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Michael Brown funeral:
Mourners urge black Americans to take action
'All of us are required to respond to this,' Rev. Al Sharpton says, pointing to Brown's casket
The Associated Press Posted: Aug 25, 2014 6:38 AM ET Last Updated: Aug 25, 2014 5:27 PM ET
The mourners filled an enormous church to remember Michael Brown — a "gentle giant," aspiring rapper and recent high school graduate on his way to a technical college.
- Michael Brown shooting and Ferguson aftermath timeline: (http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/michael-brown-shooting-and-ferguson-aftermath-timeline-1.2740282)
- The police's military-like response to Missouri riots (http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/michael-brown-shooting-the-police-s-military-like-response-to-missouri-riots-1.2735588)
- How Ferguson botched crowd control of protests (http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/michael-brown-shooting-how-ferguson-botched-crowd-control-of-protests-1.2740948)
But the funeral that unfolded Monday was about much more than the black 18-year-old who lay in the closed casket after being shot to death by a white police officer. The emotional service sought to consecrate Brown's death as another in the long history of the civil rights movement and implored black Americans to change their protest chants into legislation and law.
"Show up at the voting booths. Let your voices be heard, and let everyone know that we have had enough of all of this," said Eric Davis, one of Brown's cousins.
Civil rights leader Rev. Al Sharpton called for a movement to clean up police forces and the communities they serve.
"We're not anti-police. We respect police. But those police that are wrong need to be dealt with just like those in our community that are wrong need to be dealt with," Sharpton said.
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Michael Brown's hat
The hat that Michael Brown was wearing when he was shot by police lies on his casket at his funeral service Monday. (Associated Press)
Two uncles recalled how Brown had once predicted that someday the whole world would know his name.
"He did not know he was offering up a divine prophecy," Bernard Ewing said.
More than 4,500 mourners filled Friendly Temple Missionary Baptist Church in St. Louis for the service, which at times seemed like a cross between a gospel revival and a rock concert. It began with upbeat music punctuated by clapping. Some mourners danced in place.
In a stirring funeral oration, Sharpton challenged the audience to change the factors that led to Brown's shooting, including the heavy arming of police forces while their training fails to prevent a boy lying for hours "bleeding out" in the street.
"Some of us are so heavenly bound that we're no earthly good …. But all of us are required to respond to this," he said, pointing to Michael Brown's casket, "and all of us must solve this."
'Crying for justice'
The crowd included the parents of Trayvon Martin, the unarmed 17-year-old African-American fatally shot by a neighbourhood watch volunteer in Florida, along with a cousin of Emmitt Till, a 14-year-old murdered by several white men while visiting Mississippi in 1955. Till's killing galvanized the civil rights movement.
Also in attendance were several White House aides, the Rev. Jesse Jackson, moviemaker Spike Lee, entertainer Sean Combs and some children of Martin Luther King.
Police Shooting Missouri
Director Spike Lee takes a picture of a black St. Louis Cardinals baseball cap on top of Michael Brown's casket on Monday. (Associated Press)
"We are required to leave here today and change things," Sharpton said. "Michael Brown must be remembered for more than disturbances. He must be remembered for this is when they started changing what was going on. … This is one of those moments ….
"No community in America would tolerate an 18-year-old boy laying in the street 4½ hours, and we're not going to tolerate it either."
The Rev. Charles Ewing, the uncle who delivered the eulogy, said Brown "prophetically spoke his demise." And now his blood is "crying from the ground. Crying for vengeance. Crying for justice."
Poster-size photos of Brown, wearing headphones, were on each side of the casket, which had a St. Louis Cardinals ball cap atop it. Large projection screens showed a photo of him clutching his high school diploma while wearing a cap and gown. Two days after his death, he had been scheduled to start training to become a heating and air conditioning technician.
Sharpton also took the black community to task, saying it should be as upset about black-on-black crime as it is about police violence: "We have to be outraged by our disrespect for each other."
"Blackness," he added, "has never been about being a gangster or a thug."
Money and possessions prestige mean little, he said, "if we can't protect a child walking down the street in Ferguson and protect him and bring justice."
Monday: day of silence
Brown's death fueled nearly two weeks of street protests in the St. Louis suburb of Ferguson. But his father, Michael Brown Sr., asked protesters to observe a "day of silence" Monday to let the family grieve.
"Tomorrow all I want is peace," he told hundreds of people Sunday in St. Louis' largest city park during brief remarks at a festival that promotes peace over violence. "That's all I ask."
In the weeks following the shooting death by police of Michael Brown in Ferguson, Mo., several members of the local and state police force, along with notable civil rights figures and politicians in the United States have appeared in or made comments on the ongoing protests. Here are some of the notable names in the ongoing crisis in Ferguson.
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The request appeared to be honored. At the Ferguson Police Department, where a small but steady group of protesters have stood vigil for two weeks, a handmade sign announced a "break for funeral." On Monday afternoon, the West Florissant Avenue commercial corridor was also devoid of protesters, whose ranks have typically swelled as days turned to nights.
After the service, Corey Thomas, a 34-year-old St. Louis man said the large crowd at the church reflected "that people are tired of being treated like dogs. They're tired of being taken advantage of."
The mourners came to show their support because "it could be any one of us," Thomas said.
Angela Pierre, a machine operator who once lived in Ferguson, said she hopes the funeral helps turn a page and eases tensions. Most important, though, she hopes it provides healing for Brown's family.
"I really wanted to just be here today to pray for the family and pray for peace," said Pierre, 48, who is black. "When all of this dies down, there's still a mother, father and a family who's lost someone. Sometimes a lot of the unrest takes away from that."
'Big Mike' good at fixing things, liked computer games
Brown was unarmed when he was shot Aug. 9 by officer Darren Wilson, who is white. A grand jury is considering evidence in the case, and a federal investigation is also underway.
Police have said a scuffle broke out after Wilson told Brown and a friend to move out of the street and onto a sidewalk. Police said Wilson was pushed into his squad car and physically assaulted. Some witnesses have reported seeing Brown's arms in the air — an act of surrender. An autopsy found Brown was shot at least six times.
Relatives denounced a video released by police, who say it shows Brown snatching cigars from a convenience store just before he was killed. In the video, the person said to be Brown is seen grabbing a clerk by the shirt and forcefully pushing him into a display rack.
Family and friends say Brown was an aspiring rapper with a gentle, joking manner who dubbed himself "Big Mike." He was good at fixing things, liked computer games, the rapper Lil Wayne, Drake, the movie Grown Ups 2, and the TV show Family Guy.
Monday also marked the first day back at school for students in the Ferguson-Florissant School District. Classes had been scheduled to begin Aug. 14 but were postponed because of safety concerns.
"We're ready to move forward," said Marcus Baker, a junior at McCluer South-Berkeley High School. "But we're still going to remember him."
With files from CBC News
© The Associated Press, 2014
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Michael Brown shooting and Ferguson aftermath timeline
CBC News Posted: Aug 19, 2014 3:42 AM ET Last Updated: Aug 19, 2014 4:38 AM ET
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rotesters wander through a smokey haze after the passing of a midnight curfew meant to stem the ongoing demonstrations. Riot police ordered all the protesters to disperse, and many did, but about 100 stood about two blocks away until getting hit by another volley of tear gas. (Lucas Jackson/Reuters)
A timeline of key events following the fatal police shooting of 18-year-old Michael Brown in the St. Louis suburb of Ferguson, Missouri.
Aug. 9: Brown and a companion are confronted by an officer as they walk back to Brown's home from a convenience store. Brown and the officer are involved in some kind of scuffle, followed by gunshots. Brown dies at the scene.
Aug. 10: After a candlelight vigil, people protesting Brown's death smash car windows and carry away armloads of looted goods from stores. In the first of several nights of violence, looters are seen making off with bags of food, toilet paper and alcohol. Some protesters stand atop police cars and taunt officers.
Aug. 11: The FBI opens an investigation into Brown's death, and two men who said they saw the shooting tell reporters that Brown had his hands raised when the officer approached with his weapon and fired repeatedly. That night, police in riot gear fire tear gas and rubber bullets to try to disperse a crowd.
Aug. 12: Ferguson Police Chief Tom Jackson cancels plans to release the name of the officer who shot Brown, citing death threats against the police department and City Hall. The Rev. Al Sharpton and President Barack Obama both plead for calm after two nights of clashes between police and protesters.
Aug. 13: Another night of violence wracks Ferguson, with some people lobbing Molotov cocktails and other objects at police, who respond with smoke bombs and tear gas. Two reporters are detained at a McDonald's. Images of the standoff, showing police using armoured vehicles and pointing assault rifles at the crowds, are widely shared on social media.
Aug. 14: The Missouri Highway Patrol takes control of security in Ferguson, relieving local police of their law-enforcement authority after four days of violence. Within hours, the mood among protesters becomes lighter, even festive. The streets are filled with music, free food and even laughter.
Aug. 15: Police identify the officer who shot Brown as Darren Wilson, a 28-year-old man who had patrolled the St. Louis suburbs for six years. They also release a video purporting to show Brown robbing a convenience store of almost $50 worth of cigars shortly before he was killed. The video draws anger from protesters. After nightfall, officers and the crowds clash again. Some people in the crowd storm into the same convenience store that Brown was accused of robbing and loot it.
Aug. 16: Missouri Gov. Jay Nixon declares a state of emergency and imposes a curfew in Ferguson. The first night of the curfew ends with tear gas and seven arrests, after police in riot gear use armoured vehicles to disperse defiant protesters who refused to leave.
Aug. 17: Attorney General Eric Holder orders a federal medical examiner to perform another autopsy on Brown. The Justice Department cites the "extraordinary circumstances" surrounding the death and a request by Brown's family members. Police use tear gas to clear the street that has been the scene of most protests three hours ahead of the curfew after reports of gunfire, looting and people hurling Molotov cocktails.
Aug 18: Nixon calls the National Guard to Ferguson to help restore order and lifts the curfew imposed two days earlier. A pathologist hired by the family says an independent autopsy determined that Michael Brown was shot at least six times, including twice in the head. A bullet wound to his right arm may indicate his hands were up or his back was turned, but the autopsy team can't be sure without more information, the pathologist said.
Aug. 19: Police fire tear gas at demonstrators.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/michael-brown-shooting-and-ferguson-aftermath-timeline-1.2740282
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Video shows men dressed in camouflage, carrying rifles, riding armoured vehicles around the streets of Ferguson — the small U.S. town that erupted in protests after an unarmed black teen was killed by police over the weekend.
Heavily armed police take up positions near a protest on Tuesday.
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But are they soldiers or police officers? It's hard to tell, and that's part of the problem.
The militarization of state and local police forces — now outfitted with the armoured vehicles, battering rams and flashbang grenades once reserved for troops — is a rising concern in the U.S. and a trend that experts suspect is seeping north of the border.
"We think it's one of the most alarming trends going on in American policing today," said Tim Lynch, director of the Project on Criminal Justice at the Cato Institute, a Washington, D.C.-based think-tank.
The unrest in the St. Louis suburb is just the latest example of how that militarization can play out in city streets, as heavily-equipped officers face down the members of their communities.
For several days since the fatal shooting of Michael Brown, 18, on Saturday, protesters and police have clashed. Vandalism and looting broke out on Sunday after a peaceful vigil. A store was set on fire.
The next night, police responded in full riot gear. The Federal Aviation Administration briefly shut down the airspace above the suburb as a precautionary measure.
Lynch says a more appropriate response to riots would be officers armed with batons and sidearms, not carrying rifles like an M-16 and donning the battle-zone-worthy camouflage clothing that have been seen in Ferguson.
"The police are reacting in a hostile manner, as if they are trying to intimidate the protesters by their military-type tactics," said Lynch. "The police are making a bad situation even worse."
Paul Szoldra, in a piece for Business Insider, asked "Why do these cops need MARPAT camo pants?", referring to the pattern designed for the U.S. Marine Corps, or MARine PATtern. When serving in Afghanistan as a U.S. Marine, Szoldra says they used big trucks and uniforms intended to project an image as occupiers, but asks when did this became OK on domestic soil?
'Neighbourhoods are not war zones'
The precipitous rise in the use of military tactics and equipment in the U.S. is startling.
Where once only a portion of cities had paramilitary units such as SWAT teams, now it's the majority.
Studies by Peter Kraska, a professor and chair of graduate studies in the school of justice studies at Eastern Kentucky University, show that between the mid-1980s and late 1990s, the percentage of cities of 50,000 or more, like St. Louis, with a paramilitary unit almost doubled to 89 per cent.
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Missouri riots
Protests raged for several days in the St. Louis suburb of Ferguson, triggering calls for calm and questions about whether the heavily-armed police presence is exacerbating it. (Mario Anzuoni/Reuters)]/b]
Smaller cities, those serving 25-50,000 people, saw an even greater jump – a quadrupling from 20 per cent to 80 per cent.
"These trends would mean little if these teams were relatively inactive," Kraska wrote in one of his studies in 2007. "This was not the case."
Once local police forces are trained and equipped in the ways of the military, they're keen to use it.
There's been a 1,400 per cent increase in police paramilitary deployments between 1980 and 2000, Kraska found. The majority of the deployments were for drug raids in private homes, not the intended goal of a SWAT team, which is emergency situations like hostage takings and shooter scenarios where the extra weaponry might be required.
A report released two months ago on the militarization of police by the American Civil Liberties Union criticized U.S. policing for becoming "unnecessarily and dangerously militarized."
"Neighbourhoods are not war zones, and our police officers should not be treating us like wartime enemies," said the report.
ACLU examined more than 800 SWAT deployments in 2011-2012 and found that most of those deployments, 79 per cent, were to search homes, largely in drug probes.
Botched raids cost lives, money
In fact, it's the U.S. war on drugs (the phrase itself evokes the battlefield) that led local police forces down the militarized path.
The federal government has not only doled out free or cheap surplus military gear so state and local forces can fight drug crimes, it has also handed out grants to help them buy heavy weaponry.
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Missouri police militarization
Police in camouflage were present in Ferguson, Mo., as crowds gathered Tuesday for a third day of protests. (Scott Olson/Getty Images)
"It was just part of the escalation of the drug war and trying to beef up forces there," said Lynch. "We saw it even before 9/11, and then 9/11 and the wars exacerbated the trend."
