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Does anyone else have this fear? The responsibility, the financial cost, the loss of freedom to do whatever the fuck you please? Less time to focus on your goals?
I'm a much happier and productive person being single and I don't want that to change. The only bitch is the pressure from my family to "settle down" and give them grand kids
I'd prefer being 45, ripped, driving a sports car, owning a condo in the city, pounding new pussy, flourishing my business over being the boring "family man"
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your priorities over life change.
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your priorities over life change.
Did something change yours?
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Did something change yours?
The Psychology of your future self (6:49 video)
http://www.ted.com/talks/dan_gilbert_you_are_always_changing (http://www.ted.com/talks/dan_gilbert_you_are_always_changing)
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humans are horribly bad at predicting what they will be like a decade from now, because we view things from a present-centered mindset. Just think of how different your priorities / preferences / habits were 10 years ago.
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That's the truth...from 25 - 35 I changed and from 35 - 45 my priorities have pretty much flipped.
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The Psychology of your future self (6:49 video)
http://www.ted.com/talks/dan_gilbert_you_are_always_changing (http://www.ted.com/talks/dan_gilbert_you_are_always_changing)
cliffs:
humans are horribly bad at predicting what they will be like a decade from now, because we view things from a present-centered mindset. Just think of how different your priorities / preferences / habits were 10 years ago.
Good point..time will tell. It's just I know so many guys who are so much happier post divorce and a lot of guys trapped horrible marriages who constantly sneak around
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Does anyone else have this fear? The responsibility, the financial cost, the loss of freedom to do whatever the fuck you please? Less time to focus on your goals?
I'm a much happier and productive person being single and I don't want that to change. The only bitch is the pressure from my family to "settle down" and give them grand kids
I'd prefer being 45, ripped, driving a sports car, owning a condo in the city, pounding new pussy, flourishing my business over being the boring "family man"
No Halo?
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No Halo?
He's a prime example
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Does anyone else have this fear? The responsibility, the financial cost, the loss of freedom to do whatever the fuck you please? Less time to focus on your goals?
I'm a much happier and productive person being single and I don't want that to change. The only bitch is the pressure from my family to "settle down" and give them grand kids
I'd prefer being 45, ripped, driving a sports car, owning a condo in the city, pounding new pussy, flourishing my business over being the boring "family man"
;D You have it all figured out . You self absorbed prick ! PS I live exactly the same way ;)
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Does anyone else have this fear? The responsibility, the financial cost, the loss of freedom to do whatever the fuck you please? Less time to focus on your goals?
I'm a much happier and productive person being single and I don't want that to change. The only bitch is the pressure from my family to "settle down" and give them grand kids
I'd prefer being 45, ripped, driving a sports car, owning a condo in the city, pounding new pussy, flourishing my business over being the boring "family man"
None of this. I'd welcome family responsibility, and a good wife wouldn't give me grief if I was pottering around in the workshop, lifting in threadbare underwear, watching movies, and playing with the dog. If a woman were to have a gripe it'd probably be that I'm too damn boring and she'd wish I'd do something she could object to once in awhile. God damn, I'm a boring son of a bitch. I don't fear financial strife since I wouldn't last 2 seconds with a gold digging spendthrift. Jokes on her. I don't have any money.
More fear of the misery of a shit relationship. I had one of those and lemme tell ya it's a justified fear, but I escaped without any anchor babies. I'm absolutely terrified of having a child with someone who turns out to be a dire cunt, and now you're stuck with this person pecking away at you forever, nevermind the poor kid. Unfortunately, this means I'm so easily put off that I regard the slightest shadow of an indication that a woman is going to be a PITA as grounds to drop the whole thing. There's probably nothing wrong with any of them.
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People who don't like the family life want stay in it. Some are surprised how fulfilling it can be. Never know until you try. If you find the right one then its the best thing that can happen. If its not a 100% it will be hell.
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I used to dedicate everything to being a bodybuilder.
Then I turned 30, and realized there were much more important things in life.
Like powerlifting.
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I used to dedicate everything to being a bodybuilder.
Then I turned 30, and realized there were much more important things in life.
Like powerlifting.
Hahahahahaha!
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I used to think so. But then I think of Ronnie and know that there is always someone doing far worse than me.
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Your life is over when you have kids, more and more people with kids are admitting that.
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Does anyone else have this fear? The responsibility, the financial cost, the loss of freedom to do whatever the fuck you please? Less time to focus on your goals?
I'm a much happier and productive person being single and I don't want that to change. The only bitch is the pressure from my family to "settle down" and give them grand kids
I'd prefer being 45, ripped, driving a sports car, owning a condo in the city, pounding new pussy, flourishing my business over being the boring "family man"
This has been my life for the past 7 years or so, freedom at a prime age is different from freedom you experience you were 20 yrs old still studying or just starting your ways in life. I always said a man has to experience freedom with full maturity, providing your doing good for yourself.
But having said that I don't see myself being single all my life, and this is changing as we speak, you get tired of empty relationships, I personally have for a few years now, the excitement of having a new girl every time wears off, unless you have a sexual addiction...as a matter of fact, the best sex I ever had has always been in long term relationships...it takes a while to find the right girl compatible sexually for you and train her to your quirks i.e. whether you like your salad tossed via tongue feathering or do you want her to stick in literally....etc (the latter is just one example)
I sometimes miss having a meaningful relationship, those plastic boobed girls you nailed from last weeks club are poor companions....at least this is the case for me in London, lots of fake people and empty souls here hiding behind Louboutins and collagen lips.
The ride has been enjoyable but it's time for me to chuck the towel and let new up coming youngster to have their go.
However I am only willing to do so for the right person.
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However I am only willing to do so for the right person.
This is the truth.
Too many people throw around baseless generalizations (see DPs kids post), but it all really boils down to having the right person for you being the one you're lucky enough to start a family with. I can easily see how the wrong one can be disastrous, especially if this realization is made AFTER children enter the picture.
But the flipside of it is great if you get it right. ENZO's post is kind of silly - if you enjoy the things he posted, don't settle down. There's no right answer - it's all subjective.
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Your life is over when you have kids, more and more people with kids are admitting that.
Yes, have kids once you lived your life and feel a natural need to care and give lots of love and be able to.
If you don't get that, don't have any...many people get a little old and automatically have kids when they don't really have it in them....big mistake. Some people are family and children orientated and feel happiest once they've had a kid and more and some people aren't but society follows an automatic pattern.
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I used to dedicate everything to being a bodybuilder.
Then I turned 30, and realized there were much more important things in life.
Like powerlifting.
hahahaha
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Parents are prisoners of their kids, whether they like to admit it or not. It's never the same after that, but once a person puts so much effort, money, time, health, nerves, etc... into something, no surprise that "something" becomes a very valuable thing in life, if it wouldn't be so - most would go insane.
The thing is - none of that matters (in essence). A bunch of ants blindly reproducing and thinking it's of a high importance. Oh geez...
Family. It may be good, it may be bad, depends on a lot of variables. For some it's best to have family, for some - to stay alone, no universal recipe. I've seen plenty of failed marriages/families and it's a very very sad thing, but I've seen very happy families (number of these is much lower, but still) and it's a very nice thing in that case.
Best is to have as much money as possible, then, even if you'll create a family and go through a divorce - much of stuff will still be easier if you're rich. If you're rich - being "alone" will be a choice, but not an inevitability (and the fear of it is overvalued anyway. I have friends who are like 15years older than me and are "alone" for one or another reason and it won't change any time soon, but they are very nice/intelligent people that I love spending time with and I know for sure that I WILL be there for them any time. I invite them to all of the gatherings with my other friends, trips, etc.. They can have my company if they like, it's a pleasure. So.."alone" is relative).
