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http://news.yahoo.com/online-rants-rightwing-extremism-fuel-fears-for-us-cops-225012920.html
There's a deep concern that there has been a measurable increase in violence against police officers, especially with firearms,” said Rich Roberts, spokesman for the International Union of Police Associations. The anti-police movement “seems to feed off each other online,” he said.
The FBI has increased warnings about possible threats to law enforcement, multiple police sources told Yahoo News. The bureau declined to confirm any change.
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People are just getting fed up with the out of control police brutality . That's what happens . People going to start retaliating!
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Total non-story....just the Left trying to fan tensions and scrambling to somehow blame everything on 'right wing extremists' ::)
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Sounds like the police are gearing up for more mass shootings of civilians going about their business, just getting in early with some justifications and rationalizations for a future increasing of their already extreme brutality.
Maybe they should try policing in Mexico before they start bitching like the insecure bitches they are.
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Slunds like thwyre setting the stage for the civilian/police power struggle that aj's been predicting.
I wonder when they forgot that their job is to serve and protect the public, not to view themselves as warriors going after bad guys... you want to be a warrior go join the military, not the police.
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Total non-story....just the Left trying to fan tensions and scrambling to somehow blame everything on 'right wing extremists' ::)
Bingo.
There is always going to be some nuts out there doing crazy shit. That doesn't change the fact that cops are out of of control these days looking for any excuse to taze you, tackle you and beat you down for "resisting". Their reaction to this is to try and keep you from being able to record the beatings. This whole thing is just another symptom of our country sliding down the shitter.
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It's we who should fear the police.
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Obviously I don't think "cops are out of control" and I don't think this fuels fear in cops of being ambushed. It's always a concern but that's the nature of the job. There are always going to be some morons running around hating cops.
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Obviously I don't think "cops are out of control" and I don't think this fuels fear in cops of being ambushed. It's always a concern but that's the nature of the job. There are always going to be some morons running around hating cops.
Its getting bad man. I know youre a cop so youre on the other side but public opinion is quickly turning to believing most police departments are getting out of control.
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Its getting bad man. I know youre a cop so youre on the other side but public opinion is quickly turning to believing most police departments are getting out of control.
Most people believe either the Democratic or Republican party has their best interest at heart. Most believe a supernatural being watches over them. Obviously some people will believe anything if you show it in TMZ or CNN. Again, I'm not saying there are not bad cops out there. I'm not saying that somewhere in America today, some cop won't be video taped doing something stupid or worse, criminally violent. What I'm saying (My opinion) is that cops today are overall much better than cops 40 yrs ago when it comes to use of force. The difference is obviously the fact today, if police aren't recording themselves via their in car camera, someone else is. There are literally thousands of police contacts daily with citizens that go very well, as they should. Great calls made under the worst of circumstances is the norm. What we get to watch are the very small percentage that screw up. I agree there shouldn't be ANY of those and certainly work towards that goal, but the reality is much different than peoples perceptions in this case. I get upset as well when I watch the video of the cop using excessive force. They need to be fired, or if the incident warrants it, fired and charged with a crime. But I realize that both statistically and from my personal experience, that behavior is the exception.
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The article said that people posting about violence were talked to by agents of some kind. Can you imagine getting a knock on your door and there's some dickhead puffing out his chest saying " I'd like to talk to you about your comments on an Internet website."
Hahahahaha.....
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The article said that people posting about violence were talked to by agents of some kind. Can you imagine getting a knock on your door and there's some dickhead puffing out his chest saying " I'd like to talk to you about your comments on an Internet website."
Hahahahaha.....
great post
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Most people believe either the Democratic or Republican party has their best interest at heart. Most believe a supernatural being watches over them. Obviously some people will believe anything if you show it in TMZ or CNN. Again, I'm not saying there are not bad cops out there. I'm not saying that somewhere in America today, some cop won't be video taped doing something stupid or worse, criminally violent. What I'm saying (My opinion) is that cops today are overall much better than cops 40 yrs ago when it comes to use of force. The difference is obviously the fact today, if police aren't recording themselves via their in car camera, someone else is. There are literally thousands of police contacts daily with citizens that go very well, as they should. Great calls made under the worst of circumstances is the norm. What we get to watch are the very small percentage that screw up. I agree there shouldn't be ANY of those and certainly work towards that goal, but the reality is much different than peoples perceptions in this case. I get upset as well when I watch the video of the cop using excessive force. They need to be fired, or if the incident warrants it, fired and charged with a crime. But I realize that both statistically and from my personal experience, that behavior is the exception.
I think there's some definite truth here.
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Police are no longer civil servant
its now a business, just like target, mcdonalds, gifted nutrition , they answer to nobody.
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Most people believe either the Democratic or Republican party has their best interest at heart. Most believe a supernatural being watches over them. Obviously some people will believe anything if you show it in TMZ or CNN. Again, I'm not saying there are not bad cops out there. I'm not saying that somewhere in America today, some cop won't be video taped doing something stupid or worse, criminally violent. What I'm saying (My opinion) is that cops today are overall much better than cops 40 yrs ago when it comes to use of force. The difference is obviously the fact today, if police aren't recording themselves via their in car camera, someone else is. There are literally thousands of police contacts daily with citizens that go very well, as they should. Great calls made under the worst of circumstances is the norm. What we get to watch are the very small percentage that screw up. I agree there shouldn't be ANY of those and certainly work towards that goal, but the reality is much different than peoples perceptions in this case. I get upset as well when I watch the video of the cop using excessive force. They need to be fired, or if the incident warrants it, fired and charged with a crime. But I realize that both statistically and from my personal experience, that behavior is the exception.
Truth...in this day and age virtually everything is recorded somehow
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Most people believe either the Democratic or Republican party has their best interest at heart. Most believe a supernatural being watches over them. Obviously some people will believe anything if you show it in TMZ or CNN. Again, I'm not saying there are not bad cops out there. I'm not saying that somewhere in America today, some cop won't be video taped doing something stupid or worse, criminally violent. What I'm saying (My opinion) is that cops today are overall much better than cops 40 yrs ago when it comes to use of force. The difference is obviously the fact today, if police aren't recording themselves via their in car camera, someone else is. There are literally thousands of police contacts daily with citizens that go very well, as they should. Great calls made under the worst of circumstances is the norm. What we get to watch are the very small percentage that screw up. I agree there shouldn't be ANY of those and certainly work towards that goal, but the reality is much different than peoples perceptions in this case. I get upset as well when I watch the video of the cop using excessive force. They need to be fired, or if the incident warrants it, fired and charged with a crime. But I realize that both statistically and from my personal experience, that behavior is the exception.
Good post.
Only problem is The bully Boy police are seldom fired or charged,
And that is a major Problem To us the public.
Plus these scum police know the chances of them being accountable is very slim.
Police routinely Lie, fabricate evidence, frame people, beat people, etc and get away
with it. They retire on full pension or are moved to a easy desk job.