Fears of terrorism fuelled even more interest in bulking up local police officers, and the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan provided surplus machinery and equipment that the federal government was keen to sell or clear out of their warehouses.
Some local police chiefs have argued that the heavy equipment was necessary as they faced criminals with increasingly advanced weaponry.
But community members and police forces themselves have both suffered fallout from the militarization of police.
Kraska counted more than 275 botched SWAT raids on private homes., while Radley Balko, author of Rise of the Warrior Cop, said he found more than 50 cases of innocent people who died. ACLU says minorities get disproportionately targeted.
Those mishaps not only fray relations with a community, but can prove costly for small police forces as they face lawsuits or are forced to disband their SWAT teams after coming under increased scrutiny.
As one small example, in early August, the Albuquerque Police Department decided to get rid of its 20,000-kilogram Mine-Resistant Ambush Protected (MRAP) vehicle – the bomb-resistant mode of transport used in Iraq and Afghanistan against insurgents.
The move followed criticism about over-militarization and a fatal police shooting of a homeless man. Still, the force hasn't given up hopes of finding a more civilian-suitable replacement.
Blurred lines between military and police
It's important to distinguish between the military and police, justice experts say, and look at why it matters that the line between the two is blurring.
"The military mission is to find the enemy force and destroy it," said Lynch. "They're not thinking about the constitutional rights of the people on the other side of the battlefield."
By comparison, a police force is expected to use minimal force to bring suspects into the court of law where the dispute can be peacefully resolved.
York University professor Margaret Beare, who studies policing, says it's "the whole notion of working with communities, not against communities" that should prevail.
The Toronto-based professor worries that the militarization of police forces that's been happening in the U.S. over the past couple of decades is bound to creep into Canada.
"We seem to want to, in policing at least, to mimic the toys, the tools, the machinery that is available to police on the other side of the border," said Beare. "It doesn't seem to matter whether our crime situation is comparable at all."
The sweeping measures taken by police officers during the G20 in Toronto four years ago, including the riot gear worn, the kettling tactics employed and the mass arrests conducted, are still the subject of lawsuits wending their way through courts.
The impact, however, can stretch beyond singular events like the G20. Once police forces are armed and trained in military tactics, some fear they tend to default to them.
"It becomes part of a mindset," said Beare. "It is accepted as part of how you go about doing police work."
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/michael-brown-shooting-the-police-s-military-like-response-to-missouri-riots-1.2735588
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ANALYSIS
Michael Brown shooting:
How Ferguson botched crowd control of protests
'Aggressive policing tactics increase aggression on the part of the protesters,' expert says
By Mark Gollom, CBC News Posted: Aug 21, 2014 5:00 AM ET Last Updated: Aug 21, 2014 10:00 AM ET
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Protesters continue to fill the streets every night, throwing Molotov cocktails, rocks and bottles, only to be met by tear gas and flash grenades from police. (St. Louis Post-Dispatch, Christian Gooden/Associated Press)
The inability to quell the nightly violence engulfing the streets of Ferguson is a "great training tool" for officers on how not to manage a volatile protest, says one former police chief who is among a number of security experts slamming the police for their tactics.
"It’s a terrible, terrible situation. So many things have been done wrong," said Charles Drago, a former police chief for Oviedo, Fla., a police instructor and career police officer who specializes in police practices and use of force. "Certainly not the typical standard of care for these types of activities."
"It’s going to be a great training tool for police chiefs in the future. Unfortunately, it’s sad, it really is."
Protesters continue to fill the streets every night, throwing Molotov cocktails rocks and bottles, only to be met by tear gas and flash grenades from police.
The violent protests were sparked by the death of unarmed black Missouri teen Michael Brown, who was shot by a police officer on Aug 9. The 18-year-old's death has brought to light the tense relations between Ferguson's black community and the local police department and has made it that much more difficult to resolve the crisis, law enforcement officials say.
"Obvious to everybody, there's absolutely no relationship between that community and the police department," Drago said. "So right from the get go, day one, there was no way for that community and the police department to resolve this or work through this peacefully."
With relations already frayed, police exacerbated the volatile situation with an overly aggressive response, confronting the protest crowds while garbed in military-like gear, brandishing automatic weapons and guard dogs, and setting the tone for future exchanges between the police and protesters, analysts say.
"What we've seen time and time again is that aggressive policing tactics increase aggression on the part of the protesters," said Tamara Madensen, director of the Crowd Management Research Council in the department of criminal justice at the University of Nevada, Las Vegas.
'It's mind-boggling to think they're even doing that'
"You saw Ferguson come out dressed in riot gear when no violence had actually occurred yet. We know that even potential police use of force, for example visible riot gear, armoured vehicles — these can instigate crowd members especially looking for a reason to engage in violence," she said.
"Here’s people peacefully demonstrating and they're watching them through the scopes of M-16s," said Drago. "It's mind-boggling to think that they're even doing that. The force that they used at the beginning is probably the most damaging."
Norm Stamper, the former police chief of Seattle, who headed the force during the 1999 WTO riots, said the aggressive military tactics used for crowd control was a "huge mistake, one for which they continue to pay the price."
"The early image of snarling German Shepherds on a leash handled by a white police officer approaching black protesters – that’s a horrific image, particularly given our history here in the states," Stamper said.
Meanwhile, deploying tear gas against the crowds has been largely ineffective, Stamper said, and it has done nothing more than provoke protesters.
"It is not working, so why are you doing it? It’s also very provocative, inflames passions," he said. "When people recover from the teary eyes and snotty noses, they’re going to come right back, and that’s what’s been happening. They're coming back with battle wounds."
Retired Lieut.-General Russel Honore, who led Task Force Katrina to restore order in New Orleans following the devastating hurricane, said officers in Ferguson looked like they were responding to a hostage situation as opposed to dealing with a civil disturbance.
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Police Shooting Missouri
Police stand guard on Aug. 18, 2014, in Ferguson, Mo. The Aug. 9 shooting of Michael Brown by a police officer has touched off violent protests in Ferguson, the St. Louis suburb where police have responded with riot gear and tear gas. (Christian Gooden/The Associated Press)
He questioned the overall strategy of the police, saying it looks like they've been making it up as they go along.
"Your strategy can't be: 'We're going to bring the tear gas out, then we're going to bring the stun guns out, then we're going to point machine guns. It's not working."
Law enforcement officials have also suffered from a lack of communication and co-ordination between departments, Drago said, with Missouri State Police and Ferguson police often delivering different messages.
Release of information has been problematic
"There's still no co-ordination in terms of what’s going on in the streets and the message that's being released," Drago said.
The release of information to the public has also been problematic, Drago said.
"They wouldn't release even basic information for the family and the community becomes more distrustful. And then you release bits and pieces that appear to be for the police's own purposes, that further creates more and more issues."
Many critics have praised the move to place Highway Patrol Capt. Ron Johnson, who is black and from the Ferguson community, in charge of policing efforts, which did help defuse the situation temporarily. But Drago said police went too far the other way in pulling back and didn't take the necessary force needed to stop the outside agitators who have hijacked the protests.
"They didn't recognize there was still a criminal element out there that was committing crimes and was going to stir things up and they need to be sure to address those issues quickly."
Shirlissa Pruitt urges protesters on West Florissant Road in Ferguson, Mo., on Aug. 20, 2014, to leave before any more arrests occur. 'I encourage you to go home now in peace. I am not telling to you to leave because we are defeated, but because we are seeking justice for Michael Brown,' she said.
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But Stamper, who has been critical of his own response to the 1999 riots in Seattle, said the true sign of failure of a police force's public safety mission is being forced to deploy the National Guard
"Having the National Guard on the streets of an American city when there's not a flood, not a fire, not a natural disaster, is once again evocative of an earlier time in our country and ugly chapters of our history," said Stamper, who brought in the National Guard to help defuse the Seattle riots.
"Its a very clear sign that you’ve lost it."
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There's a reason you separate military and police.
One fights the enemies of the state,
...the other serves and protects the people.
When the military becomes both,
...then the enemies of the state tend to become the people
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Yawn! next.
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I'm all for holding police accountable,,,,, but this case is retarded.
A monster dude robs a store and then attacks the office breaking his orbital, cop responds with lethal force to a dangerous assault and he's in the wrong?
More bullshit race baiting distracting and marginalizing the real police issues.
Of course 24kt takes the bait %110
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I'm all for holding police accountable,,,,, but this case is retarded.
A monster dude robs a store and then attacks the office breaking his orbital, cop responds with lethal force to a dangerous assault and he's in the wrong?
That narrative has been shown to be demonstrably false. The officer's orbital was not broken.
He wasn't a monster, he was an 18 yr. old boy, ...albeit a rather large 18 year old boy.
It has not yet been ascertained how Wilson received his injuries, or if they were the result of the confrontation. It's possible, he received them trying to get out of his vehicle, and the door bounced back and hit him in the face.
The question no one is even asking is... why did he bother the two boys in the first place?
Since when is walking in the street a crime? Was it even necessary to confront a couple of kids walking in the street? To turn a cruiser around because they want to walk in the roadway, ...or was it merely an example of heavy handed policing.
If a couple of kids don't know any better than to walk on the street, let them get hit by a car. If Brown was as huge and a "monstrous" as to justify unloading 8 bullets into him, getting hit by a car would only total the car. Again I ask, ...was hassling the kid for walking in the street of this small town really necessary?
Additionally, the police had absolutely no knowledge of the robbery at the time of the confrontation.
They only found out about if AFTER Wilson had shot & killed Michael Brown. Police only learned about the presence of convenience store surveillance tape because a store customer alerted them. The owner of the store didn't even bother to call police about the alleged "robbery"
More bullshit race baiting distracting and marginalizing the real police issues.
Of course 24kt takes the bait %110
The only one's taking the "bait" are those who want to keep framing this issue as Black vs. White, as opposed to what it really is about. The more people who see it as a "racial" issue, ...the more "authorities can get away with militarizing the police. It may start off in towns & cities that are predominantly Black, ...but don't you for a minute think it's going to end there. A militarized police force may be coming to a town near you... fairly quickly.
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That narrative has been shown to be demonstrably false. The officer's orbital was not broken.
He wasn't a monster, he was an 18 yr. old boy, ...albeit a rather large 18 year old boy.
It has not yet been ascertained how Wilson received his injuries, or if they were the result of the confrontation. It's possible, he received them trying to get out of his vehicle, and the door bounced back and hit him in the face.
The question no one is even asking is... why did he bother the two boys in the first place?
Since when is walking in the street a crime? Was it even necessary to confront a couple of kids walking in the street? To turn a cruiser around because they want to walk in the roadway, ...or was it merely an example of heavy handed policing.
If a couple of kids don't know any better than to walk on the street, let them get hit by a car. If Brown was as huge and a "monstrous" as to justify unloading 8 bullets into him, getting hit by a car would only total the car. Again I ask, ...was hassling the kid for walking in the street of this small town really necessary?
Additionally, the police had absolutely no knowledge of the robbery at the time of the confrontation.
They only found out about if AFTER Wilson had shot & killed Michael Brown. Police only learned about the presence of convenience store surveillance tape because a store customer alerted them. The owner of the store didn't even bother to call police about the alleged "robbery"
The only one's taking the "bait" are those who want to keep framing this issue as Black vs. White, as opposed to what it really is about. The more people who see it as a "racial" issue, ...the more "authorities can get away with militarizing the police. It may start off in towns & cities that are predominantly Black, ...but don't you for a minute think it's going to end there. A militarized police force may be coming to a town near you... fairly quickly.
Really. Who said it wasn't broken? Be specific.
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Really. Who said it wasn't broken? Be specific.
Sorry Coach, I'm not going to pour over the countless articles I've read on it, or news reports.
Try googling. Wilson's injuries have been greatly and egregiously exaggerated.
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Next time a criminal of color attacks a police officer and is shot, organize your friends on social media for a "peaceful" vigil/ protest at the local PC Richards.
To avenge his death, help yourself to anything not tied down. Also, apply the same principal to any other local merchants in the area. Starting fires, looting and engaging in violence= Best way to "take action."
To be serious for a second... I believe the answer is obvious. Police should not be allowed to carry guns, nightsticks, or engage in choke holds. Instead, all cops will be required to wear 16 oz boxing gloves at all times. If a perp attacks them, or is in the process of committing a crime, the officer must best the suspect in fistacuffs (one on one only).
This will ensure "fair" law enforcement procedures.
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Sorry Coach, I'm not going to pour over the countless articles I've read on it, or news reports.
Try googling. Wilson's injuries have been greatly and egregiously exaggerated.
I have a serious question. Do you REALLY think blacks are treated as bad as Sharpton, Jackson say they are? Because I just read an article not too long ago that whites were the new minority in this country and the last I heard we had a fake president that was black that loves to play the race card.
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I have a serious question. Do you REALLY think blacks are treated as bad as Sharpton, Jackson say they are?
Because I just read an article not too long ago that whites were the new minority in this country and the last I heard we had a fake president that was black that loves to play the race card.
YES
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YES
Yes what? Elaborate
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Yes what? Elaborate
YES, ...YOU LOBOTOMIZED IDIOT!
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YES, ...YOU LOBOTOMIZED IDIOT!
Typical left wingnut answer.
Translation: "I'm a racist and can't answer".
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It's not like you to let the insults slide Joe. She's calling you a complete idiot.
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It's not like you to let the insults slide Joe. She's calling you a complete idiot.
She needs to lay off the vodka.
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She needs to lay off the vodka.
Actually, I prefer Champagne, ...but I'm stone cold sober tonight, ...perhaps a tad cynical.
ps: Glad you were able to get the playful naughtiness in my post, especially since I forgot the little emoticon
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That narrative has been shown to be demonstrably false. The officer's orbital was not broken.
He wasn't a monster, he was an 18 yr. old boy, ...albeit a rather large 18 year old boy.
It has not yet been ascertained how Wilson received his injuries, or if they were the result of the confrontation. It's possible, he received them trying to get out of his vehicle, and the door bounced back and hit him in the face.
The question no one is even asking is... why did he bother the two boys in the first place?
Since when is walking in the street a crime? Was it even necessary to confront a couple of kids walking in the street? To turn a cruiser around because they want to walk in the roadway, ...or was it merely an example of heavy handed policing.