World is changing, and it will change even more, family wise too, it's just that "older" people can't imagine the magnitude of these changes anymore so they stick to the old values. But it's an everchanging life, traditions, cultures.. Life is good, and as long as you don't indulge in narcotics, alcohol, other destructive activities that would suck the "person"out of you - enjoy it, family or no family, you can find plenty of people from different ways of life and share this precious time with them, if you want..
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Not afraid.
Just currently not interested.
I wouldnt be a good father.
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Not afraid.
Just currently not interested.
I wouldnt be a good father.
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Yes, have kids once you lived your life and feel a natural need to care and give lots of love and be able to.
If you don't get that, don't have any...many people get a little old and automatically have kids when they don't really have it in them....big mistake. Some people are family and children orientated and feel happiest once they've had a kid and more and some people aren't but society follows an automatic pattern.
Well said.
To find out if 'you' have right mindset to become a good parent, we need to investigate which qualities a good parent should possess and imagine how our life would look like. Do 'you' have what it takes?
My honest answer is "no, I can't and I won't".
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I wouldnt be able to tie myself down to one woman and form a family unit. I feel a strong family unit is very important to properly raise an upstanding child.
I cant see myself being domesticated. I get fidgety at family gatherings, I see most married people neck a bottle of wine to be able to stand being next to their fat wifes/husbands while secretly checking their ashley madison app on their iphone 4s with scratches and kid puke all over it.
When I find a woman that I can fall asleep next to while any part of them is touching me, then ill consider having a family.
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Well said.
To find out if 'you' have right mindset to become a good parent, we need to investigate which qualities a good parent should possess and imagine how our life would look like. Do 'you' have what it takes?
My honest answer is "no, I can't and I won't".
Pretty simple I guess.. you have to be a little bit on a "simple" side (like most) and genuinely believe it's a very important "mission". OR - you have to be very intelligent and consciously decide that for you it will be a very important mission you want to accomplish (as maybe you just don't think of anything else to do/have done it all/want that experience, etc..).
Most suceesfull marriages (from instinct) are of mediocre people, not very beautiful, not very intelligent, nor very rich.. They doesn't have much options in this life so they better find someone "to stick with". The more "power" you have, the less you care about anything, it becomes about having fun for as much as possible. And if by any chance you get bored of "fun", well then it may be feasible to have a good family.
And once again - it's very relative. Plenty of unhappy family people, plenty of happy rich "fallen" hedonists, and vice versa. It depends... If you have good genes and lots of money - chances are it won't matter much of whatever path you'll choose, you'll still be happier than most.
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your priorities over life change.
Pretty much. How you think in your twenties is not necessarily going to remain the same when you’re in your forties.
My brother in law told me that when he was my age (25), he never planned to get married/kids etc and just wanted to remain a womanizing bachelor.
He's now around 40, married and committed to my sister and has three kids with her. His life is a lot busier but he's happier now than ever before.
I doubt that this kind of situation is unique either.
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Pretty much. How you think in your twenties is not necessarily going to remain the same when you’re in your forties.
My brother in law told me that when he was my age (25), he never planned to get married/kids etc and just wanted to remain a womanizing bachelor.
He's now around 40, married and committed to my sister and has three kids with her. His life is a lot busier but he's happier now than ever before.
I doubt that this kind of situation is unique either.
would you be pissed if he fucked around on her?
or could you remove yourself from being your sisters brother and understand why he might need to?
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would you be pissed if he fucked around on her?
or could you remove yourself from being your sisters brother and understand why he might need to?
It's my sister so yeah, I'd be pissed. :D
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It's my sister so yeah, I'd be pissed. :D
I have had friends that go out looking for pussy with their brother in laws. oh brother. talk about degenerates.
Thank god I dont have a sister.
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would you be pissed if he fucked around on her?
or could you remove yourself from being your sisters brother and understand why he might need to?
He already fucked his sister in many unimaginable ways.................... ........................ .......... :D
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I have had friends that go out looking for pussy with their brother in laws. oh brother. talk about degenerates.
Thank god I dont have a sister.
Wow! That's pretty disgraceful. I'm morally opposed to people cheating on their partners. The way I see it, is you should end a serious relationship if you are unable to commit to it. Likewise, don't start a serious relationship if you know you're not capable of committing to it.
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Wow! That's pretty disgraceful. I'm morally opposed to people cheating on their partners. The way I see it, is you should end a serious relationship if you are unable to commit to it. Likewise, don't start a serious relationship if you know you're not capable of committing to it.
I agree.
If someone feels they have to cheat then they're already unhappy and should not be in that relationship and should end it before they do anything.
And if they already have kids, then they have a duty to their children which should take precedent over everything in their life.
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I have been in long-term relationships and, now being "single" for several years, don't think I particularly desire to ever be again. I mean, I do enjoy the notion of romance and having a loving, steady companion, but realistically, can't see this as being feasible.
I treasure my freedom and no-drama lifestyle too much. I come home, jam music, go to the gym and eat what and whenever I want to. I spend my money only on stuff that I want to spend money on.
I don't have to endure crappy vacations to Mexico and in-law get-togethers that are everything but a pleasure.
As well, I believe romance and desire is slowly killed when two people live together. That illusion so important to carnal attraction is eroded.
And as far as kids, well, I have never been a big fan of this world we (humans) have built, so why produce another whom I love only to have to exist within it? I have no belief in an afterlife, so where's the payoff? You struggle, suffer and then become old and ill and feel and look like shit.
And then you die.
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we are animals who are programmed to reproduce.. it's not normal, it's "immature" to want to live like a teenage boy for your whole life. Even if your father who regretted everything in his life giving birth to your sorry self included told you to have as much fun as possible instead of marrying/having a family.
Society conditions us to give our best in our 20s/30s to find the best partner with the best genes so we can produce the offspring with the highest odds of survival in the environment we re living in. Good looking, good earning job, power, respect, money, best suburbs.... In our youth we have the maximum testosterone production, we defy, fight, other males for the best females, then in our 30s as natural test production decreases we re genetically engeenered to calm down and focus on transmiting the strategies of survival we inherited/acquired to our offspring.
We are all prisoners of this little game the minute we re spawned into this world. Old people know we re just animals, they have had the time to think about the whole picture and always come to the same conclusion; life is unfair, crual and absurd intrinsically, it's all about your genetics and upbringing 50/50, and before being religious, philosophers, thinkers , believers, we are... animals. It's our animal brain which generates all of these bullshit meanings we give to life, our existences. In the end it's always about killing or getting killed. Some are better trained, conditionned, engeenered bytheir caregivers to dominate the competition, others solely exist to feed the strongest. Just like in any animal or vegetal species.
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Your life is over when you have kids, more and more people with kids are admitting that.
but....isnt "life" precisely about.... having kids? ???
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we are animals who are programmed to reproduce.. it's not normal "immature" to want to live like a teenage boy for your whole life. Society conditions us to give our best in our 20s/30s to find the best partner with the best genes so we can produce the offspring with the highest odds of survival in the environment we re living in.
Each of these words cause me to shudder.
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This has been my life for the past 7 years or so, freedom at a prime age is different from freedom you experience you were 20 yrs old still studying or just starting your ways in life. I always said a man has to experience freedom with full maturity, providing your doing good for yourself.
But having said that I don't see myself being single all my life, and this is changing as we speak, you get tired of empty relationships, I personally have for a few years now, the excitement of having a new girl every time wears off, unless you have a sexual addiction...as a matter of fact, the best sex I ever had has always been in long term relationships...it takes a while to find the right girl compatible sexually for you and train her to your quirks i.e. whether you like your salad tossed via tongue feathering or do you want her to stick in literally....etc (the latter is just one example)
I sometimes miss having a meaningful relationship, those plastic boobed girls you nailed from last weeks club are poor companions....at least this is the case for me in London, lots of fake people and empty souls here hiding behind Louboutins and collagen lips.
