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http://clashdaily.com/2013/10/cruz-control-ted-cruz-tells-trayvons-mother-stand-ground-laws-cant-possibly-racist
Boom
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trayvon got what he deserved because he was a punk ass fool. his mom kicked him out of her house because he was a punk ass fool. He had to go live with his dad and acted like a punk ass fool there. jumped a mexican because he thought he was gay and hitting on him, got killed because he (trayvon) committed a hate crime.
one less thug in the world.
And it is not because he is black, there is plenty of white trash around this world that needs to get bumped off and buried in a shallow grave.
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The whole Trayvon Martin mess is a completely media created spectacle. Why is anyone giving his parents the time of day.
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his parents are doing what so many other people do when they don't do their job... they blame others. if trayvon's parents did their jobs as parents they wouldn't have raised a punk ass fool. mom knows her son is dead because she kicked him out of her house. if she didn't do that trayvon wouldn't have gotten himself killed that day near his dad's house. trayvon would have gotten himself killed on a later day near his mom's house. either due to the weed he was trying to harvest or the gun he was trying to get his friends to buy with him or maybe the kid at school he got expelled for fighting would have shot him next time they saw eachother.
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I wouldn't go as far to say Trayvon deserved to die. The media did create a circus by playing off unfounded racial hysteria.
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If Zimm were a fellow thug like ashtray - the liberal gaggle of fools would never have cared about this.
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If Zimm were a fellow thug like ashtray - the liberal gaggle of fools would never have cared about this.
It would be my guess that the whole race machine start whirling to life before they ever got a good look at Zimmerman.
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yup media saw his last name and thought he was white. also, if zimmerman was a black man this case never would have made the back pages of the local newspaper.
i'm not saying trayvon deserved to die, just that he was destined to die in one fashion or another.
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If Zimm were a fellow thug like ashtray - the liberal gaggle of fools would never have cared about this.
as you well know Zimmerman was the one with a proven history of run ins with the law and not Martin
Martin was also an adult loser going nowhere in life (which is probably one reason you identify with him so much)
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as you well know Zimmerman was the one with a proven history of run ins with the law and not Martin
Martin was also an adult loser going nowhere in life (which is probably one reason you identify with him so much)
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what this got to do with Obama ?
other than your obvious and well known mental health issues triggered by his very existence
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Yes, it's too bad Martin wasn't in a position to be legally armed and with weapon that day. He may still be alive, and it would have made a much more believable scenario of defense.
With luck, they both would have lived through it, and Zimmerman could have learned a valuable lesson about acting upon neurotic impulses.
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The whole Trayvon Martin mess is a completely media created spectacle. Why is anyone giving his parents the time of day.
he's throwing some meat to the base lol. pretty obvious :)
Look for him to make spaced out statements on EVERY POSSIBLE POLARIZING ISSUE that'll appeal to people in Iowa and early donors haha.
I mean, he will be the ANTI-OBAMA on every issue, right down the line, on a nice little schedule. Why a gov of TX has any business commenting on a settled criminal case in another state lol..
dude's running for prez, and this is cool and predictable, but anyone who denies what it is, lol
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as you well know Zimmerman was the one with a proven history of run ins with the law and not Martin
Martin was also an adult loser going nowhere in life (which is probably one reason you identify with him so much)
martin had a record of disciplinary issues as well straw lets not be bias
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Yes, it's too bad Martin wasn't in a position to be legally armed and with weapon that day. He may still be alive, and it would have made a much more believable scenario of defense.
With luck, they both would have lived through it, and Zimmerman could have learned a valuable lesson about acting upon neurotic impulses.
legality wasnt much of a concern for trayvon as he was a habitual drug abuser and had access to guns as it was.
If he had not run away he would still be alive, if he hadnt stopped running away and turned around to confront zimmerman he would still be alive
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martin had a record of disciplinary issues as well straw lets not be bias
I see you're still having trouble with reading comprehension
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legality wasnt much of a concern for trayvon as he was a habitual drug abuser and had access to guns as it was.
If he had not run away he would still be alive, if he hadnt stopped running away and turned around to confront zimmerman he would still be alive
...if he'd shot Zimmerman first, he'd still be alive. Yes, I understand.
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...if he'd shot Zimmerman first, he'd still be alive. Yes, I understand.
zimmerman was doing nothing wrong in the events leading up to confrontation and has been deemed innocent meaning he didnt do anything wrong in the actions that led to trayvons death as well.
he had no reason to shoot zimmerman
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zimmerman was doing nothing wrong in the events leading up to confrontation and has been deemed innocent meaning he didnt do anything wrong in the actions that led to trayvons death as well.
he had no reason to shoot zimmerman
If he'd lived, I've no doubt he would tell you he was in fear.
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...do you think he'd say otherwise?
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If he'd lived, I've no doubt he would tell you he was in fear.
fear isnt enough my friend...imminent bodily harm or peril of death.
someone walking toward you doesnt constitute imminent bodily harm or chance of death ::)
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...do you think he'd say otherwise?
I think he would say that "cracka" deserved it
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I think he would say that "cracka" deserved it
Do you think that's what he would say?
...or do you think he'd say what he felt would most lessen his blame?
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The media generated outrage over this completely anomalous incident is the real tragedy. Its a shame this dead boy has been used as a prop to propagate untruths in order to forward a political agenda.
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Do you think that's what he would say?
...or do you think he'd say what he felt would most lessen his blame?
oh he would definitely say whatever he had to try and get off, but so would just about anyone in that situation...
Which is why the facts are what matter and how those facts align with the persons account
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The media generated outrage over this completely anomalous incident is the real tragedy. Its a shame this dead boy has been used as a prop to propagate untruths in order to forward a political agenda.
careful archer you will be labeled a racist if you keep talking like that
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fear isnt enough my friend...imminent bodily harm or peril of death.
someone walking toward you doesnt constitute imminent bodily harm or chance of death ::)
...and it's a matter of record that he was followed, which makes a most workable base.
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careful archer you will be labeled a racist if you keep talking like that
Isn't that always the goal in any situation where race is involved.
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...and a matter of record that he was followed, which makes a most workable base.
again someone following you isnt imminent bodily harm or chance of death is it?
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again someone following you isnt imminent bodily harm or chance of death is it?
You wouldn't expect Martin to say Zimmerman was simply following him, would you?
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You wouldn't expect Martin to say Zimmerman was simply following him, would you?
yes zimmerman was posing imminent bodily harm by ramming his face against trayvons fists and bashing his own head against the ground....look I dont want to hash this out again youre just amazingly ignorant in regards to this subject. A jury of zimmermans peers said he was innocent of any crime in regards to this so just get the fuck over it.
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yes zimmerman was posing imminent bodily harm by ramming his face against trayvons fists and bashing his own head against the ground....look I dont want to hash this out again youre just amazingly ignorant in regards to this subject. A jury of zimmermans peers said he was innocent of any crime in regards to this so just get the fuck over it.
Does it bother you that John Good did not see or hear any blows landing?
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Does it bother you that John Good did not see or hear any blows landing?
I know when trayvon was on top and making downward striking motions they were really just playing patty cake ::)
the jury heard the evidence and said zimmerman was not guilty, fucking deal with it already.
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I know when trayvon was on top and making downward striking motions they were really just playing patty cake ::)
the jury heard the evidence and said zimmerman was not guilty, fucking deal with it already.
Answer the question.
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Answer the question.
Like this?
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Like this?
Probably to you, Archer. lol
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Answer the question.
i thought I did....
he saw trayvon on top of zimmerman and saw him making striking motions down on to zimmerman, WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU THINK THEY WERE DOING?
you combine his testimony with the fact zimmerman had injuries consistent with being punched in the face and having his head bounced off the concrete and no I HAVE NO PROBLEM HE DIDNT SPECIFICALLY SEE FIST CONNECT WITH FACE ::)
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i thought I did....
he saw trayvon on top of zimmerman and saw him making striking motions down on to zimmerman, WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU THINK THEY WERE DOING?
you combine his testimony with the fact zimmerman had injuries consistent with being punched in the face and having his head bounced off the concrete and no I HAVE NO PROBLEM HE DIDNT SPECIFICALLY SEE FIST CONNECT WITH FACE ::)
He didn't see or hear any striking, and he says it could have easily been pinning - which goes perfectly with the presence of a gun.
So please quit making shit up as you go along.
If you don't want to discuss it, you should have STFU on this thread, instead of directly engaging another person.
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He didn't see or hear any striking, and he says it could have easily been pinning - which goes perfectly with the presence of a gun.
So please quit making shit up as you go along.
If you don't want to discuss it, you should have STFU on this thread, instead of directly engaging another person.
yes b/c you always make stiking movements when pinning someone to the ground ::)
face it bro, you are looking for evidence to point to a guilty zimmerman instead of looking at the evidence objectively and basing your decision off of that.
The jury did the later and came to the same conclusion any rational person looking at the facts would, not guilty.
and this thread wasnt about the trayvon martin case, it was about the stand your ground law and why this case has NOTHING THE FUCK TO DO WITH IT
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yes b/c you always make stiking movements when pinning someone to the ground ::)
face it bro, you are looking for evidence to point to a guilty zimmerman instead of looking at the evidence objectively and basing your decision off of that.
The jury did the later and came to the same conclusion any rational person looking at the facts would, not guilty.
and this thread wasnt about the trayvon martin case, it was about the stand your ground law and why this case has NOTHING THE FUCK TO DO WITH IT
No. I'm pointing out that the witness saw only movement, and he thinks it may have been pinning.