If a couple of kids don't know any better than to walk on the street, let them get hit by a car. If Brown was as huge and a "monstrous" as to justify unloading 8 bullets into him, getting hit by a car would only total the car. Again I ask, ...was hassling the kid for walking in the street of this small town really necessary?
Additionally, the police had absolutely no knowledge of the robbery at the time of the confrontation.
They only found out about if AFTER Wilson had shot & killed Michael Brown. Police only learned about the presence of convenience store surveillance tape because a store customer alerted them. The owner of the store didn't even bother to call police about the alleged "robbery"
The only one's taking the "bait" are those who want to keep framing this issue as Black vs. White, as opposed to what it really is about. The more people who see it as a "racial" issue, ...the more "authorities can get away with militarizing the police. It may start off in towns & cities that are predominantly Black, ...but don't you for a minute think it's going to end there. A militarized police force may be coming to a town near you... fairly quickly.
Seriously?
This dude robbed a convenience store and assaulted an officer. Aside from what happened afterwards this is a total non-issue. Again, this is race baiting, because if this dude wasnt black and didnt pull the race card no one would have ever heard about this.
Assault an officer = dead.
Period.
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What a joke. More idiocy from the peanut gallery. "Take action"? Like what? Burn a store down? Loot some cigs and booze? Chant Yes We Can?
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Only demonstrates yet again the horrible priorities and misplaced concerns of the black community. They are stuck in a way of thinking
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Only demonstrates yet again the horrible priorities and misplaced concerns of the black community. They are stuck in a way of thinking
Yeah. I still don't know if Brown was wrongfully shot or not. And if Wilson wrongfully shot him he should be charged.
But i agree with this. Why are people marching about their youth wasting their lives? I have seen impoverished black communities take their neighborhoods back in California in a positive way.
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I have a serious question. Do you REALLY think blacks are treated as bad as Sharpton, Jackson say they are? Because I just read an article not too long ago that whites were the new minority in this country and the last I heard we had a fake president that was black that loves to play the race card.
Treated as bad where exactly, Coach?
You're in CA and you've mentioned before that you're not exactly a world-traveler so I'm wondering if maybe you haven't seen much of the USA.
It seems to me (and I could be wrong) that even though police abuse is hardly unheard of here in CA, it's still a lot better than in many other places in the USA.
For example, I think it's unlikely that the shit that CA's Dan Saulmon says to cops here ("You're mistaken, Bacon") would be allowed anywhere in the South.
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Yeah. I still don't know if Brown was wrongfully shot or not. And if Wilson wrongfully shot him he should be charged.
But i agree with this. Why are people marching about their youth wasting their lives? I have seen impoverished black communities take their neighborhoods back in California in a positive way.
What it comes down to is active participation in improving the community, particularly by parents raising children. All these marches do jacks-shit to improve the neighborhood. They've been doing these marches for decades and have nothing to show for it. All show and no go. All flash and no substance.
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Assault an officer = dead.
Period.
Is it that simple, SW? Are you saying that if an unarmed person has a physical altercation with a LEO and then attempts to flee before giving up with his hands raised the cop should be allowed to kill him?
Or are you just saying that "Assault an officer = dead" is a good thing to keep in mind when it comes to increasing your chance to survive an encounter with police? (If that's all you're saying, I agree.)
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Is it that simple, SW? Are you saying that if an unarmed person has a physical altercation with a LEO and then attempts to flee before giving up with his hands raised the cop should be allowed to kill him?
Or are you just saying that "Assault an officer = dead" is a good thing to keep in mind when it comes to increasing your chance to survive an encounter with police? (If that's all you're saying, I agree.)
Its called Common FNG Sense - you assault a cop you are going to at a minimum get your brains stomped out
I know for thugs and gangster pos like Obama holder al Sharpton jessee et al they are ignorant and stupid - but for everyone else - they get it
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Its called Common FNG Sense - you assault a cop you are going to at a minimum get your brains stomped out
I know for thugs and gangster pos like Obama holder al Sharpton jessee et al they are ignorant and stupid - but for everyone else - they get it
I think most everyone "gets it".
But that's a different thing than saying we should accept it and/or make it legal.
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Treated as bad where exactly, Coach?
You're in CA and you've mentioned before that you're not exactly a world-traveler so I'm wondering if maybe you haven't seen much of the USA.
It seems to me (and I could be wrong) that even though police abuse is hardly unheard of here in CA, it's still a lot better than in many other places in the USA.
For example, I think it's unlikely that the shit that CA's Dan Saulmon says to cops here ("You're mistaken, Bacon") would be allowed anywhere in the South.
My point exactly. They are not treated bad. But if you listen to Sharpton and Jackson you'd think we were still in the days of slavery.
Yesterday a black cop shot a white kid. Where is the outrage?
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Is it that simple, SW? Are you saying that if an unarmed person has a physical altercation with a LEO and then attempts to flee before giving up with his hands raised the cop should be allowed to kill him?
Or are you just saying that "Assault an officer = dead" is a good thing to keep in mind when it comes to increasing your chance to survive an encounter with police? (If that's all you're saying, I agree.)
Option B mostly.
If you're going to physically assault an officer to the point that you shatter his orbital and he legitimatley believes hes fighting for his life, then he's going to kill you, as he's trained to do so in that sitution.
Period.
Biggest problem I have is stupid people rallying around a criminal like this who assaulted an officer and got killed because of his own stupidity instantly marginalizes the legitimate beef people have with police brutality/militarization/abuse of authority.
This case is polarizing people because this guy was a stupid shit bag and pulled the race card, he's not the innocent grandma that gets shot or the baby that gets flash banged. ... but because retards made this into such a big thing, it's going to push people right into the corner of the same officers that pointed a rifle in a journalists face.
Hell I think theyve raised something like 150% more for the officer than all the people rallying for the criminal.
(Now, I'm not 100% sure of how the situation got started, but if you're going to assault an officer you have to be ready to die)
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Seriously?
This dude robbed a convenience store and assaulted an officer. Aside from what happened afterwards this is a total non-issue. Again, this is race baiting, because if this dude wasnt black and didnt pull the race card no one would have ever heard about this.
Assault an officer = dead.
Period.
No one knew he robbed a convenience store at that time.
It also has yet to be determined he assaulted the officer.
All I'm asking is why was it so urgent to hassle the boys about walking in the road?
By all accounts, it was the police officer who first initiated contact, and it was the police who escalated it by turning around and approaching those boys. I think my questions are legitimate ones. Can you answer them?
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No one knew he robbed a convenience store at that time.
It also has yet to be determined he assaulted the officer.
All I'm asking is why was it so urgent to hassle the boys about walking in the road?
By all accounts, it was the police officer who first initiated contact, and it was the police who escalated it by turning around and approaching those boys. I think my questions are legitimate ones. Can you answer them?
Brown knew and this would have driven up his anxiety and aggression levels upon seeing the officer. You have no understanding about the problem with people walking in the middle of the road. All Brown had to do is get out of the road and stop holding up traffic.
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No one knew he robbed a convenience store at that time.
It also has yet to be determined he assaulted the officer.
All I'm asking is why was it so urgent to hassle the boys about walking in the road?
By all accounts, it was the police officer who first initiated contact, and it was the police who escalated it by turning around and approaching those boys. I think my questions are legitimate ones. Can you answer them?
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Brown knew and this would have driven up his anxiety and aggression levels upon seeing the officer. You have no understanding about the problem with people walking in the middle of the road. All Brown had to do is get out of the road and stop holding up traffic.
There was no traffic.
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There was no traffic.
Doesn't matter. Get out of the road and go about your business.
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What a joke. More idiocy from the peanut gallery. "Take action"? Like what? Burn a store down? Loot some cigs and booze? Chant Yes We Can?
Read what Sharpton had to say, and you'll see the kind of action spoken of.
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Read what Sharpton had to say, and you'll see the kind of action spoken of.
Sharpton should be in prison. Why would anyone listen to that race-baiting criminal.
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Yeah. I still don't know if Brown was wrongfully shot or not. And if Wilson wrongfully shot him he should be charged.
But i agree with this. Why are people marching about their youth wasting their lives? I have seen impoverished black communities take their neighborhoods back in California in a positive way.
Before or after COINTELPRO
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Read what Sharpton had to say, and you'll see the kind of action spoken of.
Sharpton is a pos and a criminal who invaded my nabein yonkers in the 1980s
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Before or after COINTELPRO
I think is about the time the alien conspiracy was enacted to bring the WTC towers down so they can re-enslave black people.
So after.
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Sharpton is a pos and a criminal who invaded my nabein yonkers in the 1980s
He's also instigated a riot that resulted in the deaths of five people.
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Before or after COINTELPRO
There is nothing to be gained by keeping the black community down. Trillions of dollars have been spent to improve the lives of black Americans. Once great and prosperous cities have fallen to blight. Society only benefits from a strong productive black community.
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Option B mostly.
If you're going to physically assault an officer to the point that you shatter his orbital and he legitimatley believes hes fighting for his life, then he's going to kill you, as he's trained to do so in that sitution.
Period.
Again, it has yet to be determined that he did assault the officer.
Again, he did not have a broken orbital socket.
Biggest problem I have is stupid people rallying around a criminal like this who assaulted an officer and got killed because of his own stupidity instantly marginalizes the legitimate beef people have with police brutality/militarization/abuse of authority.
Again, it has yet to be determined that this kid assaulted the officer or that he was at fault for his own death. Stop blaming the victim. People are rallying around THE EVENT to air the legitimate beefs they have with police.
This case is polarizing people because this guy was a stupid shit bag and pulled the race card, he's not the innocent grandma that gets shot or the baby that gets flash banged. ... but because retards made this into such a big thing, it's going to push people right into the corner of the same officers that pointed a rifle in a journalists face.
I think you have Marc Catron to thank for that, as well as the fukacta way in which the aftermath was handled by the Keystone cops of Ferguson.
Hell I think theyve raised something like 150% more for the officer than all the people rallying for the criminal.
(Now, I'm not 100% sure of how the situation got started, but if you're going to assault an officer you have to be ready to die)
Again, it has yet to be determined that he did assault the officer.
There are too many lingering questions, and a very inadequate police response.
Too much, too little, too late, all the while a concerted effort to vilify this kid in the court of public opinion prior to releasing any facts. The people of ferguson had legitimate questions, and objections to the way the entire shooting was handled, ...including the officer not even calling it in, but instead leaving the dead kid to lie out in the sun on the roadway for hours.... Then they refuse to release the name of the officer involved in the shooting... then a member of their Dept. releases a picture of a murder suspect from Washington depicted in a stereotypical thug like pose, claiming it to be Michael Brown? Was it the case of a racist cop who can't tell the difference between Black people? or was it a case of a cop counting on a racist public to not be able to tell the difference between Black people?
What you fail to recognize is that the more the cops screwed it up, ...the more people rallied around the event demanding answers & accountability. And it is those answers & demands for accountability that you and so many others appear so willing to dismiss. Had the police not messed up so completely, I doubt neither you nor I would have even heard of Michael Brown.
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There is nothing to be gained by keeping the black community down.
It is clear you known not the ways of this world.
Trillions of dollars have been spent to improve the lives of black Americans.
A cage lined with feathers is still a cage. Improving the creature comforts of a slave, does nothing to remove him/her from a state of slavery.
Once great and prosperous cities have fallen to blight.
A testament to the efficacy of central planners no doubt.
Society only benefits from a strong productive black community.
Hence the rationale for their continued enslavement. Don't worry though... the agenda is expanding, and soon, your consciousness may unfold to reveal what you thus far have been either unable to see, or unable to acknowledge... until it's too late.
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My point exactly. They are not treated bad. But if you listen to Sharpton and Jackson you'd think we were still in the days of slavery.
Yesterday a black cop shot a white kid. Where is the outrage?
It's waiting for the epidemic of Black cops shooting white kids, ...then it will come forward.
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Seriously?
This dude robbed a convenience store and assaulted an officer. Aside from what happened afterwards this is a total non-issue. Again, this is race baiting, because if this dude wasnt black and didnt pull the race card no one would have ever heard about this.
Assault an officer = dead.
Period.
Yes but everyone is so hung up on race that they can't see past skin colour. A scumbag got killed, he happen to be black. I'm pleased he's dead. If he was white, a white scumbag is dead. I'm happy too.
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There is nothing to be gained by keeping the black community down. Trillions of dollars have been spent to improve the lives of black Americans. Once great and prosperous cities have fallen to blight. Society only benefits from a strong productive black community.
There is everything to be gained by everyone for a prosperous black community. More tax revenue for one.
But instead some of the black community want to live lives like Brown. Gangster thugs. And some, want to exploit the black community like Al Sharpton and yet others join the entitlement/victim parade.
It's time to shut up. Its a free country. take advantage of it. stop thinking there's a conspiracy to keep them down and using it as an EXCUSE to be a POS of society.
Its interesting to talk to black people who have made it out of the "ghetto." They work hard, live productive lives and don't blame society. They blame themselves for both their failures and successes.
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Again, it has yet to be determined that he did assault the officer.
Again, he did not have a broken orbital socket.
Again, it has yet to be determined that this kid assaulted the officer or that he was at fault for his own death. Stop blaming the victim. People are rallying around THE EVENT to air the legitimate beefs they have with police.
I think you have Marc Catron to thank for that, as well as the fukacta way in which the aftermath was handled by the Keystone cops of Ferguson.
Again, it has yet to be determined that he did assault the officer.
There are too many lingering questions, and a very inadequate police response.
Too much, too little, too late, all the while a concerted effort to vilify this kid in the court of public opinion prior to releasing any facts. The people of ferguson had legitimate questions, and objections to the way the entire shooting was handled, ...including the officer not even calling it in, but instead leaving the dead kid to lie out in the sun on the roadway for hours.... Then they refuse to release the name of the officer involved in the shooting... then a member of their Dept. releases a picture of a murder suspect from Washington depicted in a stereotypical thug like pose, claiming it to be Michael Brown? Was it the case of a racist cop who can't tell the difference between Black people? or was it a case of a cop counting on a racist public to not be able to tell the difference between Black people?
What you fail to recognize is that the more the cops screwed it up, ...the more people rallied around the event demanding answers & accountability. And it is those answers & demands for accountability that you and so many others appear so willing to dismiss. Had the police not messed up so completely, I doubt neither you nor I would have even heard of Michael Brown.
