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Uh oh. :-\
Colin Kaepernick being investigated for possible sexual assault
April 10, 2014
NFC WEST, SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS
BY JOSH SANCHEZ
On Thursday afternoon, news surfaced that San Francisco 49ers quarterback Colin Kaepernick could be facing some legal trouble for a recent incident in Florida. As first reported by TMZ.com, and later confirmed by the Miami Police Department, the 49ers’ signal-caller is being investigated for a possible sexual assault incident that occurred in Miami earlier this month.
The report states that the case is in the “beginning stages” of the investigation and it is important to note that no one has been charged at this time.
There are no further details available at this time and Kaepernick has yet to comment on the allegations. The 49ers acknowledged the report, and said they are still in fact-finding mode.
“49ers organization is aware of the recent media report regarding Colin Kaepernick,” it said in a statement, “and is in the process of gathering the pertinent facts.”
Per Matt Barrows of the Sacramento Bee, 49ers receiver Quinton Patton and Seahawks wideout Ricardo Lockette are also part of the investigation, with the incident in question occurring at Lockette’s apartment in Miami.
Last month, a report surfaced that the 49ers were hoping to lock Kaepernick up to a long-term extension before the start of this year’s training camp. It will be interesting to see if allegations could delay the process and cause them to pump the brakes. The former second-round pick in the 2011 NFL draft is currently set to make a $973K base salary in 2014 as part of his rookie deal.
With the investigation ongoing, more information should be released in the coming days.
http://nfl.si.com/2014/04/10/colin-kaepernick-sexual-assault-investigation/
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It was probably with another guy.
He's a douchebag, tatt'd up yo boy. Don't like him at all. I hate how he wears his hats sideways on his head during interviews. Grow the fuck up and look like a professional.
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It was probably with another guy.
He's a douchebag, tatt'd up yo boy. Don't like him at all. I hate how he wears his hats sideways on his head during interviews. Grow the fuck up and look like a professional.
I don't like the image he is portraying, but a douchebag? I don't see that. Was a great high school student (4.0). Was a model student-athlete at Nevada. Got his degree. Never in trouble. Been solid on and off the field in the NFL so far.
But talk about bad timing. Just as he's about to ink a big contract.
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meh...
Just something about him that irks me.
I'm sure he did something to piss this young lady off. Probably broke things off with her and starting banging a friend of hers.
He'll still get his money.
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meh...
Just something about him that irks me.
I'm sure he did something to piss this young lady off. Probably broke things off with her and starting banging a friend of hers.
He'll still get his money.
Or the allegations could be entirely fabricated.
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from Espn:
Cops investigate Kaepernick, others
San Francisco 49ers quarterback Colin Kaepernick and two other NFL players are being investigated by Miami police for an incident earlier this month at a Miami hotel.
AP Photo/Marcio Jose SanchezThe 49ers say they are aware of an investigation of Colin Kaepernick and others by Miami police.
Police, contacted Thursday afternoon, confirmed that there is an investigation but would not describe or categorize the exact nature of what police are looking into.
No arrests have been made, and no charges have been filed.
According to an incident report filed with Miami police on Friday, an unnamed woman said she had an encounter with Kaepernick, 49ers wide receiver Quinton Patton and Seahawks receiver Ricardo Lockette on April 1 at the Viceroy hotel in downtown Miami. The woman told police she spent time with the three players, drinking and smoking marijuana in Lockette's apartment and eventually ending up in a bedroom with Kaepernick.
According to the report, she told police both of them removed their clothes but did not have sex. Kaepernick eventually left the room. The woman also told police, according to the report, that Patton and Lockette later opened the door and "peeked" into the room but closed the door and left after the woman told them to get out. She told police she could not remember anything after that.
TMZ.com reported earlier Thursday that Kaepernick is being investigated for an alleged sexual assault, according to law enforcement sources. Those sources told TMZ that the investigation is in its "beginning stages."
However, police would not confirm that or characterize the incident or nature of the investigation when contacted by ESPN.
49ers general manager Trent Baalke, in a statement released Thursday, said the team is aware of the report and "is in the process of gathering the pertinent facts."
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49ers are having a great offseason.....Kapernick, Culliver, and now Aldon Smith.....
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Whiskey Tango Foxtrot. This dude needs help. :-\
Aldon Smith arrested at airport
Updated: April 14, 2014
By Adam Schefter | ESPN
Los Angeles police arrested San Francisco 49ers linebacker-defensive end Aldon Smith at Los Angeles International Airport on Sunday afternoon after he indicated he was in possession of a bomb.
Smith was booked Sunday afternoon, according to LAPD Sgt. Michael Fox. Smith was charged with a false bomb report, which is punishable by up to one year in jail. He posted $20,000 bail Sunday night, according to multiple reports.
49ers general manager Trent Baalke issued a statement saying: "We are disappointed to learn of the incident today involving Aldon Smith. As this is a pending legal matter and we are still gathering the pertinent facts, we will have no further comment."
According to Los Angeles World Airports PIO Sgt. Karla Ortiz, the incident happened as the man, later identified as Smith, was going through Terminal 1 screening and was randomly selected for secondary screening.
Smith then became belligerent and uncooperative with the process and with the TSA agent, making a comment indicating that he was in possession of a bomb before proceeding toward the gate area, according to Ortiz.
Los Angeles Airport Police made contact with him at the gate and he then became uncooperative again and was detained and taken into custody by Airport Police.
Many people on the scene, including former Marine veteran Clayton Mullaly, captured the incident on video.
This incident is Smith's latest run-in with the law.
In November, Smith pleaded not guilty to three felony counts of illegal possession of an assault weapon, stemming from an incident at a party at his home in 2012.
Smith also missed five games this past season while spending time in an alcohol treatment center. He entered treatment voluntarily three days after he was arrested for drunken driving for the second time since early 2012.
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Despite the five-game absence, Smith finished with 12 sacks and 34 tackles over the course of the Niners' season, which ended in a NFC Championship Game loss to division rival Seattle.
Smith, 24, is facing charges for both the arrest for the incident at his home and the September arrest for drunk driving. This latest incident could trigger league discipline. The NFL did not suspend Smith after the September arrest. In October, commissioner Roger Goodell said the fact that Smith voluntarily sought treatment could play a role in him not getting a suspension.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/10777877/aldon-smith-detained-los-angeles-airport
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Phenomenal talent on the field but a .10 brain off of it.
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Phenomenal talent on the field but a .10 brain off of it.
I don't know what is wrong with him.
Wait. Actually I do know what part of the problem might be. I've said for years that taking a kid with poor life training and turning him into an overnight millionaire is a recipe for disaster. I remember Lawrence Taylor talking about how his drug habit started because he was walking about with six figures spending money and didn't find a productive way to spend the money.
These kids have no oversight. Nobody telling them "no." Surrounded by leaches.
I don't know if this kid had poor life training, but that could be part of the problem (along with the money).
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I don't know what is wrong with him.
Wait. Actually I do know what part of the problem might be. I've said for years that taking a kid with poor life training and turning him into an overnight millionaire is a recipe for disaster. I remember Lawrence Taylor talking about how his drug habit started because he was walking about with six figures spending money and didn't find a productive way to spend the money.
These kids have no oversight. Nobody telling them "no." Surrounded by leaches.
I don't know if this kid had poor life training, but that could be part of the problem (along with the money).
The thing about the life training is that these atheltes, especially the rookies, do receive life training at these rookie symposiums. Whether it's financial advice or advice from police officers reagrding the law, the guys do get exposed to these realities from the very start. It's up to them as to whether or not they want to heed these advices or think they are above all that. There is a % of the world population that are just plain stupid knuckleheads and always find themselves in trouble. A small number of pro athletes can and will fall under that %. These are young men who are about to earn millions of dollars and have no idea how to mentally prepare for that.
What ever happened to being just plain stupid or crazy? Enough with the excuses for his behavior or any other knucklehead.
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The thing about the life training is that these atheltes, especially the rookies, do receive life training at these rookie symposiums. Whether it's financial advice or advice from police officers reagrding the law, the guys do get exposed to these realities from the very start. It's up to them as to whether or not they want to heed these advices or think they are above all that. There is a % of the world population that are just plain stupid knuckleheads and always find themselves in trouble. A small number of pro athletes can and will fall under that %. These are young men who are about to earn millions of dollars and have no idea how to mentally prepare for that.
What ever happened to being just plain stupid or crazy? Enough with the excuses for his behavior or any other knucklehead.
A few hours in a meeting will not compensate for a failure to provide a kid with proper training during his formative years. It's too late already.
My pie in the sky solution is to make a college degree a prerequisite to playing major professional sports. Will never happen, but it would prevent a lot of this stuff IMO. Look at the knuckleheads in professional sports. How many of them have college degrees? I've never looked at the percentages, but I'd be willing to bet the overwhelming majority of professional athletes who actually finished school rarely show up on the police blotter.
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I guess this isn't as a bad as the first headline, but what the heck are they doing in a hotel room at midnight with one drunk/high naked female on the bed?? Idiots.
And this cuts directly against what I just said about college degrees, because Kaepernick graduated from Nevada. :-\
Report: Lockette called 911 after woman refused to leave apartment
Posted on April 14, 2014
by Eric Branch
Seahawks wide receiver Ricardo Lockette made a 911 call at 12:03 a.m. on April 2 after arguing with the unnamed 25-year-old woman at the center of a Miami police investigation that also involves 49ers quarterback Colin Kaepernick and wide receiver Quinton Patton, Andy Slater of 940-AM in Miami reported today.
According to a Miami police incident search report, Lockette called from the Viceroy Hotel after the woman, who was lying naked on Kaepernick’s bed, refused to leave. In response, a Crisis Intervention Team was summoned to Apt. 4710. The woman was taken to Jackson Memorial Hospital by the Miami fire department.
According to the program’s web site, Florida’s CIT is a “police response program designed for first responders who handle crisis calls involving people with mental illness including those with co-occurring substance abuse disorders.”
In a Miami police incident report taken on April 3, the woman says she blacked out after drinking shots and smoking marijuana in the players’ company and woke up in a hospital bed. The woman said she blacked out when she was naked on a bed, where she had been with Kaepernick. She said they did not have sex, but had done so in the past. The woman was reportedly given a rape test at the hospital.
On Friday, Kaepernick, on Twitter, blasted an initial report that claimed he was being investigated for sexual assault.
“The charges made in the TMZ story and other stories I’ve seen are completely wrong,” Kaepernick said. “They make things up about me that never happened. I take great pride in who I am and what I do, but I guess sometimes you have to deal with someone who makes things up …. I assure you that your faith is not misplaced.”
The players have not been charged with crimes. The investigation is being conducted by the Miami Police Department’s Special Victims Unit, which investigates sexual battery and other serious crimes.
Today, a Miami police spokesman said he had no update on the investigation.
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Charges are “not likely” to be filed today against 49ers linebacker Aldon Smith after he allegedly made a false bomb threat at Los International Airport, a spokeswoman for the Los Angeles District Attorney’s Office said. It’s possible, of course, that charges will be filed later this week.
Smith is already scheduled to appear in Santa Clara Superior Court on April 29 regarding a DUI arrest and three felony weapons charges stemming from last year.
http://blog.sfgate.com/49ers/2014/04/14/report-lockette-called-911-after-woman-refused-to-leave-apartment/
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A few hours in a meeting will not compensate for a failure to provide a kid with proper training during his formative years. It's too late already.
My pie in the sky solution is to make a college degree a prerequisite to playing major professional sports. Will never happen, but it would prevent a lot of this stuff IMO. Look at the knuckleheads in professional sports. How many of them have college degrees? I've never looked at the percentages, but I'd be willing to bet the overwhelming majority of professional athletes who actually finished school rarely show up on the police blotter.
LOL.....Earning millions of dollars will always trump an education. I do agree with your opinion of athletes with degrees not getting in trouble with the law.
An interesting parallel is the NBA. Charles Barkley's opinion is that college basketball players should stay at least 3 years, if not try to attain their degree. No more high school players jumping straight to the pro level or no more one and done college players. He thinks the quality of the NBA games would be much better because the rookies coming in would have a much more defined skill set to their game and would be more physically mature. I agree with this.
Unfortunately, this will never happen either. The only NBA player with a four year degree that I can think of that is a true superstar(or at least used to be) is Tim Duncan. He's 38 years old and a 17 year veteran. What does that tell you? lol
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LOL.....Earning millions of dollars will always trump an education. I do agree with your opinion of athletes with degrees not getting in trouble with the law.
An interesting parallel is the NBA. Charles Barkley's opinion is that college basketball players should stay at least 3 years, if not try to attain their degree. No more high school players jumping straight to the pro level or no more one and done college players. He thinks the quality of the NBA games would be much better because the rookies coming in would have a much more defined skill set to their game and would be more physically mature. I agree with this.
Unfortunately, this will never happen either. The only NBA player with a four year degree that I can think of that is a true superstar(or at least used to be) is Tim Duncan. He's 38 years old and a 17 year veteran. What does that tell you? lol
There are others in the NBA with degrees, but they are not necessarily superstars: Grant Hill (recently retired), Derek Fisher, Shane Battier, J.J. Reddick, etc. What you typically find is the same kind of person. Unlikely to see those guys at a night club at 3 a.m. with a loaded weapon in their pocket.
I agree with Barkely too. They do it in the NFL (must be three years out of high school). Don't see why they cannot do it in the NBA.
But I doubt anything changes.
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There are others in the NBA with degrees, but they are not necessarily superstars: Grant Hill (recently retired), Derek Fisher, Shane Battier, J.J. Reddick, etc. What you typically find is the same kind of person. Unlikely to see those guys at a night club at 3 a.m. with a loaded weapon in their pocket.
I agree with Barkely too. They do it in the NFL (must be three years out of high school). Don't see why they cannot do it in the NBA.
But I doubt anything changes.
I think that mainly has to do with the physicallity differences between the two sports. A young athlete has to have that physical maturity after age 20 to endure the rigors of pro football. But I think the same argument should be made for pro basketball too which supports Barkley's opinion.
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I think that mainly has to do with the physicallity differences between the two sports. A young athlete has to have that physical maturity after age 20 to endure the rigors of pro football. But I think the same argument should be made for pro basketball too which supports Barkley's opinion.
I agree.
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This is a far cry from the initial sexual assault investigation headline.
Police Release 911 Calls In Kaepernick Case
The Miami Police release 911 tapes related to the investigation of 49ers quarterback Colin Kaepernick.
Colin Kaepernick took to Twitter on Wednesday in response to the 911 tapes released in the investigation involving the San Francisco 49ers star quarterback, tweeting that he is "glad the truth is getting out."
A naked woman who referred to herself as "Jesus" is the focus of the two emergency calls placed April 1, according to 911 tapes released Tuesday.
Kaepernick weighed in less than 24 hours later on Twitter.
Police did not identify the men that made the two calls. In the first call, a man who identified himself as hotel security said a woman was in the hotel room and was refusing to leave.
"She said her name was Jesus, and she don't have no clothes on," he told the 911 operator.
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When the 911 operator asked who the woman was visiting, the guard said: "She's visiting this gentleman here."
The second call was made by another male, who requested that police come to the room because, he said, the woman was lying in bed "and she's not leaving" until a friend of his showed up.
"There's a young lady in my friend's bed," the caller says. "She says she's not leaving until she sees him ... No, no, he's not her boyfriend. He's someone she wants to sleep with."
Two days after the 911 calls were placed, an unidentified woman went to Miami police headquarters saying she was partying with Kaepernick, 49ers receiver Quinton Patton and Seattle Seahawks receiver Ricardo Lockette. She said she passed out and didn't remember anything else until waking up in the hospital.
Police have not called it a criminal investigation, referring to it instead as a "suspicious incident."
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/10897235/colin-kaepernick-san-francisco-49ers-tweets-truth-getting-regard-911-tapes
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nothing will come of this. Even tho I hate Caepernick, I'm sure his name will be cleared.
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Beach....
What do you think about the trade of Stevie Johnson coming to the 49ers?
Only cost a 4th rounder but did the 49ers need more WR's?
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Beach....
What do you think about the trade of Stevie Johnson coming to the 49ers?
Only cost a 4th rounder but did the 49ers need more WR's?
I don't know anything about this guy. On paper he has been pretty productive.
They do need help at WR. Boldin and Crabtree are the starters, but after that it is second year player Patton who has potential but hasn't done anything yet and Brandon Lloyd, who is talented but didn't play last year. There is also Baldwin who they got from KC last year (an exchange of first round busts), but I'm not sure he will even make the team.
I think they'll probably draft a WR in this draft too. What they really need is someone who can stretch the field.
RB LaMichael James is on block. Really disappointed because I thought he had a lot of potential as a Sproles type player.
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I don't know anything about this guy. On paper he has been pretty productive.
They do need help at WR. Boldin and Crabtree are the starters, but after that it is second year player Patton who has potential but hasn't done anything yet and Brandon Lloyd, who is talented but didn't play last year. There is also Baldwin who they got from KC last year (an exchange of first round busts), but I'm not sure he will even make the team.
I think they'll probably draft a WR in this draft too. What they really need is someone who can stretch the field.
RB LaMichael James is on block. Really disappointed because I thought he had a lot of potential as a Sproles type player.
Johnson is a good, productive player. I'm curious to see how well he plays with Kaepernick throwing him the ball.
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Johnson is a good, productive player. I'm curious to see how well he plays with Kaepernick throwing him the ball.
If he's a good player then he should fit in well. They really have a much better offense when both Crabtree and Boldin are in the lineup. They will supposedly use more three WR sets with Johnson. I've never seen him play.
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If he's a good player then he should fit in well. They really have a much better offense when both Crabtree and Boldin are in the lineup. They will supposedly use more three WR sets with Johnson. I've never seen him play.
He's the guy who blamed God for a dropped touchdown pass that would ve won the game.
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I don't know anything about this guy. On paper he has been pretty productive.
They do need help at WR. Boldin and Crabtree are the starters, but after that it is second year player Patton who has potential but hasn't done anything yet and Brandon Lloyd, who is talented but didn't play last year. There is also Baldwin who they got from KC last year (an exchange of first round busts), but I'm not sure he will even make the team.
I think they'll probably draft a WR in this draft too. What they really need is someone who can stretch the field.
RB LaMichael James is on block. Really disappointed because I thought he had a lot of potential as a Sproles type player.
We now have 4 legit pro bowl wide recievers on our team in Crabtree, Boldin, Johnson, and Lloyd. Plus Patton is actually that speedy guy we need to stretch downfield.
Lamichael James is a great athlete, but he fumbles the ball. And Kendall Hunter has consistently gotten more yards per carry and proven himself an all around better athlete anyways.
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We now have 4 legit pro bowl wide recievers on our team in Crabtree, Boldin, Johnson, and Lloyd. Plus Patton is actually that speedy guy we need to stretch downfield.
Lamichael James is a great athlete, but he fumbles the ball. And Kendall Hunter has consistently gotten more yards per carry and proven himself an all around better athlete anyways.
Rangers just lost 40% of their rotation last night to season ending injuries.
Looks like it'll be your A's slugging it out with the angels for first place. >:(
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He's the guy who blamed God for a dropped touchdown pass that would ve won the game.
lol. Didn't hear that one.
BTW, I think players who do the whole praying thing on field have it all wrong. They should drop to their knees and pray after they drop a TD pass, loss a fumble, get burned for a TD, throw an INT, etc.
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We now have 4 legit pro bowl wide recievers on our team in Crabtree, Boldin, Johnson, and Lloyd. Plus Patton is actually that speedy guy we need to stretch downfield.
Lamichael James is a great athlete, but he fumbles the ball. And Kendall Hunter has consistently gotten more yards per carry and proven himself an all around better athlete anyways.
Patton is a possession receiver. Not a speed guy. The kid they just drafted is supposed to be pretty fast.
James is the return guy, but I agree Hunter was better out of the backfield. Although I'm not sure James got enough touches to really be evaluated.
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Cha-ching.
Kaepernick signs six-year deal
Updated: June 4, 2014
ESPN.com news services
Colin Kaepernick and the San Francisco 49ers struck a deal Wednesday on a six-year contract extension, which sources told ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter is worth more than $110 million -- including a record $61 million guaranteed.
The deal ties Kaepernick to the 49ers through the 2020 season and puts him among the 10 highest-paid quarterbacks in the NFL. He was scheduled to have made $1.073 million this season.
"Colin's hard work and dedication have played an integral role in the recent success of the 49ers organization," general manager Trent Baalke said in a statement. "His work ethic, leadership and on-field production have positively influenced our team, and we look forward to his continued growth in all areas."
Since taking over the starting job from Alex Smith midway through the 2011 season, Kaepernick led the 49ers to their first Super Bowl in 18 years after the 2012 season -- losing by three points to Baltimore -- and then to the NFC title game again last season, a three-point defeat to eventual Super Bowl champion Seattle Seahawks.
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Colin Kaepernick, who is 21-8 as the starting QB for the San Francisco 49ers, will receive a record $61 million in guaranteed money as part of his new six-year deal.
The extension is expected to have strong implications on potential deals for Cam Newton, Andy Dalton and Alex Smith this year, along with those for Andrew Luck, Robert Griffin III and Russell Wilson next year, when they are eligible to sign their first contract extensions.
A second-round draft pick out of Nevada in 2011, Kaepernick has thrived under former NFL quarterback Jim Harbaugh -- and the coach has said how much he wants the mobile, strong-armed QB around for the long haul. Accomplishing an extension before the season is a big deal as the team begins its first year in $1.2 billion Levi's Stadium at team headquarters.
"I really expect a real breakout year for Colin. Athletically, he looks bionic," Harbaugh said during the organized team activity last week. "If you all remember the Six Million Dollar Man, that's what it looks like to me. He's very gifted and he always has been. He has the look and feel of a guy who's really going to break out, even more so than he already has. I'm really excited about everything about his game right now."
In a sensational playoff debut in January 2013 against Green Bay, Kaepernick used his speed to run for a quarterback-playoff-record 181 yards and two touchdowns. Then, in a season-opening win against the Packers last September, he threw for a career-best 412 yards and three scores.
Harbaugh remained optimistic of getting a new deal done, while Kaepernick said his only focus was on football and he was leaving it to his agents to do the rest. The quarterback had said he sought a "fair" deal.
He is regularly the first to arrive at work each morning and the last one off the field.
Kaepernick has completed 382 of 639 passes for 5,046 yards and 31 touchdowns. He also has started all six postseason games in which he has appeared, earning four wins and passing for 1,374 yards and seven touchdowns.
He said last week he hopes a Miami investigation from April that names him will soon be over.
Last month, Miami police released two calls to a 911 dispatcher saying a woman identifying herself as Jesus was lying naked in a bed and refusing to leave. The callers said the woman wanted to spend time with a third man who wasn't there.
Police say the other players involved in the case are 49ers wide receiver Quinton Patton and Seahawks receiver Ricardo Lockette. None of them has been charged with any wrongdoing.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11032829/colin-kaepernick-san-francisco-49ers-agrees-six-year-deal-worth-more-110-million
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Not sure exactly how I feel about this.
Chip Kelly hired as 49ers coach
Paul Gutierrez
ESPN Staff Writer
The San Francisco 49ers have hired Chip Kelly to be the 10th head coach in franchise history, 11 days after firing Jim Tomsula following a 5-11, one-and-done season.
Kelly, 52, interviewed with the 49ers last week. He was fired in his third season as coach of the Philadelphia Eagles with one week to go in the season and the Eagles languishing at 6-9.
"As one of the most historic franchises in the National Football League, I realize the high standards and expectations that this position demands and I embrace the challenges ahead," Kelly said in a statement. "My immediate focus is to build the best coaching staff possible, one that will maximize the abilities of each of our players and put us in the best position to win football games."
49ers CEO Jed York tweeted that he and general manager Trent Baalke selected Kelly, who will be introduced in a news conference next week, "after a thorough search."
Wide receiver Torrey Smith also tweeted about the hiring Thursday.
Kelly fits the criteria set forth by York and Baalke as a veteran coach with a big name and a clear vision -- a quick-strike offensive philosophy. It should be interesting to see how Kelly, who wanted a big say in personnel control in Philadelphia, interacts with Baalke, who, despite saying there is no iron fist in the organization, has a reputation as a personnel hard-liner.
Can Chip Kelly as coach, not GM, be the tonic for 49ers?
Chip Kelly won't have much say in personnel matters in San Francisco. Considering his track record in Philly, sticking to just coaching is best.
Chip Kelly just the coach to give Colin Kaepernick a fresh start with 49ers
If anyone can resurrect Colin Kaepernick's career, it's probably his new head coach.
Chip Kelly hiring puts pressure on Jeff Lurie, Eagles
With Chip Kelly off to San Francisco, the Eagles owner knows it's his move -- and it better be good.
"Chip possesses all the qualities we were looking for in our next head coach," Baalke said in a statement. "He has demonstrated the ability to be innovative everywhere he has coached and has had great success throughout his career. Chip's passion for the game and vision for the future of this team clearly stood out to us during the search process. He is an extremely driven individual that I look forward to working with."
