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Mens open:
1. Branch Warren
2. Fouad Abiad
3. Johnnie Jackson
4. Jojo Nitiforo
5. An Nguyen
6. Daniel Toth
7. Eddy Wilson
8. Vladimir Sizov
9. Sergey Shelestov
10. Bill Wilmore
11. Timmy Gaillard
12. Zaher Moukahal
13. Malcolm Marshall
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1. Guy Cisternino
2. Mboya Edwards
3. Thomas Benagli
4. Baitollah Abbaspour
5. Cory Mathews
6. Lorenzo Jones
7. Derik Farnsworth
8. Kevin Ofurum
9. Shavis Higa
10. Amit Sapir
11. Wendell Floyd
12. Guy Ducasse
13. Jan Kubík
14. Milton Holloway
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http://www.ifbbpro.com/results/2014-europa-dallas-scorecards/ (http://www.ifbbpro.com/results/2014-europa-dallas-scorecards/)
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Branch Warren should never ever place top 6 at any bodybuilding show. Its a travesty when someone with a physique like his wins a show.
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Branch looks like absolute shit
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"Europe Dallas Supershow", seriously? If you name a show like this, I'm not surprised you pick the goblin as the winner.
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Joke, Foud 1st, Johnny 2nd, Branch 3rd thats how it should have been.
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I expect a lot of haterade in this thread...
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-YlNEtWVGoAQ/T0dx2hZ71GI/AAAAAAAAAzg/As0eZtbx2Ug/s320/jimmy-fallon-popcorn.gif)
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Joke, Foud 1st, Johnny 2nd, Branch 3rd thats how it should have been.
johnny have no buisness in any top 3.faud 1st denial Toth 2nd branch 3rd.in 212lb baitullah got screwed big time.what a jack ass judging as usual.
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you have to be some seriously itty bitty midget to be 4 inches shorter than shawn ray
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"but he was grainy"
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Branch looks like absolute shit
Lol - let's see your pics
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fuck that shit! fouad (who was sick as shit and almost pulled out of the show)looked miles better. nice gift for branch at home. he had vowed not to do the O if he didn't win this plus he has apparently never lost when his mother is in the audience. again, fuck that shit!
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Holy crap...you gotta be shockingly short if Shawn Ray is looking down on you.
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4th. place- Jojo Nitiforo
^ I almost went into cardiac arrest! :D
Abiad got robbed!
An Nguyen-If he was remotely hard/dry,he`d look insane
Higa and Farnsworth looked the best in the 212........almost like they didn`t overcrowd their frame with way too much size..........what a concept.
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4th. place- Jojo Nitiforo
^ I almost went into cardiac arrest! :D
Abiad got robbed!
An Nguyen-If he was remotely hard/dry,he`d look insane
Higa and Farnsworth looked the best in the 212........almost like they didn`t overcrowd their frame with way too much size..........what a concept.
Sad thing is physiques that are shredded don't even place now
Everyone has that slin look :-\
Ex: stan mcquay has that old school shredded look , this was him recently at the arnold. face sunken in , just shredded. Back then this would be a top notch physique in bbing, now this would be lucky to get 10 place
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13th Place? (no-one will get this)
(http://cricket-freaks.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/3599-222341-Malcolm-Marshall-bowling-169x300.jpg)
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Branch bribing the judges?
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It's unfortunate Phil heath already has the nickname the gift. Branch seems to get so many gifts these days and the nickname would definitely be an appropriate one.
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"but he was grainy"
Yeah, sick and tired of that shit, structure and muscle bellies with decent conditioning should always win, period... Not a horrible melted midgety bag of smashed assholes...
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hometown decision.
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Branch = Garbage physique... Horrific...
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Abiad got robbed!
Remember when he used to regularly contribute on Mayhem?
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Lol - let's see your pics
99% getbiggers never post their real pics.
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How the hell does this hot mess beat this vvvvvvvv
(http://www.musculardevelopment.com/contests/1809-ifbb-europa-supershow/2014/629-branch-warren/629-branch-warren-141_final.jpg)(http://www.musculardevelopment.com/contests/1809-ifbb-europa-supershow/2014/9962-fouad-abiad/9962-fouad-abiad-109_final.jpg)
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The one legged monster
(http://www.musculardevelopment.com/contests/1809-ifbb-europa-supershow/2014/629-branch-warren/629-branch-warren-97_final.jpg)
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Yet his fellow competitors keep quiet about his gifts.
Wheres another Lee Priest when you need him.
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How the hell does this hot mess beat this vvvvvvvv
(http://www.musculardevelopment.com/contests/1809-ifbb-europa-supershow/2014/629-branch-warren/629-branch-warren-141_final.jpg)(http://www.musculardevelopment.com/contests/1809-ifbb-europa-supershow/2014/9962-fouad-abiad/9962-fouad-abiad-109_final.jpg)
2 special athletes right there
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The classic douchebag relaxed lat pose.
(http://www.musculardevelopment.com/contests/1809-ifbb-europa-supershow/2014/629-branch-warren/629-branch-warren-9_final.jpg)
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The one legged monster
(http://www.musculardevelopment.com/contests/1809-ifbb-europa-supershow/2014/629-branch-warren/629-branch-warren-97_final.jpg)
Looks like something Michelangelo carved
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Looks like something Michelangelo carved when he was pissed
fixed
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;D
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Joke, Foud 1st, Johnny 2nd, Branch 3rd thats how it should have been.
yep
My wife, who knows nothing about bodybuilding, said "that doesn't look human" when I showed her Branch Warren's pic. ::)
Oh and his right pec appears to be torn.
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;D
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(http://www.phideltatheta.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/auditorium.jpg)
The athletes' view from the stage
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(http://www.musculardevelopment.com/contests/1809-ifbb-europa-supershow/2014/9962-fouad-abiad/9962-fouad-abiad-49_final.jpg)(http://www.musculardevelopment.com/contests/1809-ifbb-europa-supershow/2014/9962-fouad-abiad/9962-fouad-abiad-41_final.jpg)(http://www.musculardevelopment.com/contests/1809-ifbb-europa-supershow/2014/9962-fouad-abiad/9962-fouad-abiad-123_final.jpg)
(http://www.musculardevelopment.com/contests/1809-ifbb-europa-supershow/2014/9962-fouad-abiad/9962-fouad-abiad-11_final.jpg)(http://www.musculardevelopment.com/contests/1809-ifbb-europa-supershow/2014/9962-fouad-abiad/9962-fouad-abiad-85_final.jpg)(http://www.musculardevelopment.com/contests/1809-ifbb-europa-supershow/2014/9962-fouad-abiad/9962-fouad-abiad-73_final.jpg)
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full video of prejudging
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Sad thing is physiques that are shredded don't even place now
Everyone has that slin look :-\
Ex: stan mcquay has that old school shredded look , this was him recently at the arnold. face sunken in , just shredded. Back then this would be a top notch physique in bbing, now this would be lucky to get 10 place
The "judges" are responsible for placings like these and that`ll continue to keep the "sport" heading in its current downward spiral. :(
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(http://www.musculardevelopment.com/contests/1809-ifbb-europa-supershow/2014/629-branch-warren/629-branch-warren-163_final.jpg)(http://www.musculardevelopment.com/contests/1809-ifbb-europa-supershow/2014/629-branch-warren/629-branch-warren-147_final.jpg)(http://www.musculardevelopment.com/contests/1809-ifbb-europa-supershow/2014/629-branch-warren/629-branch-warren-133_final.jpg)
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Remember when he used to regularly contribute on Mayhem?
