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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: calfzilla on October 06, 2014, 03:41:46 PM
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No homo. Just tired of eating so much meat to get my 200 grams of protein in. Usually do about 1 or 2 shakes. Can't I just bump up the shakes without losing out too much?
I remember a getbigger (OTH or disgusted) said when he was roofing he would drink about 6 shakes day and was able to build muscle.
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You only need around 100 grams of protein.
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Try my gorilla diet you will get big and strong.
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You only need around 100 grams of protein.
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This, massively overrated.
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No homo. Just tired of eating so much meat to get my 200 grams of protein in. Usually do about 1 or 2 shakes. Can't I just bump up the shakes without losing out too much?
I remember a getbigger (OTH or disgusted) said when he was roofing he would drink about 6 shakes day and was able to build muscle.
Its all the same bullshit. Even if you cut out a meal or two and add in a few shakes it won't make a difference. Youre not competing, so whatever.
And there are many non-meat products that have protein. Have you learned nothing from Johnny Falcon? :-[ :-[
As for the shakes, I just dont mix protein powder with water. I add stuff in it. Usually protein powder, milk, banana, strawberries and kale or spinach. You dont even taste the kale or spinach and you get a serving of greens.
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You only need around 100 grams of protein.
Glad to read this if true.
@sf1900 I usually just mix mine with almond milk in a shaker bottle. If I blend it I will throw in some peanut butter, sometimes a banana but I usually buy chocolate so I prefer the peanut butter.
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Two of the bigger guys around here, Groink and Simon, aren't believers in high protein being necessary for muscle building.
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Glad to read this if true.
@sf1900 I usually just mix mine with almond milk in a shaker bottle. If I blend it I will throw in some peanut butter, sometimes a banana but I usually buy chocolate so I prefer the peanut butter.
Well, like I said, you can throw in other ingredients so it resembles more of a "meal."
Drinking just the protein powder with milk is not too filling.
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No homo. Just tired of eating so much meat to get my 200 grams of protein in. Usually do about 1 or 2 shakes. Can't I just bump up the shakes without losing out too much?
I remember a getbigger (OTH or disgusted) said when he was roofing he would drink about 6 shakes day and was able to build muscle.
Pussy.
Out.
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You only need around 100 grams of protein.
Depends. Users would be smart to use more, as they can absorb/use more than a natural.
Note: but not at the rediculous levels that some people claim.
Phil Heath could easily maintain his physique on 250-300 grams of protein.
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Depends. Users would be smart to use more, as they can absorb/use more than a natural.
Note: but not at the rediculous levels that some people claim.
Phil Heath could easily maintain his physique on 250-300 grams of protein.
When we want to know which rum gets you drunk the fastest and the best way to drink vodka you are the expert but shut up about diet and nutrition.
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You only need around 100 grams of protein.
Even less IMO than 100, but right on
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Its all the same bullshit. Even if you cut out a meal or two and add in a few shakes it won't make a difference. Youre not competing, so whatever.
And there are many non-meat products that have protein. Have you learned nothing from Johnny Falcon? :-[ :-[
As for the shakes, I just dont mix protein powder with water. I add stuff in it. Usually protein powder, milk, banana, strawberries and kale or spinach. You dont even taste the kale or spinach and you get a serving of greens.
Consider adding orange clay from a 2' depth to this recipe for new gains.
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Consider adding orange clay from a 2' depth to this recipe for new gains.
Do we need to electrify it first?
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another bunch of broscience bullshit about how meat is better than powder.
does anyone really think ANY protein source is better than another? do you think your body says 'hmm this isn't isolate' or 'this isn't chicken breast' ?
all protein is same.
as for amounts I have never noticed a difference between 250 and 150 when I diet.
we eat too much protein, and it is all the same at the end of the day. I knows some people's entire existence will be shattered to hear that- they need some proteins to be better than others. lol sorry to disappoint
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another bunch of broscience bullshit about how meat is better than powder.
does anyone really think ANY protein source is better than another? do you think your body says 'hmm this isn't isolate' or 'this isn't chicken breast' ?
all protein is same.
as for amounts I have never noticed a difference between 250 and 150 when I diet.
we eat too much protein, and it is all the same at the end of the day. I knows some people's entire existence will be shattered to hear that- they need some proteins to be better than others. lol sorry to disappoint
You are wrong the body does know the difference protein like whey isolate is not ideal to drink as protein replacement because it digest too fast you are better off eating a steak.
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You are wrong the body does know the difference protein like whey isolate is not ideal to drink as protein replacement because it digest too fast you are better off eating a steak.
I don't get the logic though trainer.
If the body can hypothetically say only consume 20
Grams of protein a serving (a bro science rumor
I've heard a lot-- I do not know the exact number that is true)
Then why do these whey isolate
Companies have 60 gram servings etc?
I really do believe a calorie is just a calorie
And we as a whole over eat far too much. I once did too when I was on hgh and didn't realize how puffy I looked
My point is... I believe you can eat 1 meal a day and get all you need
Or 5
As long as the calories are equal
It doesn't matter
So why would the body recognize this protein difference.
Please explain. I literally don't understand and
Am not
Trolling
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You are wrong the body does know the difference protein like whey isolate is not ideal to drink as protein replacement because it digest too fast you are better off eating a steak.
Modern humans consume way too much meat. Our stomachs are built to digest fruits and vegetables far better.
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A whole lotta opinions masquerading as fact ITT.
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Modern humans consume way too much meat. Our stomachs are built to digest fruits and vegetables far better.
Exactly people are too hung up on meat protein, you can get a lot of protein from beans, nuts and seeds.
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another bunch of broscience bullshit about how meat is better than powder.
does anyone really think ANY protein source is better than another? do you think your body says 'hmm this isn't isolate' or 'this isn't chicken breast' ?
all protein is same.
as for amounts I have never noticed a difference between 250 and 150 when I diet.
we eat too much protein, and it is all the same at the end of the day. I knows some people's entire existence will be shattered to hear that- they need some proteins to be better than others. lol sorry to disappoint
No one--forget about our bullshit war of words before
I'm interested in what both you and TA are saying.
For someone your size (we're both roughly the same size plus minis whatever ) how many grams of protein a day do you think we need? Being that I'm on hrt dose test w a bit of tren ace as well (all minimal).
? Thanks
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You are wrong the body does know the difference protein like whey isolate is not ideal to drink as protein replacement because it digest too fast you are better off eating a steak.
shut up you fucking retard.
isn't it time to bathe your mother Bluto?
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shut up you fucking retard.
isn't it time to bathe your mother Bluto?
I was sayin he was Bluto adamantly last month
Nobody seemed to agree
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No one--forget about our bullshit war of words before
I'm interested in what both you and TA are saying.
For someone your size (we're both roughly the same size plus minis whatever ) how many grams of protein a day do you think we need? Being that I'm on hrt dose test w a bit of tren ace as well (all minimal).
? Thanks
dude to be honest the past year or more I stopped counting protein. I know for fact most days I wasn't 150 maybe barely 100. coincidently I was using less than half the mgs anabolics wise than the year before and it was the best my physique has looked. I focus more on cals than i do on macros.
I'll take heat for this but even an anabolics user doesn't need to amounts of protein they take in. I'd be more than happy taking in 150g a day and wouldn't feel like I'm shortchanging fuck all.
in fact I feel better on lower protein. I pay very close attention to how I feel and on low protein I just feel better.
the only caveat to this would be peptide users.
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Two of the bigger guys around here, Groink and Simon, aren't believers in high protein being necessary for muscle building.
Exactly, you either have the genetics or you don`t, it`s as simple as that.
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You might not need 300 grams of protein, but only 100 or less?
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No homo. Just tired of eating so much meat to get my 200 grams of protein in. Usually do about 1 or 2 shakes. Can't I just bump up the shakes without losing out too much?
I remember a getbigger (OTH or disgusted) said when he was roofing he would drink about 6 shakes day and was able to build muscle.
That was OTH. Just eat some eggs. 200 grams is not too much and should be easy to get.
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The body can not assimilate any amount of protein at one time.
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You might not need 300 grams of protein, but only 100 or less?
You could answer this yourself the other way around: why do you need more than 100?
Pros claim huge numbers here. Do we know what they really eat? I bet no. If MuscleTech was paying your rent and your wife's post-op therapy you'd probably tell everyone they need 2g/lb too.
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The body can not assimilate any amount of protein at one time.
???
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Doesn't the body take in a certain amount of protein, then you just piss and shit the rest out? That was always my assumption.
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http://chaosandpain.blogspot.com/2014/10/the-simplicity-of-dieting-it-really-is.html (http://chaosandpain.blogspot.com/2014/10/the-simplicity-of-dieting-it-really-is.html)
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The body assimilates protein over time not at one time. All this talk about how much protein can the body absorb at one once, 20 grams 50 grams. Let me ask you, if someone eats 20 grams of protein and the other eats 80 what happens with each of these two guys?
