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I made this thread after reading in a thread where it was said to be racist to enforce voter ID card laws, and that it was because blacks and other minorities were disproportionately poor and could not afford a $10 ID. I say take it one step further, only allow property owning, tax payers the right to vote. And by property, I mean anything that is taxed, such as cars, land, homes etc. Seems to me, that if only those types of people could vote, you'd get rid of the votes of all morons, poor whites too. What say you Getbig?
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Nah. Voter ID laws are good. Don't agree with the property owner/taxpayer requirement. That could disenfranchise a lot of young folks, and possibly a lot of elderly folks too.
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Poll tax and iq test should be used. Would eliminate 97% of democrat voters.
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Nah. Voter ID laws are good. Don't agree with the property owner/taxpayer requirement. That could disenfranchise a lot of young folks, and possibly a lot of elderly folks too.
I don't think those under the age of 21 should be able to vote. They should raise the age until 21, and repeal the ability to draft those under 21. If you are 18 and over, and want to join, you should be able to. That would take away the argument that "I can die for my country, but can't vote!"
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I made this thread after reading in a thread where it was said to be racist to enforce voter ID card laws, and that it was because blacks and other minorities were disproportionately poor and could not afford a $10 ID. I say take it one step further, only allow property owning, tax payers the right to vote. And by property, I mean anything that is taxed, such as cars, land, homes etc. Seems to me, that if only those types of people could vote, you'd get rid of the votes of all morons, poor whites too. What say you Getbig?
In other words, only allow people who are invested in our country to vote. Very good, this is the way it was originally.
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I don't think those under the age of 21 should be able to vote. They should raise the age until 21, and repeal the ability to draft those under 21. If you are 18 and over, and want to join, you should be able to. That would take away the argument that "I can die for my country, but can't vote!"
Why raise the voting age to twenty-one?
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I could get down with a if you receive hand outs you dont get a vote law...
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Why do IDs even have to cost anything?
They should be free for voting purposes.
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Why do IDs even have to cost anything?
They should be free for voting purposes.
I agree my point in voting being restricted to those who dont get govt hand outs is that they arent able to vote themselves more hand outs...
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Nah. Voter ID laws are good. Don't agree with the property owner/taxpayer requirement. That could disenfranchise a lot of young folks, and possibly a lot of elderly folks too.
we all know that there is so little voter fraud as to make absolutely no difference on the outcome of elections
the only "good' that voter ID laws do is to suppress the vote which is traditionally "good" for Republicans
I assume that is the "good" you're referring to
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we all know that there is no little voter fraud as to make absolutely no difference on the outcome of elections
We do now?
any proof?
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What do you vote for ... basically you vote for how tax money is allocated. So, why not require paying taxes as mandatory to voting? If you don't have a skin in the game, why should you have a say so? If you don't pay taxes, you should simply get a letter in the mail, saying sorry, you may not vote. Do this and you will instantly see more proficient use of tax dollars.
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What do you vote for ... basically you vote for how tax money is allocated. So, why not require paying taxes as mandatory to voting? If you don't have a skin in the game, why should you have a say so? If you don't pay taxes, you should simply get a letter in the mail, saying sorry, you may not vote. Do this and you will instantly see more proficient use of tax dollars.
exactly but this would never happen b/c libtards could no longer run on their current platform of economic populism
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We do now?
any proof?
yep
go find the # of convictions for voter fraud and post them here and that will be all the proof you need
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yep
go find the # of convictions for voter fraud and post them here and that will be all the proof you need
LMFAO thats not proof dumb ass
lack of proof for the null does not prove the alternative
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we all know that there is so little voter fraud as to make absolutely no difference on the outcome of elections
the only "good' that voter ID laws do is to suppress the vote which is traditionally "good" for Republicans
I assume that is the "good" you're referring to
How so? How would you curb voter fraud without having picture IDs? Serious question.
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How so? How would you curb voter fraud without having picture IDs? Serious question.
his ignorant assertion is that b/c there arent enough people being prosecuted for voter fraud it isnt a problem and there for we dont need a voter id law.
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I made this thread after reading in a thread where it was said to be racist to enforce voter ID card laws, and that it was because blacks and other minorities were disproportionately poor and could not afford a $10 ID. I say take it one step further, only allow property owning, tax payers the right to vote. And by property, I mean anything that is taxed, such as cars, land, homes etc. Seems to me, that if only those types of people could vote, you'd get rid of the votes of all morons, poor whites too. What say you Getbig?
That's stupid we have a black president so his people should be able to vote
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we all know that there is so little voter fraud as to make absolutely no difference on the outcome of elections
the only "good' that voter ID laws do is to suppress the vote which is traditionally "good" for Republicans
I assume that is the "good" you're referring to
I don't even bother reasoning with these flat earther's anymore. They simply need to realize that no matter what they do....liberals will always win because we are the side of reason and tolerance while the cave dwelling 47er's are bigoted asswipes.
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I don't even bother reasoning with these flat earther's anymore. They simply need to realize that no matter what they do....liberals will always win because we are the side of reason and tolerance while the cave dwelling 47er's are bigoted asswipes.
yup everything in this post screams of tolerance and reasoning...hahah fucking morons
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I don't even bother reasoning with these flat earther's anymore. They simply need to realize that no matter what they do....liberals will always win because we are the side of reason and tolerance while the cave dwelling 47er's are bigoted asswipes.
Total bullshit. Liberals are as intolerant and dogmatic as any other group. There are things you believe that I'm sure have no basis in facts but you choose to believe it because it fits your world view.
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we all know that there is so little voter fraud as to make absolutely no difference on the outcome of elections
the only "good' that voter ID laws do is to suppress the vote which is traditionally "good" for Republicans
I assume that is the "good" you're referring to
I don't see how it's unfair for a person to be required to prove who they say they are. If you don't have the foresight to obtain the proper identification in advance should you be voting in the first place.
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wouldn't people just parcel up land to 1 inch by 1 inch chunks, and sell them?