Yup,him and Lou Joseph.....time flies huh? :(
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The "judges" are responsible for placings like these and that`ll continue to keep the "sport" heading in its current downward spiral. :(
Yep, they will push it downhill until it reaches a point and then turn all the competitors on their heads like they do with the womens.
The women dont know if they are coming or going, zero consistency in judging.
Look at Branch, he is similar to third tier bodybuilders yet he wins shows and the third tier get 12 and 13s.
The whole sport is a joke.
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13th Place? (no-one will get this)
(http://cricket-freaks.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/3599-222341-Malcolm-Marshall-bowling-169x300.jpg)
i don't get it but malcolm marshall was one of the finest cricketers to grace the earth.
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A poor mans Ronnie Coleman.
(http://www.musculardevelopment.com/contests/1809-ifbb-europa-supershow/2014/4408-malcolm-marshall/4408-malcolm-marshall-11_final.jpg)(http://www.musculardevelopment.com/contests/1809-ifbb-europa-supershow/2014/4408-malcolm-marshall/4408-malcolm-marshall-3_final.jpg)
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Branch's physique is like a car wreck that you can't stop looking at.
It's so bad and so hideous that you're not sure if your eyes are playing a trick on you.
I just spent 3 minutes trying to figure out if it's worse from the front or the back.
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Yup,him and Lou Joseph.....time flies huh? :(
Between Mayhem and GetBig that was a great time to be on Bodybuilding message boards.
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Lol - let's see your pics
Lol new here? Not how it works
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A Tier 3 show won by a fire hydrant. IFBB is a marketing org. They wanted to please Dallas to keep the show there. They know Branch will be a no impact at the Oly where they will consider Big Ramy this time around...that is if he has continued his English lessons.
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A Tier 3 show won by a fire hydrant. IFBB is a marketing org. They wanted to please Dallas to keep the show there. They know Branch will be a no impact at the Oly where they will consider Big Ramy this time around...that is if he has continued his English lessons.
Haha yes. English lessons to even be considered. Add a couple of more flex covers and a powder deal and he'll be eligable for top 5.
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The classic douchebag relaxed lat pose.
(http://www.musculardevelopment.com/contests/1809-ifbb-europa-supershow/2014/629-branch-warren/629-branch-warren-9_final.jpg)
WOW! This little troll is winning shows but Ronnie, even with injuries, got robbed of his 9th Mr O by an inferior Cutler
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(http://www.musculardevelopment.com/contests/1809-ifbb-europa-supershow/2014/9962-fouad-abiad/9962-fouad-abiad-73_final.jpg)
His best shape so far..
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Foaud was robbed. Branch Warren is a mess. He carries a shit ton of dry muscle but it just doesn't have any flow. Plus his torn right pec is ridiculous. I don't blame him for stepping on stage but the judging is so shitty it is absurd. If the judges had half a brain they would reward guys that have a look that is worth aspiring to. No one pics up weights for the first time wanting to look like Branch. These judges have no concept of how their shit judging is partly responsible for killing bodybuilding a popularity.
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That's not playing in the background while Branch nails his hot wife..
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Foaud was robbed. Branch Warren is a mess. He carries a shit ton of dry muscle but it just doesn't have any flow. Plus his torn right pec is ridiculous. I don't blame him for stepping on stage but the judging is so shitty it is absurd. If the judges had half a brain they would reward guys that have a look that is worth aspiring to. No one pics up weights for the first time wanting to look like Branch. These judges have no concept of how their shit judging is partly responsible for killing bodybuilding a popularity.
Well said that man!
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So the relaxed pic of Branch is what wins shows nowadays and yet Matt couldn`t turn pro in the 80s with this physique.
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Bodybuilding is dead.
1960-2001.
RIP.
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So the relaxed pic of Branch is what wins shows nowadays and yet Matt couldn`t turn pro in the 80s with this physique.
That's because he couldn't nail his condition during crunch time. Plus, I don't recall Mendenhall's ever competing in the USA or North American. He kept trying to turn pro via the Nationals.
Actually, I stand corrected. He won his class at the 1985 USA but lost the overall to Dave Hawk. But, the USA didn't become a pro qualifier until 1987 (the year Mike Quinn won it). Dave Hawk and J.J Marsh got grandfathered to pro status, from winning the show in '85 and '86 respectively.
Outside of that, according to MuscleMemory.com, he only entered the NPC Nationals. Had he tried the USA or North American, he'd been a pro a long time ago. Had he done the NAs in 1991, tell me he doesn't beat Ray McNeil for the Heavyweight and overall title.
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the sport will die soon
why would anyone put there self through that shit
to lose to a hideous abberation
branch should have retired
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the sport will die soon
why would anyone put there self through that shit
to lose to a hideous abberation
branch should have retired
This sport has been supposedly dying for years. But, it's like Rasputin. Abiad looked (relatively speaking) a bit emaciated in certain shots, compared to Warren. I would have put Jackson about Abiad.
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That's because he couldn't nail his condition during crunch time. Plus, I don't recall Mendenhall's ever competing in the USA or North American. He kept trying to turn pro via the Nationals.
Actually, I stand corrected. He won his class at the 1985 USA but lost the overall to Dave Hawk. But, the USA didn't become a pro qualifier until 1987 (the year Mike Quinn won it). Dave Hawk and J.J Marsh got grandfathered to pro status, from winning the show in '85 and '86 respectively.
Outside of that, according to MuscleMemory.com, he only entered the NPC Nationals. Had he tried the USA or North American, he'd been a pro a long time ago. Had he done the NAs in 1991, tell me he doesn't beat Ray McNeil for the Heavyweight and overall title.
I know all about Matts contest record and inability to get ripped,but my point was that a physique that good,over 30 years ago,is 100x better than the one that Branch has that wins pro shows today.
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This sport has been supposedly dying for years. But, it's like Rasputin. Abiad looked (relatively speaking) a bit emaciated in certain shots, compared to Warren. I would have put Jackson about Abiad.
It'll never disappear entirely. But it's gone from being a sport whose competitions are aired on mainstream sports channels, featuring 5-minute workout segments with professional bodybuilders giving training tips (see the cheesy Wheeler/Matarazzo videos on Youtube), to having its programming yanked entirely from television and even its most storied event (Olympia) is only available by webcast on bodybuilding.com. Magazine sales are in the toilet. Dave Palumbo is recycled on every bodybuilding expo interview cycle because they don't want to pay two people to do it. The Internet radio shows are mostly shuttered. Nobody in the general population wants to look like the IFBB guys anymore, unlike 20 years ago when guys with roided arms and fanny packs were common in the beaches of S. Florida and California.