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The body assimilates protein over time not at one time. All this talk about how much protein can the body absorb at one once, 20 grams 50 grams. Let me ask you, if someone eats 20 grams of protein and the other eats 80 what happens with each of these two guys?
the same thing.
guy A eats 125 grams of protein in one meal, which happens to be his goal for that day.
guy B eats 5 meals of 25 grams of protein for 125g daily which happens to be his goal for the day.
the body utilises the protein in both instances equally if it is needed.
but now I get what you were saying.
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Doesn't the body take in a certain amount of protein, then you just piss and shit the rest out? That was always my assumption.
depends on it's needs.
imo the body will hoard protein much the same way it does water after a severe water depletion. the body loves stasis and will do everything it can to maintain that environment.
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So the ultimate question !!!!!! :
How much PROTEIN one should be eating? :D
personally I believe in frequent small meals - when I eat 2-3 times a day I don't grow :( up the dose? fake oils?
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the same thing.
guy A eats 125 grams of protein in one meal, which happens to be his goal for that day.
guy B eats 5 meals of 25 grams of protein for 125g daily which happens to be his goal for the day.
the body utilises the protein in both instances equally if it is needed.
but now I get what you were saying.
Exactly brother! One meal or many it doesn't matter. Serge Nubret ate like this during his contest cycle and thrived on it. Of course it will take longer to digest that's the only difference. Like I said, over time.
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Exactly brother! One meal or many it doesn't matter. Serge Nubret ate like this during his contest cycle and thrived on it. Of course it will take longer to digest that's the only difference. Like I said, over time.
Not sure if we should believe what S. Nubret was saying... his constant claims being 100% natty was way too much in 300+ bb.com thread.
And to think about it - if it was true why we don't see people do it these days? one big meal a day and that's it.... I have never ever saw this practice in bb community.
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Not sure if we should believe what S. Nubret was saying... his constant claims being 100% natty was way too much in 300+ bb.com thread.
And to think about it - if it was true why we don't see people do it these days? one big meal a day and that's it.... I have never ever saw this practice in bb community.
First I've corresponded with Serge before he died through email. I also read every post he has ever written on I believe Ironage. By the time Serge was answering questions on that site he was well into his 60's. Serge was no at all comfortable answering steroid questions to what at times I'm sure were young kids. I don't blame him at all for claiming natural. Serge trained guys at the gym and of course he was going to talk to them about cycles behind closed doors and to adults but to put yourself out there like most younger guys today imo would have been irresponsible. There are plenty of places to talk drugs and "educate" oneself and find the magic cycle that will turn one into a muscle God.
I've been around a long time and I have tried all different diets including eating once a day. Personally twice per day worked best for me. I used eggs and meat back in the day. It's all about discipline!! Most guys have little to none when it comes to eating.
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First I've corresponded with Serge before he died through email. I also read every post he has ever written on I believe Ironage. By the time Serge was answering questions on that site he was well into his 60's. Serge was no at all comfortable answering steroid questions to what at times I'm sure were young kids. I don't blame him at all for claiming natural. Serge trained guys at the gym and of course he was going to talk to them about cycles behind closed doors and to adults but to put yourself out there like most younger guys today imo would have been irresponsible. There are plenty of places to talk drugs and "educate" oneself and find the magic cycle that will turn one into a muscle God.
I've been around a long time and I have tried all different diets including eating once a day. Personally twice per day worked best for me. I used eggs and meat back in the day. It's all about discipline!! Most guys have little to none when it comes to eating.
How did your diet evolve over time?
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Would anyone on here like to look like this? Does anyone on here look like this? Somewhere I have the diet plan that Mo was selling at the high point of his career and I also have all the Musclemags that talked about his training and diet. He ate twice daily basically zero carbs and nearer the show he cut back to plain chicken breasts to look like that.
I also have a letter that he wrote to me answering someone of my questions about diet. He admitted to using and even said what he took in the letter and what diuretic he took and how. How's that for honestly? The one thing that I remember him saying in the letter was, in order for one to get shredded you had to suffer. Anyone who claims to get that lean and tells you it was painless has either never been that lean or is lying to you.
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How did your diet evolve over time?
When I was 18 I was already using the zero carb diet while dieting. I've experimented through the years but I always have come back to that. I think that for over all health too one should not stimulate insulin too much and stick to a "lower" carb diet void of sugar. Keep them at a min just enough that you don't get too fat. Remember that protein and fat are essential to life not carbs.
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learn to cook...
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Are you including all the protein you consume? There are many foods which contain protein besides meat. Quinoa for example is a grain that is high in protein. Some legumes contain a fair amount of protein too. You'd be surprised at the difference sources for protein. Read the labels.
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Making this way to complicated.
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What is The Trainer’s Gorilla diet bro?
Saw the link was afraid to click.
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I was sayin he was Bluto adamantly last month
Nobody seemed to agree
You never knew bluto, he was long gone before you signed up
Gimmick outed.
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another bunch of broscience bullshit about how meat is better than powder.
does anyone really think ANY protein source is better than another? do you think your body says 'hmm this isn't isolate' or 'this isn't chicken breast' ?
all protein is same.
as for amounts I have never noticed a difference between 250 and 150 when I diet.
we eat too much protein, and it is all the same at the end of the day. I knows some people's entire existence will be shattered to hear that- they need some proteins to be better than others. lol sorry to disappoint
I have looked considerably better since dropping shakes from my diet and replacing them with food.
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I have looked considerably better since dropping shakes from my diet and replacing them with food.
Same here, I very very rarely drink them, I only do cos my girl has a tub at mine all the time....sometimes I know I won't be eating for a couple of hours after a training session, so I would do one scoop at no more than 20/24g protein with water and a banana, then I'm off for a couple of hours. This happens twice a month max.
I am also a part believer in the Adonis Principles of peace as much as I hate the c unt (:D).
I don't eat breakfast, lunch I have something small to tick me over and dinner I would eat a big meal at 9pm with carbs and some junk on the side after like biscuits and cake....considering that I won't eat anything till the next day it makes sense to me that a big meal wouldn't do much harm, this is also after training as I train after work, next day I'm up at 6:30am and usually run to work on empty stomach and don't eat anything to after 10am.
With all this I am now around 215lbs lean.
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another bunch of broscience bullshit about how meat is better than powder.
does anyone really think ANY protein source is better than another? do you think your body says 'hmm this isn't isolate' or 'this isn't chicken breast' ?
all protein is same.
as for amounts I have never noticed a difference between 250 and 150 when I diet.
we eat too much protein, and it is all the same at the end of the day. I knows some people's entire existence will be shattered to hear that- they need some proteins to be better than others. lol sorry to disappoint
Shawn Ray, The Final Countdown, part 4. Go to 2:30 of this vid
And here he shows what he eats
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just random throwing this out there:
drank 12 shots of courvorsier tonight (no idea why)
and just ate a 20 year old's pussy for about an hour straight then fucked her twice.
she goes to a uni by my house
she looks like eminem's daughter
but in all seriousness. i'm about to run a real trial of the no one/TA type prinicipals because what do i have to lose really? i've never done it that way exactly. and i'm starting at 8% or 7% (i'll check that).
but no circle jerk/no homo here, however, thanks for openin my eyes up to this calorie is a calorie + cal restriction idea because as dumb is this may sound.... i really hadn't heard much of this at ALL before, especially in gear circles.
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When I was 18 I was already using the zero carb diet while dieting. I've experimented through the years but I always have come back to that. I think that for over all health too one should not stimulate insulin too much and stick to a "lower" carb diet void of sugar. Keep them at a min just enough that you don't get too fat. Remember that protein and fat are essential to life not carbs.
Thanks.
So, zero carbs when really dieting and lower carbs when just training? What do you consider "lower"?
Could you post Mo's diet plan if you can find it?
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Same here, I very very rarely drink them, I only do cos my girl has a tub at mine all the time....sometimes I know I won't be eating for a couple of hours after a training session, so I would do one scoop at no more than 20/24g protein with water and a banana, then I'm off for a couple of hours. This happens twice a month max.
I am also a part believer in the Adonis Principles of peace as much as I hate the c unt (:D).
I don't eat breakfast, lunch I have something small to tick me over and dinner I would eat a big meal at 9pm with carbs and some junk on the side after like biscuits and cake....considering that I won't eat anything till the next day it makes sense to me that a big meal wouldn't do much harm, this is also after training as I train after work, next day I'm up at 6:30am and usually run to work on empty stomach and don't eat anything to after 10am.
With all this I am now around 215lbs lean.
would you like to share your your favorite meal, bro?