He did not see or hear anyone being struck. That is cold, hard fact.
A gun leads to aggressive pinning, while aggressive pinning leads to a flattened-out nose and a banged head.
And I agree: The case is over. It is done. We can only hope for the best in the future.
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No. I'm pointing out that the witness saw only movement, and he thinks it may have been pinning.
He did not see or hear anyone being struck. That is cold, hard fact.
A gun leads to aggressive pinning, while aggressive pinning leads to a flattened-out nose and a banged head.
And I agree: The case is over. It is done. We can only hope for the best in the future.
no what he thinks is that the person on top who was trayvon was striking zimmerman, he didnt say he thought he was simply pinning him...
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no what he thinks is that the person on top who was trayvon was striking zimmerman, he didnt say he thought he was simply pinning him...
I've posted his testimony countless times, and will be happy to drag it up again.
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I've posted his testimony countless times, and will be happy to drag it up again.
absolutely post his testimony where he says he thinks trayvon was just trying to pin zimmerman down
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absolutely post his testimony where he says he thinks trayvon was just trying to pin zimmerman down
That's fine. I don't want to hear any more bitching about how you're sick of the case.
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BTW, anyone who thinks there's some "liberal media" that was anxious to convict Zimmerman (instead of a shit-stirring media that wanted him to walk), needs to read this, and notice the headline on the source page versus the text of the testimony.
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ROBERT SIEGEL, HOST:
And I'm Robert Siegel. Today, in the trial of George Zimmerman, a key witness bolstered Zimmerman's claim that he acted in self-defense when he killed teenager Trayvon Martin. The witness was a neighbor in the Sanford, Florida community where Zimmerman encountered Martin and he was the only person to see them fight before Zimmerman fired the gunshot that ended Martin's life.
Here's NPR's Greg Allen.
GREG ALLEN, BYLINE: On that night in February of last year, John Good and his wife were watching TV in their townhome when Good says he heard sounds outside. In the courtroom in Sanford today, he told prosecutor Bernie de la Rionda he opened the sliding door to his patio and stepped outside. He saw two people struggling and one soon was on top of the other in a straddling position. He said he could tell it was serious.
JOHN GOOD: Because it looked like there were strikes being thrown or punches being thrown, but as I clarified, due to the lighting, it could have also been, you know, holding down.
ALLEN: This is a story John Good has told many times before. He spoke to police that night and, over the next 16 months, was interviewed by other police, state investigators, prosecutors and the defense. In an early interview, he said the person on top was, quote, "raining down blows in a style similar to MMA," Mixed Martial Arts fighting. In more recent depositions, though, Good modified that description, saying he's not sure now he saw any blows struck.
In the courtroom, he said he never saw Trayvon Martin slam George Zimmerman's head against the concrete as the defendant claims. De la Rionda picked up the questioning.
BERNIE DE LA RIONDA: The person on top - could you tell where that person on top was actually striking? And here's what I'm going to do.
(SOUNDBITE OF SLAPPING NOISE)
RIONDA: Were they going like this?
GOOD: I could not hear that. No.
RIONDA: Could you hear...
(SOUNDBITE OF POUNDING NOISE)
RIONDA: ...this?
GOOD: No.
ALLEN: Several other neighbors from the townhome community who have testified so far have raised questions about parts of Zimmerman's story. Except for John Good, though, none actually saw the fight before the shot was fired.
Under questioning by Zimmerman's lawyer Mark O'Mara today, Good confirmed some key parts of Zimmerman's version of events.
MARK O'MARA: The person who you now know to be Trayvon Martin was on top. Correct?
GOOD: Correct.
O'MARA: And he was the one who was raining blows down on the person on the bottom, George Zimmerman. Right?
GOOD: That's what it looked like.
ALLEN: O'Mara also got Good to confirm another key part of Zimmerman's story that the Neighborhood Watch volunteer was the one calling for help.
O'MARA: You now believe that that was George Zimmerman's voice. Correct?
GOOD: I never said that.
O'MARA: Do you believe...
GOOD: It could have been his, but I was not 100 percent sure.
O'MARA: I'm not asking for 100 percent certainty. I'm asking you to use your common sense and to tell us if you think that that was George Zimmerman's voice screaming for help, the person on the bottom.
GOOD: That's just my opinion.
Greg Allen, NPR News, Miami.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=196691611
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O'MARA: And he was the one who was raining blows down on the person on the bottom, George Zimmerman. Right?
GOOD: That's what it looked like.
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O'MARA: And he was the one who was raining blows down on the person on the bottom, George Zimmerman. Right?
GOOD: That's what it looked like.
GOOD: ...as I clarified, due to the lighting, it could have also been, you know, holding down.
This is what he said, Archer. It is exactly what it is.
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GOOD: ...as I clarified, due to the lighting, it could have also been, you know, holding down.
This is what he said, Archer. It is exactly what it is.
Which doesn't mean he WAS holding him down. It only means he might have been.
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GOOD: ...as I clarified, due to the lighting, it could have also been, you know, holding down.
This is what he said, Archer. It is exactly what it is.
hahaha and you get "he said he thinks he was pinning him down" from that?
no wonder youre so fucking off as to the obvious judgement on this...
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..and attempts to "hold down" are absolutely consistent with the presence of a gun.
So let's quit acting as though this is as pat as it comes.
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Which doesn't mean he WAS holding him down. It only means he might have been.
No shit, this guy got "he was holding him down" from that lol
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..and attempts to "hold down" are absolutely consistent with the presence of a gun.
So let's quit acting as though this is as pat as it comes.
Proof that its consistent with the presence of a gun? It isn't as pat as it appears which leaves plenty of room for reasonable doubt.
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Even if it were consistent with the presence of a gun that says nothing about who was the aggressor or whether the gun was drawn, when it was drawn, why it was drawn and whether trayvon was reaching for it or not. A lot of room for speculation.
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Guns will cause frantic, aggressive attempts at pinning; while frantic, aggressive attempts at pinning will cause flattened noses and banged heads.
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Guns will cause frantic, aggressive attempts at pinning; while frantic, aggressive attempts at pinning will cause flattened noses and banged heads.
Proof for this. Behavioral studies, perhaps? Crime reports.
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Proof for this. Behavioral studies, perhaps? Crime reports.
What, specifically, could you attempt to deny?
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What, specifically, could you attempt to deny?
You made the claim, you provide the proof.
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Guns will cause frantic, aggressive attempts at pinning; while frantic, aggressive attempts at pinning will cause flattened noses and banged heads.
youre reaching so fucking much its ridiculous.
again youre trying to find evidence against zimmerman not being objective
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You made the claim, you provide the proof.
Is that a no comment, Archer?
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Is that a no comment, Archer?
I was asking you to provide proof to back up your statement. Its not necessary to for me to comment on it because I didn't assert the opinion in the first place, you did.
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I was asking you to provide proof to back up your statement. Its not necessary to for me to comment on it because I didn't assert the opinion in the first place, you did.
...yet you won't attempt to deny it, because you can't do that without making yourself look foolish. Right?
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...yet you won't attempt to deny it, because you can't do that without making yourself look foolish. Right?
wow youre a fucking idiot
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lol..you guys are too much.
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...yet you won't attempt to deny it, because you can't do that without making yourself look foolish. Right?
I was asking you to provide concrete proof for my personal edification. The burden of proof is on you not me.
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wow youre a fucking idiot
How can I deny something I never claimed to be true or untrue. I neither said the struggle was consistent with a gun or not. I have nothing to deny because I never asserted an opinion on it.
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lol..you guys are too much.
All you have to do is provide proof or admit its your opinion.
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Facepalm.
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How can I deny something I never claimed to be true or untrue. I neither said the struggle was consistent with a gun or not. I have nothing to deny because I never asserted an opinion on it.
So you can't and won't deny it, Archer, but you'll decline further comment.
Got it.
;D
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:)
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This case had some velocity to it, I'll say that.
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So you can't and won't deny it, Archer, but you'll decline further comment.
Got it.
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double facepalm.
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So you can't and won't deny it, Archer, but you'll decline further comment.
Got it.
;D
There isn't anything for me to comment on. You made the comment, I didn't. You're the one who continues to decline to comment. You refuse to provide proof to back up your claim.
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double facepalm.
lol, Shockwave. :)
BTW, Archer...avxo fixed his post on the other thread, and there are some comments directed at you.
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There isn't anything for me to comment on. You made the comment, I didn't. You're the one who continues to decline to comment. You refuse to provide proof to back up your claim.
Knowing that any reasonable person would agree that it is a sensible statement, is all I need. (No offense to your sensibilities, Archer)
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Going to call it a day, bros. Catch you guys later.
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Knowing that any reasonable person would agree that it is a sensible statement, is all I need. (No offense to your sensibilities, Archer)
This isn't an answer. What you are essentially saying is that anybody who agrees with you is reasonable so by extension what you say is true. Conversely anyone who disagrees must not be reasonable. I only asked a question. If you had proof that your statement was true it would inform my opinion
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Knowing that any reasonable person would agree that it is a sensible statement, is all I need. (No offense to your sensibilities, Archer)
no most reasonable ppl wont, THATS WHY HE WAS FOUND NOT GUILTY YOU MORONIC FUCK!!!!!!
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Knowing that any reasonable person would agree that it is a sensible statement, is all I need. (No offense to your sensibilities, Archer)
The Zimmerman jury seems to disagree with you.
It seems that whatever YOU believe is what you agree to be sensible. Meaning, you have no proof, and you somehow think your opinion should be enough for people to just accept your outlandish statements, because it "makes sense to you".
