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http://www.wesh.com/news/central-florida/volusia-county/woman-ticketed-after-crash-kills-pedestrian/-/12983450/22448386/-/11qbgpuz/-/index.html
By Frank Fernandez
frank.fernandez@news-jrnl.com
Published: Monday, September 30, 2013 at 6:40 p.m.
A motorist who was reportedly trying to retrieve her cellphone when she struck and killed a woman crossing Ridgewood Avenue in Port Orange should face more punishment than a traffic citation, according to the victim's relatives.
Nicole K. Nagrani, 21, was heading south on South Ridgewood Avenue in her sport utility vehicle on April 11, 2013, when she hit Leona E. Daniluk as the 78-year-old Port Orange resident tried to walk across the highway at White Place. But a traffic homicide investigation concluded that Nagrani's actions were not reckless, a standard needed for a vehicular homicide charge.
Nagrani's attorney, Tim Herring, drove to the accident site and told police that “... Nagrani was not using her cellular phone at the time of the crash, but that the phone had fallen and she was attempting to retrieve it.”
Daniluk's daughter, Tina Melnicoff, said a ticket was insufficient and that Nagrani should serve some prison time. “I don't see no fairness of it, if she does get a ticket,” Melnicoff said. “She should get more than a ticket. The girl, if she was paying attention that morning driving instead of trying to retrieve her cellphone, she would have had time to stop or swerve or even hit the median."
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Very sad indeed. :-\
The sentence seems light considering, but without knowing all the details I can't give a fair opinion.
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That's fucked up. Where I live using your mobile while driving is an offence. If you killed someone while texting/talking on a mobile you would definitely get locked up. I would not blame the family for seeking their own form of justice.
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People and their fucking mobile phones. These things have total control over the lives of so many people these days.
If she was so desperate to retrieve it I have to assume it's because she was afraid of missing a call or a text. What would have been the harm in leaving it where it was if she had no intention of using it while she was driving? Now an old lady is dead - all because the mighty mobile phone needed attention.
I honestly don't get what is so important you have to walk around with these things glued to yourself all day. The number of people I see driving and talking or driving and just fiddling with their phones is incredible.
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Thyat's fucked up. Where I live using your mobile while driving is an offence. If you killed someone while texting/talking on a mobile you would definitely get locked up. I would not blame the family for seeking their own form of justice.
2 weeks ago it became an offence here in sweden to
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Her daddy who is a doctor insurance company paid a large settlement worth over $200,000 to settle the matter.
Being rich does have its priveledges
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Who crosses a highway?
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Who crosses a highway?
X2
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It wasn't necessarily a "highway". Ridgewood Avenue wasn't a 'highway' in the sense of 55 MPH speed limit, no stop lights, and exits, more like a wide street with a higher speed limit than a residential area.
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Daniluk = Dina Luk
Dina Luk = Deny Luck
;D
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Nicole Nagrani
(http://www.arabianmuscles.com/userfiles/image/Pages_Pics/news/MR_OLYMPIA_2010/WOMEN/nicole%20bikini.jpg)
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/contest_media/25632/208151/d/_mg_40731362778137.jpg)
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Dumb bimbos and their mobile phones.
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That's fucked up. Where I live using your mobile while driving is an offence. If you killed someone while texting/talking on a mobile you would definitely get locked up. I would not blame the family for seeking their own form of justice.
That is the law everywhere, what`s your point? she did not break the law cause she was not using her cell phone, she was just picking it up off the floor so even where your from the out come would be the same.
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Doesn't look like she even cares that she killed a human being....
Posting on instagram of her fun happenings!
http://instagram.com/nnagrani# (http://instagram.com/nnagrani#)
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Her ass is in need of severe punishment - lifetime sentence in a getbiggers supermax bedroom.
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Doesn't look like she even cares that she killed a human being....
Posting on instagram of her fun happenings!
http://instagram.com/nnagrani# (http://instagram.com/nnagrani#)
So what?
Is she supposed to stop living life now? ::)
You have no idea how she fucking felt. This was not an intentional manslaughter.
She probably did deserve a harsher sentence but blame one can only blame our pathetic justice system.
Even if she served 25 years, she shouldn't quit living her life.
She's young, beautiful and full of life. She made a tragic mistake.
I agree....justice does not seem to have been served in this case.
But she can't dwell on her mistake. She needs to go on and it looks like she has.
I for one think the punishment was not harsh enough (from the little I know of the case) but this is what our justice system has become. I don't blame the family for seeking out attention.....Nicole deserves harsher.
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So what?
Is she supposed to stop living life now? ::)
You have no idea how she fucking felt. This was not an intentional manslaughter.
She probably did deserve a harsher sentence but blame one can only blame our pathetic justice system.
Even if she served 25 years, she shouldn't quit living her life.
She's young, beautiful and full of life. She made a tragic mistake.
I agree....justice does not seem to have been served in this case.
But she can't dwell on her mistake. She needs to go on and it looks like she has.
I for one think the punishment was not harsh enough (from the little I know of the case) but this is what our justice system has become. I don't blame the family for seeking out attention.....Nicole deserves harsher.
Glad you pointed that out!
She should have been punished to the fullest extent of the law!
The law failed!
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Glad you pointed that out!
She should have been punished to the fullest extent of the law!
The law failed!
Why do you have such a hard on for her?
I mean
Why! Do you have! Such a hard on! For her!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Why do you have such a hard on for her?
I mean
Why! Do you have! Such a hard on! For her!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LOL :)
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That is the law everywhere, what`s your point? she did not break the law cause she was not using her cell phone, she was just picking it up off the floor so even where your from the out come would be the same.
Yeah, how did the phone get on the floor? She was using it and she dropped it. And since it's illegal to use a phone while driving, why did she need to pick it up? You can play naive all you like, we all know she was using her phone, she admitted it, but due to some bulshit law, her statement wasn't used in court. The woman is a typical spoiled, self centered narcissist who probably masturbates to images of herself. It comes as no surprise that such a conceited individual would run down some poor old lady simply because she is so self absorbed other human beings rarely come up on her radar unless they can offer her something she wants.
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Is there not a general "distracted driving law" in the US?
We have a distracted driving law here in Alberta. Whether you are on your phone, eating a burger, taking a sip of water, putting on lipstick, etc.....it all falls under the same law. If you are distracted while driving and something occurs you ARE to blame.
It's a good law.
Texting on a phone or bending down to pick it up.....your eyes are diverted from the road either way.
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Nicole Nagrani
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/contest_media/25632/208151/d/_mg_40731362778137.jpg)
Those oversized fake tits look ridiculous. Who the fuck do these freaks think they are kidding. I see women who do that to their body as a form of self mutilation which is the physical manifestation of a fucked up psyche.
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Goofy bitch was more concerned about getting a scratch on her phone than watching the road. I hope she leads a long and disappointing life after her looks fade.
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old lady is jay-walking and gets hit and killed, now the family wants somebody else to "pay" for the old lady's stupidity.
typical in a county with too many lawyers and not enough engineers.
instead of making their own money, they'd rather take the money from others.
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Probably was taking a "selfie" with her tits out.
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The linked article was edited and has more info in it, she was on the phone at the time, and wasn't just picking it up. The police pulled the records. Also as mention, that area doesn't look like a true highway, it's more of a wide bank of streets with crossing points, commercial shopping and offices scattered about.
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The dumb bitch didn't even hit the brakes, more proof she was too busy tweeting how fabulous she thought she was.
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Next time she's on stage the audience should pelt her with cell phones.
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can someone explain to me WHY girls do "bikini" shows where they could just eat normal and keep alittle fat on them and dance on a pole and make like 3 grand a weekend?
I mean- the end result of doing either a bikini show or being stripper is the same---these are women obviously over compensating for a plethora of things
however with stripping you can make a ton of money and NOT cocktease me as much at the gym
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fuck you mom
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can someone explain to me WHY girls do "bikini" shows where they could just eat normal and keep alittle fat on them and dance on a pole and make like 3 grand a weekend?
I mean- the end result of doing either a bikini show or being stripper is the same---these are women obviously over compensating for a plethora of things
however with stripping you can make a ton of money and NOT cocktease me as much at the gym
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believe it or not.....not a huge "Three Amigo's" guy
i take it that just because I have the nose the size of Zach Braff's that we also share the same taste in films
....not always the case
btw is "Nagrani" a wop surname or is she Iranian?
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Just another dumb girl.
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stupid bitchy
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if you kill someone you might as well stop posting pics on the internet to look like your enjoying life out of respect
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if you kill someone you might as well stop posting pics on the internet to look like your enjoying life out of respect
This!
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LOL - one of my top 10 childhood favorite movies. Classic.
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believe it or not.....not a huge "Three Amigo's" guy
Dead to me >:(
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So what?
Is she supposed to stop living life now? ::)
You have no idea how she fucking felt. This was not an intentional manslaughter.
She probably did deserve a harsher sentence but blame one can only blame our pathetic justice system.
Even if she served 25 years, she shouldn't quit living her life.
She's young, beautiful and full of life. She made a tragic mistake.
I agree....justice does not seem to have been served in this case.
But she can't dwell on her mistake. She needs to go on and it looks like she has.
I for one think the punishment was not harsh enough (from the little I know of the case) but this is what our justice system has become. I don't blame the family for seeking out attention.....Nicole deserves harsher.
Obvious White Knight is obvious.
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That is the law everywhere, what`s your point? she did not break the law cause she was not using her cell phone, she was just picking it up off the floor so even where your from the out come would be the same.
She did break the law. That is inattentive driving. In most states that is at the minimum careless driving if it wasn't a conscience decision to drive dangerously. She made a conscience decision to retrieve a phone making her act reckless. Different states use different verbiage but it's not semantically different. In civil court she is going to lose big.
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A "conscience decision"? That seems to be the one thing she hasn't made. Of course, what she did wasn't exactly a display of being fully conscious of her environment either. Self absorbed vapid female. Sad situation because of her ignorance and carelessness.
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Pay attention to the road you whore. Yesterday I was a split second away from punching some whore in the face. She was stopped ahead of me at a stop light and I can see her combing her hair. The light turns green and she's still brushing. I honk my car and she continues brushing. I put my car in park and was about to open the door and get to and she then realizes the light is green and bolts off. I was fucking furious. This whore had no choice but to comb her hair driving?
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http://www.wesh.com/news/central-florida/volusia-county/woman-ticketed-after-crash-kills-pedestrian/-/12983450/22448386/-/11qbgpuz/-/index.html
By Frank Fernandez
frank.fernandez@news-jrnl.com
Published: Monday, September 30, 2013 at 6:40 p.m.
Last Modified: Monday, September 30, 2013 at 9:41 p.m.
A motorist who was reportedly trying to retrieve her cellphone when she struck and killed a woman crossing Ridgewood Avenue in Port Orange should face more punishment than a traffic citation, according to the victim's relatives.
Nicole K. Nagrani, 21, was heading south on South Ridgewood Avenue in her sport utility vehicle on April 11, 2013, when she hit Leona E. Daniluk as the 78-year-old Port Orange resident tried to walk across the highway at White Place. But a traffic homicide investigation concluded that Nagrani's actions were not reckless, a standard needed for a vehicular homicide charge.
Nagrani's attorney, Tim Herring, drove to the accident site and told police that “... Nagrani was not using her cellular phone at the time of the crash, but that the phone had fallen and she was attempting to retrieve it.”
Daniluk's daughter, Tina Melnicoff, said a ticket was insufficient and that Nagrani should serve some prison time.
“I don't see no fairness of it, if she does get a ticket,” Melnicoff said. “She should get more than a ticket. The girl, if she was paying attention that morning driving instead of trying to retrieve her cellphone, she would have had time to stop or swerve or even hit the median."
78 year old whores crossing highways should be a new sport.
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???
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One of the worst things I saw was some bitch eating a bowl of cereal while driving. Who the fuck does that?
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I'm too busy driving super efficiently and watching out for bad guys
I have to stay alert for the appearance of my enemies while driving. No time for phones.
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Those oversized fake tits look ridiculous. Who the fuck do these freaks think they are kidding. I see women who do that to their body as a form of self mutilation which is the physical manifestation of a fucked up psyche.
the same can be said about bodybuilders who take roids
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old lady is jay-walking and gets hit and killed, now the family wants somebody else to "pay" for the old lady's stupidity.
Where does it say she was jay walking?
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Nicole must be the first Olympia winner that has killed someone. Yeah, there's been few murders committed by Olympia competitors such as Titus but I think Nicole's the first winner.
Here's Nicole celebrating 9 days after the incident.
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old lady is jay-walking and gets hit and killed, now the family wants somebody else to "pay" for the old lady's stupidity.
typical in a county with too many lawyers and not enough engineers.
instead of making their own money, they'd rather take the money from others.
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SECOND time I've seen you DEFENDING cell-phone distracted drivers who cause death!!! What's up with you, you can't WAIT to talk when you're not driving, or you did the same thing??
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Despicable human being who should be beaten with shoes
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old lady is jay-walking and gets hit and killed, now the family wants somebody else to "pay" for the old lady's stupidity.
typical in a county with too many lawyers and not enough engineers.
instead of making their own money, they'd rather take the money from others.
Its unamerican for you to say that.
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Pay attention to the road you whore. Yesterday I was a split second away from punching some whore in the face. She was stopped ahead of me at a stop light and I can see her combing her hair. The light turns green and she's still brushing. I honk my car and she continues brushing. I put my car in park and was about to open the door and get to and she then realizes the light is green and bolts off. I was fucking furious. This whore had no choice but to comb her hair driving?
Yes. Always.
Honey, you've been working on your look for the last 3 hours. Whatever ugly you're trying to get rid of is either gone for good or there to stay.
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if you kill someone you might as well stop posting pics on the internet to look like your enjoying life out of respect
She's likely very upset the woman dented the Porsche Cayenne daddy bought her.
She and Jaun Morel can now swap stories.
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SECOND time I've seen you DEFENDING cell-phone distracted drivers who cause death!!! What's up with you, you can't WAIT to talk when you're not driving, or you did the same thing??
find me the first
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if you kill someone you might as well stop posting pics on the internet to look like your enjoying life out of respect
Yeah, for like a day or two...tops. The broad that died was like 90, she may have done her a favor. Maybe she had cancer or some other disease? Maybe Nagrani is actually a hero for putting this woman out of misery? ::)
Serously, what do you want to do execute this hot little dime piece? She fucked up and the fucked up criminal justice system we have in this ridiculous country we live in let her off easy. Dems da breaks.
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old lady is jay-walking and gets hit and killed, now the family wants somebody else to "pay" for the old lady's stupidity.
typical in a county with too many lawyers and not enough engineers.
instead of making their own money, they'd rather take the money from others.
this. Lol at grandma crossing highways lmao. Probably asked for it.
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???
haha... current "reality" TV is getting us there tho.
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She did break the law. That is inattentive driving. In most states that is at the minimum careless driving if it wasn't a conscience decision to drive dangerously. She made a conscience decision to retrieve a phone making her act reckless. Different states use different verbiage but it's not semantically different. In civil court she is going to lose big.
no she did not, you making shit up here, the verdict is out by law and lawyers that she broke no law.
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Yeah, how did the phone get on the floor? She was using it and she dropped it. And since it's illegal to use a phone while driving, why did she need to pick it up? You can play naive all you like, we all know she was using her phone, she admitted it, but due to some bulshit law, her statement wasn't used in court. The woman is a typical spoiled, self centered narcissist who probably masturbates to images of herself. It comes as no surprise that such a conceited individual would run down some poor old lady simply because she is so self absorbed other human beings rarely come up on her radar unless they can offer her something she wants.
dude. Chill. Shit happens, people get killed. Life goes on. You need to chill out, relax. You are way to bitter and you get on that moral high horse and everyone just tunes you out. We get it, youve had some serious issues in your life that werent necessarily your fault. But oart of being a man is overcoming the anger and rage, and moving on, bouncing back and picking yourself back up.