It's as "dead" as it's going to get. There'll always be a bunch of wannabes and knaves who enlist in local shows hoping to win at nationals and go pro one day. But they're the bottom of the barrel. Just listen to them talk with a microphone.
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It'll never disappear entirely. But it's gone from being a sport whose competitions are aired on mainstream sports channels, featuring 5-minute workout segments with professional bodybuilders giving training tips (see the cheesy Wheeler/Matarazzo videos on Youtube), to having its programming yanked entirely from television and even its most storied event (Olympia) is only available by webcast on bodybuilding.com. Magazine sales are in the toilet. Dave Palumbo is recycled on every bodybuilding expo interview cycle because they don't want to pay two people to do it. The Internet radio shows are mostly shuttered. Nobody in the general population wants to look like the IFBB guys anymore, unlike 20 years ago when guys with roided arms and fanny packs were common in the beaches of S. Florida and California.
It's as "dead" as it's going to get. There'll always be a bunch of wannabes and knaves who enlist in local shows hoping to win at nationals and go pro one day. But they're the bottom of the barrel. Just listen to them talk with a microphone.
Actually, the internet has saved bodybuilding. Half the time, when bodybuilding was on TV, it was during the wee hours of the morning covering shows that had happened months beforehand (i.e. American Muscle, MuscleSport USA).
That's why I was so psyched about the WBF in the early 90s. I got to see some of my favorite bodybuilders every week. And when the WBF championships happened in 1991, I saw the results on WWF Superstars the a week later, not 4-6 months later in the magazines.
This was aired on WWF Superstars and WWF Wrestling Challenge on June 22, 1991, one week after the show occurred.
As for wanting to look like the pros, it's a generational thing. I've had people give the "That's nasty" comments to picks of ARNOLD, in his prime. And that was just a few years ago. Every past generation of bodybuilding competitors (and fans) thinks that its bodybuilders were more accepted by the mainstrean than the current crop.
Look at your magazines from 20 years ago. You'll hear bodybuilders from the 70s (and the 80s) blasting the guys of the 90s.
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As for wanting to look like the pros, it's a generational thing. I've had people give the "That's nasty" comments to picks of ARNOLD, in his prime. And that was just a few years ago. Every past generation of bodybuilding competitors (and fans) thinks that its bodybuilders were more accepted by the mainstrean than the current crop.
Look at your magazines from 20 years ago. You'll hear bodybuilders from the 70s (and the 80s) blasting the guys of the 90s.
There is zero comparison between Arnold and the IFBB pros of 2014. Or even the ones of the 1980s-1990s.
Plenty of people admired Arnold's physique even long after he stepped down from competing. Nobody admires Phil Heath's physique besides Phil Heath and a few weirdos in the audience and on bb.com
There's being bigger than average, and then there's being a walking pharmacy with deformed hanging muscle.
As for the Internet saving BBing, I question how that's possible given that bodybuilding makes its money off ticket sales and magazine subscriptions. Not guys arguing about who had the best lats in 1998 vs. today on a message board or uploading videos to youtube with shitty metal musing blaring in the background.
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There is zero comparison between Arnold and the IFBB pros of 2014. Or even the ones of the 1980s-1990s.
Plenty of people admired Arnold's physique even long after he stepped down from competing. Nobody admires Phil Heath's physique besides Phil Heath and a few weirdos in the audience and on bb.com
There's being bigger than average, and then there's being a walking pharmacy with deformed hanging muscle.
As for the Internet saving BBing, I question how that's possible given that bodybuilding makes its money off ticket sales and magazine subscriptions. Not guys arguing about who had the best lats in 1998 vs. today on a message board or uploading videos to youtube with shitty metal musing blaring in the background.
Bodybuilding makes its money selling bullshit supplements to gullible kids, and adults.
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Bodybuilding makes its money selling bullshit supplements to gullible kids, and adults.
The main tool for marketing of which was the magazines. Or so it was. Perhaps online advertisements via social media have picked up the slack.
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There is zero comparison between Arnold and the IFBB pros of 2014. Or even the ones of the 1980s-1990s.
Plenty of people admired Arnold's physique even long after he stepped down from competing. Nobody admires Phil Heath's physique besides Phil Heath and a few weirdos in the audience and on bb.com
There's being bigger than average, and then there's being a walking pharmacy with deformed hanging muscle.[/Plenty of people admired Arnold's physique even long after he stepped down from competing. Nobody admires Phil Heath's physique besides Phil Heath and a few weirdos in the audience and on bb.com
There's being bigger than average, and then there's being a walking pharmacy with deformed hanging muscle.
And plenty more people said the SAME THING about Arnold then that you're saying about Phil Heath now. "He's grotesque!". "He's a steroid monster". "He's a closet homosexual". I'm sure you'll find more than your share of folks who thought Arnold was "a walking pharmacy with deformed hanging muscle."
As for the Internet saving BBing, I question how that's possible given that bodybuilding makes its money off ticket sales and magazine subscriptions. Not guys arguing about who had the best lats in 1998 vs. today on a message board or uploading videos to youtube with shitty metal musing blaring in the background.
Again, being able to watch contests online and getting the results almost immediately vs. waiting for months has done wonders for bodybuilding. And look at the guys who are using YouTube (i.e. Kali Muscle, CT Fletcher, Rich Piana, etc.). None of them are IFBB pros; yet their names rivals many pros, in terms of recognition.
Getting on TV is no longer a harbinger of success. The net allows bodybuilding to remain 'underground' yet reach more fans without the mainstream media's help.
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Bodybuilding makes its money selling bullshit supplements to gullible kids, and adults.
The majority of supplement buyers aren't bodybuilders and have no desire to be bodybuilders.
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The majority of supplement buyers aren't bodybuilders and have no desire to be bodybuilders.
That has no bearing on what I wrote.
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Bodybuilding makes its money selling bullshit supplements to gullible kids, and adults.
hence the new physique divisions
people can look at them on a supp add and think maybe i could look like that
i would only use a branch pic on rat poison
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And plenty more people said the SAME THING about Arnold then that you're saying about Phil Heath now. "He's grotesque!". "He's a steroid monster". "He's a closet homosexual". I'm sure you'll find more than your share of folks who thought Arnold was "a walking pharmacy with deformed hanging muscle."
Nope. I really haven't, bud. His physique is admired by virtually every guy I met. He's less popular with women but that's expected. Moreover, he hadn't pushed the limits of what the human body can do, far from it. Heath, Ruhl, Ronnie, Ramy, etc. are pretty much the maximum anyone can be with human DNA. There's no comparison, like I said. Some people didn't dig the 70s BBers at the time. But nobody digs the people today.
Again, being able to watch contests online and getting the results almost immediately vs. waiting for months has done wonders for bodybuilding. And look at the guys who are using YouTube (i.e. Kali Muscle, CT Fletcher, Rich Piana, etc.). None of them are IFBB pros; yet their names rivals many pros, in terms of recognition.