The ride has been enjoyable but it's time for me to chuck the towel and let new up coming youngster to have their go.
However I am only willing to do so for the right person.
I agree that a man should experience life at the top of his game single. I think that's when I'll feel liked I've truly lived and got everything out of my system.
Right now I like the vapid club chicks, because they don't expect much from me and I don't expect shit from them outside a good fuck
Soon as they start doing things like showing me their baby pictures or texting me all day, I get uncomfortable and dead it.
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I was scared of both a wife, and kids.
But, when I looked at it objectively, there's very little chance that I'd meet another woman who'd put up with my shit without grumbling too much, and be as loyal to me as my wife has been. So, it made sense to lock her up. If I were strong enough and motivated enough to go through this world alone, I would have. But I'm one of those guys who knows a supportive partner makes him better, and that on his own, he won't be as successful, rich or driven. So she makes me better, and I've always known that. But then lots of women could have done that for me. But how many of those women would do it day in and day out? Not very many. And how many wouldn't cheat on me while they did it? Even fewer? And how many of them would be free of disease, healthy, in good shape, and with a great personality? Even fewer still.
So, I kind of struck it lucky early on. I'm happy for myself for that. So when I looked at it objectively, it really made sense to marry her. I just had to shelve my feelings that I'd be tying myself down. Realistically, we lived together for 6 years before we got married, so I'd tied myself down without ever really doing it in the eyes of a church. So we just went thru with the formality of it. I pretty much married her, emotionally, years before.
Now, on to kids.
I was deathly afraid of kids. I really didn't want them. For all the reasons all of you guys have pointed out before.
Then, in one of my truly snx moments, I just threw caution to the wind, threw the wife down, did it BMC style, and sure enough, she was pregnant inside of two weeks. I don't know what came over me to make me do that. I knew what I was doing, and this part of my brain just said "hey, if you have a kid, big deal. Lots of people do it. You're not the first. People have kids all the time...people a lot stupider and less put together than you. If they can do it and not make their kids want to kill themselves, then you have a pretty good shot at this dad thing". And that was it.
I loved my life before kids. I love my life with kids now. I will say, for the record, I did NOT like the first 6 months after my first was born. With cholic, post partum depression, and a 70 hour a week job, it was a living hell. I don't care to ever repeat that part of my life. I don't think it made me better or made me stronger...it just aged me like crazy and turned me into an old man overnight.
But big deal. So I have more gray and crows feet. It's not like I'm at Ibiza with Skorp and Gal and BigMC impressing hot young ladies. I have no such delusions. From the neck down, I hold my own. From the neck up, I look like Gordon Ramsay if he went a week without sleep. I'm lucky to have what I have, am happy with it, and generally don't desire more than I have. I refuse to pine for the past...I had my time. And there's no point dreaming about tomorrow...for all I know some drunk on the road will sideswipe me and put me into the dirt.
I'll take what I have, hold onto it with both hands as tight as possible, and do whatever I can to keep the wolf away from the door.
a very long speech which could be summed the following way; i was entirely programmed by my surroundings to live the life i lived and i have no clue why but hey, that's just how it went.
If you knew the number of elderly who realized life is pointless intrinsically but lie to their families, offsprings, dont tell them the truth cause they dont want to sound cynical / boring. In fact they just give some advises here and there hoping to be treated well in return as they re getting weaker and weaker.
We are animals who constantly pretend they arent animals but in the end, we all face the truth. Life is about killing instead of being killed as long as you can, until you cant anymore.
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Never wanted family/kids at all till it happened (unplanned).
Now i wouldnt have it any other way i love my kids and they have made my life so much better, but at the time it was the last thing i wanted.
Times change anyway and drinking with your mates and chasing whores becomes old as mates move on and have wifes/ familys, old haunts close, society changes.
Nothing stays the same forever and sometimes you have to move on.
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BTW "enzo", you re not fooling anyone, this thread is just another attention whoring attempt on your part which could be summed this way; look at me I have a better life than you all suckers who settled.
Well, good for you, but you re an animal just like the rest of us and you ll die just like the rest of us after a delusional existence.
Growing up is understanding you re an animal and unlearning all the bullshit stories you ve been spoonfed with by your caregivers who couldnt explain to you why they even gave birth to you so they invented or repeated like parrots completely retarded tales hiding the truth; we re animals reproducing blindly and automatically stuff 24/7 365 days a year all life long.
It is about time this farce known as mankind ends.
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BTW "enzo", you re not fooling anyone, this thread is just another attention whoring attempt on your part which could be summed this way; look at me I have a better life than you all suckers who settled.
Well, good for you, but you re an animal just like the rest of us and you ll die just like the rest of us after a delusional existence.
It was more like an epiphany I had and felt like expressing. Take it how you want :)
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It was more like an epiphany I had and felt like expressing. Take it how you want :)
Sure.
::)
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Yeah, most people do a great amount of bitching and complaining about life, all the time ... and then have kids. ???
Sometimes I think it's that folks want to somehow "convince" themselves that life is some beautiful thing, as is always stated to us from all points of the media/corporate/church compass.
I do believe this planet is a beatiful thing, and I also do believe that humans are capable of being beautiful and producing beautiful things. But I also know that humans have seriously fucked shit up here on earth and essentially created a living hell.
And as far as the whole pass-on-my-family-name horsheshit, NO ONE gives two shits about your dumb family name. Mine included. Your bloodline is about as important as a fart in the wind.
Get over yourself.
I believe most have children for selfish reasons. To create an illusion that their life is vitally important and provide a measure of comfort that they're not alone in this world and they won't drop dead in some ratty apartment as an old fuck without anyone knowing for several weeks.
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I have been in long-term relationships and, now being "single" for several years, don't think I particularly desire to ever be again. I mean, I do enjoy the notion of romance and having a loving, steady companion, but realistically, can't see this as being feasible.
I treasure my freedom and no-drama lifestyle too much. I come home, jam music, go to the gym and eat what and whenever I want to. I spend my money only on stuff that I want to spend money on.
I don't have to endure crappy vacations to Mexico and in-law get-togethers that are everything but a pleasure.
As well, I believe romance and desire is slowly killed when two people live together. That illusion so important to carnal attraction is eroded.
And as far as kids, well, I have never been a big fan of this world we (humans) have built, so why produce another whom I love only to have to exist within it? I have no belief in an afterlife, so where's the payoff? You struggle, suffer and then become old and ill and feel and look like shit.
And then you die.
Wow! this is like hearing my thoughts coming from someone elses mouth :o
I feel the exact same way.. needless to say, I'm a hit at dinner parties ;D
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The reasons why males impregnate females are numerous. I know two very very ugly and poor people who decided to give birth not to one, not to two, but to FOUR kids hoping to get gov money, to buy a house, when only dude has a shitty 10 bucks an hour job. My opinion on these people is that sometimes people who got fucked up by life decide to fuck up life in return and to breed as much as they can to cope with reality. Life is shit? let's make it("CONTRIBUTE!) an even bigger pile of shit. Kids become their number one anti depressant. I know a jacked facially good looking dude/coworker on roids but uneducated friend who got a fat whale pregnant and who told me he didnt want to work and he knew she 'd never leave him so he ll get her to work while he ll spend the rest of his life doing what he likes with her money, cheating on her included. And no he isnt black. Some people dont care what they have to do adapt and survive, they just do it as long as it works.