It is not.
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no most reasonable ppl wont, THATS WHY HE WAS FOUND NOT GUILTY YOU MORONIC FUCK!!!!!!
Whoa! Slow your melt, down's syndrome boy:
All-caps, cursing, personal insults, and 6 exclamation points? Not necessary. (Also, please call off your jihad against apostrophes.)
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Whoa! Slow your melt, down's syndrome boy:
All-caps, cursing, personal insults, and 6 exclamation points? Not necessary. (Also, please call off your jihad against apostrophes.)
unless youre bringing something to the conversation, kindly fuck off gimmick
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The Zimmerman jury seems to disagree with you.
It seems that whatever YOU believe is what you agree to be sensible. Meaning, you have no proof, and you somehow think your opinion should be enough for people to just accept your outlandish statements, because it "makes sense to you".
It is not.
at least one of the juror thought he got away with murder and that there just wasn't enough evidence to convict him
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/31/george-zimmerman-juror-life-was-ruined_n_4183192.html
exactly how many of us believe that OJ Simpson got away with murder
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Proof for this. Behavioral studies, perhaps? Crime reports.
What the hell? Crime reports and behavioral studies. Shee-it. You have video support...or maybe you don't watch MMA?
I'm not really sure why all this discussion is taking place, really. The difference in damage (and perceived threat) between punches from an untrained guy on top of a heavier, struggling opponent aren't gonna be much difference than the top guy's aggressive cross-face attempts, elbows, and head-posting while trying to keep position (on top). All the dude on the bottom knows is that he's taking damage to the head/face.
If the gun wasn't pulled until they were on the ground (a big "if"), then it's reasonable to think it was likely pulled when Trayvon wasn't striking Zimmerman much at the time because:
- It'd be difficult to unholster a weapon while taking blows to the head. As the bottom guy, it'd be pretty hard to not cover up with both hands/arms if you're taking hard blows to the face.
- It's not easy to keep throwing even halfway-effective punches while maintaining top position when the guy under you is squirming and trying to get up, especially if the bottom guy is heavier.
These facts are moot, though, because even if Trayvon stopped throwing punches for a few seconds (long enough for Zimm to draw his weapon) to post on an arm to re-establish his position or just to posture up and take a few breaths or whatever, it's still reasonable for Zimm to think he's in a life or death situation.
I think Zimmerman deserves all the blame in the world for being in the position he found himself in when he was under Trayvon, but don't blame him for using his weapon once he was in that position. Though I hate the message that other wannabe neighborhood watch nerds might take from the outcome of this tragedy, I agree with one of the comments above where it was chalked up to being an anomalous occurrence that isn't nearly worth all the time we've invested in it.
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Guns will cause frantic, aggressive attempts at pinning; while frantic, aggressive attempts at pinning will cause flattened noses and banged heads.
100% true. Anyone who denies this has not only never wrestled, they also never watched someone like Mark "The Hammer" Coleman in some of his fights in the early days of the UFC (when headbutts were legal).
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unless youre bringing something to the conversation, kindly fuck off gimmick
Truthfully, it's a dumb turn the conversation has taken. See my comments above.
(BTW, you've just skipped another opportunity to use an apostrophe.)
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at least one of the juror thought he got away with murder and that there just wasn't enough evidence to convict him
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/31/george-zimmerman-juror-life-was-ruined_n_4183192.html
exactly how many of us believe that OJ Simpson got away with murder
OJ was acquitted, therefore he did nothing wrong, is 100% innocent and someone else obviously murdered those two.
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OJ was acquitted, therefore he did nothing wrong, is 100% innocent and someone else obviously murdered those two.
S'truth! God bless America, its legal system, and all the rascist right-tards on GetBig.
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Truthfully, it's a dumb turn the conversation has taken. See my comments above.
(BTW, you've just skipped another opportunity to use an apostrophe.)
completely agree, taken by the person your defending and you seem quite intent on adding to that stupidity
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completely agree, taken by the person your defending and you seem quite intent on adding to that stupidity
I don't care who's arguing the point, really. Who's gonna really get their panties in a bunch over guessing how likely it is to receive head/facial damage while getting pinned, anyway?
And I only wanted to comment on the thread because I've watched a lot of MMA. Lots of rules in MMA but guys can still be pretty dirty while seeming to conform to the rules when trying to maintain top control; I like to watch for guys that try to interrupt breathing by covering the bottom guy's mouth (Dan Henderson always does this), chin to the eye-socket used to be popular, and the very common 3 to 4 days' growth of beard and head hair for that sandpaper effect.
So adding to stupidity? Naw, adding to someone's MMA knowledge, hopefully. I couldn't give 2 shits for Trayvon's folks and even less for that huckster with the oh-so-punchable face, Ted Cruz.
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What the hell? Crime reports and behavioral studies. Shee-it. You have video support...or maybe you don't watch MMA?
I'm not really sure why all this discussion is taking place, really. The difference in damage (and perceived threat) between punches from an untrained guy on top of a heavier, struggling opponent aren't gonna be much difference than the top guy's aggressive cross-face attempts, elbows, and head-posting while trying to keep position (on top). All the dude on the bottom knows is that he's taking damage to the head/face.
If the gun wasn't pulled until they were on the ground (a big "if"), then it's reasonable to think it was likely pulled when Trayvon wasn't striking Zimmerman much at the time because:
- It'd be difficult to unholster a weapon while taking blows to the head. As the bottom guy, it'd be pretty hard to not cover up with both hands/arms if you're taking hard blows to the face.
- It's not easy to keep throwing even halfway-effective punches while maintaining top position when the guy under you is squirming and trying to get up, especially if the bottom guy is heavier.
These facts are moot, though, because even if Trayvon stopped throwing punches for a few seconds (long enough for Zimm to draw his weapon) to post on an arm to re-establish his position or just to posture up and take a few breaths or whatever, it's still reasonable for Zimm to think he's in a life or death situation.
I think Zimmerman deserves all the blame in the world for being in the position he found himself in when he was under Trayvon, but don't blame him for using his weapon once he was in that position. Though I hate the message that other wannabe neighborhood watch nerds might take from the outcome of this tragedy, I agree with one of the comments above where it was chalked up to being an anomalous occurrence that isn't nearly worth all the time we've invested in it.
You can't use mma as evidence. Come on, this is just sad. What a bunch of biased nonsense.
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You can't use mma as evidence. Come on, this is just sad. What a bunch of biased nonsense.
Respectfully (because at least some of your posts are good), Why not? It's 2 dudes trying to hurt and control each other.
Especially if we're talking about before the gun was pulled.
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I don't care who's arguing the point, really. Who's gonna really get their panties in a bunch over guessing how likely it is to receive head/facial damage while getting pinned, anyway?
And I only wanted to comment on the thread because I've watched a lot of MMA. Lots of rules in MMA but guys can still be pretty dirty while seeming to conform to the rules when trying to maintain top control; I like to watch for guys that try to interrupt breathing by covering the bottom guy's mouth (Dan Henderson always does this), chin to the eye-socket used to be popular, and the very common 3 to 4 days' growth of beard and head hair for that sandpaper effect.
So adding to stupidity? Naw, adding to someone's MMA knowledge, hopefully. I couldn't give 2 shits for Trayvon's folks and even less for that huckster with the oh-so-punchable face, Ted Cruz.
LMFAO sorry hoss, I am a 2 time national judo champ and I can tell you from personal experience that you dont receive those types of injuries from someone just trying to pin you down ::)
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Which doesn't mean he WAS (attempting to hold) him down. It only means he might have been.
Yes. Posted in response to Tony's statement:
yes zimmerman was posing imminent bodily harm by ramming his face against trayvons fists and bashing his own head against the ground
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Respectfully (because at least some of your posts are good), Why not? It's 2 dudes trying to hurt and control each other.
Especially if we're talking about before the gun was pulled.
There aren't guns in MMA. None of the techniques in MMA are designed for gun defense or applicable to gun defense. Neither of the two, Martin or Zimmerman, were adequately trained to mma. And finally, as ground and pound is a very well known aspect of MMA(even by casual viewers) it makes more sense that this was what Martin was attempting to mimic and was not in fact wrestling over a gun-lending support to Goods testimony that it appeared to him that Martin was raining down blows from the top like in mma style fighting.
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LMFAO sorry hoss, I am a 2 time national judo champ and I can tell you from personal experience that you dont receive those types of injuries from someone just trying to pin you down ::)
Really? What's your real name so we can verify? Because an "Appeal to authority" argument is worthless if the authority is anonymous. And I think you're making another false assumption; I'm not trying to say I don't think any (elbow, hand, head) strikes were thrown. I'm just saying that I don't think any were landing at the time the gun was pulled if the gun was pulled after Zimm was on the ground.
If by saying, "You don't receive those types of injuries from someone just trying to pin you down" you're saying it's impossible or even very unlikely to receive head/facial injuries from someone maintaining top control of you without throwing strikes, you're flat wrong. Besides, even in jacket wrestling guys can easily get the kind of superficial facial injuries that Zimmerman was sporting from accidental head contact. Are you really trying to say that you're a national judo champ but have never seen a mashed nose from accidental headbutts or face-first contact with the mat?
Judo, huh? As far as relevancy of judo to the altercation between Zim and Trayvon, can you tell me how long your average judo match lasts after the point when one guy is on his back, mounted by the other guy? Oh? Zero seconds after that point? I see. (And would it really matter? In judo, the guy on the bottom KNOWS he doesn't need to defend any potential strikes to the head -- way different then MMA or a street fight.)