Those guys are Internet phenoms to a relatively small group of subscribers to their channels. Their videos do get relatively high views, but so do many other junk videos like how to put on makeup or play an electric guitar. It doesn't translate into real-life success except in rare cases, like Bieber.
Getting on TV is no longer a harbinger of success. The net allows bodybuilding to remain 'underground' yet reach more fans without the mainstream media's help.
I'd be willing to set my life savings against that theory. Offer the average guy with a popular Youtube channel a television show on a mainstream channel, and they would drop the Internet like a bad habit.
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That has no bearing on what I wrote.
The only way these "kids" would be "gullible" is if they think taking those supplements will make them look like the bodybuilders who help advertise them.
But, if the lion's share of supplement consumers ARE NOT bodybuilders and do not WANT TO BE bodybuilders, what makes them "gullible"?
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Nope. I really haven't, bud. His physique is admired by virtually every guy I met. He's less popular with women but that's expected. Moreover, he hadn't pushed the limits of what the human body can do, far from it. Heath, Ruhl, Ronnie, Ramy, etc. are pretty much the maximum anyone can be with human DNA. There's no comparison, like I said. Some people didn't dig the 70s BBers at the time. But nobody digs the people today.
Your qualification of "some" and "nobody" is a bit subjective to say the least. If more people dug Arnold's physique, then you'd have to explain why Heath gets six-figure for being Mr. O, or why guys who placed last at the O got as much money as Arnold (and only Arnold) got for winning it.
I've met people who admired Heath's physique; and I've met people who thought Shawn Ray (hardly a monster by bodybuilding standards) was "disgusting" and all those other negative items.
Certainly enough people dig today's bodybuilders or they wouldn't have the careers they have, especially in light of the aforementioned lack of mainstream press. Heath isn't getting $200,000 for winning the O, if there isn't a substantial audience that like his look.
Those guys are Internet phenoms to a relatively small group of subscribers to their channels. Their videos do get relatively high views, but so do many other junk videos like how to put on makeup or play an electric guitar. It doesn't translate into real-life success except in rare cases, like Bieber.
That makes my point. These small groups add up over time. YouTube allows the reaching of certain niches without the need for mainstream press. The bodybuilders have to follow up on it. But, those that do can parlay success from it. Kali Muscle is a prime example. And, didn't CT Fletcher just nab an endorsement deal with MusclePharm, based on his YouTube videos. Prior to that, he was basically a retired, virtually unknown powerlifter, sidelined with a near life-ending heart attack.
I'd be willing to set my life savings against that theory. Offer the average guy with a popular Youtube channel a television show on a mainstream channel, and they would drop the Internet like a bad habit.
Perhaps, I should have phrased my previous statement better. No one's disagreeing with you on that point. BUT, my point is that a show on a mainstream channel is NO LONGER the lone gateway to success, in terms of marketing bodybuilding. That's how bodybuilding has thrived, DESPITE its being dropped from stations like ESPN, which again were aired often during the wee hours of the morning with partial coverage of contests, that happened months before that broadcast.
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Your qualification of "some" and "nobody" is a bit subjective to say the least. If more people dug Arnold's physique, then you'd have to explain why Heath gets six-figure for being Mr. O, or why guys who placed last at the O got as much money as Arnold (and only Arnold) got for winning it.
Inflation maybe?
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Inflation maybe?
To a degree. But, that doesn't account for why only the winner got paid back in Arnold's day. One year the prize money actually went DOWN, from $1000 to $750.
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Certainly enough people dig today's bodybuilders or they wouldn't have the careers they have, especially in light of the aforementioned lack of mainstream press. Heath isn't getting $200,000 for winning the O, if there isn't a substantial audience that like his look.
Money isnt just generated from ticket sales at shows, its the judges who like his look, its also the judges who like Branches look, two bodybuilders a country mile apart but winning shows.
The IFBB markets them both to make money from two sets of opposing fans.
Look at premiership football
The wage bills for the clubs far exceeds ticket sales, so where does the money come from, its merchandise, shirt sales, sponsorships advertising.
Clubs signing David Beckham in his latter years couldnt give a fuck if he could play, they just put out a "Beckham" shirt and raked in the money.
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you have to be some seriously itty bitty midget to be 4 inches shorter than shawn ray
Branch has a saggy chest! ???
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Bodybuilding = Deader Than Disco
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What a fucking shame! :(
On checking out Fouads pics again,damn did he get robbed in a big big way........must be totally discouraging.
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Your qualification of "some" and "nobody" is a bit subjective to say the least. If more people dug Arnold's physique, then you'd have to explain why Heath gets six-figure for being Mr. O, or why guys who placed last at the O got as much money as Arnold (and only Arnold) got for winning it.
I've met people who admired Heath's physique; and I've met people who thought Shawn Ray (hardly a monster by bodybuilding standards) was "disgusting" and all those other negative items.
Certainly enough people dig today's bodybuilders or they wouldn't have the careers they have, especially in light of the aforementioned lack of mainstream press. Heath isn't getting $200,000 for winning the O, if there isn't a substantial audience that like his look.
That makes my point. These small groups add up over time. YouTube allows the reaching of certain niches without the need for mainstream press. The bodybuilders have to follow up on it. But, those that do can parlay success from it. Kali Muscle is a prime example. And, didn't CT Fletcher just nab an endorsement deal with MusclePharm, based on his YouTube videos. Prior to that, he was basically a retired, virtually unknown powerlifter, sidelined with a near life-ending heart attack.
Perhaps, I should have phrased my previous statement better. No one's disagreeing with you on that point. BUT, my point is that a show on a mainstream channel is NO LONGER the lone gateway to success, in terms of marketing bodybuilding. That's how bodybuilding has thrived, DESPITE its being dropped from stations like ESPN, which again were aired often during the wee hours of the morning with partial coverage of contests, that happened months before that broadcast.
It's dead, bro. Bodybuilding is dead. Let it go. Embrace the new, healthier, more sane look society wants now. Leave the Heaths and Ruhls with the Egyptian pyramids where they belong.
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=535911.0;attach=564438;image)
(http://www.musculardevelopment.com/contests/1809-ifbb-europa-supershow/2014/629-branch-warren/629-branch-warren-9_final.jpg)
What a fucking shame! :(
On checking out Fouads pics again,damn did he get robbed in a big big way........must be totally discouraging.
Nah. He's not intelligent enough to realize it's a waste of time. He's been getting screwed for years and keeps coming back for more punishment. In that sense, he's perfectly cut out for picking up heavy things and putting them down.
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It's dead, bro. Bodybuilding is dead. Let it go. Embrace the new, healthier, more sane look society wants now. Leave the Heaths and Ruhls with the Egyptian pyramids where they belong.
Physique is taking over in a big way.
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Physique is taking over in a big way.
The only thing wrong with physique is those fucking stupid shorts..........they should just wear classic Arnold era type trunks.
