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Does it really make a difference? ???
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Does it really make a difference? ???
Yes. The body has gone without food for at least 8 or more hours and doing cardio means that it potentially burns more bodyfat. Also it ramps the metabolic rate up for the rest of the day.
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Yes. The body has gone without food for at least 8 or more hours and doing cardio means that it potentially burns more bodyfat. Also it ramps the metabolic rate up for the rest of the day.
This. The overall intermittent fasting/training thing is one of the best things I ever did.
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Cool thanks, seems to be working good. Wasn't really sure if this was bro science or not.
140 or Bust ;D
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Yes. The body has gone without food for at least 8 or more hours and doing cardio means that it potentially burns more bodyfat. Also it ramps the metabolic rate up for the rest of the day.
I agree with this however I dont like getting up early to do the shit.
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Cool thanks, seems to be working good. Wasn't really sure if this was bro science or not.
140 or Bust ;D
Would love to be your morning cup of joe before your cardio.
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I agree with this however I dont like getting up early to do the shit.
I met Tony Robbins in an elevator recently. He said some things to me and now I find myself doing early morning cardio and focusing on women's inner beauty.
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Would love to be your morning cup of joe before your cardio.
I just spent an hour obsessively cleaning out my coffee maker. ;D
Found some pink mold and lots of nasty mineral build up. :-X :-X :-X
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Does it really make a difference? ???
Best time to do cardio is 2am in the morning, ask jay cutler.
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I agree with this however I dont like getting up early to do the shit.
in summer here I have to get up at 4.30 am to do cardio as the sun is too hot after 6 am. But that's when the snakes are out also. I have stepped on a lot of snakes.
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This totally works for me as well...... 6 mornings a week....
Combined with a basic Keto diet I'm now at 9% and 204 pounds.
Been losing about 1 pound of fat a week since late february.
In 5 more weeks I'll be shredded .....all thanks to 2 things.
Fasted cardio and Keto.
The weights are done 4 days a week usually midday.
Monday - Pull....Back /Bi's/Traps
Tuesday- Delts/Calfs
Wednesday-Thighs
Friday Push...Chest/Triceps
I do abs 3-4 nights a week in my living room.
-Carry on :)
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This totally works for me as well...... 6 mornings a week....
Combined with a basic Keto diet I'm now at 9% and 204 pounds.
Been losing about 1 pound of fat a week since late february.
In 5 more weeks I'll be shredded .....all thanks to 2 things.
Fasted cardio and Keto.
The weights are done 4 days a week usually midday.
Monday - Pull....Back /Bi's/Traps
Tuesday- Delts/Calfs
Wednesday-Thighs
Friday Push...Chest/Triceps
I do abs 3-4 nights a week in my living room.
-Carry on :)
This is cool, very similar to what I do!
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in summer here I have to get up at 4.30 am to do cardio as the sun is too hot after 6 am. But that's when the shakes are out also. I have stepped on a lot of snakes.
Brutal! Maybe get a stationary bike.
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Brutal! Maybe get a stationary bike.
No actually what I do now is cardio straight after my weights. It's the next best thing to fasted cardio. I don't have to worry about the sun also as I am in the gym.
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I've done it for years and it works very well. Drink a black cup of coffee and do it immediately after you wake up.
If performed too often (and you're natty), you'll have less energy for your weight training. You'll probably lose some muscle too.
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I weight train in the morning exclusively and fasted weight training didn't work well for me. Now, I have a small bowl of oatmeal 30 minutes before I train. Carb/protein shake after.
As for "cardio", I usually do HIIT-type stuff, but I do it in the evening, before dinner. Not fasted, either.
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Fasted cardio in theory is better.
I suppose the trade off is in the intensity you can muster while fasted.
However, if you're glycogen depleted then more of the calories you're burning will come from fat. Fasted morning cardio would be my choice for fat loss, as well as intermittent fasting for weight loss (as opposed to other methods of weight loss which a) make me feel worse and b) imo take too longer; aside from keto, but I don't like doing weight training while in ketogenesis).
Galeniko swears by fasted weight training as well, and he maintains incredible leanness without hardcore androgens and without dangerous stimulant use. So take from that what you will.