Kelly, who went to Philadelphia after four seasons as coach at Oregon, had consecutive 10-6 seasons with the Eagles before this season's flameout that began with controversy over his handling of the roster.
He is just the second 49ers head coach since the 1970 AFL-NFL merger who has had previous NFL head-coaching experience (not counting Tomsula, who was an interim coach for one game before his hire). The other was Dennis Erickson, who went 9-23 in 2003 and 2004.
Kelly already has a connection with Niners senior personnel executive Tom Gamble, who had been with Kelly in Philadelphia.
Kelly was the first coach in Eagles history (and second in NFL history) to win a division title in his first season -- Philadelphia lost a wild-card round game to the New Orleans Saints -- and his 26 wins are tied with Ray Rhodes for third most by an Eagles coach in his first three seasons.
Speed meets speed
Chip Kelly's Eagles team averaged a play every 22.7 seconds in 2015, the fastest rate in the league by more than three seconds. But the 49ers were quick off the ball too, ranking fifth in time per play.
Shortest average time of possession per play - 2015
Team
Time*
Eagles 22.7
Giants 26.0
Texans 26.2
Jaguars 26.4
49ers 26.5
* In seconds
-- ESPN Stats & Information
The Eagles averaged a play once every 23.1 seconds of possession under Kelly, three seconds faster than any other team, per ESPN Stats & Information.
Philadelphia owes Kelly about $13 million over the next two years, but that total will be offset by the deal Kelly signs with San Francisco, a league source told ESPN's Darren Rovell.
Being an offensive-minded coach, Kelly fits the same bill as the seven candidates the Niners interviewed after they finished 31st in the league in total offense and last in scoring: Buffalo Bills assistant head coach/running backs coach Anthony Lynn, Cleveland Browns offensive coordinator John DeFilippo, Tampa Bay Buccaneers offensive coordinator Dirk Koetter, Cincinnati Bengals offensive coordinator Hue Jackson, former New York Giants coach Tom Coughlin and former Denver Broncos and Washington coach Mike Shanahan.
"Chip has a proven track record at both the college and NFL levels that speaks for itself," York said in a statement. "We believe strongly that he is the right man to get this team back to competing for championships. I look forward to watching Trent and Chip work closely to build a team that will make us all proud."
The 49ers had narrowed their finalists to Kelly and Shanahan earlier Thursday, sources told ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter.
Kelly's hiring also brings to mind the future of quarterback Colin Kaepernick, who is recovering from three surgeries -- left shoulder, right thumb and left knee -- and was thought to be done in Santa Clara but whose skill set fits Kelly's offense.
Kaepernick's $11.9 million salary for 2016 becomes fully guaranteed for injury come April 1, and there had been belief the team might try to trade or release him.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/14569856/san-francisco-49ers-hire-chip-kelly-next-coach
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Heath Evans ripped the move.
- Disciplined defenses dominated Chips offenses
- Chips defensive and offensive players get very tired at the end of the game
- Chip in 3 seasons averaged 30th or something in red zone scoring
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Heath Evans ripped the move.
- Disciplined defenses dominated Chips offenses
- Chips defensive and offensive players get very tired at the end of the game
- Chip in 3 seasons averaged 30th or something in red zone scoring
Not good. Although he did win with some pretty average talent.
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Not good. Although he did win with some pretty average talent.
And got rid of all the good talent.
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And got rid of all the good talent.
True. He should not be in charge of personnel decisions.
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They stink. Again.
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Well least my Niners didn't lose yesterday.
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Can we fire Jed York?? >:(
49ers announce firings of coach Chip Kelly, GM Trent Baalke
Nick Wagoner
ESPN Staff Writer
SANTA CLARA, Calif. -- The San Francisco 49ers made it official Sunday night that coach Chip Kelly has been relieved of his duties -- in addition to general manager Trent Baalke losing his job with the team.
Baalke had confirmed to a local radio station Sunday morning that he had been fired Friday, while Kelly said after the 49ers' loss in their season finale Sunday that he expected to meet with CEO Jed York to have a conversation about his future with the team.
"I have informed Trent and Chip of my decision to pursue new leadership for our football team," York said in a statement a short time later. "These types of conversations are never easy, especially when they involve people you respect personally and professionally.
"Despite my feelings for Trent and Chip, I felt the decision to change our football leadership was absolutely necessary. The performance of this team has not lived up to my expectations or those of our fans, and that is truly disappointing. We all expected to see this team progress and develop as the season went on, but unfortunately that did not happen. That is why now is the time to find a new direction for this team."
Kelly had three years remaining on his contract (the Eagles also still owe him a small portion); Baalke had two.
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Kelly said before the team's announcement that he would not be taken aback if he were let go after just one season.
"I don't think anything surprises me," Kelly said. "I live my life in vision, not circumstances, so I control what I can control, and what we can control is how we coach our players and the way we deal with them. If that's good enough, then that's good enough. If it's not good enough, then so be it. I'm proud of the way our guys played today."
ESPN's Adam Schefter reported Saturday night that the Niners were expected to dismiss Baalke and Kelly.
Soon after that report came out, Kelly said he received a call and a voicemail from York, and when he returned the call, he and York had what Kelly described as a "normal" conversation.
Despite his uncertain future, Kelly said it wasn't hard for him to coach the season's final game, a 25-23 loss to the Seattle Seahawks.
"It wasn't," he said. "I love these players, so I think if I was distracted by anything else, I wouldn't be giving them what they deserve, and they give me everything on every day, so I have to give that back to them. Those guys are awesome.
"We have a bunch of guys who just competed and gave everything they had. One thing we talk about here all the time is don't complain. We're all privileged to play this game and coach this game, so every time you have an opportunity to do it, go out and do it."
Kelly said he didn't have any players asking him about his status before the game but acknowledged there were "a lot of hugs" in the locker room after it was over.
Kelly also said he didn't feel nervous about the meeting with York and that he didn't anticipate trying to plead a case to stay.
"I don't think I'm going to 'The People's Court,'" Kelly said. "He wants to have a conversation, so I'll have a conversation with him.
"I just think it's an end-of-the-year meeting, and we'll go discuss everything positive and negative about what went on this season and see what happened."
In the locker room, multiple players spoke out on Kelly's behalf while also noting that they understand the business side of the operation and the need for the 49ers to improve.
"He's a good dude," receiver Torrey Smith said. "I understand the business side of it. I think he's a good coach. I think he's a better person. But that's how this business goes. They let good people [go] in tough spots. When we lose like we did and have a season like we had, changes are made or can be made. From coaches to players, it's all of us, and we were all a part of the problem. That's why our record was what it was."
This is the second consecutive season the 49ers have fired their coach after just one year, having fired Jim Tomsula after the 2015 campaign. It's the second time since the 1970 AFL-NFL merger that a team has replaced back-to-back coaches after only one full season each, according to the Elias Sports Bureau, with San Francisco also having done so in 1976 and '77.
Earlier Sunday, Baalke told the radio station that his firing "was the right thing to do."
"You know, I've been here since 2005, and I have a lot of respect for the organization as a whole, and the ownership, the fan base. It's difficult, but it's the right thing to do," Baalke told KNBR Radio.
Asked whether the organization needed sweeping changes, Baalke told KNBR: "Sometimes you need to reset the culture. When you have a winning culture, which we did in 2011, '12, '13 and '14, a lot of good football players. A lot of memorable games we went through together.
"Then you transition. At some point, those veteran guys move on. Blending in with younger guys, and sometimes it takes a little longer than you'd like. And this is probably one of those situations."
Baalke said the firing did not surprise him.
"We've done some awful good things," he said. "Some very successful seasons. Unfortunately regret we weren't able to bring a championship to the Bay Area, which they so deserve. I think The Faithful has been great. Wish this organization nothing but the best moving forward. I do see a bright future for them."
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/18389711/san-francisco-49ers-announce-firings-gm-trent-baalke-coach-chip-kelly
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Thank you Bill Belicheat and the Pats for Jimmy G. Bring on 2018. All the Niners need to do now is draft that Barkley kid from Penn State.
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Thank you Bill Belicheat and the Pats for Jimmy G. Bring on 2018. All the Niners need to do now is draft that Barkley kid from Penn State.
If he's there when they pick.
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If he's there when they pick.
Now that they have the 9th or 10th pick, I seriously doubt he will be there, particularly if he nails his combine and pro day workouts. Bummer.
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Just a note that Joe Montana never lost a Super Bowl and never threw an INT (much less a pick six) in a Super Bowl.
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Just a note that Joe Montana never lost a Super Bowl and never threw an INT (much less a pick six) in a Super Bowl.
In any of his 8 Super Bowl games?
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In any of his 8 Super Bowl games?
Nah just the four he won. Without a loss (or three). Or a pick. Or a fumble. Or being the beneficiary of boneheaded coaching calls. Or cheating. Or help from the refs.
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Nah just the four he won. Without a loss (or three). Or a pick. Or a fumble. Or being the beneficiary of boneheaded coaching calls. Or cheating. Or help from the refs.
Montana took some hellacious hits when playing the Giants.
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Montana took some hellacious hits when playing the Giants.
Maybe so, although he won more than he lost against the Giants.
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Maybe so, although he won more than he lost against the Giants.
As I Giants fan I can't recall that ;D
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As I Giants fan I can't recall that ;D
8-4. But I can relate. As a Niner fan I can't recall them ever losing to the Cowboys. My Cowboy hatred is so extreme that I refused to draft their players when I was playing fantasy football, before I retired as a five time champion. :D
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Another year, another snake bitten team. :-\
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Sucked and missed out on the first overall pick, again. Misery.
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Just a note that Joe Montana never lost a Super Bowl and never threw an INT (much less a pick six) in a Super Bowl.
he also was benched in a playoff game for poor play
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he also was benched in a playoff game for poor play
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Wow. He probably farted once in the huddle too.
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Wow. He probably farted once in the huddle too.
you gotta admit being benched in a playoff game is really bad, far worse than throwing an int in the super bowl especially when you played in 8 of them
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you gotta admit being benched in a playoff game is really bad, far worse than throwing an int in the super bowl especially when you played in 8 of them
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Seriously? lol Being benched in a playoff game is bad. But that was the only time in his career he was benched. And he won two Super Bowls after being benched, without throwing an INT. GOAT. :)
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Seriously? lol Being benched in a playoff game is bad. But that was the only time in his career he was benched. And he won two Super Bowls after being benched, without throwing an INT. GOAT. :)
brady won 5 and probably should've won 8
that is much better than winning 4, only playing in 4, and getting benched in a playoff game
btw montana went to my high school, but montana fans are ridiculous much like jordan fans acting like they never had a bad game
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brady won 5 and probably should've won 8
that is much better than winning 4, only playing in 4, and getting benched in a playoff game
btw montana went to my high school, but montana fans are ridiculous much like jordan fans acting like they never had a bad game
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Meh. I think going 4-4 and never throwing an INT (much less a pick six) in the Super Bowl is more impressive than losing multiple Super Bowls.
Montana fans are no different than Jordan, LeBron [insert player] fans. People are often prisoners of their generation and of the moment.
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Meh. I think going 4-4 and never throwing an INT (much less a pick six) in the Super Bowl is more impressive than losing multiple Super Bowls.
Montana fans are no different than Jordan, LeBron [insert player] fans. People are often prisoners of their generation and of the moment.
why is that more impressive, losing in the divisional round? not being good enough to make it to the super bowl not to mention being benched, that makes no sense
the montana/brady argument has been dead for years, it's not a legit debate anymore unless you are stubborn and can't admit to being wrong
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why is that more impressive, losing in the divisional round? not being good enough to make it to the super bowl not to mention being benched, that makes no sense
the montana/brady argument has been dead for years, it's not a legit debate anymore unless you are stubborn and can't admit to being wrong
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You're asking why winning Super Bowls, not throwing an INT in those Super Bowl wins, and being named Super Bowl MVP is more impressive than losing a playoff game where he was benched?
No, the argument isn't dead. There is no uniform opinion on who the GOAT is at any position. There is always room for debate, unless you are stubborn and refuse to consider opposing viewpoints. That's why, for example, even though I consider Barry Sanders the greatest RB in NFL history, I don't really argue with people who say it was actually Jim Brown, etc.
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You're asking why winning Super Bowls, not throwing an INT in those Super Bowl wins, and being named Super Bowl MVP is more impressive than losing a playoff game where he was benched?
No, the argument isn't dead. There is no uniform opinion on who the GOAT is at any position. There is always room for debate, unless you are stubborn and refuse to consider opposing viewpoints. That's why, for example, even though I consider Barry Sanders the greatest RB in NFL history, I don't really argue with people who say it was actually Jim Brown, etc.
no i'm asking why doing that is somehow more impressive than winning 5 super bowls and playing in 8, along with something like 12 conference title games how on earth does 4 rings and a playoff benching top that??
5 rings > 4 rings no matter how many losses, montana wasn't good enough to play in 5 super bowls let alone 8 and not throwing an int in that dink and dunk offense isn't that impressive
yes the argument is dead to any reasonable person that can let go of the past, being 4 out of 4 means shit especially when he got benched in a divisional round, no shame if he lost that game but to get benched is an embarrassment that should not be forgotten or dismissed, heck steve young came in and they hardly missed a beat so that hurts montana too
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no i'm asking why doing that is somehow more impressive than winning 5 super bowls and playing in 8, along with something like 12 conference title games how on earth does 4 rings and a playoff benching top that??
5 rings > 4 rings no matter how many losses, montana wasn't good enough to play in 5 super bowls let alone 8 and not throwing an int in that dink and dunk offense isn't that impressive
yes the argument is dead to any reasonable person that can let go of the past, being 4 out of 4 means shit especially when he got benched in a divisional round, no shame if he lost that game but to get benched is an embarrassment that should not be forgotten or dismissed, heck steve young came in and they hardly missed a beat so that hurts montana too
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Winning 4 Super Bowls, being the best player on the field in pretty much every one, playing much tougher competition to get there (e.g., having to go through the Cowboys, etc.), never throwing an INT is more impressive to me than winning 5 and losing 3, needing luck to win one, cheating to get there at least once, etc.
Your position is absurd. It's not factual. Like I said, there is no uniform viewpoint about the GOAT at any position in football. There are reasonable arguments both for and against Montana, Brady, Brees, Manning, Bradshaw, etc.
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Winning 4 Super Bowls, being the best player on the field in pretty much every one, playing much tougher competition to get there (e.g., having to go through the Cowboys, etc.), never throwing an INT is more impressive to me than winning 5 and losing 3, needing luck to win one, cheating to get there at least once, etc.
Your position is absurd. It's not factual. Like I said, there is no uniform viewpoint about the GOAT at any position in football. There are reasonable arguments both for and against Montana, Brady, Brees, Manning, Bradshaw, etc.
who was the better player than brady in the 5 super bowls they won? he has the record 4 super bowl mvps again topping montana
montana had an all star team, brady has won with completely different generations while the 49ers still won when montana left for the chiefs
LOL at thinking 4 super bowls is better than 5 all because he didn't throw an int i bet montana would be fine with throwing a pick for another ring HAHAHA you are insane
brady has 5 rings, montana has 4, brady has 8 conference titles, montana has 4, brady has far superior numbers with less hall of fame teammates and more mvp's
yes brady cheated, and jerry rice admitted to using stickum on his hands
this is all factual, sorry the facts don't support your insanity
but... but... he never threw an int dammit ::)
benched in a divisional round game 8)
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no i'm asking why doing that is somehow more impressive than winning 5 super bowls and playing in 8, along with something like 12 conference title games how on earth does 4 rings and a playoff benching top that??
5 rings > 4 rings no matter how many losses, montana wasn't good enough to play in 5 super bowls let alone 8 and not throwing an int in that dink and dunk offense isn't that impressive
yes the argument is dead to any reasonable person that can let go of the past, being 4 out of 4 means shit especially when he got benched in a divisional round, no shame if he lost that game but to get benched is an embarrassment that should not be forgotten or dismissed, heck steve young came in and they hardly missed a beat so that hurts montana too
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In one of his SB wins, Brady had his head in his heads crying on the sidelines thinking he lost. Atl/Seattle wins were more due to gaffes on the opposing side.
Either way, an argument can be made for both Montana and Brady. But Brady has had the benefit of playing in a division that has be collectivie unchallenging for 14 years, make the road to the Superbowl much easer. Their road last year was, statistically proven, the easist one in league history.
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In one of his SB wins, Brady had his head in his heads crying on the sidelines thinking he lost. Atl/Seattle wins were more due to gaffes on the opposing side.
Either way, an argument can be made for both Montana and Brady. But Brady has had the benefit of playing in a division that has be collectivie unchallenging for 14 years, make the road to the Superbowl much easer. Their road last year was, statistically proven, the easist one in league history.
there were gaffes on both sides in all of his super bowls, but you can't argue he played bad in any of them
yes his division was weak, but it's not like he has a losing record against other divisions
no legit argument for montana over brady, none
saw the stat that he has a record 28 playoff victories, with montana in 2nd place with 16
but as usual people romanticize the past and conveniently forget the bad parts of their career like being benched in a playoff game
the bad part of brady's career was losing in the super bowl on last minute miracle plays, what a bum ::)
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there were gaffes on both sides in all of his super bowls, but you can't argue he played bad in any of them
yes his division was weak, but it's not like he has a losing record against other divisions
no legit argument for montana over brady, none
saw the stat that he has a record 28 playoff victories, with montana in 2nd place with 16
but as usual people romanticize the past and conveniently forget the bad parts of their career like being benched in a playoff game
the bad part of brady's career was losing in the super bowl on last minute miracle plays, what a bum ::)
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Brady has had the benefit of rule changes that have benefitted scoring, a weak division every year, as well as a cloud of legitimate cheating over his head for the early dynasty years.
So, it's not cut and dry at all.
And that's not even a knock on Brady.
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In one of his SB wins, Brady had his head in his heads crying on the sidelines thinking he lost. Atl/Seattle wins were more due to gaffes on the opposing side.
Either way, an argument can be made for both Montana and Brady. But Brady has had the benefit of playing in a division that has be collectivie unchallenging for 14 years, make the road to the Superbowl much easer. Their road last year was, statistically proven, the easist one in league history.
Yes.
And don't forget Brady threw a pick six against Atlanta, only to have Atlanta hand NE the game.
But thank you for bringing reasonableness to this thread. :)
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Brady has had the benefit of rule changes that have benefitted scoring, a weak division every year, as well as a cloud of legitimate cheating over his head for the early dynasty years.
So, it's not cut and dry at all.
And that's not even a knock on Brady.
ok so how many more super bowls, conference titles, super bowl and conference title appearances, playoff wins, and overall numbers does he need for it to be more cut and dry?
he's already beating him by miles in all of those categories so how many more before you can admit it?
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Yes.
And don't forget Brady threw a pick six against Atlanta, only to have Atlanta hand NE the game.
But thank you for bringing reasonableness to this thread. :)
LOL coming back after that only enhanced his legacy
you and reasonableness are like oil and water ;)
i'm the one being reasonable here, montana is from my hometown and i hate brady and the pats
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ok so how many more super bowls, conference titles, super bowl and conference title appearances, playoff wins, and overall numbers does he need for it to be more cut and dry?
he's already beating him by miles in all of those categories so how many more before you can admit it?
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No matter how many he wins, the context I posted earlier still holds.
These guys do this for every team, but refute the major points of this article:
https://deadspin.com/why-your-team-sucks-2018-new-england-patriots-1828719849
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LOL coming back after that only enhanced his legacy
you and reasonableness are like oil and water ;)
i'm the one being reasonable here, montana is from my hometown and i hate brady and the pats
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You're not reasonable at all. I had discussions like this in high school. When you get a little older and wiser, you're able to see other points of view. But not everyone grows like that. Some remain stuck with a high school mentality. Like saying everyone agrees about something that clearly is in dispute.
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You're not reasonable at all. I had discussions like this in high school. When you get a little older and wiser, you're able to see other points of view. But not everyone grows like that. Some remain stuck with a high school mentality. Like saying everyone agrees about something that clearly is in dispute.
your whole silly argument revolves around montana never throwing an int in the super bowl
that's a middle school argument, son
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your whole silly argument revolves around montana never throwing an int in the super bowl
that's a middle school argument, son
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Nah. That's part of my argument. He is also undefeated in the Super Bowl. He also had MVP performances in every Super Bowl run. He had to go through some great teams to get to the Super Bowl. He was also just flat out stellar for almost his entire career, despite not being physically gifted and weighing about 190 pounds soaking wet. He was also incredibly smart, had great pocket presence, was accurate, and was clutch.
Despite all of that, I agree there is room for debate about the GOAT. You don't because you reason like a little kid.
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Nah. That's part of my argument. He is also undefeated in the Super Bowl. He also had MVP performances in every Super Bowl run. He had to go through some great teams to get to the Super Bowl. He was also just flat out stellar for almost his entire career, despite not being physically gifted and weighing about 190 pounds soaking wet. He was also incredibly smart, had great pocket presence, was accurate, and was clutch.
Despite all of that, I agree there is room for debate about the GOAT. You don't because you reason like a little kid.
and it's a retarded part of your argument, only a kid would reason like that luckily for you an adult is here to educate you
5 super bowls > 4 out of 4 super bowls no matter how many losses, montana was not good enough to get to more than 4 and that is fact the evidence proves it
do you think montana would finally throw a pick if he was good enough to play in 5 super bowls, or 8 like brady? possibly 9 if they win on sunday? heck if he threw a pass more than 15 yards downfield instead of that dink and dunk "west coast" offense?
name the times brady didn't have a super bowl mvp performance, he has 4 super bowl mvps a record
brady beat a bunch of shit teams for his super bowls right? those steelers, colts, seahawks, ravens, rams etc with all those hall of fame players all stink right?
montana had to beat boomer esiason, phil simms, and ken anderson yeah so much tougher competition ::)
oh did i mention he was benched in a playoff game? and did you see brady is in the title game again for a record 8th straight time? heck he could get break his own record and get a 6th ring, his playoff numbers are untouchable like wayne gretzky's career numbers
you're a stereotypical old guy stuck in your nostalgia and refuses to admit that some things have gotten better since the "good ol days"
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and it's a retarded part of your argument, only a kid would reason like that luckily for you an adult is here to educate you
5 super bowls > 4 out of 4 super bowls no matter how many losses, montana was not good enough to get to more than 4 and that is fact the evidence proves it
do you think montana would finally throw a pick if he was good enough to play in 5 super bowls, or 8 like brady? possibly 9 if they win on sunday? heck if he threw a pass more than 15 yards downfield instead of that dink and dunk "west coast" offense?
name the times brady didn't have a super bowl mvp performance, he has 4 super bowl mvps a record
brady beat a bunch of shit teams for his super bowls right? those steelers, colts, seahawks, ravens, rams etc with all those hall of fame players all stink right?
montana had to beat boomer esiason, phil simms, and ken anderson yeah so much tougher competition ::)
oh did i mention he was benched in a playoff game? and did you see brady is in the title game again for a record 8th straight time? heck he could get break his own record and get a 6th ring, his playoff numbers are untouchable like wayne gretzky's career numbers
you're a stereotypical old guy stuck in your nostalgia and refuses to admit that some things have gotten better since the "good ol days"
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I'll address some of this stream of consciousness crap. I have no idea if Montana would have thrown an INT if he played in 8 Super Bowls. Nobody knows. What a stupid question.
When did Brady not have an MVP performance in the Super Bowl? When he threw a pick six against Atlanta, should have lost, but was gifted the game by horrendous play calling.
What I said about Montana is he played much tougher competition to GET to the Super Bowl. Did you miss that part?
But my work here is done. You're a close-minded kid. It's ok. We still need people like you. :)
But I will leave you with this:
A reminder Tom Brady has thrown two of the worst interceptions in Super Bowl history
By: Steven Ruiz | January 26, 2017
It’s Throwback Thursday, and since we’ve already covered Tom Brady’s Super Bowl brilliance, we’ll take this opportunity to look back at some of his less-than-brilliant moments on the NFL’s biggest stage.
Brady has thrown four interceptions in six career Super Bowl appearances. Two of them are in the running for the worst in the history of the big game. And, thanks to some late-game heroics, neither pick ended up costing the Patriots the game, but they were still pretty awful. Let’s take a look at them…
The first came in Brady’s second Super Bowl appearance. The Patriots were up five on the Panthers with just under eight minutes remaining in the fourth. It was New England’s ball on the Carolina 9-yard-line and Brady had a chance to to put away the game.
Instead, he panicked under pressure and lofted a ball right into the waiting arms of Panthers CB Reggie Howard, who hauled in the easiest interception of his career.
Three plays later, the Panthers took the lead on an 85-yard pass from Jake Delhomme to Muhsin Muhhamad. Of course, Brady rallied New England and Adam Vinatieri would go on to kick the game-winning field goal to seal the Patriots’ second Super Bowl title, so this pick is largely forgotten.
Brady’s second awful Super Bowl interception came two years ago against the Seahawks. New England had taken its second drive down to the Seattle 10-yard-line, when, once again facing pressure, Brady threw a pass directly to the defense, leaving at least three points on the board.