You wont move on... it consumes you and now you see yourself as some kind of crusader of good, when in reality youre just a broken and bitter man who cant accept that shitty things happen to good people for absolutely no reason and there is zero way to control or stop it...
so instead youre constantly pointing the finger, trying to find someone or something to blame for all the injustices that befall otherwise innocent people.
Let it go..... its going to ruin your life and those around you worse than any tragedy youve faced in your lifetime. No one wants to be with a bitter, miserable person.
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Imagine killing a person with your car and cleaning their blood, flesh and hair off your grill, then walking free, disgusting. She should be in jail and not be allowed to drive when she gets out.
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dude. Chill. Shit happens, people get killed. Life goes on. You need to chill out, relax. You are way to bitter and you get on that moral high horse and everyone just tunes you out. We get it, youve had some serious issues in your life that werent necessarily your fault. But oart of being a man is overcoming the anger and rage, and moving on, bouncing back and picking yourself back up.
You wont move on... it consumes you and now you see yourself as some kind of crusader of good, when in reality youre just a broken and bitter man who cant accept that shitty things happen to good people for absolutely no reason and there is zero way to control or stop it...
so instead youre constantly pointing the finger, trying to find someone or something to blame for all the injustices that befall otherwise innocent people.
Let it go..... its going to ruin your life and those around you worse than any tragedy youve faced in your lifetime. No one wants to be with a bitter, miserable person.
X1,000,0000!!!!
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dude. Chill. Shit happens, people get killed. Life goes on. You need to chill out, relax. You are way to bitter and you get on that moral high horse and everyone just tunes you out. We get it, youve had some serious issues in your life that werent necessarily your fault. But oart of being a man is overcoming the anger and rage, and moving on, bouncing back and picking yourself back up.
You wont move on... it consumes you and now you see yourself as some kind of crusader of good, when in reality youre just a broken and bitter man who cant accept that shitty things happen to good people for absolutely no reason and there is zero way to control or stop it...
so instead youre constantly pointing the finger, trying to find someone or something to blame for all the injustices that befall otherwise innocent people.
Let it go..... its going to ruin your life and those around you worse than any tragedy youve faced in your lifetime. No one wants to be with a bitter, miserable person.
POST OF THE YEAR, AMEN BROTHER
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Imagine killing a person with your car and cleaning their blood, flesh and hair off your grill, then walking free, disgusting. She should be in jail and not be allowed to drive when she gets out.
JAIL? no man, she had no intentions of hurting anyone, take her license away = good idea and a harsher punishment? yes but not jail, jail is for bad people with evil intentions.
Dumb people should still be have consequences but in a different manner not behind bars.
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if she'd hit some homeless drunk bum jay-walking on the highway, nobody would say anything.
but it's somebody's grandma who wandering along on the highway and everybody is pissed.
now the grandma's family wants somebody to 'pay'. typical. ::)
Nicole should sue the family of the old lady for letting her out of the house.... because in America, that's what we do to earn money... we don't earn it.. we sue people and try to take it away from others who did.
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no she did not, you making shit up here, the verdict is out by law and lawyers that she broke no law.
she would be jailed in most european countries for driving without due care/reckless driving...
if your eyes arent on the road and you cause a death you may as well hang your self, cause your a real peace of shit, theres no defending this in my eyes
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JAIL? no man, she had no intentions of hurting anyone, take her license away = good idea and a harsher punishment? yes but not jail, jail is for bad people with evil intentions.
Dumb people should still be have consequences but in a different manner not behind bars.
Drunks have no intentions of hurting anyone while driving, they just make stupid decisions much the same way Nicole did. Being inattentive is just as bad as driving under the influence. Both deserve jail time when they kill someone.
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No pics of the killer's tits? What happened to my Getbig?
Disregard, I just browsed the entire thread. Carry on.
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Drunks have no intentions of hurting anyone while driving, they just make stupid decisions much the same way Nicole did. Being inattentive is just as bad as driving under the influence. Both deserve jail time when they kill someone.
I dont know about that. Most of the time a will to kill/die is there first and they just use alcohol to move ahead. Again even when you re drunk, you re still conscious...
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Drunks have no intentions of hurting anyone while driving, they just make stupid decisions much the same way Nicole did. Being inattentive is just as bad as driving under the influence. Both deserve jail time when they kill someone.
well technically neither does someone waving a machine gun in the air and killing 3 other humans.
play dumb if you want but those 2 actions are not comparable.
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Drunks have no intentions of hurting anyone while driving, they just make stupid decisions much the same way Nicole did. Being inattentive is just as bad as driving under the influence. Both deserve jail time when they kill someone.
Great post!
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I dont know about that. Most of the time a will to kill/die is there first and they just use alcohol to move ahead. Again even when you re drunk, you re still conscious...
bro. There isnt always a subconscious motive in everything kike you believe. I know youre trying to explain why people do the dumb sbit rhey do but many times its literally brainless lack of thought.
a lot of people use drugs and alcohol not to kill themselves/others/pain but simply because their brain is addicted to the neurotransmitters released by using the drugs. It overrides your self preservation impulses.
drugs and alcohol will override your basic human impulses. rhere is much more at play than just psychological issues. Expand your learning outside to a broader view of psychology
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bro. There isnt always a subconscious motive in everything kike you believe. I know youre trying to explain why people do the dumb sbit rhey do but many times its literally brainless lack of thought.
a lot of people use drugs and alcohol not to kill themselves/others/pain but simply because their brain is addicted to the neurotransmitters released by using the drugs. It overrides your self preservation impulses.
drugs and alcohol will override your basic human impulses. rhere is much more at play than just psychological issues. Expand your learning outside to a broader view of psychology
dam bro, on the ball today or what ;)
schooling our resident fanatics today. :D
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find me the first
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As requested... ;)
Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: Bikini Pro Nicole Nagrani Killed an old woman crossing the road on: Today at 03:15:47 AM
old lady is jay-walking and gets hit and killed, now the family wants somebody else to "pay" for the old lady's stupidity.
typical in a county with too many lawyers and not enough engineers.
instead of making their own money, they'd rather take the money from others.
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it was an accident - why punish her further?
besides, the old lady should have looked both ways before darting onto the road - talk about reckless . . .
imagine if Nagrani had been forced to swerve around her and struck innocent bystanders?
there's no sense in football playing it now - mistakes were made; life goes on
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Probably was taking a "selfie" with her tits out.
Probably true
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it was an accident - why punish her further?
besides, the old lady should have looked both ways before darting onto the road - talk about reckless . . .
imagine if Nagrani had been forced to swerve around her and struck innocent bystanders?
there's no sense in football playing it now - mistakes were made; life goes on
Agreed. Funny I see this attitude a lot more from military guys. I guess it has something to do with the possibility of dealing with death every day. Most people are appalled and always want someone to blame when shit happens or for someone to be punished... most people cant just undeestand that shit happens and nothing can be done about it.
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Agreed. Funny I see this attitude a lot more from military guys. I guess it has something to do with the possibility of dealing with death every day. Most people are appalled and always want someone to blame when shit happens or for someone to be punished... most people cant just undeestand that shit happens and nothing can be done about it.
I think the military drilling accountability has a huge part in our thought process. Even after being out for quite a long time. People who havent served hear that term and barely comprehend it.
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it was an accident - why punish her further?
besides, the old lady should have looked both ways before darting onto the road - talk about reckless . . .
imagine if Nagrani had been forced to swerve around her and struck innocent bystanders?
there's no sense in football playing it now - mistakes were made; life goes on
you lost me at "old lady darting into the road"...
The problem is we are seeing more accidents and deaths attributed to the driver either texting or trying to get to their phones. Driver distraction. Everything seemingly is more important than the task at hand, which is driving. One can't missed that "all important" phone call or text can they? This bleeds over into other things in life like jobs, social situations (family members going out to eat and everyone having their phones out). It can be a distraction for police and military.
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http://www.wesh.com/news/central-florida/volusia-county/woman-ticketed-after-crash-kills-pedestrian/-/12983450/22448386/-/11qbgpuz/-/index.html
You have to click it a couple of times to get the video to work, but she had enough time to stop if she wasn't fiddling with the cell phone. Also, everyone is going on like this is a major highway, it's not. It's more of a wide street with a crosswalk and slightly higher speed limit. It's not like the old lady jumped a barricade and ran across.
The only question I have is if the old lady crossed on a light and got stuck when it changed over or if she really jay walked.
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I guess I was wrong....no crosswalk.
She is contesting the $166.00 fine.
Jesus Christ. ::)
Maybe I'm wrong....maybe she doesn't give a damn about what she did.
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Ya, in that video it appears that the old lady is crossing with NO CROSSWALK and it appears the closest light for traffic is green for the vehicle that struck her.
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Ya, in that video it appears that the old lady is crossing with NO CROSSWALK and it appears the closest light for traffic is green for the vehicle that struck her.
Yep.
Need to hire this chick to come drive around Durham and thin the herd.
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Yep.
Need to hire this chick to come drive around Durham and thin the herd.
;D
In the video it is also apparent that the old lady was out in the street for 5-8 seconds, as she was crossing slowly. The driver was most likely actually texting not just looking for her phone as she clearly should have seen the old lady in the street from a long distance.
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it was an accident - why punish her further?
besides, the old lady should have looked both ways before darting onto the road - talk about reckless . . .
imagine if Nagrani had been forced to swerve around her and struck innocent bystanders?
there's no sense in football playing it now - mistakes were made; life goes on
Exactly. 2 people fucked up and now one of thems dead, life goes on what more needs to be discussed.
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"jaywalker hit by texting driver"
shake your head, shrug, move on.
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"jaywalker hit by texting driver"
Seems like a wash to me.
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^^
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Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: Bikini Pro Nicole Nagrani Killed an old woman crossing the road on: Today at 03:15:47 AM
old lady is jay-walking and gets hit and killed, now the family wants somebody else to "pay" for the old lady's stupidity.
typical in a county with too many lawyers and not enough engineers.
instead of making their own money, they'd rather take the money from others.
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are you a fucking idiot? that's the post you responded to the first time... after that, and after your little "this is the 2nd time.. blah blah blah" sissy-ass response, I posted another response... TOTALLY two.
I said find me the first.
fuck, you're an idiot.
search again sissy.
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dude. Chill. Shit happens, people get killed. Life goes on. You need to chill out, relax. You are way to bitter and you get on that moral high horse and everyone just tunes you out. We get it, youve had some serious issues in your life that werent necessarily your fault. But oart of being a man is overcoming the anger and rage, and moving on, bouncing back and picking yourself back up.
You wont move on... it consumes you and now you see yourself as some kind of crusader of good, when in reality youre just a broken and bitter man who cant accept that shitty things happen to good people for absolutely no reason and there is zero way to control or stop it...
so instead youre constantly pointing the finger, trying to find someone or something to blame for all the injustices that befall otherwise innocent people.
Let it go..... its going to ruin your life and those around you worse than any tragedy youve faced in your lifetime. No one wants to be with a bitter, miserable person.
Thanks Sherlock, but the way I feel about the LAW I have always felt, rich kids or spoiled narcissistic models should have it applied to them equally. Injustice is injustice, regardless of who is on the receiving end. I will never accept innocent people being seriously injured or killed in preventable incidents because of shallow, narcissistic self absorbed bitches driving while texting. No-one is pointing the finger, this woman acted recklessly and an innocent person died. The way you carry on is as if the whole story is fiction.
I get it, you're a spoiled Westerner who has never suffered a moment in your life, and you worship at the altar of liberal faggotry where everyone should be treated well even if they behave horribly. And news flash, a vast majority of the people walking around are bitter, miserable people, some hide it better than others. If you ever take the time to reflect on your own miserable existence you may uncover some stark realities of how you have created some false persona of normality and happiness to prevent the well of past misery bubbling to the surface. You aren't fooling anyone.
Obviously there is no love lost in your family, for any idiot could run them down in an act of careless driving and with a shrug of your shoulders you would be like 'Oh, well, let's move on people, can't stop young people driving carelessly'. There is obviously some large disconnect between you and other human beings, were you are unable to 'feel'. If that bitch ran my grandmother down and walked away free and then continued posting ridiculous pictures of herself online completely unaffected by the incident, you can guarantee if I had a chance I would deliver some justice.
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it was an accident - why punish her further?
besides, the old lady should have looked both ways before darting onto the road - talk about reckless . . .
imagine if Nagrani had been forced to swerve around her and struck innocent bystanders?
there's no sense in football playing it now - mistakes were made; life goes on
Because it isn't an accident. If the woman was doing everything she could to drive responsibly, then it would be deemed an accident, but the woman was using her phone, which she dropped and then chose to take her eyes of the road to retrieve the phone. The driver chose to act in a careless manner, in a dangerous manner, and some innocent person paid the price. It's the same with drunk driving, if you are going to choose to endanger others through careless driving (driving while intoxicated) it is considered an act of recklessness.
You can guarantee this dumb bitch still uses her mobile phone while driving.
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Should have left the phone on the floor. Who cares if it stays there until you can stop and retrieve it.
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Thanks Sherlock, but the way I feel about the LAW I have always felt, rich kids or spoiled narcissistic models should have it applied to them equally. Injustice is injustice, regardless of who is on the receiving end. I will never accept innocent people being seriously injured or killed in preventable incidents because of shallow, narcissistic self absorbed bitches driving while texting. No-one is pointing the finger, this woman acted recklessly and an innocent person died. The way you carry on is as if the whole story is fiction.
I get it, you're a spoiled Westerner who has never suffered a moment in your life, and you worship at the altar of liberal faggotry where everyone should be treated well even if they behave horribly. And news flash, a vast majority of the people walking around are bitter, miserable people, some hide it better than others. If you ever take the time to reflect on your own miserable existence you may uncover some stark realities of how you have created some false persona of normality and happiness to prevent the well of past misery bubbling to the surface. You aren't fooling anyone.
Obviously there is no love lost in your family, for any idiot could run them down in an act of careless driving and with a shrug of your shoulders you would be like 'Oh, well, let's move on people, can't stop young people driving carelessly'. There is obviously some large disconnect between you and other human beings, were you are unable to 'feel'. If that bitch ran my grandmother down and walked away free and then continued posting ridiculous pictures of herself online completely unaffected by the incident, you can guarantee if I had a chance I would deliver some justice.
I agree with you on this!
If it happened to anyone's family member...a child, brother, sister, mother, wife, ect., you all would feel that a sense of travesty was done! You all would want justice.
This was a great travesty!
It seems like people are so desensitized to caring anymore and no one holds life as precious anymore.
This person that Nicole Nagrani killed was loved and cared for. This was a tragic way to die that could have been prevented!
I don't care if this old woman wasn't in a crosswalk. What if it wasn't an old lady? What if it was a child running across the street trying to chase after a ball? Should we all use the kid for hit and run practice knowing that we are justified to kill that kid because he wasn't using the crosswalk?
Sometimes these laws don't make sense and it seems that if you or your family have money, you are going to get away with it....its not fair!
If it was a minority, I guarantee you that they would be in jail and charged with manslaughter!
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someone is dead?
hahaha, thousands of ppl die every day
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is the car ok?
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It sucks that someone died needlessly. Seems they were both being a bit careless, and one died. It sucks it happened. What sucks though, is that this chick seems to have justified it in her brain already that it's not her fault, because she wasn't jailed. Contesting the $166 fine? Give me a break. Th t being said, where's the pussy shot?
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I can't believe she has the nerve to contest the fine. She ran over somebody ffs.
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This woman was loved!
She was these children's grandmother!
Some of you have no heart!
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http://www.wftv.com/news/news/local/traffic-hearing-woman-accused-running-down-elderly/nbhNy/
PORT ORANGE, Fla. —
A traffic court hearing played out like a criminal trial in Volusia County involving the death of 78-year-old Leona Daniluk.