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Physique is taking over in a big way.
It's actually starting to do the unthinkable and make me consider going back to the gym, starting a clean diet, and hitting the chav toaster a few times a month. Because it looks attainable and visually-pleasing (in my view) at the same time.
Looking at the guys on FLEX or MD the last few years, I couldn't even get past the first page. Half the outlets where I used to buy them took them off the shelves due to low sales.
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(http://www.musculardevelopment.com/contests/1809-ifbb-europa-supershow/2014/9962-fouad-abiad/9962-fouad-abiad-49_final.jpg)
(http://www.musculardevelopment.com/contests/1809-ifbb-europa-supershow/2014/629-branch-warren/629-branch-warren-65_final.jpg)
WTF ???
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I'll give Wes the point about the shorts, but that's a contest thing. In a pair of jeans or cargo pants, this is a very respectable look.
(http://pics.musculardevelopment.com/photos/transferred/IMG_6228%20copy_HMBZVLVWZG.jpg)
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It's actually starting to do the unthinkable and make me consider going back to the gym, starting a clean diet, and hitting the chav toaster a few times a month. Because it looks attainable and visually-pleasing (in my view) at the same time.
Looking at the guys on FLEX or MD the last few years, I couldn't even get past the first page. Half the outlets where I used to buy them took them off the shelves due to low sales.
an aesthetic shredded body with full head of hair looks more attainable than bald head bloated roid pig?
lol
wake up bro
dreaming again
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an aesthetic shredded body with full head of hair looks more attainable than bald head bloated roid pig?
lol
wake up bro
dreaming again
The hair part is not a bad point. I'm thinning like you are.
The rest, I bet a natural can do with some preworkout supps. and slightly above-average genetics. Probably won't look like the stage guys but some realistic variant of it.
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(http://www.musculardevelopment.com/contests/1809-ifbb-europa-supershow/2014/9962-fouad-abiad/9962-fouad-abiad-49_final.jpg)
(http://www.musculardevelopment.com/contests/1809-ifbb-europa-supershow/2014/629-branch-warren/629-branch-warren-65_final.jpg)
WTF ???
why does branch spread his legs wider every year while posing?
is it a delusional thing?
is he a 9 foot goliath in his mind?
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The hair part is not a bad point. I'm thinning like you are.
The rest, I bet a natural can do with some preworkout supps. and slightly above-average genetics. Probably won't look like the stage guys but some realistic variant of it.
LMAO
good one
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Branch's forearms have basically melted off. Makes it look like he has big arms attached to sticks, like kebabs.
(http://www.bfzhealth.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/arnold-classic-2014-branch-warren.jpg)
(http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/t2CG1wSASIs/maxresdefault.jpg)
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LMAO
good one
Dude, there's guys on prohormones who are bigger than you. Don't take this the wrong way, but with your stack, a hebrew would be like 40lbs heavier. You're maxed out. Time to hang it up and shoot for something realistic before your liver crumbles like Styrofoam under a tire track.
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Dude, there's guys on prohormones who are bigger than you. Don't take this the wrong way, but with your stack, a hebrew would be like 40lbs heavier. You're maxed out. Time to hang it up and shoot for something realistic.
a word that doesnt apply to you
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a word that doesnt apply to you
It's okay to be upset with your genetic limitations. We've all been there. The sooner you accept you're never going to be big or ripped no matter how many chemicals you inject crookedly in your small glutes, the happier you'll be. ;)
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It's okay to be upset with your genetic limitations. We've all been there. The sooner you accept you're never going to be big or ripped no matter how many chemicals you inject crookedly in your small glutes, the happier you'll be. ;)
yes, it is quite clear by now that Anabolichalo really has subpar genetics for bodybuilding.
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Yet his fellow competitors keep quiet about his gifts.
Wheres another Lee Priest when you need him.
At one Mr. O press conference a few years ago one guy did have a go at him. Branch kept saying 'Maybe you're not winning cause there's something wrong with your body' and he basically replied how can you win with torn muscles and there's nothing wrong with the body it's you winning looking like shit. This was after he beat Wolf in some bullshit again.
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It's okay to be upset with your genetic limitations. We've all been there. The sooner you accept you're never going to be big or ripped no matter how many chemicals you inject crookedly in your small glutes, the happier you'll be. ;)
Ice you're a smart guy but I don't agree with this. Halo built a good foundation before hopping on the juice and is pretty complete. If he is honest about his dosages and the most he has taken is test at 750mg per week I think he has plenty of potential. You don't agree?
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Ice you're a smart guy but I don't agree with this. Halo built a good foundation before hopping on the juice and is pretty complete. If he is honest about his dosages and the most he has taken is test at 750mg per week I think he has plenty of potential. You don't agree?
No, I don't. That's a dosage some guys do state level shows with here. Granted, dosages vary by person but here's an example of a guy who did nationals a few years ago after winning states and he was using 1200mg/week and 3 IUs of GH. I saw his gear as he was selling it at my gym and we've known each other years, no reason for him to BS about the amount.
Clearly blows "Leopold" out the water.
(http://tnation.t-nation.com/forum_images/auto/r/786x0/4/7//47094_ORIG-DSCN1614.jpg)
(http://tnation.t-nation.com/forum_images/c/b/cb685_ORIG-ad313_ORIG_article_006.jpg)
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_34PE0ZEgM80/TEz7hFDiagI/AAAAAAAATe0/jhjiMz-XpH8/s1600/alexandre+raymond+bodybuilder.jpg)
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_34PE0ZEgM80/TEz7jfWMejI/AAAAAAAATfE/JbczJtgwx8U/s1600/alexandre+raymond+bodybuilder+(2).jpg)
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It's dead, bro. Bodybuilding is dead. Let it go. Embrace the new, healthier, more sane look society wants now. Leave the Heaths and Ruhls with the Egyptian pyramids where they belong.
And what look is that? People thought that Shawn Ray was "too big". Heck, they'd even say that about Frank Zane if they saw him in his prime.
You're making my point, yet again. All the stuff you're saying now is almost VERBATIM what other people were saying 20 years ago.
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And what look is that? People thought that Shawn Ray was "too big". Heck, they'd even say that about Frank Zane if they saw him in his prime.
You're making my point, yet again. All the stuff you're saying now is almost VERBATIM what other people were saying 20 years ago.
Quit living in the past. All those guys you named all are retired and moved on. What others think or thought of them is not important. Focus on the present. :)
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Quit living in the past. All those guys you named all are retired and moved on. What others think or thought of them is not important. Focus on the present. :)
I'm not living in the past. I'm stating that all the stuff you're saying now, I've heard (literally) for decades about past bodybuilders.
You're the one, waxing nostalgic about Arnold and how acceptable he supposedly was. And he's far more in the past than Ray was.
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I'm not living in the past. I'm stating that all the stuff you're saying now, I've heard (literally) for decades about past bodybuilders.
You're the one, waxing nostalgic about Arnold and how acceptable he supposedly was. And he's far more in the past than Ray was.