Luckily, Malcolm Butler’s goal line interception late in the game made those three points irrelevant, and Brady captured his fourth ring. Had Seattle scored, they would have won the game by three points. That interception would have been costly, to say the least.
Brady is undoubtedly one of the best Super Bowl performers in NFL history, but he’s had some pretty terrible moments as well.
https://ftw.usatoday.com/2017/01/nfl-new-england-patriots-tom-brady-super-bowl-history-interceptions-stats-panthers-seahawks
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I'll address some of this stream of consciousness crap. I have no idea if Montana would have thrown an INT if he played in 8 Super Bowls. Nobody knows. What a stupid question.
it's a point not a question, point is we'll never know because he wasn't good enough to get to 5 let alone 8
When did Brady not have an MVP performance in the Super Bowl? When he threw a pick six against Atlanta, should have lost, but was gifted the game by horrendous play calling.
fact he was super bowl mvp, all you have is excuses
What I said about Montana is he played much tougher competition to GET to the Super Bowl. Did you miss that part?
he did not, that's the part you missed, players were not bigger faster and stronger in the 80's you moron
But my work here is done. You're a close-minded kid. It's ok. We still need people like you. :)
But I will leave you with this:
A reminder Tom Brady has thrown two of the worst interceptions in Super Bowl history
By: Steven Ruiz | January 26, 2017
It’s Throwback Thursday, and since we’ve already covered Tom Brady’s Super Bowl brilliance, we’ll take this opportunity to look back at some of his less-than-brilliant moments on the NFL’s biggest stage.
Brady has thrown four interceptions in six career Super Bowl appearances. Two of them are in the running for the worst in the history of the big game. And, thanks to some late-game heroics, neither pick ended up costing the Patriots the game, but they were still pretty awful. Let’s take a look at them…
The first came in Brady’s second Super Bowl appearance. The Patriots were up five on the Panthers with just under eight minutes remaining in the fourth. It was New England’s ball on the Carolina 9-yard-line and Brady had a chance to to put away the game.
Instead, he panicked under pressure and lofted a ball right into the waiting arms of Panthers CB Reggie Howard, who hauled in the easiest interception of his career.
Three plays later, the Panthers took the lead on an 85-yard pass from Jake Delhomme to Muhsin Muhhamad. Of course, Brady rallied New England and Adam Vinatieri would go on to kick the game-winning field goal to seal the Patriots’ second Super Bowl title, so this pick is largely forgotten.
Brady’s second awful Super Bowl interception came two years ago against the Seahawks. New England had taken its second drive down to the Seattle 10-yard-line, when, once again facing pressure, Brady threw a pass directly to the defense, leaving at least three points on the board.
Luckily, Malcolm Butler’s goal line interception late in the game made those three points irrelevant, and Brady captured his fourth ring. Had Seattle scored, they would have won the game by three points. That interception would have been costly, to say the least.
Brady is undoubtedly one of the best Super Bowl performers in NFL history, but he’s had some pretty terrible moments as well.
https://ftw.usatoday.com/2017/01/nfl-new-england-patriots-tom-brady-super-bowl-history-interceptions-stats-panthers-seahawks
who the fuck cares other than morons like you about his "terrible moments" especially when he won those games and was GREAT enough overall to be mvp, jesus christ you might be the dumbest troll i've ever argued with on the sports forum, only topped by that filipino 49ers fan that hasn't posted here since the 49ers lost to the ravens ending his stupid "we're undefeated in super bowls" bragging rights BS, are you the same guy?
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joe flacco won a super bowl and didn't throw an int, 1 for 1 in super bowls
peyton manning threw a couple and went 2 for 4 in super bowls
flacco > manning
right??
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I'm not reading or responding to that imbededd crap.
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joe flacco won a super bowl and didn't throw an int, 1 for 1 in super bowls
peyton manning threw a couple and went 2 for 4 in super bowls
flacco > manning
right??
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What kind of stupid question is that? You trying to corner the market on stupid questions on this board?
Just stop already. What you know about football can fit in a thimble.
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I'm not reading or responding to that imbededd crap.
i think you mean "embedded"
you won't respond because you know you are owned
hey did you see brady is going back to the super bowl for a 9th time, more than double montana
trust me i hate the pats, but it is what it is ;)
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i think you mean "embedded"
you won't respond because you know you are owned
hey did you see brady is going back to the super bowl for a 9th time, more than double montana
trust me i hate the pats, but it is what it is ;)
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I don't care about grammar on a message board.
I'm not responding because I didn't read it. I don't have the patience for it. I have internet ADD. If you want to post it correctly I'll read it.
Yes I see Brady going back to the Super Bowl. The 9th time is impressive. I could care less if it's double Montana or anyone else.
I hate the Pats and I'm not a Brady fan, but I think there is an argument for him as GOAT. As well as Montana, Brees, Bradshaw, Favre, Manning, etc. That's what informed, open-minded people do.
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I don't care about grammar on a message board.
I'm not responding because I didn't read it. I don't have the patience for it. I have internet ADD. If you want to post it correctly I'll read it.
Yes I see Brady going back to the Super Bowl. The 9th time is impressive. I could care less if it's double Montana or anyone else.
I hate the Pats and I'm not a Brady fan, but I think there is an argument for him as GOAT. As well as Montana, Brees, Bradshaw, Favre, Manning, etc. That's what informed, open-minded people do.
i hate brady and the pats too, but it is what it is
brees, bradshaw, and favre are not even close to being in the goat conversation
it's brady by a long shot... then montana, manning
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i hate brady and the pats too, but it is what it is
brees, bradshaw, and favre are not even close to being in the goat conversation
it's brady by a long shot... then montana, manning
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Yes, they are all in the conversation. Brees in particular has a case, particularly given his size. What he has accomplished is as impressive as any QB in NFL history.
I've having this same conversation with two other people. One says Brady, one says Montana. I say there is a case to be made for everyone I mentioned. And no one is calling each other stupid, etc.
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Yes, they are all in the conversation. Brees in particular has a case, particularly given his size. What he has accomplished is as impressive as any QB in NFL history.
I've having this same conversation with two other people. One says Brady, one says Montana. I say there is a case to be made for everyone I mentioned. And no one is calling each other stupid, etc.
brees is arguably the best qb of all time? because he's short?
ok... ???
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brees is arguably the best qb of all time? because he's short?
ok... ???
Dude you love to cherry pick. lol Yeah, and that makes Doug Flutie the GOAT too.
I said what he has accomplished (i.e., what he did on the field) is particularly impressive given his size, not that he is arguably the GOAT because of his size. So no, just because someone is short doesn't make them great. He's just at a disadvantage. In spite of that, he produced more than almost every QB in NFL history and he won a Super Bowl.
You also have to use the eyeball test (if you watch the game). He has been stellar for pretty much his entire career. In his case, he has the numbers to back up his outstanding play.
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Dude you love to cherry pick. lol Yeah, and that makes Doug Flutie the GOAT too.
I said what he has accomplished (i.e., what he did on the field) is particularly impressive given his size, not that he is arguably the GOAT because of his size. So no, just because someone is short doesn't make them great. He's just at a disadvantage. In spite of that, he produced more than almost every QB in NFL history and he won a Super Bowl.
You also have to use the eyeball test (if you watch the game). He has been stellar for pretty much his entire career. In his case, he has the numbers to back up his outstanding play.
you argue montana because he never threw an int in the super bowl, and then you argue brees with one super bowl and several years missing playoffs altogether???
and yeah he has numbers, guy has been throwing at least 50 times a game for 10 years or so
i thought he was slightly overrated before, a hall of famer but not an all timer, you take it to a whole other level
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you argue montana because he never threw an int in the super bowl, and then you argue brees with one super bowl and several years missing playoffs altogether???
and yeah he has numbers, guy has been throwing at least 50 times a game for 10 years or so
i thought he was slightly overrated before, a hall of famer but not an all timer, you take it to a whole other level
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No I did not say Montana was the GOAT because he never threw an INT in his four Super Bowl wins. I mentioned that is a part of his awesome legacy. Go back and read the other factors I listed.
Brees averaged 37.1 passes a game for his career, not 50. And simply throwing a lot of passes doesn't make a QB arguably the GOAT. Otherwise we'd be talking about Dan Fouts and Dan Marino. Or even Warren Moon.
Brees overrated?? Please. He has been underrated for most of his career. His numbers are staggering. He his accurate. His pocket awareness is terrific. He sees the field as well as any QB I've ever seen. He has thrown for more yards than any QB in NFL history and is second all time in TDs. And he wins.
Do I think Brees is the GOAT? No, but I think you can make a reasonable argument for him. If you're openminded and follow the game.
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No I did not say Montana was the GOAT because he never threw an INT in his four Super Bowl wins. I mentioned that is a part of his awesome legacy. Go back and read the other factors I listed.
Brees averaged 37.1 passes a game for his career, not 50. And simply throwing a lot of passes doesn't make a QB arguably the GOAT. Otherwise we'd be talking about Dan Fouts and Dan Marino. Or even Warren Moon.
Brees overrated?? Please. He has been underrated for most of his career. His numbers are staggering. He his accurate. His pocket awareness is terrific. He sees the field as well as any QB I've ever seen. He has thrown for more yards than any QB in NFL history and is second all time in TDs. And he wins.
Do I think Brees is the GOAT? No, but I think you can make a reasonable argument for him. If you're openminded and follow the game.
i think marino is better than brees, he had huge numbers in an era where the league didn't protect the qb and receivers, 48 touchdowns back in 84 would be like 63 touchdowns today
brees wins? one year he won, many years he missed the playoffs entirely and that super bowl was 9 years ago, what have the saints done since then other then bitch about a bad call when the only reason they had home field to begin with was horrendous pass interference calls against the steelers
he is not in the argument for GOAT, he's top 15 all time at best, 4th best of his era behind brady, peyton, and rodgers
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The Brady vs. Montana debate is like the Jordan vs. LeBron debate
My take:
When choosing a franchise QB that I want to build a team around for 10-15 years: Brady
When choosing a QB for a single season or a single game (including Super Bowl): Montana
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guy just won a 6th super bowl, which by himself is more than all but one team
and you guys still think this is a debate ::)
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guy just won a 6th super bowl, which by himself is more than all but one team
and you guys still think this is a debate ::)
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If it was the same rules in both eras....
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If it was the same rules in both eras....
No, not even close. QB's can't be touched now plus the hits on defenseless receivers, cut in practice times for game prep, etc.
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If it was the same rules in both eras....
pats have 6 super bowls since 2001 season
nobody else even has 3 in that time span
stop blaming the rules or any other excuse you can think of
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pats have 6 super bowls since 2001 season
nobody else even has 3 in that time span
stop blaming the rules or any other excuse you can think of
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The Pats have done something as an organization that no other NFL organization has ever done but they have had the same QB for almost 20 years. The NFL rule changes have definitely extended Brady's career. Bradshaw, Aikman, Young, Montana, Unitas, Namath, etc, etc, would have played a lot longer as well if you couldn't hit them hard when they played.
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The Pats have done something as an organization that no other NFL organization has ever done but they have had the same QB for almost 20 years. The NFL rule changes have definitely extended Brady's career. Bradshaw, Aikman, Young, Montana, Unitas, Namath, etc, etc, would have played a lot longer as well if you couldn't hit them hard when they played.
so what makes you think they would have 6 rings?
they also didn't take care of their body and overall health as well as brady, and probably didn't have his passion for the game either
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so what makes you think they would have 6 rings?
they also didn't take care of their body and overall health as well as brady, and probably didn't have his passion for the game either
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They have 6 rings because they are the best organization in the NFL right now. They have the best coach, coaching staff and an owner willing to let Belichick do what he wants with the roster. When Brady got her a decade ago they went 11-5 with Matt Cassell but lost early in the playoffs.
All that being said there is simply no way Brady would have played this long in an earlier era. Look at some of the hits those other guys I listed took to the head in their careers that Brady has never taken because of the rule changes. The NFL even changed the rules after Brady blew his knee out to not allow defensive players to hit a QB in his knees as well. So now you can't hit the QB high or low. Brady rarely gets hit now so it has extended his career for years which we won't know how many until he retires. Drew Brees and Aaron Rogers will also probably play well into their 40's as well as many other QB's in the future.
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why why do brees and rodgers only have 1 ring each? they play under the same rules as brady
brady rarely gets hit because he plays smart, unlike ben and rodgers trying to make a play even when no play is there to be made
he had 3 rings before the favorable rule changes with a far less impressive roster than any montana, bradshaw, and aikman
best coaching staff? are they the only team to ever have a great coaching staff? what have those coaches won without brady? all of those coaches that became head coaches elsewhere failed miserably
montana, aikman, and bradshaw had the same roster for their run, brady has won with a completely different team and with far less hall of fame teammates
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why why do brees and rodgers only have 1 ring each? they play under the same rules as brady
brady rarely gets hit because he plays smart, unlike ben and rodgers trying to make a play even when no play is there to be made
he had 3 rings before the favorable rule changes with a far less impressive roster than any montana, bradshaw, and aikman
best coaching staff? are they the only team to ever have a great coaching staff? what have those coaches won without brady? all of those coaches that became head coaches elsewhere failed miserably
montana, aikman, and bradshaw had the same roster for their run, brady has won with a completely different team and with far less hall of fame teammates
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Why do you think I am shitting on Brady? Are you really Gisele defending your husband? No shit Brady is awesome AND he plays for the best coach AND the best organization AND rule changes have allowed him to play at a high level for a much longer time.
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Why do you think I am shitting on Brady? Are you really Gisele defending your husband? No shit Brady is awesome AND he plays for the best coach AND the best organization AND rule changes have allowed him to play at a high level for a much longer time.
why do you think i am upset about you being wrong about brady?
that's one thing i never understood about getbig, you type more than one line it's a "meltdown"
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why do you think i am upset about you being wrong about brady?
that's one thing i never understood about getbig, you type more than one line it's a "meltdown"
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Nothing I said was wrong about Brady.
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Thank you Arizona. :) Good draft. We are looking good on paper. Wish they would sign Eric Berry.
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Thank you Arizona. :) Good draft. We are looking good on paper. Wish they would sign Eric Berry.
You're joking, right? Arizona has set themselves up to be at the bottom of their division for the next 5 years at least. You must be a Rams, 49'ers or Seahawks fan.
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You're joking, right? Arizona has set themselves up to be at the bottom of their division for the next 5 years at least. You must be a Rams, 49'ers or Seahawks fan.
I'm a Niner fan. I love the fact Arizona drafted Murray and that Bosa fell to the Niners at no. 2.
Regarding Murray, I never watched him play. Just highlights. He looks like a terrific player.
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I'm a Niner fan. I love the fact Arizona drafted Murray and that Bosa fell to the Niners at no. 2.
Regarding Murray, I never watched him play. Just highlights. He looks like a terrific player.
Yes, Arizona should have taken Bosa OR even better, traded out of the number 1 pick and gotten multiple picks as this team is not going to be saved by one guy. Add the fact that they hired a college coach who was run out of his alma mater at Texas Tech where he couldn't even win with Patrick Mahomes at QB. There is a reason why some organizations are always at the bottom.
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Yes, Arizona should have taken Bosa OR even better, traded out of the number 1 pick and gotten multiple picks as this team is not going to be saved by one guy. Add the fact that they hired a college coach who was run out of his alma mater at Texas Tech where he couldn't even win with Patrick Mahomes at QB. There is a reason why some organizations are always at the bottom.
We shall see. Generally very difficult to evaluate a draft till years later. Teams miss every single year.
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That defense is legit. Bosa is a stud. 7-0 without their two starting offensive tackles and without the best FB in football, all of whom should return soon.
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That defense is legit. Bosa is a stud. 7-0 without their two starting offensive tackles and without the best FB in football, all of whom should return soon.
Yeah, this squad is dominant and should only get better into the second half of the season.
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Yeah, this squad is dominant and should only get better into the second half of the season.
About time. Making the NFL season fun again.
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The NFL season is finally fun again. :)
49ers reach midpoint at 8-0 just 2 years after 0-8 start
Josh Dubow, Ap Pro Football Writer Updated November 1, 2019
https://www.sfgate.com/sports/article/49ers-reach-midpoint-at-8-0-just-2-years-after-14802919.php
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The NFL season is finally fun again. :)
49ers reach midpoint at 8-0 just 2 years after 0-8 start
Josh Dubow, Ap Pro Football Writer Updated November 1, 2019
https://www.sfgate.com/sports/article/49ers-reach-midpoint-at-8-0-just-2-years-after-14802919.php
Just beat NE.
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Just beat NE.
I hope someone beats them. KC, Baltimore, etc. Wouldn't want to have to play NE and the refs in the Super Bowl.
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I hate kickers. >:(
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10-1. With my Lakers winning and the University of Hawaii at least not playing likes, I am finally a happy sports fan again. It has been a miserable past ten years or so.
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Something special going on in the Bay Area. Barring additional major injuries, I see them playing the Ravens in the Super Bowl. Would be a great rematch.
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Something special going on in the Bay Area. Barring additional major injuries, I see them playing the Ravens in the Super Bowl. Would be a great rematch.
This team reminds me of '81.
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This team reminds me of '81.
Yeah that was a young team. Start of a dynasty.
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They had 5 defensive starters out so I wouldn't worry. If they are healthy for the playoffs they will be a very tough out.
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They had 5 defensive starters out so I wouldn't worry. If they are healthy for the playoffs they will be a very tough out.
Yeah you're right.
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It's about to go down. I have a date with my TV this Sunday. It's so nice to be getting ready for the playoffs in December instead of trying to figure out who we will be drafting at the top of the first round.
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It's about to go down. I have a date with my TV this Sunday. It's so nice to be getting ready for the playoffs in December instead of trying to figure out who we will be drafting at the top of the first round.
That was a nail biter...
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That was a nail biter...
Right? And the Laker game was on at the same time. I was exhausted. lol
Nice to be invested in the playoffs instead of scoping out the NFL draft.
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Right? And the Laker game was on at the same time. I was exhausted. lol
Nice to be invested in the playoffs instead of scoping out the NFL draft.
Yeah, haven't been invested in a few years. They have built a nice team. Jimmy G is really turning into a great QB.
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Again, this team reminds me so much of '81.
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Yeah, haven't been invested in a few years. They have built a nice team. Jimmy G is really turning into a great QB.
This might be the year. It has been twenty-five years.
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This might be the year. It has been twenty-five years.
it's been 50 years for the chiefs
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it's been 50 years for the chiefs
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And I thought I had it bad. lol
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it's been 50 years for the chiefs
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Chiefs will win it all. Mahomes is on fire and definitely a special player. I would take him over Lamar as my QB all day, every day.
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9ers FTW this year.
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Should be a great game.
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Should be a great game.
Yeah, it's like playing a Russell Wilson with more weapons at his disposal.
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KC all day. Mahommes is too good, even against that 49er defense.
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maybe the madden curse will get mahomes
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Yeah, it's like playing a Russell Wilson with more weapons at his disposal.
Will definitely be a test. On the other hand, I don't think KC has faced a defense as good as SF this season.
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KC all day. Mahommes is too good, even against that 49er defense.
I thought the same thing about the Ravens and Jackson against everyone in the AFC. But that's why they play the game. Any given Sunday.
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I thought the same thing about the Ravens and Jackson against everyone in the AFC. But that's why they play the game. Any given Sunday.
Was in Vegas for the conference championships.
Bet KC -7 (didn't like this but HAD to bet since I was watching game) and SF -8 (liked this a ton).
2 wins, + a teaser win.
Going with........SF, since they were my pre playoff pick.
Mahomes IS awesome though.
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Was in Vegas for the conference championships.
Bet KC -7 (didn't like this but HAD to bet since I was watching game) and SF -8 (liked this a ton).
2 wins, + a teaser win.
Going with........SF, since they were my pre playoff pick.
Mahomes IS awesome though.
I'll obviously be rooting for my Niners, but I think this is a pick em game. I have no idea how it will turn out.
I agree Mahomes is awesome. I'm not sure he holds up for four quarters against the Niner D line. With Dee Ford healthy, I think the pressure is coming. He's going to have trouble getting the ball down the field. But I think he'll still find a way to help them score.
I also think Shanahan has done a brilliant job game planning/calling plays. I just hope he doesn't have a brain cramp like he did against NE when he was with Atlanta.
On a personal note, it would be nice to celebrate on Sunday because that Kobe loss was a real gut punch.
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I'll obviously be rooting for my Niners, but I think this is a pick em game. I have no idea how it will turn out.
I agree Mahomes is awesome. I'm not sure he holds up for four quarters against the Niner D line. With Dee Ford healthy, I think the pressure is coming. He's going to have trouble getting the ball down the field. But I think he'll still find a way to help them score.
I also think Shanahan has done a brilliant job game planning/calling plays. I just hope he doesn't have a brain cramp like he did against NE when he was with Atlanta.
On a personal note, it would be nice to celebrate on Sunday because that Kobe loss was a real gut punch.
Pass rush will prevent long looks downfield, just like with Rogers.
I will say the Chiefs defense surprised me with how they handled Henry.
As you say, it's a coin flip right now.
SF getting #6 and Jimmy G winning would bother Pats fans, so I'll go with that, lol.
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Good game. The better team won. I never believed that “defense wins championships” line. Give me a great offense over a great defense every time.
The Niners have a lot of great pieces to work with. They need help in the secondary. Sherman needs to retire, or play nickel. They need another WR, although I’m interested to see what Jalen Hurd can do.
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Good game. The better team won. I never believed that “defense wins championships” line. Give me a great offense over a great defense every time.
The Niners have a lot of great pieces to work with. They need help in the secondary. Sherman needs to retire, or play nickel. They need another WR, although I’m interested to see what Jalen Hurd can do.
defenses do win championships, your coach made bad play calls just like he did when he was with the falcons
is mahomes the first guy to not be affected by being on the cover of madden?
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defenses do win championships, your coach made bad play calls just like he did when he was with the falcons
is mahomes the first guy to not be affected by being on the cover of madden?
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Yes Shanahan did a lousy job calling plays in the second half.
Offense won this championship, like it does almost every year. Only notable championships I can think of that had to ride their defense were the Bucs with Brad Johnson at QB and the Bears with McMahan at QB.
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Yes Shanahan did a lousy job calling plays in the second half.
Offensive won this championship, like it does almost every year. Only notable championships I can think of that had to ride their defense were the Bucs with Brad Johnson at QB and the Bears with McMahan at QB.
patriots in 2001
steelers in 2005 and 2008
seattle 2013
ravens 2000
steelers in the 70's
that's just off the top of my head, i'm sure there are more but these teams don't get anywhere near the super bowl without their defense
for whatever reason shanahan likes to throw the ball when his team has a double digit lead
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patriots in 2001
steelers in 2005 and 2008
seattle 2013
ravens 2000
steelers in the 70's
that's just off the top of my head, i'm sure there are more but these teams don't get anywhere near the super bowl without their defense
for whatever reason shanahan likes to throw the ball when his team has a double digit lead
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Didn’t Brady lead his team to the game winning FG in 2001?
The 05 and 08 Steelers had a great D, but offense won those championships.
The 2000 Ravens had a great D, but they scored a lot of points, including 34 in the Super Bowl. Yes they held the Giants to 7 points.
The 70s Steelers? With Bradshaw, Franco, Swan, and Stallworth? Yes the Steel Curtain was awesome, but without that offense they were not winning those Super Bowls.
No question great defenses contribute to championships. I’m just saying if it’s a contest between a great offense and a great defense, I’m taking the O.
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Didn’t Brady lead his team to the game winning FG in 2001?
The 05 and 08 Steelers had a great D, but offensive won those championships.
The 2000 Ravens had a great D, but they scored a lot of points, including 34 in the Super Bowl. Yes they held the Giants to 7 points.
The 70s Steelers? With Bradshaw, Franco, Swan, and Stallworth? Yes the Steel Curtain was awesome, but without that offense they were not winning those Super Bowls.
No question great defenses contribute to championships. I’m just saying if it’s a contest between a great offense and a great defense, I’m taking the O.
game winning FG wow what a great qb getting them into position to kick 48 yard FG and with about 130 total passing yards LOL
ben had about 17 touchdowns and 14 interceptions those super bowl years, defense carried his fat ass, makes me sick when people give him all the credit for those super bowls, team hasn't been close to the super bowl since the defense became a weak point
2000 ravens are remembered for their defense, not offense and that is not a debate
bradshaw has 4 rings yet is never mentioned among the all time greats, same with chuck noll, it all about that defense, swann and stallworth had to wait many years to get into the hall and look at their numbers they aren't very impressive
i forgot the giants too, they won with jeff hostetler for christ sake and the giants D line made brady's life miserable but eli gets the credit for two lucky catches
the broncos in 2015 with washed up peyton who got benched for brock osweiler during the season
name the team that won a super bowl with weak defense
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game winning FG wow what a great qb getting them into position to kick 48 yard FG and with about 130 total passing yards LOL
ben had about 17 touchdowns and 14 interceptions those super bowl years, defense carried his fat ass, makes me sick when people give him all the credit for those super bowls, team hasn't been close to the super bowl since the defense became a weak point
2000 ravens are remembered for their defense, not offense and that is not a debate
bradshaw has 4 rings yet is never mentioned among the all time greats, same with chuck noll, it all about that defense, swann and stallworth had to wait many years to get into the hall and look at their numbers they aren't very impressive
i forgot the giants too, they won with jeff hostetler for christ sake and the giants D line made brady's life miserable but eli gets the credit for two lucky catches
the broncos in 2015 with washed up peyton who got benched for brock osweiler during the season
name the team that won a super bowl with weak defense
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Yes, the NE offense, not their D, drove for the game winning FG in 01.