Yeah, sorry ive learned better than to take your word on things.
Also love that you keep trying to turn this thing around from the fact that this KID was actually massive ADULT MALE that robbed a store and beat the shit out of someone.
You keep trying to spin facts and use technicalitites (he didnt know he robbed a store ::) ) to try and shift responsibility...... also love the 'we dont know that, you cant, thats yet to be determined' bullshit. In other words, 'i cant prove that wrong but it destroys my narrative so ll refuse to recognize it'
If he hadnt chose the actions he did hed still be alive. And you're doing EXACTLY what you shouldnt do if you truly care about police misconduct.. allowing the media to bait you into buying into a narrative that will only gully polarize people instead of a legitimate issue that could put the spotlight onto real police misconduct.
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My point exactly. They are not treated bad. But if you listen to Sharpton and Jackson you'd think we were still in the days of slavery.
Yesterday a black cop shot a white kid. Where is the outrage?
Everywhere ain't CA, Coach.
There isn't any slavery as far as I know but open racism still exists in certain parts of the country.
As a Californian, it's kind amusing and weird to me, actually -- When I was in Army basic training way back in '83 there was this little white dude from Mississippi who talked real fast who was constantly getting physically fucked with (but not actually being beat down) by the brothers because he seemingly could not stop saying "hebrew".
BTW, if you're talking about that white kid who got shot for non-compliance because he was wearing headphones and didn't hear the cop, there IS outrage about that. Just not on the scale of the Ferguson thing.
Check out www.reddit/r/bad_cop_no_donut/ or http://photographyisnotacrime.com/ to maybe get a hint of why many white folks seem to be sympathizing with Ferguson's protestors.
FWIW, I don't think white guys like me are sympathizing with blacks as much as we're pissed and more than a little concerned about police abuse in general.
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It is clear you known not the ways of this world.
A cage lined with feathers is still a cage. Improving the creature comforts of a slave, does nothing to remove him/her from a state of slavery.
A testament to the efficacy of central planners no doubt.
Hence the rationale for their continued enslavement. Don't worry though... the agenda is expanding, and soon, your consciousness may unfold to reveal what you thus far have been either unable to see, or unable to acknowledge... until it's too late.
You're a conspiracy nut. Society benefits from a strong and healthy black community. For your conspiracy theory to be valid there must be something gained from it. What does keeping blacks down gain anyone? It's not cheap labor. All it creates is economic drain, crime and blight. Apparently, the same conspirators don't seem to mind Hispanics and Asians.
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Doesn't matter. Get out of the road and go about your business.
I'm sure he would have, ...had he not been shot & killed by Wilson
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I'm sure he would have, ...had he not been shot & killed by Wilson
*facepalm*
Yes, im aure thats exactly how it happened... the angelic young 18 yr old kid with his whole world ahead of him was just skipping merrily down the middle of the street when the evil officer came up, screamed at him to get out of the road and then instantly shot him dead while cackling with glee.
Then the officer proceeded to punch himself in the face over and over to simulate injury so that he ould claim the 'kid' assaulted him.
I mean its just so obvious, how could anyone question it?
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*facepalm*
Yes, im aure thats exactly how it happened... the angelic young 18 yr old kid with his whole world ahead of him was just skipping merrily down the middle of the street when the evil officer came up, screamed at him to get out of the road and then instantly shot him dead while cackling with glee.
Then the officer proceeded to ounch himself in the face over and over to simulate injury so that he ould claim the 'kid' assaulted him.
Dont blame her. Shes been indoctrinated her whole life with a variety of conspiracy theories. Its mental slavery
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Yes but everyone is so hung up on race that they can't see past skin colour.
BINGO!!!
Who made it a race thing?
It started off a small community demanded answers in the death of a teenaged boy at the hands of police.
A son of ferguson was shot and killed by a police officer who did not even call it in.
Instead, his dead body was left out on the road to bake in the sun for hours on end.
Dispatch contacting Ferguson police have no knowledge of the shooting. According to them everything A-OK?
Can you not see how a community would not want answers as to how this occurs?
Then police refuse to even release the name of the police officer involved in the shooting.
Instead, a Ferguson cop releases a false racist narrative, and a fake pic supposedly of the deceased, when in fact it was a suspected murderer, claiming this to be the deceased?
Then a peaceful demonstration demanding accountability is met with storm troopers & illegal chemical weapons? The media didn't create the story. They were a part of it. They too were tear gassed, fired upon, and had their lives threatened. Of course the people of that small town would be protesting, ...and yes, you're going to see alot of Blacks there. They comprise 70% of the population of that town. the police of Ferguson are 100% white. So, basic demographics will tell you that if a town with 70% Black population is protesting, and demanding accountability of a police force that is 100% white, small minded individuals will see that as a Black vs. White thing. And law abiding people, not wanting to "betray their race" are going to overlook all the issues concerning the police, and rally around this cop and inept police dept that has clearly messed up. At this point, Michael Brown has become a non-issue, but he has become a rallying point around which people have come together to demand answers and address issues. One of those issues is the militarization of the police, the heavy handedness of police, the lack of accountability of police when shooting young Black males, as well as the harassment of Black males, law abiding or otherwise.
The Cops screwed this whole thing up from the get go, ...and escalated it and made it worse every step of the way. Now numerous issues with law enforcement are coming to the forefront.
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Coach, please see your PMs
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*facepalm*
Yes, im aure thats exactly how it happened... the angelic young 18 yr old kid with his whole world ahead of him was just skipping merrily down the middle of the street when the evil officer came up, screamed at him to get out of the road and then instantly shot him dead while cackling with glee.
Then the officer proceeded to punch himself in the face over and over to simulate injury so that he ould claim the 'kid' assaulted him.
I mean its just so obvious, how could anyone question it?
Why do you guys feel so compelled to make shit up? I doubt Wilson cackled.
As for his injuries, my guess is that it could have happened from the car door, but who knows?
He could have had someone punch the shit out of him to simulate injuries for which he could claim a justified shoot. Do we know where he was during the hours when Brown was left to bake in the sun? ;)
Maybe it was the Police Chief who whooped him? I could see that:
POW, "You motherfu**er! POW, Stand still and take it! BOOM!
I need to get re-elected in this town Goddammit, POW
...and this is gonna get you exonerated, so quit flinching! POW!
I could see it. :P
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Coach, Thank you for being such a mensch. :-*
Below is a recent email from my friend Charles:
WHEN YOU "FIT THE DESCRIPTION"!
It’s one of those things that you hear about, but never think it would happen to you.
On Friday afternoon, August 22nd around 5:20pm, while innocently walking by myself from a restaurant on Wilshire Blvd, to my car up LaCienega Blvd my freedom was taken from me by the Beverly Hills Police Department.
Within seconds, I was detained and told to sit on the curb of the very busy street, during rush hour traffic.
Within minutes, I was surrounded by 6 police cars, handcuffed very tightly, fully searched for weapons, and placed back on the curb.
Within an hour, I was transported to the Beverly Hills Police Headquarters, photographed, finger printed and put under a $100,000 bail and accused of armed bank robbery and accessory to robbery of a Citibank.
Within an evening, I was wrongly arrested, locked up, denied a phone call, denied explanation of charges against me, denied ever being read my rights, denied being able to speak to my lawyer for a lengthy time, and denied being told that my car had been impounded…..All because I was mis-indentified as the wrong “tall, bald head, black male,” ... "fitting the description."
I get that the Beverly Hills Police Department didn’t know at the time that I was a law abiding citizen of the community and that in my 51 years of existence, had never been handcuffed or arrested for any reason. All they saw, was someone fitting the description. Doesn't matter if he's a "Taye Diggs BLACK", a "LL Cool J BLACK", or "a Drake BLACK"
I get that the Beverly Hills Police Department didn’t know that I was an award nominated and awarding winning business professional, most recently being recognized by the Los Angeles Business Journal at their Nonprofit & Corporate Citizenship Awards. They didn't need to because, they saw someone fitting the description.
I get that the Beverly Hills Police Department didn’t know that I was a well educated American citizen that had received a BS in Electrical Engineering from the University of Southern California, an MBA from Indiana University (including a full Consortium Fellowship to business school) and an Executive Leadership Certificate from Harvard Business School. Hey, I was "tall", "bald", a "male" and "black", so I fit the description.
I get that the Beverly Hills Police Department didn’t know that I was a Consultant for the NAACP, a film and tv producer, a previous VP of Marketing for a wireless application company, VP of Integrated Promotions for a marketing agency, ran Community Affairs for the Atlanta Hawks, was the Deputy Director of Olympic Village Operations for the 1996 Atlanta Olympic Games, was a Test/Quality/Mfg Engineering Manager for IBM and was a Bond Trader on Wall street. Surely, folks that fit the description wouldn't qualify as any of those.
I get that the Beverly Hills Police Department didn’t know that throughout my entire life I have been very active in serving the communities that I have lived in, including Chapter President and National PR Chair for NSBE, a USC Student Senator, a USC Trojan Knight, a USC Engineering Student Council Member, a USC Black Students Council Member, and a Resident Assistant; as well as a founding board member of the RTP NBMBAA, a member of Durham County Transportation Advisory Board, Durham City / County Planning Commission, Atlanta House of Love for the Homeless Board, Cobb County Transportation Advisory Board, Georgia CASA Board, United Way of Greater Atlanta VIP Selection Committee, Jomandi Theater Board, Silver Lake Film Festival Board, Downtown LA Film Festival Board, Chaka Khan Foundation Fundraising Dinner Committee, and the USC Black Alumni Association Board. Nawl, not a "black male", especially a "tall, bald" one.
I get that the Beverly Hills Police Department didn’t know that just hours earlier, I was at one of the finest hotels in their city, handling celebrity talent at a Emmy Awards Gifting Suite, as part of business as usual, and, invited to attend a VIP Emmy pre-party that very night in their city. The guy doing that, just DON"T fit the description.
What I don’t get………WHAT I DON”T GET, is, why, during the 45 minutes that they had me on the curb, handcuffed in the sun, before they locked me up and took away my civil rights, that they could not simply review the ATM and bank’s HD video footage to clearly see that the “tall, bald headed, black male”… did not fit MY description.
Why, at 11:59pm (approximately 6 hours later), was the video footage reviewed only after my request to the Lead Detective for the Beverly Hills Police Department and an FBI Agent to do so, and, after being directly accused by another FBI Special Agent of “…going in and out of the bank several times complaining about the ATM Machine to cause a distraction…” thereby aiding in the armed robbery attempt of a bank that I never heard of, or ever been to; and within 10 minutes……10 MINUTES, my lawyer was told that I was being release because it was clear that it was not me.
The sad thing is, prior to my freedom being taken from me for an easily proven crime I did not commit, I was walking back to my car, by myself, because I needed to check my parking meter, so that I wouldn’t get a ticket and break the law. In fact, if it wasn’t for a text message that I was responding to, I would have actually been running up LaCienega Blvd when the first Beverly Hills Police Officer approached me. Running!
I want to thank GOD, Robin Lola Harrison of the NAACP Hollywood Bureau, Robert Dowdy and Attorney Jaaye Person-Lynn , without whom, I am certain that I would still be locked up in the custody of the Beverly Hills Police Department. Based on comments made by a Beverly Hills Police Officer during my booking, and an FBI Special Agent, it appeared that they had tried and convicted me.
To everyone, especial black males (regardless of height, hair style or particular shade of "black") - [numerous names redacted] etal, - I have always stayed as far away from being on the wrong side of the law as much as possible; so please, be careful. If something like this can happen to ME, it can certainly happen to ANYONE!
Time has come for a change in the way OUR law enforcement officers "serve and protect" us.
We all do not, FIT THE DESCRIPTION.
Peace and Blessings...
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Coach, Thank you for being such a mensch. :-*
Below is a recent email from my friend Charles:
WHEN YOU "FIT THE DESCRIPTION"!
It’s one of those things that you hear about, but never think it would happen to you.
On Friday afternoon, August 22nd around 5:20pm, while innocently walking by myself from a restaurant on Wilshire Blvd, to my car up LaCienega Blvd my freedom was taken from me by the Beverly Hills Police Department.
Within seconds, I was detained and told to sit on the curb of the very busy street, during rush hour traffic.
Within minutes, I was surrounded by 6 police cars, handcuffed very tightly, fully searched for weapons, and placed back on the curb.
Within an hour, I was transported to the Beverly Hills Police Headquarters, photographed, finger printed and put under a $100,000 bail and accused of armed bank robbery and accessory to robbery of a Citibank.
Within an evening, I was wrongly arrested, locked up, denied a phone call, denied explanation of charges against me, denied ever being read my rights, denied being able to speak to my lawyer for a lengthy time, and denied being told that my car had been impounded…..All because I was mis-indentified as the wrong “tall, bald head, black male,” ... "fitting the description."
I get that the Beverly Hills Police Department didn’t know at the time that I was a law abiding citizen of the community and that in my 51 years of existence, had never been handcuffed or arrested for any reason. All they saw, was someone fitting the description. Doesn't matter if he's a "Taye Diggs BLACK", a "LL Cool J BLACK", or "a Drake BLACK"
I get that the Beverly Hills Police Department didn’t know that I was an award nominated and awarding winning business professional, most recently being recognized by the Los Angeles Business Journal at their Nonprofit & Corporate Citizenship Awards. They didn't need to because, they saw someone fitting the description.
I get that the Beverly Hills Police Department didn’t know that I was a well educated American citizen that had received a BS in Electrical Engineering from the University of Southern California, an MBA from Indiana University (including a full Consortium Fellowship to business school) and an Executive Leadership Certificate from Harvard Business School. Hey, I was "tall", "bald", a "male" and "black", so I fit the description.
I get that the Beverly Hills Police Department didn’t know that I was a Consultant for the NAACP, a film and tv producer, a previous VP of Marketing for a wireless application company, VP of Integrated Promotions for a marketing agency, ran Community Affairs for the Atlanta Hawks, was the Deputy Director of Olympic Village Operations for the 1996 Atlanta Olympic Games, was a Test/Quality/Mfg Engineering Manager for IBM and was a Bond Trader on Wall street. Surely, folks that fit the description wouldn't qualify as any of those.