I think low-level MMA is a good, commonly seen example for those seeking answers for what can commonly result from what happens when 2 people are continuing to fight after one is on his back on the ground. As far as exactly what happened between Zimm and Trayvon, though, who knows. Any fight fan knows that all manner of improbable outcomes are possible and do sometimes occur -- that's part of the reason why it's entertaining; Anything can happen.
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There aren't guns in MMA. None of the techniques in MMA are designed for gun defense or applicable to gun defense. Neither of the two, Martin or Zimmerman, were adequately trained to mma. And finally, as ground and pound is a very well known aspect of MMA(even by casual viewers) it makes more sense that this was what Martin was attempting to mimic and was not in fact wrestling over a gun-lending support to Goods testimony that it appeared to him that Martin was raining down blows from the top like in mma style fighting.
Re; MMA and gun defense, yeah I know. That's why I added "before the gun was pulled". No one proved (or maybe even alleged) that the injuries Zim incurred were received after the gun was pulled, right? And I never said nor thought they were wrestling over a gun. I doubt Trayvon got much of a chance to see any gun otherwise he'd have likely scampered off like a rabbit.
And I agree with you that it's very, very likely that Trayvon was trying at some point to G&P Zimmerman. I just think that while covering up with his hands Zimmerman was bucking and maybe even shrimping (he did take some crappy MMA classes and shrimping is usually taught from the beginning) to get out from under Trayvon so that Tray had to stop striking to stay on top and maintain his base and that's when Zimmerman had a chance to stop trying to block strikes with at least one hand so that he could draw and use his handgun. Or Trayvon could have stopped swinging due to fatigue and the inability to land a clean punch. Zim was wearing a long-sleeved jacket that night and that's a pretty good thing to wear when you're trying to block punches to the face. I doubt if Trayvon got more than a couple of even halfway-clean shots on George's face during their little scramble.
These scenarios seem likely to me. In MMA, you frequently see where a guy on top trying to administer some G&P has to stop swinging to consolidate his position because the squirmy dude under him is trying to escape often by via upa, shrimping, or turning on his side. All those actions can unbalance the guy on top to the point where he needs to post on an arm to maintain control. This makes sense, right? You don't need to be trained in MMA to be in Trayvon's position. It's old-fashioned schoolyard bully fighting to him. Get on top of the other guy and punch him in the face. Ooops, I'm falling sideways so I'll put out my arm to stop from falling off this dude before I can resume slugging him.
Only thing I think I'm really arguing about with anyone here is that it's POSSIBLE that he Zim could have sustained those injuries from rough grappling alone. (I don't think that's what happened, but it's possible.) I mean, fuck, look at the faces/noses/ears of many wrestlers; They didn't get that way from strikes.
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Zimmerman lied about the whole incident......but he'll have to answer to God for it. Trial is long over with and I don't think this shithead deserves anymore fanfare
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Really? What's your real name so we can verify? Because an "Appeal to authority" argument is worthless if the authority is anonymous. And I think you're making another false assumption; I'm not trying to say I don't think any (elbow, hand, head) strikes were thrown. I'm just saying that I don't think any were landing at the time the gun was pulled if the gun was pulled after Zimm was on the ground.
If by saying, "You don't receive those types of injuries from someone just trying to pin you down" you're saying it's impossible or even very unlikely to receive head/facial injuries from someone maintaining top control of you without throwing strikes, you're flat wrong. Besides, even in jacket wrestling guys can easily get the kind of superficial facial injuries that Zimmerman was sporting from accidental head contact. Are you really trying to say that you're a national judo champ but have never seen a mashed nose from accidental headbutts or face-first contact with the mat?
Judo, huh? As far as relevancy of judo to the altercation between Zim and Trayvon, can you tell me how long your average judo match lasts after the point when one guy is on his back, mounted by the other guy? Oh? Zero seconds after that point? I see. (And would it really matter? In judo, the guy on the bottom KNOWS he doesn't need to defend any potential strikes to the head -- way different then MMA or a street fight.)
I think low-level MMA is a good, commonly seen example for those seeking answers for what can commonly result from what happens when 2 people are continuing to fight after one is on his back on the ground. As far as exactly what happened between Zimm and Trayvon, though, who knows. Any fight fan knows that all manner of improbable outcomes are possible and do sometimes occur -- that's part of the reason why it's entertaining; Anything can happen.
its been the cause a few threads and idiots like yourself trying to call me out on it, so go ahead and do a search. I have posted pics and videos of myself on this board so for me to even have to validate the comments of a faceless gimmick such as yourself is beneath me.
In judo matches are 5 minutes a good amount of that can take place on the ground. A person who is being straddled is in judo terms being pinned and the person pinning must hold them down for 25-30 seconds depending on the score prior to the pin taking place.
If the person on the bottom has one of the opponents legs straddled then no pin is taking place and it can go on as long as the ref lets it.
yes but your argument is that no punches were being thrown....
I have seen many injuies and sustained many injuries from judo none of which have occured while someone is being pinned. Ive seen broken ankles, collar bones, arms, even necks...busted noses, gouged eyes, broken fingers and toes etc...none of which while a person is being pinned.
Do you think those injuries are more consistent with someone being pinned or someone being hit repeatedly?
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Zimmerman lied about the whole incident......but he'll have to answer to God for it. Trial is long over with and I don't think this shithead deserves anymore fanfare
agreed, same for trayvon, so lets get his mother out of the limelight as well
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its been the cause a few threads and idiots like yourself trying to call me out on it, so go ahead and do a search. I have posted pics and videos of myself on this board so for me to even have to validate the comments of a faceless gimmick such as yourself is beneath me.
In judo matches are 5 minutes a good amount of that can take place on the ground. A person who is being straddled is in judo terms being pinned and the person pinning must hold them down for 25-30 seconds depending on the score prior to the pin taking place.
If the person on the bottom has one of the opponents legs straddled then no pin is taking place and it can go on as long as the ref lets it.
yes but your argument is that no punches were being thrown....
I have seen many injuies and sustained many injuries from judo none of which have occured while someone is being pinned. Ive seen broken ankles, collar bones, arms, even necks...busted noses, gouged eyes, broken fingers and toes etc...none of which while a person is being pinned.
Do you think those injuries are more consistent with someone being pinned or someone being hit repeatedly?
You're the one saying I should take your word for something combat sport related because you are a judo champion so that's why I suggested that you might want to back up a claim that any anonymous clown can easily make. I'm not a gimmick but I do choose to remain anonymous (becaused I've discussed illegal behavior here) so I'll let my reasoning stand on its own.
You are correct that there is a little matwork in judo (not zero after a guy is on his back as a result of groundwork, as I mistakenly stated) and, given the relative infrequency of "pinning" (as efforts to put and keep another on his back after both opponents are on the groundO(vs takedowns) it's possible that you've not witnessed facial injuries from that. So I'm going to assume that the injuries (including ones to the face/head) that you have seen resulted from takedowns, amiright? What I'd like to know now is whether you seriously think that Zimmerman jumped onto his back on his own (did he pull guard?), or do you think maybe he was taken down? See where I'm going with this? If you don't, I can supply all kinds of links of wrestlers suffering injuries in the absence of striking.
Look, I know you have douchey tendencies and all but, really, all I'm trying to point out is that it's POSSIBLE for a guy to sustain the kind of injuries he had from a grappling-only altercation. Not that it's likely (or, as you put it, more consistent). Just possible, that's all. I'd also like to point out that, if the gun wasn't pulled until after Zimm was on his back underneath Trayvon, it was probably pulled when Trayvon was not punching. Probably, but not definitely so. Got it?
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You're the one saying I should take your word for something combat sport related because you are a judo champion so that's why I suggested that you might want to back up a claim that any anonymous clown can easily make. I'm not a gimmick but I do choose to remain anonymous (becaused I've discussed illegal behavior here) so I'll let my reasoning stand on its own.
You are correct that there is a little matwork in judo (not zero after a guy is on his back as a result of groundwork, as I mistakenly stated) and, given the relative infrequency of "pinning" (as efforts to put and keep another on his back after both opponents are on the groundO(vs takedowns) it's possible that you've not witnessed facial injuries from that. So I'm going to assume that the injuries (including ones to the face/head) that you have seen resulted from takedowns, amiright? What I'd like to know now is whether you seriously think that Zimmerman jumped onto his back on his own (did he pull guard?), or do you think maybe he was taken down? See where I'm going with this? If you don't, I can supply all kinds of links of wrestlers suffering injuries in the absence of striking.
Look, I know you have douchey tendencies and all but, really, all I'm trying to point out is that it's POSSIBLE for a guy to sustain the kind of injuries he had from a grappling-only altercation. Not that it's likely (or, as you put it, more consistent). Just possible, that's all. I'd also like to point out that, if the gun wasn't pulled until after Zimm was on his back underneath Trayvon, it was probably pulled when Trayvon was not punching. Probably, but not definitely so. Got it?
and again there have been multiple threads here on me and judo so go do a search gimmick. Nobody cares about your illegal activity here, you think the authorities are scouring the internet for drug users and drinkers?
Groundwork in judo is not infrequent it happens quite frequently actually, the reason it takes place less than standing fighting is b/c they start standing. Pinning is only a fraction of groundwork and just b/c someone isnt being "pinned" in judo terms, doesnt mean they arent in a similar situation physically. The majority of injuries in judo do take place standing or transitioning from standing to ground work, which is exactly why I say those injuries arent consistent with what your trying to say they are. No I dont think zimmerman flopped down on his back and trayvon just happend to jump on him. We know trayvon confronted zimmerman, its perfectly consistent that as a part of that confrontation trayvon started assualting zimmerman who fell to the ground and was mounted.