"I own land so I can vote". There are always a million ways.
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you dont understand guys its extremely restrictive to force someone to obtain an id, but it is not restrictive at all to force someone to obtain insurance...
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I don't even bother reasoning with these flat earther's anymore. They simply need to realize that no matter what they do....liberals will always win because we are the side of reason and tolerance while the cave dwelling 47er's are bigoted asswipes.
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my question is how is it restrictive to force people to get an id or not be able to vote but its not restrictive to force someone to obtain insurance or get fined?
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Of course Democrats do not want voters producing ID...it is the masses of illegal aliens, ex-convicts, and the welfare-sucking populace that flock to the Democrats for a handout. Unfortunately, the top 1% also vote and support overwhelmingly Democratic causes.
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That's stupid we have a black president so his people should be able to vote
So race overrides qualification.
No wonder this country is in the toilet.
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you dont understand guys its extremely restrictive to force someone to obtain an id, but it is not restrictive at all to force someone to obtain insurance...
LOL!!
Libtards are the masters of idiocy.
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It really doesn't matter who vote because democracy is gonne. People think they live in democracy but it's just disguised fascism.
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Awkward: Protestors Marching Against North Carolina's Voter ID Law Required to Bring Photo ID
Despite 75 percent of North Carolinians agreeing that some form of voter identification is necessary and eight out of 10 residents considering the law to be fair to all voters, there have been large protests in the state's capital against requiring voters to show a form of identification.
While this is the United States and all citizens have the freedom to protest, there is one hilarious twist to this "Moral March" against voter ID: In order to attend the march, march organizers have required that a marcher must bring one of the forms of ID that they would have to show at a voting booth.
States with voter ID laws have seen increased turnout in voters.
In addition to needing an ID to protest voter ID laws, citizens of North Carolina will need a valid form of identification to fly commercially, ride Amtrak, enter federal buildings, use credit cards, buy cough syrup, cigarettes, and alcohol, apply for welfare, cash a check, register for school, and apply for a job.
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One should have to be a taxpayer in order to vote, also id like it if they had to have a certain basic intelligence level.
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Of course Democrats do not want voters producing ID...it is the masses of illegal aliens, ex-convicts, and the welfare-sucking populace that flock to the Democrats for a handout. Unfortunately, the top 1% also vote and support overwhelmingly Democratic causes.
Most important point here.
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Doesn't a person need identification to get a job?
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Doesn't a person need identification to get a job?
Yes, they do.
Even to enter some buildings, like a retirement home, you need an ID.
But, it's too much to ask for an ID before letting someone vote. Really?
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lack of proof for the null does not prove the alternative
Doesn't that mean that there is no sort of proof you'd accept then?
Face it, Tony, voter fraud isn't at all common. If it were, isn't it logical that there are more than enough interested parties that'd be trumpeting it from the rooftops?
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I could get down with a if you receive hand outs you dont get a vote law...
I don't know if you've thought this through at all (but that's why these discussions are useful, eh?)
What do you call a "hand out", anyway? And are you even halfway familiar with how many different types of folks get money from the gov't? (Besides the single mom welfare recipients that you like to demonize, lol.)
So farmers who receive gov't money for not growing certain crops wouldn't get to vote? Corporations that receive special tax breaks? What about all those banks that took bailout money? Would all their workers not get to vote or just top management?
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I made this thread after reading in a thread where it was said to be racist to enforce voter ID card laws, and that it was because blacks and other minorities were disproportionately poor and could not afford a $10 ID. I say take it one step further, only allow property owning, tax payers the right to vote. And by property, I mean anything that is taxed, such as cars, land, homes etc. Seems to me, that if only those types of people could vote, you'd get rid of the votes of all morons, poor whites too. What say you Getbig?
I say that this is pretty much the system they had in the earliest days of the USA and there was a lot of civil discontent because of it. (And I don't just mean demonstrations -- I mean mobs of poor folks seizing the property of rich folks.)
you'd be making it even easier for the rich to rule all.
BTW, I guess you're not including sales tax, right? -- Yo, I just bought some property on which I was taxed (Ok, a pack of smokes) which way to the voting booth?
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I agree my point in voting being restricted to those who dont get govt hand outs is that they arent able to vote themselves more hand outs...
Holy shit -- "Voting themselves more handouts"?
So I guess you must totally be freaking out when it comes to our current system of how those in congress are elected, right?
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How can you possibly defend not needing a basic ID showing you are a citizen to vote???
How can this in any possible way be construed as a bad thing or 'unjust'????
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How can you possibly defend not needing a basic ID showing you are a citizen to vote???
How can this in any possible way be construed as a bad thing or 'unjust'????
Good points because believe it or not I DO think that everyone should have some sort of basic ID (with a photo, fingerprint, retinal scan or whatever).
The problem is that places are putting these reasonable laws in effect but making it very difficult for folks to comply.
http://crooksandliars.com/2014/02/texas-granny-collides-texas-voterid-law (http://crooksandliars.com/2014/02/texas-granny-collides-texas-voterid-law)
This doesn't affect many folks at all, but how about 80-year old women who not only need a birth certificate (difficult enough for some) but also a marriage certificate (to explain a name change that happened 60 years ago) and the agency won't accept an expired driver's license with a photo ID?
http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2011/oct/05/marriage-certificate-required-bureaucrat-tells/ (http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2011/oct/05/marriage-certificate-required-bureaucrat-tells/)
So, JM, I agree with you that Voter ID's are a good thing. I just think these laws are passed and not enough effort is made to help those (seniors and the very poor) comply who can't bop on down to DMV as you or I can.
Speaking of which, WTF is up with DMV's in certain (Southern?) states? I thought it was just me that noticed a hilariously authoritative attitude among NC DMV workers (they think they're big shit instead realizing that they work a boring and low-paying job) but while reading accounts of folks getting ID's at DMV it seems this shit is common.
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Idk, DMV's have long been notorious for that. The last few times i went there seem to have been improvements made though
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Yes, they do.