I get that the Beverly Hills Police Department didn’t know that throughout my entire life I have been very active in serving the communities that I have lived in, including Chapter President and National PR Chair for NSBE, a USC Student Senator, a USC Trojan Knight, a USC Engineering Student Council Member, a USC Black Students Council Member, and a Resident Assistant; as well as a founding board member of the RTP NBMBAA, a member of Durham County Transportation Advisory Board, Durham City / County Planning Commission, Atlanta House of Love for the Homeless Board, Cobb County Transportation Advisory Board, Georgia CASA Board, United Way of Greater Atlanta VIP Selection Committee, Jomandi Theater Board, Silver Lake Film Festival Board, Downtown LA Film Festival Board, Chaka Khan Foundation Fundraising Dinner Committee, and the USC Black Alumni Association Board. Nawl, not a "black male", especially a "tall, bald" one.
I get that the Beverly Hills Police Department didn’t know that just hours earlier, I was at one of the finest hotels in their city, handling celebrity talent at a Emmy Awards Gifting Suite, as part of business as usual, and, invited to attend a VIP Emmy pre-party that very night in their city. The guy doing that, just DON"T fit the description.
What I don’t get………WHAT I DON”T GET, is, why, during the 45 minutes that they had me on the curb, handcuffed in the sun, before they locked me up and took away my civil rights, that they could not simply review the ATM and bank’s HD video footage to clearly see that the “tall, bald headed, black male”… did not fit MY description.
Why, at 11:59pm (approximately 6 hours later), was the video footage reviewed only after my request to the Lead Detective for the Beverly Hills Police Department and an FBI Agent to do so, and, after being directly accused by another FBI Special Agent of “…going in and out of the bank several times complaining about the ATM Machine to cause a distraction…” thereby aiding in the armed robbery attempt of a bank that I never heard of, or ever been to; and within 10 minutes……10 MINUTES, my lawyer was told that I was being release because it was clear that it was not me.
The sad thing is, prior to my freedom being taken from me for an easily proven crime I did not commit, I was walking back to my car, by myself, because I needed to check my parking meter, so that I wouldn’t get a ticket and break the law. In fact, if it wasn’t for a text message that I was responding to, I would have actually been running up LaCienega Blvd when the first Beverly Hills Police Officer approached me. Running!
I want to thank GOD, Robin Lola Harrison of the NAACP Hollywood Bureau, Robert Dowdy and Attorney Jaaye Person-Lynn , without whom, I am certain that I would still be locked up in the custody of the Beverly Hills Police Department. Based on comments made by a Beverly Hills Police Officer during my booking, and an FBI Special Agent, it appeared that they had tried and convicted me.
To everyone, especial black males (regardless of height, hair style or particular shade of "black") - [numerous names redacted] etal, - I have always stayed as far away from being on the wrong side of the law as much as possible; so please, be careful. If something like this can happen to ME, it can certainly happen to ANYONE!
Time has come for a change in the way OUR law enforcement officers "serve and protect" us.
We all do not, FIT THE DESCRIPTION.
Peace and Blessings...
He was arrested falsely but a black guy still did it. I thought you said this wasn't about race?
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Who gives a shit about another dead thug
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He was arrested falsely but a black guy still did it. I thought you said this wasn't about race?
I don't know if a Black guy did it. From what I could gather, they believe a Black man complaining about a malfunctioning ATM machine was an accomplice to whoever robbed the bank. But based on their "policework" It wouldn't surprise me if their supposed accomplice was just an irate man complaining about a malfunctioning ATM machine.
A similar thing happened to 240, ...except in 240's case, he DID fit the description right down to the very same tattoo on his forearm, ...and a young toddler in the car. In 240's case however, the officer showed some common sense, and checked out 240's identity, and let him go. He didn't haul him into the station, arrest, photograph, fingerprint him, and set his bail at $100K all while refusing to read him his rights, or allow him his phone call, or deny him an attorney.
In Charles case, his description was "Black, tall, male bald".
With that cops arrest and try him at the side of the road?
How safe would any of you guys be, if the BOLO was White, short, male, bald?
Pretty all encompassing isn't it?
Charles was denied his rights, his lawyer was also denied access to his client.
Jaaye had to remind the lieutenant he could be charged for keeping him from Charles.
Jaaye and his girlfriend had been anticipating Tiffany's wedding for months, and they immediately had to leave the ceremony to go to Charles' defense, only to see his civil rights violated, while already in custody no less... when simple forethought and competent police work could have immediately determined they had the wrong man. The whole lot of them, in addition to wrongful arrest, should be charged with civil rights violations, and obstruction of justice.
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He was arrested falsely but a black guy still did it. I thought you said this wasn't about race?
I'm saying the support & solidarity for the citizens of Ferguson isn't about race, it is about accountability of police for what they do. In the process of demanding accountability, many issues are coming to the fore, including the way Police handle people of colour. They lack proper discernment, and that is a problem.
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I'm saying the support & solidarity for the citizens of Ferguson isn't about race, it is about accountability of police for what they do. In the process of demanding accountability, many issues are coming to the fore, including the way Police handle people of colour. They lack proper discernment, and that is a problem.
When will you hold the thieves accountable. Could be that blacks don't have the ability to discern.
This is what the authors found in a study of 209 black and 125 white applicants for the job of fire fighters, who were tested with the 16-item Wong and Law Emotional Intelligence Scale. Whites scored significantly higher than blacks at 6.41 (Sd 0.51) than blacks (6.14 (Sd 0.81), with the difference equal to approximately a third of a standard deviation (d = .32)
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/ijsa.12069/abstract;jsessionid=B701D6BBCA3DE5821C7F36C1760E5BE0.f02t02?deniedAccessCustomisedMe ssage=&userIsAuthenticated=false
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^^^LOL
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^^^LOL
You're obsessed. It's creepy
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You're obsessed. It's creepy
Is that so?
LOL at a male getbigger telling another man he's "creepy".
Aren't you a little old and of the wrong gender to be using the word "creepy"?
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Is that so?
LOL at a male getbigger telling another man he's "creepy".
Aren't you a little old and of the wrong gender to be using the word "creepy"?
The word fits why not use it.
pertaining to, or characteristic of a person who is a creep; obnoxious; weird.
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The word fits why not use it.
pertaining to, or characteristic of a person who is a creep; obnoxious; weird.
No worries, be yourself, I say. Props for using the vernacular of a school girl if that's how ya really feel.
But hey, don't let me derail the thread as if it had just devolved into some racist trolling or something.
What were you saying about the possibility that blacks are innately inferior again? LOL
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No worries, be yourself, I say. Props for using the vernacular of a school girl if that's how ya really feel.
But hey, don't let me derail the thread as if it had just devolved into some racist trolling or something.
What were you saying about the possibility that blacks are innately inferior again? LOL
You derailed another thread to focus on me.
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You derailed another thread to focus on me.
No, I didn't.
Really, I'm hoping to read more unlettered conjecture about bell curves and the like.
Can you help? lol
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I'm all for them taking action,go get jobs,that's an action
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I'm all for them taking action,go get jobs,that's an action
Did someone hack your account?
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No, I didn't.
Really, I'm hoping to read more unlettered conjecture about bell curves and the like.
Can you help? lol
Im hoping to read less passive-aggressive posts by a creepy stalker. Only you can help.
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Im hoping to read less passive-aggressive posts by a creepy stalker. Only you can help.
Yeah, it may well be that you'd prefer a board filled with sycophantic endorsements of the pap that you spew but it's weak of you and just plain dishonest to accuse anyone of stalking you because you get called out for posts that reek of racist trolling.
If you haven't been trolling, though, and you really believe what you've been writing, then back it up. The flame-war drama won't be missed by many, I don't think.
Or, continue to act a troll and disregard the thread topic since you now have the attention that every troll desperately wants.
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Yeah, it may well be that you'd prefer a board filled with sycophantic endorsements of the pap that you spew but it's weak of you and just plain dishonest to accuse anyone of stalking you because you get called out for posts that reek of racist trolling.
If you haven't been trolling, though, and you really believe what you've been writing, then back it up. The flame-war drama won't be missed by many, I don't think.
Or, continue to act a troll and disregard the thread topic since you now have the attention that every troll desperately wants.
You still haven't proven I'm a pro-rape misogynist. You should back that up first. You've had many chances. You made the accusation, backed off when challenged and then start spewing the accusation again. That makes you a coward who doesn't have enough personal integrity and conviction to stand by his comments. You folded and that makes you the weak one. Doesn't it?
What am I saying that is racist? What about it is racist? Come on, give it a try.
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You still haven't proven I'm a pro-rape misogynist. You should back that up first. You've had many chances. You made the accusation, backed off when challenged and then start spewing the accusation again. That makes you a coward who doesn't have enough personal integrity and conviction to stand by his comments. You folded and that makes you the weak one. Doesn't it?
What am I saying that is racist? What about it is racist? Come on, give it a try.
You trying to say that we can't both be weak? LOL
Look, I take back my pro-rape misogynist accusation. It may have been completely wrong and, in any case, was made prematurely without enough evidence. So, I apologize. (Probably, in the interest of accuracy, I should have just made a comment about your post being insensitive -- if I said anything.)
C'mon, Archer, you are familiar enough with what others think to realize that when you start positing that blacks may be innately mentally inferior it will be interpreted as racist writing, aren't you?
If not, please give me your definition (from anywhere) as to what objectionable racism is to you and I'll make an effort to really answer your question.
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You trying to say that we can't both be weak? LOL
Look, I take back my pro-rape misogynist accusation. It may have been completely wrong and, in any case, was made prematurely without enough evidence. So, I apologize. (Probably, in the interest of accuracy, I should have just made a comment about your post being insensitive -- if I said anything.)
C'mon, Archer, you are familiar enough with what others think to realize that when you start positing that blacks may be innately mentally inferior it will be interpreted as racist writing, aren't you?
If not, please give me your definition (from anywhere) as to what objectionable racism is to you and I'll make an effort to really answer your question.
I'm not positing anything. I post something interesting, like a study, and wait to see how people react. What does the study have to do with whether I'm racist? I'm not involved in the study at all. The easiest thing to do is dismiss the studies as racist because one is uncomfortable with the findings or claim they are absolutely true without question. Both approaches are inherently dishonest.
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I'm not positing anything. I post something interesting, like a study, and wait to see how people react. What does the study have to do with whether I'm racist? I'm not involved in the study at all. The easiest thing to do is dismiss the studies as racist because one is uncomfortable with the findings or claim they are absolutely true without question. Both approaches are inherently dishonest.
OK, I'll bite.
When you post results of a study that seem to suggest that blacks are innately mentally inferior to whites after posting numerous criticisms of black culture and behavior, it suggests that you are either racist or deliberately making racist posts in an attempt to troll. How is that unreasonable?
That I would guess that you're mostly trolling seems to be almost charitable on my part, lol.
And, dude, for a guy who's complained that others lack self-awareness you seem to be trying to pass yourself off as someone who's wearing mental blinders or something. Seems unlikely to me is all.
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OK, I'll bite.
When you post results of a study that seem to suggest that blacks are innately mentally inferior to whites after posting numerous criticisms of black culture and behavior, it suggests that you are either racist or deliberately making racist posts in an attempt to troll. How is that unreasonable?
That I would guess that you're mostly trolling seems to be almost charitable on my part, lol.
And, dude, for a guy who's complained that others lack self-awareness you seem to be trying to pass yourself off as someone who's wearing mental blinders or something. Seems unlikely to me is all.
There is nothing racist about criticizing behavior and practices that negatively effect the society I live in and more importantly their very own communities. Are you suggesting that anytime a white person has an opinion about any group other than his own it's racist? I find that kind of thinking oppressive.
Your interpretation of a study as implicitly stating blacks are inferior is on you. That is how you choose to view the information and in reality reveals a lot about you. From my perspective, superior and inferior are meaningless and all that really exists is difference.
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There is nothing racist about criticizing behavior and practices that negatively effect the society I live in and more importantly their very own communities. Are you suggesting that anytime a white person has an opinion about any group other than his own it's racist? I find that kind of thinking oppressive.
Your interpretation of a study as implicitly stating blacks are inferior is on you. That is how you choose to view the information and in reality reveals a lot about you. From my perspective, superior and inferior are meaningless and all that really exists is difference.
"Anytime"? More like "every time". And not only "every time" but also "every time negative". Which gets to the heart of what I'm trying to say here but if you're comfortable thinking like that, more power to ya.
LOL at my interpretation of the "study" you presented as being outside the norm. You know that's BS, I'm thinkin' but that's nothing I can prove.
Anyway, as a last ditch effort at having honest communication between us, will you admit that your posts could conceivably be seen as racist by reasonable people?
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"Anytime"? More like "every time". And not only "every time" but also "every time negative". Which gets to the heart of what I'm trying to say here but if you're comfortable thinking like that, more power to ya.
LOL at my interpretation of the "study" you presented as being outside the norm. You know that's BS, I'm thinkin' but that's nothing I can prove.
Anyway, as a last ditch effort at having honest communication between us, will you admit that your posts could conceivably be seen as racist by reasonable people?
It's not racist or prejudicial to point out certain unsavory aspects of any community, group or religion that effects the world I live in. You only interpret it that way because you don't like what you're hearing. Instead of offering valid cogent counter arguments you do what most small minded people do, call the person a racist and ignore the information entirely. Whether the majority of people say its racist has nothing to do with the arguments being made or it's validity and everything to do with knee jerk reactions to uncomfortable subject matter they would rather dismiss than consider. People like yourself hate dissension from any opinion other than your own.
As I predicted, you've failed to prove anything. Much like your accusations of being pro-rape this is another example of you throwing around words you have no understanding of and accusations you have no proof for.
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It's not racist or prejudicial to point out certain unsavory aspects of any community, group or religion that effects the world I live in. You only interpret it that way because you don't like what you're hearing. Instead of offering valid cogent counter arguments you do what most small minded people do, call the person a racist and ignore the information entirely. Whether the majority of people say its racist has nothing to do with the arguments being made or it's validity and everything to do with knee jerk reactions to uncomfortable subject matter they would rather dismiss than consider. People like yourself hate dissension from any opinion other than your own.
As I predicted, you've failed to prove anything. Much like your accusations of being pro-rape this is another example of you throwing around words you have no understanding of and accusations you have no proof for.