Again, the real motives behind people acts are often way more fucked up than you d thought initially. You also have women and men who come from religious families and dont even ask themselves or each others why they breed kids, there are people who have strictly no clue about why they do what they do, they just do it cause well, it's "normal" to them. The real thing you can be sure of tho is that all these suckers being spawned will have to fight each others all life long for rarer and rarer jobs and ressources and will all think they re the ones who deserve it, perpetuating the crual butchery/comedy known as "life".
BTW if you want a good laugh, ask a woman to explain to you in details why she "wants" kids.
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Sure. Why the hell not? You're the same way too pal.
I'm not dissing you. I'm just pointing at the fact the real reason why we spawn kids is that it's simply an automated animal programmation in our genes first and foremost, then things like thoughs , feelings, emotions etc get attached to it, develop themselves like the branches of a tree. Also i believe "love" doesnt exist intrinsically, it's just a word and automated chemical reciepe produced in our brains, for people who arent conscious of the choices they made by selecting a mate instead of another. Most of the time, very basic interests to increase each others and offspring's odds of survival, as simple as that.
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Does anyone else have this fear? The responsibility, the financial cost, the loss of freedom to do whatever the fuck you please? Less time to focus on your goals?
I'm a much happier and productive person being single and I don't want that to change. The only bitch is the pressure from my family to "settle down" and give them grand kids
I'd prefer being 45, ripped, driving a sports car, owning a condo in the city, pounding new pussy, flourishing my business over being the boring "family man"
Not a thing wrong with being a single man. Not everyone is meant for marriage and parenthood. It's not that you couldn't do it, but you're simply better suited for a life that doesn't involve that. Some people have very specfic, very personal, all consuming goals that wouldn't allow for a good marriage or family. If you recognize that before you leap into a marriage or parenthood you and a hypothetical spouse or kid are much better off.
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your priorities over life change.
This is very, very true though.
I've got friends that swore of marriage and kids 20 years ago and one of the most opposed was elated last week because his wife gave birth to their first kiddo.
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Not a thing wrong with being a single man. Not everyone is meant for marriage and parenthood. It's not that you couldn't do it, but you're simply better suited for a life that doesn't involve that. Some people have very specfic, very personal, all consuming goals that wouldn't allow for a good marriage or family. If you recognize that before you leap into a marriage or parenthood you and a hypothetical spouse or kid are much better off.
exactly, you will disapear without an offspring , probably ending billions of years of evolution of your bloodline, and not a single fuck will be given. Anyway for one person who doesnt reproduce, there are 10 000 who will until it gets completely unmanagable or we get wiped from the surface of the earth by some random cataclysmic event...
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exactly, you will disapear without an offspring , probably ending billions of years of evolution of your bloodline, and not a single fuck will be given. Anyway for one person who doesnt reproduce, there are 10 000 who will...
And I'm a man of faith so I'll add a bit of inspired theology from Paul the apostle LOL:
1 Corinthians 7:7-8
7 But I wish everyone were single, just as I am. Yet each person has a special gift from God, of one kind or another.
8 So I say to those who aren’t married and to widows—it’s better to stay unmarried, just as I am.
9 But if they can’t control themselves, they should go ahead and marry. It’s better to marry than to burn with lust.
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And I'm a man of faith so I'll add a bit of inspired theology from Paul the apostle LOL:
1 Corinthians 7:7-8
7 But I wish everyone were single, just as I am. Yet each person has a special gift from God, of one kind or another.
8 So I say to those who aren’t married and to widows—it’s better to stay unmarried, just as I am.
9 But if they can’t control themselves, they should go ahead and marry. It’s better to marry than to burn with lust.
And?
that's just one white man's opinion
J/k but i mean, yeah, this old dude said that and... who gives a fuck ?
Also "gifts from god" dont exist, but competences/strategies of survival learnt/taught by your caregivers do. Has nothing to do with "god". It's just stuff you have in your genes or that your parents, grandparents, developed in you hoping to help you find a place in society so you could have decent odds of survival in it, because "they love you" (want their genes to continue thru you).
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And?
that's just one white man's opinion
J/k but i mean, yeah, this old dude said that and... who gives a fuck ?
Also "gifts from god" dont exist, but competences/strategies of survival learnt/taught by your caregivers do. Has nothing to do with "god". It's just stuff you have in your genes or that your parents, grandparents, developed in you hoping to help you find a place in society so you could have decent odds of survival in it, because "they love you" (want their genes to continue thru you).
Like I said I'm a man of faith so I added a bit of theology.....take it or leave it.....wasn't meant for debate. Just a perspective.
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I have been in long-term relationships and, now being "single" for several years, don't think I particularly desire to ever be again. I mean, I do enjoy the notion of romance and having a loving, steady companion, but realistically, can't see this as being feasible.
I treasure my freedom and no-drama lifestyle too much. I come home, jam music, go to the gym and eat what and whenever I want to. I spend my money only on stuff that I want to spend money on.
I don't have to endure crappy vacations to Mexico and in-law get-togethers that are everything but a pleasure.
As well, I believe romance and desire is slowly killed when two people live together. That illusion so important to carnal attraction is eroded.
And as far as kids, well, I have never been a big fan of this world we (humans) have built, so why produce another whom I love only to have to exist within it? I have no belief in an afterlife, so where's the payoff? You struggle, suffer and then become old and ill and feel and look like shit.
And then you die.
Lol, fucking A. We're damaged goods, bro!
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I used to be afraid of having a gay son, now I don't think I'd mind too much, not anything bad like having a pyromaniac, serial killer or crossfitter.
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but....isnt "life" precisely about.... having kids? ???
"Life" is a subjective term in this sense. I see no point in losing control over mine, but we're all different in our wishes and priorities. I can only hope that people with a wish choose wisely, since this planet is already fucked/doomed.
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we are animals who are programmed to reproduce.. it's not normal, it's "immature" to want to live like a teenage boy for your whole life. Even if your father who regretted everything in his life giving birth to your sorry self included told you to have as much fun as possible instead of marrying/having a family.
Society conditions us to give our best in our 20s/30s to find the best partner with the best genes so we can produce the offspring with the highest odds of survival in the environment we re living in. Good looking, good earning job, power, respect, money, best suburbs.... In our youth we have the maximum testosterone production, we defy, fight, other males for the best females, then in our 30s as natural test production decreases we re genetically engeenered to calm down and focus on transmiting the strategies of survival we inherited/acquired to our offspring.
We are all prisoners of this little game the minute we re spawned into this world. Old people know we re just animals, they have had the time to think about the whole picture and always come to the same conclusion; life is unfair, crual and absurd intrinsically, it's all about your genetics and upbringing 50/50, and before being religious, philosophers, thinkers , believers, we are... animals. It's our animal brain which generates all of these bullshit meanings we give to life, our existences. In the end it's always about killing or getting killed. Some are better trained, conditionned, engeenered bytheir caregivers to dominate the competition, others solely exist to feed the strongest. Just like in any animal or vegetal species.
I agree with most of that (tho' I think that we ARE programmed to do that, but the evolution happened in such a way that we now THINK whether to actually do that and that's natural too, as everything produced bvy evolution is natural. I personally believe that only way to end this shit/struggle/dilemmas is to cure aging. It will be done. It's actually a whole purpose of an evolution... to eliminate as much causes of death as possible. To survive.) but I want to correct you - we haven't been engineered to have lower test production in our 30's because of some sort of "family life" (a male just impregnates a female and "wanders away" to search for another female, if we talk strictly nature) it's merely a fact that humans did not live past 30 back in the time and there was no selective pressure to keep the hormones going. Everything that goes "wrong" with time in our bodies is in a sense - an unfinished evolution (due to lack of selective pressure) and a genetic developmental program that's starts to work "blindly" after a certain age (once again - due to the lack of selective pressure) and all sorts of havoc begins. It's not healthy for the hormones to decrease, it's not healthy for the immune system to become less effective, just like many other factors. We need to fix this, sexual reproduction has done it's job, it's no longer "feasible", it takes too long to have any significant improvement, it's time for a consciously directed evolution.