They don't suffer the same punishment as the public do, for their crimes.
If the police want to protect each other then What choice does It leave US.
No Trust, No Respect, No Confidence. in Them.
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Last years US cops shot, beat and strangled (KILLED) over 8,000 people. Maybe they finally killed too many people?
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Most people believe either the Democratic or Republican party has their best interest at heart. Most believe a supernatural being watches over them. Obviously some people will believe anything if you show it in TMZ or CNN. Again, I'm not saying there are not bad cops out there. I'm not saying that somewhere in America today, some cop won't be video taped doing something stupid or worse, criminally violent. What I'm saying (My opinion) is that cops today are overall much better than cops 40 yrs ago when it comes to use of force. The difference is obviously the fact today, if police aren't recording themselves via their in car camera, someone else is. There are literally thousands of police contacts daily with citizens that go very well, as they should. Great calls made under the worst of circumstances is the norm. What we get to watch are the very small percentage that screw up. I agree there shouldn't be ANY of those and certainly work towards that goal, but the reality is much different than peoples perceptions in this case. I get upset as well when I watch the video of the cop using excessive force. They need to be fired, or if the incident warrants it, fired and charged with a crime. But I realize that both statistically and from my personal experience, that behavior is the exception.
good post. very rare to see a literate example at GB.
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Good post.
Only problem is The bully Boy police are seldom fired or charged,
And that is a major Problem To us the public.
Plus these scum police know the chances of them being accountable is very slim.
Police routinely Lie, fabricate evidence, frame people, beat people, etc and get away
with it. They retire on full pension or are moved to a easy desk job.
They don't suffer the same punishment as the public do, for their crimes.
If the police want protect each other then What choice does It leave US.
No Trust, No Respect, No Confidence. in Them.
I think this is the bottom line.
I agree with Agnostic that the majority of cops are good and go about their business fine, HOWEVER, there has been a very definite shift in the police across the country towards a more militaristic type attitude and the firepower to go with it..
Also there has been a shift with more fuck ups than ever as far as mistreatment of civilians goes, kickong in doors of wrong houses and shooting the owners when they prepare to defend themselves from the unknown and unlawful intrusion...
And its not just the incidents, as pointed out, its about the lack of justice brought upon these officers and them knowing that theyre being held to a different standard than the citizens they police.
If anything they should be held to a HIGHER standard of conduct with harsher punishments, as they're supposed to be setting the example, not the ones dealing out punishment for laws they dont follow themselves.
People wouldn't get so lit up if the officers guilty of committing these atrocities had their lives ruined in the same way a civilian would, but that never seems to happen, and therein lies the problem. Seems like they k ow they can do whatever the fuck they want and get a slap on the wrist.
If they knew theyd go to jail and rot for the rest of their life theyd probably hesitate a little longer before deciding to shoot the old man reaching for his cane as the officers break down his door with automatic weapons and no identification beforehand.
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Cops are selfish Assholes. They think they can do anything they like. People are starting to really hate them.
I hope they get the message and treat civilians with respect. Or shit is going to hit the fan.
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Good post.
Only problem is The bully Boy police are seldom fired or charged,
And that is a major Problem To us the public.
Plus these scum police know the chances of them being accountable is very slim.
Police routinely Lie, fabricate evidence, frame people, beat people, etc and get away
with it. They retire on full pension or are moved to a easy desk job.
They don't suffer the same punishment as the public do, for their crimes.
If the police want to protect each other then What choice does It leave US.
No Trust, No Respect, No Confidence. in Them.
Good Post
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Most people believe either the Democratic or Republican party has their best interest at heart. Most believe a supernatural being watches over them. Obviously some people will believe anything if you show it in TMZ or CNN. Again, I'm not saying there are not bad cops out there. I'm not saying that somewhere in America today, some cop won't be video taped doing something stupid or worse, criminally violent. What I'm saying (My opinion) is that cops today are overall much better than cops 40 yrs ago when it comes to use of force. The difference is obviously the fact today, if police aren't recording themselves via their in car camera, someone else is. There are literally thousands of police contacts daily with citizens that go very well, as they should. Great calls made under the worst of circumstances is the norm. What we get to watch are the very small percentage that screw up. I agree there shouldn't be ANY of those and certainly work towards that goal, but the reality is much different than peoples perceptions in this case. I get upset as well when I watch the video of the cop using excessive force. They need to be fired, or if the incident warrants it, fired and charged with a crime. But I realize that both statistically and from my personal experience, that behavior is the exception.
These would make such boring YouTube viewing, though. Probably why we don't see them.
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Slunds like thwyre setting the stage for the civilian/police power struggle that aj's been predicting.
I wonder when they forgot that their job is to serve and protect the public, not to view themselves as warriors going after bad guys... you want to be a warrior go join the military, not the police.
This has been happening for awhile. You have to take into account the mentality and mental state of the people and the training or lack thereof of them as well. When many are being spit out of the academies as fast as they can, that has consequences. Then, there is the fact that the citizenry are worse---the culture of "I can do what I want, because 'I can'" and add that same mentality to some of the people who join police force as well.
You have a spiralling problem...
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militarizing the police was the only way the elites could get around the 'Posse Comitatus' act.
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HOWEVER, there has been a very definite shift in the police across the country towards a more militaristic type attitude and the firepower to go with it..
Also there has been a shift with more fuck ups than ever as far as mistreatment of civilians goes, kickong in doors of wrong houses and shooting the owners when they prepare to defend themselves from the unknown and unlawful intrusion...
They are being held to a different standard than the citizens they police.
If anything they should be held to a HIGHER standard of conduct with harsher punishments, as they're supposed to be setting the example, not the ones dealing out punishment for laws they dont follow themselves.
If they knew they would go to jail and rot for the rest of their life they may probably hesitate a little longer before deciding to shoot the old man reaching for his cane as the officers break down his door with automatic weapons and no identification beforehand.
Why can we see & know this & Them in charge of the police cannot.
Very clearly double standards or are we considered lesser people
than them.
Lets hope this situation is rectified asap, Before the public en-mass
do it for them.
That is not what i am advocating, only it may be a last resort.
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Most people believe either the Democratic or Republican party has their best interest at heart. Most believe a supernatural being watches over them. Obviously some people will believe anything if you show it in TMZ or CNN. Again, I'm not saying there are not bad cops out there. I'm not saying that somewhere in America today, some cop won't be video taped doing something stupid or worse, criminally violent. What I'm saying (My opinion) is that cops today are overall much better than cops 40 yrs ago when it comes to use of force. The difference is obviously the fact today, if police aren't recording themselves via their in car camera, someone else is. There are literally thousands of police contacts daily with citizens that go very well, as they should. Great calls made under the worst of circumstances is the norm. What we get to watch are the very small percentage that screw up. I agree there shouldn't be ANY of those and certainly work towards that goal, but the reality is much different than peoples perceptions in this case. I get upset as well when I watch the video of the cop using excessive force. They need to be fired, or if the incident warrants it, fired and charged with a crime. But I realize that both statistically and from my personal experience, that behavior is the exception.