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I have stepped on a lot of snakes.
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Works for me. All homo. Join me under the towel anyone?
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Works for me. All homo. Join me under the towel anyone?
Swap to a white towel and I'm in
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Works for me. All homo. Join me under the towel anyone?
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=540060.0;attach=569019;image)
Dayum XFACTOR....you're looking shredded and full, improved from last pic I saw and you were in great shape then.
I've just picked up the pace too since coming back from hols now....getting ready for Ibiza mid august.
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Does it really make a difference? ???
Not for me, but hey, my breakfast is always after 12:00. Usually at 12:30, sometimes even at 14:00. And I get up at 6:15. I just can't eat in the morning... Makes me sick as a dog. :-\
So all cardio and weighttraining I do fasted. If I eat before taining, I just puke...
I just spent an hour obsessively cleaning out my coffee maker. ;D
Found some pink mold and lots of nasty mineral build up. :-X :-X :-X
You did just run it a few times with vinegar or lemon juice instead of water, instead of really scrubbing, didn't you?
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Works for me. All homo. Join me under the towel anyone?
Would luv to personally hand you those flowers.
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Would luv to personally hand you those flowers.
Pink Orchid's contained in a "vintage-chic" French vase on Italian marble bathroom + Egyptian cotton towel on the stud.
His wife has taste.
All homo
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Pink Orchid's contained in a "vintage-chic" French vase on Italian marble bathroom + Egyptian cotton towel on the stud.
His wife has taste.
All homo
I hope so, homo.
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Dayum XFACTOR....you're looking shredded and full, improved from last pic I saw and you were in great shape then.
I've just picked up the pace too since coming back from hols now....getting ready for Ibiza mid august.
I want to go so bad!!
No one and I are heading to a huge music fest this weekend here in Toronto. In full shred mode for that.
Luciano and Deep Dish!!!
http://digitaldreamsfest.ca/festival-artist-lineup/
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Would luv to personally hand you those flowers.
I'm not sure I could have made the photo any more gay.
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Mentally? Yes, Any OCD ritual that makes you stick to a routine will help
Physiologically ? Not very much in the big picture.
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I met Tony Robbins in an elevator recently. He said some things to me and now I find myself doing early morning cardio and focusing on women's inner beauty.
When will you be joining the Peace Corps?
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Works for me. All homo. Join me under the towel anyone?
would.
with the fire of a thousand suns, would.
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Does it really make a difference? ???
It has helped me a lot even though I am nowhere near "competition" class.
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Not for me, but hey, my breakfast is always after 12:00. Usually at 12:30, sometimes even at 14:00. And I get up at 6:15. I just can't eat in the morning... Makes me sick as a dog. :-\
So all cardio and weighttraining I do fasted. If I eat before taining, I just puke...
You did just run it a few times with vinegar or lemon juice instead of water, instead of really scrubbing, didn't you?
Yeah... lol... Thanks :P
I ran vinegar through it and then several pots of distilled water. I literally had to scrub the water reservoir though and the top part that the water drips out of. I mean it was so nasty and somehow I never noticed it.
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When will you be joining the Peace Corps?
lol
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Yeah... lol... Thanks :P
I ran vinegar through it and then several pots of distilled water. I literally had to scrub the water reservoir though and the top part that the water drips out of. I mean it was so nasty and somehow I never noticed it.
You dirty boy!
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I want to go so bad!!
No one and I are heading to a huge music fest this weekend here in Toronto. In full shred mode for that.
Luciano and Deep Dish!!!
http://digitaldreamsfest.ca/festival-artist-lineup/
Will be making a visit to thr stated next year, we could all hit Vegas or something.
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Will be making a visit to thr stated next year, we could all hit Vegas or something.
Does this illiterate sentence suggest that some folks are headed across the pond? That would be sweet.
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I want to go so bad!!
No one and I are heading to a huge music fest this weekend here in Toronto. In full shred mode for that.
Luciano and Deep Dish!!!
http://digitaldreamsfest.ca/festival-artist-lineup/
this is going to be nuts.
plus two studs like us. how can it not be a great day.
oh, as to the original purpose of the thread- train and do cardio fasted. thank me later.