Even to enter some buildings, like a retirement home, you need an ID.
But, it's too much to ask for an ID before letting someone vote. Really?
If a person doesn't have enough foresight to get an ID card should such an imbecile be voting. In all likelihood he's probably not even employed and hasn't been for some time.
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Did the people who voted in 1776 all own property? Pay Taxes?
I don't mind the ID aspect to be honest... Give them a free voter ID card.
Certainly, everyone pays some amount of taxes... Those on social security have taxes deducted.
Also, define "tax paying".
Does the average joe who gets a tax refund because they make 30 grand a year (effectively not paying taxes) not get to vote?
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Did the people who voted in 1776 all own property? Pay Taxes?
I don't mind the ID aspect to be honest... Give them a free voter ID card.
Certainly, everyone pays some amount of taxes... Those on social security have taxes deducted.
Also, define "tax paying".
Does the average joe who gets a tax refund because they make 30 grand a year (effectively not paying taxes) not get to vote?
Exactly ... if you get a refund larger than your withholdings ... you are NOT paying taxes. Only responsible people should be voters. This is why our founders created the electoral college. They figured the average person could not make an informed decision. Therefore, if the government subsidizes your life, you should not get a vote. The whole point of Obama is to get more than half the populous hooked on government payouts to support lifestyle. Of course these people are going to want more freebies. Do you really want the least intelligent and most irresponsible making decisions ??? really ??? We have slipped into socialism. My god look at New Orleans ... thousands of people who cant take care of themselves... much like farm animals.
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You messed up the quote function so I can't quote you, but none the less...
There are people who vote right and left that do not pay taxes.
They vote the way they do for whatever reason it is.
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I think just white people with blond hair blue eyes should be able to vote
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I think just white people with blond hair blue eyes should be able to vote
The conversation always degenerates to this point with most on the left.
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Founding fathers and the electoral college should not be a reason to justify any-fucking-thing today.
Voting rights were decided by the states, but only about 15% of FREE (non-slave) adult population could vote back then (in 1787). Works out to about 6% of the total population.
So please take that founding fathers crap the hell out of here. Great for moneyed white men, shitty for everyone else.
The "founding fathers" feared the masses (including poor whites, slaves, and American Indians) just as the 1% do today.
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Good points because believe it or not I DO think that everyone should have some sort of basic ID (with a photo, fingerprint, retinal scan or whatever).
The problem is that places are putting these reasonable laws in effect but making it very difficult for folks to comply.
http://crooksandliars.com/2014/02/texas-granny-collides-texas-voterid-law (http://crooksandliars.com/2014/02/texas-granny-collides-texas-voterid-law)
This doesn't affect many folks at all, but how about 80-year old women who not only need a birth certificate (difficult enough for some) but also a marriage certificate (to explain a name change that happened 60 years ago) and the agency won't accept an expired driver's license with a photo ID?
http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2011/oct/05/marriage-certificate-required-bureaucrat-tells/ (http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2011/oct/05/marriage-certificate-required-bureaucrat-tells/)
So, JM, I agree with you that Voter ID's are a good thing. I just think these laws are passed and not enough effort is made to help those (seniors and the very poor) comply who can't bop on down to DMV as you or I can.
Speaking of which, WTF is up with DMV's in certain (Southern?) states? I thought it was just me that noticed a hilariously authoritative attitude among NC DMV workers (they think they're big shit instead realizing that they work a boring and low-paying job) but while reading accounts of folks getting ID's at DMV it seems this shit is common.
you mean like obamacare?
lol so youre for making people sign up for health care which is not only a convoluted and confusing process but one that needs to be repeated often and youre against this b/c you think the process is prohibitive...
got it moron
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you mean like obamacare?
lol so youre for making people sign up for health care which is not only a convoluted and confusing process but one that needs to be repeated often and youre against this b/c you think the process is prohibitive...
got it moron
This encapsulates the issue nicely. Voter ID laws are actually mild compared to the compulsory requirements for ACA
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Let's get real for a moment
Repubs have a vested interest in lower turnout.....period
Numerous Republicans have said this and it's one of those "givens" that everyone knows it true
Voter ID laws are just another version of the poll tax, literacy test etc...
The intent (and hope) is that it will reduce voter turnout which will benefit Republican
There is no significant voter fraud (i.e. people actually voting multiple times or using false identity)
I understand that Repubs like to imagine that it exists in order to justify their various voter ID initiatives but in private they will admit the real purpose (and even occasionally in public they will do so)
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Let's get real for a moment
Repubs have a vested interest in lower turnout.....period
Numerous Republicans have said this and it's one of those "givens" that everyone knows it true
Voter ID laws are just another version of the poll tax, literacy test etc...
The intent (and hope) is that it will reduce voter turnout which will benefit Republican
There is no significant voter fraud (i.e. people actually voting multiple times or using false identity)
I understand that Repubs like to imagine that it exists in order to justify their various voter ID initiatives but in private they will admit the real purpose (and even occasionally in public they will do so)
its well documented that the majority of the country is independent leaning conservative so exactly how do reps have a vested interest in voter turn out?
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Let's get real for a moment
Repubs have a vested interest in lower turnout.....period
Numerous Republicans have said this and it's one of those "givens" that everyone knows it true
Voter ID laws are just another version of the poll tax, literacy test etc...
The intent (and hope) is that it will reduce voter turnout which will benefit Republican
There is no significant voter fraud (i.e. people actually voting multiple times or using false identity)
I understand that Repubs like to imagine that it exists in order to justify their various voter ID initiatives but in private they will admit the real purpose (and even occasionally in public they will do so)
Let's get real here. What functioning member of society doesn't have ID?
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Let's get real here. What functioning member of society doesn't have ID?
People who live in the city and have never needed anything more than a bus pass.
Those people don't.
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People who live in the city and have never needed anything more than a bus pass.
Those people don't.