The mere fact I, as a life form, am pondering thoughts like these means that evolution has reached that point and it probably was heading towards it for a long long time...
BTW - it may be "immature" not to want to have kids, but I'm seriously questioning that idea (of having kids) merely because I'm not happy with a "human condition" and I'm not sure whether it wouldn't be a very egoistical action to spawn another life to possibly suffer that. Even a thought of a possible serious illness, a war, other human beings who are psychopaths and may ruin someones life for ever or aging (which is worst of all, a disgusting humiliation) makes me very doubtful of whether I should.
And in the end - it doesn't even matter, it's a pure "nothingness" at it's best. Just like dogs who breed blindly, or insects, or birds... Who cares?
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BTW "enzo", you re not fooling anyone, this thread is just another attention whoring attempt on your part which could be summed this way; look at me I have a better life than you all suckers who settled.
Well, good for you, but you re an animal just like the rest of us and you ll die just like the rest of us after a delusional existence.
Growing up is understanding you re an animal and unlearning all the bullshit stories you ve been spoonfed with by your caregivers who couldnt explain to you why they even gave birth to you so they invented or repeated like parrots completely retarded tales hiding the truth; we re animals reproducing blindly and automatically stuff 24/7 365 days a year all life long.
It is about time this farce known as mankind ends.
This was good. Very cynical in essence (and it actually makes one to NOT want "reproduce" even more) but pure.
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ok. so here's the take of a guy who's 43 never married / no kids.
I could sit here and paint a really good life for you guys. I travel 3-4 times a year. I have disposable income. I'm a stud, eventhough sex doesn't control or motivate me. I maintain awesome relationships w all my exes. I have everything that another guy could look at and think 'wow. that guys has it made'. the toys. the trips. the partying. girls.
none of that is why I'm single.
I'm not afraid of relationships. I'm not afraid of it going south. getting cheated on. losing half my shit. getting my heart broken.
I'm single cause I am a loner. I like being alone. I am most comfortable in complete silence. I can go to LV and party for 3 straight days and not sleep. or I can take my dogs into the bush in the winter when the sap is running, spend the day tapping trees, gathering sap, going to the shack and making maple syrup with nothing but the crackle of the wood stove for sound and my dogs for company. go in the house smelling of sugar, strip out of my overalls and flannel and and sit on the couch in front of the fire and drink a cold corona in the dark w my dogs at my feet.
that's what I love. the solitude, the silence and the peace.
fuck my dream existence would be at a snowed in cabin off the grid in the mountains of Montana w just a library of books a well stocked kitchen, a good woodpile and a beat up truck to take to town for groceries every couple weeks.
I've lived life at redline. did that for over a decade. im not single so i can bang broads and party my ass off. ive done that prolly more than most people. it was fun. but my heart is happiest alone w my dogs. I'm single cause some guys are just wired to be alone I guess. I'm one of those guys.
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ok. so here's the take of a guy who's 43 never married / no kids.
I could sit here and paint a really good life for you guys. I travel 3-4 times a year. I have disposable income. I'm a stud, eventhough sex doesn't control or motivate me. I maintain awesome relationships w all my exes. I have everything that another guy could look at and think 'wow. that guys has it made'. the toys. the trips. the partying. girls.
none of that is why I'm single.
I'm not afraid of relationships. I'm not afraid of it going south. getting cheated on. losing half my shit. getting my heart broken.
I'm single cause I am a loner. I like being alone. I am most comfortable in complete silence. I can go to LV and party for 3 straight days and not sleep. or I can take my dogs into the bush in the winter when the sap is running, spend the day tapping trees, gathering sap, going to the shack and making maple syrup with nothing but the crackle of the wood stove for sound and my dogs for company. go in the house smelling of sugar, strip out of my overalls and flannel and and sit on the couch in front of the fire and drink a cold corona in the dark w my dogs at my feet.
that's what I love. the solitude, the silence and the peace.
fuck my dream existence would be at a snowed in cabin off the grid in the mountains of Montana w just a library of books a well stocked kitchen, a good woodpile and a beat up truck to take to town for groceries every couple weeks.
I've lived life at redline. did that for over a decade. im not single so i can bang broads and party my ass off. ive done that prolly more than most people. it was fun. but my heart is happiest alone w my dogs. I'm single cause some guys are just wired to be alone I guess. I'm one of those guys.
I always dreamed of having big house only for me away from town, visit people only when i want and then return into my house and have peace. My life goal. Be "rich", have my "castle".
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/39/Lone_House.jpg)
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Does anyone else have this fear? The responsibility, the financial cost, the loss of freedom to do whatever the fuck you please? Less time to focus on your goals?
I'm a much happier and productive person being single and I don't want that to change. The only bitch is the pressure from my family to "settle down" and give them grand kids
I'd prefer being 45, ripped, driving a sports car, owning a condo in the city, pounding new pussy, flourishing my business over being the boring "family man"
I think you want a family but you are scared. I don't think you are happy. You must be thinking a lot about it as you are getting older.
You just want reassurance from fellas here to tell you it is great being single, no responsibilities...
Anyway this is my opinion based on what you posted. At the end, you are Italian and we know how much Italians care about family. You can't be much different.
There is a lot of responsibilities, but there is a lot of beautiful things family brings. Well worth it in my opinion.
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I always dreamed of having big house only for me away from town, visit people only when i want and then return into my house and have peace. My life goal. Be "rich", have my "castle".
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/39/Lone_House.jpg)
I think societal norms dictate how a person should live their lives and this causes conflict in a lot of people. people think they weird or different because they don't want to be married. don't want kids. don't want what their neighbours have. your the odd man out. the square peg in the round hole. so you start to think, fuck am I afraid of relationships? then you come on getbig, start a thread abt how great your single life is, when is abundantly clear that you'd like nothing more than to settle down and you can't figure out why it hasn't happened to you.
that's the one type of single guy- the guy who wants the family he doesn't have, throws all kinda of empty shit in his life as a salve to justify being single. the other type is the guy who is just comfortable alone.
at the end of the day you gotta be 100% honest w which one you are, cause your existence is really going to suck if your not. you can fool your friends. your family and your neighbours. you can't fool the face who's looking back in the mirror.
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ok. so here's the take of a guy who's 43 never married / no kids.
I could sit here and paint a really good life for you guys. I travel 3-4 times a year. I have disposable income. I'm a stud, eventhough sex doesn't control or motivate me. I maintain awesome relationships w all my exes. I have everything that another guy could look at and think 'wow. that guys has it made'. the toys. the trips. the partying. girls.
none of that is why I'm single.
I'm not afraid of relationships. I'm not afraid of it going south. getting cheated on. losing half my shit. getting my heart broken.
I'm single cause I am a loner. I like being alone. I am most comfortable in complete silence. I can go to LV and party for 3 straight days and not sleep. or I can take my dogs into the bush in the winter when the sap is running, spend the day tapping trees, gathering sap, going to the shack and making maple syrup with nothing but the crackle of the wood stove for sound and my dogs for company. go in the house smelling of sugar, strip out of my overalls and flannel and and sit on the couch in front of the fire and drink a cold corona in the dark w my dogs at my feet.
that's what I love. the solitude, the silence and the peace.
fuck my dream existence would be at a snowed in cabin off the grid in the mountains of Montana w just a library of books a well stocked kitchen, a good woodpile and a beat up truck to take to town for groceries every couple weeks.
I've lived life at redline. did that for over a decade. im not single so i can bang broads and party my ass off. ive done that prolly more than most people. it was fun. but my heart is happiest alone w my dogs. I'm single cause some guys are just wired to be alone I guess. I'm one of those guys.