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Works for me. All homo. Join me under the towel anyone?
great built, size and bodyfat level wise.
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However, if you're glycogen depleted then more of the calories you're burning will come from fat.
Not necessarily. Whether your burning glucose or fat depends on the intensity level of the exercise you`re performing, not your glycogen levels. i.e. A person can have very low glycogen levels and even be depleted of glycogen, and may not be burning fat efficiently if they are exercising beyond their aerobic capacity. (aerobic vs anaerobic). Your body will break down muscle to fuel anaerobic activity without adequate glycogen. This is why HIIT is a definite no-no when you are on a ultra-low carbohydrate diet. When eating ultra low carb, stick to steady-state aerobic cardio, which burns fat for fuel. If you`re doing HIIT, eat your carbs.
Also, it`s a fallacy that you are carb-depleted in the mornings after a night of sleeping. The average person has 300gms of glycogen stored in their muscles and in their liver. A level of glycogen that would need considerably more than 8 hours to deplete. Around the 48-72 hour mark is where the average sedentary person starts to deplete their glycogen stores.
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Is there any point in doing fasted cardio when you're on Keto? ???
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Is there any point in doing fasted cardio when you're on Keto? ???
If you put a white towel over your head it works
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This totally works for me as well...... 6 mornings a week....
Combined with a basic Keto diet I'm now at 9% and 204 pounds.
Been losing about 1 pound of fat a week since late february.
In 5 more weeks I'll be shredded .....all thanks to 2 things.
Fasted cardio and Keto.
The weights are done 4 days a week usually midday.
Monday - Pull....Back /Bi's/Traps
Tuesday- Delts/Calfs
Wednesday-Thighs
Friday Push...Chest/Triceps
I do abs 3-4 nights a week in my living room.
-Carry on :)
How tall are you?
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Try this:
Eat nothing before your cardio for 8 weeks.
Then:
Eat 150 grams of sugar before your cardio for 8 weeks.
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Not necessarily. Whether your burning glucose or fat depends on the intensity level of the exercise you`re performing, not your glycogen levels. i.e. A person can have very low glycogen levels and even be depleted of glycogen, and may not be burning fat efficiently if they are exercising beyond their aerobic capacity. (aerobic vs anaerobic). Your body will break down muscle to fuel anaerobic activity without adequate glycogen. This is why HIIT is a definite no-no when you are on a ultra-low carbohydrate diet. When eating ultra low carb, stick to steady-state aerobic cardio, which burns fat for fuel. If you`re doing HIIT, eat your carbs.
Also, it`s a fallacy that you are carb-depleted in the mornings after a night of sleeping. The average person has 300gms of glycogen stored in their muscles and in their liver. A level of glycogen that would need considerably more than 8 hours to deplete. Around the 48-72 hour mark is where the average sedentary person starts to deplete their glycogen stores.
This is all correct. The early morning, fasted cardio BURNING pure fat idea is largely bro science / myth. It's not backed up my any real studies or data. I dont have time/desire to dig it all up and spoon feed you. Its all about daily calories in / calories out over time and the makeup (macros) of those calories that dictate body composition. Cardio AT ANY time helps with this. The idea that doing it in the morning is magical is myth. I lot of people do it just because its an ideal way to break things up but there is very little evidence that it truly makes you leaner. Anecdotal reports seem abundant though which just goes to show you're all fucking idiots.
Strength and Conditioning Journal by Brad Schoenfeld, MSc, CSCS
Here are the cliffs for you lazy mouth breathers that learned everything you know from flex magazine:
-research has shown no difference in total fat loss between subjects doing fasted cardio and those doing cardio after eating.
-fat burning consists of 1) liberating fatty acids from adipose tissue through lipolysis and then transport of those fatty acids to other tissues like muscle, liver, heart where they are then 2) oxidized for energy. When you eat before cardio you reduce lipolysis but it ends up not making a difference because lipolysis is NOT the rate limiting step of fat loss when it comes to cardio, it is oxidation that is rate limiting so you end up oxidizing the same amount
-you may burn MORE fat over a 24 hour period when you eat beforehand because there is a GREATER thermogenic response to cardio as opposed to eating fasted
-Lemon et al. demonstrated nitrogen losses were DOUBLED when you train fasted. Fantastic for maintaining muscle in a caloric deficit... NOT
-not eating before cardio will reduce training intensity and means you will burn less calories during cardio because you won't have as much energy.