They never need to present ID ever? For instance to buy alcohol. Well they need to use their bus pass to take them to procur a ID card.
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They never need to present ID ever? For instance to buy alcohol. Well they need to use their bus pass to take them to procur a ID card.
Old black church ladies probably don't drink.
There are a lot of older people who have just simply never had to drive... My grandmother never drove until she was 80.
My grandfather always drove and did everything.
Now, my grandmother had numerous credit cards and of course had ID, but that's not everyone.
Voting is for EVERYONE, not just who you believe to be "fit to vote".
That's an absolutely ridiculous notion... Who gets to decide who is "fit to vote".
Today you're saying you must have ID, or they must own property... Next you'll be saying, must be baptist... or anything but muslim... It is, to be honest, very similar to saying "only white".
Voting is supposed to be "inclusive", not exclusive at all.
You are trying to exclude people. I take issue with that.
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Old black church ladies probably don't drink.
There are a lot of older people who have just simply never had to drive... My grandmother never drove until she was 80.
My grandfather always drove and did everything.
Now, my grandmother had numerous credit cards and of course had ID, but that's not everyone.
Voting is for EVERYONE, not just who you believe to be "fit to vote".
That's an absolutely ridiculous notion... Who gets to decide who is "fit to vote".
Today you're saying you must have ID, or they must own property... Next you'll be saying, must be baptist... or anything but muslim... It is, to be honest, very similar to saying "only white".
Voting is supposed to be "inclusive", not exclusive at all.
You are trying to exclude people. I take issue with that.
This is a straw man argument and full of shrill hyperbole. I'm not trying to excluding anyone. It's not an inconvenience for someone to prove who they say they are.
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This is a straw man argument and full of shrill hyperbole. I'm not trying to excluding anyone. It's not an inconvenience for someone to prove who they say they are.
It's really not hyperbole... These are the realities of older people and certain people in general.
They may not be YOUR reality, but to a group of people, it is reality.
How can you say you aren't trying to exclude people when you are specifically giving criteria to "allow" someone to vote.
You are choosing that only X group with Y item can vote... That is, by measure of definition, exclusion.
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Let's get real here. What functioning member of society doesn't have ID?
many older people or poor people who don't drive
if it were simply an issue of allowing various and multiple alternatives then that would be fine but ..... of course, that is not how the laws are drafted
they are drafted to make it more difficult to voter
this would be a simple fix and we could do it on a national level.... but Repubs would never allow it because it would lower their chances of winning elections
Here is the simple formula.
As a general rule the more people who vote the less likely it is for a Republican to win
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It's really not hyperbole... These are the realities of older people and certain people in general.
They may not be YOUR reality, but to a group of people, it is reality.
How can you say you aren't trying to exclude people when you are specifically giving criteria to "allow" someone to vote.
You are choosing that only X group with Y item can vote... That is, by measure of definition, exclusion.
Oh please, come off it. Anyone can get ID. Nothing is stopping them. Every process has rules and requirements.
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Old black church ladies probably don't drink.
There are a lot of older people who have just simply never had to drive... My grandmother never drove until she was 80.
My grandfather always drove and did everything.
Now, my grandmother had numerous credit cards and of course had ID, but that's not everyone.
Voting is for EVERYONE, not just who you believe to be "fit to vote".
That's an absolutely ridiculous notion... Who gets to decide who is "fit to vote".
Today you're saying you must have ID, or they must own property... Next you'll be saying, must be baptist... or anything but muslim... It is, to be honest, very similar to saying "only white".
Voting is supposed to be "inclusive", not exclusive at all.
You are trying to exclude people. I take issue with that.
requiring id is not exclusive tu...
seriously if people are ok with forcing everyone to sign up for healthcare and we all know what a pain in the ass that can be, how can they say that this is prohibitive?
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many older people or poor people who don't drive
if it were simply an issue of allowing various and multiple alternatives then that would be fine but ..... of course, that is not how the laws are drafted
they are drafted to make it more difficult to voter
this would be a simple fix and we could do it on a national level.... but Repubs would never allow it because it would lower their chances of winning elections
Here is the simple formula.
As a general rule the more people who vote the less likely it is for a Republican to win
So, they can't get ID. Nothing is stopping them.
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many older people or poor people who don't drive
if it were simply an issue of allowing various and multiple alternatives then that would be fine but ..... of course, that is not how the laws are drafted
they are drafted to make it more difficult to voter
this would be a simple fix and we could do it on a national level.... but Repubs would never allow it because it would lower their chances of winning elections
Here is the simple formula.
As a general rule the more people who vote the less likely it is for a Republican to win
excluding someone for their actions/inactions when there is nothing prohibiting them from taking those actions is not really excluding them.
They are excluding themselves...
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As a general rule the more people who vote the less likely it is for a Republican to win
LMFAO except the data doesnt back up your ignorance.
It always amazes me how much libtards think other people think the way they do, your views are fucking out ther dumb ass just b/c you have a few friends who are just as ignorant and dumb as you doesnt mean shit.
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requiring id is not exclusive tu...
seriously if people are ok with forcing everyone to sign up for healthcare and we all know what a pain in the ass that can be, how can they say that this is prohibitive?
I didn't say that was OK either, so don't put that on me.
I think everyone should have had an OPTION to sign into medicare for a cost... Whatever it takes for the overhead. That's about it.
So don't give me that "If people say this, then you should be ok with that" when I'm not ok with either one.
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excluding someone for their actions/inactions when there is nothing prohibiting them from taking those actions is not really excluding them.
They are excluding themselves...
Exactly. Unless a person is house bound because of a medical condition nothing is stopping them from getting ID.
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Oh please, come off it. Anyone can get ID. Nothing is stopping them. Every process has rules and requirements.
actually, many states make it quite difficult to get the "required" form of ID, especially if you live in a rural area and don't own a car
here is a long list of other examples of people who had difficulty voting (or could not vote) due to these types of laws
again, if the laws were written with great latitude for various alternatives forms of ID then it might be fine (but of course that would defeat the purpose of the laws which are designed to reduce voter turnout)
http://www.lawyerscommittee.org/page?id=0046
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Exactly. Unless a person is house bound because of a medical condition nothing is stopping them from getting ID.