This sounds like your self fulfilled and happy. More power to you
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I think you want a family but you are scared. I don't think you are happy. You must be thinking a lot about it as you are getting older.
You just want reassurance from fellas here to tell you it is great being single, no responsibilities...
Anyway this is my opinion based on what you posted. At the end, you are Italian and we know how much Italians care about family. You can't be much different.
There is a lot of responsibilities, but there is a lot of beautiful things family brings. Well worth it in my opinion.
I'm actually Dominican and Portuguese..Enzo's just a nickname. Still, growing up in a Latin house starting your own family and being the man of the house is shoved down your throat very early. I think that's my real concern, feeling like I disappointed my fam. I want to live for myself though
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Does anyone else have this fear? The responsibility, the financial cost, the loss of freedom to do whatever the fuck you please? Less time to focus on your goals?
I'm a much happier and productive person being single and I don't want that to change. The only bitch is the pressure from my family to "settle down" and give them grand kids
I'd prefer being 45, ripped, driving a sports car, owning a condo in the city, pounding new pussy, flourishing my business over being the boring "family man"
i know exactly what you mean. I was like that to then my gf got pregnant (it was not planned) amd we decided to keep the baby. When you get kids your prioritices about whats important changes. The kid is more important and give you more hapoiness then driving sportscar and sleeping around. But i felt this first when i became a dad and would have still be happy i guess if it would habe happen cause whats important to me would not have been the same as its now.
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Bunch of hermitage inhabiting freaks around here.
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i know exactly what you mean. I was like that to then my gf got pregnant (it was not planned) amd we decided to keep the baby. When you get kids your prioritices about whats important changes. The kid is more important and give you more hapoiness then driving sportscar and sleeping around. But i felt this first when i became a dad and would have still be happy i guess if it would habe happen cause whats important to me would not have been the same as its now.
I know a lot of guys this happened to. Some of them manned up and became great dads, some are deadbeats. Ive also seen many girls birth kids by men that wanted nothing to do with them. I'm contemplating a vasectomy
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I know a lot of guys this happened to. Some of them manned up and became great dads, some are deadbeats. Ive also seen many girls birth kids by men that wanted nothing to do with them. I'm contemplating a vasectomy
It sounds like a sound plan. I have seriously looked into it as well. I have a hard time pulling out. I have had my bouts of paranoia after, never an abortion though thank god.
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Does anyone else have this fear? The responsibility, the financial cost, the loss of freedom to do whatever the fuck you please? Less time to focus on your goals?
I'm a much happier and productive person being single and I don't want that to change. The only bitch is the pressure from my family to "settle down" and give them grand kids
I'd prefer being 45, ripped, driving a sports car, owning a condo in the city, pounding new pussy, flourishing my business over being the boring "family man"
I don't get why there is a pressure - you're a grown ass man, you can do whatever you want.... if you're happy with being single? Then stay single lol.... thats your prerogative.
I'm the opposite, married for 8 years and have a baby, and happier than ever. All these things don't just magically go away when you get married, you can still drive a sports car, own a condo, expand your business etc.... All depends on the person you marry and how you two decide to live your lives.... Women are not some evil species that will lock you in a cage.
But again... you gotta do what makes you happy, if you want your life the way you have it then don't let anyone change it. No fear, no pressure, nothing, make your choice and go with it.
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It sounds like a sound plan. I have seriously looked into it as well. I have a hard time pulling out. I have had my bouts of paranoia after, never an abortion though thank god.
There's nothing like busting in some good ;D I payed for 1 abortion, for a fuck buddy. Luckily she was cool and logical about the situation. I don't ever want that anxiety again. Plus you can always freeze your boys
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There's nothing like busting in some good ;D I payed for 1 abortion, for a fuck buddy. Luckily she was cool and logical about the situation. I don't ever want that anxiety again. Plus you can always freeze your boys
Im religious. But im a pretty poor example of a religious man, so I do the right thing and keep it to myself most the time. But an abortion would haunt my dreams.
They have the reversible vasectomies. I have thought about that. I would for sure freeze my swimmers though just in case. Im mind 20's so who knows what ill want in ten years.
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I don't get why there is a pressure - you're a grown ass man, you can do whatever you want.... if you're happy with being single? Then stay single lol.... thats your prerogative.
I'm the opposite, married for 8 years and have a baby, and happier than ever. All these things don't just magically go away when you get married, you can still drive a sports car, own a condo, expand your business etc.... All depends on the person you marry and how you two decide to live your lives.... Women are not some evil species that will lock you in a cage.
I have to disagree on that point. I have come across some women, a cage would probably give you more freedom.
May be you've been celibate for a while then married a docile normal woman. In America and England there are some unstable bipolar possessive controlling weird gold digging women...trust me I was naïve to it, came out of a relationship in my mid-twenties and got burned BADLY.
Be very careful who you share your life with, who you let in...this your LIFE, it's precious and only validated and worthy people should get that close, period.
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I have to disagree on that point. I have come across some women, a cage would probably give you more freedom.
May be you've been celibate for a while then married a docile normal woman. In America and England there are some unstable bipolar possessive controlling weird gold digging women...trust me I was naïve to it, came out of a relationship in my mid-twenties and got burned BADLY.
Be very careful who you share your life with, who you let in...this your LIFE, it's precious and only validated and worthy people should get that close, period.
Skorp speaks the truth. He is man with the wisdom of 9000 year old man. And he has the cock twice the girth of California Chrome. No homo.
Women can be the most ruthless vile beasts on this blue planet. I think they can justify things in their mind easier than a man.
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I know a lot of guys this happened to. Some of them manned up and became great dads, some are deadbeats. Ive also seen many girls birth kids by men that wanted nothing to do with them. I'm contemplating a vasectomy
yeah i know to...how old are you?
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I have to disagree on that point. I have come across some women, a cage would probably give you more freedom.
May be you've been celibate for a while then married a docile normal woman. In America and England there are some unstable bipolar possessive controlling weird gold digging women...trust me I was naïve to it, came out of a relationship in my mid-twenties and got burned BADLY.
Be very careful who you share your life with, who you let in...this your LIFE, it's precious and only validated and worthy people should get that close, period.
So true..
the feeling of being fucked by someone you gave your all to is the worst.
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yeah i know to...how old are you?
26
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26
if you are 26 you really should wait with the vasectomi cause its a big chance that you will chsnge your mikd about the family part. Like one of my ex who was 28 then she said that se will never get a kid, 4 years after she changed her mind and tried to get a kid for a couple of years before she got pregnant.........just shoot the load on the sluts faces and call them whored =D
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if you are 26 you really should wait with the vasectomi cause its a big chance that you will chsnge your mikd about the family part. Like one of my ex who was 28 then she said that se will never get a kid, 4 years after she changed her mind and tried to get a kid for a couple of years before she got pregnant.........just shoot the load on the sluts faces and call them whored =D
is that how you guys get down in best korea?
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I know a lot of guys this happened to. Some of them manned up and became great dads, some are deadbeats. Ive also seen many girls birth kids by men that wanted nothing to do with them. I'm contemplating a vasectomy
Every night is 'raw, no condom, no pulling out'-night. I've been cut a year ago or so, and can highly recommend it. I feel exactly the same, and my wife feels better because she's no longer forced to take hormones. Now she's taking fun hormones. :D
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if you are 26 you really should wait with the vasectomi cause its a big chance that you will chsnge your mikd about the family part. Like one of my ex who was 28 then she said that se will never get a kid, 4 years after she changed her mind and tried to get a kid for a couple of years before she got pregnant.........just shoot the load on the sluts faces and call them whored =D
Well, some people change their minds, sure. Mostly those who haven't been honest with themselves. I have been consistent in not wanting children for 40 years, and I could/should have had it done at 30 already.
