean look at that shot from the contest that I posted - that is, in my opinion, THE greatest arms forward most muscular ever, even better than Kevin!
Do you mean this Kevin?
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Do you mean this Kevin?
He looks horrible. One of the orst pictures I've ever seen, of Kevin.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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I guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder
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ALL of you have left out the worst travesty in BB history.!
Arnold winning the 1980 Mr. O, it was a completely rigged competition to help Arnie promote some movie he was doing. I mean I know he's untouchable to some of you but how in the hell could you have missed that one? Roy Calendar should have won that show but that's how the IFBB rolls.
second shittiest decision.....Zane Beating Robby Robinson for the 77 Mr. O
yes I'm old. ;)
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This pic makes it clear that, that Jay, has matched Ronnie in mass. If he gets his conditioning right, he might win the O. He also need to increase his separation and muscle sweep, though.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Jay will never have a ripped arms like Ronnie.. It's about genetics. You can see a ripped tricep muscle on Ronnie's arm while doing a front double bicep pose.
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Wheres ND now that some god awful pics of yates have been posted?
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94 was clearly, yates' worst year. but once ALL angles are considered, he is still the winner.
shawn weighs 205 and will not beat 260-65 lbs Yates.
it is a tough call, but shawn is so damn small compared to Yates.
another thing to consider, it has been widely documented (peter mcgough, greg merritt, jeff o'connel) that Dorian looks better in person, while shawn looks better in photos than in real life. perhaps that can explain why the reason dorian won.
also, the old saying "you have to ko the champ to win". shawn may have beaten dorian, but he didnt ko him and hence dorian wins in 94.
give the guy a break. he tore his bicep 9 weeks before stepping onstage. he could barely train. EVERYONE else would have skipped the show.
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I believe if Dexter Jackson was 6ft tall, he would be Mr.O, many ,many times.
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Man hulkster that is one great pic of both Jay and Ronnie for some reason it really shows both guys muscularity well.
Where is the pic from? Howard
that pic is from the 2003 Mr. Olympia
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Dorian was quite possibly the most overrated Mr. Olympia ever. From the rear he was the clear winner as well as from the side, but from the front he wasn't even close to some of the guys on stage - even some who were out of the top five.
exactly. Dorian was the Supreme Ruler of All Overratedness!
(http://digilander.libero.it/gruppociak/dy91.jpg)
severe lack of detail in the arms and legs. this killed Dorian from the front when you factor in his lack of good taper.
Dorian was good, but overrated.
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Game, set & match..who won again? ::)
Almost on par with Robinson never winning.
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I guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder
Kevin is one of my all-time favorite bodybuilders, but that pic doesen't do him justice. :-\
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Jay will never have a ripped arms like Ronnie.. It's about genetics. You can see a ripped tricep muscle on Ronnie's arm while doing a front double bicep pose.
Yeah, ok. My point, though, that Jay has matched Ronnie for latissimus and quad size. What he doesen't have is enough separation and detail. Oh, he also has to improve his dryness, on contest day.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Ronnie's victory over Jay's at the 2001 Olympia. >:(
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Ronnie's victory over Jay's at the 2001 Olympia. >:(
Ronnie should only have won the 98 and 99 Os. From there, he only went downhill.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Agreed, when Ronnie first won the Olympia, he blew Wheeler out of the building, it was an obvious victory. He had the flat stomach, the flowing lines, and the defined quads that did not look like the giant bloated balloons of today. He was amazing. But, after that, he began to throw on size and wieght all over his body with seemingly no regard to his lines and proportion. He looks almost nothing like what he did 7 years ago. And Cutler should have beat him in 2001, Ronnie was out of shape, holding water and bloated, Jay was on point that night, period.
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The Challenge Round!!!!!!!!! End of story.
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The Challenge Round!!!!!!!!! End of story.
I like the challenge round! I think it's fun to watch if they get the damn show run smoothly with no mess ups coming from the judges scoring! Also important to take away from the challenege round is who is judging: the past mr.olympias. And that is why Ronnie lost.
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Made no sense......... I just saw the dvd. They had this tie breaker "posedown" where Ronnie killed in every shot (f**k it give Gustavo the side tri and ab shot to be fair). It was so clear Ronnie won but they gave it to Gustavo.
So.....the guy who ends up in 3rd beats the 1st place guy(and 2nd place guy before that) in a posedown where they pretty much hit every mandatory pose. Gustavo didn't even get a comparison with Ronnie or Jay in the prejudging. Then they give him the "head to head" comparison round????????? WTF?????? Might I add that it was a very very short posedown.
This is starting to turn into the WWE. They even had Triple H doing commentary for Christs sake. I had Gustavo in 2nd place overall in the show. But Ronnie was clearly the better bodybuilder. What are they gone do next year flip a coin to break the tie?
As for it being "fun to watch"...........dude it was a waste of time. They could of used that time to let the 6 guys who didn't make the top 15 do their posing routines. It was 4 of guys first and maybe only Olympia and they didn't even let them have their moment in the spotlight. They all qualified to be on that stage like everyone else. They should be given some respect.
I could rant about this for days. I'll leave it at that.
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Most ludicrous judging decision ever in BB?
How about the winner for the past 8 years???
Ronnie health will fail soon. He'll be dead before 50
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Most ludicrous judging decision ever in BB?
How about the winner for the past 8 years???
Ronnie health will fail soon. He'll be dead before 50
True.
But.
He does drive a Bentley
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True.
But.
He does drive a Bentley
soon it would be his hearse
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Ronnie should only have won the 98 and 99 Os. From there, he only went downhill.