Yes there is... Why are you ignoring the fact that some people don't drive.
So you're saying that they should be inconvenienced to go get an ID and pay for it so they can vote?
I have said that I feel that if you were to give the ID away for free and allow them to get the ID at the voting station the first time, I would be more inclined to let it go, but that's never what anyone has stated they would be allowed to do.
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Yes there is... Why are you ignoring the fact that some people don't drive.
So you're saying that they should be inconvenienced to go get an ID and pay for it so they can vote?
I have said that I feel that if you were to give the ID away for free and allow them to get the ID at the voting station the first time, I would be more inclined to let it go, but that's never what anyone has stated they would be allowed to do.
Yes they should. Give ID away for free. It's actually very inexpensive to obtain a state ID. My mother has vision problems and can't drive. She has a state ID.
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My requirements to vote...
1. 25 years of age
2. Must pass very basic civics test before each vote every time....i.e. Three branches of government, US constitution Bill of Rights etc IN ENGLISH!
3. Must be US citizen with Federal Voting ID card Issued by the local FBI office!
4. Must not be receiving any Federal/State welfare assistance...local OK as is private
5. Must have paid taxes in the previous year or had taxable income
6. Must sign affidavit stating you are eligible to vote.... and be aware of mandatory 5 year incarceration if you purger yourself.
All these I would gladly do myself, so no special treatment.
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Yes they should. Give ID away for free. It's actually very inexpensive to obtain a state ID. My mother has vision problems and can't drive. She has a state ID.
That's the rub, most people are not saying that they will give it away.
Most people supporting the ID are saying they should purchase it.
Also, are you willing to do it at the voting location the first time?
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My requirements to vote...
1. 25 years of age
2. Must pass very basic civics test before each vote every time....i.e. Three branches of government, US constitution Bill of Rights etc IN ENGLISH!
3. Must be US citizen with Federal Voting ID card Issued by the local FBI office!
4. Must not be receiving any Federal/State welfare assistance...local OK as is private
5. Must have paid taxes in the previous year or had taxable income
6. Must sign affidavit stating you are eligible to vote.... and be aware of mandatory 5 year incarceration if you purger yourself.
All these I would gladly do myself, so no special treatment.
Our country would be in very good shape right now if those were the requirements.
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LMFAO except the data doesnt back up your ignorance.
It always amazes me how much libtards think other people think the way they do, your views are fucking out ther dumb ass just b/c you have a few friends who are just as ignorant and dumb as you doesnt mean shit.
I see you forgot to include that data in your post.....once again
As recently as the governor race in Virginia last year you had pundit saying that Cuccinelli could win if only the turn out was low enough (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/11/03/VA-Analyst-Low-Turnout-Election-Will-Help-Cuccinelli)
I'd like to see Repubs and Dems come together at a National Level and get committed to INCREASING voter turnout (i.e. we should have as much of our population participating in our elections)
They could easily do this by creating a national voter registry which you are automatically entered into when you turn 18
Do you think Repubs would be in favor of this?
How about Dems?
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I see you forgot to include that data in your post.....once again
As recently as the governor race in Virginia last year you had pundit saying that Cuccinelli could win if only the turn out was low enough (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/11/03/VA-Analyst-Low-Turnout-Election-Will-Help-Cuccinelli)
I'd like to see Repubs and Dems come together at a National Level and get committed to INCREASING voter turnout (i.e. we should have as much of our population participating in our elections)
They could easily do this by creating a national voter registry which you are automatically entered into when you turn 18
Do you think Repubs would be in favor of this?
How about Dems?
What's your point? We could expand voting even further and allow kids to vote. Is that even better?
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What's your point? We could expand voting even further and allow kids to vote. Is that even better?
Everyone votes in their own self interest... or at least they THINK they do.
You have people in the middle of kentucky on welfare voting republican who would cut them off, but really, they THINK they are voting for their own interests... Who doesn't vote that way?
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We really do need more poor and uneducated people voting who couldn't even run their own life properly.
The fact that democrats are so concerned about getting these people out to vote says a lot.
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We really do need more poor and uneducated people voting who couldn't even run their own life properly.
The fact that democrats are so concerned about getting these people out to vote says a lot.
Republicans want those votes too, don't let anyone fool you.
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We really do need more poor and uneducated people voting who couldn't even run their own life properly.
The fact that democrats are so concerned about getting these people out to vote says a lot.
It says it all....plebs SHOULD NOT VOTE!
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The world should embrace stupid lazy people voting for self interest only......oh wait that doesn't work for long.
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Everyone votes in their own self interest... or at least they THINK they do.
You have people in the middle of kentucky on welfare voting republican who would cut them off, but really, they THINK they are voting for their own interests... Who doesn't vote that way?
As far as voting goes, my self interest is preserving the country our founding fathers built.
I have very different self interests than the democratic voters that (have cell phones and new tennis shoes Jordans but) can't make it down to the DMV for an ID.
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Blacken straw licker vince and obama should be banned from voting
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As far as voting goes, my self interest is preserving the country our founding fathers built.
I have very different self interests than the democratic voters that (have cell phones and new tennis shoes Jordans but) can't make it down to the DMV for an ID.
I have different self interests than democratic AND republicans.
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I see you forgot to include that data in your post.....once again
As recently as the governor race in Virginia last year you had pundit saying that Cuccinelli could win if only the turn out was low enough (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/11/03/VA-Analyst-Low-Turnout-Election-Will-Help-Cuccinelli)
I'd like to see Repubs and Dems come together at a National Level and get committed to INCREASING voter turnout (i.e. we should have as much of our population participating in our elections)
They could easily do this by creating a national voter registry which you are automatically entered into when you turn 18
Do you think Repubs would be in favor of this?
How about Dems?