In conclusion, the literature does not support the efficacy of training early in the morning on an empty stomach as a tactic to reduce body fat. At best, the net effect on fat loss associated with such an approach will be no better than training after meal consumption, and quite possibly, it would produce inferior results. Moreover, given that training with depleted glycogen levels has been shown to increase proteolysis, the strategy has potential detrimental effects for those concerned with muscle strength and hypertrophy.
Schoenfeld, Brad. Does Cardio After an Overnight Fast Maximize Fat Loss. Strength and Conditioning Journal. 2010
Paoli et al. Exercising Fasting or Fed to Enhance Fat Loss? Influence of Food Intake on Respiratory Ratio and Excess Postexercise Oxygen Consumption After a Bout of Endurance Training. International Journal of Sport Nutrition and Exercise Metabolism. 2011
Whitney E, Rolfes S. Understanding Nutrition. 13th edition. 2013
Gropper SS. Advanced Nutrition and Human Metabolism. Sixth edition. 2013
If it were not for the divine light givers such as myself and Rudee, you fucking meatheads would continue living in the dark for ages. Getting up at 5am for your grueling and exhausting (and pointless) fasted AM cardio. Fucking miserable.
ROGER FUCKING BACON FREE YOUR MIND!!!!
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@ Alpine:
Do you have pictures to back up your claims or maybe experience (i doubt that) ?
Or will it be copy & paste, as usual?
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no one and x
must meet up with the uk crew at some point
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@ Alpine:
Do you have pictures to back up your claims or maybe experience (i doubt that) ?
Or will it be copy & paste, as usual?
Look at my fucking post above you fucking clown. Would pics make it anymore credible? I could be Steven fucking Hawking in a wheel chair and it would not change what I posted. Or I could be a complete idiot who is 6' 225 ripped to the bone and attribute it all to fasted morning cardio. I know plenty of those people too. People posting experiences means nothing because most people are fucking idiots. FACT. Many people who possess very little knowledge of how or why the body works get ripped doing what they are told and following old dogmatic principles. Would a pic of that person make them credible? Would you really want Ronnie Coleman to give you advice on physiology of the human body? I'm pretty sure he reads on a 10th grade level. He could barely explain what the supplements he was taking in his video did for his body (literally "dis one heya foh my livah. Dis one one here keeps my blood good...."). He just knew Chad told him to take them. Pretty sure no matter how much knowledge most of us possess, we could never be on his level either.
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Look at my fucking post above you fucking clown. Would pics make it anymore credible? I could be Steven fucking Hawking in a wheel chair and it would not change what I posted. Or I could be a complete idiot who is 6' 225 ripped to the bone and attribute it all to fasted morning cardio. I know plenty of those people too. People posting experiences means nothing because most people are fucking idiots. FACT. Many people who possess very little knowledge of how or why the body works get ripped doing what they are told and following old dogmatic principles. Would a pic of that person make them credible? Would you really want Ronnie Coleman to give you advice on physiology of the human body? I'm pretty sure he reads on a 10th grade level. He could barely explain what the supplements he was taking in his video did for his body (literally). He just knew Chad told him to take them. Pretty sure no matter how much knowledge most of us possess, we could never be on his level either.
i would be interested to hear your theories on the universe steven
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i would be interested to hear your theories on the universe steven
My theory is that you are Skorpio's biggest cheerleader. You should be ashamed but you're too stupid and impressionable.
Go play some fucking GTA on your Xbox or something you dipshit. You simple minded little cog. I'm trying to fucking free minds here.
(http://www.oltrelacoltre.com/public/uploads/2010/09/free_your_mind_3.gif)
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Not necessarily. Whether your burning glucose or fat depends on the intensity level of the exercise you`re performing, not your glycogen levels. i.e. A person can have very low glycogen levels and even be depleted of glycogen, and may not be burning fat efficiently if they are exercising beyond their aerobic capacity. (aerobic vs anaerobic). Your body will break down muscle to fuel anaerobic activity without adequate glycogen. This is why HIIT is a definite no-no when you are on a ultra-low carbohydrate diet. When eating ultra low carb, stick to steady-state aerobic cardio, which burns fat for fuel. If you`re doing HIIT, eat your carbs.