Even if true, that would apply to any multiple-Olympia winner. Hello?
Guess what-Ron still dominated this year, despite any differences with '98. What cave have you been inhabiting-look at the video, not pics.
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Gotta go with Yates win over Naz in 97. Naz has never gotton over being beaten by a guy with 1 tricep. His back was also Olympic quality that year. It seemed to just take all the wind out of him.
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you mean olympia quality? Nasser was awesome from the front but that was all. Yates was just as good with the exception of the muscle tears which were inflaming throughout the show, but destroyed him from the back. Nasser never had what it takes to be number 1
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Gotta go with Yates win over Naz in 97. Naz has never gotton over being beaten by a guy with 1 tricep. His back was also Olympic quality that year. It seemed to just take all the wind out of him.
Didn't Nasser win the Arnold Classic the year after that? He also got 3rd at the 98 Olympia and was in the top 6 2 or 3 more times. Seems like he had some wind left in him.
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Rusty Jeffers not getting called out and compared to Bob Chick......
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Rusty Jeffers not getting called out and compared to Bob Chick......
bump that
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Austraila 2005 ....
Racism won that year
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Tim Belknap winning the 1981 AAU Mr. America. ::)
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Rusty Jeffers not getting called out and compared to Bob Chick......
In recent times this is by far the most ludicrous of them all :-\
And Cormier not getting atleast 2-3 ASC :)
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I would have to say Bertil Fox placing fifth at the '83 Olympia would be way up there. He deserved no less than second.
Any other notables?
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The difference between 2001 and 1994 is this:
2001 was still debatable. It was close, and everyone can see that.
On the other hand, I don't think anyone in their right mind (except ND who is on crack anyway) thinks that 1994 was undebatable. It was a robbery, plain and simple. Everyone has been saying that for years. There was no debate about that.
I have never really heard anyone make a sound case for Dorian winning in the kind of shape that he was in 1994, especiall with Shawn ray showing up looking like he did.. I mean look at that shot from the contest that I posted - that is, in my opinion, THE greatest arms forward most muscular ever, even better than Kevin!
no, cutler going in to the night show winning by 6 and then losing?
yates was ahead in 94 all the way and correct me if im wrong but wasnt shawn in 3rd till the night show?
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no, cutler going in to the night show winning by 6 and then losing?
yates was ahead in 94 all the way and correct me if im wrong but wasnt shawn in 3rd till the night show?
No you're right after the prejudging Shawn Ray was BEHIND Kevin Levrone and he only passed him with a ' better ' posing routine , Dorian won both the muscularity & symmetry rounds with straight firsts
2001 Jay Cutler won both the muscularity & symmetry rounds and lost the posing rounds thats NEVER been done in a Mr Olympia contest , NO Mr Olympia winner has ever gone into the nightshow trailing by 6 points and won , this is what makes this contest the biggest joke aside 1980/1981/2002
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Arnold winning the 1980 Olympia
agreed
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In words of 96 republican pres nominee , Bob Dole (who I voted for)
" Bob Dole knows Jay won that Olympia, the senate and congress know it, the IFBB knows it and by GOD the American people know it."
HAHA he said that? BS, really?
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Ronnie should only have won the 98 and 99 Os. From there, he only went downhill.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
He should not have won in 98 (or was it 99), he had clearly visable gyno. Actually having a Mr. O with gyno is probably the most ludicrous bodybuilding decision ever.
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He should not have won in 98 (or was it 99), he had clearly visable gyno. Actually having a Mr. O with gyno is probably the most ludicrous bodybuilding decision ever.
In that case franco columbo of 1981 qualifies as the most ludicrous decisision of all time. Gyno like ronnie but unlike ronnie didnt actually have a single line of separation in his quads.
Gyno.
No quads. Actually one bigger than the other.
No calves.
Receding hairline.
Notably impoverished countenance.
Appalling decision.
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Dorian displaying no right bicep in 96
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y223/dungeon1986/96%20olympia/48.jpg)
does any one have dorians posing routine from olympia 1996 ?if any one have it please post it via rapidshare...that posing routine was the best ever...no questions asked
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does any one have dorians posing routine from olympia 1996 ?if any one have it please post it via rapidshare...that posing routine was the best ever...no questions asked
He looks dreadful in that shot.
Complete ownage in the front dbl bi by both men flanking him,
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Bev Francis coming 8th in her first big bodybuilding contest in 83 was ludicrous. Carla Dunlop won and Rachel McLish was third in that controversial show. Ben Weider literally did not know what to do with Bev but they felt her image was not good for women's bodybuilding.
Then there was Franco winning the 81 Oympia in poor condition. Arnold probably was the best in 80 but not by much. Lots of guys could have won that day. However, Sergio was robbed several times and especially in Germany in 1972. Also, Bill Pearl beating Sergio in 1971 in the NABBA Pro. One judge put Sergio down because he said Sergio's head was too small for the size of his arms! Bob Gajda beating Sergio in the 66 Mr America. Sergio went over to the IFBB after that.
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I didn't know who the hell Sasha Ogata was. I actually have the muscular development where she/he/person? is on the cover. Fooled me. Fooled a lot of people.
Maybe because of I've never seen it/he/she whatever? in person and now only in pictures but is seems I would have thought it was female for sure.
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Surely it was Vince Goodrum not getting last.
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He looks dreadful in that shot.
Complete ownage in the front dbl bi by both men flanking him,
shut up you ass..dorian yates looked awesome at the olympia 1996..his condtion was beyond the reach of levrone or nasser or any body else..he looked too much gariny and still looked big enough..
UR FUCKING BLIND...