Shut up.
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Shut up.
You first!!
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Ice your friend is definitely bigger than Halo but also running 450mg per week more plus GH. You think there would be much difference if both ran the same dosages? I don't see it personally.
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Ice your friend is definitely bigger than Halo but also running 450mg per week more plus GH. You think there would be much difference if both ran the same dosages? I don't see it personally.
We'll never know. I don't think halo has the first clue what it takes to look good on stage. That other guy's done 8 shows. I'm just saying as Mike proved in his diet thread, that there's a world of difference between looking good in HQ shots in your kitchen
and looking good on stage after you've stripped down to skin & bone like galeniko used to
another thing, most guys who cycle tend to start at a low dose and build up a certain amount of muscle every year, then increase the doses
it looks like halo went straight for the higher end of the scale and may be close to maxed on it
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Ice your friend is definitely bigger than Halo but also running 450mg per week more plus GH. You think there would be much difference if both ran the same dosages? I don't see it personally.
he's upset i pointed out physique competitors build cannot be attained natural so he start insulting me to cope with his broken dreams
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We'll never know. I don't think halo has the first clue what it takes to look good on stage. That other guy's done 8 shows. I'm just saying as Mike proved in his diet thread, that there's a world of difference between looking good in HQ shots in your kitchen
and looking good on stage after you've stripped down to skin & bone like galeniko used to
another thing, most guys who cycle tend to start at a low dose and build up a certain amount of muscle every year, then increase the doses
it looks like halo went straight for the higher end of the scale and may be close to maxed on it
mike proved in his diet thread that he's born to be fat
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he's upset i pointed out physique competitors build cannot be attained natural so he start insulting me to cope with his broken dreams
You didn't prove that can't be attained naturally. You just proved YOU can't do it, which is why you have the hormonal profile of a water buffalo but look smaller than navy_mike.
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"Europe Dallas Supershow", seriously? If you name a show like this, I'm not surprised you pick the goblin as the winner.
hahahahaha..... ;D ;D....Nuff said
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mike proved in his diet thread that he's born to be fat
when you post contest photos looking better than him, I'll agree.
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when you post contest photos looking better than him, I'll agree.
his contest photos prove it
month of dieting still looks like a marshmellow
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his contest photos prove it
month of dieting still looks like a marshmellow
It was 4 months actually. Just sayin.
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I'll give Wes the point about the shorts, but that's a contest thing. In a pair of jeans or cargo pants, this is a very respectable look.
(http://pics.musculardevelopment.com/photos/transferred/IMG_6228%20copy_HMBZVLVWZG.jpg)
Oh hell yeah,good builds for sure and not mutantlike,which is a huge plus! :D
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Oh hell yeah,good builds for sure and not mutantlike,which is a huge plus! :D
naturally attainable according to icelord, another huge plus
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naturally attainable according to icelord, another huge plus
Reread what I said.
The hair part is not a bad point. I'm thinning like you are.
The rest, I bet a natural can do with some preworkout supps. and slightly above-average genetics. Probably won't look like the stage guys but some realistic variant of it.
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Joke, Foud 1st, Johnny 2nd, Branch 3rd thats how it should have been.
An Nguyen and Jojo Nitiforo looked better than Branch as well. Nguyen had a impressive back double biceps, Faoud (sp) was more tighter in the hams and glutes than Branch. Jojo has an excellent structure---like Flex or Brian Buchanan, he looks better at lighter weights.
Johnny Jackson has probably the thickest side chest pose in competition today. Traps, chest, arms just thick as hell.
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Arnold in 1980
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Arnold in 1980
Best physique ever. Never surpassed.
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Reread what I said.
i look like a realistic variation of ronnie coleman 1999 then ::)
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At one Mr. O press conference a few years ago one guy did have a go at him. Branch kept saying 'Maybe you're not winning cause there's something wrong with your body' and he basically replied how can you win with torn muscles and there's nothing wrong with the body it's you winning looking like shit. This was after he beat Wolf in some bullshit again.
That was Ben Pakulski who said something to Branch. Minus the gut, and lack back detail, Ben has a great physique.
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An Nguyen and Jojo Nitiforo looked better than Branch as well. Nguyen had a impressive back double biceps, Faoud (sp) was more tighter in the hams and glutes than Branch. Jojo has an excellent structure---like Flex or Brian Buchanan, he looks better at lighter weights.
Johnny Jackson has probably the thickest side chest pose in competition today. Traps, chest, arms just thick as hell.
I agree,actually,most looked better than Branch.
WTF were the judges thinking?
Also,Cisternino or whatever the fuck his name is.
Both he and Branch have connections to a certain person who I shall not name.
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Arnold in 1980
Greek god status compared to todays bloated slobs!
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I agree,actually,most looked better than Branch.
WTF were the judges thinking?
Also,Cisternino or whatever the fuck his name is.
Both he and Branch have connections to a certain person who I shall not name.
Lee Thompson. The last big show winner was friends with him and he was head judge again. It's also a plus to be friendly with Weinberger who was likely on the panel.
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i look like a realistic variation of ronnie coleman 1999 then ::)
We've all been there. Dreams are what give us something to aspire to. ;)
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Lee Thompson. The last big show winner was friends with him and he was head judge again. It's also a plus to be friendly with Weinberger who was likely on the panel.
One of the names mentioned is who I was alluding to. :D
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We've all been there. Dreams are what give us something to aspire to. ;)
just because you only amounted to shit doesnt make it apply to the rest of the world
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just because you only amounted to shit doesnt make it apply to the rest of the world
You'll never amount to anything because you spend your time looking at other people and wishing you were them, or trying to convince them you're better. It's called having an inferiority complex. :-*
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You'll never amount to anything because you spend your time looking at other people and wishing you were them, or trying to convince them you're better. It's called having an inferiority complex. :-*
it's called idolatry you ignorant fool
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it's called idolatry you ignorant fool
lol, sure
problem is, no one idolizes you
you just idolize everyone else :P
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was that a Pro show or Amateur?.....
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torn quad. torn pec. torn lat. Palumboism. first place. ::)
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Branch = Garbage physique... Horrific...
better then your ever be ... :)
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Dude, there's guys on prohormones who are bigger than you. Don't take this the wrong way, but with your stack, a hebrew would be like 40lbs heavier. You're maxed out. Time to hang it up and shoot for something realistic before your liver crumbles like Styrofoam under a tire track.
The so-called prohormones are way stronger than testosterone. Many juicers don't consider using test as juicing... because it's not until you add orals, aka prohormones, or tren that you feel something. If halo only used test then he has excellent response.
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No, I don't. That's a dosage some guys do state level shows with here. Granted, dosages vary by person but here's an example of a guy who did nationals a few years ago after winning states and he was using 1200mg/week and 3 IUs of GH. I saw his gear as he was selling it at my gym and we've known each other years, no reason for him to BS about the amount.
Clearly blows "Leopold" out the water.