Never said Ben carried the Steelers.
I know what the 2000 Ravens are remembered for. I’m telling you why I think they won the Super Bowl.
So because people talk more about the Steel Curtain than their offense, and most people don’t consider Bradshaw to be the GOAT, the defense carried them to Super Bowl wins? So forget about the fact Bradshaw, Franco, Stallworth, and Swan were Hall of Fame players? Are you kidding? Four HOF skill position players, not counting their offensive line?
Denver won when Terrell Davis showed up.
I don’t know if any team has ever won a championship with a “weak” defense OR a “weak” offense. One is usually stronger than the other. Maybe the Bucs with Johnson had a relatively weak offense.
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Yes, the NE offense, not their D, drove for the game winning FG in 01.
Never said Ben carried the Steelers.
I know what the 2000 Ravens are remembered for. I’m telling you why I think they won the Super Bowl.
So because people talk more about the Steel Curtain than their offense, and most people don’t consider Bradshaw to be the GOAT, the defense carried them to Super Bowl wins? So forget about the fact Bradshaw, Franco, Stallworth, and Swan were Hall of Fame players? Are you kidding? Four HOF skill position players, not counting their offensive line?
Denver won when Terrell Davis showed up.
I don’t know if any team has ever won a championship with a “weak” defense OR a “weak” offense. One is usually stronger than the other. Maybe the Bucs with Johnson had a relatively weak offense.
so one drive to get into FG position means they had a great offense? not the pats defense holding the greatest show on turf to 17 points i think? not ty law intercepting warner and returning it about 80 yards for a touchdown?
i'm telling you why you are wrong about the ravens winning the super bowl
yes the steelers steel curtain defense carried them, i'm in pittburgh absolutely nobody talks about that offense, the offense was good the defense was all time great
most in pittsburgh consider ben and antonio brown to be better than bradshaw, stallworth and swann
terrel davis played on the 2015 super bowl team? that broncos team in the late 90's also had great defense so not sure what you are arguing
i gave you plenty examples of teams carried by their defense, just because their offense had a good game or two or one drive to get them into field goal position doesn't mean the offense was great
your coach lost you the game, not your offense
shanahan is like most people that don't learn from their mistakes and get stuck in bad habits
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so one drive to get into FG position means they had a great offense? not the pats defense holding the greatest show on turf to 17 points i think? not ty law intercepting warner and returning it about 80 yards for a touchdown?
i'm telling you why you are wrong about the ravens winning the super bowl
yes the steelers steel curtain defense carried them, i'm in pittburgh absolutely nobody talks about that offense, the offense was good the defense was all time great
most in pittsburgh consider ben and antonio brown to be better than bradshaw, stallworth and swann
terrel davis played on the 2015 super bowl team? that broncos team in the late 90's also had great defense so not sure what you are arguing
i gave you plenty examples of teams carried by their defense, just because their offense had a good game or two or one drive to get them into field goal position doesn't mean the offense was great
your coach lost you the game, not your offense
shanahan is like most people that don't learn from their mistakes and get stuck in bad habits
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Sorry I thought you mentioned Elway instead of Peyton. Multi-tasking. lol
You have to be joking about the Steelers. Who cares what people say? You can downplay the fact they had four HOF skill position players on the field at the same, plus a HOF center, but I don't.
Yes, Shannon called a lousy second half. I definitely put part of the blame on him, but the better team won. On to next year.
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Sorry I thought you mentioned Elway instead of Peyton. Multi-tasking. lol
You have to be joking about the Steelers. Who cares what people say? You can downplay the fact they had four HOF skill position players on the field at the same, plus a HOF center, but I don't.
Yes, Shannon called a lousy second half. I definitely put part of the blame on him, but the better team won. On to next year.
well why isn't a 4 time super bowl winning qb ever mentioned among the best ever? brady got to 4 rings and people started calling him the goat, bradshaw was the first to get there yet was never called the best
why did it take swann and stallworth about 15 years or so to get into the hall of fame if they were so great?
not downplaying them, i'm telling it how it is there is a reason that defense is still praised to this day, they were the stars
the 49ers were always thought to be the better team, i still think they are and mahomes wasn't great he threw 2 interceptions and completed 26 out of 42 passes, the 49ers gave up so i hardly count that last rushing touchdown
that game proved coaching matters not having the best offense
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well why isn't a 4 time super bowl winning qb ever mentioned among the best ever? brady got to 4 rings and people started calling him the goat, bradshaw was the first to get there yet was never called the best
why did it take swann and stallworth about 15 years or so to get into the hall of fame if they were so great?
not downplaying them, i'm telling it how it is there is a reason that defense is still praised to this day, they were the stars
the 49ers were always thought to be the better team, i still think they are and mahomes wasn't great he threw 2 interceptions and completed 26 out of 42 passes, the 49ers gave up so i hardly count that last rushing touchdown
that game proved coaching matters not having the best offense
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We're not talking about whether they were the greatest of all time. We're talking about whether they had a great offense. They clearly did. What difference does it make if it took a while for them to get in the HOF? Theyr'e in. Bradshaw, Franco, Swan, Stallworth, and Webster are among the best to ever play the game, but the issue is whether they were part of a great offense. They were.
I thought the Niners might have had the better overall team, but they didn't play like the better team for four quarters. Plus KC's offense was just too good. Even with Shanahan's poor second half play calling, KC still had to score twice in the fourth quarter, against a great defense. That's what ultimately won the game IMO.
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game winning FG wow what a great qb getting them into position to kick 48 yard FG and with about 130 total passing yards LOL
ben had about 17 touchdowns and 14 interceptions those super bowl years, defense carried his fat ass, makes me sick when people give him all the credit for those super bowls, team hasn't been close to the super bowl since the defense became a weak point
2000 ravens are remembered for their defense, not offense and that is not a debate
bradshaw has 4 rings yet is never mentioned among the all time greats, same with chuck noll, it all about that defense, swann and stallworth had to wait many years to get into the hall and look at their numbers they aren't very impressive
i forgot the giants too, they won with jeff hostetler for christ sake and the giants D line made brady's life miserable but eli gets the credit for two lucky catches
the broncos in 2015 with washed up peyton who got benched for brock osweiler during the season
name the team that won a super bowl with weak defense
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The Ravens did squat on offense. Please stop that argument man, you’re making yourself look silly.
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The Ravens did squat on offense. Please stop that argument man, you’re making yourself look silly.
i'm arguing that defense has won championships plenty of times, and then you say "ravens" did squat on offense" and i'm making myself look silly ???
whatever the hell you are trying to say, don't respond to a 2 week old argument only to say "stop the argument"
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i'm arguing that defense has won championships plenty of times, and then you say "ravens" did squat on offense" and i'm making myself look silly ???
whatever the hell you are trying to say, don't respond to a 2 week old argument only to say "stop the argument"
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I meant to quote Dos Equis and hit yours instead. I’m in agreement with you on most of that.
Steelers suck ;D
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Steelers suck ;D
yes they do
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The Ravens did squat on offense. Please stop that argument man, you’re making yourself look silly.
Check out the box scores and get back to me. :)
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/rav/2000.htm
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Check out the box scores and get back to me. :)
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/rav/2000.htm
i think they went on a 5 game streak without scoring an offensive touchdown
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i think they went on a 5 game streak without scoring an offensive touchdown
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Which five games? I posted the link to the box scores for the entire season and the playoffs.
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Which five games? I posted the link to the box scores for the entire season and the playoffs.
i think it was towards the end of the season
you are the only person in the world that remembers their offense being "good", gee i wonder why they dumped trent dilfer after winning the super bowl
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i think it was towards the end of the season
you are the only person in the world that remembers their offense being "good", gee i wonder why they dumped trent dilfer after winning the super bowl
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Why are you guessing? Look at the link.
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Thank you Mr. President. :)
NFL greats cheer as Trump pardons former San Francisco 49ers owner Eddie DeBartolo Jr.
By Ronn Blitzer | Fox News
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/nfl-greats-thank-trump-for-pardon-of-hall-of-fame-owner-eddie-debartolo-jr
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Why are you guessing? Look at the link.
i saw them play, did you?
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i saw them play, did you?
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Yes I saw them play. Then you must have seen them score 39, 37, 27, 24, 27, 44, 24, and 34 in the regular season. They had a number of lower scoring games too. Playoffs they scored 21, 24, 16, and 34.
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Yes I saw them play. Then you must have seen them score 39, 37, 27, 24, 27, 44, 24, and 34 in the regular season. They had a number of lower scoring games too. Playoffs they scored 21, 24, 16, and 34.
such great offense, they got rid of their super bowl winning qb ::)
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such great offense, they got rid of their super bowl winning qb ::)
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And why not? Trent Dilfer is one of the worst QBs to ever win a Super Bowl.
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And why not? Trent Dilfer is one of the worst QBs to ever win a Super Bowl.
which means their offense sucked and they were carried by defense
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which means their offense sucked and they were carried by defense
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lol. It's a lot more complicated than that. An offense that sucks doesn't score 34 points in the Super Bowl. And top 30 points 4 times during the regular season, including 44 in one game.
An offense doesn't just consist of a QB. And nobody said Baltimore had a "great" offense that year. We're talking about, in the bigger picture, whether offense or defense wins championships. No question the Ravens D was awesome that year, but they don't win anything if their offense cannot score. That's true pretty much every year.
We saw it on full display just a few weeks ago, where an offense scored twice against a great defense to win a championship.
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lol. It's a lot more complicated than that. An offense that sucks doesn't score 34 points in the Super Bowl. And top 30 points 4 times during the regular season, including 44 in one game.
An offense doesn't just consist of a QB. And nobody said Baltimore had a "great" offense that year. We're talking about, in the bigger picture, whether offense or defense wins championships. No question the Ravens D was awesome that year, but they don't win anything if their offense cannot score. That's true pretty much every year.
We saw it on full display just a few weeks ago, where an offense scored twice against a great defense to win a championship.
i remember one ravens td in the super bowl was a kick off return, there might have been a defensive td too, i remember ray lewis had a int return against the number 1 seed titans in the playoffs
ray lewis told the offense get us 10 points and we'll take care of the rest, if you have to tell your offense that it means the offense sucks and the defense is great
an offense is only as good as it's qb, the ravens had an average qb and their offense was average at best
defense can and does win championships, the 49ers losing doesn't prove otherwise and i don't recall anybody claiming the 49ers were overly special on defense, they just had a better defense than the chiefs but they also had a good defense, i think jimmy is about on par with trent dilfer, kerry collins is no mahomes
that last chiefs rushing td was just the 49ers quitting and realizing the game was already over
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i remember one ravens td in the super bowl was a kick off return, there might have been a defensive td too, i remember ray lewis had a int return against the number 1 seed titans in the playoffs
ray lewis told the offense get us 10 points and we'll take care of the rest, if you have to tell your offense that it means the offense sucks and the defense is great
an offense is only as good as it's qb, the ravens had an average qb and their offense was average at best
defense can and does win championships, the 49ers losing doesn't prove otherwise and i don't recall anybody claiming the 49ers were overly special on defense, they just had a better defense than the chiefs but they also had a good defense, i think jimmy is about on par with trent dilfer, kerry collins is no mahomes
that last chiefs rushing td was just the 49ers quitting and realizing the game was already over
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The Niners had one of the best defenses in the NFL all season. They had the best D-line in the NFL. The pressure they put on QBs was really impressive. I have to assume you didn't watch them play. Their defense was terrific. KC scored twice in the fourth quarter against that D.
I think there are situations where defense wins championships and I gave a couple examples. I'm saying that is the exception rather than the rule. Teams that can score are teams that win championships. That's almost always the case.
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The Niners had one of the best defenses in the NFL all season. They had the best D-line in the NFL. The pressure they put on QBs was really impressive. I have to assume you didn't watch them play. Their defense was terrific. KC scored twice in the fourth quarter against that D.
I think there are situations where defense wins championships and I gave a couple examples. I'm saying that is the exception rather than the rule. Teams that can score are teams that win championships. That's almost always the case.
i know they had one of the best, but they were not elite we see defenses like them every season
one of KC's touchdowns was when KC was running out the clock
i gave you plenty of examples where defense won championships, your coach doesn't no how to manage a clock and makes poor play calls with a lead
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i know they had one of the best, but they were not elite we see defenses like them every season
one of KC's touchdowns was when KC was running out the clock
i gave you plenty of examples where defense won championships, your coach doesn't no how to manage a clock and makes poor play calls with a lead
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I didn't say the were "elite." I said they were great. And despite having a better defense than than KC, they lost. Yes Shanahan did a lousy job calling plays, which contributed to KC winning. But in the end, KC's offense had to score twice in the fourth quarter against arguably the best defense in the NFL this year to win the Super Bowl.
A lot of people agree with you that defense wins championships. I just think it's a cliche that isn't typically true.
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I didn't say the were "elite." I said they were great. And despite having a better defense than than KC, they lost. Yes Shanahan did a lousy job calling plays, which contributed to KC winning. But in the end, KC's offense had to score twice in the fourth quarter against arguably the best defense in the NFL this year to win the Super Bowl.
A lot of people agree with you that defense wins championships. I just think it's a cliche that isn't typically true.
can you name a team that won with bad defense?
i named plenty that won with bad offense
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can you name a team that won with bad defense?
i named plenty that won with bad offense
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Off the top of my head, no I cannot name a team that won a Super Bowl with a bad defense, or a bad offense.
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Off the top of my head, no I cannot name a team that won a Super Bowl with a bad defense, or a bad offense.
i named plenty, you named none
i win 8)
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i named plenty, you named none
i win 8)
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Was this a contest? lol You didn't name any. Regardless, we just have a different view on what it typically takes to win a Super Bowl.
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Was this a contest? lol You didn't name any. Regardless, we just have a different view on what it typically takes to win a Super Bowl.
i named several go back and read them
and yes i won 8)
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i named several go back and read them
and yes i won 8)
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No you didn't actually. But assume you did. It isn't reasonable to conclude that because "several" teams with "bad" offenses won a Super Bowl that defense always wins championships.
And regarding winning this discussion, maybe Ron can create a trophy icon for you? :)
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Off the top of my head, no I cannot name a team that won a Super Bowl with a bad defense, or a bad offense.
St. Louis Rams.
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I didn't say the were "elite." I said they were great. And despite having a better defense than than KC, they lost. Yes Shanahan did a lousy job calling plays, which contributed to KC winning. But in the end, KC's offense had to score twice in the fourth quarter against arguably the best defense in the NFL this year to win the Super Bowl.
A lot of people agree with you that defense wins championships. I just think it's a cliche that isn't typically true.
If Garoppolo completes the pass to Sanders the 49'ers win and everyone is talking about how great the SF defense is and how Andy Reid chocked again. These games have a few key plays that determine the outcome.
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No you didn't actually. But assume you did. It isn't reasonable to conclude that because "several" teams with "bad" offenses won a Super Bowl that defense always wins championships.
And regarding winning this discussion, maybe Ron can create a trophy icon for you? :)
still waiting for you to prove your point by naming these super bowl winning teams with bad defenses
i proved mine several times, you refuse to listen
i don't need a trophy icon, this was a blow out we haven't seen since the seahawks DEFENSE held the all time scoring broncos offense to 7 points in the super bowl in 2013 8)
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St. Louis Rams.
Greatest Show on Turf.
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Greatest Show on Turf.
Yep, and their defense sucked.
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If Garoppolo completes the pass to Sanders the 49'ers win and everyone is talking about how great the SF defense is and how Andy Reid chocked again. These games have a few key plays that determine the outcome.
Or the deep pass by Mahomes late in the fourth, with Bosa inches from a sack. Game of inches.
We can point to a number of game-changing moments and decisions (like why didn't they continue to feed Deebo and why didn't Mostert start), but in the end, KC got it done over four quarters.
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Yep, and their defense sucked.
Well I guess that blows up Earl's theory. :)
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Or the deep pass by Mahomes late in the fourth, with Bosa inches from a sack. Game of inches.
We can point to a number of game-changing moments and decisions (like why didn't they continue to feed Deebo and why didn't Mostert start), but in the end, KC got it done over four quarters.
Games at that level are so close and that's why it irritates me to see the sports media make such a big deal about championships. They also make it a battle between QB's instead of all 53 players plus coaching staff plus the officials plus blind luck.
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Well I guess that blows up Earl's theory. :)
if true that would only be one team, but he's wrong they had a great defense
they had 7 interceptions returned for touchdowns, which is 3rd most in nfl history
led the league in sacks and rushing defense, kevin carter had the most sacks in the league
i win again 8)
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Games at that level are so close and that's why it irritates me to see the sports media make such a big deal about championships. They also make it a battle between QB's instead of all 53 players plus coaching staff plus the officials plus blind luck.
good teams tend to find a way to win
people say the patriots could be 0 - 9 in super bowls if not for a play here or there, the fact that they were always in a position to win or in contention should tell you the difference between winning and losing is a lot greater than just one play or luck, while most of the teams they played had a short run or a one year wonder only to disappear
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if true that would only be one team, but he's wrong they had a great defense
they had 7 interceptions returned for touchdowns, which is 3rd most in nfl history
led the league in sacks and rushing defense, kevin carter had the most sacks in the league
i win again 8)
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Not so fast. The 2011 NY Giants had the 27th ranked defense. You lose.
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Not so fast. The 2011 NY Giants had the 27th ranked defense. You lose.
they played the 30th ranked defense in the super bowl ;D
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Games at that level are so close and that's why it irritates me to see the sports media make such a big deal about championships. They also make it a battle between QB's instead of all 53 players plus coaching staff plus the officials plus blind luck.
I agree.
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The 2006 Colts had the 28th ranked defense.
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The 2006 Colts had the 24th ranked defense.
good thing they played rex grossman in the super bowl 8)
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You could make the same excuses for the teams that had great defenses. The Bears defense played Grogan and the Pats, the Buccaneers played the old man Grbac and the old folks home Raiders (with no 2 week break that year).
Correction Gannon.
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The 2006 Colts had the 28th ranked defense.
Earl this is what happens when you make overstatements. lol
If defense always wins championships then the 2006 Colts would not have won the Super Bowl.
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You could make the same excuses for the teams that had great defenses. The Bears defense played Grogan and the Pats, the Buccaneers played the old man Grbac and the old folks home Raiders (with no 2 week break that year).
Correction Gannon.
bears are remembered as maybe best defense ever, gannon was nfl mvp that season
next :D
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bears are remembered as maybe best defense ever, gannon was nfl mvp that season
next :D
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Your argument has already been debunked. Great defenses have an advantage, no doubt. Of the teams that had a #1 ranked defense and made the Super Bowl the record is 8-3. Big advantage but not impossible to overcome.
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Earl this is what happens when you make overstatements. lol
If defense always wins championships then the 2006 Colts would not have won the Super Bowl.
like i said they played rex grossman
they also got healthy for the playoffs, both bob sanders and dwight freeney were injured that season and were easily their best defensive players
bob sanders had a short career due to injuries, but when healthy he was as good as any safety ever, he was their troy polamalu
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Your argument has already been debunked. Great defenses have an advantage, no doubt. Of the teams that had a #1 ranked defense and made the Super Bowl the record is 8-3. Big advantage but not impossible to overcome.
debunked? are you kidding me HAHAHA ;D
8 -3 is huge
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debunked? are you kidding me HAHAHA ;D
8 -3 is huge
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You asked for 1 team.
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You asked for 1 team.
And you gave him two.
Ron please cancel that trophy icon request . . . .
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And you gave him two.
Ron please cancel that trophy icon request . . . .
where did i ask for just one? i said name a team, you named none and then you had your big brother "humble narccissist" step in only for me to set him straight too :D
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I'm hoping for that Ruggs kid from Alabama, but will be happy if they get any quality WR in the first.
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I was yelling at the TV and the ghost of Al Davis when Chucky drafted Ruggs right before my Niners could get him, but I'm happy with the outcome. I think the Niners will contend again this coming season, if we have an NFL season. >:(
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Curse that injury bug.
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NYG really stink.
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NYG really stink.
Yes, but the Jets are probably worse.
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Yes, but the Jets are probably worse.
It's close.
Both already playing for a draft pick.
That they will botch.
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It's close.
Both already playing for a draft pick.
That they will botch.
Both teams have young QB's that were drafted in the 1st round so they probably will trade out of that pick for a bunch of picks as many teams would give up a lot for Lawrence.
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Both teams have young QB's that were drafted in the 1st round so they probably will trade out of that pick for a bunch of picks as many teams would give up a lot for Lawrence.
You might be right.
Giants need an O-line, which are boring picks, but necessary.
On the flip, they could have likely had Jones at 17 and used 6 to get another area.
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You might be right.
Giants need an O-line, which are boring picks, but necessary.
On the flip, they could have likely had Jones at 17 and used 6 to get another area.
Yeah, he was taken higher than expected but maybe the Giants front office thought he wouldn't last till 17.
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Yeah, he was taken higher than expected but maybe the Giants front office thought he wouldn't last till 17.
Yeah, they really wanted him.
We'll have to see how it pans out, but I'm not hopeful.
Giants are in this continual cycle of having impact players, OBJ/Saquon, but not having the tools around them. I don't care if they finish last if it means a first pick and the ability to trade it to build around Jones/Shepard/Barkley.
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Yeah, they really wanted him.
We'll have to see how it pans out, but I'm not hopeful.
Giants are in this continual cycle of having impact players, OBJ/Saquon, but not having the tools around them. I don't care if they finish last if it means a first pick and the ability to trade it to build around Jones/Shepard/Barkley.
Like most bad teams in the NFL they need a new coaching staff.
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Like most bad teams in the NFL they need a new coaching staff.
Yeah, but they just got one.
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What kind of voodoo curse hit my Niners? I've never seen anything like their injury situation.
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What kind of voodoo curse hit my Niners? I've never seen anything like their injury situation.
It has been a season of terrible luck with injuries. Their dominant defensive line was decimated and QB is week to week.
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It has been a season of terrible luck with injuries. Their dominant defensive line was decimated and QB is week to week.
Worst I've ever seen. They have something like $80 million of salary on IR. Crazy.
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Can someone put a voodoo curse on the Houston GM that will make him trade Deshaun Watson to the Niners without having to give up Bosa, Kittle, Warner, etc.? I would do a Mike Ditka/Ricky Williams and give up the entire draft to get this kid.
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Can someone put a voodoo curse on the Houston GM that will make him trade Deshaun Watson to the Niners without having to give up Bosa, Kittle, Warner, etc.? I would do a Mike Ditka/Ricky Williams and give up the entire draft to get this kid.
I haven't heard of SF being a possible landing spot for Watson.
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I haven't heard of SF being a possible landing spot for Watson.
If Watson demands a trade the Niners will definitely make an offer. Lynch tried to get Beckham and Mack. He's not afraid to pull the trigger.
Lots of people have listed SF as one of the top destinations if Watson is traded. Here is one: https://ninernoise.com/2021/01/20/sf-49ers-carr-trade-texans-deshaun-watson/
I think Watson in SF with Shanahan would do what Mahomes is doing in KC.
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Look for the Patriots, Colts, Jets, Titans, Bears, Broncos and Saints to make big offers for him. If I were SF I would draft a QB.
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Look for the Patriots, Colts, Jets, Titans, Bears, Broncos and Saints to make big offers for him. If I were SF I would draft a QB.
Half the league will try and get him if he becomes available. Give me the proven pro player over the untested rookie any day of the week.
That said, I think they will draft a QB if there isn't a run early on. I like the kid from BYU and the one from North Dakota State, but I'm not sure they last to 12.
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Half the league will try and get him if he becomes available. Give me the proven pro player over the untested rookie any day of the week.
That said, I think they will draft a QB if there isn't a run early on. I like the kid from BYU and the one from North Dakota State, but I'm not sure they last to 12.
I wouldn't give up too much for Watson. He is starting to decline like most QB's after 3 years or so and he has injury problems as well.
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I wouldn't give up too much for Watson. He is starting to decline like most QB's after 3 years or so and he has injury problems as well.
He has missed 1 start the past 3 years. His numbers have gotten better, not worse. And this past season was outstanding after losing his best target in that ridiculous trade with Arizona.
You should check this out: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/W/WatsDe00.htm
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He has missed 1 start the past 3 years. His numbers have gotten better, not worse. And this past season was outstanding after losing his best target in that ridiculous trade with Arizona.
You should check this out: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/W/WatsDe00.htm
You will see. Just like Lamar.
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You will see. Just like Lamar.
You mean the Heisman Trophy winner and 2019 First Team NFL All Pro Lamar Jackson? Yeah if Watson gets traded to SF without SF having to give up their studs on offense Watson might very well be an all pro.
