If getting lean is so easy, why is almost everyone (except trainers and elite lifters) always either permabulkers or permalardasses in gyms across the country? They seem to have no problem getting big like that Hulk guy CT Fletcher is training. But legitimately ripped people? I know about 2 per gym. Guys like galeniko are thin on the ground. Bulky guys are a dime a dozen.
Because guys like Keven "Da Hulk" Washington aren't bodybuilders and couldn't care less about being "lean", especially if they don't compete in bodybuilding shows.Yeah but ectos who get lean look like ironing boards with tiny abs and stringy arms.
Ectomorphs can get "lean" without even trying; while endomorphs look at food the wrong way and blimp up.
Getting bigger was hardly easy for me.
Yeah but ectos who get lean look like ironing boards with tiny abs and stringy arms.
Ripped is only worth it if you're relatively beefy at the end of the process.
For permabulkers, getting to that stage is the nightmare. For hardgainers, putting the muscle on and keeping it while maintain a low BF is the shitty part.
I don't think one is easier than the other. It's nature's way of making sure only a handful of people look decent. Unless they turn to drugs. Pharmaceutical companies' answer to genetic limits or laziness.
Well, we've seen endomorphic bodybuilders like former Mr. Universe, Dave Draper; and ectomorphs like former Mr. Olympia, Dexter Jackson.And Phil Heath is said to have been an ecto-meso and he's clearly stacked. There's no doubt that those guys are freaks. Give any gym rat their cycles over the same span of time and you won't see the same results.
In his younger years, Dex got sliced with no cardio; Draper probably had to cardio his brains out to get cut.
How can gaining not be easier?Exactly. I think we should distinguish between true hardgainers and guys who simply don't have much muscle and therefore qualify as skinnyfat. With the right amount of diet and patience, they can lift heavy and grow. The first category was just never going to be thick naturally. They need drugs, or just focus on wearing v-necks, tight jeans, pointy shoes, and gelling their hair before they hit the clubs to play the ripped guy angle. ;)
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Unless you're some ectofaggot?
How can gaining not be easier?
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Unless you're some ectofaggot?
Like I said dummy...It's not 4,000-5,000 calories of Double whoppers and pizza...It's rice, pasta, potatoes, lean protein sources...Low fat high carb dieting that makes quality gains..Anyone can get fat on junk food.
Give some 400lb average joe that eats 6,000 calories of Soda, and cake, and burgers 6,000 calories of basic clean bodybuilding foods, there is no fucking way they would stand a chance choking down all that dry bullshit like a pro bb does...Thats why pro bb'ers are pro's lol because non-pros cannot withstand the torture of eating 6,000 calories of dry bullshit daily...Along with all their other extreme regimens but food is probably the most commitment. You can get away with a lot of things..Weighing 300lbs like Cutler and Coleman means eating is not one of those things.
Will wait for cliffs ~
gaining fat is the easiest
then losing fat
then gaining muscle
putting real muscle on without getting fat is a tricky thing to do
unless youregenetics are phenomenalblack.
What a dumbfuck ts is. He's an infantile retard unable to control his emotions which is why it takes so much energy for his brain to processes shit ... hence his essay long retarded opinion on a retarded topic.
Let me simplify this shit for you shitbrains: you can lose fat faster than you can gain muscle; therefore, losing fat is easier than gaining muscle.
1 sentence.
Too easy, dipshit.
wrong question
you need to start from even premises
my starting point is a lean 7-8% for "gaining" which means anabolics
leaning out is burning the fat and does not require anabolics, only dieting
and ectomorphs like former Mr. Olympia, Dexter Jackson.
Also, gaining or losing is only harder/easier depending on the individual.
Gaining muscle tissue is "easier" but it takes much longer. The process of dieting is much more unpleasant, but it can be done in 2-3 months.
Muscle can only be built so fast, even on all the juice in the world. Takes years to build a quality physique
If you read the textbook definition of an ectomorph, it's not Dexter Jackson.