We arent here to talk about possibilities, we are talking about probability. Its possible that an alient spaceship came down and pulled trayvon off and zimmerman shot him....
what makes you think that if zimmerman pulled a gun it was when trayvon wasnt punching?
LMFAO I love all these insights on physical confrontations from ppl who have never been in a physical confrontation in their life ::)
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LOL...any parent of multiple sons will tell you that banged heads and cracked noses can easily result from ground-fighting/pinning. It is a fact of life.
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All of what is being written here about what was happening between Martin and Zimmerman is pure speculation. People fill in the gaps of what they dont know with what they want to believe.
The Zim/Martin situation says nothing about the legal system nor does it indicate a trend of pseudo-whites butchering young black kids and getting away with it. All crime statistics say other wise. This is a media conflated case being use to forward a political agenda. As long as blacks can perpetuated the mythology of victimization they can externalizers the problems in their communities and prey on white guilt to get what they want.
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LOL...any parent of multiple sons will tell you that banged heads and cracked noses can easily result from ground-fighting/pinning. It is a fact of life.
you mean like puching and striking? yup broken noses and black eyes happen from those all the time....
did you forget about the black eye?
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jack do you think zimmermans injuries are more consistent with someone just trying to pin them down or with someone punching and striking them?
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All of what is being written here about what was happening between Martin and Zimmerman is pure speculation. People fill in the gaps of what they dont know with what they want to believe.
The Zim/Martin situation says nothing about the legal system nor does it indicate a trend of pseudo-whites butchering young black kids and getting away with it. All crime statistics say other wise. This is a media conflated case being use to forward a political agenda. As long as blacks can perpetuated the mythology of victimization they can externalizers the problems in their communities and prey on white guilt to get what they want.
Fortunately for Zimmerman, with an exception of the few seconds of passing testimony above, the language used in the trial suggested that Martin did in fact beat-in and bash Zimmerman's head, and it was done solely for the pure pleasure of kicking someone's ass in an attempt to possibly commit murder.
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its been the cause a few threads and idiots like yourself trying to call me out on it, so go ahead and do a search. I have posted pics and videos of myself on this board so for me to even have to validate the comments of a faceless gimmick such as yourself is beneath me.
Hey, has anyone else seen these pics/ video? Cuz I remember a few different threads calling Retardo out on being a judo champion. Some of those threads play into why I think he is such a liar and an idiot. If it turns out he actually did post vid, then I guess I will have to consider him less of a liar and an idiot and I might have to give him a little respect. But I actually did do a search and none of the threads I could find contained pics or vids. It seems like he just randomly started claiming he posted them one day.
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Fortunately for Zimmerman, with an exception of the few seconds of passing testimony above, the language used in the trial suggested that Martin did in fact beat-in and bash Zimmerman's head, and it was done solely for the pure pleasure of kicking someone's ass in an attempt to possibly commit murder.
the reason the language in the trial suggested that is b/c THE FACTS SUGGESTED THAT!!!!
nobody said it was in an attempt to commit murder, even if trayvon thought zimmerman was following him he had no right to physically assault him.
You can simply beat the shit out of someone b/c you feel they may be following you.
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Hey, has anyone else seen these pics/ video? Cuz I remember a few different threads calling Retardo out on being a judo champion. Some of those threads play into why I think he is such a liar and an idiot. If it turns out he actually did post vid, then I guess I will have to consider him less of a liar and an idiot and I might have to give him a little respect. But I actually did do a search and none of the threads I could find contained pics or vids. It seems like he just randomly started claiming he posted them one day.
LMFAO and my stalker makes an apperance, what a great day.
I never posted a video of me doing judo but I do have video and was willing to if True Adonis was willing to leave getbig forever but alas he did not agree to the deal.
There is plenty of video of me on getbig though, one of me benching 225 like 19 times for bench competition on the powerlifting board, a few of me squating 405 etc.
and plenty of pics of me on the training board.
I have also posted a pic of one of my gi's showing the patch I wore at one of the US opens I competed in. It actually has my name on it in Japanese the name of the Japanese olympian who gave it to me. I spent a few months training in Japan one summer with a few different japanese olympian and their college teams as well as some private clubs.
what I find funny is myself and others who have posted pics and videos get called out by nameless, faceless morons such as yourself and RRK. Post a pic of yourself before you start accusing me of being a liar you POS.
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LMFAO and my stalker makes an apperance, what a great day.
I never posted a video of me doing judo but I do have video and was willing to if True Adonis was willing to leave getbig forever but alas he did not agree to the deal.
There is plenty of video of me on getbig though, one of me benching 225 like 19 times for bench competition on the powerlifting board, a few of me squating 405 etc.
and plenty of pics of me on the training board.
I have also posted a pic of one of my gi's showing the patch I wore at one of the US opens I competed in. It actually has my name on it in Japanese the name of the Japanese olympian who gave it to me. I spent a few months training in Japan one summer with a few different japanese olympian and their college teams as well as some private clubs.
what I find funny is myself and others who have posted pics and videos get called out by nameless, faceless morons such as yourself and RRK. Post a pic of yourself before you start accusing me of being a liar you POS.
Retardo, you implied that you were a national judo champion and that you had posted proof multiple times. And, of course, that turns out to not be true. I don't know if you've ever posted pics of yourself, but none of what you say you've posted is proof that you were a national judo champion. You being a dumb liar remains a fact. :-\
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jack do you think zimmermans injuries are more consistent with someone just trying to pin them down or with someone punching and striking them?
His injuries are consistent with either of these things, and the former is M-U-C-H more consistent with the presence of a gun. Even the simplest body language from Zimmerman could convey the existence of a gun, and that would remove ANY luxury Martin would have had to throw head shots or take ANY other maneuver but to attempt to preserve his life.
SO...what would it be like for two people in such a situation, each scared that the other will obtain control of the gun? They would each be trying to maintain control of their own hands, and they tried to gain control of the other person's hands. Would you disagree with anything so far?
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His injuries are consistent with either of these things, and the former is M-U-C-H more consistent with the presence of a gun. Even the simplest body language from Zimmerman could convey the existence of a gun, and that would remove ANY luxury Martin would have had to throw head shots or ANY other maneuver but to attempt to preserve his life.
SO...what would it be like for two people in such a situation, each scared that the other will obtain control of the gun? They would each be trying to maintain control of their own hands, and they tried to gain control of the other person's hands. Would you disagree with anything so far?
I disagree that your scenario is completely consistent with the prescence of a gun, you have no proof other than opinion to back that up.
that being said you still have not addressed that trayvon had no right to start a physical confrontation with a man who he felt was following him.
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Retardo, you implied that you were a national judo champion and that you had posted proof multiple times. And, of course, that turns out to not be true. I don't know if you've ever posted pics of yourself, but none of what you say you've posted is proof that you were a national judo champion. You being a dumb liar remains a fact. :-\
hahaha believe what you want moron, I didnt imply I stated as a matter of fact that I twice national champion in judo.
I am not going to post my identity on here, just like you and your idiot bretheren wont even post a picture...deal with it
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I disagree that your scenario is completely consistent with the prescence of a gun, you have no proof other than opinion to back that up.
Please explain.
that being said you still have not addressed that trayvon had no right to start a physical confrontation with a man who he felt was following him.
I don't know whether this is true or false.
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Please explain.
you have no evidence that a gun would provoke the reaction you say it does.
I don't know whether this is true or false.
YOU DONT KNOW IF ANY OF THE OTHER SHIT YOUR SPOUTING OFF IS TRUE OR FALSE!!!!
what the fuck???
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hahaha believe what you want moron, I didnt imply I stated as a matter of fact that I twice national champion in judo.
I am not going to post my identity on here, just like you and your idiot bretheren wont even post a picture...deal with it
You stated that you were a national judo champion and implied that you had posted proof. ::)
I don't care if you post a pic or post info about your identity. However, I will point out when you lie about having done so. It's just one more entry on the long list of lies you've already told. Not sure why you feel the need to create such a fanciful internet personae.
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you have no evidence that a gun would provoke the reaction you say it does.
YOU DONT KNOW IF ANY OF THE OTHER SHIT YOUR SPOUTING OFF IS TRUE OR FALSE!!!!
what the fuck???
It's a very simple question:
SO...what would it be like for two people in such a situation, each scared that the other will obtain control of the gun? They would each be trying to maintain control of their own hands, and they tried to gain control of the other person's hands. Would you disagree with anything so far?
If two people are in the presence of a gun, and each is scared the other will obtain control of a gun, would they use their bodies in such a way that is detailed above?
Don't even apply it to this case. Just answer the question or STFU.
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You stated that you were a national judo champion and implied that you had posted proof. ::)
I don't care if you post a pic or post info about your identity. However, I will point out when you lie about having done so. It's just one more entry on the long list of lies you've already told. Not sure why you feel the need to create such a fanciful internet personae.
hahaha ok albert, did you find the pic of my gi?
did you get the name of the person who gave it to me? or even my name as it is on it?
did you see the tournament that the patch showing what country I represented "USA" obviously?
not that it matters as Ive already said I have no drive to prove myself to some no name, faceless trolls on the interweb ;)
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It's a very simple question:
If two people are in the presence of a gun, and each is scared the other will obtain control of a gun, would they use their bodies in such a way that is detailed above?