A judge found the driver, Nicole Nagrani, guilty of failure to use due care. The judge said Nagrani must pay $1,000 fine and do 120 hours of community service. Her license was revoked for six months.
An attorney for Nagrani had tried to pick apart the fatal crash investigation by Port Orange police before the ruling came down.
"Did you even test the breaks?" Nagrani's attorney said.
"I don't think that we started it up? But I don't recall," said a police officer.
Daniluk was hit on Ridgewood Avenue in April while she was trying to cross the road, according to investigators.
Port Orange police said Nagrani was charged with failing to yield to a pedestrian in an unmarked crosswalk with death.
Nagrani's attorney worked hard to discredit the evidence, even video of the crash.
"Is the original still available?" the attorney asked.
"Yes," said a witness.
"Then there's absolutely no reason the original is not here," the attorney said.
In April, Nagrani's attorney told police she was reaching for her cell phone when she hit Daniluk.
Nagrani opted not to show up in court Wednesday and was not available for comment.
A family member of Daniluk attended Monday's hearing. He said Nagrani should have been there to face the judge for her actions.
"Shame on you for not showing up. That's basically saying you're a coward," family member Michael Melnicoff said.
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Goes both ways though.
Grams was illegally crossing. Both were at fault. It's not like Nicole ran a red light. It was an accident.
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Shuffling from one shitty techno song to another ='s a grandma-less Christmas
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You have to put things in perspective.
No one deserves to die for J-walking.
No one should go to prison because of an accident.
Tragedies happen and there is no fixing it.
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This "daughter" is the real p.o.s. in the story if her 78 yr old mother is having to walk across highways instead of being waited on hand and foot during her golden years.
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http://www.wftv.com/news/news/local/traffic-hearing-woman-accused-running-down-elderly/nbhNy/
PORT ORANGE, Fla. —
A traffic court hearing played out like a criminal trial in Volusia County involving the death of 78-year-old Leona Daniluk.
A judge found the driver, Nicole Nagrani, guilty of failure to use due care. The judge said Nagrani must pay $1,000 fine and do 120 hours of community service. Her license was revoked for six months.
An attorney for Nagrani had tried to pick apart the fatal crash investigation by Port Orange police before the ruling came down.
"Did you even test the breaks?" Nagrani's attorney said.
"I don't think that we started it up? But I don't recall," said a police officer.
Daniluk was hit on Ridgewood Avenue in April while she was trying to cross the road, according to investigators.
Port Orange police said Nagrani was charged with failing to yield to a pedestrian in an unmarked crosswalk with death.
Nagrani's attorney worked hard to discredit the evidence, even video of the crash.
"Is the original still available?" the attorney asked.
"Yes," said a witness.
"Then there's absolutely no reason the original is not here," the attorney said.
In April, Nagrani's attorney told police she was reaching for her cell phone when she hit Daniluk.
Nagrani opted not to show up in court Wednesday and was not available for comment.
A family member of Daniluk attended Monday's hearing. He said Nagrani should have been there to face the judge for her actions.
"Shame on you for not showing up. That's basically saying you're a coward," family member Michael Melnicoff said.
Attorneys are such pieces of shit. Some of the worst filth ever to walk the Earth... Worst occupation ever, I dont care what anyone says.
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Goes both ways though.
Grams was illegally crossing. Both were at fault. It's not like Nicole ran a red light. It was an accident.
Yeah, driving while not looking where you are driving is perfectly reasonable, I mean looking where you are going isn't that important in the scheme of driving anyways, right.
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Yeah, driving while not looking where you are driving is perfectly reasonable, I mean looking where you are going isn't that important in the scheme of driving anyways, right.
It was an accident though, she dropped something.
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You have to put things in perspective.
No one deserves to die for J-walking.
No one should go to prison because of an accident.
Tragedies happen and there is no fixing it.
Driving whilst not paying attention and killing someone is NO accident. It's like someone dropping rocks from an overpass onto the freeway, do it long enough and someone is going to get killed. I am amazed how often acts of sheer recklessness get described as an accident.
If enough people drive while using their mobile phones then this makes fatalities and serious injuries to innocent others inevitable. If the woman was driving responsibly, saw the old woman slowly crossing the road and hit her brakes to avoid a collision and her brakes failed, that would be an accident. Driving along with you head buried between the dashboard AND the floor and completely oblivious to your surroundings let alone the fact you are driving a vehicle and then you unknowingly run someone over with ZERO evasive action taken, then this is the epitome of stupidity and the driver deliberately and drastically increased the odds of harming someone else. That is NO ACCIDENT !
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Driving whilst not paying attention and killing someone is NO accident. It's like someone dropping rocks from an overpass onto the freeway, do it long enough and someone is going to get killed. I am amazed how often acts of sheer recklessness get described as an accident.
If enough people drive while using their mobile phones then this makes fatalities and serious injuries to innocent others inevitable. If the woman was driving responsibly, saw the old woman slowly crossing the road and hit her brakes to avoid a collision and her brakes failed, that would be an accident. Driving along with you head buried between the dashboard AND the floor and completely oblivious to your surroundings let alone the fact you are driving a vehicle is the epitome of stupidity and drastically increases the odds of harming someone else. That is NO ACCIDENT !
Would you preach this as well if it was your wife who made this mistake? Or your mother? We all know women are retards behind the wheel. Curious to see how harsh you think their punishment should be?
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Would you preach this as well if it was your wife who made this mistake? Or your mother? We all know women are retards behind the wheel. Curious to see how harsh you think their punishment should be?
Abso FUCKING lutely. If this was one of my loved ones I would insist they lock them up to teach them a lesson. I have never understood this forgive your family for all the stupid shit they do mentality, that's why they are fucked up in the first place doing stupid shit, because no-one ever held them accountable.
I just taught my stepdaughter to drive, if she dared use her phone whilst driving she wouldn't be allowed the privilege of driving my car. One of her friends just wrapped herself around a tree and killed herself (one week shy of her 19th birthday), police say she may have been distracted (we all knew what that meant). My step daughter told me after her friend died whilst driving she was grateful I drilled into her how dangerous driving was and taught her how to be the most defensive driver you could be. If anything I am way harder on those close to me, fortunately, everyone I know has common sense, and takes dangerous tasks such as driving seriously.
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Yeah, driving while not looking where you are driving is perfectly reasonable, I mean looking where you are going isn't that important in the scheme of driving anyways, right.
Chiro standing up for her because she's young and white and pretty.
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"In April, Nagrani's attorney told police she was reaching for her cell phone when she hit Daniluk.
Nagrani opted not to show up in court Wednesday and was not available for comment."
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Damn. Bitch was most likely too busy training shoulders and getting a spray tan.
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"In April, Nagrani's attorney told police she was reaching for her cell phone when she hit Daniluk.
Nagrani opted not to show up in court Wednesday and was not available for comment."
Damn. Bitch was most likely too busy training shoulders and getting a spray tan.
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Chiro standing up for her because she's young and white and pretty.
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She's not even white I don't think?
I'm the last guy here you'll find white knighting. Fact is i could care less about this broad. Just questioning how far Ekul is willing to take his theories. Some people here want to hang her. Others like myself don't think that punishment fits the crime.
Try again, The Stink.
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Jailed for one year after killing a cyclist whilst driving and texting on her mobile phone.
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Jailed for one year after killing a cyclist whilst driving and texting on her mobile phone.
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she wasn't texting and driving.....somebody was in the backseat of her car when she was driving and used a piece of dental floss to blindfold her
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Shuffling from one shitty techno song to another ='s a grandma-less Christmas
JNN crushing individuals in this thread.
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Jailed for one year after killing a cyclist whilst driving and texting on her mobile phone.
Well clearly she never saw the guy.
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She's not even white I don't think?
I'm the last guy here you'll find white knighting. Fact is i could care less about this broad. Just questioning how far Ekul is willing to take his theories. Some people here want to hang her. Others like myself don't think that punishment fits the crime.
Try again, The Stink.
Kul is willing to go farther than you and hit crazier tangents too, most here would bet on that. God speed pumpkin seed
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Jailed for one year after killing a cyclist whilst driving and texting on her mobile phone.
this is no suprise heres the science behind the case:
she has sloteyes,ok?
so if she stares at the phone,she must close the eyes a bit, you know what i mean, and then,those eyes are pretty much closed.
shouldve gotten off, to not be racist
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Kul is willing to go farther than you and hit crazier tangents too, most here would bet on that. God speed pumpkin seed
I think blatantly texting and hitting someone is a far worse offense than dropping an object and trying to retrieve it and hitting someone.
Both are still unacceptable, but one is "worse" IMO.
What you?
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she wasn't texting and driving.....somebody was in the backseat of her car when she was driving and used a piece of dental floss to blindfold her
GOLD
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I think blatantly texting and hitting someone is a far worse offense than dropping an object and trying to retrieve it and hitting someone.
Both are still unacceptable, but one is "worse" IMO.
What you?
Watch the video CF. I think she is lying. You can look/feel for your phone and watch the road. Clearly she was looking down for 4-5 real seconds. She was texting.
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Jeffery Lloyd Bascom sentenced to 5 years in prison after he hit a 15-year-old with his pickup truck as he and a friend walked along the unlit shoulder of 500 West near 1200 South in Vernal.
The driver of the truck, Jeffery Lloyd Bascom, told witnesses and police he was distracted by his cellphone and never saw the boy, who was wearing a neon yellow sweatshirt when he was struck.
"What was on his phone was more important to him than the human being standing on the side of the road," Uintah County prosecutor Mike Drechsel said during Bascom's sentencing hearing Monday.
"The only person that could have prevented this from happening is the defendant," Drechsel said. "He is 100 percent to blame for the death of Tommy Clark."
Bascom, his head bowed, appeared to nod in agreement with the prosecutor's indictment. He also wiped away tears as Tommy's grandfather and parents, Tom and Evie Lesser, addressed Judge Douglas Thomas. The crash left Bascom with a broken jaw, which was still wired shut Monday, preventing him from making any statements in court.
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I think blatantly texting and hitting someone is a far worse offense than dropping an object and trying to retrieve it and hitting someone.
Both are still unacceptable, but one is "worse" IMO.
What you?
This situation is even worse, she was using her mobile phone and dropped it, so if using your mobile wasn't distracting enough, by attempting to retrieve it she literally now has no chance of avoiding a collision.
" Police said the driver, Nicole Nagrani, took her eyes off the road to answer a cellphone call when she struck Leona Daniluk, 78, as she crossed the street.
Nagrani's attorney said her phone had fallen and she tried to retrieve it."
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Watch the video CF. I think she is lying. You can look/feel for your phone and watch the road. Clearly she was looking down for 4-5 real seconds. She was texting.
But she is young, white, and attractive.
She would never tell a lie.
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But she is young, white, and attractive.
She would never tell a lie.
:D Amen brother amen! Here she is driving earlier that same day. Case dismissed!
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If I drop anything in my car I can't retrieve it while driving because I can't reach. I have to wait till I'm at a stop.
If I want to reach it I have to have my head way down and eyes off of the road.
Nicole can't be that tall....she probably had her eyes off the road as she was attempting to reach for her phone.
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I think blatantly texting and hitting someone is a far worse offense than dropping an object and trying to retrieve it and hitting someone.
Both are still unacceptable, but one is "worse" IMO.
What you?
I agree, but how do we know she's not just saying that to lessen her guilt?
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If I drop anything in my car I can't retrieve it while driving because I can't reach. I have to wait till I'm at a stop.
If I want to reach it I have to have my head way down and eyes off of the road.
Nicole can't be that tall....she probably had her eyes off the road as she was attempting to reach for her phone.
Thats because you're a woman and you're incompetent.
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If I drop anything in my car I can't retrieve it while driving because I can't reach. I have to wait till I'm at a stop.
If I want to reach it I have to have my head way down and eyes off of the road.
Nicole can't be that tall....she probably had her eyes off the road as she was attempting to reach for her phone.
I was driving once whilst eating French Freedom fries and I hit a speed bump. Got a huge fry stuck right up my nose, but I refused to dislodge the delicious fried treat out of principle.
I will NOT be a perpetrator of careless driving.
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I agree, but how do we know she's not just saying that to lessen her guilt?
How do we know she was not lying?
"...beyond a reasonable doubt....."
Thats because you're a woman and you're incompetent.
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I was driving once whilst eating French Freedom fries and I hit a speed bump. Got a huge fry stuck right up my nose, but I refused to dislodge the delicious fried treat out of principle.
I will NOT be a perpetrator of careless driving.
You're an idiot, eating whilst driving is still a careless act.
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You're an idiot, eating whilst driving is still a careless act.
You're an even bigger idiot for believing that false tale.
Idiot.
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You're an even bigger idiot for believing that false tale.
Idiot.
I didn't believe it, merely pointed out you have no idea what constitutes careless driving.
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You're an idiot, eating whilst driving is still a careless act.
It can be.
Texting will take your eyes off the road for a longer time than eating, if eating takes a persons eyes off the road at all.
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I didn't believe it, merely pointed out you have no idea what constitutes careless driving.
I actually specialize in Careless Driving thank you very much.
Just last week I passed one of my good friends while driving. I proceeded to pull my balls out (Weiner still concealed) and arched my body upwards to show him the goods while making a strange contorted look on my face. Needless to say I was regarded as quite the juggernaut of clever humor for the next few days.
What you?
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:D ;D
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It can be.
Texting will take your eyes off the road for a longer time than eating, if eating takes a persons eyes off the road at all.
It's not just your eyes, if you are eating you don't have full control of the wheel or other controls which reduces your chances of taking evasive action if required. Judging by the average getbiggers driving habits, you have to wonder how many accidents they have been in.
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It's not just your eyes, if you are eating you don't have full control of the wheel or other controls which reduces your chances of taking evasive action if required. Judging by the average getbiggers driving habits, you have to wonder how many accidents they have been in.
Age 25 bro, zero accidents, posting this from a stoplight as we speak.
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"In April, Nagrani's attorney told police she was reaching for her cell phone when she hit Daniluk.
must have been a deadly serious important call
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Age 25 bro, zero accidents, posting this from a stoplight as we speak.
Explains everything !
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Abso FUCKING lutely. If this was one of my loved ones I would insist they lock them up to teach them a lesson. I have never understood this forgive your family for all the stupid shit they do mentality, that's why they are fucked up in the first place doing stupid shit, because no-one ever held them accountable.
I just taught my stepdaughter to drive, if she dared use her phone whilst driving she wouldn't be allowed the privilege of driving my car. One of her friends just wrapped herself around a tree and killed herself (one week shy of her 19th birthday), police say she may have been distracted (we all knew what that meant). My step daughter told me after her friend died whilst driving she was grateful I drilled into her how dangerous driving was and taught her how to be the most defensive driver you could be. If anything I am way harder on those close to me, fortunately, everyone I know has common sense, and takes dangerous tasks such as driving seriously.
e kul per usual you are wrong. One act requires intent, the other is negligence at best. An element of every crime on any book in every state is intent.
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e kul per usual you are wrong. One act requires intent, the other is negligence at best. An element of every crime on any book in every state is intent.
Bollocks. How do you define drink driving. In the case of exceeding the blood alcohol limit you can be penalized without harming anybody and with zero criminal intent, same goes with most traffic laws, speeding, running a red light. These law are based on actuarial risk. Drink driving, speeding, running a red light increases actuarial risk for innocent people, as does using a mobile phone while driving. Using your mobile phone whilst driving is a criminal act. This case should be judged a negligent homicide, any reasonable person would asses that dropping your mobile phone whilst driving and then reaching for it and not being aware of your surroundings while driving increases actuarial risk to innocent parties. Therefore a negligent act.
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she wasn't texting and driving.....somebody was in the backseat of her car when she was driving and used a piece of dental floss to blindfold her
JNN coming back with a vengeance!