(http://tnation.t-nation.com/forum_images/auto/r/786x0/4/7//47094_ORIG-DSCN1614.jpg)
(http://tnation.t-nation.com/forum_images/c/b/cb685_ORIG-ad313_ORIG_article_006.jpg)
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_34PE0ZEgM80/TEz7hFDiagI/AAAAAAAATe0/jhjiMz-XpH8/s1600/alexandre+raymond+bodybuilder.jpg)
Only test my ass :D
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_34PE0ZEgM80/TEz7jfWMejI/AAAAAAAATfE/JbczJtgwx8U/s1600/alexandre+raymond+bodybuilder+(2).jpg)
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Only test my ass :D
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I don't give a shit what the general public thinks. Who cares what they like? It's just unfortunate for the guys in it, the bodybuilders, if judging is political.
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Only test my ass :D
You jelly.
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The so-called prohormones are way stronger than testosterone. Many juicers don't consider using test as juicing... because it's not until you add orals, aka prohormones, or tren that you feel something. If halo only used test then he has excellent response.
I took 1-AD once. It didn't do much for me compared to a cycle of just winstrol. They're sold over the counter here and are mostly bunk.
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Why would Branch even compete in this show? Does he need to requalify for the Olympia?
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The so-called prohormones are way stronger than testosterone. Many juicers don't consider using test as juicing... because it's not until you add orals, aka prohormones, or tren that you feel something. If halo only used test then he has excellent response.
I've used test only and my response is pretty much a men's physique 200 @ 6'2 very lean prob at 6-7% eating whatever , naturally I'm just a lean guy, not much muscle mass
300 mg a wk that's it
I would think anyone can just respond well to test a lone, average genetics, train hard and consistent , have a fair diet and u can build a impressive physique
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I've used test only and my response is pretty much a men's physique 200 @ 6'2 very lean prob at 6-7% eating whatever , naturally I'm just a lean guy, not much muscle mass
300 mg a wk that's it
I would think anyone can just respond well to test a lone, average genetics, train hard and consistent , have a fair diet and u can build a impressive physique
There's always going to be at least one guy who thinks you're on a Markus Ruhl-style stack if you look good in a shirt. Envy is the essence of bodybuilding. ;)
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There's always going to be at least one guy who thinks you're on a Markus Ruhl-style stack if you look good in a shirt. Envy is the essence of bodybuilding. ;)
True!
I've been training now since I was 16 , close to 30 yrs old
Ectomorph body, small joints, pretty good structure and shape given my height but lack size. I know I'll never win a bbing show but I think I look decent everyday look, beach body
Unless u are competing there's really no need to go crazy compounds and dosages in my opinion
Like I said u can build a very impressive physique with just a few stacks of different steroids or in my case just test alone.
I think people are just lazy and think taking a ton will yield more. Forgetting the consistency of training and eating just enough ( I say enough cause my metabolism is crazy so I can eat here or there)
Keep in mind I'm talking beach body, lean quality physique
Bbing of course u would need a whole pharmacy :D
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True!
I've been training now since I was 16 , close to 30 yrs old
Ectomorph body, small joints, pretty good structure and shape given my height but lack size. I know I'll never win a bbing show but I think I look decent everyday look, beach body
Unless u are competing there's really no need to go crazy compounds and dosages in my opinion
Like I said u can build a very impressive physique with just a few stacks of different steroids or in my case just test alone.
I think people are just lazy and think taking a ton will yield more. Forgetting the consistency of training and eating just enough ( I say enough cause my metabolism is crazy so I can eat here or there)
Keep in mind I'm talking beach body, lean quality physique
Bbing of course u would need a whole pharmacy :D
In all fairness, GH does make a noticeable difference. Put a guy just on test and he'll grow, have more vascularity, more density, strength, sex drive, the whole bit. But the growth hormones help you lean out, make your muscle look harder, and they do contribute to tissue growth and faster recovery as well. To the point where unless you're trying to go Pro, you don't need to a large stack of orals or injectibles. Just one or two with the GH will make you an entirely new person.
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In all fairness, GH does make a noticeable difference. Put a guy just on test and he'll grow, have more vascularity, more density, strength, sex drive, the whole bit. But the growth hormones help you lean out, make your muscle look harder, and they do contribute to tissue growth and faster recovery as well. To the point where unless you're trying to go Pro, you don't need to a large stack of orals or injectibles. Just one or two with the GH will make you an entirely new person.
GH = can carb of peace and still look good.
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In all fairness, GH does make a noticeable difference. Put a guy just on test and he'll grow, have more vascularity, more density, strength, sex drive, the whole bit. But the growth hormones help you lean out, make your muscle look harder, and they do contribute to tissue growth and faster recovery as well. To the point where unless you're trying to go Pro, you don't need to a large stack of orals or injectibles. Just one or two with the GH will make you an entirely new person.
Yes I was just about to put that :D
When I said a few stacks its usually test and GH at 5iu a day
U are correct , I think galienko didn't like the look GH gave him, but when I added that up with the test I think that's the sweet spot. No diet , and eat anything u want and still 8%, with a little less food maybe 2-3 meals max and around 6-7 with low calories of course
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Very good example would be no ones physique , he's like 230+ and looks very good
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Yes I was just about to put that :D
When I said a few stacks its usually test and GH at 5iu a day
U are correct , I think galienko didn't like the look GH gave him, but when I added that up with the test I think that's the sweet spot. No diet , and eat anything u want and still 8%, with a little less food maybe 2-3 meals max and around 6-7 with low calories of course
So imagine how insane you look if you diet strict and lift correctly and frequently on them. Insane results.
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I've used test only and my response is pretty much a men's physique 200 @ 6'2 very lean prob at 6-7% eating whatever , naturally I'm just a lean guy, not much muscle mass
300 mg a wk that's it
I would think anyone can just respond well to test a lone, average genetics, train hard and consistent , have a fair diet and u can build a impressive physique
I didn't say test only doesn't work. I said the so-called prohormones like Superdrol and the other 17-aa steroids are strong fucking drugs. Once you've done things like orals and tren, test only doesn't even seem like cycling. It's just a base for the real cycle compounds.
This is why I say halos results are very good for test only, if true. I'd like to know what they would consider good results from test? ::) Most of those critiquing him never even did steroids or only experimented with very little.
As far as someone competing on test as the only steroid. Doesn't make sense. Why would they? Due to cost? Health considerations? Availability? Nah.
Very good example would be no ones physique , he's like 230+ and looks very good
Don't forget he's done heavy stacks for many years. Only recently did he go low dose. And his summer stack now is a combo of test, tren and mast, I think he said.
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As far as someone competing on test as the only steroid. Doesn't make sense. Why would they? Due to cost? Health considerations? Availability? Nah.
Not everyone uses the same stack year-round. Most of the guys I know who do nationals downsize their protocol after a show and cruise on lower doses until a show comes up. In those photos I posted, only one was contest. The others weren't by a long shot. In those, he was only using two substances. If the GH wasn't part of it, then you'd be right.