What's your view on the militarization of police: the proliferation of swat teams, APCs and no-knock raids on non-violent offenders. The use of federal dollars and military materiel in local policing is obscene.
This is where the perception sea-change is coming from. I am at the point where I believe that a swat team at my door is just here to kill me and I will respond appropriately.
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What's your view on the militarization of police: the proliferation of swat teams, APCs and no-knock raids on non-violent offenders. The use of federal dollars and military materiel in local policing is obscene.
This is where the perception sea-change is coming from. I am at the point where I believe that a swat team at my door is just here to kill me and I will respond appropriately.
Eh. Too dramatic.
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What's your view on the militarization of police: the proliferation of swat teams, APCs and no-knock raids on non-violent offenders. The use of federal dollars and military materiel in local policing is obscene.
This is where the perception sea-change is coming from. I am at the point where I believe that a swat team at my door is just here to kill me and I will respond appropriately.
Thats what bothers me the most.
In the past, only the SWAT teams had military gear to respond to threats that were beyond normal police capability...
Now the regular PD is sporting body armor and full tactical gear with military weapons, performing no knock raids on the wrong houses with what amounts to zero military/tactical training.
What happened to the SWAT (SPECIAL WEAPONS AND TACTICS) teams being the paramilitary force? Why are regular officers sporting military gear and acting like soldiers?
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Most people believe either the Democratic or Republican party has their best interest at heart. Most believe a supernatural being watches over them. Obviously some people will believe anything if you show it in TMZ or CNN. Again, I'm not saying there are not bad cops out there. I'm not saying that somewhere in America today, some cop won't be video taped doing something stupid or worse, criminally violent. What I'm saying (My opinion) is that cops today are overall much better than cops 40 yrs ago when it comes to use of force. The difference is obviously the fact today, if police aren't recording themselves via their in car camera, someone else is. There are literally thousands of police contacts daily with citizens that go very well, as they should. Great calls made under the worst of circumstances is the norm. What we get to watch are the very small percentage that screw up. I agree there shouldn't be ANY of those and certainly work towards that goal, but the reality is much different than peoples perceptions in this case. I get upset as well when I watch the video of the cop using excessive force. They need to be fired, or if the incident warrants it, fired and charged with a crime. But I realize that both statistically and from my personal experience, that behavior is the exception.
Agree.
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Here in New York City, the NYPD has taken things to an extreme.
For decades, the NYPD would always use the Internal Affairs division in order to rectify problems within the force. Due to the most recent (last 2 years) incidents, the Mayor's office has put together a separate task force that is here to police the police. They can no longer depend on internal affairs, because they've found that internal affairs simply brushes things under the rug while merely handing out a few 2-3 week suspensions at a time, but never makes as big of an issue as civilians would expect.
Up to this date, I've never had any problems with the NYPD. I've been treated well by close friends that are police officers and received various perks (mini-shield that identifies me as a family member to NYPD Detective and various PBA cards stemming from everything of that of a captain to officers).
All this taken into consideration, I've seen a large number of police brutality incidents over the course of the last 10 years. Sadly, 100% of the time it involves inner city African American males.
Absolute power corrupts absolutely...
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This has been happening for awhile.
You have to take into account the mentality and mental state of the people who are joining the police service and the training or lack there of as well.
When many are being spit out of the academies as fast as they can, that has consequences. Then, there is the fact that the citizenry are also at fault---the culture of "I can do what I want, because 'I can'" and add that same mentality to some of the people who join police force as well.
You have a spiralling problem...
Yes very true.
The police service does have a duty of care,
And they are meant to serve and protect the public.
Although some of the public may not necessarily
deserve it.
The police are in a position of trust & and to some
extent privilege so their behaviour should also
reflect this, And consequently the punishment if
they abuse their position.
And this is clearly not Happening.
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How would you feel if a cop threw a flash bang grenade in your 2 year olds crib?
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Here in New York City, the NYPD has taken things to an extreme.
For decades, the NYPD would always use the Internal Affairs division in order to rectify problems within the force. Due to the most recent (last 2 years) incidents, the Mayor's office has put together a separate task force that is here to police the police. They can no longer depend on internal affairs, because they've found that internal affairs simply brushes things under the rug while merely handing out a few 2-3 week suspensions at a time, but never makes as big of an issue as civilians would expect.
Up to this date, I've never had any problems with the NYPD. I've been treated well by close friends that are police officers and received various perks (mini-shield that identifies me as a family member to NYPD Detective and various PBA cards stemming from everything of that of a captain to officers).
All this taken into consideration, I've seen a large number of police brutality incidents over the course of the last 10 years. Sadly, 100% of the time it involves inner city African American males.
Absolute power corrupts absolutely...
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Sad, sure. Brutality is always unacceptable. The black thing, though, isn't that much pretty much what we've seen on Cops for the last 25 years? Without the brutality, of course. Another case of facts being racist, perhaps?
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Did you see that hitch whose husband killed the cop in new jersey? She said he should've killed more of them. You watch TV and see an animal like that and you know we still need cops.
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lol
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militarizing the police was the only way the elites could get around the 'Posse Comitatus' act.
QFT... exactly right..
problem is nobody seems to care... oh.. they will.... soon enough...
wake the fck up sheeple
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People are just getting fed up with the out of control police brutality . That's what happens . People going to start retaliating!
Fawk this is going to escalate quickly and not end well.
But one thing I don't get is why police are even used anymore , they should (and probably will) quit fucking around and bring in the military to do policing.
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Fawk this is going to escalate quickly and not end well.
But one thing I don't get is why police are even used anymore , they should (and probably will) quit fucking around and bring in the military to do policing.
You're right. They are not needed.
The military's first act taking over should be going to each police station and locking it up with all employees inside. Crime against society would immediately drop dramatically with each town's most hardened criminals locked away.
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You're right. They are not needed.
The military's first act taking over should be going to each police station and locking it up with all employees inside. Crime against society would immediately drop dramatically with each town's most hardened criminals locked away.
Lol completely fuckin agree man.
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Good post.
Only problem is The bully Boy police are seldom fired or charged,
And that is a major Problem To us the public.
Plus these scum police know the chances of them being accountable is very slim.
Police routinely Lie, fabricate evidence, frame people, beat people, etc and get away
with it. They retire on full pension or are moved to a easy desk job.
They don't suffer the same punishment as the public do, for their crimes.
If the police want to protect each other then What choice does It leave US.
No Trust, No Respect, No Confidence. in Them.
I appreciate that's your opinion. I think you're way off base. We can agree to disagree. But let me respond in like manner to perhaps illustrate how your post looks to me;
The only problem is, most citizens are guilty. They lie, cheat, steal and when they get caught they whine about consequences. They want the protection of the police, they want police to enforce the laws but only for other people, not them. They hate being told no when they want to do something illegal and so they cry and point fingers at the cops because even as children, they resented their parents, teachers, anyone in authority and view the police as the people telling them they can't do whatever they want.