Archer, do you recognize that there are people who will bring up racially provocative topics in such a manner as to intentionally incite or troll when those same topics, if broached more carefully, wouldn't be considered quite as offensive? This seems to be what you're doing and is why I think you're more than half trolling about issues of race.
Also, lol, for a guy who insists on accuracy of speech in others, you make an awful lot of assumptions. You can suspect that you know what my motivation is for whatever, but you don't really know, do you? Qualifiers matter to folks that care about accuracy of communication and you don't seem to use enough of them. (Notice the word "seem" there?, lol)
When you insist on complete accuracy in the writing of others but don't apply that same standard to your own writing it makes you seem like a lazy hypocrite, imo. Like earlier in one of these Ferguson threads where you (rightfully, imo) criticized someone (240?) of pop psychology BS for making assumptions about what was going on in the cop's (Wilson's) mind and then, in the next post or two suggesting what you thought the dead black kid had been thinking.
Bah, that's enough on this subject, I'm thinking -- I could be wrong but I'm pretty much convinced that you don't take much of anything on this board seriously so I doubt you'll really think about anything I've written -- Honestly, I think I pissed you off past the point of no return a long time ago when I was unkind about how I pointed out that your "due process" argument as it applied to a that sexual assault study was irrelevant. I wouldn't have been such a dick about it if I'd thought that you were the kind of guy to hold a grudge. Oh well, I recognize that when some people have conflicts with others, they can get over it and make nice and others can't. So we'll see, ya know?
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Archer, do you recognize that there are people who will bring up racially provocative topics in such a manner as to intentionally incite or troll when those same topics, if broached more carefully, wouldn't be considered quite as offensive? This seems to be what you're doing and is why I think you're more than half trolling about issues of race.
Also, lol, for a guy who insists on accuracy of speech in others, you make an awful lot of assumptions. You can suspect that you know what my motivation is for whatever, but you don't really know, do you? Qualifiers matter to folks that care about accuracy of communication and you don't seem to use enough of them. (Notice the word "seem" there?, lol)
When you insist on complete accuracy in the writing of others but don't apply that same standard to your own writing it makes you seem like a lazy hypocrite, imo. Like earlier in one of these Ferguson threads where you (rightfully, imo) criticized someone (240?) of pop psychology BS for making assumptions about what was going on in the cop's (Wilson's) mind and then, in the next post or two suggesting what you thought the dead black kid had been thinking.
Bah, that's enough on this subject, I'm thinking -- I could be wrong but I'm pretty much convinced that you don't take much of anything on this board seriously so I doubt you'll really think about anything I've written -- Honestly, I think I pissed you off past the point of no return a long time ago when I was unkind about how I pointed out that your "due process" argument as it applied to a that sexual assault study was irrelevant. I wouldn't have been such a dick about it if I'd thought that you were the kind of guy to hold a grudge. Oh well, I recognize that when some people have conflicts with others, they can get over it and make nice and others can't. So we'll see, ya know?
It's not my problem how anyone reactions to any of the information I post. The reaction of others is no justification for censorship nor does it mean the information is not worth considering. Information is being made available for adult to do with as they see fit.
It's easy to understand your character. You say something, back off like a coward, start up again and then apologize and admit you are full of shit. What this indicates to everyone is that you are a coward for not standing by your words when confronted and dishonest for denying you said it in the first place.
If you actually read the particular thread you reference, you would have seen that I was demonstrating how easy it is to create a story that fits the narrative you want to believe. By the way, Truegrit acknowledged this fact in a PM. Sorry, you lose again.
I can tell you honestly nothing you've ever written has bothered me. I'm not the one following you around from thread to thread. It's not I who finds it necessary to add passive-aggressive comments to every post. I don't respond to any of your posts other than the ones directed at me. You find and respond to a lot of my posts. Yet again you've hijacked a thread to focus on me. I think we all know who the hurt one is. Do we need to ask the board again? That didn't go so well for you last time.
As most of what you've written, writing something over and over doesn’t make it true. I know you don’t really believe I'm bothered by you. You’re just saying it to save face.
I'm surprised you haven't gotten on your Al Doggity account to offer yourself some support. It's been awful lonely for you.
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It's not my problem how anyone reactions to any of the information I post. The reaction of others is no justification for censorship nor does it mean the information is not worth considering. Information is being made available for adult to do with as they see fit.
It's easy to understand your character. You say something, back off like a coward, start up again and then apologize and admit you are full of shit. What this indicates to everyone is that you are a coward for not standing by your words when confronted and dishonest for denying you said it in the first place.
If you actually read the particular thread you reference, you would have seen that I was demonstrating how easy it is to create a story that fits the narrative you want to believe. By the way, Truegrit acknowledged this fact in a PM. Sorry, you lose again.
I can tell you honestly nothing you've ever written has bothered me. I'm not the one following you around from thread to thread. It's not I who finds it necessary to add passive-aggressive comments to every post. I don't respond to any of your posts other than the ones directed at me. You find and respond to a lot of my posts. Yet again you've hijacked a thread to focus on me. I think we all know who the hurt one is. Do we need to ask the board again? That didn't go so well for you last time.
As most of what you've written, writing something over and over doesn’t make it true. I know you don’t really believe I'm bothered by you. You’re just saying it to save face.
I'm surprised you haven't gotten on your Al Doggity account to offer yourself some support. It's been awful lonely for you.
How anyone "reactions" to what you post? LOL. Info is being made available for adult?
Yeah, you seem calm, cool and collected. (I'd post the eye-rolling emoticon here but I've recently criticized you for acting like a teenaged girl so that's out, dammit.)
You should calm down and quit being so bitchy, lol.
Look, the reason I "backed off" is because it's too much trouble to "prove" that what I'm claiming about you is reasonable and also because some other folks who I like here sort of spoke up for you.
I'm not trying to follow you from thread to thread, paranoid guy. I post on a lot of threads in reply to a lot of folks. (You should know this after having looked through my post history, remember?) I'll probably reply to more of yours since I don't see you giving up your racist shtick any time soon.
And what's this "Ask the board" stuff? LOL. Weren't you just making a point about how what the majority thinks doesn't indicate jack shit? <THIS mofo was trying to lecture me about self-awareness? ::)>
BTW, why on earth do you think that I'm Al Doggity? I'm not. Isn't that a guy who's been on here a long time?
I've never posted here as anyone except RRKore.
Beach Bum did think I was someone else for a while when I first started posting here - I can't remember who, though and, unlike you, I'm not into searching through others' post histories.
Hope you're having a good day, ya race-baiter. I am.
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How anyone "reactions" to what you post? LOL. Info is being made available for adult?
Yeah, you seem calm, cool and collected. (I'd post the eye-rolling emoticon here but I've recently criticized you for acting like a teenaged girl so that's out, dammit.)
You should calm down and quit being so bitchy, lol.
Look, the reason I "backed off" is because it's too much trouble to "prove" that what I'm claiming about you is reasonable and also because some other folks who I like here sort of spoke up for you.
I'm not trying to follow you from thread to thread, paranoid guy. I post on a lot of threads in reply to a lot of folks. (You should know this after having looked through my post history, remember?) I'll probably reply to more of yours since I don't see you giving up your racist shtick any time soon.
And what's this "Ask the board" stuff? LOL. Weren't you just making a point about how what the majority thinks doesn't indicate jack shit? <THIS mofo was trying to lecture me about self-awareness? ::)>
BTW, why on earth do you think that I'm Al Doggity? I'm not. Isn't that a guy who's been on here a long time?
I've never posted here as anyone except RRKore.
Beach Bum did think I was someone else for a while when I first started posting here - I can't remember who, though and, unlike you, I'm not into searching through others' post histories.
Hope you're having a good day, ya race-baiter. I am.
I've been nothing but calm and collected. I'd like you to prove otherwise. Oh wait, you don't ever prove anything. Don't deny you've followed me from thread to thread. You can't help but reply. If that doesn't demonstrate how obsessed you. hijacking another thread to focus on me certainly does.
Again with the thread history lie. We know your a liar after denying you meant to call me pro-rape. One last time, I've never gone through your post history. I would admit it if I did. Unlike you I don't lie and make up stuff. If I did something I would admit it and would never back down like a coward and deny something I've done or said because I wasn't man enough to own up to it. . Paranoid? I'm not the one with such a sense of self importance he thinks he matters enough for someone to go through his post history. I never reply to you unless you've replied directly to one of my posts. Again, who is the obsessed weirdo stalker? It's obvious that would be you.
It's to much trouble to prove? Well isn't that inconveniently lazy of you. Racist Schick? You still have yet to prove it. I've been waiting on you for so long to prove your claims I'm about to give up.
And look how your attempt to label me a hypocrite backfired on you. As for the ask the board stuff, I brought it up because of how stupid you looked last time and how you groveled at the feet of Mawse for acceptance and validation. I'd like to see that again.
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I've been nothing but calm and collected. I'd like you to prove otherwise. Oh wait, you don't ever prove anything. Don't deny you've followed me from thread to thread. You can't help but reply. If that doesn't demonstrate how obsessed you. hijacking another thread to focus on me certainly does.
Again with the thread history lie. We know your a liar after denying you meant to call me pro-rape. One last time, I've never gone through your post history. I would admit it if I did. Unlike you I don't lie and make up stuff. If I did something I would admit it and would never back down like a coward and deny something I've done or said because I wasn't man enough to own up to it. . Paranoid? I'm not the one with such a sense of self importance he thinks he matters enough for someone to go through his post history. I never reply to you unless you've replied directly to one of my posts. Again, who is the obsessed weirdo stalker? It's obvious that would be you.
It's to much trouble to prove? Well isn't that inconveniently lazy of you. Racist Schick? You still have yet to prove it. I've been waiting on you for so long to prove your claims I'm about to give up.
And look how your attempt to label me a hypocrite backfired on you. As for the ask the board stuff, I brought it up because of how stupid you looked last time and how you groveled at the feet of Mawse for acceptance and validation. I'd like to see that again.
Yeah, all your typo's/misspellings certainly indicate that you're calm. ::)
Speaking of which, what's a "Racist Schick"? Some kind of razor that doesn't work on black folks? lol
Yeah, dude, you are coming off as paranoid. Do the rules of your world dictate that I need to prove that, too? (Am I maybe violating your rights to due process by not providing proof on command? lol)
All the rest of your post is just your regular stuff where you try to dictate your particular flavor of the unwritten rules of conduct (for OTHERS only, of course) and, sorry, but I poop on reject that.
I will say that your attempt at being provocative by saying that I groveled at Mawse's fee for acceptance is off-base; I simply give more respect and cut more slack to people here who seem to be real bodybuilders, that's all. (Also, I probably even know his face if he's been big into training in any of the Bay Area gyms in or around the city of Alameda from about '95 to '05.)
Unlike you, just because someone completely disagrees with my opinion or even my style it doesn't mean I have to declare jihad on them and try to contend that there must be something wrong with them.
It's my feeling that since this is a bodybuilding board, I try not to drive off or have personal conflicts with the folks here that seem to have real training, diet, or supplement wisdom to share no matter what they might say about me.
Not that you deserve my candidness in any way but I've been a real bodybuilder and bodybuilding fan for years and years and years so I figure that means that even though I might not have the same political orientation as some other real bodybuilders, our common interests will trump our differences and we'll be cool in the end.
Archer, I've noticed your posts on the G&O board but don't think I've seen anything from you on the Training or Steroid boards. Hope you don't mind me asking but are you into bodybuilding or any kind of iron sports?
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Yeah, all your typo's/misspellings certainly indicate that you're calm. ::)
Speaking of which, what's a "Racist Schick"? Some kind of razor that doesn't work on black folks? lol
Yeah, dude, you are coming off as paranoid. Do the rules of your world dictate that I need to prove that, too? (Am I maybe violating your rights to due process by not providing proof on command? lol)
All the rest of your post is just your regular stuff where you try to dictate your particular flavor of the unwritten rules of conduct (for OTHERS only, of course) and, sorry, but I poop on reject that.
I will say that your attempt at being provocative by saying that I groveled at Mawse's fee for acceptance is off-base; I simply give more respect and cut more slack to people here who seem to be real bodybuilders, that's all. (Also, I probably even know his face if he's been big into training in any of the Bay Area gyms in or around the city of Alameda from about '95 to '05.)
Unlike you, just because someone completely disagrees with my opinion or even my style it doesn't mean I have to declare jihad on them and try to contend that there must be something wrong with them.
It's my feeling that since this is a bodybuilding board, I try not to drive off or have personal conflicts with the folks here that seem to have real training, diet, or supplement wisdom to share no matter what they might say about me.
Not that you deserve my candidness in any way but I've been a real bodybuilder and bodybuilding fan for years and years and years so I figure that means that even though I might not have the same political orientation as some other real bodybuilders, our common interests will trump our differences and we'll be cool in the end.
Archer, I've noticed your posts on the G&O board but don't think I've seen anything from you on the Training or Steroid boards. Hope you don't mind me asking but are you into bodybuilding or any kind of iron sports?
I didn't bother reading all of this. I figure its your usual yelling at windmills. Here are the facts. You follow me around from thread to thread. You called me pro-rape and then lied about about saying it when challenged. The majority of your posts are passive-aggressive attacks and accusations you can't and won't prove. You hijack threads I post in to focus on me exclusively. I never reply to your posts unless they are directed at me. If you never responded to this post I would never even notice any of your posts. You know it's you who are obsessed. How you could ever come to the conclusion that it's I who am the obsessed stalker is beyond delusional. The only explanation is that you feel you need to say it to pump yourself up and feel like a man. No one believes it but you continue to say it over and over again.
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I didn't bother reading all of this. I figure its your usual yelling at windmills. Here are the facts. You follow me around from thread to thread. You called me pro-rape and then lied about about saying it when challenged. The majority of your posts are passive-aggressive attacks and accusations you can't and won't prove. You hijack threads I post in to focus on me exclusively. I never reply to your posts unless they are directed at me. If you never responded to this post I would never even notice any of your posts. You know it's you who are obsessed. How you could ever come to the conclusion that it's I who am the obsessed stalker is beyond delusional. The only explanation is that you feel you need to say it to pump yourself up and feel like a man. No one believes it but you continue to say it over and over again.