Look at what he did with an average supporting cast this year: 4823 yards passing, 33 TDs, 7 INTs, 70 percent completion, 444 yards rushing, 4 TDs. If you put him in Shanahan's offensive with Deebo Samuel, Aiyuk, Kittle, and a healthy Mostert, he will explode IMO.
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You mean the Heisman Trophy winner and 2019 First Team NFL All Pro Lamar Jackson? Yeah if Watson gets traded to SF without SF having to give up their studs on offense Watson might very well be an all pro.
Look at what he did with an average supporting cast this year: 4823 yards passing, 33 TDs, 7 INTs, 70 percent completion, 444 yards rushing, 4 TDs. If you put him in Shanahan's offensive with Deebo Samuel, Aiyuk, Kittle, and a healthy Mostert, he will explode IMO.
I mean the Lamar Jackson who chokes every year in the playoffs. How many yards did he have this year against Buffalo? 3 points :-*
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I mean the Lamar Jackson who chokes every year in the playoffs. How many yards did he have this year against Buffalo? 3 points :-*
You say that like he's a 10 year veteran. He's 24 years old. This is what he did after his first full season as a starter and second year in the NFL:
Ravens QB Lamar Jackson named 2019 NFL MVP
Published: Feb 01, 2020
Nick Shook
The NFL's consensus choice for Most Valuable Player has officially assumed the throne.
Ravens quarterback Lamar Jackson was named the 2019 NFL MVP on Saturday at NFL Honors in downtown Miami. Jackson earned all 50 first-place votes, making him only the second unaimous MVP in NFL history (Tom Brady, 2010).
Jackson was a source of pure spectating delight in 2019, shredding opposing defenses while leading the league in touchdowns with 36 passing scores and seven trips to the end zone on the ground. Jackson threw for 3,127 yards and posted a 113.3 passer rating, with the latter mark exceeding the average rating of an MVP quarterback (107.8 ) en route to the AFC's top seed.
That's not all, of course. Jackson rushed for 1,206 yards, breaking Michael Vick's single-season record for a quarterback in the process and obliterating the average mark for an MVP quarterback (131). He more than tripled the average mark for rushing touchdowns with his seven scores.
Jackson's league-leading marks in passing touchdowns and quarterback rushing yards made him just the second quarterback to do so in NFL history, joining Hall of Famer Steve Young, who did so in 1994 with nearly 1,000 less rushing yards. Jackson's 1,206 yards also landed him at sixth place in the entire NFL in rushing yards.
Jackson became the youngest quarterback to ever win MVP at 22 years, 358 days old (on Dec. 31, 2019) while leading the NFL's No. 1 scoring offense (33.2 points per game). With Jackson at the controls, Baltimore finished first or second in five key offensive categories: points per game, total yards per game, rushing yards per game, big plays per game and red-zone percentage. Jackson also posted the second-highest passing touchdown percentage (9.0) in the Super Bowl era (minimum 350 attempts).
Jackson's season could only get better if his Ravens were able to reach the Super Bowl. Baltimore's 14-2 finish didn't carry over into the postseason, as the Ravens were eliminated by the Tennessee Titans in the AFC Divisional Round.
His MVP makes him the first Ravens player to win the award.
https://www.nfl.com/news/ravens-qb-lamar-jackson-named-2019-nfl-mvp-0ap3000001100156
And he wasn't playing with a great supporting cast. So if you're saying Watson will put up these kinds of numbers in the SF, then yes I agree. :)
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It's all downhill for him. He will be out of the league in 4 years.
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It's all downhill for him. He will be out of the league in 4 years.
You think Lamar Jackson will be out of the league in four years? Ok. Who knows? Injuries happen.
But back to Watson: he's the real deal. I know he's probably a long shot for my Niners, but miracles happen. Montana and Rice. The Lakers signing Shaq and trading for Kobe. It might be a pipe dream, but I hope they can make it happen.
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Half the league will try and get him if he becomes available. Give me the proven pro player over the untested rookie any day of the week.
That said, I think they will draft a QB if there isn't a run early on. I like the kid from BYU and the one from North Dakota State, but I'm not sure they last to 12.
Yep.
Deshaun Watson trade rumors: 'More than half the teams' have called about Texans quarterback, per report
It's more than just the quarterback-needy teams that are interested in Watson
By Jordan Dajani
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/deshaun-watson-trade-rumors-more-than-half-the-teams-have-called-about-texans-quarterback-per-report/
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Yep.
Deshaun Watson trade rumors: 'More than half the teams' have called about Texans quarterback, per report
It's more than just the quarterback-needy teams that are interested in Watson
By Jordan Dajani
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/deshaun-watson-trade-rumors-more-than-half-the-teams-have-called-about-texans-quarterback-per-report/
The fact that 1/2 the teams are interested means a team will have to give up way too much to get him.
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The fact that 1/2 the teams are interested means a team will have to give up way too much to get him.
Perhaps. But what is too much for a franchise QB that would make a team a Super Bowl contender?
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Perhaps. But what is too much for a franchise QB that would make a team a Super Bowl contender?
He didn't make Houston a Super Bowl contender.
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He didn't make Houston a Super Bowl contender.
This.
And if you already have a good team, without a QB, you propably do not have the cap space for Watson.
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He didn't make Houston a Super Bowl contender.
No QB in the NFL would have made this year's Houston team a Super Bowl contender. The issue is whether a team that already has the pieces to compete for a Super Bowl is just missing a QB.
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No QB in the NFL would have made this year's Houston team a Super Bowl contender. The issue is whether a team that already has the pieces to compete for a Super Bowl is just missing a QB.
What about last year and the year before that? Tom Brady turned a losing team into an NFC champion in 1 year. Houston bent over backwards making trades to satisfy Watson and it put them in a hole. No smart team is giving what Houston is asking for Watson.
I hope Houston doesn't lose this battle because if he gets what he wants you will see QB's doing this every year when they aren't happy. Houston has all the leverage on him. If he doesn't play he doesn't get paid.
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What about last year and the year before that? Tom Brady turned a losing team into an NFC champion in 1 year. Houston bent over backwards making trades to satisfy Watson and it put them in a hole. No smart team is giving what Houston is asking for Watson.
I hope Houston doesn't lose this battle because if he gets what he wants you will see QB's doing this every year when they aren't happy. Houston has all the leverage on him. If he doesn't play he doesn't get paid.
Houston hasn't had the pieces. And for sure, the reason they didn't win was NOT because of Watson.
How did they bend over backwards for Watson by trading away his best player? Do you know how good DeAndre Hopkins is? They essentially gave him to Arizona last year. In spite of that, Watson had his best year ever.
Brady went to a team with a good defense and some of the best skill position players in the NFL. That's exactly what I'm talking about: a team that is only missing a QB. The Niners stunk this year because of injuries. If they are healthy and you add a stud QB, they are definitely competing for a Super Bowl.
I don't have a problem with NFL players using whatever leverage they have. Most of their contracts are pretty worthless. Lots of non-guaranteed money. They get hosed all the time.
I doubt my Niners will pull the trigger based on what I'm hearing the asking price is: "2 ones, 2 twos and 2 young defensive starters, at the least." If was in SF, I would give up the draft picks in a heartbeat, but not the two defensive starters, if those starters are named Nick Bosa and Fred Warner.
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Houston made a stupid trade with Miami to get their left tackle. There are a lot of teams with more problems than Houston. It really doesn't matter, Watson isn't going anywhere unless some stupid team is willing to give a bunch of players and picks for him. He will command more than Stafford and the Rams gave up 2 1st's and a 3rd for him.
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Houston made a stupid trade with Miami to get their left tackle. There are a lot of teams with more problems than Houston. It really doesn't matter, Watson isn't going anywhere unless some stupid team is willing to give a bunch of players and picks for him. He will command more than Stafford and the Rams gave up 2 1st's and a 3rd for him.
There are a lot of lousy and mediocre teams in the NFL.
Watson will definitely command more than Stafford because Watson is better and younger. We shall see. I hope whatever is going to happen (or not happen) is over soon, because I hate it when entitled, privileged 20-something-year-old kids consume so much space in my head. lol
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There are a lot of lousy and mediocre teams in the NFL.
Watson will definitely command more than Stafford because Watson is better and younger. We shall see. I hope whatever is going to happen (or not happen) is over soon, because I hate it when entitled, privileged 20-something-year-old kids consume so much space in my head. lol
If you think they are consuming too much time in your head go to some college football team sites. These guys spend hours watching film of high school teams and argue who is actually a real 5* player and who isn't.
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If you think they are consuming too much time in your head go to some college football team sites. These guys spend hours watching film of high school teams and argue who is actually a real 5* player and who isn't.
lol Glad that's not my thing.
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Buy low!
Texans QB Deshaun Watson facing four new lawsuits, bringing total to seven
Published: Mar 19, 2021
https://www.nfl.com/news/texans-qb-deshaun-watson-facing-four-new-lawsuits-bringing-total-to-seven
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Buy low!
Texans QB Deshaun Watson facing four new lawsuits, bringing total to seven
Published: Mar 19, 2021
https://www.nfl.com/news/texans-qb-deshaun-watson-facing-four-new-lawsuits-bringing-total-to-seven
It's 12 now. He is either a perv or he REALLY pissed off the Texan's owner by demanding a trade.
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It's 12 now. He is either a perv or he REALLY pissed off the Texan's owner by demanding a trade.
The list keeps growing, but I am very suspicious about all of this. All of the women are "Jane Doe," but their lawyer is all over the media trashing Watson. That is grossly unfair to him.
I don't know if he is a perv, but the way they are handling this (and frankly all similar kinds of allegations) is just wrong.
I'm not a big believer in conspiracy theories, but there is no question these allegations have all but eliminated the possibility of any team giving up a king's ransom for him until this is resolved.
In any event, here is a statement from his lawyer. https://sports.yahoo.com/deshaun-watsons-lawyer-just-showcased-part-of-his-legal-defense-000124398.html
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The list keeps growing, but I am very suspicious about all of this. All of the women are "Jane Doe," but their lawyer is all over the media trashing Watson. That is grossly unfair to him.
I don't know if he is a perv, but the way they are handling this (and frankly all similar kinds of allegations) is just wrong.
I'm not a big believer in conspiracy theories, but there is no question these allegations have all but eliminated the possibility of any team giving up a king's ransom for him until this is resolved.
In any event, here is a statement from his lawyer. https://sports.yahoo.com/deshaun-watsons-lawyer-just-showcased-part-of-his-legal-defense-000124398.html
I read that the lawyer representing the women lives on the same street as the Texans owner. :D It would be a huge ballsy move for the owner though because if just one woman came forward and said she was coaxed by the owner into this he would lose his team.
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I read that the lawyer representing the women lives on the same street as the Texans owner. :D It would be a huge ballsy move for the owner though because if just one woman came forward and said she was coaxed by the owner into this he would lose his team.
Yeah I heard they were neighbors.
Will be interesting to see how this plays out.
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It's 16 woman now.
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It's 16 woman now.
Not surprised. All unnamed. There has essentially been a national call for women to come forward. I wonder why none of them went to the police?
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Not surprised. All unnamed. There has essentially been a national call for women to come forward. I wonder why none of them went to the police?
The police don't pay up.
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The police don't pay up.
Sad but true.
Up to 24 unnamed accusers.
Deshaun Watson lawsuits up to 14, with 24 accusers
Posted by Mike Florio on March 23, 2021
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/03/23/deshaun-watson-lawsuits-up-to-14-with-24-accusers/
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On snap. ;D
If all of the mocks are correct and the Jets take Justin Fields (EDIT: I meant Zach Wilson), I hope the Niners draft Trey Lance.
49ers acquire No. 3 overall pick from Dolphins; Miami gets No. 12 pick, two future firsts
Published: Mar 26, 2021
Nick Shook
Around The NFL Writer
https://www.nfl.com/news/49ers-acquire-no-3-overall-pick-from-dolphins-miami-gets-no-12-pick-two-future-f?fbclid=IwAR2xv1Uc0p9u7jX2qqBZBL1wfxWqVnu1X_RML9Os_ZglCjhmsyyNXWTT6Ds
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On snap. ;D
If all of the mocks are correct and the Jets take Justin Fields, I hope the Niners draft Trey Lance.
49ers acquire No. 3 overall pick from Dolphins; Miami gets No. 12 pick, two future firsts
Published: Mar 26, 2021
Nick Shook
Around The NFL Writer
https://www.nfl.com/news/49ers-acquire-no-3-overall-pick-from-dolphins-miami-gets-no-12-pick-two-future-f?fbclid=IwAR2xv1Uc0p9u7jX2qqBZBL1wfxWqVnu1X_RML9Os_ZglCjhmsyyNXWTT6Ds
Niners are definitely going QB. Look for a trade sending Garoppolo to the Patriots soon.
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Niners are definitely going QB. Look for a trade sending Garoppolo to the Patriots soon.
I don't think they will trade Jimmy G unless NE or someone else offers a 1st round pick. Not sure if that will happen.
This is likely to be similar to what happened in KC with Alex Smith and Mahomes and Green Bay with Rodgers and Jordan Love.
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I don't think they will trade Jimmy G unless NE or someone else offers a 1st round pick. Not sure if that will happen.
This is likely to be similar to what happened in KC with Alex Smith and Mahomes and Green Bay with Rodgers and Jordan Love.
Pretty sure NE will offer 1st rounder. It's like dumping your ex girlfriend and being desperate to get her back.
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Pretty sure NE will offer 1st rounder. It's like dumping your ex girlfriend and being desperate to get her back.
I hope so. Not sure Cam Newton is the answer. But they did sign some good skill position players.
I think NE likes Mac Jones, which is probably why both Shanahan and Lynch are both in Alabama tomorrow to watch Mac Jones throw. Jedi mind trick trying to make NE think they will draft Mac Jones, leaving NE with all of the top 4 QBs gone by the time they draft at 15.
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Very happy with the Trey Lance pick. Seems like a decent draft overall, but we'll find out for sure in about 3 years.
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Very happy with the Trey Lance pick. Seems like a decent draft overall, but we'll find out for sure in about 3 years.
Lance better be able to play soon because of Jimmy G's injury history and that all of those D lineman's contracts will be up in 3 years. They won't be able to sign all of them to big 2nd contracts.
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Lance better be able to play soon because of Jimmy G's injury history and that all of those D lineman's contracts will be up in 3 years. They won't be able to sign all of them to big 2nd contracts.
I agree Jimmy G is likely to go down with injury at some point during the season. Not sure Lance will be forced to play though. The Niners have Josh Rosen and I'm not convinced he's a bust . . . yet. But I am really excited to see what Lance will do in this offense.
I think they will have enough to extend Warner this year, Bosa in 2 years, and Kinlaw in 3 years. Dee Ford is coming off the books at some point, along with Jimmy G's salary.
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The NFC West has 3 Super Bowl contenders. Brutal division with even the Cardinals being decent.
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The NFC West has 3 Super Bowl contenders. Brutal division with even the Cardinals being decent.
I actually think all four of them are playoff contenders. The Cardinals added some pretty good players.
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I actually think all four of them are playoff contenders. The Cardinals added some pretty good players.
They are decent but a lot of old, injury prone players. I think their QB will start to regress as well.
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They are decent but a lot of old, injury prone players. I think their QB will start to regress as well.
They got some horses. Should be a good season though.
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Football season is here. All is right with the world. :)
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Football season is here. All is right with the world. :)
Fall is my favorite time of the year. The weather gets cool and there is some game on every night.
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Fall is my favorite time of the year. The weather gets cool and there is some game on every night.
Yes. And it's great to see fans back in the stadiums.
Except for Hawaii. ::)
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Few things more satisfying than the Niners beating the Cowboys in the playoffs. I almost don't even care what happens next. :)
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Few things more satisfying than the Niners beating the Cowboys in the playoffs. I almost don't even care what happens next. :)
I feel the same about my Bengals winning a playoff game. Will get crushed next week with 3 D lineman out against Tennessee but just getting that 31 year monkey off the back was so relieving.
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I feel the same about my Bengals winning a playoff game. Will get crushed next week with 3 D lineman out against Tennessee but just getting that 31 year monkey off the back was so relieving.
Hey any given Sunday. You never know. The Bengals have some horses.
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Have to admit, seeing Buffalo, San Fran, and Bengals wins this week was super cool.
Still rooting for Rogers, but wouldn't mind any of the above winning either.
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A good majority of the games sucked.
Good thing we had the annual Dallas fuckup to make us smile 8)
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A good majority of the games sucked.
Good thing we had the annual Dallas fuckup to make us smile 8)
Yeah, I liked that more than SF actually winning.
Giants better hire a good crew and not waste those picks.
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Hey any given Sunday. You never know. The Bengals have some horses.
Yep, and moving on.
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Bengals game ending was nuts.
And, if Tennessee just kicked an extra point early, they should have won.
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Bengals game ending was nuts.
And, if Tennessee just kicked an extra point early, they should have won.
And a field goal instead of going for it on 4th and 1.
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Have to admit, seeing Buffalo, San Fran, and Bengals wins this week was super cool.
Still rooting for Rogers, but wouldn't mind any of the above winning either.
Great games. I'm stoked. :)
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Yep, and moving on.
Great win. I think they definitely have a shot at beating KC.
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Great win. I think they definitely have a shot at beating KC.
Beat them in the regular season but will have to step up in the championship game on the road.
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Beat them in the regular season but will have to step up in the championship game on the road.
Definitely. Same with my Niners. Even though they have beaten the Rams six straight times, they will have to play better on Sunday to win. And they will need to play well enough to survive Jimmy G's two or three WTF throws he has in every game.
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Definitely. Same with my Niners. Even though they have beaten the Rams six straight times, they will have to play better on Sunday to win. And they will need to play well enough to survive Jimmy G's two or three WTF throws he has in every game.
One thing to help the Niners is that Stafford has never been a winner before last week. He may choke in the right spot.
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One thing to help the Niners is that Stafford has never been a winner before last week. He may choke in the right spot.
Rams won and still choked huge last week.
But Stafford wasn't really part of it.
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One thing to help the Niners is that Stafford has never been a winner before last week. He may choke in the right spot.
Stafford was money yesterday. My Niners had their chances. I like Shanahan, but he repeatedly overthinks in big games. You put the ball in the hands of your best players and run plays your opponent has not been able to stop. The fact Deebo really didn't get the ball in the fourth quarter is a crime. But the Rams earned it. Your Bengals too. Should be a good Super Bowl.
Really excited about next year. Got a team full of studs: Bosa, Warner, Kittle, Deebo, Juszczyk, Trent Williams, Elijah Mitchell, etc. Just gotta plug a view pieces and they will be contending again.
But I will say part of me thinks if Trey Lance had started from about midway through the season that the Niners would still be playing.
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Stafford was money yesterday. My Niners had their chances. I like Shanahan, but he repeatedly overthinks in big games. You put the ball in the hands of your best players and run plays your opponent has not been able to stop. The fact Deebo really didn't get the ball in the fourth quarter is a crime. But the Rams earned it. Your Bengals too. Should be a good Super Bowl.
Really excited about next year. Got a team full of studs: Bosa, Warner, Kittle, Deebo, Juszczyk, Trent Williams, Elijah Mitchell, etc. Just gotta plug a view pieces and they will be contending again.
But I will say part of me thinks if Trey Lance had started from about midway through the season that the Niners would still be playing.
If Tart intercepts that terrible Stafford pass the Niners move on.
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If Tart intercepts that terrible Stafford pass the Niners move on.
Maybe, but there was still a lot of time left and the Niners were not moving the ball on offense.
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I sure hope the Niners don't trade Deebo. He is a stud.
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I sure hope the Niners don't trade Deebo. He is a stud.
I'm getting tired of all these players demanding trades before their contracts are up. Teams should refuse these demands.
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I'm getting tired of all these players demanding trades before their contracts are up. Teams should refuse these demands.
I look at football players a little differently, because they don't have guaranteed contracts for the most part and the risk of career-ending injuries is enormous.
Still, I get irritated by some of the trade demands too.
Not sure why Deebo requested a trade. He hasn't said why and the media is unreliable.
Unless the Jets or some other team offers a high first and a second, or Carolina offers Christian McCaffrey and picks, I don't see the Niners trading Deebo. He's an absolute stud. Barring injury, that Niner offense could be really special this coming season.
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I look at football players a little differently, because they don't have guaranteed contracts for the most part and the risk of career-ending injuries is enormous.
Still, I get irritated by some of the trade demands too.
Not sure why Deebo requested a trade. He hasn't said why and the media is unreliable.
Unless the Jets or some other team offers a high first and a second, or Carolina offers Christian McCaffrey and picks, I don't see the Niners trading Deebo. He's an absolute stud. Barring injury, that Niner offense could be really special this coming season.
He's under contract until next year where he can (and will) resign with someone for huge money. If he were traded his new team would pick up the contract so he wouldn't make any more money this year. He is stupid for wanting out of SF. If they trade him to a shitty team it will hurt his money prospects next year not help him.
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He's under contract until next year where he can (and will) resign with someone for huge money. If he were traded his new team would pick up the contract so he wouldn't make any more money this year. He is stupid for wanting out of SF. If they trade him to a shitty team it will hurt his money prospects next year not help him.
Yeah I agree. He's in an ideal situation in SF.
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I like what the Niners did in the draft. But you never how good or bad the draft is for a few years. Great potential with their picks and FA signings though. And I'm glad they didn't spend future draft capital.
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I like what the Niners did in the draft. But you never how good or bad the draft is for a few years. Great potential with their picks and FA signings though. And I'm glad they didn't spend future draft capital.
Some teams are very stupid. Cleveland had no 1st rounder this year, next year, or the year after.
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Some teams are very stupid. Cleveland had no 1st rounder this year, next year, or the year after.
The Niners didn't have a first round pick this year and don't have one next year. Trey Lance trade.
I was looking at some older drafts. Totally forgot that not only was Brett Favre a second round pick, but Dan McGuire and Todd Marinovich were both taken in the first in 1991.
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The Niners didn't have a first round pick this year and don't have one next year. Trey Lance trade.
I was looking at some older drafts. Totally forgot that not only was Brett Favre a second round pick, but Dan McGuire and Todd Marinovich were both taken in the first in 1991.
Tom Brady was a sixth.
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Tom Brady was a sixth.
Yep. Just horrible misses every year by these experts.
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Yep. Just horrible misses every year by these experts.
They had no way of knowing how Brady would turn out. Ever seen his combine workout? ;D He looked terrible.
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They had no way of knowing how Brady would turn out. Ever seen his combine workout? ;D He looked terrible.
No, but I heard about his beer body. lol Still, what matters most is game film. These experts repeatedly get it wrong by, for example, relying on how a ginormous man can throw a football over 50 yards in the air from his knees (JaMarcus Russell). If they just believe what they see (like DeShaun Watson and Pat Mahomes in college), they wouldn't miss so much.
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I know it's just minicamp, no pads, and no contact, but reports out of SF on Trey Lance are very good. Really excited about the young man's potential. You give him a healthy Deebo, Aiyuk, Kittle, a strong O-line, and strong running game, and he could be special.
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Barring injury, the Niners should contend this year. Hope springs eternal.
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Barring injury, the Niners should contend this year. Hope springs eternal.
They may need an injury to Lance to go as far as last year.
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They may need an injury to Lance to go as far as last year.
Lance has a much higher ceiling than Jimmy G.
Slow start yesterday.
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Lance has a much higher ceiling than Jimmy G.
Slow start yesterday.
Everybody says that but I don't see it.
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Everybody says that but I don't see it.
I think the people who say it are probably the ones who have watched them both play.
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I think the people who say it are probably the ones who have watched them both play.
Really? Garoppolo has taken the Niners to the Super Bowl and another NFC Championship game where they lost by 1 play. Lance struggles to complete any pass over 15 or 20 yards downfield. I doubt Lance will ever top Jimmy G. There is a reason why the Niners kept him as a backup even with his high salary.
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Really? Garoppolo has taken the Niners to the Super Bowl and another NFC Championship game where they lost by 1 play. Lance struggles to complete any pass over 15 or 20 yards downfield. I doubt Lance will ever top Jimmy G. There is a reason why the Niners kept him as a backup even with his high salary.
Jimmy G is a good QB. No denying his success with the Niners. But he does have at least 2 or 3 WTF throws every game. And he is not good at throwing the ball down the field. That's partly why they lost the Super Bowl. Had Emmanuel Sanders wide open deep for what could have been a game changing TD. Missed him.
Trey Lance will be much better at opening up and stretching the field. I think he will have better ball security than Jimmy G. Much stronger arm. Much more mobile. Much faster. As Shanahan has been saying, he forces the D to play 11 on 11 because of his mobility.
The reason they kept Jimmy G is they could not find a trade partner, he took a huge haircut with his salary, and he is a good QB. Definitely one of the best backup QBs in the league. Good move by the Niners.
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Lance out for the year. It's a good thing they still have Jimmy G. If SF had listened to Colin Cowherd and other sports media people and traded Jimmy G, they'd be fucked.
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Lance out for the year. It's a good thing they still have Jimmy G. If SF had listened to Colin Cowherd and other sports media people and traded Jimmy G, they'd be fucked.