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I think this is the bottom line.
I agree with Agnostic that the majority of cops are good and go about their business fine, HOWEVER, there has been a very definite shift in the police across the country towards a more militaristic type attitude and the firepower to go with it..
Also there has been a shift with more fuck ups than ever as far as mistreatment of civilians goes, kickong in doors of wrong houses and shooting the owners when they prepare to defend themselves from the unknown and unlawful intrusion...
And its not just the incidents, as pointed out, its about the lack of justice brought upon these officers and them knowing that theyre being held to a different standard than the citizens they police.
If anything they should be held to a HIGHER standard of conduct with harsher punishments, as they're supposed to be setting the example, not the ones dealing out punishment for laws they dont follow themselves.
People wouldn't get so lit up if the officers guilty of committing these atrocities had their lives ruined in the same way a civilian would, but that never seems to happen, and therein lies the problem. Seems like they k ow they can do whatever the fuck they want and get a slap on the wrist.
If they knew theyd go to jail and rot for the rest of their life theyd probably hesitate a little longer before deciding to shoot the old man reaching for his cane as the officers break down his door with automatic weapons and no identification beforehand.
I agree with your overall point of accountability. I disagree with the idea of the increase in fuck ups. Here I am defending cops by saying "Well they were worse years ago" which is a pretty lame defense I'll admit. But I believe we have improved from 65 till now with training education and overall professionalism. I've said it before, it is worth repeating, the large majority of Internal Affairs cases are generated internally rather than externally. Meaning cops are reporting cops at a higher rate than citizens. You absolutely did not have that ratio even 20 yrs ago.
Holding officers to a higher standard- I agree. We are supposed to be the good guys. Most are. In general, there are two kinds of screw ups... Intentional and unintentional. (there are more catagories but those are the main ones). When a cop does something he knows is wrong, is against policy, against the law and immoral then I have no empathy for them and they should get what they deserve, depending on the act. From Written Reprimands to termination and charges filed. Those are the easy calls. What we see most of the time are unintentional ones. The officer wants to do the right thing, but makes a bad decision and the outcome is negative. The courts have held that policing in the best of situations is a tough job. We are compelled to confront people in sometimes the worst of situations. We are human and sometimes the decisions made with little time to analyze are in hind sight the wrong decisions. IF officers were hammered for every wrong decisions they make we would have no officers making any decisions for fear the outcome, most times of which they have little control of, would be negative. So I understand the systems reluctance to do that.
As I write this a hundred things pop in my mind and I am tempted to rabbit trail into other issues as I have been in L.E. for 30 yrs and have seen first hand the evolution of my own department over the last 21 years. I think social media and smart phones have given the impression abuse has increased when it has decreased. Having said that, I agree there is still work to be done in holding officers accountable for their actions. We recently had an incident where one of our detectives was at a bank that had been robbed that morning. the manager advised the Detective that a subject had just tried to cash a check with a ID that belonged to another customer he knew. When the Detective questioned the subject the subject took off running. The Detective gave chase and when he caught up with the guy a struggle ensued and the Detectives gun went off inadvertently striking the subject in the back of the head killing him. An investigation took place and he resigned under investigation. He was recently indicted by a Grand Jury and it will go to trial. His actions, while his intent was good, were viewed by Grand Jury as possibly negligent enough to warrant further scrutiny at trial. I don't think the indictment made Youtube and I didn't read much about it on social media but that tends to be the way things go.
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http://news.yahoo.com/online-rants-rightwing-extremism-fuel-fears-for-us-cops-225012920.html
There's a deep concern that there has been a measurable increase in violence against police officers, especially with firearms,” said Rich Roberts, spokesman for the International Union of Police Associations. The anti-police movement “seems to feed off each other online,” he said.
The FBI has increased warnings about possible threats to law enforcement, multiple police sources told Yahoo News. The bureau declined to confirm any change.
I think citizens have much more reason to be concerned considering the high rate of innocent people the police kill.
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I appreciate that's your opinion. I think you're way off base. We can agree to disagree. But let me respond in like manner to perhaps illustrate how your post looks to me;
The only problem is, most citizens are guilty. They lie, cheat, steal and when they get caught they whine about consequences. They want the protection of the police, they want police to enforce the laws but only for other people, not them. They hate being told no when they want to do something illegal and so they cry and point fingers at the cops because even as children, they resented their parents, teachers, anyone in authority and view the police as the people telling them they can't do whatever they want.
I think this is the heart and soul of the problem, right here. "Most citizens ARE guilty", right there youve automaticallu told ue you view most citizens as criminals and then went on to say its because you think they resent your authority.
That is a major issue. Im surealmost ALL ci tizens are guilty of breaking minor laws everyday, just as im sure almost every police officer breaks minor laws and rules everday. That doesnt make them guilty or criminals, it makes them human.
Looking at citizens like theyre mostly guilty is what makes them resent you. It sets you apart from them and you cease being protectors and public servants and automatically become the asshole whos just trying to bust people to make his precinct some cash.
Yes, most citizens are dumbass hypocrites, but you signed up for the thankless job of protecting them, and thats what police seem to forget. Its your Outlook and attitude as an officer that defines you, that causes people to like the police or hate them.
You look at them like theyre probably all bad guys and they're going to look right back at you like YOURE the bad guy, because you just made yourself the antagonist and enemy of a person who, statistically speaking, has done nothing worthy of your suspicion.
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Everyone in this thread is in agreement, that's pretty rare. 8)
Time for Sheriffs across the country to take over policing. :D
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This has been happening for awhile. You have to take into account the mentality and mental state of the people and the training or lack thereof of them as well. When many are being spit out of the academies as fast as they can, that has consequences. Then, there is the fact that the citizenry are worse---the culture of "I can do what I want, because 'I can'" and add that same mentality to some of the people who join police force as well.
You have a spiralling problem...
I've mentioned the book Corruption of the Noble Cause before. I read it and the author, thought I don't agree with his position on everything, I think does a good job of painting how something like Rampart can and did happen. 99% of the things cops do wrong aren't about taking bribes or illegal activities but grew from a warped sense of the noble cause. Catch the bad guy, and if you have to fudge a little to do it, it's all for the greater good. The public wants us to get the criminals off the street. Cops want to get the criminals off the street. The corruption starts in the first few years of their career when the seasoned officers teach the rookies how to fudge just a little to make sure the bad guy does time. Courts and the system these days are weighed for the bad guy, or at least the perception exists when the same officer is putting the same burglar away every 3 months. They spend so much time re-arresting the same 20% of the population they figure to even it out a bit. Then it snow balls into what you see on CNN. Then of course there are the thugs in uniform that were going to be abusive A holes no matter what. Unfortunately we hire from the population and even with the best efforts of finding the best people, a psycho gets through. I am optimistic that the scrutiny that exists today will be positive in the end by requiring departments who don't screen much at all, and don't train their officers properly to change their ways.