I do the same. skip breakfast, bit of nuts for lunch. dinner ( post workout)..lots of meats, chicken wings , rice and bit of chocolates .
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would you like to share your your favorite meal, bro?
I do the same. skip breakfast, bit of nuts for lunch. dinner ( post workout)..lots of meats, chicken wings , rice and bit of chocolates .
:D
This was molested recently
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I don't get the logic though trainer.
If the body can hypothetically say only consume 20
Grams of protein a serving (a bro science rumor
I've heard a lot-- I do not know the exact number that is true)
Then why do these whey isolate
Companies have 60 gram servings etc?
I really do believe a calorie is just a calorie
And we as a whole over eat far too much. I once did too when I was on hgh and didn't realize how puffy I looked
My point is... I believe you can eat 1 meal a day and get all you need
Or 5
As long as the calories are equal
It doesn't matter
So why would the body recognize this protein difference.
Please explain. I literally don't understand and
Am not
Trolling
60 grams of protein is overkill in one meal, but the supplements are happy for you to do this cause that means more money in their pockets, if you want to get big then choose foods that are high in calories and I dont mean junk food, and if you want to get ripped then choose nutrient dense food that are low in calories, its that simple.
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When we want to know which rum gets you drunk the fastest and the best way to drink vodka you are the expert but shut up about diet and nutrition.
Vodka with tabasco 8)
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Thanks.
So, zero carbs when really dieting and lower carbs when just training? What do you consider "lower"?
Could you post Mo's diet plan if you can find it?
Yes pretty much. I'm not a carb hater just think people eat way too much food to begin with. I'll see if I can find his contest diet for you.
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bluto aka blew two
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Making this way to complicated.
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Yes pretty much. I'm not a carb hater just think people eat way too much food to begin with. I'll see if I can find his contest diet for you.
100%
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Add a couple Squirrel eggs to your protein drink. That's the key to massive gains.
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Aren't you living in the UK? Try Hydrobeef isolate (http://www.bulkpowders.co.uk/shop-by-category/protein-supplements/beef-protein/beef-protein-isolate-97-hydrobeef.html), (chocolate flavor tastes great)
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disgusted
for clean/nattie guys, do you think dieting without carbs can be done without looking like a string bean due to losing fullness in the muscles?
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Try my gorilla diet you will get big and strong.
does this involve eating gorilla's?
If so where can I buy them?
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Same here, I very very rarely drink them, I only do cos my girl has a tub at mine all the time....sometimes I know I won't be eating for a couple of hours after a training session, so I would do one scoop at no more than 20/24g protein with water and a banana, then I'm off for a couple of hours. This happens twice a month max.
I am also a part believer in the Adonis Principles of peace as much as I hate the c unt (:D).
I don't eat breakfast, lunch I have something small to tick me over and dinner I would eat a big meal at 9pm with carbs and some junk on the side after like biscuits and cake....considering that I won't eat anything till the next day it makes sense to me that a big meal wouldn't do much harm, this is also after training as I train after work, next day I'm up at 6:30am and usually run to work on empty stomach and don't eat anything to after 10am.
With all this I am now around 215lbs lean.
The power of steroids cause everything else that you are doing is garbage.
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I do the caveman diet. If it wasn't hear 100 years ago I don't eat it. We ate the same things for a million years and that's what our bodies evolved to need. That's why everyone's fat, because of the introduction of fake foods and chemicals.
Do you really believe the piece of meat we've been eating since the beginning of time is the same as a powder filled with shit and chemicals nobody can pronounce?
If I have a shake my stomach hurts.
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60 grams of protein is overkill in one meal, but the supplements are happy for you to do this cause that means more money in their pockets, if you want to get big then choose foods that are high in calories and I dont mean junk food, and if you want to get ripped then choose nutrient dense food that are low in calories, its that simple.
how much protein per meal is ideal?
does your body demand only 30grams? 40grams? how does your body know how many grams of protein 60 grams is? lol
when does it need it? does your body go 'fuck it's 2pm I need 30 grams of protein'. 'oh fuck it's 5pm I need 60 grams now'. or does it need to same number of grams of protein every time all spaced exactly x amount of hours apart. how does your body know it's 5pm or 7pm?
listening to your posts is like reading a encyclopedia of broscience.
I used to think your were a worthless gimmick. but now I see a use for you. I'm going to use your posts to test people to think about 'why' they do the things they do. in a twisted way your actually going to become useful.
congrats on that.
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how much protein per meal is ideal?
does your body demand only 30grams? 40grams? how does your body know how many grams of protein 60 grams is? lol
when does it need it? does your body go 'fuck it's 2pm I need 30 grams of protein'. 'oh fuck it's 5pm I need 60 grams now'. or does it need to same number of grams of protein every time all spaced exactly x amount of hours apart. how does your body know it's 5pm or 7pm?
listening to your posts is like reading a encyclopedia of broscience.
I used to think your were a worthless gimmick. but now I see a use for you. I'm going to use your posts to test people to think about 'why' they do the things they do. in a twisted way your actually going to become useful.
congrats on that.
clearly you do not have indepth understanding of the nitrogen balance and protein synthesis
learn more on this topic by reading doctor layne norton's essays
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clearly you do not have indepth understanding of the nitrogen balance and protein synthesis
learn more on this topic by reading doctor layne norton's essays
I'll get right on that.
you just make sure your taking in x amount of protein every x amount of minutes ok?
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I'll get right on that.
you just make sure your taking in x amount of protein every x amount of minutes ok?
one day soon i'm gonna destroy you
enjoy your wise cracks while you can
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one day soon i'm gonna destroy you
enjoy your wise cracks while you can
your energy would be better spent building a time machine to transport yourself back to the 70's so you can tell those guys they need to follow layne nortons advices so they can look better.
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I do the caveman diet. If it wasn't hear 100 years ago I don't eat it. We ate the same things for a million years and that's what our bodies evolved to need. That's why everyone's fat, because of the introduction of fake foods and chemicals.
Do you really believe the piece of meat we've been eating since the beginning of time is the same as a powder filled with shit and chemicals nobody can pronounce?
If I have a shake my stomach hurts.
Smart guy everyone should read this carefully and follow.
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how much protein per meal is ideal?
does your body demand only 30grams? 40grams? how does your body know how many grams of protein 60 grams is? lol
when does it need it? does your body go 'fuck it's 2pm I need 30 grams of protein'. 'oh fuck it's 5pm I need 60 grams now'. or does it need to same number of grams of protein every time all spaced exactly x amount of hours apart. how does your body know it's 5pm or 7pm?
listening to your posts is like reading a encyclopedia of broscience.
I used to think your were a worthless gimmick. but now I see a use for you. I'm going to use your posts to test people to think about 'why' they do the things they do. in a twisted way your actually going to become useful.
congrats on that.
jesus christ what a retarded post, so going by your logic I could drink 5 gallons of water instead of 6 cups cause my body dont know the difference, please jump off a bridge and dont post anymore.
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Smart guy everyone should read this carefully and follow.
so if I eat 5k cal of McDonald's daily I'll get fat and I eat 5k cal of 'caveman food' I won't get fat? lol
everybody is fat because they overeat. period.
keep up the good work- your doing great.
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jesus christ what a retarded post, so going by your logic I could drink 5 gallons of water instead of 6 cups cause my body dont know the difference, please jump off a bridge and dont post anymore.
thank you. your doing great w this by the way. water is a great example. when the body needs water you become thirsty.
how does the body let you know it needs protein so you can give it an exact amount?
in the future please try to make sense so that I might continue to use you as a teaching tool. your regurgitation of broscience is bad enough.
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thank you. your doing great w this by the way. water is a great example. when the body needs water you become thirsty.
how does the body let you know it needs protein so you can give it an exact amount?
in the future please try to make sense so that I might continue to use you as a teaching tool. your regurgitation of broscience is bad enough.
Try the mirror eat only carbs and and a look at your gut, eat high protein low carbs watch your strength drop in the gym if you learn to use your common sense and listen to your body you will be better off.
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so if I eat 5k cal of McDonald's daily I'll get fat and I eat 5k cal of 'caveman food' I won't get fat? lol
everybody is fat because they overeat. period.
keep up the good work- your doing great.
mcdonald is process food loaded with chemicals and high levels of sodium it will wreck havoc on your body making you obese and increasing your risk of diabetes all the countries that american junk food franchises went to had an increase in obesity in the population, I am starting to figure out that you really dont know shit about nutrition.
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Try the mirror eat only carbs and and a look at your gut, eat high protein low carbs watch your strength drop in the gym if you learn to use your common sense and listen to your body you will be better off.
so you lose muscle if you don't eat carbs? what mechanism causes this?