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cswol driving shirtless.
true getbigger
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Thanks Sherlock, but the way I feel about the LAW I have always felt, rich kids or spoiled narcissistic models should have it applied to them equally. Injustice is injustice, regardless of who is on the receiving end. I will never accept innocent people being seriously injured or killed in preventable incidents because of shallow, narcissistic self absorbed bitches driving while texting. No-one is pointing the finger, this woman acted recklessly and an innocent person died. The way you carry on is as if the whole story is fiction.
I get it, you're a spoiled Westerner who has never suffered a moment in your life, and you worship at the altar of liberal faggotry where everyone should be treated well even if they behave horribly. And news flash, a vast majority of the people walking around are bitter, miserable people, some hide it better than others. If you ever take the time to reflect on your own miserable existence you may uncover some stark realities of how you have created some false persona of normality and happiness to prevent the well of past misery bubbling to the surface. You aren't fooling anyone.
Obviously there is no love lost in your family, for any idiot could run them down in an act of careless driving and with a shrug of your shoulders you would be like 'Oh, well, let's move on people, can't stop young people driving carelessly'. There is obviously some large disconnect between you and other human beings, were you are unable to 'feel'. If that bitch ran my grandmother down and walked away free and then continued posting ridiculous pictures of herself online completely unaffected by the incident, you can guarantee if I had a chance I would deliver some justice.
Haha, you're so far off its not even funny. And you're right... I would try not to vindictively go after others lives and simply cause more pain in the process.
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At least Paul Walker never killed anyone while driving
But his friend killed him instead :-\
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Thanks Sherlock, but the way I feel about the LAW I have always felt, rich kids or spoiled narcissistic models should have it applied to them equally. Injustice is injustice, regardless of who is on the receiving end. I will never accept innocent people being seriously injured or killed in preventable incidents because of shallow, narcissistic self absorbed bitches driving while texting. No-one is pointing the finger, this woman acted recklessly and an innocent person died. The way you carry on is as if the whole story is fiction.
haha, okay "E-Tool"
not sure how the old lady was "innocent"
she too broke your precious laws, putting herself and others in danger - yet for whatever reason you have exonerated her of any personal accountability
say Nagrani had slammed on the breaks or swerved to avoid hitting the old lady, there could have been a much greater incident involving people who were indeed innocent
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I think the military drilling accountability has a huge part in our thought process. Even after being out for quite a long time. People who havent served hear that term and barely comprehend it.
one of the most valuable lessons the army has taught me is that "when you choose the behaviour, you choose the consequences"
bottom line: the woman walked into traffic and got hit by a car
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I almost hit someone crossing the road the other day. It was coming on dusk and I honestly didn't see this woman...she suddenly appeared out of nowhere. You can't take your eyes off the road for one second.
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haha, okay "E-Tool"
not sure how the old lady was "innocent"
she too broke your precious laws, putting herself and others in danger - yet for whatever reason you have exonerated her of any personal accountability
say Nagrani had slammed on the breaks or swerved to avoid hitting the old lady, there could have been a much greater incident involving people who were indeed innocent
It's because in Ekuls world, there has to be a "good" and "evil", "right" and "wrong". He has to have it in black and white so he can try and crusade. He looks at the world through a childs eyes. IMHO it's the only way he can explain all the terrible luck that has befallen him.
I get the sense that every opinion in every post of Ekuls revolves around his inability to deal with his own issues, so he projects them outward, viewing the world through warped lenses.
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one time while driving in london, prefectly way under the legal speed, on evening, not very busy road....
all of a sudden, this stinking piece of shit chav kid dliberately jumpcrosses the street,to scare car drivers i guess.he even did a wheelie or reverse wheelie to show how well his little stunt went.
now first, if he fell down, hed have been toast and very dead, he jumped no more than 3 feet before my car, and this chavtwat came from behind parked cars on the side of the street, no chance in hell to see him coming.
i did the epic panic braking , you know this feeling where the heart almost stops and the blood "freezes", car nehind me almost crash into my rear.
the kid would have run away and no insurance wouldve covered the car behind me.
as i drove on i se in the back the chavcunt doing it again.
some weak hearted guy could literaly get an infarct or soemthing.
somehow, no matter how i think about it, i think the kid would kinda deserve the early death its asking for.
kid was maybe 12 or so.hard to tell,the fat girl was obese.
not defending nagrani,wouldnt be suprise dif she was actualy taking a daft selfie while driving or putting on mascara,shes a piece of shit regardless just by looking at her mongoloid inbred face, but theres many posibilities there.
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Dumb bimbos and their mobile phones.
Implants are too big for her frame. She looks petite-- the Doc would slit her in two. Lol.
DOC
Lift, fuck, make money
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Lol did you actually take these yourself Tommy?
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Nagrani's attorney, Tim Herring, drove to the accident site and told police that “... Nagrani was not using her cellular phone at the time of the crash, but that the phone had fallen and she was attempting to retrieve it.”
ya soo who fucken cares.....
what a fucken joke....
unreal if all she got was ticket-she was trying to get her cell phone while driving and killed someone at a intersection while she was supposed to merge for the women..-stupid bitch- wasn't paying attention period and killed someone--she needs to do some jail time-A ticket unreal.i hope she atleast lost her licence to drive for a 5-10 years..... lucky that wasn't someone from my family she killed... she would pay big time....
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http://www.wesh.com/news/central-florida/volusia-county/woman-ticketed-after-crash-kills-pedestrian/-/12983450/22448386/-/11qbgpuz/-/index.html
By Frank Fernandez
frank.fernandez@news-jrnl.com
Published: Monday, September 30, 2013 at 6:40 p.m.
A motorist who was reportedly trying to retrieve her cellphone when she struck and killed a woman crossing Ridgewood Avenue in Port Orange should face more punishment than a traffic citation, according to the victim's relatives.
Nicole K. Nagrani, 21, was heading south on South Ridgewood Avenue in her sport utility vehicle on April 11, 2013, when she hit Leona E. Daniluk as the 78-year-old Port Orange resident tried to walk across the highway at White Place. But a traffic homicide investigation concluded that Nagrani's actions were not reckless, a standard needed for a vehicular homicide charge.
Nagrani's attorney, Tim Herring, drove to the accident site and told police that “... Nagrani was not using her cellular phone at the time of the crash, but that the phone had fallen and she was attempting to retrieve it.”
Daniluk's daughter, Tina Melnicoff, said a ticket was insufficient and that Nagrani should serve some prison time. “I don't see no fairness of it, if she does get a ticket,” Melnicoff said. “She should get more than a ticket. The girl, if she was paying attention that morning driving instead of trying to retrieve her cellphone, she would have had time to stop or swerve or even hit the median."
Ha, everyone is just accepting the argument made by her attorney and assuming that she was retrieving the cellphone. I think her high priced attorney knew what he needed to do to get her off.
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That is the law everywhere, what`s your point? she did not break the law cause she was not using her cell phone, she was just picking it up off the floor so even where your from the out come would be the same.
so if your not paying attention its ok if ya kill someone while driving... ??
why the fuck would she need her phone right at that momement while driving--?? and how did it drop on the floor if driving down a straight road-when she was supposed to merge for the women at a intersection--ummmm she dropped it---out of her hand...
I was rear ended by a guy who was reaching for a cd once and it was 100 % his fault and I settled on a injury claim...whats the fucken diff--bottom line if all she got was a ticket fine and is contesting it (the fine) thats totally fucked, she got off real easy..but its gonna cost her cause karma is a bitch..
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ya that phone "fell down" after she realized she ran someone over.
hopefuly theres karma and if shes guilty,gets some epic disease.
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It's because in Ekuls world, there has to be a "good" and "evil", "right" and "wrong". He has to have it in black and white so he can try and crusade. He looks at the world through a childs eyes. IMHO it's the only way he can explain all the terrible luck that has befallen him.
I get the sense that every opinion in every post of Ekuls revolves around his inability to deal with his own issues, so he projects them outward, viewing the world through warped lenses.
So in your world their is no right and wrong. OK Got it. Explains everything. Most Laws are pretty black and white. Take the Traffic light system for instance, if people didn't respond to such a system in a black and white way, the system would be pointless. The law doesn't say, you can go through a red light if you think it is safe. It says unequivocally, you can't go through a RED light EVER !!!
It's this simple, I look at any incident in the terms of "How would I feel if that was me". In this case, how would I feel if some spoiled bimbo driving daddy's Porsche wasn't paying attention and ran me over while I crossed the road. I would be pissed off. As for how the spoiled princess driving daddy's Porsche while using her mobile phone feels, I will never know, I can't identify with such ludicrous characters. I actually take driving seriously and acknowledge it is a danger to myself and others, so I don't use a mobile phone while driving. EVER. SO it's hard for me to identify with her plight. So it would have to be a hypothetical, lets say it was me in her position, I would absolutely accept responsibility, be deeply remorseful and apologize profusely to the family of the victim and expect to be punished. I certainly wouldn't be pretending like nothing happened and posting self indulgent, gratuitous selfies on social media. I would be using my story as a warning to others and publicly condemning my actions.
The type of people who defend women like this, in my opinion have zero self worth. Essentially, they are saying they would be happy to die in the same circumstances. Anybody who is OK with some bimbo running them over while using their mobile phone probably deserves to be dead. The elderly victim isn't the recipient of bad luck, but the victim of a careless reckless individual. Their is a difference between being a victim of bad luck and the victim of an IDIOT !!!
The only one projecting their warped world view is you. You are either a) a reckless individual like this woman and would also like to avoid accountability for your actions or B) A complete and utter MORON. People like you are frightening, you see shades of grey where there are none and then you see things in black and white when their are shades of grey.
I posted a story earlier about a man who killed a couple while he was texting. When the prosecution said he was the only person capable of preventing the incident and that he was 100% responsible, the culpable driver nodded in agreement. Now there is a man, someone willing to accept responsibility for his actions and admits when he is wrong. This stupid bitch acting as if nothing ever happened. blaming the victim and posting her narcissistic photos on social media straight after the incident is a sick and twisted human being. She will only face greater inner torment by avoiding personal responsibility. She may have used the fucked up system to avoid being held accountable, but until she acknowledges that she killed someone through reckless and careless actions, an incident that could easily been avoided had she been responsible, she will have a lingering torment at the back of her psyche.
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So in your world their is no right and wrong. OK Got it. Explains everything. Most Laws are pretty black and white. Take the Traffic light system for instance, if people didn't respond to such a system in a black and white way, the system would be pointless. The law doesn't say, you can go through a red light if you think it is safe. It says unequivocally, you can't go through a RED light EVER !!!
It's this simple, I look at any incident in the terms of "How would I feel if that was me". In this case, how would I feel if some spoiled bimbo driving daddy's Porsche wasn't paying attention and ran me over while I crossed the road. I would be pissed off. As for how the spoiled princess driving daddy's Porsche while using her mobile phone feels, I will never know, I can't identify with such ludicrous characters. I actually take driving seriously and acknowledge it is a danger to myself and others, so I don't use a mobile phone while driving. EVER. SO it's hard for me to identify with her plight.
The type of people who defend women like this, in my opinion have zero self worth. Essentially, they are saying they would be happy to die in the same circumstances. Anybody who is OK with some bimbo running them over while using their mobile phone probably deserves to be dead. The elderly victim isn't the recipient of bad luck, but the victim of a careless reckless individual. Their is a difference between being a victim of bad luck and the victim of an IDIOT !!!
The only one projecting their warped world view is you. You are either a) a reckless individual like this woman and would also like to avoid accountability for your actions or B) A complete and utter MORON. People like you are frightening, you seed shades of grey where there are none and then you see things in black and white when their are shades of grey.
I posted a story earlier about a man who killed a couple while he was texting. When the prosecution said he was the only person capable of preventing the incident and that he was 100% responsible, the culpable driver nodded in agreement. Now there is a man, someone willing to accept responsibility for his actions and admits when he is wrong. This stupid bitch acting as if nothing ever happened. blaming the victim and posting her narcissistic photos on social media straight after the incident is a sick and twisted human being. She will only face greater inner torment by avoiding personal responsibility. She may have used the fucked up system to avoid being held accountable, but until she acknowledges that she killed someone through reckless and careless actions, an incident that could easily been avoided had she been responsible, she will have a lingering torment at the back of her psyche.
well put....this whole thing of her getting off so easy--it makes zero sense to me the law system is so messed up.. I find it hard to believe that the paid off or sucked off judge didn't at least suspend her licence for a few years ..she needs to be exposed for her actions-and this is a good start here on GetBig
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so if your not paying attention its ok if ya kill someone while driving... ??
why the fuck would she need her phone right at that momement while driving--?? and how did it drop on the floor if driving down a straight road-when she was supposed to merge for the women at a intersection--ummmm she dropped it---out of her hand...
I was rear ended by a guy who was reaching for a cd once and it was 100 % his fault and I settled on a injury claim...whats the fucken diff--bottom line if all she got was a ticket fine and is contesting it (the fine) thats totally fucked, she got off real easy..but its gonna cost her cause karma is a bitch..
no it's not OK, the bitch is a retard and she did something real fucken dumb, did she get off easy? of course.
Now let's face the facts though, jail is made for criminals who do evil deeds and the reality is I can go to any corner light and observe thousands of people using there phones at any given time, are they dumb fucks? yes, should they go to jail as criminals? fuck no. the girl is stupid, she made a mistake, it could have happen to anyone.
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no it's not OK, the bitch is a retard and she did something real fucken dumb, did she get off easy? of course.
Now let's face the facts though, jail is made for criminals who do evil deeds and the reality is I can go to any corner light and observe thousands of people using there phones at any given time, are they dumb fucks? yes, should they go to jail as criminals? fuck no. the girl is stupid, she made a mistake, it could have happen to anyone.
The majority of the people in jail are there for drug related offences. Smoking weed = evil criminal who needs to be incarcerated, killing someone while driving and texting is perfectly OK. No wonder our planet is fucked.
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The majority of the people in jail are there for drug related offences. Smoking weed = evil criminal who needs to be incarcerated, killing someone while driving and texting is perfectly OK. No wonder our planet is fucked.
The other day i was driving and I never use my phone while I drive but I had bid on a contract earlier and was expecting a call. So I am driving in heavy snow and the phone rang so I grabbed it without the intentions of answering but I wanted to see who was calling. As I let my eyes off the wheel for a split second, boom the car in front slammed on his breaks so I put the breaks and swerved, i drive a CTS and they are rear wheel drive so I did a 360 and didn't hit anyone despite 3 or 4 cars slamming breaks and moving out of the way.
My heart was going 200, such a close call and boy did I regret fiddling with the phone, point is this shit can happen to anyone, I am not a criminal and do not belong in jail even if I would have hurt someone, it is one of those things that can happen to anyone.
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The other day i was driving and I never use my phone while I drive but I had bid on a contract earlier and was expecting a call. So I am driving in heavy snow and the phone rang so I grabbed it without the intentions of answering but I wanted to see who was calling. As I let my eyes off the wheel for a split second, boom the car in front slammed on his breaks so I put the breaks and swerved, i drive a CTS and they are rear wheel drive so I did a 360 and didn't hit anyone despite 3 or 4 cars slamming breaks and moving out of the way.
My heart was going 200, such a close call and boy did I regret fiddling with the phone, point is this shit can happen to anyone, I am not a criminal and do not belong in jail even if I would have hurt someone, it is one of those things that can happen to anyone.
After all this back and forward today about this incident, I drove to the shops, and I was waiting at a set of lights to turn right into the shopping center. I was behind about three other cars. Well the arrow goes green, and some woman coming in the opposite direction drives straight through the Intersection thinking it was a green light, except it was a red light with a green arrow. As I started to realize why the cars in front of me weren't responding to the green turning arrow I looked to the intersection, and then sure enough I see this idiot woman driving through the intersection AGAINST a red light looking at her phone the whole time, she didn't even realize she was driving through a red light (she probably still has no idea she did) , it was only the attention of the other drivers that prevented this from being an accident.