Also, it`s a fallacy that you are carb-depleted in the mornings after a night of sleeping. The average person has 300gms of glycogen stored in their muscles and in their liver. A level of glycogen that would need considerably more than 8 hours to deplete. Around the 48-72 hour mark is where the average sedentary person starts to deplete their glycogen stores.
Interesting post, thanks for sharing.
I did HITT for 18.5 minutes, 4x per weerk, right after my weight training with 400gr of carbs. In order to reach my BF goal. I experienced that there was no need to lower that amount.
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Wake up, drink some coffee and go run a couple miles.
Got dam rocket science I tell ya.
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Look at my fucking post above you fucking clown. Would pics make it anymore credible? I could be Steven fucking Hawking in a wheel chair and it would not change what I posted. Or I could be a complete idiot who is 6' 225 ripped to the bone and attribute it all to fasted morning cardio. I know plenty of those people too. People posting experiences means nothing because most people are fucking idiots. FACT. Many people who possess very little knowledge of how or why the body works get ripped doing what they are told and following old dogmatic principles. Would a pic of that person make them credible? Would you really want Ronnie Coleman to give you advice on physiology of the human body? I'm pretty sure he reads on a 10th grade level. He could barely explain what the supplements he was taking in his video did for his body (literally "dis one heya foh my livah. Dis one one here keeps my blood good...."). He just knew Chad told him to take them. Pretty sure no matter how much knowledge most of us possess, we could never be on his level either.
I have not read neither your long essay, nor this quoted meltdown.
You are not shredded, you haven't got any size, there would be pictures if you were.
I suspect you do not train at all.
Every pro and competitor, what do they do in the morning, and why, do they have it all wrong?
At least they have pictures.
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Yes. The body has gone without food for at least 8 or more hours and doing cardio means that it potentially burns more bodyfat. Also it ramps the metabolic rate up for the rest of the day.
No it does not, it's been proven by science you dumb whore.
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@ Alpine:
Do you have pictures to back up your claims or maybe experience (i doubt that) ?
Or will it be copy & paste, as usual?
Hey Complex......Alpine is an out of shape, scruffy old fat turd
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Hey Complex......Alpine is an out of shape, scruffy old fat turd
Oh!
There was me thinking he must be very well built, and just doesn't want his identity disclosed, or anything about him.
He is posting all this scientific data, and thinks this will give him credibility.
I guess all the competitors must be naive to do cardio on empty stomach, in the morning, when it's the most grueling.
Instead of laying about and have some food and then do the cardio, full of energy.
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Oh!
There was me thinking he must be very well built, and just doesn't want his identity disclosed, or anything about him.
He is posting all this scientific data, and thinks this will give him credibility.
I guess all the competitors must be naive to do cardio on empty stomach, in the morning, when it's the most grueling.
Instead of laying about and have some food and then do the cardio, full of energy.
By what you said its obvious you have not read, nor understand, what the studies demonstrate. It doesn't matter if its more grueling in the AM. Doing anything in the AM is harder. Idiot competitors who barely understand human physiology following a trainer's guidelines also means less to me than studies and scientists who understand the body. Even if they do get ripped, it was not because of when they did their cardio. It was because they dropped their cals and got the cardio in that day, period. When you eat before cardio you reduce lipolysis (release fatty acids) for that small window but it ends up NOT making a difference because lipolysis is NOT the rate limiting step of fat loss when it comes to cardio, it is oxidation (burning up or usage of the freed fatty acids) that is rate limiting so you end up oxidizing the same amount. In essence, it cancels each other out and you may actually just be causing more peripheral detrimental effects to muscle accrual and strength by doing cardio fasted and or glycogen depleted.