I have eaten just carbs several times. today for example. I've had maybe 25grams of protein. I'm full and vascular. how much muscle will I lose today if I don't eat anymore protein? on ounce? 2 ounces?
what does any of this have to do with me needing x amount of protein every x amount of minutes?
keep going your doing great.
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It's best not to directly address the trainer
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mcdonald is process food loaded with chemicals and high levels of sodium it will wreck havoc on your body making you obese and increasing your risk of diabetes all the countries that american junk food franchises went to had an increase in obesity in the population, I am starting to figure out that you really dont know shit about nutrition.
what does this have to do with 5k cals of McDonald's making me fat and 5k cals of 'caveman food' not making me fat?
are you saying 5k cal of caveman food won't make me fat but 5k cals of McDonald's will?
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another bunch of broscience bullshit about how meat is better than powder.
does anyone really think ANY protein source is better than another? do you think your body says 'hmm this isn't isolate' or 'this isn't chicken breast' ?
all protein is same.
as for amounts I have never noticed a difference between 250 and 150 when I diet.
we eat too much protein, and it is all the same at the end of the day. I knows some people's entire existence will be shattered to hear that- they need some proteins to be better than others. lol sorry to disappoint
I couldn't agree more.
so if I eat 5k cal of McDonald's daily I'll get fat and I eat 5k cal of 'caveman food' I won't get fat? lol
everybody is fat because they overeat. period.
keep up the good work- your doing great.
Again.
Don't bother no one, they believe there is magic in the "shit" food that makes you fat. Like guy I know who thinks microwave makes food cancerogenic because it "twists" the atoms.
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It's best not to directly address the trainer
lol the trainer is going to teach people to think about the things they believe and why.
he's going to be a real life GB crash test dummy.
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how much protein per meal is ideal?
does your body demand only 30grams? 40grams? how does your body know how many grams of protein 60 grams is? lol
when does it need it? does your body go 'fuck it's 2pm I need 30 grams of protein'. 'oh fuck it's 5pm I need 60 grams now'. or does it need to same number of grams of protein every time all spaced exactly x amount of hours apart. how does your body know it's 5pm or 7pm?
listening to your posts is like reading a encyclopedia of broscience.
I used to think your were a worthless gimmick. but now I see a use for you. I'm going to use your posts to test people to think about 'why' they do the things they do. in a twisted way your actually going to become useful.
congrats on that.
:D
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the same thing.
guy A eats 125 grams of protein in one meal, which happens to be his goal for that day.
guy B eats 5 meals of 25 grams of protein for 125g daily which happens to be his goal for the day.
the body utilises the protein in both instances equally if it is needed.
but now I get what you were saying.
Exactly.
BTW did you know that "30 grams per meal" myth came from a study that was misunderstood by the bobybuilders? It said that there is a limit of how much protein you can absorb per hour so morons concluded if you eat more than that it won't be absorbed. But what was the original meaning is that it will just take longer.
And this study is old as fuck.
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I`ve been fighting these battles for years and still see no end in sight.
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I couldn't agree more.
Again.
Don't bother no one, they believe there is magic in the "shit" food that makes you fat. Like guy I know who thinks microwave makes food cancerogenic because it "twists" the atoms.
nah I'm not doing this to help trainer. he's a useless gimmick. I'm using him and his broscience to get people to actually stop and think about why they believe the things they do, and why they do the things they do. and maybe they'll say, hey. why am I doing this? maybe they'll try something different, make their lives a lot simpler, and enjoy training and eating again.
fuck maybe they'll even get results.
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what does this have to do with 5k cals of McDonald's making me fat and 5k cals of 'caveman food' not making me fat?
are you saying 5k cal of caveman food won't make me fat but 5k cals of McDonald's will?
Think about this. A can of chicken will last for years just sitting on your shelf. How long would a real chicken breast last just sitting on your table? 10 minutes?
Which one do you think your body will process better?
Now think about that video of the Mcd's burger that was left at room temperature for months and never changed. How would your body process that?
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What about all this talk of protein bioavailability?
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nah I'm not doing this to help trainer. he's a useless gimmick. I'm using him and his broscience to get people to actually stop and think about why they believe the things they do, and why they do the things they do. and maybe they'll say, hey. why am I doing this? maybe they'll try something different, make their lives a lot simpler, and enjoy training and eating again.
fuck maybe they'll even get results.
noone, my theory on the trainer has been and is as follows:
he's, in the words of AJ, an "untrollable gimmick. more machine than man at this point" or something genius like that (AJ recently posted this somewhere and I can't agree more)
the fact that JUNIOR is claiming he met the trainer in vegas and the trainer is actually an IFBB pro further cements my point that the trainer does not exist.
however, here is the trainer's schtick: he is pretending to be the bro science loaded personal trainer at the gym that everyone who knows a thing or two about this sport hates. He spouts broscience and random GIFs to eccentuate his gimmick position of being "that guy"--that retarded personal trainer who would do that.
Literally, on more than one occasion, he has VERBATIM copy and pasted the worst of the worst from M+D articles and posted them here, and I am not going through a post history to prove this, but there was an occasion I saw something and put it into google search and bam... M+D from like 2004 on BCAAs.
However, I like the angle you're taking with this (: perhaps AJ and I are wrong and he's not a machine of a gimmick. If anyone can make him implode it will be you.
P.S. trainer, how many lentils is the sweet spot? Thanks.
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Think about this. A can of chicken will last for years just sitting on your shelf. How long would a real chicken breast last just sitting on your table? 10 minutes?
Which one do you think your body will process better?
Now think about that video of the Mcd's burger that was left at room temperature for months and never changed. How would your body process that?
I cannot fathom how these have anything to do with each other but OK :D
nah I'm not doing this to help trainer. he's a useless gimmick. I'm using him and his broscience to get people to actually stop and think about why they believe the things they do, and why they do the things they do. and maybe they'll say, hey. why am I doing this? maybe they'll try something different, make their lives a lot simpler, and enjoy training and eating again.
fuck maybe they'll even get results.
It's not about results, I think you can get results by believing in broscience. I know plenty of people who believe everything he writes and look fantastic. It's about making life simpler. And when your life is simple it is easier to maintain it. You're old and in shape for how many years now? That's the difference.
I see that we agree more than we disagree. And by the way, you shouldn't really bash Norton that much, what he says is in line with everything you said.
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lol the trainer is going to teach people to think about the things they believe and why.
he's going to be a real life GB crash test dummy.
Its pretty obvious that you are ignorant and illiterate you are simply a meathead so its pointless to argue with you, but I will intervene if I see you giving dangerous and ignorant info to unsuspecting people.
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Think about this. A can of chicken will last for years just sitting on your shelf. How long would a real chicken breast last just sitting on your table? 10 minutes?
Which one do you think your body will process better?
Now think about that video of the Mcd's burger that was left at room temperature for months and never changed. How would your body process that?
I have already been through this.
The Burger Lab: Revisiting the Myth of The 12-Year Old McDonald's Burger That Just Won't Rot (Testing Results!)
Nov 5, 2010
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[Photographs: J. Kenji Lopez-Alt]
A few weeks back, I started an experiment designed to prove or disprove whether or not the magic, non-decomposing McDonald's hamburgers that have been making their way around the internet are indeed worthy of disgust or even interest.
By way of introduction, allow myself to quote myself. This is from myprevious article:
Back in 2008, Karen Hanrahan, of the blog Best of Mother Earth posted a picture of a hamburger that she uses as a prop for a class she teaches on how to help parents keep their children away from junk food... The hamburger she's been using as a prop is the same plain McDonald's hamburger she's been using for what's now going on 14 years. It looks pretty much identical to how it did the day she bought it, and she's not had to use any means of preservation. The burger travels with her, and sits at room temperature.
Now Karen is neither the first nor last to document this very same phenomenon. Artist Sally Davies photographs her 137 day-old hamburger every day for her Happy Meal Art Project. Nonna Joann has chosen to store her happy meal for a year on her blog rather than feed it to her kids. Dozens of other examples exist, and most of them come to the same conclusion: McDonald's hamburgers don't rot.
The problem with coming to that conclusion, of course, is that if you are a believer in science (and I certainly hope you are!), in order to make a conclusion, you must first start with a few observable premises as a starting point with which you form a theorem, followed by a reasonably rigorous experiment with controls built in place to verify the validity of that theorem.
Thus far, I haven't located a single source that treats this McDonald's hamburger phenomenon in this fashion. Instead, most rely on speculation, specious reasoning, and downright obtuseness to arrive at the conclusion that a McDonald's burger "is a chemical food[, with] absolutely no nutrition."
As I said before, that kind of conclusion is both sensationalistic and specious, and has no place in any of the respectable academic circles which A Hamburger Today would like to consider itself an upstanding member of.
The Theory Behind the Burger
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Things we know so far:
A plain McDonald's Hamburger, when left out in the open air, does not mold or decompose.