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Any bitch who plays with her phone while driving should have her teeth punched out.
This bitch was clearly texting or some such shit.
I have had bitches on their phones while driving who would have crashed into me if I hadn't seen the stupid cun'ts with their faces in their phones and driven evasively.
These cun'ts can kill your wife and kids. So fuck anyone who makes excuses for them.
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So in your world their is no right and wrong. OK Got it. Explains everything. Most Laws are pretty black and white. Take the Traffic light system for instance, if people didn't respond to such a system in a black and white way, the system would be pointless. The law doesn't say, you can go through a red light if you think it is safe. It says unequivocally, you can't go through a RED light EVER !!!
It's this simple, I look at any incident in the terms of "How would I feel if that was me". In this case, how would I feel if some spoiled bimbo driving daddy's Porsche wasn't paying attention and ran me over while I crossed the road. I would be pissed off. As for how the spoiled princess driving daddy's Porsche while using her mobile phone feels, I will never know, I can't identify with such ludicrous characters. I actually take driving seriously and acknowledge it is a danger to myself and others, so I don't use a mobile phone while driving. EVER. SO it's hard for me to identify with her plight. So it would have to be a hypothetical, lets say it was me in her position, I would absolutely accept responsibility, be deeply remorseful and apologize profusely to the family of the victim and expect to be punished. I certainly wouldn't be pretending like nothing happened and posting self indulgent, gratuitous selfies on social media. I would be using my story as a warning to others and publicly condemning my actions.
The type of people who defend women like this, in my opinion have zero self worth. Essentially, they are saying they would be happy to die in the same circumstances. Anybody who is OK with some bimbo running them over while using their mobile phone probably deserves to be dead. The elderly victim isn't the recipient of bad luck, but the victim of a careless reckless individual. Their is a difference between being a victim of bad luck and the victim of an IDIOT !!!
The only one projecting their warped world view is you. You are either a) a reckless individual like this woman and would also like to avoid accountability for your actions or B) A complete and utter MORON. People like you are frightening, you see shades of grey where there are none and then you see things in black and white when their are shades of grey.
I posted a story earlier about a man who killed a couple while he was texting. When the prosecution said he was the only person capable of preventing the incident and that he was 100% responsible, the culpable driver nodded in agreement. Now there is a man, someone willing to accept responsibility for his actions and admits when he is wrong. This stupid bitch acting as if nothing ever happened. blaming the victim and posting her narcissistic photos on social media straight after the incident is a sick and twisted human being. She will only face greater inner torment by avoiding personal responsibility. She may have used the fucked up system to avoid being held accountable, but until she acknowledges that she killed someone through reckless and careless actions, an incident that could easily been avoided had she been responsible, she will have a lingering torment at the back of her psyche.
I never said that there is NO right and wrong Nimrod, but not everything falls into neat little catagories of good/evil, victim/perpetrator.
An old lady walked into a road with no crosswalk where she shouldn't have been and got nailed by a bimbo not paying attention. Not anywhere near the dramatic injustice you're trying to make it out to be.
both were wrong, now ones dead and y9urr crusading to ruin the life of another because of an accident all because you have to have someone to be the 'evil'. You have the mentality of a child and refuse to accept that the world isnt black and white, its shaded of grey and there isnt always a clear cut right and wrong.
I sincerely hope you can deal with your issues before someone crosses paths with you and you decide to ruin his/her life because they were 'wrong'and must pay. ::)
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one of the most valuable lessons the army has taught me is that "when you choose the behaviour, you choose the consequences"
bottom line: the woman walked into traffic and got hit by a car
Absolutely.
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I never said that there is NO right and wrong Nimrod, but not everything falls into neat little catagories of good/evil, victim/perpetrator.
An old lady walked into a road with no crosswalk where she shouldn't have been and got nailed by a bimbo not paying attention. Not anywhere near the dramatic injustice you're trying to make it out to be.
both were wrong, now ones dead and y9urr crusading to ruin the life of another because of an accident all because you have to have someone to be the 'evil'. You have the mentality of a child and refuse to accept that the world isnt black and white, its shaded of grey and there isnt always a clear cut right and wrong.
I sincerely hope you can deal with your issues before someone crosses paths with you and you decide to ruin his/her life because they were 'wrong'and must pay. ::)
You are an idiot of epic proportions. The dramatic injustice is, society isn't holding the young woman accountable, nor does she accept responsibility for her actions. She is being afforded a privileged judgement as opposed to other people guilty of similar offenses. I am sorry that you can't rouse the slightest emotion for another human being including your friends and family. But if that happened to your grandmother and you showed the cavalier attitude you do here, then you don't deserve human beings in your life. You are a failed human being IMHO. There is no help out there for people such as yourself.
There was a story I posted earlier about a man who acknowledged his responsibility in the deaths of two people he killed while texting and driving. I admire such a man, he did the wrong thing and he fronted up and accepted the punishment given.
It is obvious you have done some fucked up shit before and got away with it, no decent person would defend such disgusting behaviour as shown by this shallow, narcissistic bitch unless they strongly identified with being irresponsible causing innocent people harm and then getting away with it.
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one of the most valuable lessons the army has taught me is that "when you choose the behaviour, you choose the consequences"
bottom line: the woman walked into traffic and got hit by a car
Ridiculous, what's more irresponsible, an elderly woman doing her best to cross the road without being killed or some bimbo driving along completely unaware of her surroundings because she dropped her phone and her head is now half way between the dashboard and the floor. Obviously your army lesson was bullshit, because this young woman chose the reckless driving behaviour and suffered no real consequences.
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Ridiculous, what's more irresponsible, an elderly woman doing her best to cross the road without being killed or some bimbo driving along completely unaware of her surroundings because she dropped her phone and her head is now half way between the dashboard and the floor. Obviously your army lesson was bullshit, because this young woman chose the reckless driving behaviour and suffered no real consequences.
they both made a bad decision and now one person os dead and youre making this out to be slme sort of huge social injustice. 2 people made a bad decision. An accident happened. A lady that walked into trafgic illegally got killed. That's it. No huge injustice, no massive wrong to be righted. 2 people screwed up together and an accident occured.
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Jeffery Lloyd Bascom sentenced to 5 years in prison after he hit a 15-year-old with his pickup truck as he and a friend walked along the unlit shoulder of 500 West near 1200 South in Vernal.
The driver of the truck, Jeffery Lloyd Bascom, told witnesses and police he was distracted by his cellphone and never saw the boy, who was wearing a neon yellow sweatshirt when he was struck.
"What was on his phone was more important to him than the human being standing on the side of the road," Uintah County prosecutor Mike Drechsel said during Bascom's sentencing hearing Monday.
"The only person that could have prevented this from happening is the defendant," Drechsel said. "He is 100 percent to blame for the death of Tommy Clark."
Bascom, his head bowed, appeared to nod in agreement with the prosecutor's indictment. He also wiped away tears as Tommy's grandfather and parents, Tom and Evie Lesser, addressed Judge Douglas Thomas. The crash left Bascom with a broken jaw, which was still wired shut Monday, preventing him from making any statements in court.
This is how a decent person responds to what they have done.
How did Nagrani respond?
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they both made a bad decision and now one person os dead and youre making this out to be slme sort of huge social injustice. 2 people made a bad decision. An accident happened. A lady that walked into trafgic illegally got killed. That's it. No huge injustice, no massive wrong to be righted. 2 people screwed up together and an accident occured.
The old woman didn't make a bad decision, people NEED to cross the road all the time. You're the type of sick freak who considers some poor old woman crossing the road as some type of crime equal to negligent homicide. You expect the elderly to walk large distances (for them) to cross roads legally. You are a demented frightening human being indeed. I have an elderly mother who can barely walk, there are times when she has little choice but to cross the road where she can. To think that there are people out there like you who think that the so called crime of crossing the road is somehow equalled out by a woman driving while using her phone and not even watching the road and killing such people is so frightening to me. I can honestly say, just knowing there are people out there like you is frightening.
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I for one don't believe that she dropped her phone. Well, maybe she dropped her phone after she hit the lady.
I personally believe she was talking on her phone and hence why she was distracted.
I don't believe Florida bans the use of talking on your cell phone while driving but it bans texting.
Nicole Nagrani would have gotten manslaughter if it wasn't for her lawyer using the excuse that she dropped her phone.
I hate the fact that there was no accountability on the part of Nagrani...she knows she is guilty hence the reason why she didn't appear in court. Her conscience is her witness.
Life is supposed to be precious. If she had taken her driving seriously, she wouldnt have plowed straight ahead and killed that woman. She would have done everything in her power to avoid killing another human being.
People don't care about life anymore as you see newborn babies are thrown in the trash, kids killing kids in school, ect...
The Bible warned that in the last days people were going to be lovers of themselves, that people would care more about injustice:
2 Timothy 3:2
For people will love only themselves and their money. They will be boastful and proud, scoffing at God, disobedient to their parents, and ungrateful. They will consider nothing sacred.
Nicole didn't care anymore as you can see on her twitter account her posting pics as if nothing happened.
For those saying to move on and that life goes on...If it were a member of your family that she did this to, you would feel the same.
You would feel an injustice was done and it was done.
Lord Jesus, we that believe in you need for you to come back. This world is getting worse....
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Nagrani may be a bona fide "sociopath" with no conscience or empathy.
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This is how a decent person responds to what they have done.
How did Nagrani respond?
Here's Nicole celebrating 9 days after the incident.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=510716.0;attach=545781;image)
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I for one don't believe that she dropped her phone. Well, maybe she dropped her phone after she hit the lady.
I personally believe she was talking on her phone and hence why she was distracted.
I don't believe Florida bans the use of talking on your cell phone while driving but it bans texting.
Nicole Nagrani would have gotten manslaughter if it wasn't for her lawyer using the excuse that she dropped her phone.
I hate the fact that there was no accountability on the part of Nagrani...she knows she is guilty hence the reason why she didn't appear in court. Her conscience is her witness.
Life is supposed to be precious. If she had taken her driving seriously, she wouldnt have plowed straight ahead and killed that woman. She would have done everything in her power to avoid killing another human being.
People don't care about life anymore as you see newborn babies are thrown in the trash, kids killing kids in school, ect...
The Bible warned that in the last days people were going to be lovers of themselves, that people would care more about injustice:
2 Timothy 3:2
For people will love only themselves and their money. They will be boastful and proud, scoffing at God, disobedient to their parents, and ungrateful. They will consider nothing sacred.
Nicole didn't care anymore as you can see on her twitter account her posting pics as if nothing happened.
For those saying to move on and that life goes on...If it were a member of your family that she did this to, you would feel the same.
You would feel an injustice was done and it was done.
Lord Jesus, we that believe in you need for you to come back. This world is getting worse....
I'm a devout atheist, but I identified with your post. Well said.
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I'm a devout atheist, but I identified with your post. Well said.
I cant force you to believe what I believe.
In my years as a Christian, its my experience that it were the atheists who held morals and justice dearly.
It was the Christians who turned the knife inside of me and stabbed me in the back and stole from me, judged me unfairly, ect.
Christians can be such hypocrites....
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I cant force you to believe what I believe.
In my years as a Christian, its my experience that it were the atheists who held morals and justice dearly.
It was the Christians who turned the knife inside of me and stabbed me in the back and stole from me, judged me unfairly, ect.
Christians can be such hypocrites....
I was raised without any religion, although my Mum said she wanted to be a Nun if she didn't marry and would put stepping stones in the Garden with the Lord's prayer and such. She had a religious bent. My dad was a very intelligent man who was an Engineer, a staunch atheist, although he rarely discussed it. I had no religious pressure except for some minor Religious Instruction in Primary School. But I made some friends at school who went to Church and such so when I was about ten years old, I asked my Mum if she would take me to Church so I could see what it was all about. Needless to say I was bored witless but enjoyed meeting other kids there. I can remember thinking these kids will be really well behaved good kids and so would their families, I was shocked to discover a lot of them were terrible sinners (lol), and I realised I was already a far more moral and righteous person than they may ever be. It was my first taste of the 'hypocrisy' that is so often linked with religious people.
My only other experience with the Church growing up was through my best friend who was raised with devoted Christians, his Father beat him and his siblings mercilessly and he was made to attend Church religiously. My friend HATED his Father, constantly pointed out his countless hypocrisies and secretly wanted to kill him. Their family would take me on holidays to a holiday house they had, but only on the condition I attended Church, which I did and just paid no attention to what was being said as it held zero interest for me. Anyway, my friend by the time he was sixteen HATED religion and HATED his Father and tried to kill himself by overdosing on drugs. He failed, but his HATRED didn't die either and he left home shortly thereafter to Never go back again.
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I for one don't believe that she dropped her phone. Well, maybe she dropped her phone after she hit the lady.
I personally believe she was talking on her phone and hence why she was distracted.
I don't believe Florida bans the use of talking on your cell phone while driving but it bans texting.
Nicole Nagrani would have gotten manslaughter if it wasn't for her lawyer using the excuse that she dropped her phone.
I hate the fact that there was no accountability on the part of Nagrani...she knows she is guilty hence the reason why she didn't appear in court. Her conscience is her witness.
Life is supposed to be precious. If she had taken her driving seriously, she wouldnt have plowed straight ahead and killed that woman. She would have done everything in her power to avoid killing another human being.
People don't care about life anymore as you see newborn babies are thrown in the trash, kids killing kids in school, ect...
The Bible warned that in the last days people were going to be lovers of themselves, that people would care more about injustice:
2 Timothy 3:2
For people will love only themselves and their money. They will be boastful and proud, scoffing at God, disobedient to their parents, and ungrateful. They will consider nothing sacred.
Nicole didn't care anymore as you can see on her twitter account her posting pics as if nothing happened.
For those saying to move on and that life goes on...If it were a member of your family that she did this to, you would feel the same.
You would feel an injustice was done and it was done.
Lord Jesus, we that believe in you need for you to come back. This world is getting worse....
THIS is how you make a case for Christianity. I can't argue with any of it. Well played sir. Really.
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One less selfish welfare recipient to take care of. Thanks Nagrani.
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One less selfish welfare recipient to take care of. Thanks Nagrani.
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Nagrani may be a bona fide "sociopath" with no conscience or empathy.
im pretty sure she is both psychopath and sociopath.
i mean, just look at her hobby.
female competitotrs in this kind sport are often throughoutly cukoo
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im pretty sure she is both psychopath and sociopath.
i mean, just look at her hobby.
female competitotrs in this kind sport are often throughoutly cukoo
Cannot be both, not possible. They are both types of anti-social personality disorder, but are fundamentally different.
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I was raised without any religion, although my Mum said she wanted to be a Nun if she didn't marry and would put stepping stones in the Garden with the Lord's prayer and such. She had a religious bent. My dad was a very intelligent man who was an Engineer, a staunch atheist, although he rarely discussed it. I had no religious pressure except for some minor Religious Instruction in Primary School. But I made some friends at school who went to Church and such so when I was about ten years old, I asked my Mum if she would take me to Church so I could see what it was all about. Needless to say I was bored witless but enjoyed meeting other kids there. I can remember thinking these kids will be really well behaved good kids and so would their families, I was shocked to discover a lot of them were terrible sinners (lol), and I realised I was already a far more moral and righteous person than they may ever be. It was my first taste of the 'hypocrisy' that is so often linked with religious people.
My only other experience with the Church growing up was through my best friend who was raised with devoted Christians, his Father beat him and his siblings mercilessly and he was made to attend Church religiously. My friend HATED his Father, constantly pointed out his countless hypocrisies and secretly wanted to kill him. Their family would take me on holidays to a holiday house they had, but only on the condition I attended Church, which I did and just paid no attention to what was being said as it held zero interest for me. Anyway, my friend by the time he was sixteen HATED religion and HATED his Father and tried to kill himself by overdosing on drugs. He failed, but his HATRED didn't die either and he left home shortly thereafter to Never go back again.
where did you learn your morals and values? How did you know what was wrong and right?