Don't even apply it to this case. Just answer the question or STFU.
first you assume that if two ppl are in the presence of a gun and scared an altercation will ensue. Where do you get this from?
do you assume they were already fighting before the presence of the gun came to be known?
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hahaha ok albert, did you find the pic of my gi?
did you get the name of the person who gave it to me? or even my name as it is on it?
did you see the tournament that the patch showing what country I represented "USA" obviously?
not that it matters as Ive already said I have no drive to prove myself to some no name, faceless trolls on the interweb ;)
Well, you obviously do, it's just not working. Didn't bother searching through your post history, just knew the judo claim was bullshit. Don't know what you think that other shit is supposed to prove. ???
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Well, you obviously do, it's just not working. Didn't bother searching through your post history, just knew the judo claim was bullshit. Don't know what you think that other shit is supposed to prove. ???
hahaha ok albert, I was telling the truth about competing in judo, telling the truth about competing at a international level, telling the truth about training with japanese olympians and their colleges/private clubs but I lied about national championships ::)
whatever makes you feel good broseph.
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first you assume that if two ppl are in the presence of a gun and scared of one another, and especially so because of the gun, an altercation will very possibly ensue.
Fixed. Common sense says that the risk for an altercation would be extreme.
do you assume they were already fighting before the presence of the gun came to be known?
We can't know that, right?
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Fixed. Common sense says that the risk for an altercation would be extreme.
We can't know that, right?
LMFAO "common sense"?
thats youre evidence?
actually common sense says that if an altercation had not already ensued the presence of a gun would make an altercation less likely to take place.
How many times does the clerk being robbed start wrestling with the gun wielding robber? its much more likely the clerk does what the gunman says...
where do you get this bull shit?
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LMFAO "common sense"?
thats youre evidence?
actually common sense says that if an altercation had not already ensued the presence of a gun would make an altercation less likely to take place.
How many times does the clerk being robbed start wrestling with the gun wielding robber? its much more likely the clerk does what the gunman says...
where do you get this bull shit?
It seems a robber would likely have a clerk at some form of gunpoint, Tony. Would you disagree?
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It seems a robber would likely have a clerk at some form of gunpoint, Tony. Would you disagree?
no necissarily but yes I agree for the most part they would.
doesnt matter the presence of a gun before an altercation ensues would make it less likely that trayvon would want to wrestle with zimmerman.
what I find absolutely hillarious is you refuse to comment on something saying "I don't know whether this is true or false."
then cite common sense as your proof of the validity of your claims...
for fucks sake man, only on getbig is the stupidity this fucking thick
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Fixed. Common sense says that the risk for an altercation would be extreme.
wat
stahp
stahp with the nonsense
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no necissarily but yes I agree for the most part they would.
doesnt matter the presence of a gun before an altercation ensues would make it less likely that trayvon would want to wrestle with zimmerman.
what I find absolutely hillarious is you refuse to comment on something saying "I don't know whether this is true or false."
then cite common sense as your proof of the validity of your claims...
for fucks sake man, only on getbig is the stupidity this fucking thick
Have you noticed that you've been unable to state it as anything but truth?
You know, and I know, that it can't be stated as being true or false. So why do you do that?
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hahaha ok albert, I was telling the truth about competing in judo, telling the truth about competing at a international level, telling the truth about training with japanese olympians and their colleges/private clubs but I lied about national championships ::)
whatever makes you feel good broseph.
Lying about being a national champion as opposed to just someone who practices judo is a pretty big lie. However, I'm not even saying I believe you practice judo. I haven't seen even seen any of the proof that you claim proves you practice judo. I haven't seen the pics you are talking about and it sounds like none of them are pics of you and you could have just taken some phone pics at a competition or training facility. You are trying to paint yourself as superior because you have allegedly posted pics of yourself, but from the way you are describing the pics, it sounds like you did your best to hide your identity. (And let's be real , bro. I don't give A SHIT about ya. I'm not waiting for the day you post pics of yourself. I just know you are full of it. If you had actually backed up one of your dream sequences, I might have had to admit some respect for you.)
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Lying about being a national champion as opposed to just someone who practices judo is a pretty big lie. However, I'm not even saying I believe you practice judo. I haven't seen even seen any of the proof that you claim proves you practice judo. I haven't seen the pics you are talking about and it sounds like none of them are pics of you and you could have just taken some phone pics at a competition or training facility. You are trying to paint yourself as superior because you have allegedly posted pics of yourself, but from the way you are describing the pics, it sounds like you did your best to hide your identity. (And let's be real , bro. I don't give A SHIT about ya. I'm not waiting for the day you post pics of yourself. I just know you are full of it. If you had actually backed up one of your dream sequences, I might have had to admit some respect for you.)
hahahah just someone who practices judo?
someone who just practices judo doesnt compete nationally(probably dont compete at all) they certainly dont compete internationally. They also dont travel to japan to train with olympians and their college teams.
Again coming from a nameless, faceless poster such as yourself I could care less what you or for that matter anyone here thinks of me.
LOL there are plenty of vids showing my face, go search fido....
I am better than you b/c I have posted my picture, Im not some faceless fat ass blob behind a keyboard ;)
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Have you noticed that you've been unable to state it as anything but truth?
You know, and I know, that it can't be stated as being true or false. So why do you do that?
ok lets say its common sense backed up by the majority of cases in which situations like that happen then...
LMFAO
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ok lets say its common sense backed up by the majority of cases in which situations like that happen then...
LMFAO
You'd love to claim that, if only you could.
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You'd love to claim that, if only you could.
lol well it cant get any worse than your claim hahahahha
the amount of stupidity you display leaves me in awe.
You cant answer a question b/c you dont know if the premise is true or not.
Then to back up your claim you use "common sense" LMFAO
only on getbig baby
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lol well it cant get any worse than your claim hahahahha
What claim is that, Tony?
the amount of stupidity you display leaves me in awe.
You cant answer a question b/c you dont know if the premise is true or not.
Then to back up your claim you use "common sense" LMFAO
only on getbig baby
Not sure what you mean.
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hahahah just someone who practices judo?
someone who just practices judo doesnt compete nationally(probably dont compete at all) they certainly dont compete internationally. They also dont travel to japan to train with olympians and their college teams.
You claim these things happen. Who knows? You're history of lying is strong, so I wouldn't take your word for it. The things you claim are "proof" aren't really proof. Just saying it doesn't make it so. My first post in this thread, I actually thought there might be a possibility you weren't just bullshitting this time.
Again coming from a nameless, faceless poster such as yourself I could care less what you or for that matter anyone here thinks of me.
LOL there are plenty of vids showing my face, go search fido....
I've never seen a picture of you. Just a few posts ago, you were saying you posted proof of your judo championships. Then you claimed you meant that you were talking about some benchpressing videos. The bar keeps getting lower. Next thing you know, it'll be a pic of you watching a judo competition on youtube.
I am better than you
No, you're not...
b/c I have posted my picture, Im not some faceless fat ass blob behind a keyboard ;)
The only pics I've seen that you posted had your face blacked out, and I don't remember you looking like you were in great shape. That was a few years ago, maybe things have changed. ???
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I've never seen a picture of you.
The only pics I've seen that you posted had your face blacked out, and I don't remember you looking like you were in great shape. That was a few years ago, maybe things have changed. ???
LOL the amount of melt you are doing is quite amusing. I never claimed to be in great shape, Id be willing to bet I am in much better shape than you however.
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LOL the amount of melt you are doing is quite amusing. I never claimed to be in great shape, Id be willing to bet I am in much better shape than you however.
Melt? ::) In those progress pics, you didn't look to be in much better shape than anyone. And I don't even mean that as a criticism, so much as you just had an average body that most men who aren't obese and maybe hit the gym twice a week have, if they have the time or inclination. I can't find the pic, but I can't imagine feeling competitive towards you the way I remember it looking.
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Melt? ::) In those progress pics, you didn't look to be in much better shape than anyone. And I don't even mean that as a criticism, so much as you just had an average body that most men who aren't fat and maybe hit the gym twice a week have. I can't find the pic, but I can't imagine feeling competitive towards you the way I remember it looking.
hahah of course, all getbiggers are muscle men especially those faceless giants posting behind their keyboards.
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=295241.0
by all means big hoss, show us all how you outmass me
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hahah of course, all getbiggers are muscle men especially those faceless giants posting behind their keyboards.
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=295241.0
by all means big hoss, show us all how you outmass me
You actually do look to be in better shape than I remember in that pic.
Incidentally, Retardo, I guess this is one of your face-behind-the-screenname pics? Or proof that you're a a 2 time national judo champ? ::)
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You actually do look to be in better shape than I remember in that pic.
Incidentally, Retardo, I guess this is one of your face-behind-the-screenname pics? Or proof that you're a a 2 time national judo champ? ::)
lol nope just a picture as you said I was in no better shape than some average guy who hit the gym twice a week.
Ive posted videos in which you can see my face and have posted more than enough to prove I am not lying about the judo claim but whatever.
You continue to try and call others out as liars and not in shape as a faceless/bodyless fat ass behind the keyboard.
Whatever floats your boat and sets your sail there fat albert
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hahah of course, all getbiggers are muscle men especially those faceless giants posting behind their keyboards.
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=295241.0
by all means big hoss, show us all how you outmass me
lol pwned.
Damn Tony, you've got a seriously obsessed stalker, lol.
This is almost as bad as StrawMan dangling from Beach Bums nutsack.
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lol pwned.
Damn Tony, you've got a seriously obsessed stalker, lol.
This is almost as bad as StrawMan dangling from Beach Bums nutsack.