In order for mold to grow, a few things need to be present: mold spores, air, moisture, and a reasonably hospitable climate
Given those two facts, there are a number of theories as to why a McDonald's burger might not rot:
There is some kind of chemical preservative in the beef and/or bun and/or the wrapping that is not found in a normal burger and/or bun that creates an inhospitable environment for mold to grow.
The high salt level of a McDonald's burger is preventing the burger from rotting.
The small size of a McDonald's hamburger is allowing it to dehydrate fast enough that there is not enough moisture present for mold to grow
There are no mold spores present on McDonald's hamburgers, nor in the air in and around where the burgers were stored.
There is no air in the the environment where the McDonald's hamburgers were stored
There's mold everywhere.
Of these theories, we can immediately eliminate 5, for reasons too obvious to enumerate. As for number 4, it's probably true that there are no live molds on a hamburger when you first receive it, as they are cooked on an extremely hot griddle from both sides to an internal temperature of at least 165°F—hot enough to destroy any mold. But in the air where they were stored? Most likely there's mold present. There's mold everywhere.
Theory 1 is the one most often concluded in the various blogs out there, but there doesn't seem to be strong evidence one way or the other. If we are to believe packaging and nutrition labeling (and I see no reason not to), there are preservatives in a McDonald's bun, but no more than in your average loaf of bread from the supermarket. A regular loaf of supermarket bread certainly rots, so why not the McD's? Their beef is also (according to them) 100% ground beef, so nothing funny going on there, is there?
In order for any test to be considered valid, you need to include a control. Something in which you already know whether or not the variable being tested is present.
In the case of these burgers, that means testing a McDonald's burger against a burger that is absolutely known not to contain anything but beef. The only way to do this, of course, is to cook it myself from natural beef ground at home.
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I decided to design a series of tests in order to ascertain the likeliness of each one of these separate scenarios (with the exception of the no-air theory, which frankly, doesn't hold wind—get it?). Here's what I had in mind:
Sample 1: A plain McDonald's hamburger stored on a plate in the open air outside of its wrapper.
Sample 2: A plain burger made from home-ground fresh all-natural chuck of the exact dimensions as the McDonald's burger, on a standard store-bought toasted bun.
Sample 3: A plain burger with a home-ground patty, but a McDonald's bun.
Sample 4: A plain burger with a McDonald's patty on a store-bought bun.*
Sample 5: A plain McDonald's burger stored in its original packaging.
Sample 6: A plain McDonald's burger made without any salt, stored in the open air.
Sample 7: A plain McDonald's Quarter Pounder, stored in the open air.
Sample 8: A homemade burger the exact dimension of a McDonald's Quarter Pounder.
Sample 9:A plain McDonald's Angus Third Pounder, stored in the open air
*To read about the fascinating manner in which I procured these plain patties, please refer to the original post.
You may notice that my protocols have been slightly expanded since I first laid them out to you a few weeks ago. That's due to several good ideas in the comments section which I incorporated into my testing the day after the initial publication.
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Every day, I monitored the progress of the burgers, weighing each one, and carefully checking for spots of mold growth or other indications of decay. The burgers were left in the open air, but handled only with clean kitchen tools or through clean plastic bags (no direct contact with my hands until the last day).
At this point, it's been 25 days, 23 calm, cool, and collected discussions with my wife about whether that smell in the apartment is coming from the burgers or from the dog, and 16 nights spent sleeping on the couch in the aftermath of those calm, cool, and collected discussions. Asides from my mother, my wife is the fiercest discusser I know.
Frankly, I'm glad this damn experiment is over. On to the results.
The Results(http://aht.seriouseats.com/images/20101014-aging-burger-3.jpg)
Well, well, well. Turns out that not only did the regular McDonald's burgers not rot, but the home-ground burgers did not rot either. Samples one through five had shrunk a bit (especially the beef patties), but they showed no signs of decomposition. What does this mean?
It means that there's nothing that strange about a McDonald's burger not rotting. Any burger of the same shape will act the same way. The real question is, why?
Well, here's another piece of evidence: Burger number 6, made with no salt, did not rot either, indicating that the salt level has nothing to do with it.
And then we get to the burgers that did show some signs of decay.
Take a look at both the homemade and the McDonald's Quarter Pounder patties:
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Very interesting indeed. Sure, there's a slight difference in the actual amount of mold grown, and the homemade patty on the right seems to have shrunk more than the actual Quarter Pounder on the left (I blame that mostly on the way the patties were formed), but on the whole, the results are remarkably similar. That a Quarter Pounder grows mold but a regular-sized McDonald's burger doesn't is some pretty strong evidence in support of Theory 3 from above. Because of the larger size of a Quarter Pounder, it simply takes longer to dehydrate, giving mold more of a chance to grow.
We can prove this by examining the weight charts between the regular burger and the Quarter Pounder. Take a look:
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This chart represents the amount of weight lost from the burgers through evaporation every day (both starting weights have been normalized to 1). As you can see, by the end of 2 weeks, both the regular burgers and the Quarter Pounders ended up losing about 31% of their total weight and are pretty much stable. They are essentially burger-jerky. A completely dehydrated product that will never rot, as without moisture, nothing can survive.
93% of the moisture loss in a regular burger occurs within the first three days
Now the interesting part of the charts is during the first 4 days. As you can see, the blue line representing the regular burger dips down much more precipitously than the red line representing the Quarter Pounder. In fact, 93% of the moisture loss in a regular burger occurs within the first three days, which means that unless mold gets a chance to grow within that time frame, it's pretty much never going to grow.
The Quarter Pounder, on the other hand, takes a full 7 days to dehydrate to the same degree. It's during this extra three day period that the mold growth began to appear (and of course, once the burger had dehydrated sufficiently, the mold growth stopped—the burger looked the same on day 14 as they did on day 7). For the record, the Angus Third Pounder also showed a similar degree of mold growth in the same time frame.
So Can It Mold?
So we've pretty much cleared up all of the confusion, but a keen scientist will notice that one question remains to be answered. We've proven that neither a McDonald's burger nor a regular home-made burger will rot given certain specific conditions, but are there conditions we can create that will cause it to rot, and more importantly, will the McDonald's burger rot as fast as the homemade burger?
The final two burgers I tested were a McDonald's burger and a regular homemade burger of the same dimensions placed in plastic zipper-lock bags side by side. Hopefully the bag would trap in enough moisture. The question: Would they rot?
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Indeed they do. Within a week, both burgers were nearly covered in little white spots of mold, eventually turning into the green and black spotted beast you see above.
The Conclusion
how do you think beef jerky is made?
So there we have it! Pretty strong evidence in favor of Theory 3: the burger doesn't rot because it's small size and relatively large surface area help it to lose moisture very fast. Without moisture, there's no mold or bacterial growth. Of course, that the meat is pretty much sterile to begin with due to the high cooking temperature helps things along as well. It's not really surprising. Humans have known about this phenomenon for thousands of years. After all, how do you think beef jerky is made?
Now don't get me wrong—I don't have a dog in this fight either way. I really couldn't care less whether or not the McDonald's burger rotted or didn't. I don't often eat their burgers, and will continue to not often eat their burgers. My problem is not with McDonald's. My problem is with bad science.
For all of you McDonald's haters out there: Don't worry. There are still plenty of reasons to dislike the company! But for now, I hope you'll have it my way and put aside your beef with their beef.
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mcdonald is process food loaded with chemicals and high levels of sodium it will wreck havoc on your body making you obese and increasing your risk of diabetes all the countries that american junk food franchises went to had an increase in obesity in the population, I am starting to figure out that you really dont know shit about nutrition.
Yes, it is better to eat unprocessed foods. But did you know that overeating is actually more dangerous than eating processed foods? Should I post links to studies? :) On caloric deficit diet based solely on McDonalds food lipids, blood pressure and overall health improved. Science, bitch.
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Var and the other guys remember this humans are unable to make food more anabolic than nature when they try the body has problems dealing with it and we become sick, the body was made to heal itself but we eat so much process garbage that we fucked up our bodies then we make drugs from the pharmacy with nasty effects that fuck us up even, more its a vicious cycle.
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Yes, it is better to eat unprocessed foods. But did you know that overeating is actually more dangerous than eating processed foods? Should I post links to studies? :) On caloric deficit diet based solely on McDonalds food lipids, blood pressure and overall health improved. Science, bitch.
No its not. Processed can be way more healthier and at times are due to added vitamin content and the fact that the food is preserved at the peak of freshness, thus containing the highest amount of nutrients and minerals.