Don't forget he's done heavy stacks for many years. Only recently did he go low dose. And his summer stack now is a combo of test, tren and mast, I think he said.
That doesn't really have any relevance. Whatever gains he made from those cycles are long behind him. What he has now is only what he can keep with what he's currently running.
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Not everyone uses the same stack year-round. Most of the guys I know who do nationals downsize their protocol after a show and cruise on lower doses until a show comes up. In those photos I posted, only one was contest. The others weren't by a long shot. In those, he was only using two substances. If the GH wasn't part of it, then you'd be right.
That doesn't really have any relevance. Whatever gains he made from those cycles are long behind him. What he has now is only what he can keep with what he's currently running.
Ah, I thought you meant he said he competed on test only. Looking good for several months on high test only, sure why not.
It does have some relevance. I'm pretty sure even no one has said you can maintain on a lot less than you needed to build it in the first place. Plus he must see some deterioration of his physique in certain aspects, the look, otherwise he wouldn't need to do "tren and mast for summer".
You can maintain for fairly long stretches with little, but need a little boost here and there to keep your look.
A competitor might maintain lots completely clean for 5-6 weeks... maintain for several months on low dose test.. but you lose more and more as time goes by and eventually need a little boost to bring it back again.
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No, I don't. That's a dosage some guys do state level shows with here. Granted, dosages vary by person but here's an example of a guy who did nationals a few years ago after winning states and he was using 1200mg/week and 3 IUs of GH. I saw his gear as he was selling it at my gym and we've known each other years, no reason for him to BS about the amount.
Clearly blows "Leopold" out the water.
(http://tnation.t-nation.com/forum_images/auto/r/786x0/4/7//47094_ORIG-DSCN1614.jpg)
(http://tnation.t-nation.com/forum_images/c/b/cb685_ORIG-ad313_ORIG_article_006.jpg)
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_34PE0ZEgM80/TEz7hFDiagI/AAAAAAAATe0/jhjiMz-XpH8/s1600/alexandre+raymond+bodybuilder.jpg)
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what a friend you are that out him likw that
This story is bullshit icelord makes this up to get a point proven
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Of course someone can maintain a lot more size on only say 800 mgs a week once they have built a huge physique on much more.
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It's unfortunate Phil heath already has the nickname the gift. Branch seems to get so many gifts these days and the nickname would definitely be an appropriate one.
Branch is a winner. jay got gifts too.
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what a friend you are that out him likw that
This story is bullshit icelord makes this up to get a point proven
What the fuck are you talking about? This guy did nationals, he's well known in Canada. Has an entire thread on t-nation about his career. Learn to google, cumbreath.
http://tnation.t-nation.com/free_online_forum/sports_body_training_performance_bodybuilding/my_new_life_in_colorado (http://tnation.t-nation.com/free_online_forum/sports_body_training_performance_bodybuilding/my_new_life_in_colorado)
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A competitor might maintain lots completely clean for 5-6 weeks... maintain for several months on low dose test.. but you lose more and more as time goes by and eventually need a little boost to bring it back again.
Makes you wonder why the top pros would shrink so quickly despite being TRT then.
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I didn't say test only doesn't work. I said the so-called prohormones like Superdrol and the other 17-aa steroids are strong fucking drugs. Once you've done things like orals and tren, test only doesn't even seem like cycling. It's just a base for the real cycle compounds.
This is why I say halos results are very good for test only, if true. I'd like to know what they would consider good results from test? ::) Most of those critiquing him never even did steroids or only experimented with very little.
As far as someone competing on test as the only steroid. Doesn't make sense. Why would they? Due to cost? Health considerations? Availability? Nah.
Don't forget he's done heavy stacks for many years. Only recently did he go low dose. And his summer stack now is a combo of test, tren and mast, I think he said.
Bro all i said was test alone does build impressive physiques , people overdo a lot of things. No where did I say test alone u can step on stage. No no Im fully aware of u need other compounds
I was just responding to your good genetics if u are responding well to test
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So imagine how insane you look if you diet strict and lift correctly and frequently on them. Insane results.
I'll probably never know :D not willing to run anything higher tbh
Priorities have changed a lot, remember when I was younger I wanted to look like Arnold or a flex wheeler
Plus I don't know if my body could withstand high dosages with minimum sides
I'm happy with my twink swimmers physique ;D
Gotta thank both my German parents for that
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I'll probably never know :D not willing to run anything higher tbh
Priorities have changed a lot, remember when I was younger I wanted to look like Arnold or a flex wheeler
Plus I don't know if my body could withstand high dosages with minimum sides
I'm happy with my twink swimmers physique ;D
Gotta thank both my German parents for that
This is a good everyday swimmer's physique.
(http://i.imgur.com/8qJ5xAp.jpg)
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No where did I say test alone u can step on stage. No no Im fully aware of u need other compounds
Actually I think one could compete on test only and look great, it's just unlikely someone wouldn't utilize other steroids too. But I misunderstood Icelord apparently, he just meant the guy looked jacked at some point with only test and gh in his system.
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Actually I think one could compete on test only and look great, it's just unlikely someone wouldn't utilize other steroids too. But I misunderstood Icelord apparently, he just meant the guy looked jacked at some point with only test and gh in his system.
Yup.
Just not stage-ready. At least not a national stage. Maybe a local show you could get away with only testosterone. The reason being that while it does have all those benefits we associate with it, there's other compounds that help with hardness and detail.
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Actually I think one could compete on test only and look great, it's just unlikely someone wouldn't utilize other steroids too. But I misunderstood Icelord apparently, he just meant the guy looked jacked at some point with only test and gh in his system.
Gotcha yeah I was telling icelord that I was running test only and in the past I have done GH as well with it. That's all and said u can build a pretty good physique with it
Competing u are right u can step on stage with just test but if its nationals you'll be laughed off the stage :D
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Gotcha yeah I was telling icelord that I was running test only and in the past I have done GH as well with it. That's all and said u can build a pretty good physique with it
Competing u are right u can step on stage with just test but if its nationals you'll be laughed off the stage :D
I love that combination. I'd say given financial realities and availability issues, the ratio was 75:25 Test GH. So much better than just running one or the other.
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Shawn Ray & David Baye Wrap-up
Guy Cisternino Interview
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Branch embodies EVERYTHING that is wrong with bodybuilding today. Looks like a bag of grainy smashed assholes. Unbelievable. He looked better 15 years ago. Fouad looks slightly less shitty.
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What the fuck are you talking about? This guy did nationals, he's well known in Canada. Has an entire thread on t-nation about his career. Learn to google, cumbreath.
http://tnation.t-nation.com/free_online_forum/sports_body_training_performance_bodybuilding/my_new_life_in_colorado (http://tnation.t-nation.com/free_online_forum/sports_body_training_performance_bodybuilding/my_new_life_in_colorado)
dont have the time to read the thread but if he talks about his own usage openly i appologise
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Branch giving the judges a tapioca chinstrap the night before the show
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Ha, more like picasso if he'd taken up sculpting.
Looks like something Michelangelo carved