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I appreciate that's your opinion. I think you're way off base. We can agree to disagree. But let me respond in like manner to perhaps illustrate how your post looks to me;
The only problem is, most citizens are guilty. They lie, cheat, steal and when they get caught they whine about consequences. They want the protection of the police, they want police to enforce the laws but only for other people, not them. They hate being told no when they want to do something illegal and so they cry and point fingers at the cops because even as children, they resented their parents, teachers, anyone in authority and view the police as the people telling them they can't do whatever they want.
Excellent post.
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What's your view on the militarization of police: the proliferation of swat teams, APCs and no-knock raids on non-violent offenders. The use of federal dollars and military materiel in local policing is obscene.
This is where the perception sea-change is coming from. I am at the point where I believe that a swat team at my door is just here to kill me and I will respond appropriately.
As far as federal dollars and military equipment. With the war winding down there are massive amounts of military equipment that will be moth balled. Most departments get this equipment free, since tax payers have already paid for it. I'm of the mindset that if there is equipment out there available to the police that will make them safer to do their jobs, then by all means use it. Of course that is within reason. 50 cals and grenade launchers in a residential enviornment is ridiculous but armored vehicles that provide protection to swat teams that have to get close to an armed subject, it's stupid not to use it. I realize there is a danger of overkill and perception to the public is important. But I want the officers to be as safe as possible to do their jobs.
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Thats what bothers me the most.
In the past, only the SWAT teams had military gear to respond to threats that were beyond normal police capability...
Now the regular PD is sporting body armor and full tactical gear with military weapons, performing no knock raids on the wrong houses with what amounts to zero military/tactical training.
What happened to the SWAT (SPECIAL WEAPONS AND TACTICS) teams being the paramilitary force? Why are regular officers sporting military gear and acting like soldiers?
I can't speak for every department but in Austin with a force of about 1800 officers and a city with over a million folks counting the suburbs we don't have regular officers geared up. All officers performing search warrants are tactically trained on dynamic entry. I understand the reasoning behind no knock entry. I would never make the call that officers have to announce their presence in every case. However, before a no knock entry is done, they better be 100% sure that is the right address and they have a legitimate reason for doing it. In the event entry is made at the wrong address due to negligence on their part, regardless of the outcome, I would advocate termination. If the outcome was injury to an innocent party, then charges.
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I can't speak for every department but in Austin with a force of about 1800 officers and a city with over a million folks counting the suburbs we don't have regular officers geared up. All officers performing search warrants are tactically trained on dynamic entry. I understand the reasoning behind no knock entry. I would never make the call that officers have to announce their presence in every case. However, before a no knock entry is done, they better be 100% sure that is the right address and they have a legitimate reason for doing it. In the event entry is made at the wrong address due to negligence on their part, regardless of the outcome, I would advocate termination. If the outcome was injury to an innocent party, then charges.
Some citizen was just recently acquitted of killing an officer in a no knock entry at the wrong house. Can't remember where, read it the other day.
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I think this is the heart and soul of the problem, right here. "Most citizens ARE guilty", right there youve automaticallu told ue you view most citizens as criminals and then went on to say its because you think they resent your authority.
That is a major issue. Im surealmost ALL ci tizens are guilty of breaking minor laws everyday, just as im sure almost every police officer breaks minor laws and rules everday. That doesnt make them guilty or criminals, it makes them human.
Looking at citizens like theyre mostly guilty is what makes them resent you. It sets you apart from them and you cease being protectors and public servants and automatically become the asshole whos just trying to bust people to make his precinct some cash.
Yes, most citizens are dumbass hypocrites, but you signed up for the thankless job of protecting them, and thats what police seem to forget. Its your Outlook and attitude as an officer that defines you, that causes people to like the police or hate them.
You look at them like theyre probably all bad guys and they're going to look right back at you like YOURE the bad guy, because you just made yourself the antagonist and enemy of a person who, statistically speaking, has done nothing worthy of your suspicion.
My post was a reverse/parody of his post. Those are not my opinions
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how many of the people attacking the police in this thread have been subject to police brutality
its the most thankless job in the world
everyone is an armchair expert and has an opinion on how to do the job better
everyone wants the police to do nothing except when they are the victim and they expect the opposite
just as an example
I had a guy that attacked me with a samurai sword it was sheer luck I wasn't killed
when I overpowered him a crowd gathered and started giving me shit
no one helped
you get the police force you deserve
generation nothing deserves fuck all
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Some citizen was just recently acquitted of killing an officer in a no knock entry at the wrong house. Can't remember where, read it the other day.
When I go to sleep at night, I know I am not subject to a surprise visit by the cops because I am not engaged in criminal activity. If I were to suddenly be awakened by a crashing door there is a good chance my first thought would not be "Oh hell, it's the cops" and there is a very good chance someone would get shot. In the case mentioned, without knowing all the facts, if the cops made entry into the wrong house and someone died because of it, it shouldn't be the innocent party. It's tragic in any event but that is the risk the police take and in this case, I would agree with the verdict.
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how many of the people attacking the police in this thread have been subject to police brutality
its the most thankless job in the world
everyone is an armchair expert and has an opinion on how to do the job better
everyone wants the police to do nothing except when they are the victim and they expect the opposite
just as an example
I had a guy that attacked me with a samurai sword it was sheer luck I wasn't killed
when I overpowered him a crowd gathered and started giving me shit
no one helped
you get the police force you deserve
generation nothing deserves fuck all
This is a time when recording a violent act is more important than helping someone. We do seem to have a problem with todays society. But.....I remind myself that the majority of times people do jump in and do the right thing doesn't make it to youtube. In my opinion, the vast majority of citizens are hard working good people whether they speak up in the media or just go about their business..and they deserve a good police force
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I can't speak for every department but in Austin with a force of about 1800 officers and a city with over a million folks counting the suburbs we don't have regular officers geared up. All officers performing search warrants are tactically trained on dynamic entry. I understand the reasoning behind no knock entry. I would never make the call that officers have to announce their presence in every case. However, before a no knock entry is done, they better be 100% sure that is the right address and they have a legitimate reason for doing it. In the event entry is made at the wrong address due to negligence on their part, regardless of the outcome, I would advocate termination. If the outcome was injury to an innocent party, then charges.
I dont think the majority of police are the problem. I think there are a lot of officers though that get an 'us vs them' mentality (as I noted earlier, although I believe your post was more in jest), and this mentality is noted by citizens creating this attitude of resentment and mistrust, especially with the onset of militarization of more and more police departments...
People are starting to view you less and less as protectors of the public, and more as over zealous disciplinarians who are just waiting for you to screw up so that they can punish you, which in turna makes you feel resented and you look at citizens with
mistrust. Its a viscious circle and someone has to be the bigger man; and we both known its not going to be the average citizen. As an officer, its their duty to not let the negativity of the job twist and corrupt their outlook on the citizens theyre supposed to be protecting.