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Var and the other guys remember this humans are unable to make food more anabolic than nature when they try the body has problems dealing with it and we become sick, the body was made to heal itself but we eat so much process garbage that we fucked up our bodies then we make drugs from the pharmacy with nasty effects that fuck us up even, more its a vicious cycle.
ok so tell me, if you're being seirous?
i DON'T eat processed garbage trainer
i generally have an OK diet and eat 2-3 meals a day and at least two of them (i usually eat lunch out somethin OK) are home cooked. organic egg omelette in the AM with veggies and wheat toast and coffee... and lots of water.... for dinner chicken breasts i cook weekly marinated in a sauce i make with olive oil, balsamic vinagrette, chipotle pepper, an indian spice i forget the name of, and a little bit of soy sauce (it's delicous) and then i eat greens like broccoli which i cook weekly or salad and some brown rice.
so are you literally saying that we shouldn't be eating meat? just be serious for a moment if you're capable of it. if you're for real about this "gorilla diet" then tell me in straight words that you don't believe we need protein??
and as for "processed garbage" wouldn't you consider the supplements you shamelessly throw up in GIFS here aLL THE TIME as significantly worse (you put up a NANO VAPOR gif the other day...) than perhaps a subway turkey sandwich?
because i do.
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No its not. Processed can be way more healthier and at times are due to added vitamin content and the fact that the food is preserved at the peak of freshness, thus containing the highest amount of nutrients and minerals.
This is exactly what I meant. And I would add omega3-omega6 ratio, trans fats, aglutinine and other anti-nutrients, fiber intake, sodium-potassium ratio... These things matter to some extent when it comes to health. But they are go to shit when you overeat and become fat. This is first and most important aspect both healthwise and physique-wise and we can ALL agree on that, right?
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ok so tell me, if you're being seirous?
i DON'T eat processed garbage trainer
i generally have an OK diet and eat 2-3 meals a day and at least two of them (i usually eat lunch out somethin OK) are home cooked. organic egg omelette in the AM with veggies and wheat toast and coffee... and lots of water.... for dinner chicken breasts i cook weekly marinated in a sauce i make with olive oil, balsamic vinagrette, chipotle pepper, an indian spice i forget the name of, and a little bit of soy sauce (it's delicous) and then i eat greens like broccoli which i cook weekly or salad and some brown rice.
so are you literally saying that we shouldn't be eating meat? just be serious for a moment if you're capable of it. if you're for real about this "gorilla diet" then tell me in straight words that you don't believe we need protein??
and as for "processed garbage" wouldn't you consider the supplements you shamelessly throw up in GIFS here aLL THE TIME as significantly worse (you put up a NANO VAPOR gif the other day...) than perhaps a subway turkey sandwich?
because i do.
Everything I bolded is processed and you eat it. Hope this helps.
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Let me correct myself, it is late in here and I'm tired - I meant that these things matter first and foremost and most of the time raw foods have advantage in that aspect. But if you really want to eat healthy, just consuming "unprocessed" foods does not suffice. If you eat too much and become fat, it goes to shit. If you consume only olive oil as your fat source because "it is healthy" you consume way too much omega6... and it goes to shit. And it goes on and on.
"Eat unprocessed" is oversimplification but in my own experience it is way simpler to keep these variables in check when eating unprocessed foods. What I really wonder is how these variables really affect one's health.
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ok so tell me, if you're being seirous?
i DON'T eat processed garbage trainer
i generally have an OK diet and eat 2-3 meals a day and at least two of them (i usually eat lunch out somethin OK) are home cooked. organic egg omelette in the AM with veggies and wheat toast and coffee... and lots of water.... for dinner chicken breasts i cook weekly marinated in a sauce i make with olive oil, balsamic vinagrette, chipotle pepper, an indian spice i forget the name of, and a little bit of soy sauce (it's delicous) and then i eat greens like broccoli which i cook weekly or salad and some brown rice.
so are you literally saying that we shouldn't be eating meat? just be serious for a moment if you're capable of it. if you're for real about this "gorilla diet" then tell me in straight words that you don't believe we need protein??
and as for "processed garbage" wouldn't you consider the supplements you shamelessly throw up in GIFS here aLL THE TIME as significantly worse (you put up a NANO VAPOR gif the other day...) than perhaps a subway turkey sandwich?
because i do.
It would be better for you health wise if you cut out meat, I eat mostly fish and some meat every now and then though I know that a vegetarian diet is better, and remember you dont need meat to get protein, because I am a bodybuilder I will sometimes take stuff to build muscle and get energy although I know its not really good for me but I make up for that we a very organic diet and I also detox my body to get rid of toxins.
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For those of you who are talking about you can get fat from a healty diet of course if you force feed and over eat you will get fat no matter what you eat, but anybody who says that a big mac fries and coke is the same healthwise as eating brown rice wild salmon and brocoli is either trolling or simply a dumbfuck.
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So a burger and fries at McDonald's is just as good nutritionally as a steak and baked potato? Preservatives and chemicals are ok for you to eat? I give up.
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So a burger and fries at McDonald's is just as good nutritionally as a steak and baked potato? Preservatives and chemicals are ok for you to eat? I give up.
There are no preservatives or chemicals in Mcdonald`s beef. Hope this helps.
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For those of you who are talking about you can get fat from a healty diet of course if you force feed and over eat you will get fat no matter what you eat, but anybody who says that a big mac fries and coke is the same healthwise as eating brown rice wild salmon and brocoli is either trolling or simply a dumbfuck.
I agree with you there
For health reasons like cholesterol not to mention heart attacks
Healthy food is better
That IS where I disagree with TA about his calorie
Is a calorie theory however I know that TA is not
Speaking about the health side
Of this he is more so speaking on the macro/ weight maintenance side
And in that respect he is right and you aren't
However in regards to
Health, yes obviously a clean diet
Is paramount!
But trainer.. Seriously why do you post all
The GIFS of supplements? And rarely speak on gear ? Just
Speaking to you now as if you are real.
Give me
A chance to give you that chance by not bullshitting for one second here
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Think about this. A can of chicken will last for years just sitting on your shelf. How long would a real chicken breast last just sitting on your table? 10 minutes?
Which one do you think your body will process better?
Now think about that video of the Mcd's burger that was left at room temperature for months and never changed. How would your body process that?
none of this I am debating.
you said people are fat because of fast food.
I said they are fat because they over eat.
answer my question w/o muddying the water w factoids we are all well aware if that have nothing to do with my question. let me rephrase it so you can easier answer.
do you think 5k cal of caveman food will make me less fat than 5k cal of McDonald's?
a simple yes or no will suffice.
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So a burger and fries at McDonald's is just as good nutritionally as a steak and baked potato? Preservatives and chemicals are ok for you to eat? I give up.
http://www.mcdonalds.com/us/en/your_questions/our_food/are-there-fillers-or-preservatives-in-your-beef.html
No, our burgers are made using only 100% USDA-inspected beef. There are no fillers, extenders, preservatives or so-called 'pink slime' in our beef.
The only thing we add is a small amount of salt and pepper at the grill to bring out flavor. Feel free to order without salt and pepper if that's what you prefer.
Learn more about how our burgers are made.
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I agree with you there
For health reasons like cholesterol not to mention heart attacks
Healthy food is better
That IS where I disagree with TA about his calorie
Is a calorie theory however I know that TA is not
Speaking about the health side
Of this he is more so speaking on the macro/ weight maintenance side
And in that respect he is right and you aren't
However in regards to
Health, yes obviously a clean diet
Is paramount!
But trainer.. Seriously why do you post all
The GIFS of supplements? And rarely speak on gear ? Just
Speaking to you now as if you are real.
Give me
A chance to give you that chance by not bullshitting for one second here
Eating a Big Mac has less cholesterol than a steak. Eating a steak a day or a Big Mac a day, I would go with the Big Mac a day in terms of overall health. More nutrients in the Big Mac as well due to the bread, lettuce and Big Mac Sauce, pickles etc... Plus its less caloric and less cholesterol.
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none of this I am debating.
you said people are fat because of fast food.
I said they are fat because they over eat.
answer my question w/o muddying the water w factoids we are all well aware if that have nothing to do with my question. let me rephrase it so you can easier answer.
do you think 5k cal of caveman food will make me less fat than 5k cal of McDonald's?
a simple yes or no will suffice.
He will say it is impossible to eat 5k calories from a caveman diet. Which is bullshit but hey, I just spared him couple of minutes. Then you will ask again and he will meltdown.
It is always like that.
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McDonald's is fucking disgusting .
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none of this I am debating.
you said people are fat because of fast food.
I said they are fat because they over eat.
answer my question w/o muddying the water w factoids we are all well aware if that have nothing to do with my question. let me rephrase it so you can easier answer.
do you think 5k cal of caveman food will make me less fat than 5k cal of McDonald's?
a simple yes or no will suffice.