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Does anyone else have this fear? The responsibility, the financial cost, the loss of freedom to do whatever the fuck you please? Less time to focus on your goals?
I'm a much happier and productive person being single and I don't want that to change. The only bitch is the pressure from my family to "settle down" and give them grand kids
I'd prefer being 45, ripped, driving a sports car, owning a condo in the city, pounding new pussy, flourishing my business over being the boring "family man"
You can do both. Maximal life output. Get a girl pregnant and assume the role of abscent or part time dad.
The only thing you miss will be the marriage part, but that seems to be quite a bit of work and seems to end in divorce anyway.
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All these things don't just magically go away when you get married, you can still drive a sports car, own a condo, expand your business etc.... All depends on the person you marry and how you two decide to live your lives.... Women are not some evil species that will lock you in a cage.
I was gonna post something like this...
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I have to disagree on that point. I have come across some women, a cage would probably give you more freedom.
Yes, some women... Not all of them.
There also some men who would be more than pleased to 'cage' their women. Some other men want their wives to tell them what to do for every single thing in life. So many types of men, so many types of women.
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Every night is 'raw, no condom, no pulling out'-night. I've been cut a year ago or so, and can highly recommend it. I feel exactly the same, and my wife feels better because she's no longer forced to take hormones. Now she's taking fun hormones. :D
I've already been a surrogate mom, and that was enough, no kids for me. I actually wanted my tubes to be plugged. No operation or cuts for that, just some plug shoved down the tube via already exiting openings. But this procedure is only posible... when you already gave birth to one or more children... >:(
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I was gonna post something like this...
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I've already been a surrogate mom, and that was enough, no kids for me. I actually wanted my tubes to be plugged. No operation or cuts for that, just some plug shoved down the tube via already exiting openings. But this procedure is only posible... when you already gave birth to one or more children... >:(
Bragging again that you're too tight? ;D
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Get yourself a sweet madonna, dressed in rhinestones, sitting on a pedestal of abalone shell.
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I've already been a surrogate mom, and that was enough, no kids for me. I actually wanted my tubes to be plugged. No operation or cuts for that, just some plug shoved down the tube via already exiting openings. But this procedure is only posible... when you already gave birth to one or more children... >:(
Which one is it? You said that you have been a surrogate mother and then you said that you can't get sterilised because you have not given birth to any children?
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Which one is it? You said that you have been a surrogate mother and then you said that you can't get sterilised because you have not given birth to any children?
Lost in translation. The Dutch expression is similar for both "carrying someone else's child" and "raising someone else's child". I will vouch that there is no way she has given birth to anything larger than my cock.
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Lost in translation. The Dutch expression is similar for both "carrying someone else's child" and "raising someone else's child". I will vouch that there is no way she has given birth to anything larger than my cock.
essentially still a virgin then.
most likely requires a shoe-horn to get a tampon in.
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essentially still a virgin then.
most likely requires a shoe-horn to get a tampon in.
Good thing at least my fingers are long and thick...
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Parents are prisoners of their kids, whether they like to admit it or not. It's never the same after that, but once a person puts so much effort, money, time, health, nerves, etc... into something, no surprise that "something" becomes a very valuable thing in life, if it wouldn't be so - most would go insane.
The thing is - none of that matters (in essence). A bunch of ants blindly reproducing and thinking it's of a high importance. Oh geez..
QFT. Kids are no "wonders", family is not "sacred'. It's just your animal instincts telling you what to do, despite your own best interest. On top of that, many people fall for the illusion of happy family others project. I sincerely believe there must be genuinely happy families out there, but let us be honest - how many proud fathers you know who had enjoyed their time with their family every weekend and bragged about their kids left their family for some young slut? I do not want to be that person, I do not want to live in a lie. I accept egocentric, self-centered bastard I am.
I used to dedicate everything to being a bodybuilder.
Then I turned 30, and realized there were much more important things in life.
Like powerlifting.
Awesome :D
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QFT. Kids are no "wonders", family is not "sacred'. It's just your animal instincts telling you what to do, despite your own best interest. On top of that, many people fall for the illusion of happy family others project. I sincerely believe there must be genuinely happy families out there, but let us be honest - how many proud fathers you know who had enjoyed their time with their family every weekend and bragged about their kids left their family for some young slut? I do not want to be that person, I do not want to live in a lie. I accept egocentric, self-centered bastard I am.
Very good point there. It's like religion in the US: when you ask people if they go to church, the majority says they do. If you look at what most of them truly do, then it turns out to be a lie. Like happy families. Sure, everyone says it is great when you ask. But when you just observe, you see many families interact with nothing but fatigue, contempt and mutual hatred on their faces. Putting a brave face on when a picture is taken, obviously. ::)
Another point would be the problem of rationalization. Humans in general have a tendency to rationalize all their choices post-hoc, even their most horrible decisions. The alternative would be admitting they made a mistake and jumping off a bridge. So they lie to themselves to blunt the feeling of their self-inflicted agony.
Not saying happy families do not exist. My parents were truly happy. But from decades of observation I'm sure they were the minority.
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Which one is it? You said that you have been a surrogate mother and then you said that you can't get sterilised because you have not given birth to any children?
Lost in translation. The Dutch expression is similar for both "carrying someone else's child" and "raising someone else's child". I will vouch that there is no way she has given birth to anything larger than my cock.
Sorry for the confusion Booty! As Phreak already said, I've never given birth, but I did had to help raise somebody else's child.
I did consider giving birth for a homosexual couple, but I don't agree with the Dutch laws for surrogacy, so I didn't do it.
Sterilisation is possible, the old fashioned way with cuts, but not this plugging methode, which I preferred.
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Sorry for the confusion Booty! As Phreak already said, I've never given birth, but I did had to help raise somebody else's child.
I did consider giving birth for a homosexual couple, but I don't agree with the Dutch laws for surrogacy, so I didn't do it.
Sterilisation is possible, the old fashioned way with cuts, but not this plugging methode, which I preferred.
It sounds odd that they would allow you to have your tubes cut but not plugged. ???
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It sounds odd that they would allow you to have your tubes cut but not plugged. ???
They cannot fit the tools in there unless it's been stretched beyond recognition from pregnancy. Yes, really.
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They cannot fit the tools in there unless it's been stretched beyond recognition from pregnancy. Yes, really.
tubes don't get stretched from pregnancy. Fallopian tubes role is for the eggs to travel from the ovaries down the tubes into the uterus where a possible pregnancy can take place. You pair are full of shit!
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tubes don't get stretched from pregnancy. Fallopian tubes role is for the eggs to travel from the ovaries down the tubes into the uterus where a possible pregnancy can take place. You pair are full of shit!
Poor Booty... You are as knowledgable and informed as you are youthful.
Although partly I admit: with the newer methods (e.g. Adiana) it would have been possible.
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Poor Booty... You are as knowledgable and informed as you are youthful.
You are an idiot!
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You are an idiot!
Sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of your silicone sloshing around.
I seriously considered whether I was going to explain female anatomy to an old woman, but never mind. I recognise a lost cause when I see one.
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Sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of your silicone sloshing around.
I seriously considered whether I was going to explain female anatomy to an old woman, but never mind. I recognise a lost cause when I see one.
I know more about female anatomy being that I am female and have had babies. You pair got caught out with your bullshit. If tubes got stretched out during childbirth then they wouldn't be of any use for any future pregnancies. And women can have multiple babies if they choose to. Tubes are sensitive and any kind of damage to them can increase the chances of an ectopic pregnancy which is dangerous and life threatening.