I am so bummed. Glad to have Jimmy G, but man I was really hoping to see how good Lance could be in this offense.
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I am so bummed. Glad to have Jimmy G, but man I was really hoping to see how good Lance could be in this offense.
He'll get another chance next year.
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He'll get another chance next year.
Yeah. He's a good kid. Great work ethic. He'll be back.
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Four games in and the injury bug strikes again. Same story every year.
Still, that Niner D is elite. Definitely a championship defense. If they get everyone healthy and the offense scores some points they will be tough to beat.
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Four games in and the injury bug strikes again. Same story every year.
Still, that Niner D is elite. Definitely a championship defense. If they get everyone healthy and the offense scores some points they will be tough to beat.
Bosa staying healthy for the defense is key.
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Bosa staying healthy for the defense is key.
Definitely need him healthy, but they got horses all over that D. Armstead and Kinlaw are beasts. Fred Warner is an all pro. Hufanga is playing like an all pro. Charvarius Ward is playing like an all pro. That's why they currently have the best D in the NFL.
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Definitely need him healthy, but they got horses all over that D. Armstead and Kinlaw are beasts. Fred Warner is an all pro. Hufanga is playing like an all pro. Charvarius Ward is playing like an all pro. That's why they currently have the best D in the NFL.
They have an excellent defense overall but Bosa is unblockable. As A Buckeye fan I know what it's like when he is no longer there.
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They have an excellent defense overall but Bosa is unblockable. As A Buckeye fan I know what it's like when he is no longer there.
He’s a beast. I didn’t watch him at Ohio State, but I’ve seen all of his games with the Niners. You are right. They cannot block him and he is constantly being held.
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I love the Christian McCaffrey trade. If my boys can get and stay healthy they will definitely contend.
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I love the Christian McCaffrey trade. If my boys can get and stay healthy they will definitely contend.
He is really good when healthy.
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Things are looking pretty good. The only thing that will hold them back is the injury bug. Elijah Mitchell done for the regular season, again. But hopefully will get Armstead and Kinlaw back to what is already the best defense in the NFL.
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Things are looking pretty good. The only thing that will hold them back is the injury bug. Elijah Mitchell done for the regular season, again. But hopefully will get Armstead and Kinlaw back to what is already the best defense in the NFL.
They have a pretty clear path in the NFC. Philadelphia is a fraud and will choke in the playoffs.
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They have a pretty clear path in the NFC. Philadelphia is a fraud and will choke in the playoffs.
I'd wager this as well.
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They have a pretty clear path in the NFC. Philadelphia is a fraud and will choke in the playoffs.
If they stay healthy.
Philly is no joke. They got some horses on offense and their D is good.
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If they stay healthy.
Philly is no joke. They got some horses on offense and their D is good.
The QB will choke just like Lamar Jackson does in the playoffs.
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The QB will choke just like Lamar Jackson does in the playoffs.
All I've seen from Jalen Hurts at Alabama, Oklahoma, and Philly is him balling out. He is having a terrific year. I guess he could choke in the playoffs, and I hope he does if they play SF, but he's a really good QB. And he's got some weapons.
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Niners are done for the year because of injuries again.
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Niners are done for the year because of injuries again.
Not necessarily. Purdy played really well on Sunday. And Jimmy G could return for the playoffs. If Purdy can play like he did last Sunday, the D is good enough to carry them to the playoffs.
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Not necessarily. Purdy played really well on Sunday. And Jimmy G could return for the playoffs. If Purdy can play like he did last Sunday, the D is good enough to carry them to the playoffs.
I just saw that Jimmy G doesn't need surgery and could return for the playoffs which changes everything.
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Hope you guys are right. Always been a Niners fan and am a Jimmy G. fan. No homo. He is one of the most underappreciated players of my lifetime.
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Hope you guys are right. Always been a Niners fan and am a Jimmy G. fan. No homo. He is one of the most underappreciated players of my lifetime.
Even in his own organization.
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SF,
Please beat the pretender Bucs today.
GA
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Even in his own organization.
Especially in his own organization. Baffling.
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Especially in his own organization. Baffling.
I've never seen a player at that level that was so unwanted.
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SF,
Please beat the pretender Bucs today.
GA
Mission Accomplished. :)
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Especially in his own organization. Baffling.
They have actually been very respectful and treated him very well. Neither Lynch nor Shanahan has ever dissed him. They have only said great things about him. They were also very clear that the only reason they drafted Trey Lance is that Jimmy G cannot stay healthy, which he proved again last week.
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They have actually been very respectful and treated him very well. Neither Lynch nor Shanahan has ever dissed him. They have only said great things about him. They were also very clear that the only reason they drafted Trey Lance is that Jimmy G cannot stay healthy, which he proved again last week.
Actions speak louder than words. Starting Lance over him and constantly looking for a trade is a silent diss.
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Actions speak louder than words. Starting Lance over him and constantly looking for a trade is a silent diss.
They were very open about why they were trying to upgrade. It was exclusively about him being injury prone:
For a team that rightfully believed it was in a Super Bowl window, the idea of losing another season because of below-average quarterback play was no longer tolerable. Garoppolo missed 13 games with a torn ACL in his left knee in 2018 and 10 more in 2020 because of ankle injuries. In 2021, he missed two games, one with a torn ligament in his right thumb and another with a calf issue.
"We've had Jimmy here for five years and he's got to play in two of those seasons fully," coach Kyle Shanahan said. "And before this year, it was only one out of four years, and that was our big worry going into it, that we could not go into another year where he didn't make it through."
https://www.espn.com/blog/san-francisco-49ers/post/_/id/40570/with-the-jimmy-garoppolo-san-francisco-49ers-hourglass-nearly-out-of-sand-whats-next
So now they have had him six years and has been fully healthy for two of them.
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Now the hottest team in the league with a seven game winning streak. Best defense in the league, with Kinlaw coming back soon. Purdy has been outstanding. Feeling pretty good.
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Eight game winning streak. Elijah Mitchell may be back next week. Deebo is on track to be back by end of the season.
If Jalen Hurts is out I think the Niners are the clear favorite in the NFC. If he’s healthy it will be a great matchup. Assuming they both make it to the NFC Championship.
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Eight game winning streak. Elijah Mitchell may be back next week. Deebo is on track to be back by end of the season.
If Jalen Hurts is out I think the Niners are the clear favorite in the NFC. If he’s healthy it will be a great matchup. Assuming they both make it to the NFC Championship.
Hurts will be back but the Niners are still the best NFC team right now.
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Hurts will be back but the Niners are still the best NFC team right now.
I agree. If they stay healthy.
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I agree. If they stay healthy.
I don't think the Eagles or Vikings scare anyone especially if Hurts' injury is worse than they are admitting. If he doesn't play this week it's going to be very difficult for him to just flip a switch and turn it on after that long of a layoff.
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I don't think the Eagles or Vikings scare anyone especially if Hurts' injury is worse than they are admitting. If he doesn't play this week it's going to be very difficult for him to just flip a switch and turn it on after that long of a layoff.
I want to say I'm not worried about the Vikings, but like they say: "any given Sunday." But the Niners are clearly entering the playoffs as the hottest and best overall team in the NFL. They just need to execute. And stay healthy.
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I want to say I'm not worried about the Vikings, but like they say: "any given Sunday." But the Niners are clearly entering the playoffs as the hottest and best overall team in the NFL. They just need to execute. And stay healthy.
Yep, the playoffs are a crapshoot. A weird turnover or freak play can sink anybody.
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Brock Purdy looks great.
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Brock Purdy looks great.
We'll see if he can sustain it.
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Good showings by the 9ers and GMen this past Sunday.
SF / KC should be in the bowl.
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Saturday and Sunday were as good a two day football span as I can remember. Games just got better and better. I hope tonight's game is good too. In a perfect world they would tie and both be eliminated. 😃
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Saturday and Sunday were as good a two day football span as I can remember. Games just got better and better. I hope tonight's game is good too. In a perfect world they would tie and both be eliminated. 😃
It was an amazing weekend of football. Most of these games are coin flips.
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I am the world's biggest Cowboy hater and a lifelong Niner fan, so Sunday is really important for my overall health and wellbeing. :)
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I am the world's biggest Cowboy hater and a lifelong Niner fan, so Sunday is really important for my overall health and wellbeing. :)
Should be a great game.
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Should be a great game.
I want to say it was a great game, but I hate close games. I'd rather my team win or lose by a blowout. And beating the Dallas Cowboys is almost as good as winning the Super Bowl. :)
But great win. Sunday will be lit. Philly is a good team.
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I want to say it was a great game, but I hate close games. I'd rather my team win or lose by a blowout. And beating the Dallas Cowboys is almost as good as winning the Super Bowl. :)
But great win. Sunday will be lit. Philly is a good team.
I know. Close games stress me out.
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The Niners were a healthy QB away from contending. No team can win with a fourth string QB, who then gets hurt leaving them literally with no QB. One of the craziest things I've ever seen.
Now time to watch my Lakers go down in flames and get ready for next year.
I think they will contend next year. Really interested to see a healthy Trey Lance and a full season of McCaffrey can do in that offense.
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The Niners were a healthy QB away from contending. No team can win with a fourth string QB, who then gets hurt leaving them literally with no QB. One of the craziest things I've ever seen.
Now time to watch my Lakers go down in flames and get ready for next year.
I think they will contend next year. Really interested to see a healthy Trey Lance and a full season of McCaffrey can do in that offense.
All of these NFL teams are running on fumes by the playoffs with backup QB's, makeshift OLines, corners and safeties signed at the end of the season, etc. The fact that the NFL is looking at expanding to a 18 game regular season is ridiculous. They should be going the other way.
A 14 game schedule with 6 division games, 4 opponents from the conference and 4 opponents from the opposite conference (1 division as done now) would eliminate this problem and see healthier teams in the playoffs. This of course will never happen because the owners will never give up the money of those extra games.
The current players are bigger, stronger and faster than ever before yet are expected to go almost twice as long as in the past with the playoffs always expanding as well.
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Another year, another Super Bowl-caliber team. If they can stay healthy.
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All of these NFL teams are running on fumes by the playoffs with backup QB's, makeshift OLines, corners and safeties signed at the end of the season, etc. The current players are bigger, stronger and faster than ever before yet are expected to go almost twice as long as in the past with the playoffs always expanding as well.
At least maybe allow more players on roster? Or at least more fluidity in dropping and lifting players from active roster to practice squad, injury list etc.
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At least maybe allow more players on roster? Or at least more fluidity in dropping and lifting players from active roster to practice squad, injury list etc.
They have expanded the practice squad which is a start.
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Damn!
Niners look like a juggernaut.
Not much better place for a new QB than what Purdy had last year and now even better.
Was kind of curious could he continue from where he left but seems fine.
With all that $77.000 guaranteed 🙌😊
One thing with CMC. He slices, dices and drives head first. Great.
But I get chills when he starts to squirm out of defender holding his leg or something like that…
Just go down if you limb is caught!
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Damn!
Niners look like a juggernaut.
Not much better place for a new QB than what Purdy had last year and now even better.
Was kind of curious could he continue from where he left but seems fine.
With all that $77.000 guaranteed 🙌😊
One thing with CMC. He slices, dices and drives head first. Great.
But I get chills when he starts to squirm out of defender holding his leg or something like that…
Just go down if you limb is caught!
It will all come down to injuries like it always does. Lots of luck is needed to win it all.
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Damn!
Niners look like a juggernaut.
Not much better place for a new QB than what Purdy had last year and now even better.
Was kind of curious could he continue from where he left but seems fine.
With all that $77.000 guaranteed 🙌😊
One thing with CMC. He slices, dices and drives head first. Great.
But I get chills when he starts to squirm out of defender holding his leg or something like that…
Just go down if you limb is caught!
They look great so far. Looking forward to the rematch with Philly.
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Few things in life are more satisfying than a Niner beatdown of the Cowboys. That Cowboys defense is actually pretty good. Purdy and Niners offense is just on another level. And that Niners defense is elite.
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Few things in life are more satisfying than a Niner beatdown of the Cowboys. That Cowboys defense is actually pretty good. Purdy and Niners offense is just on another level. And that Niners defense is elite.
They are humming along right now.
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They look great so far. Looking forward to the rematch with Philly.
Yes.
You’re kind of one dimensional if you cannot attempt a forward pass in the NFL 😊
Right now my money would be with Niners.
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They are humming along right now.
Best in the NFL, so far. But it's early.
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Yes.
You’re kind of one dimensional if you cannot attempt a forward pass in the NFL 😊
Right now my money would be with Niners.
Oh definitely the favorites. But as the saying goes: "any given Sunday."
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Best in the NFL, so far. But it's early.
Yeah, the best team early rarely wins the title. Injuries rule the NFL. You have to stay healthy and peak in the playoffs.
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The QB will choke just like Lamar Jackson does in the playoffs.
You son of a bitch…
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You son of a bitch…
WUT? ???
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WUT? ???
Dude, have you not seen any of my threads in this forum? I’m a Ravens fan bro.
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Dude, have you not seen any of my threads in this forum? I’m a Ravens fan bro.
But he does choke in the playoffs. ;D
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I really hate kickers.
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Are Deebo and CMC ok?
McCafferey had on oblique. Streched, torn or just hit and Deebo had something with shoulder?
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Are Deebo and CMC ok?
McCafferey had on oblique. Streched, torn or just hit and Deebo had something with shoulder?
Both undergoing MRIs today. Projected worst case scenario is they miss 1-2 weeks.
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I really hate kickers.
I hate it when coaches just focus on getting into long field goal range instead of getting as close as possible. The kicker made a 58 yard field last year so we just have to get into that range to win the game.
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I hate it when coaches just focus on getting into long field goal range instead of getting as close as possible. The kicker made a 58 yard field last year so we just have to get into that range to win the game.
I agree.
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What a difference two weeks makes. The Niners D had zero sacks and gave up about 450 yards to Minnesota, without Jefferson. That high priced D line is not earning their money.
And the bloom is off the rose with Purdy. Two pretty bad picks today.
But McCaffrey is playing like a league MVP. He is a stud.
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What a difference two weeks makes. The Niners D had zero sacks and gave up about 450 yards to Minnesota, without Jefferson. That high priced D line is not earning their money.
And the bloom is off the rose with Purdy. Two pretty bad picks today.
But McCaffrey is playing like a league MVP. He is a stud.
Road Monday Night games are tough. SF has lost 2 in a row so they will probably win Sunday. Zac Taylor is not good off of bye weeks.
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Road Monday Night games are tough. SF has lost 2 in a row so they will probably win Sunday. Zac Taylor is not good off of bye weeks.
Purdy is in the concussion protocol. I sure hope we don't have to start Darnold.
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Purdy is in the concussion protocol. I sure hope we don't have to start Darnold.
I forgot they have him now.
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The Niners went from the class of the NFL to losing three in a row. Wheels have fallen off that high priced defense.
But I do like the Chase Young trade.
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The Niners went from the class of the NFL to losing three in a row. Wheels have fallen off that high priced defense.
But I do like the Chase Young trade.
Gave up too much for a guy that they'll have half a season IF he doesn't get hurt again.
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Gave up too much for a guy that they'll have half a season IF he doesn't get hurt again.
They gave up a third round compensatory pick, when they had three third round picks. So it didn’t really cost them anything.
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They gave up a third round compensatory pick, when they had three third round picks. So it didn’t really cost them anything.
It was reported on the ESPN ticker as a 2nd round pick.
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It was reported on the ESPN ticker as a 2nd round pick.
Nah it was a third round pick. If he works out, it's great value. If he walks after the season, the Niners will get a third round compensatory pick. Considering the risk/reward, it was a great trade.
Commanders trading DE Chase Young to 49ers for 2024 third-round pick
Published: Oct 31, 2023
https://www.nfl.com/news/commanders-trading-de-chase-young-to-49ers-for-2024-third-round-pick
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Nah it was a third round pick. If he works out, it's great value. If he walks after the season, the Niners will get a third round compensatory pick. Considering the risk/reward, it was a great trade.
Commanders trading DE Chase Young to 49ers for 2024 third-round pick
Published: Oct 31, 2023
https://www.nfl.com/news/commanders-trading-de-chase-young-to-49ers-for-2024-third-round-pick
Got it. I knew there was a 3rd rounder in there somewhere.
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Back on track. Chase Young paying early dividends. Looking forward to the Philly game. Will tell us a lot.
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Back on track. Chase Young paying early dividends. Looking forward to the Philly game. Will tell us a lot.
Game of the week.
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I was and still am a big Trey Lance fan, but Purdy is definitely making a believer out of me.
First big injury: Hafanga out for the season. That hurts.
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I was and still am a big Trey Lance fan, but Purdy is definitely making a believer out of me.
First big injury: Hafanga out for the season. That hurts.
What has Lance done as a backup to deserve your fandom?
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What has Lance done as a backup to deserve your fandom?
I watched every snap he took at North Dakota State when he passed for 2700 yards, 28 TDs, 0 INTs, and ran for 1100 yards and 14 TDs. Shanahan did the same thing. That's why he drafted Lance. Hard to not be incredibly impressed with that season.
As a pro, he never really got a shot. He showed flashes, got hurt, Purdy made history, then Lance unquestionably outplayed Sam Darnold this past preseason. Shanahan is just infatuated with Darnold's skill set and probably didn't want Lance lurking over Purdy's shoulder.
I just HATE that he is with the Dallas Cowboys. I have an irrational hatred of the Cowboys. But I hope he gets a chance to show what he can do.
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NFC Championship preview coming up. Will be good to see how the game plays out when both teams have a QB.
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NFC Championship preview coming up. Will be good to see how the game plays out when both teams have a QB.
The team that loses will probably win the playoff rematch.
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Hopefully it's a good game.
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Hopefully it's a good game.
It wasn't for Philly.
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Great game. ;D
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Great game. ;D
Very competitive 1st few minutes.
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Very competitive 1st few minutes.
For the first quarter. But I hate close games anyway. I'd rather my team win or lose by a blowout.
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For the first quarter. But I hate close games anyway. I'd rather my team win or lose by a blowout.
So would most people which is why college football is more popular. Fans of Alabama, Ohio State, Georgia, Michigan, Oregon, Texas, Oklahoma, FSU, etc, like to cruise through the season winning with only a few games to worry about. The closeness of NFL games all year is draining. I usually only watch the last 8 minutes of the games because it is almost always won at the end anyway.
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Had to watch the game on DVR because I was traveling, but another great win. Top seed in the NFC. Peaking at the right time.
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Big game on Monday against the Ravens. Possible Super Bowl preview.
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Big game on Monday against the Ravens. Possible Super Bowl preview.
I doubt the Ravens make it. Lamar always chokes in the playoffs.
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Stay healthy and they'll be tough to beat.
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I doubt the Ravens make it. Lamar always chokes in the playoffs.
That would be ok with me. ;D
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Stay healthy and they'll be tough to beat.
I agree. This is the best Niner team since Young and Montana.
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Big game on Monday against the Ravens. Possible Super Bowl preview.
I don’t think there’s any way Baltimore beats them in San Fran. And I’m a Baltimore fan.
I also agree, until he shows otherwise, with Humble Narcissist that Lamar has not lived up to the hype come playoff time.
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Well I am shocked about the way they played out.
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Well I am shocked about the way they played out.
No reason to show all the cards now.
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I don’t think there’s any way Baltimore beats them in San Fran. And I’m a Baltimore fan.
I also agree, until he shows otherwise, with Humble Narcissist that Lamar has not lived up to the hype come playoff time.
Well that was ugly. The Ravens were clearly the better team on Monday. Jackson looked good. Purdy was obviously off his game. This will actually be a good matchup if both teams make it to the Super Bowl.
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Well that was ugly. The Ravens were clearly the better team on Monday. Jackson looked good. Purdy was obviously off his game. This will actually be a good matchup if both teams make it to the Super Bowl.
I agree with you on a rematch being better. But, I'm way more confident in San Francisco getting to the Super Bowl than I am Baltimore.
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I agree with you on a rematch being better. But, I'm way more confident in San Francisco getting to the Super Bowl than I am Baltimore.
Well they both locked up the top seeds, so the odds of both getting to the Super Bowl are pretty good. Jackson has been lighting it up. Five TDs on Sunday. Purdy had a nice bounce back. Would be a pretty good matchup on paper. Looking forward to it. It has been a long drought for me as a Niner fan.
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Well they both locked up the top seeds, so the odds of both getting to the Super Bowl are pretty good. Jackson has been lighting it up. Five TDs on Sunday. Purdy had a nice bounce back. Would be a pretty good matchup on paper. Looking forward to it. It has been a long drought for me as a Niner fan.
Do you think one or both teams will rest their QB's next week? This is something that can benefit or backfire having a QB not play for 3 weeks.
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Do you think one or both teams will rest their QB's next week? This is something that can benefit or backfire having a QB not play for 3 weeks.
No doubt. Shanahan already said McCaffrey is out. He will probably play Purdy no more than the first half. Maybe just the first quarter. Armstead is out. Juan Jennings is probably out again. The safety Brown is out. Aaron Banks is probably out. They really needed this bye.
The Ravens would be crazy not to rest an injury prone Lamar Jackson.
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No doubt. Shanahan already said McCaffrey is out. He will probably play Purdy no more than the first half. Maybe just the first quarter. Armstead is out. Juan Jennings is probably out again. The safety Brown is out. Aaron Banks is probably out. They really needed this bye.
The Ravens would be crazy not to rest an injury prone Lamar Jackson.
The only risk to keeping Lamar out that long is he could go stone cold in their first playoff game. But his injury potential is high like you said so they are caught between a rock and a hard place.
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The only risk to keeping Lamar out that long is he could go stone cold in their first playoff game. But his injury potential is high like you said so they are caught between a rock and a hard place.
Shanahan confirmed that Purdy is out. The Rams are sitting their starting QB too.
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Headed into the post season with the no. 1 seed and only one major injury (Hafanga) is about as good as it gets. I really hope this is the year. Been waiting a long time.
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Headed into the post season with the no. 1 seed and only one major injury (Hafanga) is about as good as it gets. I really hope this is the year. Been waiting a long time.
No way. Detroit has been waiting a long time.
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No way. Detroit has been waiting a long time.
I'm a very selfish sports fan. I really only care about my teams. It has been 29 years. That's like a lifetime.
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I'm a very selfish sports fan. I really only care about my teams. It has been 29 years. That's like a lifetime.
:D I get it. I'm a Bengal's fan.
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:D I get it. I'm a Bengal's fan.
They have some great pieces.
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How bout them Cowboys? ;D The only thing better than my Niners winning is the Cowboys losing.
I'm thinking it's SF v. Detroit in the NFC Championship game.
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How bout them Cowboys? ;D The only thing better than my Niners winning is the Cowboys losing.
I'm thinking it's SF v. Detroit in the NFC Championship game.
Has McCarthy been shitcanned yet? Jones looked pissed after the game. ;D
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They have some great pieces.
Yes, the QB Browning has a smoke show for a girlfriend.
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I was 4-1 ATS this weekend, including picking GB with the money line.
That said SF will pick them apart this week.
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Has McCarthy been shitcanned yet? Jones looked pissed after the game. ;D
The camera shots of Jerry Jones losing over the years are priceless. ;D
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Yes, the QB Browning has a smoke show for a girlfriend.
She has been making headlines.
The story behind Jake Browning’s girlfriend Stephanie Niles’ viral outfit
By Jenna Lemoncelli
Published Jan. 12, 2024
https://nypost.com/2024/01/12/sports/the-story-behind-jake-brownings-girlfriend-stephanie-niles-outfit/
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I was 4-1 ATS this weekend, including picking GB with the money line.
That said SF will pick them apart this week.
I hope so.
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She has been making headlines.
The story behind Jake Browning’s girlfriend Stephanie Niles’ viral outfit
By Jenna Lemoncelli
Published Jan. 12, 2024
https://nypost.com/2024/01/12/sports/the-story-behind-jake-brownings-girlfriend-stephanie-niles-outfit/
Pretty hot chick for a backup.
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Pretty hot chick for a backup.
He's only making $750k, but that's probably enough for a trophy girlfriend/wife. ;D
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He's only making $750k, but that's probably enough for a trophy girlfriend/wife. ;D
She's waiting for the big contract.
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She's waiting for the big contract.
He’s exclusive rights FA which means next year they pay him $950k and there’s nothing he can do about it. Two years from now he gets his pay day, but by then he’ll be pushing 30. Will she hang around that long? He hasn’t wifed her up yet.
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He’s exclusive rights FA which means next year they pay him $950k and there’s nothing he can do about it. Two years from now he gets his pay day, but by then he’ll be pushing 30. Will she hang around that long? He hasn’t wifed her up yet.
He'd be smart not to, ever.
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Niners Lions NFCCG. Dan Campbell has his team dialed in, they’ll tough.
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Niners Lions NFCCG. Dan Campbell has his team dialed in, they’ll tough.
It's good that SF had a tough game against GB. They won't overlook Detroit.
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It's good that SF had a tough game against GB. They won't overlook Detroit.
I agree.
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Lions performed the biggest choke job in recent memory.
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Lions performed the biggest choke job in recent memory.
Shit ton of bad luck too.