LOL I know, he comes out of the woodwork every few weeks just to let me know he is still there
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Hey, has anyone else seen these pics/ video? Cuz I remember a few different threads calling Retardo out on being a judo champion. Some of those threads play into why I think he is such a liar and an idiot. If it turns out he actually did post vid, then I guess I will have to consider him less of a liar and an idiot and I might have to give him a little respect. But I actually did do a search and none of the threads I could find contained pics or vids. It seems like he just randomly started claiming he posted them one day.
And.....Boom! lol
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And.....Boom! lol
LOL yay yet another faceless gimmick.
I remember in another thread you said you had two children, POST PROOF OR FOREVER BE OWNED ::)
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lol pwned.
Damn Tony, you've got a seriously obsessed stalker, lol.
This is almost as bad as StrawMan dangling from Beach Bums nutsack.
LOL how is this an "owning"? He tried to deflect my initial question by claiming he was "better" than me because he posted face pics, then to prove he posted face pics, he posts a link to a pic with his face BLACKED OUT that I said I had already seen. Which had nothing to do with the fact that he is lying about being a judo champion. And likely lying about even having studied judo. I don't think you know what owning means. ;D Or maybe, where you're from, it just means the complete opposite of what it means everywhere else?
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hahaha believe what you want moron, I didnt imply I stated as a matter of fact that I twice national champion in judo.
I am not going to post my identity on here, just like you and your idiot bretheren wont even post a picture...deal with it
I'm not clear on why you won't post your real name here.
If I were a national champion of anything and, like you said, (I'll paraphrase out of laziness here) there's no need to be worried about the authorities seeking one out for their admissions of steroid use, then I'd be proud to put out my real ID.
So what's the deal? This isn't 4chan and no one will be sending pizzas to your house, ya know.
I think what's likely is that you like to embellish your posts freely and aren't man enough to admit when you're wrong. You'd rather lie or try to re-frame arguments (e.g., "We're not here to talk about possibilities, we're here to talk about blah blah blah I'm a blowhard...") than just admit someone who's argued with you has a point.
So go ahead and prove me wrong. 'Fess up, and give your ID or just admit you sometimes stretch the truth a bit in the heat of an argument. BTW, I'm also doubting your claim that you write with proper spelling and grammar in the course of performing your job. And what was your job again? Something like being a financial advisor to hedge fund managers or some such shit, wasn't it, Mr. Judo Champ? I would not be surprised to learn that you're actually some kind of low-level salesman who, because he occasionally makes sales to business suit wearing guys who actually work in the finance industry, could technically be said to be advising them about what to do with their money-- even if it's just to buy some of the knock-off cologne from the duffel bag you carry.
Ah, well. Takes all kinds to make up the internet, I guess.
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LOL yay yet another faceless gimmick.
I remember in another thread you said you had two children, POST PROOF OR FOREVER BE OWNED ::)
I don't have 2 kids so you remember incorrectly. Show me the post and prove me wrong, if you can.
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I'm not clear on why you won't post your real name here.
If I were a national champion of anything and, like you said, (I'll paraphrase out of laziness here) there's no need to be worried about the authorities seeking one out for their admissions of steroid use, then I'd be proud to put out my real ID.
So what's the deal? This isn't 4chan and no one will be sending pizzas to your house, ya know.
I think what's likely is that you like to embellish your posts freely and aren't man enough to admit when you're wrong. You'd rather lie or try to re-frame arguments (e.g., "We're not here to talk about possibilities, we're here to talk about blah blah blah I'm a blowhard...") than just admit someone who's argued with you has a point.
So go ahead and prove me wrong. 'Fess up, and give your ID or just admit you sometimes stretch the truth a bit in the heat of an argument. BTW, I'm also doubting your claim that you write with proper spelling and grammar in the course of performing your job. And what was your job again? Something like being a financial advisor to hedge fund managers or some such shit, wasn't it, Mr. Judo Champ? I would not be surprised to learn that you're actually some kind of low-level salesman who, because he occasionally makes sales to business suit wearing guys who actually work in the finance industry, could technically be said to be advising them about what to do with their money-- even if it's just to buy some of the knock-off cologne from the duffel bag you carry.
Ah, well. Takes all kinds to make up the internet, I guess.
Hahah the irony that this is coming from a faceless nobody on the interweb must be lost on you.
I may have you confused with one of the many gimmicks that have shown up here lately. LMFAO never used roids or any other performance enhancer unless you consider pot a PED. They were pretty serious about drug testing "elite athletes" they could actually show up whenever they wanted and make us take piss tests. That and as you can see by my pic I've always been a naturally muscular person ;)
Ps I'm an analyst for a group of FA's, don't know where you got the shit you did from but ill chalk it up to you being a faceless gimmick
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lol pwned.
Damn Tony, you've got a seriously obsessed stalker, lol.
This is almost as bad as StrawMan dangling from Beach Bums nutsack.
As for me stalking him, I have fucking said this to him over and over-I've even said it in this thread, it is because he is so fucking stupid and a liar. It isn't just that he's wrong on almost everything- he is so ignorantly and agressively wrong that it is infuriating. He talks about subjects that he doesn't understand and then tries to pretend he is an expert on those subjects.
This is a true story: He posted a thread in which he claimed that homosexuality was abnormal because it was more than two standard deviations away from the mean on a bell curve. Several people- including myself- pointed out that he clearly didn't understand what a bell curve was or what stardard deviations meant. He insisted that he knew what a bell curve was and he understood how they worked. To show that human sexuality could be typed to a bell curve he posts... wait for it... a video of a womam who created that bell curve SPECIFICALLY to point out that there is no such thing as NORMAL human sexuality. The only way that bell curve worked is if you completely disagreed with the premise of his thread.
He does shit like that all the time. He tries to make these huge points that don't make sense, and in trying to defend them, he proves they're false. He just did it in this thread. He trashed me for not showing a face pic, then to prove that he posted pics before he links to a pic with his face blacked out. It's not just the bumbling arguing. He always has to paint himself as a higher authority on a subject. "I good at logic cuz ize in college.""I sucsefil at bizness, so I know how money work","Ize a judo master". Then he just goes on to prove he is virtually retarded.
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I would not be surprised to learn that you're actually some kind of low-level salesman who, because he occasionally makes sales to business suit wearing guys who actually work in the finance industry, could technically be said to be advising them about what to do with their money-- even if it's just to buy some of the knock-off cologne from the duffel bag you carry.
Ah, well. Takes all kinds to make up the internet, I guess.
This is about where I've figured he lands, too. He takes light knowledge on a subject and trumps it up to "expert level" on the internet.
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Hahah the irony that this is coming from a faceless nobody on the interweb must be lost on you.
I may have you confused with one of the many gimmicks that have shown up here lately. LMFAO never used roids or any other performance enhancer unless you consider pot a PED. They were pretty serious about drug testing "elite athletes" they could actually show up whenever they wanted and make us take piss tests. That and as you can see by my pic I've always been a naturally muscular person ;)
Ps I'm an analyst for a group of FA's, don't know where you got the shit you did from but ill chalk it up to you being a faceless gimmick
You confused? I'm not surprised. And Irony? Are you sure you know what that word means? Why should I reveal my ID? You are the one making claims about your accomplishments here in your "appeal to authority" arguments, not me. As a result, some of us are saying, "Prove it", (because you come off as a bit of a liar.) Honestly, I don't care to know your name, -- I'd be satisfied if a mod would vouch for you. Since this would bolster your credibility here, why is this too much trouble for you?
Ok, do what ya want. I don't understand, though, why, if you've never used PED's,you are all mysterious about your Judo background. For instance, who is this "they" that might have tested you? I take it that you're claiming you were on your college judo team that took a trip to Japan at some time to train, do I have that right? But you also say you were a 2-time national champion? Does that just mean the intercollegiate champion or does this mean you went to Nationals and won your weight division twice? So you were the best Judo player in the nation in your weight class for 2 years? You mentioned going to Japan "with" the Olympic team, right? So were you an alternate or ...? You can play like you're amused to not answer any of these simple questions and maybe it's true that it does amuse you. What it also does, though, is to undermine your credibility here on this board. Som nom naa.
BTW, congrats on finally using an apostrophe. I take back my suggestion that spelling and grammar was beyond you.
No comment about your pic -- you are fairly thick for a non-iron sport guy but you aren't going to be impressing any bodybuiders any time soon. TBH, your build does look suited to Judo with your thick waist and fairly strong-looking hips.
But honestly, I'm much thicker than you (by about 50 pounds though I'm a little shorter) but it's not fair to compare since I do partake of the juice.
If you want to talk up your judo cred, I'm all ears.
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As for me stalking him, I have fucking said this to him over and over-I've even said it in this thread, it is because he is so fucking stupid and a liar. It isn't just that he's wrong on almost everything- he is so ignorantly and agressively wrong that it is infuriating. He talks about subjects that he doesn't understand and then tries to pretend he is an expert on those subjects.
This is a true story: He posted a thread in which he claimed that homosexuality was abnormal because it was more than two standard deviations away from the mean on a bell curve. Several people- including myself- pointed out that he clearly didn't understand what a bell curve was or what stardard deviations meant. He insisted that he knew what a bell curve was and he understood how they worked. To show that human sexuality could be typed to a bell curve he posts... wait for it... a video of a womam who created that bell curve SPECIFICALLY to point out that there is no such thing as NORMAL human sexuality. The only way that bell curve worked is if you completely disagreed with the premise of his thread.