LMFAO ok moron...let me spell it out for your obvious libtard dumb ass...
http://www.gallup.com/poll/148745/political-ideology-stable-conservatives-leading.aspx
THIS IS NATIONALLY NOT IN SOME RANDOM STATE THAT SUPPORTS YOUR STUPIDTY!!!
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any fucking commment dumb ass???
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Everyone votes in their own self interest... or at least they THINK they do.
You have people in the middle of kentucky on welfare voting republican who would cut them off, but really, they THINK they are voting for their own interests... Who doesn't vote that way?
thats the point tu, if you arent contributing to the overall fund of the country you shouldnt be voting.
Its basic...if you are a net drag on society you can vote to become a bigger net drag so you shouldnt be able to vote
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thats the point tu, if you arent contributing to the overall fund of the country you shouldnt be voting.
Its basic...if you are a net drag on society you can vote to become a bigger net drag so you shouldnt be able to vote
It's a conflict of interest, especially for people on public assistance programs.
It's the same reason public employee unions shouldn't exist, you shouldn't be able to vote for your own raise.
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It's a conflict of interest, especially for people on public assistance programs.
It's the same reason public employee unions shouldn't exist, you shouldn't be able to vote for your own raise.
exactly even obammers thinks that "everybody should have some skin in the game" of course in his libtard mind by "skin in the game" he means that some people should be taking skin and other should be giving it up...
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http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/jan/11/obama-everybody-going-have-sacrifice-something/?page=all
“Everybody is going to have to give. Everybody is going to have to have some skin in the game,” Mr. Obama said
would anyone care to tell me what skin those who are a net drag on society have in the game????
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exactly even obammers thinks that "everybody should have some skin in the game" of course in his libtard mind by "skin in the game" he means that some people should be taking skin and other should be giving it up...
lol.... yes
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My requirements to vote...
1. 25 years of age
2. Must pass very basic civics test before each vote every time....i.e. Three branches of government, US constitution Bill of Rights etc IN ENGLISH!
3. Must be US citizen with Federal Voting ID card Issued by the local FBI office!
4. Must not be receiving any Federal/State welfare assistance...local OK as is private
5. Must have paid taxes in the previous year or had taxable income
6. Must sign affidavit stating you are eligible to vote.... and be aware of mandatory 5 year incarceration if you purger yourself.
All these I would gladly do myself, so no special treatment.
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actually, many states make it quite difficult to get the "required" form of ID, especially if you live in a rural area and don't own a car
here is a long list of other examples of people who had difficulty voting (or could not vote) due to these types of laws
again, if the laws were written with great latitude for various alternatives forms of ID then it might be fine (but of course that would defeat the purpose of the laws which are designed to reduce voter turnout)
http://www.lawyerscommittee.org/page?id=0046
more difficult than buying insurance that you cannot afford?
LMFAO funny how you are for forcing people to buy insurance but think its prohibitive to make people obtian an id to vote...
libtard logic at work folks!!!
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how about we do this...
We dont make it a law that you have to have a govt id to vote BUT!!!!!! we create a tax that says if you dont have one you have to pay a penalty???
I mean that is right in line with the libtard thinking in obamacare!!!
who could disagree?
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I think not being a net drag on society would suffice, something I do myself so no special treatment here...
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It's a conflict of interest, especially for people on public assistance programs.
It's the same reason public employee unions shouldn't exist, you shouldn't be able to vote for your own raise.
Fair point.
But then I ask. Who is the drain?
Is there a limit of drain we allow?
For instance. People who get tax returns and effectively pay zero taxes.
Are they a drain?
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So, they can't get ID. Nothing is stopping them.
Dude, do you know realize how much this sounds like "Let them eat cake"?
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Dude, do you know realize how much this sounds like "Let them eat cake"?
It doesn't at all. Obtaining ID is easy and inexpensive. No one is preventing anyone from getting ID. Voting is an important right that needs to be safe guarded from fraud.
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We really do need more poor and uneducated people voting who couldn't even run their own life properly.
The fact that democrats are so concerned about getting these people out to vote says a lot.
Very well put
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Dude, do you know realize how much this sounds like "Let them eat cake"?
why not make it like obamacare?
where you can still vote but if you dont have an id you pay a "penalty" otherwise known as a tax.
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My requirements to vote...
1. 25 years of age
2. Must pass very basic civics test before each vote every time....i.e. Three branches of government, US constitution Bill of Rights etc IN ENGLISH!
3. Must be US citizen with Federal Voting ID card Issued by the local FBI office!
4. Must not be receiving any Federal/State welfare assistance...local OK as is private
5. Must have paid taxes in the previous year or had taxable income
6. Must sign affidavit stating you are eligible to vote.... and be aware of mandatory 5 year incarceration if you purger yourself.
All these I would gladly do myself, so no special treatment.
Exactly why I started this thread. I like you dude, you think rationally.
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LMFAO ok moron...let me spell it out for your obvious libtard dumb ass...
http://www.gallup.com/poll/148745/political-ideology-stable-conservatives-leading.aspx
THIS IS NATIONALLY NOT IN SOME RANDOM STATE THAT SUPPORTS YOUR STUPIDTY!!!
this is why I basically ignore you
you're so fucking stupid you don't even understand the argument
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ok....
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ok....
It's all one big diversion by straw man. He's functioning on an emotional level and isn't thinking rationally.
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It's all one big diversion by straw man. He's functioning on an emotional level and isn't thinking rationally.
Just a self loathing socialist hoping everyone feels as miserable as he does.....
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Exactly why I started this thread. I like you dude, you think rationally.
You like me for my big trucks....and huge dumpsters :D
Did you get the info?
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Just a self loathing socialist hoping everyone feels as miserable as he does.....
There is a strong strain of self loathing and anti-Americanism on the left.
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There is a strong strain of self loathing and anti-Americanism on the left.
It's their mating call....