How about that INT turned to TD!
One, or two balls thru hands in the end zone.
It is their thing to fo for it with 4th down but should’ve kicked field goal near the end.
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Unbelievable comeback. I really like the Lions head coach. They have a great team. I can see a Lions v. Chargers Super Bowl in the near future. But I'm stoked to have my boys positioned to win it all. It has been a long time.
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Unbelievable comeback. I really like the Lions head coach. They have a great team. I can see a Lions v. Chargers Super Bowl in the near future. But I'm stoked to have my boys positioned to win it all. It has been a long time.
Probably the best coach the Lions have ever had. SF vs KC Super Bowl has the potential to be epic.
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Probably the best coach the Lions have ever had. SF vs KC Super Bowl has the potential to be epic.
Should be a great game.
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Probably the best coach the Lions have ever had. SF vs KC Super Bowl has the potential to be epic.
It really should be.
Only thing as a gambler that concerns me is that SF has not looked like the world beaters they are in the playoffs, and maybe they are due.
Can't lose though - if KC wins then Mahomes gets into the "better than Brady" discussions, and if SF wins, they tie NE for SB wins. F the Pats.
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It really should be.
Only thing as a gambler that concerns me is that SF has not looked like the world beaters they are in the playoffs, and maybe they are due.
Can't lose though - if KC wins then Mahomes gets into the "better than Brady" discussions, and if SF wins, they tie NE for SB wins. F the Pats.
Dogs have covered the SB overwhelmingly in the last 24 years.
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It really should be.
Only thing as a gambler that concerns me is that SF has not looked like the world beaters they are in the playoffs, and maybe they are due.
Can't lose though - if KC wins then Mahomes gets into the "better than Brady" discussions, and if SF wins, they tie NE for SB wins. F the Pats.
mahomes has no argument and won't have an argument until he gets to 8 super bowls
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mahomes has no argument and won't have an argument until he gets to 8 super bowls
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I agree it's premature to put Mahomes in the Brady discussion, but Mahomes is already an all-time great. Just incredible what he has accomplished so far.
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I definitely see this team as better than the 2020 team that had a ten point lead against KC in the fourth quarter of the Super Bowl. Purdy is much better than Jimmy G and just that alone could be the difference. But CMC is an absolute stud and difference maker. Deebo, Aiyuk, Jennings, and Kittle are about as solid a receiving corp as you can get. Trent Williams is a Hall of Famer. Bosa is on fire. Fred Warner is an all pro. Ward is a shut down corner. Only thing that worries me is Moody. I really hate kickers. And of course Mahomes is a winner.
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Tough loss by my Niners. They had their chances. Cannot let Mahomes hang around. He's just too good.
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Tough loss by my Niners. They had their chances. Cannot let Mahomes hang around. He's just too good.
Does Andy Reid retire?
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Does Andy Reid retire?
Already said he's coming back.
...Why wouldn't he, he's got the greatest meal ticket going in the sport right now.
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I bet the Chiefs every playoff series.
Unfortunately, had slightly larger wagers on SF vs GB and Det, so profits were minimal.
Biggest payout chance was having SF 0 and KC 7 in the squares, and was convinced KC was going in the end zone before the half. Mahomes faked instead of hitting the seam and that was that - would have won a nice 2.5K.
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Does Andy Reid retire?
Nah. He's in the middle of a dynasty.
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Already said he's coming back.
...Why wouldn't he, he's got the greatest meal ticket going in the sport right now.
Yeah, I was hoping.
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Nah. He's in the middle of a dynasty.
Yeah, he'd be crazy to step out now.
Funny thing, he had a rep as a playoff-choker coach.
Now the complete opposite.
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Yeah, he'd be crazy to step out now.
Funny thing, he had a rep as a playoff-choker coach.
Now the complete opposite.
Philly fans probably hate him.
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Philly fans probably hate him.
They hate everyone.
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They hate everyone.
Even Santa Claus.
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the niners should make a big trade for a top quarterback
the have so much talent throughout the roster, they can spare a few pro bowlers
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the niners should make a big trade for a top quarterback
the have so much talent throughout the roster, they can spare a few pro bowlers
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How long can they keep that team together? Keeping that roster under the salary cap must be a nightmare for the GM and owner.
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How long can they keep that team together? Keeping that roster under the salary cap must be a nightmare for the GM and owner.
Helps that Purdy is making peanuts on a 7th round pick on a rookie deal.
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How long can they keep that team together? Keeping that roster under the salary cap must be a nightmare for the GM and owner.
that's why the time to act is now
they gave up a lot to get trey lance, so what is stopping them from doing the same for a proven quarterback
make buffalo or cincinnatti an offer they can't refuse
3 1st round picks and 2 pro bowl players
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that's why the time to act is now
they gave up a lot to get trey lance, so what is stopping them from doing the same for a proven quarterback
make buffalo or cincinnatti an offer they can't refuse
3 1st round picks and 2 pro bowl players
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No way in Hell is Cincy giving up Burrow. The fans would burn down the stadium and execute the owner.
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the niners should make a big trade for a top quarterback
the have so much talent throughout the roster, they can spare a few pro bowlers
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They already have a top QB.
Who could they realistically trade for?
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How long can they keep that team together? Keeping that roster under the salary cap must be a nightmare for the GM and owner.
They have done a masterful job of assembling a roster and managing the salary cap. I don't think there will much change in the core group next year. Biggest thing they need to do with current players is extend Aiyuk.
Not sure what they care going to do with Chase Young, but I am not a fan after what I saw since joining the Niners. But maybe he will perform better under a new defensive coordinator?
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No way in Hell is Cincy giving up Burrow. The fans would burn down the stadium and execute the owner.
Of course they are not trading him.
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They have done a masterful job of assembling a roster and managing the salary cap. I don't think there will much change in the core group next year. Biggest thing they need to do with current players is extend Aiyuk.
Not sure what they care going to do with Chase Young, but I am not a fan after what I saw since joining the Niners. But maybe he will perform better under a new defensive coordinator?
Chase Young is definitely gone and he will get paid less than expected wherever he goes. He didn't do much at all for the Niners and he is injured most of the time.
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No way in Hell is Cincy giving up Burrow. The fans would burn down the stadium and execute the owner.
probably not but the 49ers can make an offer they can't refuse, they were willing to give away 2 first round picks for trey lance so make a huge offer for a proven guy
they have now lost 3 super bowls since 2012, this is a franchise that used to brag about being undefeated in super bowls and now they are starting to look more like the 90's buffalo bills
the difference in their 3 losses was quarterback play, they keep making it to the super bowl with mediocre quarterbacks but it goes to show you need an elite one to win
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They already have a top QB.
Who could they realistically trade for?
you think brock purdy is a top qb?
i think he's a solid guy at best that benefited by being on a team with pro bowlers at every position
give up some of those pro bowlers and a few first round picks, it doesn't have to be Burrow or Allen maybe somebody else that hasn't quite reached their potential like trevor lawrence or justin herbert
it worked for the rams
purdy has a limited ceiling, i could be wrong but i don't see him as a difference maker
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you think brock purdy is a top qb?
i think he's a solid guy at best that benefited by being on a team with pro bowlers at every position
give up some of those pro bowlers and a few first round picks, it doesn't have to be Burrow or Allen maybe somebody else that hasn't quite reached their potential like trevor lawrence or justin herbert
it worked for the rams
purdy has a limited ceiling, i could be wrong but i don't see him as a difference maker
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Yeah, Lawrence or Herbert would definitely put them over the top. How many good QB's are available in the draft?
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you think brock purdy is a top qb?
i think he's a solid guy at best that benefited by being on a team with pro bowlers at every position
give up some of those pro bowlers and a few first round picks, it doesn't have to be Burrow or Allen maybe somebody else that hasn't quite reached their potential like trevor lawrence or justin herbert
it worked for the rams
purdy has a limited ceiling, i could be wrong but i don't see him as a difference maker
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Hey I was all in on Trey Lance and don't believe he got a fair shake. But with Purdy I just kept an open mind. He's really good. Definitely made a believer out of me after watching every one of his starts the past two seasons.
In addition to game film, which is most persuasive to me, just look at his numbers. He has won almost every game he has started. He led all NFL QBs in numerous categories this season. He set the all-time Niner QB passing record. He led three go ahead scoring drives in the fourth quarter and overtime of the Super Bowl. He processes and sees the field as well as anyone I've seen.
I think it would be a mistake to break up the best roster in the NFL. They don't need an overhaul. They need tweaks. Their biggest needs are right tackle, right guard, and corner depth. They also need a solid answer at DE opposite Bosa. Will also have a hole to fill with Greenlaw likely out for the year. That's a huge loss because he is a stud.
But overall, I don't think it makes sense to trade for someone else when you have someone in the building who has performed at such a high level for two seasons now.
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Yeah, Lawrence or Herbert would definitely put them over the top. How many good QB's are available in the draft?
I don't think either one of them would have performed any better than Purdy. Look at the numbers.
How many good QBs in the draft? Who knows? Could be three or four or more. Could be none. Such a crapshoot, especially with those lousy NFL scouts and talent evaluators. Caleb Williams is the consensus No. 1 pick, so Fields is likely getting traded (unless all the prognosticators are wrong).
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I don't think either one of them would have performed any better than Purdy. Look at the numbers.
How many good QBs in the draft? Who knows? Could be three or four or more. Could be none. Such a crapshoot, especially with those lousy NFL scouts and talent evaluators. Caleb Williams is the consensus No. 1 pick, so Fields is likely getting traded (unless all the prognosticators are wrong).
Lawrence is way better than Purdy. He took a terrible team to the playoffs in his 2nd year. Purdy is playing on an all star team.
There is no way I would draft Caleb Williams. He is going to be a locker room cancer.
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I wonder if they, or any other QB needy team wishes they had tried to get Lamar?
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Yeah, he'd be crazy to step out now.
Funny thing, he had a rep as a playoff-choker coach.
Now the complete opposite.
I think it had more to do with McNabb. He was not a winner. Some people just can’t rise to the occasion. He’s the epitome of one of those people who hoped for defeat to relieve the pressure from himself.
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Hey I was all in on Trey Lance and don't believe he got a fair shake. But with Purdy I just kept an open mind. He's really good. Definitely made a believer out of me after watching every one of his starts the past two seasons.
In addition to game film, which is most persuasive to me, just look at his numbers. He has won almost every game he has started. He led all NFL QBs in numerous categories this season. He set the all-time Niner QB passing record. He led three go ahead scoring drives in the fourth quarter and overtime of the Super Bowl. He processes and sees the field as well as anyone I've seen.
I think it would be a mistake to break up the best roster in the NFL. They don't need an overhaul. They need tweaks. Their biggest needs are right tackle, right guard, and corner depth. They also need a solid answer at DE opposite Bosa. Will also have a hole to fill with Greenlaw likely out for the year. That's a huge loss because he is a stud.
But overall, I don't think it makes sense to trade for someone else when you have someone in the building who has performed at such a high level for two seasons now.
i see your points, the 49ers would've won if they didn't change the OT rules
but i think they can easily replace any pro bowl player they trade, this is essentially their 3rd different super bowl roster and 3rd different quarterback since 2012 so nobody on their team should be untouchable considering how well they draft and scout
a top QB would make them unstoppable and that is not easy to find in the draft, i don't think purdy is that guy
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I think it had more to do with McNabb. He was not a winner. Some people just can’t rise to the occasion. He’s the epitome of one of those people who hoped for defeat to relieve the pressure from himself.
Kinda like Lamar.
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Lawrence is way better than Purdy. He took a terrible team to the playoffs in his 2nd year. Purdy is playing on an all star team.
There is no way I would draft Caleb Williams. He is going to be a locker room cancer.
How is Lawrence way better than Purdy? Not statistically, because Purdy's numbers are better in pretty much every category: TDs, INTs, completion percentage, yards, yards per attempt, passer rating, etc.
If you are basing it on the eyeball test, I've only watched Lawrence play a few times, so I don't have a completely informed opinion about him, but I have watched every one of Purdy's starts. Purdy isn't successful solely because of his supporting cast. He is reading the field, putting the ball on the money, has great pocket presence, etc.
Regarding Wiliams, I don't think I've seen a mock draft projection that doesn't have him going No. 1 overall. The more interesting question to me is who gets Justin Fields? I just read a projection having him go to the Steelers.
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i see your points, the 49ers would've won if they didn't change the OT rules
but i think they can easily replace any pro bowl player they trade, this is essentially their 3rd different super bowl roster and 3rd different quarterback since 2012 so nobody on their team should be untouchable considering how well they draft and scout
a top QB would make them unstoppable and that is not easy to find in the draft, i don't think purdy is that guy
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Purdy is miles ahead of Kaepernick and Jimmy G. Plus Kaepernick played under a different coach and system with different players.
If you are looking at stats, Purdy is one of the best QBs in the NFL the past two seasons. If you're looking at wins, he took the team to the NFC Championship game last year and likely would have beaten the Eagles if he didn't get hurt. And he led his team to the Super Bowl this year and played well enough for them to win. He has won almost every game he has started. What more do you want from a QB?
Have you actually watched him play?
Check out this summary. Sounds like a top QB to me.
Brock Purdy's regular season year is done. Here's where he ranks statistically.
This season - Overall numbers
1st in passer rating.
1st in ESPN's QBR
2nd in TD Passes
2nd in completion percentage
1st in yards per attempt
20th in passing attempts
2nd in passing yards
This season - Advanced stats
1st in success rate
1st in ANY/A
10 in intended air yards per attempt
1st in YAC per completion
1st in EPA per play
1st in CPOE
Historical:
Purdy has the best EPA per play since 2012, best success rate in 2012, and the 4th best CPOE below russell wilson, peyton manning and drew brees.
Purdy has the best yards per attempt since Kurt Warner's 2000 MVP season(9.6)
Purdy has the best ANY/A since Matt Ryan's MVP season(Purdy is at 9.01 and Ryan was at 9.03)
Overall this is a historically great QB season and we haven't seen a QB elevate a Shanahan offense like this since Matt Ryan. Purdy is also pretty clearly the best QB the niners have had since Steve Young.
https://www.reddit.com/r/49ers/comments/18w6yuf/brock_purdys_regular_season_year_is_done_heres/
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From RGIII:
Robert Griffin III
@RGIII
The truth is Brock Purdy was the best QB in the NFL THIS SEASON. He showed that he can play at a Super Bowl level, no moment is to big for him and the real Mr. Irrelevants are the opinions of those who tear him down to prop themselves up.
Robert Griffin III
@RGIII
Brock Purdy THIS SEASON
1st in QBR, Passer Rating, Yards per attempt, TD% per pass attempt, EPA per play
3rd in Completed Air Yds per Attempt (meaning he isn’t a check down merchant)
4th in Completion %
5th in Passing Yards
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Kinda like Lamar.
Shots fired!
Seriously though, until he can prove otherwise, Lamar is a choker.
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Purdy is miles ahead of Kaepernick and Jimmy G. Plus Kaepernick played under a different coach and system with different players.
If you are looking at stats, Purdy is one of the best QBs in the NFL the past two seasons. If you're looking at wins, he took the team to the NFC Championship game last year and likely would have beaten the Eagles if he didn't get hurt. And he led his team to the Super Bowl this year and played well enough for them to win. He has won almost every game he has started. What more do you want from a QB?
Have you actually watched him play?
Check out this summary. Sounds like a top QB to me.
Brock Purdy's regular season year is done. Here's where he ranks statistically.
This season - Overall numbers
1st in passer rating.
1st in ESPN's QBR
2nd in TD Passes
2nd in completion percentage
1st in yards per attempt
20th in passing attempts
2nd in passing yards
This season - Advanced stats
1st in success rate
1st in ANY/A
10 in intended air yards per attempt
1st in YAC per completion
1st in EPA per play
1st in CPOE
Historical:
Purdy has the best EPA per play since 2012, best success rate in 2012, and the 4th best CPOE below russell wilson, peyton manning and drew brees.
Purdy has the best yards per attempt since Kurt Warner's 2000 MVP season(9.6)
Purdy has the best ANY/A since Matt Ryan's MVP season(Purdy is at 9.01 and Ryan was at 9.03)
Overall this is a historically great QB season and we haven't seen a QB elevate a Shanahan offense like this since Matt Ryan. Purdy is also pretty clearly the best QB the niners have had since Steve Young.
https://www.reddit.com/r/49ers/comments/18w6yuf/brock_purdys_regular_season_year_is_done_heres/
i'm just going by the eyeball test, i watched the playoff games and the game against the steelers, a little bit of the christmas game against the ravens
i could be wrong, but i am not confident in him
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i'm just going by the eyeball test, i watched the playoff games and the game against the steelers, a little bit of the christmas game against the ravens
i could be wrong, but i am not confident in him
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Well that is the best way to evaluate a player IMO. Stats matter, but I definitely trust what I see more than numbers.
Keep in mind this is only his second year in the league. More of a rhetorical question, but how many QBs have you seen have this kind of success in their first two years in the league? And he will only get better, especially when they shore up the right side of the o-line.
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Well that is the best way to evaluate a player IMO. Stats matter, but I definitely trust what I see more than numbers.
Keep in mind this is only his second year in the league. More of a rhetorical question, but how many QBs have you seen have this kind of success in their first two years in the league? And he will only get better, especially when they shore up the right side of the o-line.
He has been very successful but how many QB's have ever had that kind of talent around them?
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He has been very successful but how many QB's have ever had that kind of talent around them?
Lots of QBs have played with talented rosters. But a talented roster isn't the reason Purdy sees the field as well as he does, goes through his progressions, finds the open receiver, hits them in stride in tight windows, has great pocket presence and can scramble pretty well.
I do agree that having talented skill position players definitely helps, but I cannot discount what I've seen the past two years. Also, if you look at the Super Bowl, he completed big time passes to the third and fourth receivers (Jennings and McCloud). In fact, Jennings might have been the MVP if they could have completed his last pass attempt for a TD late in the game.
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Pretty cool gesture and shows what the top defensive coordinator in the NFL thinks about Purdy:
“I think Brock Purdy… is terrific,” said Spagnuolo. “I didn’t find many (holes in his game).” Purdy finished the game with 23 completions for 255 yards and a touchdown.
The 49ers were marching down the field in overtime with chances at scoring a touchdown but were stalled by the Chiefs’ stingy defense. Purdy was sharp on the drive, showing poise under intense pressure from Chris Jones and others, garnering respect from Spagnuolo.
“I’ll be honest with you. I just texted Brock (Purdy) the other day,” Spagnuolo explained. “I tried to track down his number. I just wanted to tell him how much respect I have for him. What a terrific game he played. He’s such a quality guy, a strong Christian man, and I respect him.”
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https://chiefswire.usatoday.com/2024/02/26/kansas-city-chiefs-steve-spagnuolo-texted-san-francisco-49ers-brock-purdy-after-super-bowl-lviii/
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Well that is the best way to evaluate a player IMO. Stats matter, but I definitely trust what I see more than numbers.
Keep in mind this is only his second year in the league. More of a rhetorical question, but how many QBs have you seen have this kind of success in their first two years in the league? And he will only get better, especially when they shore up the right side of the o-line.
plenty of guys looked good their first two years and then fell off the map and regressed
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plenty of guys looked good their first two years and then fell off the map and regressed
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I cannot recall any who went to the NFC Championship and Super Bowl in the their first two years, and then regressed. If there are some, there cannot be that many.
Overall, I think people just cannot get over the fact that Purdy was the last pick in the draft. If he was a first round pick they would be talking about him like was Peyton Manning. (No I'm not saying he's as good as Manning.)
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I cannot recall any who went to the NFC Championship and Super Bowl in the their first two years, and then regressed. If there are some, there cannot be that many.
Overall, I think people just cannot get over the fact that Purdy was the last pick in the draft. If he was a first round pick they would be talking about him like was Peyton Manning. (No I'm not saying he's as good as Manning.)
He may not regress but the Niners probably will. It is very difficult to keep winning at that level year after year. I see KC regressing next year as well.
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I cannot recall any who went to the NFC Championship and Super Bowl in the their first two years, and then regressed. If there are some, there cannot be that many.
Overall, I think people just cannot get over the fact that Purdy was the last pick in the draft. If he was a first round pick they would be talking about him like was Peyton Manning. (No I'm not saying he's as good as Manning.)
mark sanchez made it to the afc championship his first 2 years, plenty looked great as rookies and then regressed greatly, RG3 comes to mind
yeah purdy is well accomplished for his first 2 years, but that roster is loaded
and yes it is hard to get passed him being mr. irrelevant
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He may not regress but the Niners probably will. It is very difficult to keep winning at that level year after year. I see KC regressing next year as well.
Definitely hard to keep winning every year, but I think the only thing that will prevent them from winning is injuries.
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mark sanchez made it to the afc championship his first 2 years, plenty looked great as rookies and then regressed greatly, RG3 comes to mind
yeah purdy is well accomplished for his first 2 years, but that roster is loaded
and yes it is hard to get passed him being mr. irrelevant
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I just looked at the Sanchez stats. He actually did better for a short while after this first two years. And here are his numbers the first three years:
2009: 2444 yards, 12 TDs, 20 INTs, 53.8 completion percentage, 63 percent passer rating
2010: 3291 yards, 17 TDs, 13 INTs, 54.8 completion percentage, 75.3 percent passer rating
2011: 3474 yards, 26 TDs, 18 INTs, 56.7 completion percentage, 78.2 percent passer rating.
Regressed in 2012.
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/S/SancMa00.htm
Not exactly stellar and nowhere near what Purdy did the past couple years.
It's possible Purdy could regress, but I will be surprised if he gets worse instead of better.
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I just looked at the Sanchez stats. He actually did better for a short while after this first two years. And here are his numbers the first three years:
2009: 2444 yards, 12 TDs, 20 INTs, 53.8 completion percentage, 63 percent passer rating
2010: 3291 yards, 17 TDs, 13 INTs, 54.8 completion percentage, 75.3 percent passer rating
2011: 3474 yards, 26 TDs, 18 INTs, 56.7 completion percentage, 78.2 percent passer rating.
Regressed in 2012.
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/S/SancMa00.htm
Not exactly stellar and nowhere near what Purdy did the past couple years.
It's possible Purdy could regress, but I will be surprised if he gets worse instead of better.
Purdy would have a SB win if his team didn't run into a legend in his prime.
Mahomes is on another level right now.
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Purdy would have a SB win if his team didn't run into a legend in his prime.
Mahomes is on another level right now.
a lot of guys could say the same
Mahomes wasn't that great in the super bowl, he needed 5 full quarters just to get 300 yards passing
i think this is a weak era of quarterbacks
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He may not regress but the Niners probably will. It is very difficult to keep winning at that level year after year. I see KC regressing next year as well.
I think KC already did regress. Last years superbowl they had many rookies on roster playing defence, this year they were much better. They all have,what, at least a year of contracts left?
Offence wasn’t as spectacular as it was couple of years earlier but they ran a lot.
Biggest to me for Kansas was that they peaked at the right time.
Funny thing about QBs. Garappolo was the next big thing in SanFran but that one overthrown deep crossing route in SuperBowl and he suddenly became a bum, liability.
Brock came to similar situation than Dak Prescott did. Great team around him. It is not his fault.
Just put the ball into playmakers hands.
Still, odd that high picked qb from couple of years age didn’t manage…although 49ers didn’t have CMC yet. One more in the box makes a big difference to reading routes.
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I think KC already did regress. Last years superbowl they had many rookies on roster playing defence, this year they were much better. They all have,what, at least a year of contracts left?
Offence wasn’t as spectacular as it was couple of years earlier but they ran a lot.
Biggest to me for Kansas was that they peaked at the right time.
Funny thing about QBs. Garappolo was the next big thing in SanFran but that one overthrown deep crossing route in SuperBowl and he suddenly became a bum, liability.
Brock came to similar situation than Dak Prescott did. Great team around him. It is not his fault.
Just put the ball into playmakers hands.
Still, add that high picked qb from couple of years age didn’t manage…although 49ers didn’t have CMC yet. One more in the box makes a big difference to reading routes.
Yeah, KC was off last year. Didn't have they bye week in the playoffs and had to win 2 road games. The Bills and Ravens chocked away a great opportunity.
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Purdy would have a SB win if his team didn't run into a legend in his prime.
Mahomes is on another level right now.
I agree.
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a lot of guys could say the same
Mahomes wasn't that great in the super bowl, he needed 5 full quarters just to get 300 yards passing
i think this is a weak era of quarterbacks
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He wasn't that great, but did anyone think when the game was on the line, he wasn't going to get it done? He wasn't great last two games, but he stays calm and makes the big drive in the clutch.
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Yeah, KC was off last year. Didn't have they bye week in the playoffs and had to win 2 road games. The Bills and Ravens chocked away a great opportunity.
Yeah, the Ravens even choked too.
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Yeah, the Ravens even choked too.
My spelling at 3 am isn't very good. ;D
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Ready to get this crapshoot of a draft over with. The Niners need to draft an OT in the first, but we shall see.
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Ready to get this crapshoot of a draft over with. The Niners need to draft an OT in the first, but we shall see.