In fact, no ectomorph has muscle bellies like this:
(http://www.isteroids.com/bodybuilding/images/dexter_jackson1.jpg)
gaining fat is the easiest
then losing fat
then gaining muscle
putting real muscle on without getting fat is a tricky thing to do
unless your genetics are phenomenal
But wouldn't you hold onto a lot more muscle mass if using anabolics while dieting? I'd imagine that even the most genetically gifted individuals while start chewing through muscle tissue once a low enough bodyfat percentage is reached. At very low bodyfat levels, your hormonal system, which is entirely lipid based, begins to malfunction and you end up with low natural test levels and high levels of stress hormones. Hence the concentration camp look usually seen at natural bodybuilding shows.who cares about the muscle? the low bodyfat is the key. Once you get there, start the anabolics and the muscles will grow. Then the anabolics will serve their purpose
You're posting pics of how Jackson looks NOW. Remember that he used to compete as a bantamweight.
It doesn't matter. And ecto, even on massive drugs, doesn't look like that. He doesn't fit the description.
Also, according to his history, he was a lightweight in his first show, then light heavy after that. Don't know if there was anything prior to 92.
who cares about the muscle? the low bodyfat is the key. Once you get there, start the anabolics and the muscles will grow. Then the anabolics will serve their purpose
Don't see that comment going down too well on a forum called "GetBig". Low bodyfat and abs on somebody with no muscle doesn't count, that's the Justin Bieber look.
you are both missing the point. muscle don't matter when covered in fat
strip the fat then you can put the anabolics to good use
you are both missing the point. muscle don't matter when covered in fat
strip the fat then you can put the anabolics to good use
You act as if you're simply going to put on lean muscle, once that happens. It doesn't quite work that way, in most cases.It works in my case. And whomever I trained gained the same way. Lean muscle is where it's at. I can put on 25 lbs of pure muscle and even lower the bodyfat by a digit in 6 weeks tops once I start a cycle lean at 6-7%. I find it much better and the logical choice.
I can put on 25 lbs of pure muscle and even lower the bodyfat by a digit in 6 weeks tops once I start a cycle lean at 6-7%. I find it much better and the logical choice.(http://lh5.googleusercontent.com/zNwZ7yAJs1g7Zwx_mDorPZHtDQ3XIJ0PdlS1GCekNgz7Xrf83jaMmq2Gq9afRwnWWvZQtx_lk6iI2a5Tqhy7QPh6idUQuilN7Rd3Z-bmWr4v398o0BVzTA6N9w)
(http://lh5.googleusercontent.com/zNwZ7yAJs1g7Zwx_mDorPZHtDQ3XIJ0PdlS1GCekNgz7Xrf83jaMmq2Gq9afRwnWWvZQtx_lk6iI2a5Tqhy7QPh6idUQuilN7Rd3Z-bmWr4v398o0BVzTA6N9w)I posted pics you dumb ass
I posted pics you dumb ass
here's me at 74 kg then 84 after 5 weeks ..
Its water retention and glycogen retention in the muscle you daft twat, its isnt new muscle.:D
Those two pics could be carb depleted and carb loaded.
It works in my case. And whomever I trained gained the same way. Lean muscle is where it's at. I can put on 25 lbs of pure muscle and even lower the bodyfat by a digit in 6 weeks tops once I start a cycle lean at 6-7%. I find it much better and the logical choice.
:D(http://s7.postimg.org/v86j665jf/Screen_Shot_2014_03_25_at_20_27_58.png)
eating cooking and cleaning so much sucks balls
i buy prepared food (those asian things with chicken and rice) that's about to expire at 50% discount often
Haha 200mgs of dbol daily...and all you gained was refeed weight? Bwhahahaha
brutal inferior genetics
:DTranslation
It was actually injectables as well.
They are about 24 hours apart, and I weight 79 kg in the first one and 86 in the second.http://tnation.t-nation.com/free_online_forum/diet_performance_nutrition_supplements/shitloading_or_skiploading
(http://tnation.t-nation.com/forum_images/auto/r/786x0/5/b//5b762_ORIG-35782_10150208985870167_746225166_12813923_7693873_n.jpg)
http://tnation.t-nation.com/free_online_forum/diet_performance_nutrition_supplements/shitloading_or_skiploading
lol, all that gear and you could have gone to a barbecue and got the same results.
bwhahaha brutal
He will recover, Sev is getbigs 'special needs child', he is forgiven all mistakes.;D ;D ;D
Haha 200mgs of dbol daily...and all you gained was refeed weight? Bwhahahaha
brutal inferior genetics
yeah if i recall correctly it was 1.5-2 grams of test weekly in addition to the 200mgs of dbol daily.