Whoa! One false "fact" at a time, please. lol
Follow you from thread to thread? How's about you prove that with some numbers, if you can?
How many threads have I "followed you" (i.e., replied to your posts) on?
And how many threads have you posted on since I first replied to you on that "unreported rapes" thread more than 2 months ago?
Seems to me that you post A LOT all day long. So complaining that I'm stalking you because I've replied to you on maybe 5 threads (or shit, even double that number) over a period of more than 2 months seems like a load of crap since it's likely that you often comment on more threads than that every day.
As an aside, if you do post a lot all day long, it's easy to see why you might make mistakes (in both grammar and logic) because you're not taking time to think very deeply about what you're writing. So there's that, I guess.
Anyway, I'll be impressed if you answer my direct questions related to the percentage of your threads that I've "followed you on" since we first engaged over 2 and half months ago.
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Whoa! One false "fact" at a time, please. lol
Follow you from thread to thread? How's about you prove that with some numbers, if you can?
How many threads have I "followed you" (i.e., replied to your posts) on?
And how many threads have you posted on since I first replied to you on that "unreported rapes" thread more than 2 months ago?
Seems to me that you post A LOT all day long. So complaining that I'm stalking you because I've replied to you on maybe 5 threads (or shit, even double that number) over a period of more than 2 months seems like a load of crap since it's likely that you often comment on more threads than that every day.
As an aside, if you do post a lot all day long, it's easy to see why you might make mistakes (in both grammar and logic) because you're not taking time to think very deeply about what you're writing. So there's that, I guess.
Anyway, I'll be impressed if you answer my direct questions related to the percentage of your threads that I've "followed you on" since we first engaged over 2 and half months ago.
The man who admitted being to lazy to prove anything is asking someone else to prove something? Oh the irony. This is the third thread youve hijacked to obsess over me. Yet, you continue to deny the obvious. We all know youre a liar and a coward. You're inability to admit your obsessive behavior comes as no surprise. I swear, you live in a state of denial.
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Whoa! One false "fact" at a time, please. lol
Follow you from thread to thread? How's about you prove that with some numbers, if you can?
How many threads have I "followed you" (i.e., replied to your posts) on?
And how many threads have you posted on since I first replied to you on that "unreported rapes" thread more than 2 months ago?
Seems to me that you post A LOT all day long. So complaining that I'm stalking you because I've replied to you on maybe 5 threads (or shit, even double that number) over a period of more than 2 months seems like a load of crap since it's likely that you often comment on more threads than that every day.
As an aside, if you do post a lot all day long, it's easy to see why you might make mistakes (in both grammar and logic) because you're not taking time to think very deeply about what you're writing. So there's that, I guess.
Anyway, I'll be impressed if you answer my direct questions related to the percentage of your threads that I've "followed you on" since we first engaged over 2 and half months ago.
I nearly forgot. For a guy who claims he isn't obsessed you seem to know my posting count and habits. Very weird.
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The man who admitted being to lazy to prove anything is asking someone else to prove something? Oh the irony. This is the third thread youve hijacked to obsess over me. Yet, you continue to deny the obvious. We all know youre a liar and a coward. You're inability to admit your obsessive behavior comes as no surprise. I swear, you live in a state of denial.
Partial dodge.
Like I said, your rules are for others-only.
C'mon, if what you're saying about me following you from thread to thread is true, then prove it.
So I've "followed you" on 3 threads in 2 and a half months, OK.
Now spill the rest, please: Approximately how many threads have you posted on in that time, would you say?
(This is easily ascertainable in minutes by looking in your post history, btw, but I'm going to be as good as my word by not being stalker-ish and looking myself.)
What's the deal with not answering? It can't be that you exaggerated because everyone does that from time to time, right?
Is it that you're embarrassed about how large the number would be if you gave an accurate count of how many threads you've posted on? (Jeez, it's probably not that big; It's not like I asked you the number of posts, just the number of threads.)
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Partial dodge.
Like I said, your rules are for others-only.
C'mon, if what you're saying about me following you from thread to thread is true, then prove it.
So I've "followed you" on 3 threads in 2 and a half months, OK.
Now spill the rest, please: Approximately how many threads have you posted on in that time, would you say?
(This is easily ascertainable in minutes by looking in your post history, btw, but I'm going to be as good as my word by not being stalker-ish and looking myself.)
What's the deal with not answering? It can't be that you exaggerated because everyone does that from time to time, right?
Is it that you're embarrassed about how large the number would be if you gave an accurate count of how many threads you've posted on? (Jeez, it's probably not that big; It's not like I asked you the number of posts, just the number of threads.)
Youre obviously trying to divert the conversation away from your obsessive behavior, lying and cowardice. That is the point of your questions and you know it. You arent interested in my answers. You want the focus off you. Youve tried this pathetic tactic multiple times starting with your bizarre and unrelated comments on being a better bodybuilder. You tried it again today by trying to reroute the conversation when you asked me about training a few posts above.
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Youre obviously trying to divert the conversation away from your obsessive behavior, lying and cowardice. That is the point of your questions and you know it. You arent interested in my answers. You want the focus off you. Youve tried this pathetic tactic multiple times starting with your bizarre and unrelated comments on being a better bodybuilder. You tried it again today by trying to reroute the conversation when you asked me about training a few posts above.
If you think that diversion is my motivation then why not quickly answer the question of how many threads you've posted on in the last 10 weeks (during which I've replied to you on 3 threads) to back up your false charge of me following you from thread to thread and be done with it? (I can think of a few reasons why, lol.)
Truth seems to be that spouting false-hoods and half-truths and then trying to avoid losing face by admitting you were wrong by alleging whatever under the sun is a big part of what you're about. (Maybe you ARE a bodybuilder -- some of them are known to quickly and irreversibly get adversarial in the bitchy the way you do, lol.)
And didn't you say a while back that you're not too proud to admit when you're wrong? More BS? Because that really doesn't seem to be the case. -- And I'm not just talking about you not admitting that you're exaggerating when trying to say that I'm "following you from thread to thread." What I'm referring to is when you were trying to criticize me for not "backing up my statements" when I apologized for calling you a pro-rapist (or whatever). Does that really sound like something someone would say jf he really feels that admitting he's wrong when he's wrong is the right thing to do? lol
You, my friend, seem to be prone to self-contradiction. --- Just like when you attributed Mike Brown's actions to his mental state (his "anxiety") in one post and then, in the very next post, criticized 240 for supposing that he knew the mental state of the cop Wilson. (TrueGrit was not involved, amigo.)
Troll or not, you are kind of a jackass, Archer.
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If you think that diversion is my motivation then why not quickly answer the question of how many threads you've posted on in the last 10 weeks (during which I've replied to you on 3 threads) to back up your false charge of me following you from thread to thread and be done with it? (I can think of a few reasons why, lol.)
Truth seems to be that spouting false-hoods and half-truths and then trying to avoid losing face by admitting you were wrong by alleging whatever under the sun is a big part of what you're about. (Maybe you ARE a bodybuilder -- some of them are known to quickly and irreversibly get adversarial in the bitchy the way you do, lol.)
And didn't you say a while back that you're not too proud to admit when you're wrong? More BS? Because that really doesn't seem to be the case. -- And I'm not just talking about you not admitting that you're exaggerating when trying to say that I'm "following you from thread to thread." What I'm referring to is when you were trying to criticize me for not "backing up my statements" when I apologized for calling you a pro-rapist (or whatever). Does that really sound like something someone would say jf he really feels that admitting he's wrong when he's wrong is the right thing to do? lol
You, my friend, seem to be prone to self-contradiction. --- Just like when you attributed Mike Brown's actions to his mental state (his "anxiety") in one post and then, in the very next post, criticized 240 for supposing that he knew the mental state of the cop Wilson. (TrueGrit was not involved, amigo.)
Troll or not, you are kind of a jackass, Archer.
Youre the king of false-hoods and half-truths. Bringing up the 240 thread again I see. Yes TrueGrit was involved. He was the one who accused me of being a hypocrite. He also admitted he understood what I was doing. Ill give you credit, you keep at something no matter how many times it fails.
I'm not an ass at all. If you spent less time being hostile, confrontational and making shit up you would see that. You let your emotions get the best of you and you react by going on the attack. If you were honest with yourself you would acknowledge the hostility originates from you not me. I'm actually pretty reasonable and enjoy having a good debate.
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Youre the king of false-hoods and half-truths. Bringing up the 240 thread again I see. Yes TrueGrit was involved. He was the one who accused me of being a hypocrite. He also admitted he understood what I was doing. Ill give you credit, you keep at something no matter how many times it fails.
I'm not an ass at all. If you spent less time being hostile, confrontational and making shit up you would see that. You let your emotions get the best of you and you react by going on the attack. If you were honest with yourself you would acknowledge the hostility originates from you not me. I'm actually pretty reasonable and enjoy having a good debate.
It's possible I may have missed anyone calling you a hypocrite later on in the thread in question. All I saw was the 2 posts consecutive posts by you that did make you seem like a hypocrite.
Hmmm. Ya got me there; I'll admit to being overly hostile and emotional sometimes. I blame the tren, lol.
I'd offer to call a truce here but then you'll just accuse me of being a pussy. D'ohh!! LOL
Probably I SHOULD read your post history -- That's actually how I made peace with Tony -- I read his post history and realized he's pretty OK, just a little emotional when provoked (like a couple of folks I know, lol).
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It's possible I may have missed anyone calling you a hypocrite later on in the thread in question. All I saw was the 2 posts consecutive posts by you that did make you seem like a hypocrite.
Hmmm. Ya got me there; I'll admit to being overly hostile and emotional sometimes. I blame the tren, lol.
I'd offer to call a truce here but then you'll just accuse me of being a pussy. D'ohh!! LOL
Probably I SHOULD read your post history -- That's actually how I made peace with Tony -- I read his post history and realized he's pretty OK, just a little emotional when provoked (like a couple of folks I know, lol).
No need for a truce. All water under the bridge. I apologize for any inappropriate personal remarks I've made. Who says there can't be peace in the middle east
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No need for a truce. All water under the bridge. I apologize for any inappropriate personal remarks I've made. Who says there can't be peace in the middle east
Did you just call me a Jew? Or a Palestinian? LOL
Seriously, no apologies necessary on your part but big of you to offer anyway.
Really, the fault's all mine for overreacting just because you sometimes don't always see the need to write with a whole lot of sensitivity on GetBig -- which is well within the bounds of appropriateness (is that a word?) considering the rough and tumble nature here.
(Makes me laugh when I really think about it; I mean, c'mon, I'm complaining about someone not having enough sensitivity while questioning why blacks might have the problems they do only a hop, skip and jump away from where folks are razzing Booty for LP taking a dump on her chest? LOL)
Anyway, have a good day. And I mean it this time.
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Cop Accused Of Allowing Dog To Urinate On Michael Brown Memorial
Inquisitor ^ | 08/28/2014
Posted on August 28, 2014 at 3:53:16 PM EDT by Responsibility2nd
Following the recent fatal shooting of Michael Brown by police officer Darren Wilson, racial tensions in Ferguson have been higher than ever.
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According to the report, an officer let the dog he was handling off it’s leash and, to the shock of the onlookers there, it allegedly urinated on the Michael Brown memorial. An eyewitness spoke to reporters at the scene telling them that she saw the dog pee on the memorial and was extremely distraught about it.
When police tried to drive past the memorial they allegedly ran over the flowers of the memorial in a flagrant display of disrespect.
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Yeah, all your typo's/misspellings certainly indicate that you're calm. ::)
Speaking of which, what's a "Racist Schick"? Some kind of razor that doesn't work on black folks? lol
ROTFLOL!!!
That made me spit my Iced Tea all over the top of my desk. Now I've got the hiccups. ;D
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Cop Accused Of Allowing Dog To Urinate On Michael Brown Memorial
Inquisitor ^ | 08/28/2014
Posted on August 28, 2014 at 3:53:16 PM EDT by Responsibility2nd
Following the recent fatal shooting of Michael Brown by police officer Darren Wilson, racial tensions in Ferguson have been higher than ever.
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According to the report, an officer let the dog he was handling off it’s leash and, to the shock of the onlookers there, it allegedly urinated on the Michael Brown memorial. An eyewitness spoke to reporters at the scene telling them that she saw the dog pee on the memorial and was extremely distraught about it.
When police tried to drive past the memorial they allegedly ran over the flowers of the memorial in a flagrant display of disrespect.
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I'm sure that will really go a long way to establishing trust and regaining respect in that community...NOT!
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ROTFLOL!!!
That made me spit my Iced Tea all over the top of my desk. Now I've got the hiccups. ;D
Its almost as funny as you copy-pasting something off of someones facebook and claiming its your own inside source. That was hilarious.
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Did you just call me a Jew? Or a Palestinian? LOL
Seriously, no apologies necessary on your part but big of you to offer anyway.
Really, the fault's all mine for overreacting just because you sometimes don't always see the need to write with a whole lot of sensitivity on GetBig -- which is well within the bounds of appropriateness (is that a word?) considering the rough and tumble nature here.
(Makes me laugh when I really think about it; I mean, c'mon, I'm complaining about someone not having enough sensitivity while questioning why blacks might have the problems they do only a hop, skip and jump away from where folks are razzing Booty for LP taking a dump on her chest? LOL)
Anyway, have a good day. And I mean it this time.
Buddy, you can choose, Jew or Muslim. To answer a question you asked earlier, I do train and I have made posts in the roid and training boards. I was given my first weight set at about twelve. I watched Lee Haney's morning exercise show every morning before school. I trained consistently for years. I attained a max bench of 525. I know there is a inclination to dismiss my claims but I promise I'm telling the truth. I also got a little pudgy in my quest for epic strength.
I was diagnosed with a degenerative form of arthritis shortly before I turned thirty. I still train regularly but I focus primarily on maintaining strength. My spine has thinned and I need to maintain the strength of my muscle to offset the weakened spine. I've lost about an inch in height. After I changed my training I went from around 250 to right around 200 depending on what holiday I'm near.
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Buddy, you can choose, Jew or Muslim. To answer a question you asked earlier, I do train and I have made posts in the roid and training boards. I was given my first weight set at about twelve. I watched Lee Haney's morning exercise show every morning before school. I trained consistently for years. I attained a max bench of 525. I know there is a inclination to dismiss my claims but I promise I'm telling the truth. I also got a little pudgy in my quest for epic strength.