Thats the difference imo, between and officer and a thug with a badge
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Gee. This fear-mongering wouldn't have anything to do with powerful LEO unions, and ever-increasing police budgets would it? ::)
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I dont think the majority of police are the problem. I think there are a lot of officers though that get an 'us vs them' mentality (as I noted earlier, although I believe your post was more in jest), and this mentality is noted by citizens creating this attitude of resentment and mistrust, especially with the onset of militarization of more and more police departments...
People are starting to view you less and less as protectors of the public, and more as over zealous disciplinarians who are just waiting for you to screw up so that they can punish you, which in turna makes you feel resented and you look at citizens with
mistrust. Its a viscious circle and someone has to be the bigger man; and we both known its not going to be the average citizen. As an officer, its their duty to not let the negativity of the job twist and corrupt their outlook on the citizens theyre supposed to be protecting.
Thats the difference imo, between and officer and a thug with a badge
A lot of this is also fueled by the ever-increasing federal and state code which is rapidly making felons out of everyone for just going about their lives. The government at all levels wishes to have a reason to arrest anybody, anytime and they have bloated the penal code to give them that power.
And yes, the automatic assumption that Agnostic made that everybody is a criminal is a direct result of this. Is it any wonder that police feel justified on serving every warrant with a flash-bang and a company-sized invasion?
I am just saying that the public notices and the citizens of our country are able to do something about it.
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My post was a reverse/parody of his post. Those are not my opinions
I know, but I think that satirical opinion is more common amongst officers than you think.
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I've mentioned the book Corruption of the Noble Cause before. I read it and the author, thought I don't agree with his position on everything, I think does a good job of painting how something like Rampart can and did happen. 99% of the things cops do wrong aren't about taking bribes or illegal activities but grew from a warped sense of the noble cause. Catch the bad guy, and if you have to fudge a little to do it, it's all for the greater good. The public wants us to get the criminals off the street. Cops want to get the criminals off the street. The corruption starts in the first few years of their career when the seasoned officers teach the rookies how to fudge just a little to make sure the bad guy does time. Courts and the system these days are weighed for the bad guy, or at least the perception exists when the same officer is putting the same burglar away every 3 months. They spend so much time re-arresting the same 20% of the population they figure to even it out a bit. Then it snow balls into what you see on CNN. Then of course there are the thugs in uniform that were going to be abusive A holes no matter what. Unfortunately we hire from the population and even with the best efforts of finding the best people, a psycho gets through. I am optimistic that the scrutiny that exists today will be positive in the end by requiring departments who don't screen much at all, and don't train their officers properly to change their ways.
You epitomise why police are hated. They are flat out hypocrites, police justify committing crimes (fudging) to lock up so called criminals. Modern Day Police are nothing more than an organised crime syndicate, a highly organised one. Most peoples lives are far more negatively impacted by Police than by so called criminals. You can spin your Police propaganda anyway you like, the public know the truth, and this is why they fear the Police far more than any organised crime gang.
Your cute little story before about everyone being guilty and they just want to do whatever they like because of a dysfunctional upbringing is just you projecting the very reasons people become Police, they resented authority growing up and want to find a way to BECOME that authority so they believe they can place the shoe on the other foot. I have known many policeman, none that I would say were psychologically healthy, some of them outright psychopathic and all of them had strict, dysfunctional upbringings.
The General public can be relied upon for honest feedback, and if they hate and despise the Police, you can bet your bottom dollar there is good reason for it. The Police have earned every skerrick of that hatred and resentment ten times over. But due to the self righteous and we can do no wrong attitude of the Police they never address the Public's complaints as they are blind to see their own failings due to this warped worldview they have, Police Good, everyone else bad.
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I dont think the majority of police are the problem. I think there are a lot of officers though that get an 'us vs them' mentality (as I noted earlier, although I believe your post was more in jest), and this mentality is noted by citizens creating this attitude of resentment and mistrust, especially with the onset of militarization of more and more police departments...
People are starting to view you less and less as protectors of the public, and more as over zealous disciplinarians who are just waiting for you to screw up so that they can punish you, which in turna makes you feel resented and you look at citizens with
mistrust. Its a viscious circle and someone has to be the bigger man; and we both known its not going to be the average citizen. As an officer, its their duty to not let the negativity of the job twist and corrupt their outlook on the citizens theyre supposed to be protecting.
Thats the difference imo, between and officer and a thug with a badge
Good post. I've seen the us vs them mentality and I've avoided it myself and tried to teach new officers better. I've had a partial qoute from Sir Robert Peel, considered a founding father of modern policing in my signature line at work for years. "The police are the public and the public are the police" He goes on to say "the police being the only members of the public who are paid to give full time attention to the duties which are incumbent on every citizen in the interests of community welfare and existence."
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A lot of this is also fueled by the ever-increasing federal and state code which is rapidly making felons out of everyone for just going about their lives. The government at all levels wishes to have a reason to arrest anybody, anytime and they have bloated the penal code to give them that power.
And yes, the automatic assumption that Agnostic made that everybody is a criminal is a direct result of this. Is it any wonder that police feel justified on serving every warrant with a flash-bang and a company-sized invasion?
I am just saying that the public notices and the citizens of our country are able to do something about it.
Why do you believe the government at all levels wishes to have a reason to arrest anybody anytime?
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You epitomise why police are hated. They are flat out hypocrites, police justify committing crimes (fudging) to lock up so called criminals. Modern Day Police are nothing more than an organised crime syndicate, a highly organised one. Most peoples lives are far more negatively impacted by Police than by so called criminals. You can spin your Police propaganda anyway you like, the public know the truth, and this is why they fear the Police far more than any organised crime gang.
Your cute little story before about everyone being guilty and they just want to do whatever they like because of a dysfunctional upbringing is just you projecting the very reasons people become Police, they resented authority growing up and want to find a way to BECOME that authority so they believe they can place the shoe on the other foot. I have known many policeman, none that I would say were pysholigally healthy, some of them outright psychopathic and all of them had strict, dysfunctional upbringings.
The General public can be relied upon for honest feedback, and if they hate and despise the Police, you can bet your bottom dollar there is good reason for it. The Police have earned every skerrick of that hatred and resentment ten times over. But due to the self righteous and we can do no wrong attitude of the Police they never address the Public's complaints as they are blind to see their own failings due to this warped worldview they have, Police Good, everyone else bad.
And you sir, underscore the point there is no talking to some people. They are so ate up with hate they aren't rational. Fortunately they are a very small percentage
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You epitomise why police are hated. They are flat out hypocrites, police justify committing crimes (fudging) to lock up so called criminals. Modern Day Police are nothing more than an organised crime syndicate, a highly organised one. Most peoples lives are far more negatively impacted by Police than by so called criminals. You can spin your Police propaganda anyway you like, the public know the truth, and this is why they fear the Police far more than any organised crime gang.