Massive Dosages for Minimal Gains: The Art of Sucking at Every Endeavour
by Cleanest Natural/Sev
He used this, just to REGAIN weight he once had?
He used this, just to REGAIN weight he once had?sev has been doing this shit for years
sev has been doing this shit for years
do a cycle, make some gains, lose them all again, then repeat
and somehow he believes this is what makes him god's gift to bodybuilding
He's truly a delusional little muppet. But we need to realize that we're dealing with someone who literally believes in shapeshifting lizard people who control the world.i just wish he would snap out of it and stop irritating us
i just wish he would snap out of it and stop irritating us
Sev is not all there in the head. He's probably on psych meds.he recently said he would destroy simeon panda on stage
I posted pics you dumb ass
here's me at 74 kg then 84 after 5 weeks ..
Yes, the absolute hardest thing about trying to gain weight. Need a personal chef like The Rock: http://www.muscleandfitness.com/news-and-features/athletes-and-celebrities/rock-tweets-hercules-diet-plan-and-workout-pics
There is much debate over this topic in actual athletic or bodybuilding circles because it seems like everyone in the US is a fat tub of shit. But that is because of sedentary lifestyle PERIOD. And I will explain why.
Obese morons can't seem to get their shit together enough to stop eating fucking 6,000 calories of fast food every single day and lose 50-100lbs...For christ's sake. My TEMPER flares up just thinking about some fatty claiming "It's genetic" "I have skinny friends that eat 5x more than me" "slow metabolism" All the while their BMR is 1,500 cals watching tv while eating 5,000 SMDH..
Anyone who has been muscular and lean, let's say 200+lbs and semi lean, understands the work that it takes both in the gym and the kitchen. When it comes down to it though what is easier; going from a 150lb weakling to a 220lb beast, or going from 290lb to 200lbs and 6%?
I have been both places; I started training around 180lbs skinny fat...I now sit at 230lbs @ roughly 12%. I have also gone from 230 down to 180 and been very lean thus making gains - I was 180 and chubby, and 2 years later after bulking and cutting I was 180 and 6%. It took me 2 more years to slowly get back up to 230 and I am a lot leaner than the previous time I was 230, and so on.
I take the stance that gaining weight is actually much harder than losing weight..The reason I take this stance is because if you train hard, and carry some muscle, it is MUCH harder to choke down 4,500 calories of (Meat)+(Rice, Potato, Pasta, etc.) every day...And that is what is takes for me to gain weight at 230lbs is 4,000-4,500 calories per day. On the flip side what all the fatties would have you believe is that it is damn near impossible to "diet" meaning ?? 2,500 cals a day low-moderate fat/carbs? This is THE EASIEST THING YOU CAN EVER DO !!! WTF?
Eating 2,500 cals and thus LOSING WEIGHT is by far easier than gaining weight...You eat 500cals when you're hungry and boom you lose weight...Trying to get 4,500 cals of pure foods into your throat involves eating huge bowls of bullshit when you often have no appetite at all because you ate 2 hours ago...Eating becomes some chore that you begin to loath we aint talking pizza and cheesecake here, rice pilaf and meat 8 times per day baby, yum... :-X
Getting lean =
10am - coffee, scoop of whey...
3pm - chicken, pasta
8pm - salmon, rice
12am - beef, pasta
+ small snacks fruit almonds etc...Fresh yummy stuff 100 cal here and there for hunger..
boom 2,000-2,500 calories and feeling like a damn spry little kitten all day, never too full, never sluggish, no insulin issues etc...The easiest thing ever is losing weight. Gaining weight is the hard part. Given that you actually lift and don't sit on the couch all fucking day eating pizza.
Compare that to;
8am - shake: scoop whey, 100g oats, banana.
10am - eggs, potato (uncomfortably full)
12pm - chicken, pasta > (not hungry)
2:30pm - beef, rice (uncomfortably full)
5pm - chicken, rice > (not hungry)
7:30 - 2 tuna sandwich (uncomfortably full)
10pm - chicken, fries > (not hungry)
12am - cottage cheese.