One scenario where I could see not eating making a difference is something like this. Wake up fasted, pin GH, train/cardio, liberate FFA to be oxidized, DO NOT EAT AFTER workout as well. Fast again for a min of 4 hrs, let the GH increase FFA release and oxidation in that window, thus surpassing (to some degree) the natural rate limits of the FFA release and oxidation steps. This is oversimplified but it needs to be for you fucking morons. Some people do this. Some people pin GH, work out then fast afterward for maximal fat loss. It is kind of along the lines of a carbless pwo protocol for fat loss. It's just horrible for gains and you better be on some moderate test/tren if you want to hold that mass. If one wanted to implement this for sheer fat loss it could have merit though, possibly.
If you think doing 30min of fasted cardio THEN having breakfast within 1hr of it means you burned more fat that day, you are mistaken. Simply not how the body works. You may have freed up more FFA but rate of oxidation would be the same in either scenario. The net result is the same as if you did your cardio PWO or some other time in a more fed state. The limit on the "fat burned" is the oxidation step not the release of the FFA. Thus there is no real benefit at all. The above mentioned scenario with a PWO fast could theoretically make a difference but even then its probably marginal.
Class Dismissed you slack jawed dolts!
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Thanks Alpine!
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You guys overthink this shit. You won't answer this kind of questions on the level of biochemistry. There has been numerous studies on fasted vs non-fasted cardio/training and it has been proven time after time that it has no effect on fat loss. That's it, your wonderful physique and your beliefs are irrelevant. Of course uneducated twats will try to argue with me because they "look better" and "scientists look like shit". There is nothing to argue with, champ.
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You guys overthink this shit. You won't answer this kind of questions on the level of biochemistry. There has been numerous studies on fasted vs non-fasted cardio/training and it has been proven time after time that it has no effect on fat loss. That's it, your wonderful physique and your beliefs are irrelevant. Of course uneducated twats will try to argue with me because they "look better" and "scientists look like shit". There is nothing to argue with, champ.
MasterDebater.
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Yes. The body has gone without food for at least 8 or more hours and doing cardio means that it potentially burns more bodyfat. Also it ramps the metabolic rate up for the rest of the day.
I don't have the science behind it but I completely agree that cardio keeps burning calories after the run which contradicts some research. If a pound of fat takes 3500 calories to get rid of many times the amount of cardio I do will not account for the weight I lost. Yes, I'm taking into account dehydration. I ran a hard 5 miles yesterday and it does ramp up your metabolism for fat burning.
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Personally speaking i do not like early morning cardio. I prefer to workout and do cardio later in the Day when my Body is "Warmed" up. It is said that if you do cardio direct after weight Training you can achieve a good effect... however i think itīs more important to just DO it rather than when. Also the Intensity and Duration Come into Play. many factors.
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Cardio exercise (above a certain minimum intensity, probably) does indeed "rev up your metabolism" oh brother for some hours afterwards but the increase is pretty small bordering on negligible.
Whether or not you are fasted at the time makes even less of a difference.
Cardio does suppress your appetite (immediately afterwards, anyway) so maybe there are things there "to consider".
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Personally speaking i do not like early morning cardio. I prefer to workout and do cardio later in the Day when my Body is "Warmed" up. It is said that if you do cardio direct after weight Training you can achieve a good effect... however i think itīs more important to just DO it rather than when. Also the Intensity and Duration Come into Play. many factors.
So you like to lift weights when you are not warmed up as opposed to doing cardio?
Each to their own I suppose.
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No it does not, it's been proven by science you dumb whore.
Who the fuck are you? You cock sucker
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If you feel you must eat before training or cardio,do not eat carbs.
Tip of the day. ;)
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So you like to lift weights when you are not warmed up as opposed to doing cardio?
Each to their own I suppose.
Have you seen his pics?
I would not take his advices.
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Who the fuck are you? You cock sucker
haha... holy shit ;D
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So you like to lift weights when you are not warmed up as opposed to doing cardio?
Each to their own I suppose.
what i mean is i like to Train later in the Day after my Body has been moving around in Daily activities. getting up early in the morning and Training i do not like. It takes much longer to warm up. However regardless i still do a short warm up. More i donīt do because of Training later in the Day. you know what i mean ? also a lot of People talk of a similar effect doing cardio direct after weight Training(Fat Burning)like Fasted cardio. you have misinterpreted what i wrote.