This is the end game
However I just want to point out that a somewhat healthy diet is obviously better for your health regardless if it is equal in calories to mcdonalds for that day
Not trying to even argue with u no one
Pointing this out so some idiot here doesn't go off and eat only chipotle for the next year
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McDonald's is fucking disgusting .
Not as disgusting as eating live Octopus which can kill you.
Now this is an unprocessed food that is clearly dangerous to eat. If you ate this everyday, you would die eventually as you would most likely choke. Plus, its not very healthy even though its unprocessed.
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I agree with you there
For health reasons like cholesterol not to mention heart attacks
Healthy food is better
That IS where I disagree with TA about his calorie
Is a calorie theory however I know that TA is not
Speaking about the health side
Of this he is more so speaking on the macro/ weight maintenance side
And in that respect he is right and you aren't
However in regards to
Health, yes obviously a clean diet
Is paramount!
But trainer.. Seriously why do you post all
The GIFS of supplements? And rarely speak on gear ? Just
Speaking to you now as if you are real.
Give me
A chance to give you that chance by not bullshitting for one second here
One of the main reasons I dont talk about gear is because here on getbig people think its all about the drugs if you are juicing then you dont have to watch your diet and you dont have to train hard when in fact its the opposite.
On steroids you should be watching your diet even more cause since it increases protein synthesis you should be eating the best foods possible and since its causes you to recover faster you should be training harder like a madman in the gym.
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so you lose muscle if you don't eat carbs? what mechanism causes this?
I have eaten just carbs several times. today for example. I've had maybe 25grams of protein. I'm full and vascular. how much muscle will I lose today if I don't eat anymore protein? on ounce? 2 ounces?
what does any of this have to do with me needing x amount of protein every x amount of minutes?
keep going your doing great.
bump for trainer.
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One of the main reasons I dont talk about gear is because here on getbig people think its all about the drugs if you are juicing then you dont have to watch your diet and you dont have to train hard when in fact its the opposite.
On steroids you should be watching your diet even more cause since it increases protein synthesis you should be eating the best foods possible and since its causes you to recover faster you should be training harder like a madman in the gym.
fair enough.
i don't know shit about increasing protein synthesis etc' in regards to gear. but certainly, watching your diet and committing to training is important. however, my point that i didn't get to because we weren't ready yet, but now we are since you've said this, is that you continually push SUPPLEMENTS in GIFs and writing on this site.
That's ENTIRELY contradictory to your above posts... The supplements you post are 99% AWFUL for your body. Do you know what is in shit like nano vapor and what not? It's fucking garbage trainer. And I do agree with you however that on gear many people do slip off with their diet, and after the age of roughly 27 you can't exactly do that on AAS alone without HGH (from my experience).
Also, you realize a huge amount of this board is very experienced with gear? Gal was. Noone is. I am..... Widow is. NJFLEX is. And many many many more (i didn't even get into the competitors like enzo, or the guys who work like skorp and maintain good physiques on relatively low doses. Even bigMC for all his recent faggatry knows about gear. And so does Simon. As does temper and pellius ... etc' you get my point. that's off the top of my head in 15 seconds).
So why not get real? If you are who you say you are (which is highly doubtful because Junior says he met you and you are real, meaning you don't exist), then talk about gear? you're doing more damage with your propogating bullshit diatribes on cave men diets and supplement shilling than you would if you would just speak up about what someone that is 250 @ 6% or whatever is on gear wise? that's what i want to know. your cycle information.
Until then, you're just running in place.
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drugs are made from plants not from the pharmacy. as natural as any other processed product.
no need to wonder: http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=551524.0
you are the irresponsible idiot here.
show me the studies that prove a vegetarian diet is better than a gluten/vegetable oil/sugar free, meat-based diet ('caveman' diet).
fuck your 'stuff' and organic is bullshit.
brown rice is an extremely high acid food, and there is absolutely no nutritive value.
euterpe using trainer as a teaching tool now. good stuff.
trainer getting passed around and used like a jailhouse queen.
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and the trainer has gone missing once shit got tangible
probably off frantically google searching
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maybe he realised it was 93 minutes since he last ingested 32.346 grams of protein and he had to go eat? ???
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maybe he realised it was 93 minutes since he last ingested 32.346 grams of protein elephant semen and he had to go eat? ???
fixed
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fixed
I actually lold
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Strictly following IIFYM neglects crucial elements such as the types of fats you are taking in, the types of carbohydrates you are ingesting, micronutrients, vitamins and minerals. Sure IIFYM can help maintain an aesthetic physique, but in the long run, it can be harmful to the body. Eating the wrong types of foods can cause increased inflammation in your body and interrupt the way the body functions, causing increased joint pain, degeneration and a host of other avoidable health issues.
Here are two great opposing examples of macro nutrition in bodybuilding and fitness from my personal life to explain my rationale. Body Builder 1 is an IFBB pro who follows a form of IIFYM in the offseason. He looks phenomenal every single day, but has never reached his full potential because his diet lacks certain essentials. He eats cupcakes, cookies, and anything he can get his hands on as long as he hits his macros for the day with the rest of his diet. This same bodybuilder has had kidney stones multiple times and who knows what other health issues are brewing and how long he has left in his competition days. On the other hand, Body Builder 2 is also an IFBB pro, not only eats clean 90-95% of the time through every year, he also emphasizes the quality of the food choices he makes. This guy is going to be competing in the Olympia Competition for many years to come, baring any major hindrance to his health.
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dude the IFBB pro/ Olymipan is using so much insulin anabolics diuretics and pain killers a fucking cupcake is the least of his worries.
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There are no preservatives or chemicals in Mcdonald`s beef. Hope this helps.
It doesn't "help" as there meat has other crap and by products in it and the process at which they make it doesn't look to appealing to me. I never eat that shit and never will.
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Strictly following IIFYM neglects crucial elements such as the types of fats you are taking in, the types of carbohydrates you are ingesting, micronutrients, vitamins and minerals. Sure IIFYM can help maintain an aesthetic physique, but in the long run, it can be harmful to the body. Eating the wrong types of foods can cause increased inflammation in your body and interrupt the way the body functions, causing increased joint pain, degeneration and a host of other avoidable health issues.
Here are two great opposing examples of macro nutrition in bodybuilding and fitness from my personal life to explain my rationale. Body Builder 1 is an IFBB pro who follows a form of IIFYM in the offseason. He looks phenomenal every single day, but has never reached his full potential because his diet lacks certain essentials. He eats cupcakes, cookies, and anything he can get his hands on as long as he hits his macros for the day with the rest of his diet. This same bodybuilder has had kidney stones multiple times and who knows what other health issues are brewing and how long he has left in his competition days. On the other hand, Body Builder 2 is also an IFBB pro, not only eats clean 90-95% of the time through every year, he also emphasizes the quality of the food choices he makes. This guy is going to be competing in the Olympia Competition for many years to come, baring any major hindrance to his health.
Irrelevant and stupid scenario crafted to meet your biased agenda.
Here is mine.
Bodybuilder A eats "clean" and develops cancer. Bodybuilder A then gets liver disease and dies. Oh well.
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dude the IFBB pro/ Olymipan is using so much insulin anabolics diuretics and pain killers a fucking cupcake is the least of his worries.
this x 100000
noone actually officially knows what he's talkin about in my book now and that's 100%
because i'm not a pro
and i have a real job
but those who know me. know i'm on the other side of the industry. and dialaudid, roxy (or per 30s), oxy 80s, endocets, norcos, vicodin, regular percs, darvocet, even tramadol are taken a HELL of a lot more than AAS/hgh/peptides on a daily basis by competitors
that's how they beat the sides. and they get addicted quick. think supplier's only sell AAS for a second and you're fooling yourself. not all. but top top.... i'm done with this post.
just sayin. no one: officially good people. i apologize for any words i said to you when i was trolling before
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It doesn't "help" as there meat has other crap and by products in it and the process at which they make it doesn't look to appealing to me. I never eat that shit and never will.
We have been through this before and it seems you DID NOT pay attention.
There are no by-products in their meat for the 100030439549349 time. Do I need to bump all the threads discussing this. Hopefully you get it by now.
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this x 100000
noone actually officially knows what he's talkin about in my book now and that's 100%
because i'm not a pro
and i have a real job
but those who know me. know i'm on the other side of the industry. and dialaudid, roxy (or per 30s), oxy 80s, endocets, norcos, vicodin, regular percs, darvocet, even tramadol are taken a HELL of a lot more than AAS/hgh/peptides on a daily basis by competitors
that's how they beat the sides. and they get addicted quick. think supplier's only sell AAS for a second and you're fooling yourself. not all. but top top.... i'm done with this post.
just sayin. no one: officially good people. i apologize for any words i said to you when i was trolling before
no worries dude and no apology necessary that kind of shit is why I post here. if you can't call someone a faggat and bust balls it would get very boring.