I do like your moral convictions and your stance against injustice
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where did you learn your morals and values? How did you know what was wrong and right?
I do like your moral convictions and your stance against injustice
I grew up in a reasonable sized family, two older brothers and two younger sisters. My Mum was a stickler for considering other peoples feelings. She was always going on about it, think about other people and how they might feel. Mind you, she was a Nurse, so caring for others was important to her. So as a kid, my empathy wasn't genuine, it was forced more or less. Today, I actually don't believe in genuine empathy, but I just base my thinking on how would I feel in such a situation, like that old woman crossing the street, and then make my assessment based from that.
I know that religion likes to claim that without it we would all be devoid of empathy and morality, but I happen to agree with Dawkins, in that human beings are innately moral, simply because it is what works best for the Individual, treat others like shit, and you will probably be treated like shit in return, not a very good survival strategy. Treat others well, and you increase your chances of others treating you favorably, a better survival strategy. Plus, a co-operative group can achieve more than an individual, but that also creates problems when groups with differing ideologies come in contact (that's a whole other thread)
In some ways I think religious teachings on morality can be damaging, for instance the 4th commandment 'honor thy mother and father' and the bibles sanctioning of hitting children. I think this type of rigid morality has a lot to answer for, it has created countless dysfunctional families, adults and societies. When you allow parents carte blanche to treat children in such a way, without any accountability, then you are heading for trouble. Should a child honor parents who beat them, or rape them, or neglect them etc etc.. I don't think so.
I would argue a lot of modern societies deep rooted sickness is because of horrible child rearing practises, the reality of the damage parents do to their children is hidden from almost everyone. And a lot of this is because of long held Religious ideas on child rearing. You only have to look at the Nazis, almost all of them were raised in really strict and punitive environments, and often by strict religious parents. There was a famous book written in Germany about child rearing, and the basic concept was to break the childs will before they were even aware they were alive essentially, and beat them down until they obeyed orders without even thinking. This created a generation of shut down citizens desperate to obey orders. I could go on all day about it, and the issue upsets a lot of people, as the majority reserve the right to hit children. But it's not just hitting, there are countless ways to neglect a child's needs, and it happens everywhere all the time. Anyway, that's my take on why the world is so miserable, human beings need to seriously look at their child rearing practices.
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Anyway. It's a hell of a thing.
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The old woman didn't make a bad decision, people NEED to cross the road all the time. You're the type of sick freak who considers some poor old woman crossing the road as some type of crime equal to negligent homicide. You expect the elderly to walk large distances (for them) to cross roads legally. You are a demented frightening human being indeed. I have an elderly mother who can barely walk, there are times when she has little choice but to cross the road where she can. To think that there are people out there like you who think that the so called crime of crossing the road is somehow equalled out by a woman driving while using her phone and not even watching the road and killing such people is so frightening to me. I can honestly say, just knowing there are people out there like you is frightening.
so the laws of traffic you cherish and freak out when broken matter in the case of Nagrani, but not in the case of the old lady. Got it.
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so the laws of traffic you cherish and freak out when broken matter in the case of Nagrani, but not in the case of the old lady. Got it.
I'm glad you finally get it, old ladies crossing the road doesn't kill people, driving while using your mobile phone does. If someone asked me what you feared more, an old women crossing the road or some narcissistic bimbo driving daddys porsche while she has her head half way between the dashboard and the floor of the car, well, I guess you know my answer to that.
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so the laws of traffic you cherish and freak out when broken matter in the case of Nagrani, but not in the case of the old lady. Got it.
stupid statement.
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stupid statement.
not really, if I stepped out into oncoming traffic with no crosswalk and against the light, and someone wasnt paying attention and hit me, guess what.... my fault.
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im pretty sure she is both psychopath and sociopath.
i mean, just look at her hobby.
female competitotrs in this kind sport are often throughoutly cukoo
yeah but we would all smash that bitch on a saturday night :)
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What if the old woman was crossing the street to go kill a bunch of people? Maybe Nagrani is actually a hero who saved lives? Probably not ::)
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I grew up in a reasonable sized family, two older brothers and two younger sisters. My Mum was a stickler for considering other peoples feelings. She was always going on about it, think about other people and how they might feel. Mind you, she was a Nurse, so caring for others was important to her. So as a kid, my empathy wasn't genuine, it was forced more or less. Today, I actually don't believe in genuine empathy, but I just base my thinking on how would I feel in such a situation, like that old woman crossing the street, and then make my assessment based from that.
I know that religion likes to claim that without it we would all be devoid of empathy and morality, but I happen to agree with Dawkins, in that human beings are innately moral, simply because it is what works best for the Individual, treat others like shit, and you will probably be treated like shit in return, not a very good survival strategy. Treat others well, and you increase your chances of others treating you favorably, a better survival strategy. Plus, a co-operative group can achieve more than an individual, but that also creates problems when groups with differing ideologies come in contact (that's a whole other thread)
In some ways I think religious teachings on morality can be damaging, for instance the 4th commandment 'honor thy mother and father' and the bibles sanctioning of hitting children. I think this type of rigid morality has a lot to answer for, it has created countless dysfunctional families, adults and societies. When you allow parents carte blanche to treat children in such a way, without any accountability, then you are heading for trouble. Should a child honor parents who beat them, or rape them, or neglect them etc etc.. I don't think so.
I would argue a lot of modern societies deep rooted sickness is because of horrible child rearing practises, the reality of the damage parents do to their children is hidden from almost everyone. And a lot of this is because of long held Religious ideas on child rearing. You only have to look at the Nazis, almost all of them were raised in really strict and punitive environments, and often by strict religious parents. There was a famous book written in Germany about child rearing, and the basic concept was to break the childs will before they were even aware they were alive essentially, and beat them down until they obeyed orders without even thinking. This created a generation of shut down citizens desperate to obey orders. I could go on all day about it, and the issue upsets a lot of people, as the majority reserve the right to hit children. But it's not just hitting, there are countless ways to neglect a child's needs, and it happens everywhere all the time. Anyway, that's my take on why the world is so miserable, human beings need to seriously look at their child rearing practices.
I do not believe that humans are inately good. I believe we are corrupt. People lie cheat steal and kill to get what they want. Hence the reasons laws had to be created. Good examples are children who are inately cruel and selfish when they get to a certain age. If a child isnt steered in the right direction, they could lead a corrupt life.
The Bible does talk about discipline.....spare the rod and spoil the child. Although I dont agree with beatings, sometimes you have to discipline your child this way (not in severe beatings). Why do parents do this? Because we love our children and want them to go in the right path and ensure they wont do things to harm themselves
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What exactly was she "celebrating" nine days after the accident. What are those pictures supposed to show?
She can't stop living her life, nor should she. Should she wallow up in tears for the next 25 years?
It's not black and white.
Has justice been served? It doesn't seem like it unfortunately. That's the US justice system for you.
I forget which supplement company Nicole has a contract with but for all you die hard "haters" ::) of hers now, I suggest you write them a "strongly worded" email telling them how you feel and explain to them why you will never buy their supplements!! ::)
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What exactly was she "celebrating" nine days after the accident. What are those pictures supposed to show?
She can't stop living her life, nor should she. Should she wallow up in tears for the next 25 years?
It's not black and white.
Has justice been served? It doesn't seem like it unfortunately. That's the US justice system for you.
I forget which supplement company Nicole has a contract with but for all you die hard "haters" ::) of hers now, I suggest you write them a "strongly worded" email telling them how you feel and explain to them why you will never buy their supplements!! ::)
I would still make sweet sweet love to bikinislut even if she killed a truckload of old women crossing streets. :-*
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I would still make sweet sweet love to bikinislut even if she killed a truckload of old women crossing streets. :-*
Hahahaha @ "truckload of old women crossing streets"
Good to know Dago. :)
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yeah but we would all smash that bitch on a saturday night :)
ah yes anytime,anytime.
theres no question thats a wolrd class body she has.
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not really, if I stepped out into oncoming traffic with no crosswalk and against the light, and someone wasnt paying attention and hit me, guess what.... my fault.
Someone crossing the road presents little to no risk of killing another person. Someone driving while not paying attention produces far greater risk to innocent people than what the person crossing the road does.
And that's also not what happened, the elderly women was obviously trying to take care crossing the road, while she was legally crossing at an unmarked crosswalk which drivers are legally obliged to give way too.[3]
Port Orange police said Nagrani was charged with failing to yield to a pedestrian in an unmarked crosswalk with death.[1]
The accident was captured by a security camera video from the Primary Care Center of Port Orange where Daniluk had just had some blood work done. The video shows a figure identified as Daniluk walking from a strip center to Ridgewood Avenue and then taking her time as she waits for a clearing in the traffic. It's about 9 a.m. and the day is clear and bright.
A pickup and a large SUV pass by. The section of southbound Ridgewood Avenue on the video appears clear. Daniluk begins to cross and then stops. The two southbound lanes are clear based on the section of the road appearing in the video. Then she begins to walk across Ridgewood Avenue. The time on the video shows the last seconds of her life tick away. One. Two. Three. Four. Five. Six. Nagrani's black SUV enters the video frame in the inside lane. Seven. Eight. Daniluk has nearly reached the median when the SUV hits her.[2]
[1]http://www.wftv.com/news/news/local/traffic-hearing-woman-accused-running-down-elderly/nbhNy/ (http://www.wftv.com/news/news/local/traffic-hearing-woman-accused-running-down-elderly/nbhNy/)
[2]http://www.news-journalonline.com/article/20130930/news/130939961?template=printpicart (http://www.news-journalonline.com/article/20130930/news/130939961?template=printpicart)
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Hahahaha @ "truckload of old women crossing streets"
Good to know Dago. :)
BikiniSlut has been laying down some good pipe lately.
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I do not believe that humans are inately good. I believe we are corrupt. People lie cheat steal and kill to get what they want. Hence the reasons laws had to be created. Good examples are children who are inately cruel and selfish when they get to a certain age. If a child isnt steered in the right direction, they could lead a corrupt life.
The Bible does talk about discipline.....spare the rod and spoil the child. Although I dont agree with beatings, sometimes you have to discipline your child this way (not in severe beatings). Why do parents do this? Because we love our children and want them to go in the right path and ensure they wont do things to harm themselves
That's where you and I part ways I am afraid, and of course you believe we are born wicked, that's another of Religions perverse pedagogues. That we are created sick and commanded to be well.
And if you examine the lives of even children who do horrible deeds, their are almost always abuse histories behind them. Like I said, the bibles endorsement of dysfunctional child rearing practices creates dysfunctional people that then creates dysfunctional societies. Abusing children under the guise of discipline is cruel, and often leads to them harming themselves and others. Their is zero evidence of treating children with respect leads to future dysfunctional behaviour, yet their is tons of evidence highlighting the dysfunction that child abuse leads too. If you study the Nazi leaders, many of them were raised by religious people with the exact same attitude you display. They believed they were raising their children in a loving way, and steering them in the right direction. In a sick world do you really think it is a good idea to raise children to conform? Unquestioning Obedience is only worthwhile if those you are being obedient too are compassionate. Blind Obedience to degenerates and tyrants is evil, and yet this is what most parents raise, unwell adults that fit into an unwell society to conform to a perverse system.
Their was a recent story about a devout religious couple who adopted children and raised them according to the Christian parenting book 'To Train Up a Child.' Well, they neglected that poor child to death, the 13-year-old died of hypothermia brought on by severe malnutrition in the families back yard. And the religious justification of such child rearing methods is why I find such beliefs appalling, because hitting and neglecting children has the paradoxical effect of creating adult child abusers. The irony is it works in such a way that the abolition of the poor treatment of children is near impossible because the adults who were once those abused children grow up to endorse such behaviour. There's a lot of research behind this, and the repression and denial that saved the child acts as a roadblock to the adult. If the child was shut down and unable to express themselves effectively and no criticism of the parent was tolerated they grow up to be shut off from their true feelings, they essentially have a fake persona. The majority of people NEVER confront their true feelings about childhood abuses and humiliation and because of this go on to repeat the cycle.
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Even with its jokes, GetBig can be more serious than most "official" websites.
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it's always the wrong women who get hit by car :(
never mine
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Former First Lady Laura Bush killed someone drunk driving. It happened a long time ago and nobody cared or mentioned it when her husband was president.
So Nicole knows since eventually nobody will care, she quickly moved past the grieving process an got back to important things. You know, like going to the gym and taking selfies. :)
(http://media.npr.org/assets/news/2010/05/06/laurabush1-7a23ffb41113d8acd2a582866abbc62655b71984-s3-c85.jpg)
(http://thechive.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/fitness-model-4.jpg?w=500)
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/images/2013/nicole-nagrani-6f.jpg)
You can tell she doesn't squat because that form is awful
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Bollocks. How do you define drink driving. In the case of exceeding the blood alcohol limit you can be penalized without harming anybody and with zero criminal intent, same goes with most traffic laws, speeding, running a red light. These law are based on actuarial risk. Drink driving, speeding, running a red light increases actuarial risk for innocent people, as does using a mobile phone while driving. Using your mobile phone whilst driving is a criminal act. This case should be judged a negligent homicide, any reasonable person would asses that dropping your mobile phone whilst driving and then reaching for it and not being aware of your surroundings while driving increases actuarial risk to innocent parties. Therefore a negligent act.
Per usual you are wrong again. With drunk driving intent is implied. It is implied because of the impairment before you get behind the wheel.
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Most traffic laws don't require any intent whatsoever because breaking a traffic law is NOT a crime it is a civil infraction. Since you don't know the law you should stop attaching so much moral high ground to it.
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Per usual you are wrong again. With drunk driving intent is implied. It is implied because of the impairment before you get behind the wheel.
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Most traffic laws don't require any intent whatsoever because breaking a traffic law is NOT a crime it is a civil infraction. Since you don't know the law you should stop attaching so much moral high ground to it.
There is no criminal intent (ie: intent to maliciously harm another) linked to drunk driving, that's absurd!). If intent can be applied to drunk driving well than it can also be applied to reckless driving (using a mobile phone whilst operating a vehicle). You would make an excellent lawyer, your full of shit and you're an arsehole who loves to defend the indefensible.
A traffic crime is a violation of a statute, ordinance or rule relating to traffic movement and control (including equipment, miscellaneous and parking offenses) for which the defendant can be sentenced to a possible prison term. Examples include driving without a license, driving under the influence of an intoxicant, driving without motor vehicle insurance (except for the first offense) and reckless driving.
Some traffic violations are civil infractions. A civil traffic infraction is a violation of a statute, ordinance or rule relating to traffic movement and control (including parking, standing, equipment, miscellaneous and pedestrian offenses) for which the penalties do not include imprisonment. Examples include speeding, running a stop sign, driving without a seat belt, having an expired safety check sticker and parking where prohibited.
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Someone crossing the road presents little to no risk of killing another person. Someone driving while not paying attention produces far greater risk to innocent people than what the person crossing the road does.
And that's also not what happened, the elderly women was obviously trying to take care crossing the road, while she was legally crossing at an unmarked crosswalk which drivers are legally obliged to give way too.[3]
Port Orange police said Nagrani was charged with failing to yield to a pedestrian in an unmarked crosswalk with death.[1]
The accident was captured by a security camera video from the Primary Care Center of Port Orange where Daniluk had just had some blood work done. The video shows a figure identified as Daniluk walking from a strip center to Ridgewood Avenue and then taking her time as she waits for a clearing in the traffic. It's about 9 a.m. and the day is clear and bright.