He does shit like that all the time. He tries to make these huge points that don't make sense, and in trying to defend them, he proves they're false. He just did it in this thread. He trashed me for not showing a face pic, then to prove that he posted pics before he links to a pic with his face blacked out. It's not just the bumbling arguing. He always has to paint himself as a higher authority on a subject. "I good at logic cuz ize in college.""I sucsefil at bizness, so I know how money work","Ize a judo master". Then he just goes on to prove he is virtually retarded.
Uh...no Al.
The reality is, there is no proving it. I've got a black belt. It's nothing more than a paper certificate. You could probably easily make one. Hell, for all I know my Sifu pulled it off the internet and stuck a fancy sticker on it as well. Not like it's some ancient Chinese scroll.
You can get fake degrees on the internet, etc.
Tony has posted himself even without being called out when there's been no reason or cause to lie. There's no way he can conclusively prove what you want. He could give a name and you would simply claim it's not him...just like the photo.
Repeatedly demanding he prove something that cannot be proven over a message board is well...let's just say you shouldn't be calling others 'stupid'.
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Uh...no Al.
The reality is, there is no proving it. I've got a black belt. It's nothing more than a paper certificate. You could probably easily make one. Hell, for all I know my Sifu pulled it off the internet and stuck a fancy sticker on it as well. Not like it's some ancient Chinese scroll.
You can get fake degrees on the internet, etc.
Where did I ask him to prove he's a blackbelt? Retardo claims to have been a 2-time national judo champion who has posted proof of it on this board.
It isn't difficult to prove you were a national champ.
It isn't difficult to prove that you've posted proof about on this board and that other members are aware of it.
It's not even something I brought up.
It's something he brought up in a bid to establish an air of authority in a debate. If he had simply said "I studied judo, this is what blah blah blah", I wouldn't have questioned it. He had to go full-on Retardo and include his national championship...excuse me, 2-time national championship that everyone is aware of and makes him better than other "faceless trolls" ::)
Tony has posted himself even without being called out when there's been no reason or cause to lie. There's no way he can conclusively prove what you want. He could give a name and you would simply claim it's not him...just like the photo.
Repeatedly demanding he prove something that cannot be proven over a message board is well...let's just say you shouldn't be calling others 'stupid'.
Where did I say the photo was not him? What I did say is that it is ridiculous to claim an air of superiority because you've unmasked yourself on the internet, and to prove it you show a pic in which your face is blacked out. Maybe you've just skipped over the majority of the exchanges (which is understandable), but you don't seem to comprehend what this is about.
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lol pwned.
Damn Tony, you've got a seriously obsessed stalker, lol.
This is almost as bad as StrawMan dangling from Beach Bums nutsack.
you must have a new definition of stalking that I'm not aware of
all I have ever done is call Bum (or you or 333 et al.) on some bullshit that he posted
it always cracks me up when someone claims "stalking" when all any of us are doing are making posts and responding to posts
Now, if you want to refer to certain people who start threads specifically begging certain people to reply then you might be able to label that a form of stalking
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Where did I ask him to prove he's a blackbelt? Retardo claims to have been a 2-time national judo champion who has posted proof of it on this board.
It isn't difficult to prove you were a national champ.
It isn't difficult to prove that you've posted proof about on this board and that other members are aware of it.
It's not even something I brought up.
It's something he brought up in a bid to establish an air of authority in a debate. If he had simply said "I studied judo, this is what blah blah blah", I wouldn't have questioned it. He had to go full-on Retardo and include his national championship...excuse me, 2-time national championship that everyone is aware of and makes him better than other "faceless trolls" ::)
You're just splitting hairs. There's no way to prove it.
Here my real name is Enes Djesevic, and I'm a 2 time USJA Winter National Champion. Just google my name. ::)
Obviously that's not me, but you get the point.
Anyone can point to an article or newsclip or whatever and claim it's them. It's not going to proof the veracity of his claim.
Where did I say the photo was not him? What I did say is that it is ridiculous to claim an air of superiority because you've unmasked yourself on the internet, and to prove it you show a pic in which your face is blacked out. Maybe you've just skipped over the majority of the exchanges (which is understandable), but you don't seem to comprehend what this is about.
Meh...you're just backtracking. This is basically you calling him a liar on both counts:
You actually do look to be in better shape than I remember in that pic.
Incidentally, Retardo, I guess this is one of your face-behind-the-screenname pics? Or proof that you're a a 2 time national judo champ? ::)
I read the same as you I think (though I haven't read everything), but I didn't read it as an air of superiority. He was just indicating why he had formed the opinion that he did. Maybe you're just feeling inferior?
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you must have a new definition of stalking that I'm not aware of
all I have ever done is call Bum (or you or 333 et al.) on some bullshit that he posted
it always cracks me up when someone claims "stalking" when all any of us are doing are making posts and responding to posts
Now, if you want to refer to certain people who start threads specifically begging certain people to reply then you might be able to label that a form of stalking
Are you being serious?
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You're just splitting hairs. There's no way to prove it.
Here my real name is Enes Djesevic, and I'm a 2 time USJA Winter National Champion. Just google my name. ::)
Obviously that's not me, but you get the point.
Anyone can point to an article or newsclip or whatever and claim it's them. It's not going to proof the veracity of his claim.
No, there is a big difference between practicing judo and being a 2-time national judo champ. He posted a bathroom pic of himself. If the face wasn't blacked out and he revealed his name, there would be no doubt who he was. I don't even care who he is, but if he claims that somehow his being a national champ is something that is well-known, that that's not just splitting hairs.
Meh...you're just backtracking. This is basically you calling him a liar on both counts:
No, it's me literally saying I remember him looking worse originally, but he is, in fact, in better shape. Not amazing and, definitetely not so amazing that I think he'd have to lie. Just that my memory of a pic that I saw several years earlier was different
I read the same as you I think (though I haven't read everything), but I didn't read it as an air of superiority. He was just indicating why he had formed the opinion that he did. Maybe you're just feeling inferior?
::) This is a quote from him:
I am better than you b/c I have posted my picture, Im not some faceless fat ass blob behind a keyboard
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You're just splitting hairs. There's no way to prove it.
Here my real name is Enes Djesevic, and I'm a 2 time USJA Winter National Champion. Just google my name. ::)
Obviously that's not me, but you get the point.
Anyone can point to an article or newsclip or whatever and claim it's them. It's not going to proof the veracity of his claim.
Meh...you're just backtracking. This is basically you calling him a liar on both counts:
I read the same as you I think (though I haven't read everything), but I didn't read it as an air of superiority. He was just indicating why he had formed the opinion that he did. Maybe you're just feeling inferior?
Whats the problem here?
If Tony posts a pic and the the year he was champion it should be easy to figure out?
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You're just splitting hairs. There's no way to prove it.
Are you 100% sure about this, Skip?
Is judo in the USA really so big that it'd be very unlikely to be able ferret it out if someone was lying by impersonating a national champ? I ask this because if you tried this in the sport of Brazilian Ju-Jitsu, you'd almost surely be caught in a couple of days. All you'd need to do is go to a BJJ board and ask around. You'd quickly find guys who've trained with the named person in question and it'd just be a matter of time after that. This actually happens every so often over on mixedmartialarts.com with guys who are just lying about having a black belt (which is a far cry from lying about being a national champ). Like BJJ, judo seems like the kind of small, insular sport where everyone knows everyone so if Tony gave few more details, I bet we could find out what's true and what's not pretty quickly.
Anyway, this is why it seems shady that Tony gives so few details about his involvement with Judo. It's no big deal, though, really.
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LMFAO you tards are to much, youre still arguing over this?
faceless posters who we know nothing about accusing me of lying, the irony of this situation is off the charts.
I am a third degree black belt Kore if that helps, go nuts. Alot of people I trained with still compete, a number of them have gone much further than I have.
::) This is a quote from him:
I am better than you b/c I have posted my picture, Im not some faceless fat ass blob behind a keyboard
you forgot the part where I put the ;) as I was being facetious you moronic fuck ::)
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youre still arguing over this?
The argument was settled yesterday: You're a liar. Everyone agrees.
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The argument was settled yesterday: You're a liar. Everyone agrees.
hahah ok fat boy
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hahah ok fat boy
I'm not fat. I'm actually in better shape than you.
I'm also not a habitual liar. You are, though.
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I'm not fat. I'm actually in better shape than you.
I'm also not a habitual liar. You are, though.
post proof or you a liar ::)
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post proof or you a liar ::)
I don't have to post anymore proof. The past few pages of this thread are enough proof that you are a liar.
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I don't have to post anymore proof. The past few pages of this thread are enough proof that you are a liar.
ok fatty
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ok fatty
One thing's for sure...if you're calling me fat, I MUST be in shape 'cuz you are incapable of being honest. ;)
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Ashtray was dead by 20 regardless
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Ashtray was dead by 20 regardless
horse shit claim
show your math
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horse shit claim
show your math
I already have - ASHtray was a worthless thug who was fighting, mixed up w drugs, robbing houses, gold teeth, a leech, and skell.
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I already have - ASHtray was a worthless thug who was fighting, mixed up w drugs, robbing houses, gold teeth, a leech, and skell.
I didn't know this - link to proof?
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I didn't know this - link to proof?
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2013/07/trayvon-martins-involvement-in-local-burglaries-covered-up-by-media-school-police-prosecutors.html
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http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2013/07/trayvon-martins-involvement-in-local-burglaries-covered-up-by-media-school-police-prosecutors.html
No arrest, just questioning. cool. Why did FOX and Rush limbaugh cover this up? or did they report on it?