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We have been through this before and it seems you DID NOT pay attention.
There are no by-products in their meat for the 100030439549349 time. Do I need to bump all the threads discussing this. Hopefully you get it by now.
;D Their beef patty does not contain 100% beef as a whole!!!!!
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;D Their beef patty does not contain 100% beef as a whole!!!!!
I already proved to you that this is not true.
Where is your proof that it is true? Please link me.
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dude the IFBB pro/ Olymipan is using so much insulin anabolics diuretics and pain killers a fucking cupcake is the least of his worries.
Nice evading from all my points about macronutrients, types of carbs and vitamins
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Nice evading from all my points about macronutrients, types of carbs and vitamins
A bowl of cereal has more Micronutrients, vitamins, minerals than your entire diet.
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Irrelevant and stupid scenario crafted to meet your biased agenda.
Here is mine.
Bodybuilder A eats "clean" and develops cancer. Bodybuilder A then gets liver disease and dies. Oh well.
Bodybuilder C, me looks better than you or any of your fad diet friends ever will. Oh well.
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A bowl of cereal has more Micronutrients, vitamins, minerals than your entire diet.
Bullshit.
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Bullshit.
???
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Nice evading from all my points about macronutrients, types of carbs and vitamins
no I think I drew a parallel quite nicely. don't fault me for being too obtuse to see it.
I think an ifbb pro abusing the shit out of insulin is no different than one who eats cake pies and other such things.
maybe it's you who's missing the point.
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???
Im staring at a box of cheerios right now and 1 bowl is not even a 10th of the vitamins and minerals i consume.
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no one, are you suggesting the trainer is really more suited to guiding a session of arts and crafts for 'pansy crown making 101' at the local prison?
what I'm saying Euterpe is that trainer would prolly walk around the prison shower looking around for a bar of soap.
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no I think I drew a parallel quite nicely. don't fault me for being too obtuse to see it.
I think an ifbb pro abusing the shit out of insulin is no different than one who eats cake pies and other such things.
maybe it's you who's missing the point.
Yet youre still ignoring the actual point.
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Im staring at a box of cheerios right now and 1 bowl is not even a 10th of the vitamins and minerals i consume.
Try bran flakes.
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Yet youre still ignoring the actual point.
you made an opinion based on hypothesis and speculation regarding who would be 'healthier', since you cannot prove inconclusively which is healthier unless you had two bbers of identical genetic makeup taking the same compounds and eating different diets. so therefor you base your opinion on a collection of beliefs and what you feel you know.
I said one would be no healthier than the other based on the example you gave.
I thought it was pretty simple. what's so difficult for you to comprehend out of all this?
you are the only one here missing the actual point.
one is no better than the other.
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A bowl of cereal has more Micronutrients, vitamins, minerals than your entire diet.
So what, it's artificially enhanced. I could do the same with cat shit.
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lol BC let me make this simple.
what does insulin do.
what does a diet high in sugars do.
you get it now? should I slow down a bit for you?
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you made an opinion based on hypothesis and speculation regarding who would be 'healthier', since you cannot prove inconclusively which is healthier unless you had two bbers of identical genetic makeup taking the same compounds and eating different diets. so therefor you base your opinion on a collection of beliefs and what you feel you know.
I said one would be no healthier than the other based on the example you gave.
I thought it was pretty simple. what's so difficult for you to comprehend out of all this?
you are the only one here missing the actual point.
one is no better than the other.
Actually no, you did not say any of that before. If you wouldve been this straight forward in your first response you would have saved us both time.
My personal experience that ive witnessed only confirms the facts that certain carbs and fats are healthier than others.
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So what, it's artificially enhanced. I could do the same with cat shit.
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What you so shocked about there Holmes. Isn't the first time that you have used cereal as an example of some type of super food. It's man made and vitamin fortified. Like I said, one can do this with anything. What's so miraculous about taking a taking what is essentially a non digestible fiber and mixing it with man made nutrients?
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Would anyone on here like to look like this? Does anyone on here look like this? Somewhere I have the diet plan that Mo was selling at the high point of his career and I also have all the Musclemags that talked about his training and diet. He ate twice daily basically zero carbs and nearer the show he cut back to plain chicken breasts to look like that.
I also have a letter that he wrote to me answering someone of my questions about diet. He admitted to using and even said what he took in the letter and what diuretic he took and how. How's that for honestly? The one thing that I remember him saying in the letter was, in order for one to get shredded you had to suffer. Anyone who claims to get that lean and tells you it was painless has either never been that lean or is lying to you.
This is a dead on fact even to this day. If you want to get shredded, you have to suffer. It sucks but it's true.
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no one, are you suggesting the trainer is really more suited to guiding a session of arts and crafts for 'pansy crown making 101' at the local prison?
euterpe in running for rookie of the year
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This is a dead on fact even to this day. If you want to get shredded, you have to suffer. It sucks but it's true.
I agree but what exactly do you mean by suffering? Low carbs, low cals, lack of variety or all 3?
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I agree but what exactly do you mean by suffering? Low carbs, low cals, lack of variety or all 3?
not even trying to be argumentative
but you know what he means
We all WANT to eat!
To get shredded you have to fight the urge!
that's all coach is saying i think... i mean, it's kinda basic. don't pretend like getting shredded is pleasent (: other than the clen part (i'm the weirdo that actually loves clen)
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euterpe in running for rookie of the year
yes, he's one of the bigger guys around here
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So much ignorance in this thread so many people to own I dont even know where to start, hmmm lets take adonis first since he is promoting macdonalds as healthy food.
So you big bodybuilder goes to macdonald orders 2 bic macs fries and coke, well you just took in 2,290mg of sodium and 94 grams of sugar and you have another 4 to 5 meals to go, high blood pressure and increasing your risk of diabetes that is a good way to go, I wont even bother to get into the high saturated fat.
Now the cows that macdonalds get their beef from the famers use growth hormone and antibiotics so the cows can grow faster to meet macdonalds demand, now when you eat this beef the antibiotics make the human body very resist to a lot of pharmacutical drugs so they are not effective if treating you when you get sick from the shitty diet.
So enjoy your macdonalds adonis and know that you have a future of high blood pressure and heart attack awaiting you.
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Now there was a retard in this thread claiming that bown rice has no nutriton value not sure if such stupid statements is worth responding to but here goes, white rice is a process grain the other layers has most of the nutrition and fiber when this is removed you lose a lot of the fiber and nutrition value.
So maybe what the retard was trying to say is white rice has no nutritional value which is not even true it just has less, if you are a bodybuilder trying to build muscle remember to eat the most nutrient dense food possible so brown rice is a good choice.
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bump for the bozo trainer.
still waiting for you to explain this, champ.
so you lose muscle if you don't eat carbs? what mechanism causes this?
I have eaten just carbs several times. today for example. I've had maybe 25grams of protein. I'm full and vascular. how much muscle will I lose today if I don't eat anymore protein? on ounce? 2 ounces?
what does any of this have to do with me needing x amount of protein every x amount of minutes?
keep going your doing great.
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bump for the bozo trainer.
still waiting for you to explain this, champ.
What is there to explain you has less glycogen in your muscle when you drop the carbs so you lose weight and strength, and I am not a believer in adding high amounts of meat or whey protein to your meals, if you have a dish of rice and beans that is a good amount of protein so you dont need to add a lot of extra protein to the meal.
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Well its safe to say that the trainer has dismantled and owned all the dumb wanna be so called nutrition experts in this thread.
(http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view2/2085262/winning-o.gif)
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This is a dead on fact even to this day. If you want to get shredded, you have to suffer. It sucks but it's true.
Yes, most pro's eating 4,000 calories per day pre-contest are truly suffering. Oh, the outrage!
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What is there to explain you has less glycogen in your muscle when you drop the carbs so you lose weight and strength, and I am not a believer in adding high amounts of meat or whey protein to your meals, if you have a dish of rice and beans that is a good amount of protein so you dont need to add a lot of extra protein to the meal.
there is so much stupid in this post i dont know where to start.
perhaps that was your intention.
you are a very clever adversary after all.
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dude the IFBB pro/ Olymipan is using so much insulin anabolics diuretics and pain killers a fucking cupcake is the least of his worries.
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I agree. People need to weak up.
My opinion calories is calories. if your concern is to be in shape only. Has nothing to do with gain \ lose fate. however, from health point of view. clean food is much healthier in the long run..specially, for AAs users.
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I agree. People need to weak up.
My opinion calories is calories. if your concern is to be in shape only. Has nothing to do with gain \ lose fate. however, from health point of view. clean food is much healthier in the long run..specially, for AAs users.
I can assure you that eating live octopuses is worse for you than eating Big Macs.
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You need the thug cookbook. :D