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tubes don't get stretched from pregnancy. Fallopian tubes role is for the eggs to travel from the ovaries down the tubes into the uterus where a possible pregnancy can take place. You pair are full of shit!
The uterus - and mostly the cervix - has to be stretched (by giving birth), because the tools have to fit in/through there. And from there the doctor has to have enough room to move around to find and fill the fallopian tubes with either a piece of silicone or metal spiral to plug the tubes. After a few months those plugs are fused with your own tissue and you're sterile.
Essure is one of those plugs: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Essure (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Essure)
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Parents are prisoners of their kids, whether they like to admit it or not. It's never the same after that, but once a person puts so much effort, money, time, health, nerves, etc... into something, no surprise that "something" becomes a very valuable thing in life, if it wouldn't be so - most would go insane.
The product doesn't receive false value because we need to delude ourselves to justify the time and effort, it receives value because it's pretty fucking cool.
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I know more about female anatomy being that I am female and have had babies.
All female animals can have babies. I still wouldn't ask for medical info from a cow.
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All female animals can have babies. I still wouldn't ask for medical info from a cow.
You are probably on juniors pay role.
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You are probably on juniors pay role.
Odd as you may find this, most people don't need to be paid to consider you a vapid, one-dimensional, low-cost cosmetic surgery experiment.
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Does anyone else have this fear? The responsibility, the financial cost, the loss of freedom to do whatever the fuck you please? Less time to focus on your goals?
I'm a much happier and productive person being single and I don't want that to change. The only bitch is the pressure from my family to "settle down" and give them grand kids
I'd prefer being 45, ripped, driving a sports car, owning a condo in the city, pounding new pussy, flourishing my business over being the boring "family man"
This tune will change when you actually get closer to that age (around 35-40) :D
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The product doesn't receive false value because we need to delude ourselves to justify the time and effort, it receives value because it's pretty fucking cool.
Far from everyone think it's cool. Just not many are brave enough to admit it. Not everyone have healthy kids, not everyones kids grow up the way their parents intended, not everyone has a "cool" experience with that, far from it. But what's left if not valuing? Abadoning? That's even worse.
The day human beings (in a western world) will be able to live past 100 (in a good health/relatively young state) many families will split, and the whole understanding of a "family" will change forever. Kids will be a rarity/just when needed for a society to create some new citizens (as not aging doesn't mean immortality).
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This tune will change when you actually get closer to that age (around 35-40) :D
You will change your tune when you'll turn 70 and realize how unimportant this life is.
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Far from everyone think it's cool. Just not many are brave enough to admit it. Not everyone have healthy kids, not everyones kids grow up the way their parents intended, not everyone has a "cool" experience with that, far from it. But what's left if not valuing? Abadoning? That's even worse.
Yeah, that what happens over large samples - you get a variety of outcomes. Your statement is just one slice of a plethora of possibilities, not the norm.
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Yeah, that what happens over large samples - you get a variety of outcomes. Your statement is just one slice of a plethora of possibilities, not the norm.
Just like everything... it's relative.
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Booty getting utterly destroyed here. 50 IQ of peace :D
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Booty getting utterly destroyed here. 50 IQ of peace :D
dumb as rock
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dumb as rock
Nothing worse that a stupid female imaging she's actually "intelligent". Know a few mannicure/make-up specialists like that, first ones to run their mouths, but if they'd only know how fuckin mentally challenged they are they'd jump off the bridge right away.
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So I've been seeing this really hot large breasted polish chick for 3 weeks now. I havnt sold her any dreams or said we're exclusive. I just finished decorating my new pad and wanted to show it off so I had her over for dinner last night..and she told me she loves me :/ I played it off like "you're so crazy" and proceeded to fuck her brains out.
I already know this won't end well...
PS, yes I'm attention whoring :)
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Fuck the whore. Where did you get that table?
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Fuck the whore. Where did you get that table?
ZGallerie
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Proud as hell of my place
(http://i59.tinypic.com/288oxf.jpg)
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Proud as hell of my place
(http://i59.tinypic.com/288oxf.jpg)
Nice. Picked out yourself or a woman helped you? :D
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So I've been seeing this really hot large breasted polish chick for 3 weeks now. I havnt sold her any dreams or said we're exclusive. I just finished decorating my new pad and wanted to show it off so I had her over for dinner last night..and she told me she loves me :/ I played it off like "you're so crazy" and proceeded to fuck her brains out.
I already know this won't end well...
PS, yes I'm attention whoring :)
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3 weeks, she loves you and she knows where you live?
Good luck ending that one, dipshit! :D
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Ikea table of peace.
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Nice. Picked out yourself or a woman helped you? :D
My mom helped a lot
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3 weeks, she loves you and she knows where you live?
Good luck ending that one, dipshit! :D
The batshit crazy texts should be rolling in anytime :D
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American?
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My mom helped a lot
Is she hot? We got some milf hunters on getbig that might be proud to call you son.
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Your life is over when you have kids, more and more people with kids are admitting that.
This
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Your life is over when you have kids, more and more people with kids are admitting that.
It really comes down to money at the end of the day.
If you are reasonably wealthy, you don't suffer from a lot of the downsides of having kids.
I've been lucky enough to be in a position where it's been mostly upside. The wife never got fat, we still have plenty of spare cash, I go on vacations on my own without the family (as does my wife), I go out with the boys when I want - and the wife goes out with her mates too. Usually one of us goes out, gets shitfaced and the other will come and play taxi at the end of the night.
Right now we are on vacation - just the two of us without the kids.
Her family all live hours away from where we live, so I seldom have to bother with family events but I do like a trip to her moms in December.
Obviously, it's not all roses but the positives outweigh any negatives. I think that this is mostly because of having money - we aren't rich by any means - but we do better than most.
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From the neck up, I look like Gordon Ramsay if he went a week without sleep.
LMAO
but i'm guessing g. ramsay sleeps no more than once a month, honestly
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Bragging again that you're too tight? ;D
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Proud as hell of my place
(http://i59.tinypic.com/288oxf.jpg)
I didn't know they let you live in an office building's lobby. ???
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I didn't know they let you live in an office building's lobby. ???
Pardon?
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Very nice gaffe...
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Pardon?
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Omg this is horrendous! It's like Patrick Bateman moved to Shanghai Tower!
You & Lurkernomore have similar citified taste. I hung shit on him for it too. ;D
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Pardon?
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Unclipped toenails, would not hit.
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Enzo. Very nice place, again there is no reasomakes still can't have all that and a family.
But at the end of the day you have to do what males you happy.
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Pardon?
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if thats you in the avi pic, then i fuckin hate u lol ;D
livin the life. nice pad.
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It really comes down to money at the end of the day.
If you are reasonably wealthy, you don't suffer from a lot of the downsides of having kids.
I've been lucky enough to be in a position where it's been mostly upside. The wife never got fat, we still have plenty of spare cash, I go on vacations on my own without the family (as does my wife), I go out with the boys when I want - and the wife goes out with her mates too. Usually one of us goes out, gets shitfaced and the other will come and play taxi at the end of the night.
Right now we are on vacation - just the two of us without the kids.
Her family all live hours away from where we live, so I seldom have to bother with family events but I do like a trip to her moms in December.
Obviously, it's not all roses but the positives outweigh any negatives. I think that this is mostly because of having money - we aren't rich by any means - but we do better than most.
Sounds good! Yeah, money is def an important factor and a woman with her own life as well :)
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if thats you in the avi pic, then i fuckin hate u lol ;D
livin the life. nice pad.
Enzo has GREAT hair!
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ENZO, beautiful place, dude.
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Never say never bro..getting married was the best thing that ever happened to me. We are all wired differently though. Your new crib is sick, we need to hang again 8) shot you a pm