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ok....
your link has NOTHING to do with the argument that Repubs benefit by low voter turnout (as they themselves have admitted)
of course you would need this simple statement explained to you
I've told you many times before that you are not worth my time
I actually wish there was someone on the right side of the spectrum on this board that wasn't a complete idiot (HH is the rare exception...sometimes)
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your link has NOTHING to do with the argument that Repubs benefit by low voter turnout (as they themselves have admitted)
of course you would need this simple statement explained to you
I've told you many times before that you are not worth my time
I actually wish there was someone on the right side of the spectrum on this board that wasn't a complete idiot (HH is the rare exception...sometimes)
So what if they do. Whose responsibility is it to have proper identification?
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It's all one big diversion by straw man. He's functioning on an emotional level and isn't thinking rationally.
You seem to make this claim about everyone who doesn't agree with you, though.
What university did you go to where this approach worked for you?
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You seem to make this claim about everyone who doesn't agree with you, though.
What university did you go to where this approach worked for you?
You're obviously upset. Maybe you need to take a break for awhile
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You seem to make this claim about everyone who doesn't agree with you, though.
What university did you go to where this approach worked for you?
that's streetsoldja for you
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that's streetsoldja for you
The fact is that your argument is weak. You're against voter ID on an emotional level.
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I'm against it because it's one party trying to get an unfair advantage.they didn't do it because it was right or wrong
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I'm against it because it's one party trying to get an unfair advantage.they didn't do it because it was right or wrong
And? Obtaining ID is not hard. There is nothing preventing a person from getting ID. If they obtain ID the problem is solved. Some form of ID should be required.
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Pennsylvania’s GOP chairman, Rob Gleason, is pleased with how effective Voter ID laws were in the 2012 election. Despite President Obama’s victory, Gleason believes the laws did what they were designed to do When asked by a Pennsylvania cable news reporter earlier this week if the laws affected last year’s elections, Gleason responded: “I think we had a better election. Think about this: we cut Obama by 5 percent…I think Voter ID helped a bit in that.”
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I actually wish there was someone on the right side of the spectrum on this board that wasn't a complete idiot (HH is the rare exception...sometimes)
I wish this were true, too. For one thing, smart conservatives (who definitely exist in places like reddit/r/politics or reddit's many conservative sub-forums) don't need an explanation of the current commonly discussed political issues of the day.
There are a few folks who seem fairly with it whose politics are left, right, and center depending on the issue but they don't participate enough. And who can blame them since this mostly mod-free forum seems to quickly dissolve into name-calling.
Let's face it, this is not and probably never has been a serious political forum. It's a little bit more advanced than your average youtube thread, but not by a lot.
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Pennsylvania’s GOP chairman, Rob Gleason, is pleased with how effective Voter ID laws were in the 2012 election. Despite President Obama’s victory, Gleason believes the laws did what they were designed to do When asked by a Pennsylvania cable news reporter earlier this week if the laws affected last year’s elections, Gleason responded: “I think we had a better election. Think about this: we cut Obama by 5 percent…I think Voter ID helped a bit in that.”
So. All this proves is these people should invest in an ID. These were people who couldn't prove who they said they were. A thinking person who cares about voting would be aware of the law and take steps toward obtaining an ID.
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Obtaining ID is easy and inexpensive.
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You are apparently not acquainted with how shitty and desperate the lives of some Americans are.
"Obtaining ID is easy and inexpensive" = "Let them eat cake" for some unfortunate people whether you honestly know this or not.
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Pennsylvania’s GOP chairman, Rob Gleason, is pleased with how effective Voter ID laws were in the 2012 election. Despite President Obama’s victory, Gleason believes the laws did what they were designed to do When asked by a Pennsylvania cable news reporter earlier this week if the laws affected last year’s elections, Gleason responded: “I think we had a better election. Think about this: we cut Obama by 5 percent…I think Voter ID helped a bit in that.”
In other words, people who aren't even intelligent enough to obtain a state ID (I mean, imagine that.... lol), whose only motivation is getting something for nothing, they weren't able to vote.
What a shame
Let's leave our nations future in the hands of skid row, and people who can't even obtain a State ID.
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You're obviously upset. Maybe you need to take a break for awhile
Didn't catch the name of your school. What was it again? (It's nothing to be ashamed of if you did not go to college, btw.)
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You are apparently not acquainted with how shitty and desperate the lives of some Americans are.
"Obtaining ID is easy and inexpensive" = "Let them eat cake" for some unfortunate people whether you honestly know this or not.
It's easy. My mother has an ID card and it was easy for her to obtain one. You keep making excuses for peoples irresponsibility. You're apples and oranges analogy of let them eat cake is a false equivalency.
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Didn't catch the name of your school. What was it again? (It's nothing to be ashamed of if you did not go to college, btw.)
Oh please, more of your desperation. I went to Michigan State.
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You're apples and oranges analogy of let them eat cake is a false equivalency.
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I think it's a pretty good comparison though slightly exaggerated. (Exaggerated because it probably IS slightly easier for even a poor 80-year old catfood-eating senior to get to the DMV and buy an ID than it was for famished french peasants who had no bread to eat to get some cake instead.)
BTW, at Michigan State they don't know the difference between "You're" and "Your"? WTF?
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I think it's a pretty good comparison though slightly exaggerated. (Exaggerated because it probably IS slightly easier for even a poor 80-year old catfood-eating senior to get to the DMV and buy an ID than it was for famished french peasants who had no bread to eat to get some cake instead.)
BTW, at Michigan State they don't know the difference between "You're" and "Your"? WTF?
Hyperbole and nonsense. You're creating a delusional scenario to support your position. As I said, you're coming from a purely emotional place.
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Hyperbole and nonsense. You're creating a delusional scenario to support your position. As I said, you're coming from a purely emotional place.
Delusional how? You don't mean to say that you doubt that desperately poor seniors don't exist in this country, do you?
You went to Michigan State? Isn't Detroit in Michigan?
How are seniors doing there?
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Delusional how? You don't mean to say that you doubt that desperately poor seniors don't exist in this country, do you?