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The best thing to do IMO is Cardio in the early morning (regardless of whether or not it's more effective) and weights later in the day.
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haha... holy shit ;D
Cock sucker called me names first. ;D
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The best thing to do IMO is Cardio in the early morning (regardless of whether or not it's more effective) and weights later in the day.
i agree weight Training is much better later. your Joints, ligaments, tendons..have been warmed up in your Daily activities. The muscles are stretched to a degree too. Bill Pearl and a few other Bodybuilders worked out early to fit in the rest of their Day. not for me. i work in a Gym and can Train any time i feel like it and itīs 2 mins away walking ;)
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i agree weight Training is much better later. your Joints, ligaments, tendons..have been warmed up in your Daily activities. The muscles are stretched to a degree too. Bill Pearl and a few other Bodybuilders worked out early to fit in the rest of their Day. not for me. i work in a Gym and can Train any time i feel like it and itīs 2 mins away walking ;)
I use to work in a gym, I miss those days. :(
Only thing I don't miss is changing the trash in the ladies room. The mens locker room smelled 10x better.
I also use to get absulutly fucking furious at people who didn't re-rack their weights.
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I am getting good results doing my cardio straight after weights.
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I know calories used meters on treadmills are not completely accurate but this is why I say there is an after burn to cardio. I'm not alone in my beliefs. A pound of muscle is 600 calories and a pound of fat is 3500. Many times when I have done cardio after not using it for awhile the amount of weight that comes off can't be accounted for by using calories burned so there has to be an increase in metabolism and fat burning after the activity.
So let's say I used 400 calories a day running on a treadmill for 5 days a week. That is 8000 calories used for the month. It should account in a perfect stable mathematical formula of 2.2 pounds of fat lost. What happens is that I will lose 10 pounds of fat using hydrostatic weighing. How did that 400 calories a day account for the weight loss? There has to be an increase in calories used after the cardio activity which contradicts a lot of old research.
On a side note one of Arnold's secret weapons to getting ripped was secretly running with Roger Callard back in the day.
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I know calories used meters on treadmills are not completely accurate but this is why I say there is an after burn to cardio. I'm not alone in my beliefs. A pound of muscle is 600 calories and a pound of fat is 3500. Many times when I have done cardio after not using it for awhile the amount of weight that comes off can't be accounted for by using calories burned so there has to be an increase in metabolism and fat burning after the activity.
So let's say I used 400 calories a day running on a treadmill for 5 days a week. That is 8000 calories used for the month. It should account in a perfect stable mathematical formula of 2.2 pounds of fat lost. What happens is that I will lose 10 pounds of fat using hydrostatic weighing. How did that 400 calories a day account for the weight loss? There has to be an increase in calories used after the cardio activity which contradicts a lot of old research.
On a side note one of Arnold's secret weapons to getting ripped was secretly running with Roger Callard back in the day.
Intelligent post Rich as always. me i think itīs regular Training which Counts. With regular weight Training and cardio emulsification of fat is more efficient.
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The best thing to do IMO is Cardio in the early morning (regardless of whether or not it's more effective) and weights later in the day.
There is legit data suggesting that cardio after weight training can effect gains (mildly). This is also probably more relevant to a natural athlete. In any case, it lends credibility to the idea that splitting them probably is optimal. But not because doing cardio in the morning makes you lose more fat. ;)
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I can run and then lift, no way in hell can I lift and the run.
Do more exercise, eat less - it all works out.
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I can run and then lift, no way in hell can I lift and the run.
Do more exercise, eat less - it all works out.
Depends on what you are Training. Train legs then running is of course hard. Train upper Body then sure you can run before it. Depends what you call intensive. Walking on a treadmill is for me for example not really cardio.. but then again how much weight are you moving ...etc...etc....
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I can run and then lift, no way in hell can I lift and the run.
Do more exercise, eat less - it all works out.
or eat more and be able to run and lift fasted.
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What Mawse said about OCD rituals is correct. Whatever helps you stick to a routine.
It's unlikely it makes a difference in the end.
I remember hearing one old-school euro "legend" competitor preach about the importance of eating bananas before cardio. :D