EVERY SINGLE DAY to gain 10lbs of water, fat, and muscle in 1 year...IF you're lucky.
Gaining weight is obviously harder and therefor there is absolutely no excuse not to be at least lean. Just stop driving food down your throat emotionally, happy = pizza, sad = burger, mad = cake blah blah fatties...Losing weight is fucking immensely easy.
yeah if i recall correctly it was 1.5-2 grams of test weekly in addition to the 200mgs of dbol daily.he also took 1g of tren ace
Massive Dosages for Minimal Gains: The Art of Sucking at Every Endeavour
by Cleanest Natural/Sev
lots of hate for sev in this thread
say what you want but the guy knows how to get in shape
with all the information so easily available "getting in" shape isnt impressive at all,anyone can do it if they arent a complete retard .
oh that must be why everyone is walking around ripped to shreds
you must look great post a pic up for inspiration for the rest of us who struggle :)
oh that must be why everyone is walking around ripped to shredsits all about discipline bro... i dont hate sev, actually i like him he is a smart guy but his attitude sucks when it comes to bbing... he needs grams of anabolics to look like a natural lifter yet he claims to have one of the best genetics on earth.
you must look great post a pic up for inspiration for the rest of us who struggle :)
its all about discipline bro... i dont hate sev, actually i like him he is a smart guy but his attitude sucks when it comes to bbing... he needs grams of anabolics to look like a natural lifter yet he claims to have one of the best genetics on earth.Most people forget that I took gear for 6 weeks last time I posted photos.. If you can produce a physique like that in 6 weeks from nothing, my hat off to you.. I also go from couch potato to decent in 3-4 months ...
its more to do with money,time and actually caring about how you look,most people dont give ashit, and theres also not being a retard.
Most people forget that I took gear for 6 weeks last time I posted photos.. If you can produce a physique like that in 6 weeks from nothing, my hat off to you.. I also go from couch potato to decent in 3-4 months ...
im coming with 8 weeks transformation soonFunny how I get compliments from top bodybuilders and gurus for my transformations and negative stuff from people with a shittier build than mine. Wonder why...
no disrespect bro but u took too much gear for that
Ah yes, it takes great sums of money to eat less. Takes a lot more time to eat less, too.
I'm sure you could do it quite easily if you wanted to, but you're just not interested. Yup that must be it
eating clean costs more money than dirty period. Time to eat every two three hours,gym time etc most people cant be assed. When did i say i was like most people?eating clean is cheaper and healthier if you do it smart.. I bet you are not this budget conscious when you buy the latest pointless apple gadget
its more to do with money,time and actually caring about how you look,most people dont give ashit, and theres also not being a retard.
its all about discipline bro... i dont hate sev, actually i like him he is a smart guy but his attitude sucks when it comes to bbing... he needs grams of anabolics to look like a natural lifter yet he claims to have one of the best genetics on earth.
is that your way of saying you look like shit
why are you on a bb forum then ???
no it was to you saying why isnt everyone ripped. Also cleanest i dont like apple lol and wasnt hating .
eating clean is cheaper and healthier if you do it smart.. I bet you are not this budget conscious when you buy the latest pointless apple gadget
The reason is because it's difficult and unpleasant. Nothing about time/money
I agree thats also a major factor but most people i know would rather spend the money that would go on gym food drugs etc on drink,clubs rec drugs at the weekend.
are you in shape
Had a bit of a shock this morning. Got on the scale expecting to be 89-90kg and I'm 84 fucking kilograms! :-\. I asked the gym manager to check if the scales are correct and he weighed himself and confirmed his body weight. So somehow, during yesterday and last night, I dropped 5kg. That's over 10 lbs. Not good for someone that's 6'2
I'll be hitting twink status soon.
84 kilos at 6'2 I think that ships sailed mate.
I'm not going to be eating with a fork or spoon any more, but a shovel. I think it's this 5 days a week plus 20min cardio per sesh that has to stop. And I done another 25min on the treadmill today. Bad decisions and this happen :-\
I'm around 82-85kg lean at 6'2ft. :D
#TeamTwink
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