Your cute little story before about everyone being guilty and they just want to do whatever they like because of a dysfunctional upbringing is just you projecting the very reasons people become Police, they resented authority growing up and want to find a way to BECOME that authority so they believe they can place the shoe on the other foot. I have known many policeman, none that I would say were pysholigally healthy, some of them outright psychopathic and all of them had strict, dysfunctional upbringings.
The General public can be relied upon for honest feedback, and if they hate and despise the Police, you can bet your bottom dollar there is good reason for it. The Police have earned every skerrick of that hatred and resentment ten times over. But due to the self righteous and we can do no wrong attitude of the Police they never address the Public's complaints as they are blind to see their own failings due to this warped worldview they have, Police Good, everyone else bad.
100%
I don't believe there is one cop out there, who's been on the job a while, that hasn't lied, fabricated, used excessive force and violated peoples rights. I have had a couple cops perjure themselves over a stupid speeding ticket. I'm far more worried about the cops than criminals.
I cannot think of a scenario where I would need the police. If anything serious ever happened they show up when it's over and stand around with the rest of the dept.
I could say a lot more, but will refrain for now.
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Why do you believe the government at all levels wishes to have a reason to arrest anybody anytime?
Obedience.
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100%
I don't believe there is one cop out there, who's been on the job a while, that hasn't lied, fabricated, used excessive force and violated peoples rights. I have had a couple cops perjure themselves over a stupid speeding ticket. I'm far more worried about the cops than criminals.
I cannot think of a scenario where I would need the police. If anything serious ever happened they show up when it's over and stand around with the rest of the dept.
I could say a lot more, but will refrain for now.
They are ALLOWED to lie when questioning someone. That's why you DO NOT talk to them.....EVER. Get an attorney.
If you need proof that this is true, watch any time a cop is busted for something. They will clam up and lawyer up quicker than it takes to unbutton the chief's pants come promotion time.
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You epitomise why police are hated. They are flat out hypocrites, police justify committing crimes (fudging) to lock up so called criminals. Modern Day Police are nothing more than an organised crime syndicate, a highly organised one. Most peoples lives are far more negatively impacted by Police than by so called criminals. You can spin your Police propaganda anyway you like, the public know the truth, and this is why they fear the Police far more than any organised crime gang.
Your cute little story before about everyone being guilty and they just want to do whatever they like because of a dysfunctional upbringing is just you projecting the very reasons people become Police, they resented authority growing up and want to find a way to BECOME that authority so they believe they can place the shoe on the other foot. I have known many policeman, none that I would say were pysholigally healthy, some of them outright psychopathic and all of them had strict, dysfunctional upbringings.
The General public can be relied upon for honest feedback, and if they hate and despise the Police, you can bet your bottom dollar there is good reason for it. The Police have earned every skerrick of that hatred and resentment ten times over. But due to the self righteous and we can do no wrong attitude of the Police they never address the Public's complaints as they are blind to see their own failings due to this warped worldview they have, Police Good, everyone else bad.
Very rich. Silliest I've seen in years.
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I appreciate that's your opinion. I think you're way off base. We can agree to disagree. But let me respond in like manner to perhaps illustrate how your post looks to me;
The only problem is, most citizens are guilty. They lie, cheat, steal and when they get caught they whine about consequences. They want the protection of the police, they want police to enforce the laws but only for other people, not them. They hate being told no when they want to do something illegal and so they cry and point fingers at the cops because even as children, they resented their parents, teachers, anyone in authority and view the police as the people telling them they can't do whatever they want.
We most certainly disagree. sir
Let Me tell you how your post looks / reads to Me & Many others.
Lets skirt around the issue that some police are Bang out of order
& blame the Public for being at fault and causing all the problems.
Now let me say first off I believe that the public & the police should have the same level of punishment for the same crime
unless it is an abuse of power or position then it should be greater, as in any job where they are abused.
Also that a scum-bag, bully, murderer is the same no matter what job they do.
I am in no way trying to protect or make excuses for them what is wrong is wrong.
I hope this is clear enough for you too not misconstrue.
please deal with the issues raised by people on here,
maybe even answer these questions
1. why should the police be treated differently to general public. A crime is a crime is it not regardless of who commits it.
The punishment should be the same.
2. Do you truly believe that the general public are not being made criminals by ever increasing laws regarding every aspect
of every day life.
3. Do police ever cover up for each other. police investigating police, really like that is a very unbiased system that is going to work.
do you really have faith in that.
4. police never lie, fabricate evidence, with hold evidence, steal, beat or murder people.
No matter how big or small the percentage in the police service is (as in the general public) they need routing out and dealing with.
not side lining, covering up, or excuses.
I see it as you sir who cannot or will not accept that there is some thing wrong.
Hence you are part of the problem.
You have completely ignored or tried to run rough shod over so many very accurate and good posts.
Not once acknowledging there is a problem.
We all know there are problems & some big problems with some people in society.
only not anyone in the police.
I may be wrong with this one,
Isn't it that you are 8 times more likely to Die in the hands of police,
than you are from a terrorist attack... yet look at the ridiculous level of security at airports.
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Why do you believe the government at all levels wishes to have a reason to arrest anybody anytime?
"Cooperate and you will not be harmed" its as simple as that. Not everybody wants protection from the police , they feel they have to force it upon people which is extortion.
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"Cooperate and you will not be harmed" its as simple as that. Not everybody wants protection from the police , they feel they have to force it upon people which is extortion.
All tax-based entities are extortion to a degree. Shitty schools, lazy road workers, welfare junkies, etc. Most don't really want to pay for that shit either, but we're forced to. Nothing new there.
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All tax-based entities are extortion to a degree. Shitty schools, lazy road workers, welfare junkies, etc. Most don't really want to pay for that shit either, but we're forced to. Nothing new there.
No not news but I good reminder that most of our money we earn goes to things we don't even want LOL.
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We most certainly disagree. sir
Let Me tell you how your post looks / reads to Me & Many others.
Lets skirt around the issue that some police are Bang out of order
& blame the Public for being at fault and causing all the problems.
Now let me say first off I believe that the public & the police should have the same level of punishment for the same crime
unless it is an abuse of power or position then it should be greater, as in any job where they are abused.
Also that a scum-bag, bully, murderer is the same no matter what job they do.
I am in no way trying to protect or make excuses for them what is wrong is wrong.
I hope this is clear enough for you too not misconstrue.
please deal with the issues raised by people on here,
maybe even answer these questions
1. why should the police be treated differently to general public. A crime is a crime is it not regardless of who commits it.
The punishment should be the same. I disagree. If an officer commits a crime he or she should be held to a higher standard and the consequences more severe
2. Do you truly believe that the general public are not being made criminals by ever increasing laws regarding every aspect
of every day life. if you define a speeder as a criminal then yes, and some laws I certainly don't see any need for. But some new laws are created because there are new ways to harm others.