You went to Michigan State? Isn't Detroit in Michigan?
How are seniors doing there?
Of course their are destitute seniors but the reality is that not all people without ID are little old ladies like you claim. If you want to help your little old ladies you are free to do so as a private citizen. Nothing is stopping you from volunteering to assist people obtain IDs
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As a matter of fact a state ID in Michigan is only ten bucks and it's free for anyone 65 and up. Many states are like that.
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Of course their are destitute seniors but the reality is that not all people without ID are little old ladies like you claim. If you want to help your little old ladies you are free to do so as a private citizen. Nothing is stopping you from volunteering to assist people obtain IDs
True. What's stopping the gov't, though?
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As a matter of fact a state ID in Michigan is only ten bucks and it's free for anyone 65 and up. Many states are like that.
Honestly, that's great. However...
Is transportation to the DMV free also? And are fees (for finding documents) waived if destitute folks don't have the documents they need?
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Honestly, that's great. However...
Is transportation to the DMV free also? And are fees (for finding documents) waived if destitute folks don't have the documents they need?
That's were you become involved. You can donate your time to transport these people and help them with documentation. You said you wanted to help.
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That's were you become involved. You can donate your time to transport these people and help them with documentation. You said you wanted to help.
Trollin', trollin', trollin'
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Trollin', trollin', trollin'
You said you wanted to help. I gave you a solution.
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Pennsylvania’s GOP chairman, Rob Gleason, is pleased with how effective Voter ID laws were in the 2012 election. Despite President Obama’s victory, Gleason believes the laws did what they were designed to do When asked by a Pennsylvania cable news reporter earlier this week if the laws affected last year’s elections, Gleason responded: “I think we had a better election. Think about this: we cut Obama by 5 percent…I think Voter ID helped a bit in that.”
Probably discouraged all the dead people from voting.....having to show ID in rigor is quite difficult.
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You said you wanted to help. I gave you a solution.
Soulja keeps on trollin'
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Soulja keeps on trollin'
So you don't want help? You'd rather complain on an internet message board instead of getting off your ass and addressing a problem you believe exists?
And I'm a actual soldier.
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You like me for my big trucks....and huge dumpsters :D
Did you get the info?
I did, thanks, I'll probably try and set something up where I check out your facility. I was alarmed however, at the lack of information on what is the best thong to wear while hitting a "crab most muscular" :D
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I think it's a pretty good comparison though slightly exaggerated. (Exaggerated because it probably IS slightly easier for even a poor 80-year old catfood-eating senior to get to the DMV and buy an ID than it was for famished french peasants who had no bread to eat to get some cake instead.)
BTW, at Michigan State they don't know the difference between "You're" and "Your"? WTF?
is it more difficult for that 80 year old to get an id or get health insurance?
I mean your perfectly ok with mandating they have health insurance why not mandating they have an id?
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hey kore how about not mandating it but implementing a "penalty" for those that dont just like the health insurance scheme?
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is it more difficult for that 80 year old to get an id or get health insurance?
I mean your perfectly ok with mandating they have health insurance why not mandating they have an id?
He doesn't even want to help these people obtain an ID.
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Hey Kore what if we subsidized the cost of id's?
I mean I know you love those govt hand outs...
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Hey Kore what if we subsidized the cost of id's?
I mean I know you love those govt hand outs...
In my state the cost is ten bucks and it's free for anyone 65 and up. Kore won't even take the time out of his day to transport some of his fantasy old ladies.
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So you don't want help? You'd rather complain on an internet message board instead of getting off your ass and addressing a problem you believe exists?
And I'm a actual soldier.
Really? What MOS? (I was a 98G Russian.)
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is it more difficult for that 80 year old to get an id or get health insurance?
I mean your perfectly ok with mandating they have health insurance why not mandating they have an id?
Errr, aren't 80-year olds covered by medicare?
And I'm not OK with ACA -- I think single payer is the way to go (but think if it takes having ACA for a while before moving to single payer then it's worth it). I know we've talked about this before.
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hey kore how about not mandating it but implementing a "penalty" for those that dont just like the health insurance scheme?
Do you think that's warranted? After all, voting is not mandatory.
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In my state the cost is ten bucks and it's free for anyone 65 and up. Kore won't even take the time out of his day to transport some of his fantasy old ladies.
Will it only take a day if I have to drive out of state to find a place with Voter ID laws?
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Hey Kore what if we subsidized the cost of id's?
I mean I know you love those govt hand outs...
I like that idea, for sure. Waiving the fee should be the first thing done to help poor folks vote.
BTW, I don't love gov't handouts. I especially have a problem with the big ones -- I was totally against the financial bailout.
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I like that idea, for sure. Waiving the fee should be the first thing done to help poor folks vote.
BTW, I don't love gov't handouts. I especially have a problem with the big ones -- I was totally against the financial bailout.
so if the cost of obtaining an id were subsidized you would be ok with it?
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Do you think that's warranted? After all, voting is not mandatory.
the penalty would not be mandatory either, it would be contingent on you voting without an id....
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the penalty would not be mandatory either, it would be contingent on you voting without an id....
So a de facto poll tax?
Man, you ARE from the South, lol.
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So a de facto poll tax?
Man, you ARE from the South, lol.
not at all we will call it a "penalty" just like obama did in obamacare ;)
and the people always have the ability and choice to obtain an id to not get hit with the penalty...you know just like obamacare which you support...
I dont see why you would be against one but for the other but I guess your love of being inconsistent is just to strong...
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not at all we will call it a "penalty" just like obama did in obamacare ;)
and the people always have the ability and choice to obtain an id to not get hit with the penalty...you know just like obamacare which you support...
I dont see why you would be against one but for the other but I guess your love of being inconsistent is just to strong...
That doesn't make much sense but I'm too tired to explain why.
Besides, I'm pretty sure there must be a more fitting repub political issue that you can conflate with the dem objections to Voter ID laws that works a little better.