A pickup and a large SUV pass by. The section of southbound Ridgewood Avenue on the video appears clear. Daniluk begins to cross and then stops. The two southbound lanes are clear based on the section of the road appearing in the video. Then she begins to walk across Ridgewood Avenue. The time on the video shows the last seconds of her life tick away. One. Two. Three. Four. Five. Six. Nagrani's black SUV enters the video frame in the inside lane. Seven. Eight. Daniluk has nearly reached the median when the SUV hits her.[2]
[1]http://www.wftv.com/news/news/local/traffic-hearing-woman-accused-running-down-elderly/nbhNy/ (http://www.wftv.com/news/news/local/traffic-hearing-woman-accused-running-down-elderly/nbhNy/)
[2]http://www.news-journalonline.com/article/20130930/news/130939961?template=printpicart (http://www.news-journalonline.com/article/20130930/news/130939961?template=printpicart)
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The womens family needs to hire this lawyer and lay charges on this little clueless bimbo..she should at least have her license suspended for 5 years and do some community work hours..
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The womens family needs to hire this lawyer and lay charges on this little clueless bimbo..she should at least have her license suspended for 5 years and do some community work hours..
ffs, you bunch of lunatics, she is not a fucken criminal
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ffs, you bunch of lunatics, she is not a fucken criminal
I never said she was a criminal-get your head out of her ass-she killed a women because she was driving and wasn't paying attention to the road-and was supposed to merge for the women..she should atleast loose her license to drive......
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I never said she was a criminal-get your head out of her ass-she killed a women because she was driving and wasn't paying attention to the road-and was supposed to merge for the women..she should atleast loose her license to drive...
my head is not in her ass dummy, you did say she was a criminal, by saying she needs to be charged. You do realize by definition getting charged makes someone a criminal, are you always this stupid.
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my head is not in her ass dummy, you did say she was a criminal, by saying she needs to be charged. You do realize by definition getting charged makes someone a criminal, are you always this stupid.
lol
whatever-if you feel that her punishment was enough then that's your opinion and your the dummy..lol......and if it was one of my family members I would hire a lawyer after all she got was a 166$ fine..like I said she should have at least lost her license to drive for a few years.....iam not gonna get into a stupid debate over it with you if its criminal or not... iam not a lawyer dip shit.... ::)
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lol
whatever-if you feel that her punishment was enough then that's your opinion.. I don't..and if it was one of my family members I would hire a lawyer after all she got was a 166$ fine..like I said she should have at least lost her license to drive for a few years.....iam not gonna get into a stupid debate over it with you.. ::)[/u]
well you already did, ::)
I already told you her punishment was light, she should have her license suspended and get a heavy fine. You keep insisting to charge her? why? SHE IS NOT A CRIMINAL. get over it.
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well you already did, ::)
I already told you her punishment was light, she should have her license suspended and get a heavy fine. You keep insisting to charge her? why? SHE IS NOT A CRIMINAL. get over it.
okay yes I do agree she is not a criminal I get it.and I never new you said her punishment was to light- I stand corrected...and Iam not up on how all the laws work..i also just feel her punishment was way to light...
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well you already did, ::)
I already told you her punishment was light, she should have her license suspended and get a heavy fine. You keep insisting to charge her? why? SHE IS NOT A CRIMINAL. get over it.
In your opinion.
Many others here will disagree with you.
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In your opinion.
Many others here will disagree with you.
so everyone who touches a phone when driving is a criminal?
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okay yes I do agree she is not a criminal I get it.and I never new you said her punishment was to light- I stand corrected...and Iam not up on how all the laws work..i also just feel her punishment was way to light...
way to light, if your driving results in death by an accident on your behalf, you are not fit to drive. So she should lose her license for a very long time and a huge fine.
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so everyone who touches a phone when driving is a criminal?
I don't know. Why are you asking me?
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my head is not in her ass dummy, you did say she was a criminal, by saying she needs to be charged. You do realize by definition getting charged makes someone a criminal, are you always this stupid.
but if you are for example speeding isnt it called that you get charget for spreedingt? Speeding doesnt make anyone a criminal... my english is almost in dave chezs level so i could be wrong but otherwise he did not call her a criminal by saying she need to be charged for trafic violation and loose her licence...correct me if im wrong :D
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What difference would it make if the woman killed was 17 instead of 78?
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What difference would it make if the woman killed was 17 instead of 78?
What if it had been a 5 year old chasing a ball?
She would be in jail if that was the case. Almost guaranteed.
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What if it had been a 5 year old chasing a ball?
She would be in jail if that was the case. Almost guaranteed.
hmmmm ..... a human life is a human life (imo) penalty should be the same (regardless of age)
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My question here is.... was the granny crossing a marked crosswalk?. was it against or with the light? Did she just step into traffic or was it a clear, visible, red light for oncoming traffic, green hand situation?
If she was crossing on a marked crosswalk with the light, then absolutley the woman should be punished.
If the granny walked out into a street AGAINST the light and into traffic... then I think even though her punishment is very light, she probably shouldnt face any charges. Ive hear so many variations now that its hard to tell. But unlike so many others screaming for her head because someones died, people need to step back and actually look at the facts. rather.
To many people just emotionally screaming for vengeance for no reason.... which is exactly why people are such sheep and so easily manipulated. So little critical thinking. Unless youre ekul, who can literally twist anything around to suit his pre-determined outcome of the situation.
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My question here is.... was the granny crossing a marked crosswalk?. was it against or with the light? Did she just step into traffic or was it a clear, visible, red light for oncoming traffic, green hand situation?
If she was crossing on a marked crosswalk with the light, then absolutley the woman should be punished.
If the granny walked out into a street AGAINST the light and into traffic... then I think even though her punishment is very light, she probably shouldnt face any charges. Ive hear so many variations now that its hard to tell. But unlike so many others screaming for her head because someones died, people need to step back and actually look at the facts. rather.
To many people just emotionally screaming for vengeance for no reason.... which is exactly why people are such sheep and so easily manipulated. So little critical thinking. Unless youre ekul, who can literally twist anything around to suit his pre-determined outcome of the situation.
No, crosswalk in the film but it was an intersection. No traffic lights or pedestrian signal. Tragic no matter how you slice it. I'm not aware of the laws in that area.
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One of the charges was failing to yield to a pedestrian at an unmarked crosswalk, so the crosser was right in that regard.
The only question that reminds unanswered is if she crossed on a light and just got stuck, or if she deliberately felt she was safe and crossed against the light.
There was another large article on this case here - http://www.news-journalonline.com/article/20130930/NEWS/130939961?p=3&tc=pg .
This is the part that is most germane -
"The accident was captured by a security camera video from the Primary Care Center of Port Orange where Daniluk had just had some blood work done. The video shows a figure identified as Daniluk walking from a strip center to Ridgewood Avenue and then taking her time as she waits for a clearing in the traffic. It's about 9 a.m. and the day is clear and bright.
A pickup and a large SUV pass by. The section of southbound Ridgewood Avenue on the video appears clear. Daniluk begins to cross and then stops. The two southbound lanes are clear based on the section of the road appearing in the video. Then she begins to walk across Ridgewood Avenue. The time on the video shows the last seconds of her life tick away. One. Two. Three. Four. Five. Six. Nagrani's black SUV enters the video frame in the inside lane. Seven. Eight. Daniluk has nearly reached the median when the SUV hits her. Nagrani pulls her Porsche Cayenne to the outside lane and stops.
Daniluk's injuries were “consistent” with the SUV traveling about 30 mph in the 45 mph zone, the report said. There were no skid marks and no indications that Nagrani tried to take evasive action.
Nagrani, who on her Facebook page says she aspires to be a physician, told police she was on her way from her home in Daytona Beach to shadow a doctor in New Smyrna Beach. ".
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I think the bottom line here is she killed a person because she wasn't paying attention to her driving-as far as I understand the women had the right away and Nicole should have merged for her. Nicole should have been punished a lot more then she was and got off way to easy..she should not be driving for many years and her licence should have been suspended after what she has done and a hefty fine......
166 $ really thats totally fucked up and makes zero sence to me...and then she is contesting an increase in her fine to a measly 1000$-she is a complete idiot seems to have zero remorse or shame for what she did..and ya then there is the question of... what if it wasn't a older women-say a mother and her child-then would the out come have changed-.
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I think the bottom line here is she killed a person because she wasn't paying attention to her driving-as far as I understand the women had the right away and Nicole should have merged for her. Nicole should have been punished a lot more then she was and got off way to easy..she should not be driving for many years and her licence should have been suspended after what she has done and a hefty fine......
166 $ really thats totally fucked up and makes zero sence to me...and then she is contesting an increase in her fine to a measly 1000$-she is a complete idiot seems to have zero remorse or shame for what she did..
I'm in agreement with this.
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Nicole must be the first Olympia winner that has killed someone. Yeah, there's been few murders committed by Olympia competitors such as Titus but I think Nicole's the first winner.
Here's Nicole celebrating 9 days after the incident.
this bitch needs to be taught a lesson, unfortunatley i bet if she got harassed she would kill her self. she just needs to show some dignity
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I think the bottom line here is she killed a person because she wasn't paying attention to her driving-as far as I understand the women had the right away and Nicole should have merged for her. Nicole should have been punished a lot more then she was and got off way to easy..she should not be driving for many years and her licence should have been suspended after what she has done and a hefty fine......
166 $ really thats totally fucked up and makes zero sence to me...and then she is contesting an increase in her fine to a measly 1000$-she is a complete idiot seems to have zero remorse or shame for what she did..and ya then there is the question of... what if it wasn't a older women-say a mother and her child-then would the out come have changed-.
now this I agree with, good post
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I think I understand what you're trying to say; namely, that if the authorities felt Ms. Nagrani had committed a crime, she would have been charged with a crime. Subsequently, because she has not been charged with a crime, she is not a criminal (by letter of the law). You're right, of course. However, one is not deemed a criminal merely because one has been charged with a crime (as your definition puts it); rather, mutatis mutandis, one is deemed a criminal after, and only after, one has been convicted of a crime.
good point
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but if you are for example speeding isnt it called that you get charget for spreedingt? Speeding doesnt make anyone a criminal... my english is almost in dave chezs level so i could be wrong but otherwise he did not call her a criminal by saying she need to be charged for trafic violation and loose her licence...correct me if im wrong :D
I guess it varies in terminology where people live, in my neck of the woods we do not call traffic violations ''charges''
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I think the bottom line here is she killed a person because she wasn't paying attention to her driving-as far as I understand the women had the right away and Nicole should have merged for her. Nicole should have been punished a lot more then she was and got off way to easy..she should not be driving for many years and her licence should have been suspended after what she has done and a hefty fine......
166 $ really thats totally fucked up and makes zero sence to me...and then she is contesting an increase in her fine to a measly 1000$-she is a complete idiot seems to have zero remorse or shame for what she did..and ya then there is the question of... what if it wasn't a older women-say a mother and her child-then would the out come have changed-.
Why is it that the people that think that Nicole Nagrani committed no crime not understand this concept that you stated?
Its plain as day!
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There is no criminal intent (ie: intent to maliciously harm another) linked to drunk driving, that's absurd!). If intent can be applied to drunk driving well than it can also be applied to reckless driving (using a mobile phone whilst operating a vehicle). You would make an excellent lawyer, your full of shit and you're an arsehole who loves to defend the indefensible.
A traffic crime is a violation of a statute, ordinance or rule relating to traffic movement and control (including equipment, miscellaneous and parking offenses) for which the defendant can be sentenced to a possible prison term. Examples include driving without a license, driving under the influence of an intoxicant, driving without motor vehicle insurance (except for the first offense) and reckless driving.
Some traffic violations are civil infractions. A civil traffic infraction is a violation of a statute, ordinance or rule relating to traffic movement and control (including parking, standing, equipment, miscellaneous and pedestrian offenses) for which the penalties do not include imprisonment. Examples include speeding, running a stop sign, driving without a seat belt, having an expired safety check sticker and parking where prohibited.
Yes. Intent is implied (look it up) It is not absurd just because it is not consistent with your opinion.
Wow what a hypocrite. You fail to see how this applies to you too? You are odd in that you have such conviction over this matter. But your conviction is proportional to what you interpret the law to be. Your convictions are conditional. By your rationale if this accident happened in 99 or 2000, before laws regarding cell phones went into effect, then Nagrani would be innocent of any wrongdoing. But since j walking was on the books at that point, granny would be deserving of death?
Hate to break it to you but driving and talking on cell phone or texting is merely an ordinance violation, a civil infraction. Its not a crime.
Well you have me wrong, if youknew anything about me (what I've spent the last 20 years of my life doing) you would know that likening me to a defense attorney is what's absurd here.
So you want to throw this bimbo in prison over an accident? You do realise that people already convicted of murders and robberies and rapes are being released from prison everyday due to over crowding and so called rehabilitation efforts?
You see the world very black and white, never even stop for a second to THINK about another point of view and argue till you're blue in the face........How is that working out for you?
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so everyone who touches a phone when driving is a criminal?
If they kill someone while doing it. YES. Reckless driving is a CRIME! And this woman is a criminal !!!
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My question here is.... was the granny crossing a marked crosswalk?. was it against or with the light? Did she just step into traffic or was it a clear, visible, red light for oncoming traffic, green hand situation?
If she was crossing on a marked crosswalk with the light, then absolutley the woman should be punished.
If the granny walked out into a street AGAINST the light and into traffic... then I think even though her punishment is very light, she probably shouldnt face any charges. Ive hear so many variations now that its hard to tell. But unlike so many others screaming for her head because someones died, people need to step back and actually look at the facts. rather.
To many people just emotionally screaming for vengeance for no reason.... which is exactly why people are such sheep and so easily manipulated. So little critical thinking. Unless youre ekul, who can literally twist anything around to suit his pre-determined outcome of the situation.
Your asking questions you already know the answer too. Oh Brother! The old woman was crossing legally and the young woman was driving recklessly.
The elderly women was obviously trying to take care crossing the road, while she was legally crossing at an unmarked crosswalk which drivers are legally obliged to give way too.[3]
Port Orange police said Nagrani was charged with failing to yield to a pedestrian in an unmarked crosswalk with death.[1]
The accident was captured by a security camera video from the Primary Care Center of Port Orange where Daniluk had just had some blood work done. The video shows a figure identified as Daniluk walking from a strip center to Ridgewood Avenue and then taking her time as she waits for a clearing in the traffic. It's about 9 a.m. and the day is clear and bright.
A pickup and a large SUV pass by. The section of southbound Ridgewood Avenue on the video appears clear. Daniluk begins to cross and then stops. The two southbound lanes are clear based on the section of the road appearing in the video. Then she begins to walk across Ridgewood Avenue. The time on the video shows the last seconds of her life tick away. One. Two. Three. Four. Five. Six. Nagrani's black SUV enters the video frame in the inside lane. Seven. Eight. Daniluk has nearly reached the median when the SUV hits her.[2]
[1]http://www.wftv.com/news/news/local/traffic-hearing-woman-accused-running-down-elderly/nbhNy/ (http://www.wftv.com/news/news/local/traffic-hearing-woman-accused-running-down-elderly/nbhNy/)
[2]http://www.news-journalonline.com/article/20130930/news/130939961?template=printpicart (http://www.news-journalonline.com/article/20130930/news/130939961?template=printpicart)
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If they kill someone while doing it. YES. Reckless driving is a CRIME! And this woman is a criminal !!!
Well since the police didn't charge her and the prosecutor didn't charge her (I guess you know better than they do), have fun with your fuckin crusade you goddamned blowhard.
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Yes. Intent is implied (look it up) It is not absurd just because it is not consistent with your opinion.
Wow what a hypocrite. You fail to see how this applies to you too? You are odd in that you have such conviction over this matter. But your conviction is proportional to what you interpret the law to be. Your convictions are conditional. By your rationale if this accident happened in 99 or 2000, before laws regarding cell phones went into effect, then Nagrani would be innocent of any wrongdoing. But since j walking was on the books at that point, granny would be deserving of death?