3. Do police ever cover up for each other. police investigating police, really like that is a very unbiased system that is going to work.
do you really have faith in that.speaking for my department, I have faith in it. We have a civilian Police Monitor office that works in conjunction with the I.A. investigators to make sure the citizens complaints are taken seriously. I can't speak for other departments but I believe there have been instances of cover up
4. police never lie, fabricate evidence, with hold evidence, steal, beat or murder people.some have, certainly
No matter how big or small the percentage in the police service is (as in the general public) they need routing out and dealing with.
not side lining, covering up, or excuses.we agree on this
I see it as you sir who cannot or will not accept that there is some thing wrong.
Hence you are part of the problem.I see you haven't been reading my posts if you have concluded that
You have completely ignored or tried to run rough shod over so many very accurate and good posts.
Not once acknowledging there is a problem.
We all know there are problems & some big problems with some people in society.
only not anyone in the police.
I may be wrong with this one,
Isn't it that you are 8 times more likely to Die in the hands of police,
than you are from a terrorist attack... yet look at the ridiculous level of security at airports.
1. why should the police be treated differently to general public. A crime is a crime is it not regardless of who commits it.
The punishment should be the same.
I disagree. If an officer commits a crime he or she should be held to a higher standard and the consequences more severe
2. Do you truly believe that the general public are not being made criminals by ever increasing laws regarding every aspect
of every day life.
if you define a speeder as a criminal then yes, and some laws I certainly don't see any need for. But some new laws are created because there are new ways to harm others.
3. Do police ever cover up for each other. police investigating police, really like that is a very unbiased system that is going to work.
do you really have faith in that.
speaking for my department, I have faith in it. We have a civilian Police Monitor office that works in conjunction with the I.A. investigators to make sure the citizens complaints are taken seriously. I can't speak for other departments but I believe there have been instances of cover up
4. police never lie, fabricate evidence, with hold evidence, steal, beat or murder people.
some have, certainly
No matter how big or small the percentage in the police service is (as in the general public) they need routing out and dealing with.
not side lining, covering up, or excuses.
we agree on this
I see it as you sir who cannot or will not accept that there is some thing wrong.
Hence you are part of the problem.
I see you haven't been reading my posts if you have concluded that
You have completely ignored or tried to run rough shod over so many very accurate and good posts.
Not once acknowledging there is a problem.
Again.. you apparently haven't read what I have written
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1. why should the police be treated differently to general public. A crime is a crime is it not regardless of who commits it.
The punishment should be the same.
I disagree. If an officer commits a crime he or she should be held to a higher standard and the consequences more severe
2. Do you truly believe that the general public are not being made criminals by ever increasing laws regarding every aspect
of every day life.
if you define a speeder as a criminal then yes, and some laws I certainly don't see any need for. But some new laws are created because there are new ways to harm others.
3. Do police ever cover up for each other. police investigating police, really like that is a very unbiased system that is going to work.
do you really have faith in that.
speaking for my department, I have faith in it. We have a civilian Police Monitor office that works in conjunction with the I.A. investigators to make sure the citizens complaints are taken seriously. I can't speak for other departments but I believe there have been instances of cover up
4. police never lie, fabricate evidence, with hold evidence, steal, beat or murder people.
some have, certainly
No matter how big or small the percentage in the police service is (as in the general public) they need routing out and dealing with.
not side lining, covering up, or excuses.
we agree on this
I see it as you sir who cannot or will not accept that there is some thing wrong.
Hence you are part of the problem.
I see you haven't been reading my posts if you have concluded that
You have completely ignored or tried to run rough shod over so many very accurate and good posts.
Not once acknowledging there is a problem.
Again.. you apparently haven't read what I have written
Absolutely! Being poor/less rich has now been totally institutionalized/pathologized. This will only get worse as the income divide widens, as it will. The police will always side with who pays them, and they will increasingly become more and more a tool for the wealthy to wield. Hey, I get it: enjoy your powers, pensions, and unaccountability, but sell your union LEO bullshit elsewhere.
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Absolutely! Being poor/less rich has now been totally institutionalized/pathologized. This will only get worse as the income divide widens, as it will. The police will always side with who pays them, and they will increasingly become more and more a tool for the wealthy to wield. Hey, I get it: enjoy your powers, pensions, and unaccountability, but sell your union LEO bullshit elsewhere.
You may view it as LEO bullshit and that saddens me a bit, however I will continue to give my opinions and views here. Hope that's ok with you
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You may view it as LEO bullshit and that saddens me a bit, however I will continue to give my opinions and views here. Hope that's ok with you
How could it not. :)
/let's just try to be *kinda* truthful is all.
//lotsa friends in the prison system. but that is a whole, new, ball of wax contention
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1. why should the police be treated differently to general public. A crime is a crime is it not regardless of who commits it.
The punishment should be the same.
I disagree. If an officer commits a crime he or she should be held to a higher standard and the consequences more severe
2. Do you truly believe that the general public are not being made criminals by ever increasing laws regarding every aspect
of every day life.
if you define a speeder as a criminal then yes, and some laws I certainly don't see any need for. But some new laws are created because there are new ways to harm others.
3. Do police ever cover up for each other. police investigating police, really like that is a very unbiased system that is going to work.
do you really have faith in that.
speaking for my department, I have faith in it. We have a civilian Police Monitor office that works in conjunction with the I.A. investigators to make sure the citizens complaints are taken seriously. I can't speak for other departments but I believe there have been instances of cover up
4. police never lie, fabricate evidence, with hold evidence, steal, beat or murder people.
some have, certainly
No matter how big or small the percentage in the police service is (as in the general public) they need routing out and dealing with.
not side lining, covering up, or excuses.
we agree on this
I see it as you sir who cannot or will not accept that there is some thing wrong.
Hence you are part of the problem.
I see you haven't been reading my posts if you have concluded that
You have completely ignored or tried to run rough shod over so many very accurate and good posts.
Not once acknowledging there is a problem.
Again.. you apparently haven't read what I have written
How do you manage to get that....
I have not read or understood your posts.
As you have very begrudgingly had to agree with all my points
although trying all the time to defend & minimise police actions
when they are wrong.
Did you not read OMR post about I.A in New York & how they have
been superseded as they are not trust worthy.
Also no response to my last quote about police caused deaths V terrorist caused deaths.
not surprising really.
I think we can concluded that you have admitted that there are issues with the police service
even if you see them as minor problems & we see them as big problems.
Thank you for your admissions & agreement.
No matter how small or begrudging,
I see that as a step in the right direction.
And yes i am some one who has witnessed & suffered at the hands
of police malpractice.
Thank fully some of them were brought to account.
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Absolutely! Being poor/less rich has now been totally institutionalized/pathologized. This will only get worse as the income divide widens, as it will. The police will always side with who pays them, and they will increasingly become more and more a tool for the wealthy to wield. Hey, I get it: enjoy your powers, pensions, and unaccountability, but sell your union LEO bullshit elsewhere.
QFT
And this is not opinion its just fact.