I was diagnosed with a degenerative form of arthritis shortly before I turned thirty. I still train regularly but I focus primarily on maintaining strength. My spine has thinned and I need to maintain the strength of my muscle to offset the weakened spine. I've lost about an inch in height. After I changed my training I went from around 250 to right around 200 depending on what holiday I'm near.
Kudos. That's a bigger bench than I've ever sniffed. (465 for me, though I can't do a flat BB bench at all anymore...)
Always liked Lee Haney. I went to a joint seminar of his (with Shawn Ray and Diana Dennis) before an old San Jose pro show a long time ago back when he was training Evander Holyfield. (When he was asked if Evander could ever be a bodybuilder he answered in his pretty thick southern accent, "'Vander got a purty good uppa body but he got the legs of chicken!")
Sucks about your health condition -- Is it a totally genetic (and not training-related) thing? I suppose you've considered treating it with all manner of, uh, supplements that hardcore gym folks might use...
I've taken a couple career-related years' long breaks in training but in my old age I've found that unless I'm training at least half-seriously, I have chronic pain in seemingly all the old injuries I've ever had but especially my right shoulder, lower back and both calves. I recently partially tore my left calf doing (heavy) freakin' BB bent rows, ferfucksake.
Anyway, good to know you're a real GetBigger -- I have my doubts about a lot of the people here.
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Kudos. That's a bigger bench than I've ever sniffed. (465 for me, though I can't do a flat BB bench at all anymore...)
Always liked Lee Haney. I went to a joint seminar of his (with Shawn Ray and Diana Dennis) before an old San Jose pro show a long time ago back when he was training Evander Holyfield. (When he was asked if Evander could ever be a bodybuilder he answered in his pretty thick southern accent, "'Vander got a purty good uppa body but he got the legs of chicken!")
Sucks about your health condition -- Is it a totally genetic (and not training-related) thing? I suppose you've considered treating it with all manner of, uh, supplements that hardcore gym folks might use...
I've taken a couple career-related years' long breaks in training but in my old age I've found that unless I'm training at least half-seriously, I have chronic pain in seemingly all the old injuries I've ever had but especially my right shoulder, lower back and both calves. I recently partially tore my left calf doing (heavy) freakin' BB bent rows, ferfucksake.
Anyway, good to know you're a real GetBigger -- I have my doubts about a lot of the people here.
465 is more than respectable. I've laid off the flat bench myself. When I do flat bench I use much less weight. In tore my labrum playing baseball in high school and it bothered me for years. A few years back I took a spill on ice, pulled by shoulder back and tore the labrum completely off. I had surgery for it and that has helped a lot. Even after rehabilitation I don't have the same level of mobility but the pain is gone completely. Have you had your shoulder checked out? The calf injury sounds horrific. Ouch, brother. I hope it heals quickly.
My arthritis is totally a genetic thing. The worse part is not being able to play my guitar like I used to. As for supplementation, I have in the past but not for several years.
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I have a serious question. Do you REALLY think blacks are treated as bad as Sharpton, Jackson say they are?
Married Police Officers Charged With
Killing Daughter’s Black Boyfriend
Shannon and Gina Kelper of Tulsa, Okla., have been charged
in the shooting death of Jeremy Lake.
BY: DIAMOND SHARP
Posted: Aug. 7 2014 1:20 PM
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Shannon and Gina Kelper
COURTESY OF TULSA COUNTY JAIL/NEWS ON 6
Tulsa, Okla., police officers Shannon Kepler and his wife, Gina Kelper, were arrested for the shooting death of Jeremy Lake, their daughter’s boyfriend.
News on 6 reports that Lake was walking with the Keplers’ daughter when the couple was approached by Shannon in an SUV. The daughter told police that she approached her father and he asked what she was doing in the area. Lake then approached the car to introduce himself, and witnesses report that Kepler then shot Lake two or three times. He allegedly also shot at his daughter but missed.
When contacted by police, Gina Kepler reportedly told them that she was aware of why they were calling but she and her husband were not home. After what News on 6 describes as an “extended period of time,” Gina called the police and agreed to surrender.
Tulsa police told News on 6 that the Keplers, who have been with the department 24 years, have both been placed on administrative leave. Shannon was arrested for first-degree murder, and Gina for accessory to murder after the fact.
Seems Jeremy Lake met the Keplars daughter while volunteering at a homeless center.
Moral of the story: Don't pick up strays, ...and don'tr let them follow you home.
Because I just read an article not too long ago that whites were the new minority in this country and the last I heard we had a fake president that was black that loves to play the race card.
NewsFlash: White have ALWAYS been a minority in the USA... from the moment they landed on Plymouth Rock!
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Married Police Officers Charged With
Killing Daughter’s Black Boyfriend
Shannon and Gina Kelper of Tulsa, Okla., have been charged
in the shooting death of Jeremy Lake.
BY: DIAMOND SHARP
Posted: Aug. 7 2014 1:20 PM
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Shannon and Gina Kelper
COURTESY OF TULSA COUNTY JAIL/NEWS ON 6
Tulsa, Okla., police officers Shannon Kepler and his wife, Gina Kelper, were arrested for the shooting death of Jeremy Lake, their daughter’s boyfriend.
News on 6 reports that Lake was walking with the Keplers’ daughter when the couple was approached by Shannon in an SUV. The daughter told police that she approached her father and he asked what she was doing in the area. Lake then approached the car to introduce himself, and witnesses report that Kepler then shot Lake two or three times. He allegedly also shot at his daughter but missed.
When contacted by police, Gina Kepler reportedly told them that she was aware of why they were calling but she and her husband were not home. After what News on 6 describes as an “extended period of time,” Gina called the police and agreed to surrender.
Tulsa police told News on 6 that the Keplers, who have been with the department 24 years, have both been placed on administrative leave. Shannon was arrested for first-degree murder, and Gina for accessory to murder after the fact.
Seems Jeremy Lake met the Keplars daughter while volunteering at a homeless center.
Moral of the story: Don't pick up strays, ...and don'tr let them follow you home.
NewsFlash: White have ALWAYS been a minority in the USA... from the moment they landed on Plymouth Rock!
One example. I could give you plenty. Heres one. My brother who is a police officer arrived at the scene to discover a black male had intentionally drowned the white infant son of his girlfriend in boiling water because he hated that the kid was white.. You are so damn dumb and your a crook. Anything you say is meaningless. Whyndont ypu take your gold and go, back to africa if you hate the west so much. At the very least give them some of that gold
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One example. I could give you plenty. Heres one. My brother who is a police officer arrived at the scene to discover a black male had intentionally drowned the white infant son of his girlfriend in boiling water because he hated that the kid was white.. You are so damn dumb and your a crook. Anything you say is meaningless. Whyndont ypu take your gold and go, back to africa if you hate the west so much. At the very least give them some of that gold
Go back to Africa? LOL That's a new one? No Archer, you're not a racist. Not with comments like that. ::)
Who said I hate the West? What I hate, are racist cops who exercise the power of life & death over innocent people.
As for your anecdotal story, ...never heard of the incident. I don't condone the murder of innocents, however I have to ask, ...if it is a true story, are you sure he hated the kid because he was white, ...or because he was cuckolded, ...and who drowns someone in boiling water? A bit overkill dontcha think?
As for the company I'm involved with and their product offerings... it's as legit as it gets.
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NYPD Officer: "I Fried Another Ni**er
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NYPD Officer: "I Fried Another Ni**er
Your problem is you focus only on the bad cops. For every bad cop there are hundreds that help people and That have been killed by scum whoes live you hold so dear.
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Your problem is you focus only on the bad cops. For every bad cop there are hundreds that help people and That have been killed by scum whoes live you hold so dear.
Actually I don't. Those who know me well, know I constantly support, respect and admire good cops who do their jobs professionally. What I do hear is refute and debunk, and bust delusional bubbles of those who fail to recognize there is a serious problem that needs to be addressed. It's not going away, and failing to acknowledge it, and deal with it, only exacerbates the problem, and makes it far more difficult to deal with down the road. Willful blindness however often reminds of the words of Martin Niemöller. You're all seeing it unfold before your very eyes... but the cognitive dissonance is unreal.
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Actually I don't. Those who know me well, know I constantly support, respect and admire good cops who do their jobs professionally. What I do hear is refute and debunk, and bust delusional bubbles of those who fail to recognize there is a serious problem that needs to be addressed. It's not going away, and failing to acknowledge it, and deal with it, only exacerbates the problem, and makes it far more difficult to deal with down the road. Willful blindness however often reminds of the words of Martin Niemöller. You're all seeing it unfold before your very eyes... but the cognitive dissonance is unreal.
There is a problem, but you fail to address it. The problem is the black community. They glorify being a thug and M. brown is a perfect example of that. They blame veryone for their failures exept themselves and call anyone that speaks out against them racist or an uncle tom.. I have lived in some rough places, and I have seen it first hand.
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There is a problem, but you fail to address it. The problem is the black community. They glorify being a thug and M. brown is a perfect example of that. They blame veryone for their failures exept themselves and call anyone that speaks out against them racist or an uncle tom.. I have lived in some rough places, and I have seen it first hand.
I disagree, ...although I'm sure you'd be very happy to enlighten me, and tell me all about the Black comunity,
I'll pass Thankyouverymuch. I doubt there is anything about the "Black community" that I'm not aware of.
Have a nice night. :)
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I disagree, ...although I'm sure you'd be very happy to enlighten me, and tell me all about the Black comunity,
I'll pass Thankyouverymuch. I doubt there is anything about the "Black community" that I'm not aware of.
Have a nice night. :)
As you say, Willful blindness.
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As you say, Willful blindness.
If you say so. ;)
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Go back to Africa? LOL That's a new one? No Archer, you're not a racist. Not with comments like that. ::)
Who said I hate the West? What I hate, are racist cops who exercise the power of life & death over innocent people.
As for your anecdotal story, ...never heard of the incident. I don't condone the murder of innocents, however I have to ask, ...if it is a true story, are you sure he hated the kid because he was white, ...or because he was cuckolded, ...and who drowns someone in boiling water? A bit overkill dontcha think?
As for the company I'm involved with and their product offerings... it's as legit as it gets.
He hated the kid because he was white you dumb ass crook. She had the kid before they dated. Why don't you look at crime stats to understand what's really happening. I find it a bit ironic a Sharpton and farrakhan supporter calling others racist.
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I disagree, ...although I'm sure you'd be very happy to enlighten me, and tell me all about the Black comunity,
I'll pass Thankyouverymuch. I doubt there is anything about the "Black community" that I'm not aware of.
Have a nice night. :)
There is a ton you don't know, dumb ass crook. You're part of the problem. Maybe telling you to go back to Africa was harsh. Should I have said go back to jail?
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Go back to Africa? LOL That's a new one? No Archer, you're not a racist. Not with comments like that. ::)
Who said I hate the West? What I hate, are racist cops who exercise the power of life & death over innocent people.
As for your anecdotal story, ...never heard of the incident. I don't condone the murder of innocents, however I have to ask, ...if it is a true story, are you sure he hated the kid because he was white, ...or because he was cuckolded, ...and who drowns someone in boiling water? A bit overkill dontcha think?
As for the company I'm involved with and their product offerings... it's as legit as it gets.
LOL at the arrogance you have to call another poster racist....you are one of the most racist posters on this board you dumb ass
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There is a problem, but you fail to address it. The problem is the black community. They glorify being a thug and M. brown is a perfect example of that. They blame veryone for their failures exept themselves and call anyone that speaks out against them racist or an uncle tom.. I have lived in some rough places, and I have seen it first hand.
I disagree, ...although I'm sure you'd be very happy to enlighten me, and tell me all about the Black comunity,
I'll pass Thankyouverymuch. I doubt there is anything about the "Black community" that I'm not aware of.
Martin Niemöller. You're all seeing it unfold before your very eyes... but the cognitive dissonance is unreal.
oh the fucking irony of this arrogant racist
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oh the fucking irony of this arrogant racist
She's the type of idiot who believes any conspiracy theory she hears that fights her world view. Like a lot of conspiracy nut jobs she thinks shes figured it all out but in reality knows nothing about the world. It's people like her who sit idly by while 1,400 children are raped.
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He hated the kid because he was white you dumb ass crook. She had the kid before they dated. Why don't you look at crime stats to understand what's really happening. I find it a bit ironic a Sharpton and Farrakhan supporter calling others racist.
And I was supposed to know this how? By Osmosis. I simply went off the scant and wholey inconclusive anecdote you presented. And since when did I become a Sharpton or Farrakhan supporter? If not jumping on a bandwagon to hate someone, if speaking the truth about a person in the face of lies told about them makes me a supporter of theirs, ...then I guess by that logic I am. I prefer to think of myself as someone who'd rather tell the truth about a person than try to vilify them to conform to someone else's agenda. If they're as bad as people say, that will be clear, ...no need to heap slanderous libel on their heads,
You seem a little sensitive tonight... more so than usual... what gives? ???
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And I was supposed to know this how? By Osmosis. I simply went off the scant and wholey inconclusive anecdote you presented. And since when did I become a Sharpton or Farrakhan supporter? If not jumping on a bandwagon to hate someone, if speaking the truth about a person in the face of lies told about them makes me a supporter of theirs, ...then I guess by that logic I am. I prefer to think of myself as someone who'd rather tell the truth about a person than try to vilify them to conform to someone else's agenda. If they're as bad as people say, that will be clear, ...no need to heap slanderous libel on their heads,
You seem a little sensitive tonight... more so than usual... what gives? ???
You wouldnt know truth if it came up and bit you on the ass. You only believe what you want to believe. Every thought and belief inside that rotten criminal brain of yours is warped by your paranoid delusions. Any fact that does not conform to your agenda is ignored, discarded or vilified. How dare you claim you care anything about the truth.
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Looks like you struck again you dumb KUNT! What is it with blacks and boiling water? Could it be that its the last invention black people made before they left Africa. I hope this never happens to you.
http://www.newsnet5.com/news/local-news/cleveland-metro/uncle-of-slain-2-year-old-girl-speaks-to-newschannel5
Police have not released the circumstances around Li'Aisha's death but the prosecutor said in court Tuesday that Moorer had been scalded and sexually assaulted.