Lot of good OLine and WR's this year. It's killing the free agent market for receivers. Teams would rather wait till the draft and get a much cheaper player for the same results.
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Lot of good OLine and WR's this year. It's killing the free agent market for receivers. Teams would rather wait till the draft and get a much cheaper player for the same results.
Yeah that's the conventional wisdom. I don't really like that approach, because the draft is so unpredictable. I would almost always take a proven player over a draft pick.
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Yeah that's the conventional wisdom. I don't really like that approach, because the draft is so unpredictable. I would almost always take a proven player over a draft pick.
I prefer free agent defensive players and offensive players in the draft.
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I prefer free agent defensive players and offensive players in the draft.
I'd take proven free agent players over draft picks for the most part.
Some talking head just proposed that the Chargers trade the no. 5 pick for Brandon Aiyuk, and then SF should draft Marvin Harrison, Jr. Seriously doubt that happens, but I wouldn't do it. Aiyuk is a confirmed stud. Harrison is just a great college player with lots of potential.
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I'd take proven free agent players over draft picks for the most part.
Some talking head just proposed that the Chargers trade the no. 5 pick for Brandon Aiyuk, and then SF should draft Marvin Harrison, Jr. Seriously doubt that happens, but I wouldn't do it. Aiyuk is a confirmed stud. Harrison is just a great college player with lots of potential.
The only problem is you usually overpay for free agents. Draft picks are cheap for their first contract. The disadvantage to draft picks is that many times you develop them and they leave right when they are peaking. This is especially true of DB's.
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The only problem is you usually overpay for free agents. Draft picks are cheap for their first contract. The disadvantage to draft picks is that many times you develop them and they leave right when they are peaking. This is especially true of DB's.
All true. The only problem is you take a huge risk with draft picks over proven players.
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Pay Brandon Aiyuk already so we can focus on football. They have another Super Bowl window this year if they stay healthy. Is it football season yet?
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Pay Brandon Aiyuk already so we can focus on football. They have another Super Bowl window this year if they stay healthy. Is it football season yet?
UFL playoffs start Saturday and CFL just started yesterday.
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UFL playoffs start Saturday and CFL just started yesterday.
I have never watched a CFL game and I doubt I ever watch a UFL game.
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I have never watched a CFL game and I doubt I ever watch a UFL game.
Surprisingly good games. I don't know if UFL will last another year. The attendance is terrible. Too bad because it's fun to watch.
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CFL game tonight on CBSsports.
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CFL game tonight on CBSsports.
Meh.
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Meh.
Good game.
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Good game.
Have the new safety rules crossed over to CFL as well.
Meaning hipdrop tackle ban, only allowed to say BOO to the quarter back etc.
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Have the new safety rules crossed over to CFL as well.
Meaning hipdrop tackle ban, only allowed to say BOO to the quarter back etc.
I don't know about the hipdrop tackle ban in the CFL. There are a lot of different rules like 3 downs instead of 4, 110 yard field, 15 yard deep end zone, goalposts on the goal line, field is wider, multiple receivers can be in motion, 1 point for touchbacks, coach can use replay for penalties, etc, etc. They do have the ticky tack no hit on sliding QB rule that NFL has as well.
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I don't know about the hipdrop tackle ban in the CFL. There are a lot of different rules like 3 downs instead of 4, 110 yard field, 15 yard deep end zone, goalposts on the goal line, field is wider, multiple receivers can be in motion, 1 point for touchbacks, coach can use replay for penalties, etc, etc. They do have the ticky tack no hit on sliding QB rule that NFL has as well.
Oh yes, my bad. It is a bit different in general as well.
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This Aiyuk contract situation is pretty irritating. The Niners should have extended him before the WR market exploded. Clearly a tactical error.
They are apparently a couple million dollars a year apart, which sounds petty. I hate when I allow myself to get emotionally caught up in billionaire owners negotiating with multi-millionaire kids about a game that is played part of the year. But it happens all the time. :-\
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This Aiyuk contract situation is pretty irritating. The Niners should have extended him before the WR market exploded. Clearly a tactical error.
They are apparently a couple million dollars a year apart, which sounds petty. I hate when I allow myself to get emotionally caught up in billionaire owners negotiating with multi-millionaire kids about a game that is played part of the year. But it happens all the time. :-\
I know, it's irritating. Some players would rather get a couple million more and play for a shitty team instead of having a real chance to win a title. They already get generational wealth contracts.
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I know, it's irritating. Some players would rather get a couple million more and play for a shitty team instead of having a real chance to win a title. They already get generational wealth contracts.
Right?
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Aiyuk signed. Trent Williams signed. Upgraded at DE opposite Bosa. The rest of the team intact. Feeling pretty good, again, if they can stay healthy.
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Aiyuk signed. Trent Williams signed. Upgraded at DE opposite Bosa. The rest of the team intact. Feeling pretty good, again, if they can stay healthy.
Staying healthy is always key. By the time the playoffs arrive half of these teams have new starters.
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Staying healthy is always key. By the time the playoffs arrive half of these teams have new starters.
I agree. We lost Hufanga during the season and Greenlaw in the Super Bowl. Not having those two contributed to SF losing to KC in the Super Bowl. You know someone is going down on pretty much every team at some point. I just hope it isn't someone like CMC.
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Jordan Mason. Holy smokes. I knew he was good, but didn't realize he was that good.
Good win by my Niners. They should be even better when CMC, Hufanga, and Greenlaw come back. And when Aiyuk stops dropping TD passes after getting paid a ton of money.
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Ugly loss to the Vikings. Got outcoached and outplayed, except for Fred Warner, who was the best football player on the field.
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Deebo out for at least two weeks with a calf strain. I saw that coming with them using him on kick returns and in the backfield with CMC out.
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Ugly loss to the Vikings. Got outcoached and outplayed, except for Fred Warner, who was the best football player on the field.
Most of these games end on the last drive of the game like tonight's MNF game.
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Most of these games end on the last drive of the game like tonight's MNF game.
Yep. Including KC.
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Yep. Including KC.
Yep. These games are coin flips.
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Yep. Including KC.
Fuck KC
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Fuck KC
I'd rather beat them.
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Terrible loss to the Rams. Some bright spots (Purdy and Jennings). A lot of bad: the defense, special teams, coaching, and Ronnie Bell. Shanahan is one stubborn mofo. There is no way Ronnie Bell should be getting reps over the rookie Jacob Cowing.
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Terrible loss to the Rams. Some bright spots (Purdy and Jennings). A lot of bad: the defense, special teams, coaching, and Ronnie Bell. Shanahan is one stubborn mofo. There is no way Ronnie Bell should be getting reps over the rookie Jacob Cowing.
It's been terrible football across the league so far probably because no one plays in preseason much anymore. We'll see if things look better in the coming weeks.
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It's been terrible football across the league so far probably because no one plays in preseason much anymore. We'll see if things look better in the coming weeks.
I agree.
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Bring back Robert Saleh as defensive coordinator.
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Bring back Robert Saleh as defensive coordinator.
Is their defense currently performing poorly?
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Is their defense currently performing poorly?
I wouldn't say poor, but definitely underperforming. Giving up too many big plays. Most importantly, poor half-time adjustments, which is usually a sign of poor coaching.
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I wouldn't say poor, but definitely underperforming. Giving up too many big plays. Most importantly, poor half-time adjustments, which is usually a sign of poor coaching.
God do I know about poor coaching.
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Dark days for my Niners. I don't think they are out of the playoff hunt given how weak the NFC West is, but they are definitely not a Super Bowl team at this point.
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Dark days for my Niners. I don't think they are out of the playoff hunt given how weak the NFC West is, but they are definitely not a Super Bowl team at this point.
Just get in and peak in the playoffs. The best team now will not be the best team in January.
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Just get in and peak in the playoffs. The best team now will not be the best team in January.
Yeah and we have the Chiefs last year as a prime example. Finished 11-6 then got hot in the playoffs.
That said, I'm really troubled by what I see. Not the same team as last year. Fatigue maybe? Not having Dre Greenlaw has been huge. Special teams suck. The RT is awful. Deebo has not been earning his pay. They still have enough talent to go on a run, but they are running out of time.
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Keep waiting for them to get it together and it's just not happening. If they make the playoffs, they would not be a team I'd want to face in the wild card round.
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Yeah and we have the Chiefs last year as a prime example. Finished 11-6 then got hot in the playoffs.
That said, I'm really troubled by what I see. Not the same team as last year. Fatigue maybe? Not having Dre Greenlaw has been huge. Special teams suck. The RT is awful. Deebo has not been earning his pay. They still have enough talent to go on a run, but they are running out of time.
Are the coach and GM in danger of losing their jobs?
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Are the coach and GM in danger of losing their jobs?
Given the success they have had, I doubt it.
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Stick a fork in my Niners. Even though they are still mathematically alive, there is no way they are contending when they stink in all three phases of the game.
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Stick a fork in my Niners. Even though they are still mathematically alive, there is no way they are contending when they stink in all three phases of the game.
Hard to play an away game without your starting QB. Rams losing last night helped a lot. If they can get it together they can still make a run.
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Hard to play an away game without your starting QB. Rams losing last night helped a lot. If they can get it together they can still make a run.
And your All Pro LT, All Pro DE, WR1, second best LB, starting CB, etc. But it's bigger than injuries. The penalties, the missed tackles, the play calling, Deebo being invisible, the lack of half time adjustments are huge. Then you have Shannahan starting Allen over Dobbs at QB and not giving Jordan Mason any reps. Big mistake.
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And your All Pro LT, All Pro DE, WR1, second best LB, starting CB, etc. But it's bigger than injuries. The penalties, the missed tackles, the play calling, Deebo being invisible, the lack of half time adjustments are huge. Then you have Shannahan starting Allen over Dobbs at QB and not giving Jordan Mason any reps. Big mistake.
Bosa being out screws up everything on defense. He is the most dominant defensive player in the NFL and covers up a lot of problems that are exposed when he's not in there.
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Bosa being out screws up everything on defense. He is the most dominant defensive player in the NFL and covers up a lot of problems that are exposed when he's not in there.
True. As soon as we went out the defense collapsed. Also, Fred Warner just revealed that he has been playing with a fractured ankle for weeks. Shades of Ronnie Lott.
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True. As soon as we went out the defense collapsed. Also, Fred Warner just revealed that he has been playing with a fractured ankle for weeks. Shades of Ronnie Lott.
Ohio State experienced the same collapse when Bosa got hurt in college. Their defense went from dominant to the shits on one season ending play.
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True. As soon as we went out the defense collapsed. Also, Fred Warner just revealed that he has been playing with a fractured ankle for weeks. Shades of Ronnie Lott.
Bet he won’t cut it off like Ronnie Lott did tho. Soft as Charmin, players these days.
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Bet he won’t cut it off like Ronnie Lott did tho. Soft as Charmin, players these days.
Bosa's dad felt his NFL career was cut short because he played through injuries. He has made sure Joey and Nick extend their careers by sitting out with injuries. Most NFL players do this now. They should take a pay cut for not playing games.
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Bosa's dad felt his NFL career was cut short because he played through injuries. He has made sure Joey and Nick extend their careers by sitting out with injuries. Most NFL players do this now. They should take a pay cut for not playing games.
Apart from signing bonuses and guaranteed parts, won’t they lose some salary?
I guesss it’s a bit more complicated. Like if a team doctor says that they should sit vs player saying he feels like it?
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Apart from signing bonuses and guaranteed parts, won’t they lose some salary?
I guesss it’s a bit more complicated. Like if a team doctor says that they should sit vs player saying he feels like it?
They won't lose as much salary as they would retiring years earlier.
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Bet he won’t cut it off like Ronnie Lott did tho. Soft as Charmin, players these days.
They don't make players like Ronnie Lott anymore.
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Well my boys are done. CMC done for the year. Mason on IR. Aiyuk done for the year. Hargrave done for the year. Hufanga out. Ward out. Bosa out. Defensive coordinator sucks. Trent Williams hurt. Deebo having a down year. Just an absolute mess.
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Well my boys are done. CMC done for the year. Mason on IR. Aiyuk done for the year. Hargrave done for the year. Hufanga out. Ward out. Bosa out. Defensive coordinator sucks. Trent Williams hurt. Deebo having a down year. Just an absolute mess.
There are some big surprises this year with teams that were expected to contend aren't. Jets and Bengals are terrible like the 49'ers.
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There are some big surprises this year with teams that were expected to contend aren't. Jets and Bengals are terrible like the 49'ers.
Yeah I expected both of those teams to do much better.
Being a rabid fan of one team can be pretty savage. But hey it was the hand I was dealt. It's a lifelong endeavor.
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Yeah I expected both of those teams to do much better.
Being a rabid fan of one team can be pretty savage. But hey it was the hand I was dealt. It's a lifelong endeavor.
At least you like a good franchise. Imagine what Cleveland fans go through.
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Back in 2017 I was living in Cleveland and they went 0-16. They still had a parade at the end of the year. Insane.
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Back in 2017 I was living in Cleveland and they went 0-16. They still had a parade at the end of the year. Insane.
They are a beaten down fan base. Decades of hope and failure.
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At least you like a good franchise. Imagine what Cleveland fans go through.
Cleveland is where NFL careers go to die. But I cannot rag on them when it has been 29 years since my boys won the Super Bowl.
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Well they are done. Some big decisions to make this offseason. I think they will pay Purdy, but much less than he would have made had he won the Super Bowl and not regressed a bit this year.
I think Deebo is probably out.
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Cleveland is where NFL careers go to die. But I cannot rag on them when it has been 29 years since my boys won the Super Bowl.
Oh yes, Dallas had one after you guys!
But you’ve had lots, way lot, more after than couple of one and dones so it isn’t talked about in the same way.
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Oh yes, Dallas had one after you guys!
But you’ve had lots, way lot, more after than couple of one and dones so it isn’t talked about in the same way.
Yeah we've got the rich history and all that like the Steelers and Cowboys, but it has been way too long. Being a sports fanatic is a real emotional roller coaster. And when all of your teams are losing it makes life less enjoyable. lol
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Down year for Niners.
What do you think will happen with Purdy.
Stats say he is your Franchise QB and should get paid as such… But, is he?
Is he really worth, whats the going rate, $55-60M a year?
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Down year for Niners.
What do you think will happen with Purdy.
Stats say he is your Franchise QB and should get paid as such… But, is he?
Is he really worth, whats the going rate, $55-60M a year?
he is not a franchise quarterback, he only excelled in previous years because of all the talent that surrounded him
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he is not a franchise quarterback, he only excelled in previous years because of all the talent that surrounded him
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There should be a line of free agent QB's who would love to have that job with that roster and coaching staff.
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he is not a franchise quarterback, he only excelled in previous years because of all the talent that surrounded him
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Kind of like Dak Prescott. Great situation, good line, receivers and running game.
When those started to fade… well, he is good and glimpses of great. Not stellar.
Brock needs to settle with decent salary so they can keep talent around him.
Then again thats also the problem with FA qb. How much can 49ers pay?
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Purdy will get offered $40 million over 3 years with $20 million guaranteed.
If he's smart he will take it and stay with the 49ers and Shanahan.
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Down year for Niners.
What do you think will happen with Purdy.
Stats say he is your Franchise QB and should get paid as such… But, is he?
Is he really worth, whats the going rate, $55-60M a year?
I think he will probably get right around $50M a year.
Glad this season is over. Lotta work to do in the offseason. They already have the talent on the roster to win the Super Bowl in 2026, with help on the O and D lines. Assuming everyone is healthy.
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Kind of like Dak Prescott. Great situation, good line, receivers and running game.
When those started to fade… well, he is good and glimpses of great. Not stellar.
Brock needs to settle with decent salary so they can keep talent around him.
Then again thats also the problem with FA qb. How much can 49ers pay?
didn't dak lead the league in touchdown passes last year? he's much more talented than brock and the cowboys roster during his career was never close to the 49ers, they had a pro bowl player at every position last year
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didn't dak lead the league in touchdown passes last year? he's much more talented than brock and the cowboys roster during his career was never close to the 49ers, they had a pro bowl player at every position last year
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Might be? He certainly isn’t bad. It’s just… doesn’t seem cool and collected, always in a rush.
Anyway some of those stats are because they were always losing and had to catch up.
Roster was good in his first year. Zeke was fresh and O-line hadn’t faded yet. Was Dez still there. Amari Cooper and then that one who went to Raiders…(Gallop)? Little white slot guy too.
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didn't dak lead the league in touchdown passes last year? he's much more talented than brock and the cowboys roster during his career was never close to the 49ers, they had a pro bowl player at every position last year
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Dak has never been to the NFC Championship game or the Super Bowl, nor has he been a play or two away from winning the Super Bowl. Not much of a comparison.
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Dak has never been to the NFC Championship game or the Super Bowl, nor has he been a play or two away from winning the Super Bowl. Not much of a comparison.
are you giving brock the credit for those title game appearances instead of the loaded roster he played on? not to mention the 49ers went to those games with jimmy garrappolo while the cowboys haven't been there since 1995
brock isn't in dak's class, and the league will agree with me when nobody pays him the same as dak
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Might be? He certainly isn’t bad. It’s just… doesn’t seem cool and collected, always in a rush.
Anyway some of those stats are because they were always losing and had to catch up.
Roster was good in his first year. Zeke was fresh and O-line hadn’t faded yet. Was Dez still there. Amari Cooper and then that one who went to Raiders…(Gallop)? Little white slot guy too.
passing yards are the stat that gets inflated because you are losing and need to catch up, not touchdowns
that's why roethlisberger's passing yard stats are inflated
is it dak's fault the roster has been bad? their roster has been bad for most of the last 30 years
i'm not a big fan of dak but he absolutely is better than brock
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passing yards are the stat that gets inflated because you are losing and need to catch up, not touchdowns
that's why roethlisberger's passing yard stats are inflated
is it dak's fault the roster has been bad? their roster has been bad for most of the last 30 years
i'm not a big fan of dak but he absolutely is better than brock
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The Cowboys roster is not bad.
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are you giving brock the credit for those title game appearances instead of the loaded roster he played on? not to mention the 49ers went to those games with jimmy garrappolo while the cowboys haven't been there since 1995
brock isn't in dak's class, and the league will agree with me when nobody pays him the same as dak
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I'm comparing what both accomplished. It's not close.
I've watched them both play. I don't watch every Cowboys game, but I have watched every game Purdy stated or played in. He's the real deal. Yes the pieces around him matter, but that is true of every QB. It's not like Dak was playing with scrubs.
He definitely didn't play as well this season, but the team was cursed. The amount of injuries and dysfunction were crazy.
If you don't think the Niners are going to pay Purdy then you haven't been following the local SF scene. He' going to get paid.
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The Cowboys roster is not bad.
it is nowhere near on the level of 2023 49ers, the cowboys haven't had a roster like that since 1995
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I'm comparing what both accomplished. It's not close.
I've watched them both play. I don't watch every Cowboys game, but I have watched every game Purdy stated or played in. He's the real deal. Yes the pieces around him matter, but that is true of every QB. It's not like Dak was playing with scrubs.
He definitely didn't play as well this season, but the team was cursed. The amount of injuries and dysfunction were crazy.
If you don't think the Niners are going to pay Purdy then you haven't been following the local SF scene. He' going to get paid.
you are talking about team accomplishments, purdy had a pro bowl player at every position, his team accomplishments are the same as jimmy garoppalo
so the team had problems and he faltered, and you still think he's the real deal? i never said they won't pay him, i'm saying they shouldn't
you can't pay and maintain all those stars in a salary cap league, purdy will look more and more like mr. irrelevant, their super bowl window has closed
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you are talking about team accomplishments, purdy had a pro bowl player at every position, his team accomplishments are the same as jimmy garoppalo
so the team had problems and he faltered, and you still think he's the real deal? i never said they won't pay him, i'm saying they shouldn't
you can't pay and maintain all those stars in a salary cap league, purdy will look more and more like mr. irrelevant, their super bowl window has closed
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No they were not just team accomplishments. It was Purdy making plays. Being accurate. Processing. Protecting the ball. He and Jimmy G do not belong in the same sentence. He is miles ahead of Jimmy G.
Yes I think he's the real deal because I'm looking at his entire body of work. He has been one of the best QBs in the NFL the past three years and he has the stats, wins, and game film to prove it.
The Niners keep whomever they want. It's all monopoly money. They will pay him $50 or $60M a year, but it will be front or back loaded, bonuses, restructuring, etc. like they always do.
You initially said this:
brock isn't in dak's class, and the league will agree with me when nobody pays him the same as dak
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If you are now saying the Niners will pay him, then ok.
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it is nowhere near on the level of 2023 49ers, the cowboys haven't had a roster like that since 1995
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True, but I wasn't comparing them.
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No they were not just team accomplishments. It was Purdy making plays. Being accurate. Processing. Protecting the ball. He and Jimmy G do not belong in the same sentence. He is miles ahead of Jimmy G.
Yes I think he's the real deal because I'm looking at his entire body of work. He has been one of the best QBs in the NFL the past three years and he has the stats, wins, and game film to prove it.
The Niners keep whomever they want. It's all monopoly money. They will pay him $50 or $60M a year, but it will be front or back loaded, bonuses, restructuring, etc. like they always do.
You initially said this:
If you are now saying the Niners will pay him, then ok.
but you complain about dak simply because he doesn't have the same playoff success, while jimmy G did
if you watched him play you would see he has major limitations compared to the leagues best
a salary cap league is not monopoly money like baseball, you can't pay a quarterbacks 50m a year and expect to still have a pro bowler at every other position because they want to be paid what they are worth too, so those stats and wins will be far less going forward
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but you complain about dak simply because he doesn't have the same playoff success, while jimmy G did
if you watched him play you would see he has major limitations compared to the leagues best
a salary cap league is not monopoly money like baseball, you can't pay a quarterbacks 50m a year and expect to still have a pro bowler at every other position because they want to be paid what they are worth too, so those stats and wins will be far less going forward
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If I owned a team I would draft a QB in the 1st or 2nd round every two years. After their 1st contract is up after 4 years let them go plus the backup is always a quality guy. Use all that extra cash for the rest of the roster.
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but you complain about dak simply because he doesn't have the same playoff success, while jimmy G did
if you watched him play you would see he has major limitations compared to the leagues best
a salary cap league is not monopoly money like baseball, you can't pay a quarterbacks 50m a year and expect to still have a pro bowler at every other position because they want to be paid what they are worth too, so those stats and wins will be far less going forward
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I'm not complaining about Dak. I just responded to your contention that Dak is far superior to Purdy. I disagree with that assessment. Use whatever metric you want (stats, wins, game film, etc.) and it's pretty difficult to support your viewpoint. And keep in mind Purdy was a play or two away from winning the Super Bowl, something Dak has never done. Based on the limited number of times I've watched Dak play, what I see is a very good QB who does not deliver in the clutch. I have no hate for the man, other than the fact he is a Dallas Cowboy.
I watch every year how the Niners manipulate the salary cap to keep whomever they want. They already have Pro Bowl and All Pro players all over the place and only one of them (Purdy) is on a rookie contract. They are going to lose some players, but I'm honestly not worried about the salary cap.
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I'm not complaining about Dak. I just responded to your contention that Dak is far superior to Purdy. I disagree with that assessment. Use whatever metric you want (stats, wins, game film, etc.) and it's pretty difficult to support your viewpoint. And keep in mind Purdy was a play or two away from winning the Super Bowl, something Dak has never done. Based on the limited number of times I've watched Dak play, what I see is a very good QB who does not deliver in the clutch. I have no hate for the man, other than the fact he is a Dallas Cowboy.
I watch every year how the Niners manipulate the salary cap to keep whomever they want. They already have Pro Bowl and All Pro players all over the place and only one of them (Purdy) is on a rookie contract. They are going to lose some players, but I'm honestly not worried about the salary cap.
They do a masterful job with the cap.
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They do a masterful job with the cap.
They really do.
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They really do.
they do and can't get over the hump because they have been limited at the most important position
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they do and can't get over the hump because they have been limited at the most important position
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Do they draft a QB this year?
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Do they draft a QB this year?
Probably, but not early. They had Tanner Mordecai on the practice squad last year. He has potential as a good backup
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T.O.'s take on Purdy v. Dak:
“I would take Brock Purdy over Dak Prescott any day, number one,” Owens stated on KNBR. “And I think, if you look at his production and how he’s played, a guy that has gone from the last pick of the draft, ‘Mr. Irrelevant,’ to relevant…I think when you have a guy like that—when you surround him with the right talent, he can be an elite quarterback.”
Purdy demonstrated elite-level play during the 2023 season when supported by a healthy roster. He set a new franchise record with 4,280 passing yards in a single season and led the 49ers to a Super Bowl appearance.
https://heavy.com/sports/nfl/san-francisco-49ers/terrell-owens-makes-bold-claim-about-brock-purdy-vs-dak-prescott/#:~:text=While%20Owens%20did%20not%20suggest,%2C%E2%80%9D%20Owens%20stated%20on%20KNBR.
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Big changes. Deebo gone. Reportedly listening to offers for Aiyuk. Trying to get Juice to take another pay cut. Hargrave about to be cut. Greenlaw hitting free agency. I have no idea how all of this will play out.