Hate to break it to you but driving and talking on cell phone or texting is merely an ordinance violation, a civil infraction. Its not a crime.
Well you have me wrong, if youknew anything about me (what I've spent the last 20 years of my life doing) you would know that likening me to a defense attorney is what's absurd here.
So you want to throw this bimbo in prison over an accident? You do realise that people already convicted of murders and robberies and rapes are being released from prison everyday due to over crowding and so called rehabilitation efforts?
You see the world very black and white, never even stop for a second to THINK about another point of view and argue till you're blue in the face........How is that working out for you?
One) Granny was crossing legally at an unmarked crosswalk 2) People get thrown in jail all the time for accidents, all the time. The majority of prisoners are in jail for drug related offences. I would say smoking weed is far less of a reason to throw someone in jail than accidentally killing someone during a careless and reckless act. 3) Talking on the phone may be a civil offense, but if you mow someone down and kill them while doing it, it then becomes a criminal act (reckless driving).
And what point of view should I be looking at it from, spolied rich daddy's girl. I have looked at it from her point of view, and she was reckless. PERIOD. I can't identify with spoiled rich girl because I value my own and other peoples lives and I take driving very seriously and don't use a mobile while driving EVER !!! So even hypothetically, lets say it was me in her position, I would absolutely accept responsibility, be deeply remorseful and apologize profusely to the family of the victim and expect to be punished. I certainly wouldn't be pretending like nothing happened, not showing in court and posting self indulgent, gratuitous selfies on social media. I would be using my story as a warning to others and publicly condemning my actions.
I keep coming back to the story I posted earlier of a man who killed two people while texting, when the prosecution said the following "The only person that could have prevented this from happening is the defendant," Drechsel said. "He is 100 percent to blame for the death of Tommy Clark."
Bascom, his head bowed, appeared to nod in agreement with the prosecutor's indictment. He also wiped away tears as Tommy's grandfather and parents, Tom and Evie Lesser, addressed Judge Douglas Thomas. The crash left Bascom with a broken jaw, which was still wired shut Monday, preventing him from making any statements in court.
Now there's a MAN, he made a mistake and he owned it, he didn't blame the victims, he showed genuine remorse and didn't balk at his punishment. He himself was seriously injured in the incident. Compare that to spoiled narcissistic bitch whose lawyer essentially blamed the victim, she didn't even have the common decency to show up in court and was back taking selfies as if nothing ever happened a few days later. ANyone who can defend such a shallow individual is probably pretty sick themselves.
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Well since the police didn't charge her and the prosecutor didn't charge her (I guess you know better than they do), have fun with your fuckin crusade you goddamned blowhard.
Oh, that's right, the LAW is just and fair ::) And the greater issue is, until Nicole accepts some type of responsibility, seeks redemption and is genuinely sorry for her actions, she will remain stunted and her deed will haunt her for the rest of her life. A decent human being would at the very least beg the victims family for forgiveness, this spoiled CUN+ didn't have the decency to front up to Court.
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Oh, that's right, the LAW is just and fair ::) And the greater issue is, until Nicole accepts some type of responsibility, seeks redemption and is genuinely sorry for her actions, she will remain stunted and her deed will haunt her for the rest of her life. A decent human being would at the very least beg the victims family for forgiveness, this spoiled CUN+ didn't have the decency to front up to Court.
E-Kul, I've sent boys younger than you to the gas chamber. I didn't 'want' to do it.....I felt I owed it to them.
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this bitch needs to be taught a lesson, unfortunatley i bet if she got harassed she would kill her self. she just needs to show some dignity
I hope the dumb cun+ reads this thread and realises not everyone looks at her the way besotted DADDY does and rightly condemns her reckless act costing an innocent woman's life.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=510716.0;attach=545921;image)
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Oh, that's right, the LAW is just and fair ::) And the greater issue is, until Nicole accepts some type of responsibility, seeks redemption and is genuinely sorry for her actions, she will remain stunted and her deed will haunt her for the rest of her life. A decent human being would at the very least beg the victims family for forgiveness, this spoiled CUN+ didn't have the decency to front up to Court.
She didn't intend to hit this woman and kill her...it was an accident. However I agree, she should have done the decent thing by showing up in court and saying sorry to the family. This is shocking to think that she didn't go to court and say sorry.
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She didn't intend to hit this woman and kill her...it was an accident. However I agree, she should have done the decent thing by showing up in court and saying sorry to the family. This is shocking to think that she didn't go to court and say sorry.
I cant stand her.
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She didn't intend to hit this woman and kill her...it was an accident. However I agree, she should have done the decent thing by showing up in court and saying sorry to the family. This is shocking to think that she didn't go to court and say sorry.
Human decency aside...Even though she escaped criminal charges, the family will most definatley file a lawsuit in the matter and probably already have. Anything She would say in court would be admissible in the civil trial, where there is a lesser burden of proof and more relaxed rules of evidence. Even if she said "Im sorry for your loss" it would be used against her later in a civil trial.
Now Implaying devils advocate here, BUT, she was probably advised by her lawyers not to go to court. With a pending civil suit, probably for hundreds of thousands of dollars if not millions, I would be very carefull of what I say, knowing that it will be brought up later in the lawsuit.
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Human decency aside...Even though she escaped criminal charges, the family will most definatley file a lawsuit in the matter and probably already have. Anything She would say in court would be admissible in the civil trial, where there is a lesser burden of proof and more relaxed rules of evidence. Even if she said "Im sorry for your loss" it would be used against her later in a civil trial.
Now Implaying devils advocate here, BUT, she was probably advised by her lawyers not to go to court. With a pending civil suit, probably for hundreds of thousands of dollars if not millions, I would be very carefull of what I say, knowing that it will be brought up later in the lawsuit.
Interesting. Yeah I didn't think about the lawsuit.
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If they kill someone while doing it. YES. Reckless driving is a CRIME! And this woman is a criminal !!!
Exactly. Taking someone's life in a reckless manner is a crime.
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Human decency aside...Even though she escaped criminal charges, the family will most definatley file a lawsuit in the matter and probably already have. Anything She would say in court would be admissible in the civil trial, where there is a lesser burden of proof and more relaxed rules of evidence. Even if she said "Im sorry for your loss" it would be used against her later in a civil trial.
Now Implaying devils advocate here, BUT, she was probably advised by her lawyers not to go to court. With a pending civil suit, probably for hundreds of thousands of dollars if not millions, I would be very carefull of what I say, knowing that it will be brought up later in the lawsuit.
And even if that was her thinking, it shows a disgusting character, when one has done the wrong thing, they don't worry about analysing how their comments will be perceived legally, they do the right thing and seek forgiveness and show remorse because it is what people of character do, they do it for their own conscience, so they can live with themselves.
Besides, the matter is already settled. The Porsche Nagrani was driving was her Fathers (Dr. Mark Nagrani). His insurance company settled with Daniluk's family for $255,000
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The Daniluk family CHOSE to settle for 255,000.
Therefore they have no recourse now.
It's over....nothing else will occur.
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Like someone said, if it was a five year old... jail.
Don't confuse the formal written law with the practice and reality.
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That's where you and I part ways I am afraid, and of course you believe we are born wicked, that's another of Religions perverse pedagogues. That we are created sick and commanded to be well.
And if you examine the lives of even children who do horrible deeds, their are almost always abuse histories behind them. Like I said, the bibles endorsement of dysfunctional child rearing practices creates dysfunctional people that then creates dysfunctional societies. Abusing children under the guise of discipline is cruel, and often leads to them harming themselves and others. Their is zero evidence of treating children with respect leads to future dysfunctional behaviour, yet their is tons of evidence highlighting the dysfunction that child abuse leads too. If you study the Nazi leaders, many of them were raised by religious people with the exact same attitude you display. They believed they were raising their children in a loving way, and steering them in the right direction. In a sick world do you really think it is a good idea to raise children to conform? Unquestioning Obedience is only worthwhile if those you are being obedient too are compassionate. Blind Obedience to degenerates and tyrants is evil, and yet this is what most parents raise, unwell adults that fit into an unwell society to conform to a perverse system.
Their was a recent story about a devout religious couple who adopted children and raised them according to the Christian parenting book 'To Train Up a Child.' Well, they neglected that poor child to death, the 13-year-old died of hypothermia brought on by severe malnutrition in the families back yard. And the religious justification of such child rearing methods is why I find such beliefs appalling, because hitting and neglecting children has the paradoxical effect of creating adult child abusers. The irony is it works in such a way that the abolition of the poor treatment of children is near impossible because the adults who were once those abused children grow up to endorse such behaviour. There's a lot of research behind this, and the repression and denial that saved the child acts as a roadblock to the adult. If the child was shut down and unable to express themselves effectively and no criticism of the parent was tolerated they grow up to be shut off from their true feelings, they essentially have a fake persona. The majority of people NEVER confront their true feelings about childhood abuses and humiliation and because of this go on to repeat the cycle.
I used to think the bible was wrong and people were inherently good. But bro I now know better - there are a lot of rotten people and most of them have NO RELIGIOUS UPBRINGING.
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I used to think the bible was wrong and people were inherently good. But bro I now know better - there are a lot of rotten people and most of them have NO RELIGIOUS UPBRINGING.
The upbringing doesn't have to be religious, just abusive, whether that be by use of force, neglect, humiliation etc etc. The majority of the world raises their kids in a similar way based on principles that have come from religious principles. Indoctrinating children with religion is just another form of child abuse. What I am saying is that almost everyone suffers (albeit unconsciously) from some dysfunction in their childhood. hence the reason the world is so violent and fucked up. When you are imprinted from childhood that certain values are normal (when they clearly are not), like the belief that hitting children is a beneficial and loving act. You have a sick culture that can't see it's own sickness. The realities of what causes what is invisible to such people.
Most people are terrified to examine their childhood because of the psychological suffering they may experience. The average person just thinks that the strong feelings children feel when they are repressed, humiliated, hit and neglected just somehow disappear at some later date, when in fact what has happened is they are buried deep in the psyche to be expressed at a later date, often in the form of dysfunction and relationship problems.
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I guess it varies in terminology where people live, in my neck of the woods we do not call traffic violations ''charges''
im swedish so i dong know it was more of a question thqn me trying to be a smartass tbh =D
I sometimes see in cops etc that they say he was charged with speeding etc but you are from canada so maybe it has a different meaning to what i atleast tought it meant
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The upbringing doesn't have to be religious, just abusive, whether that be by use of force, neglect, humiliation etc etc. The majority of the world raises their kids in a similar way based on principles that have come from religious principles. Indoctrinating children with religion is just another form of child abuse.
All cultures have similar principles of child rearing, it's not really religious, it's cultural. And most of todays kids have no religious influence if we are talking about the average American family.
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Let all the victims male relatives take her anus and call it even.
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Let all the victims male relatives take her anus and call it even.
in that case i would ask them to adopt me
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in that case i would ask them to adopt me
you and i could dp her while mr. trollbody jams his c0ck down her throat
and btw, winny or var?
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All cultures have similar principles of child rearing, it's not really religious, it's cultural. And most of todays kids have no religious influence if we are talking about the average American family.
I agree, it is cultural, but not much has changed from the religious child rearing ideals practised for centuries. Sure things have gotten better in terms of the extremes of abuse the average kid endures, but the needs of children aren't being met in such a way that produces well adjusted, healthy adults. The examination of child rearing practises is almost a taboo subject for a lot of people. The parent is held in such high regard that no criticism is allowed. (The commandment - Honour your father and your mother -didn't help with this).
So if your parents were arseholes (so to speak), and you weren't allowed to express yourself freely, including your hateful feelings, and you were forced to be obedient and at the same time to appreciate your adult tormentors you can grow up into a pretty repressed individual, capable of functioning, but experiencing all types of strong urges and impulses that make little to no sense to you. Anyway, I think it is an undervalued issue, and something modern society needs to look at. It's a politically incorrect view to suggest children shouldn't be treated so harshly and punitively.
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So if your parents were arseholes (so to speak), and you weren't allowed to express yourself freely, including your hateful feelings, and you were forced to be obedient and at the same time to appreciate your adult tormentors you can grow up into a pretty repressed individual, capable of functioning, but experiencing all types of strong urges and impulses that make little to no sense to you.
Sounds like you speak from experience!
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Sounds like you speak from experience!
Well, sure I do, but it was like that for a lot of my friends growing up, I had friends who had it even worse. I don't think my situation was unique by any standards. It's a controversial topic, but some people can grow up and not be too affected by poor parenting while others are deeply affected for a lifetime. Due to the unique nature of child abuse and it's universal acceptance on some levels, a lot of adults remain unaware of their own childhood torment.
One of the features of child abuse is that for a child to psychologically survive they employ certain techniques to repress, minimise, deny or justify the abuse. It isn't uncommon for adults to claim they had a wonderful childhood and yet they suffered horrible abuses. This can happen for many reasons, but often they may be vaguely aware of some unconscious discomfort regarding the issue, and they fear that if they explore it their will also be a reservoir of pain and discomfort underneath it. The problem is, if it isn't dealt with, may people repeat the same patterns in their life, so for instance, if they come from an alcoholic parent, they are likely to attract a similar scenario in their adulthood. It's a complex issue, and not one easily explained in a couple of paragraphs.
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btw- she is in the "Bikini division"......isn't that the division for treadmill/rope crunch bunnies who want that "I compete" cred in the gym but reality all they got to do is slather themselves in self tanner and get fake tits? EDIT: and they don't even want a "Pro Card"---they just have a fetish for bodybuiiders and "competing" is a means just to get closer to some juicehead
gimmie a fucking break!!!
Lenda Murray developed a cock as huge as mine from all the drugs she took to break down all the walls women had to face in this Pageantry sport so loadrags like Nicole Nagrani (who maybe a closet Persian with a name like that) can compete and kill old jewish women becuase she didn't like the Benny Benassi song here shuffle brought up
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btw- she is in the "Bikini division"......isn't that the division for treadmill/rope crunch bunnies who want that "I compete" cred in the gym but reality all they got to do is slather themselves in self tanner and get fake tits?
gimmie a fucking break!!!
Lenda Murray developed a cock as huge as mine from all the drugs she took to break down all the walls women had to face in this Pageantry sport so loadrags like Nicole Nagrani (who maybe a closet Persian with a name like that) can compete and kill old jewish women becuase she didn't like the Benny Benassi song here shuffle brought up
LOL
And Nicole has an INDIAN heritage, so it's surprising she didn't offer up a thousand apologies.
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btw- she is in the "Bikini division"......isn't that the division for treadmill/rope crunch bunnies who want that "I compete" cred in the gym but reality all they got to do is slather themselves in self tanner and get fake tits? EDIT: and they don't even want a "Pro Card"---they just have a fetish for bodybuiiders and "competing" is a means just to get closer to some juicehead
gimmie a fucking break!!!
Lenda Murray developed a cock as huge as mine from all the drugs she took to break down all the walls women had to face in this Pageantry sport so loadrags like Nicole Nagrani (who maybe a closet Persian with a name like that) can compete and kill old jewish women becuase she didn't like the Benny Benassi song here shuffle brought up
Pics or it didn't happen.
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btw- she is in the "Bikini division"......isn't that the division for treadmill/rope crunch bunnies who want that "I compete" cred in the gym but reality all they got to do is slather themselves in self tanner and get fake tits? EDIT: and they don't even want a "Pro Card"---they just have a fetish for bodybuiiders and "competing" is a means just to get closer to some juicehead
gimmie a fucking break!!!
Lenda Murray developed a cock as huge as mine from all the drugs she took to break down all the walls women had to face in this Pageantry sport so loadrags like Nicole Nagrani (who maybe a closet Persian with a name like that) can compete and kill old jewish women becuase she didn't like the Benny Benassi song here shuffle brought up
JNN bringing the pain....and the lulz.