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07 Jay?
82 Dickerson?
80 Arnold?
97 yates?
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2015.
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81 Franco
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07 Goodrum ;D
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07 Goodrum ;D
You're drunk posting aren't you? Lol
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You're drunk posting aren't you? Lol
Dayum Keto Diet ;D
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Coleman 2006
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/big/2006/2006olympia_mf421.jpg)
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Coleman 2006
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/big/2006/2006olympia_mf421.jpg)
Jay beat Ronnie in '06
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Coleman 2006
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/big/2006/2006olympia_mf421.jpg)
we're talking about Mr O winners that particular year
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81 Franco
This is by far the worst physique and biggest political placing of all.
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we're talking about Mr O winners that particular year
OK , Coleman 2005 then.
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-xzjP4t93Nmw/UC3vLE2jiFI/AAAAAAAAAEU/Kzew3LXfmqk/s400/Ronnie-Coleman-2.jpg)
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That's easy! Yates in '94.
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2012-2014
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Franco.
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81 Franco
Yep.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=274041.0;attach=313433;image).
(http://www.musclememory.com/magCovers/im/im4104.jpg).
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Haney was way off in 1990.... But he redeemed himself in 1991
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This is by far the worst physique and biggest political placing of all.
Yes, his legs don't even exist.
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81 Franco
This.
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Lee at his best in '91
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Franco.
Can't believe that munchkin won, and yet big lou never did.
The man deserve a title.
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Can't believe that munchkin won, and yet big lou never did.
The man deserve a title.
No, he didn't.....at least, not against the competition he faced at the time. He should have competed after Arnold retired, if the Olympia were that important to him. But, getting that Hulk role was too much to pass up and ultimately ended up being the smart move for him.
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Can't believe that munchkin won, and yet big lou never did.
The man deserve a title.
So true! Had he competed in the O in the 80's I think he would have got it.
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Padilla was robbed. Franco should never have won in '81 and Dickerson was a poor choice later on as well. Coleman looked like a pod from Invasion of the Blobbysnatchers.
Bigger isn't always better, its just always bigger. Stupid schomes.
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Yates in 1997 was the worst I've ever seen.
Haney in 90 was awful.
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81 Franco
82 Dickerson
Theses two years winners Totally
Wrong. Very Dodgy judging.
05 Ronnie
His decline in physique had set in
He was Big, Just not a good look.
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07 Jay?
82 Dickerson?
80 Arnold?
97 yates?
Obvious troll leaving Heath off the list.
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Yates in 1997 was the worst I've ever seen.
This all the way, terrible arms. I'm surprised no one has mentioned Phil Healths last Olympia.
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This all the way, terrible arms. I'm surprised no one has mentioned Phil Healths last Olympia.
Terrible biceps. His side tricep pose in that contest is still excellent.
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Lee at his best in '91
lee had the better upper body
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Obvious troll leaving Heath off the list.
First thing that came to my mind
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Shit.., go back to the picture of the 91 O, and look enlarge that shot of Haney, Yates, and Sonny Shmidt. Don't know if many on here actually trained in the same gym as Sonny did? But enlarge the picture, and you will see that Sonny's proportions beat both Haney and Dorian easily. Haney especially in the arms, legs, and Calves. Hell, everything. That is the big mistake there. How about Sonny Shmidt 91 Mr O?????
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This.
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Win goes to Sonny IMO!
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I saw Sonny everyday he trained, as we trained at the same gym. Nice guy. Real quiet. I'll tell you, I have seen Dorian and Sonny both in person at the gym. ( never saw Haney ) Ill tell you Sonny's physique was perfection! Totally balanced!
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90 Olympia was the one that was "drug tested."
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IDK, am I crazy? Perfect!
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I'm with you Bailey, he looks nuts
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Terrible biceps. His side tricep pose in that contest is still excellent.
He had one tricep only in 97.
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Shit.., go back to the picture of the 91 O, and look enlarge that shot of Haney, Yates, and Sonny Shmidt. Don't know if many on here actually trained in the same gym as Sonny did? But enlarge the picture, and you will see that Sonny's proportions beat both Haney and Dorian easily. Haney especially in the arms, legs, and Calves. Hell, everything. That is the big mistake there. How about Sonny Shmidt 91 Mr O?????
Ah, no. Lee's legs were the legs of an 80s bodybuilder. The overblown quad look sucks. And we all know why Lee won, chest and back. Plus, Lee has a better overall look, and better taper. Win, to Lee.
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FRANCO BY FAR,the others,like yates 94,arnold 80 ect, u can pose an argument for, but franco in 81 even had STEVIE WONDER SCREAMING ROBBERY!!!!
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I'm with you Bailey, he looks nuts
X3! Wonder what he's up to today ::)
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X3! Wonder what he's up to today ::)
He's been laying low but is still shredded to the bone
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He had one tricep only in 97.
That's what you need in that pose.
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Columbu 1981 takes the cake... Others very shitty, Coleman 2002, Yates 1994 and 1997, Haney 1990, Heath 2014, Cutler every year except 2009, Dickerson 1982...
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It's probably an easier thread to make for what year was the best Mr. Olympia. :-[
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That's what you need in that pose.
He caused Shawn Ray great pain that year, and in 94. "How can you win with one arm?"
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He caused Shawn Ray great pain that year, and in 94. "How can you win with one arm?"
He made Shawn look like a child in '94.
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He made Shawn look like a golden child in '94.
fixed.
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Many mr olympias have looked awful. Many times the best bodybuilders aren't even on the mr olympia stage. I have seen amateur bodybuilders who look better than bloated pros.
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81 Franco
82 Dickerson
Theses two years winners Totally
Wrong. Very Dodgy judging.
05 Ronnie
His decline in physique had set in
He was Big, Just not a good look.
& 66 , Ludwig Susterich over ruling judges
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He's been laying low but is still shredded to the bone
Lots of former pros doing that these days :-X
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& 66 , Ludwig Susterich over ruling judges
(http://www.classicbodybuilders.com/bodybuilder/ludwigshusterich1.jpg)
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Lee at his best in '91
I would bet that because the did the O clean in 90, that he blew up in 91 thanks to the down time.
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Shit.., go back to the picture of the 91 O, and look enlarge that shot of Haney, Yates, and Sonny Shmidt. Don't know if many on here actually trained in the same gym as Sonny did? But enlarge the picture, and you will see that Sonny's proportions beat both Haney and Dorian easily. Haney especially in the arms, legs, and Calves. Hell, everything. That is the big mistake there. How about Sonny Shmidt 91 Mr O?????
Sonny looked great, but not good enough to beat Haney or Yates.
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Shit.., go back to the picture of the 91 O, and look enlarge that shot of Haney, Yates, and Sonny Shmidt. Don't know if many on here actually trained in the same gym as Sonny did? But enlarge the picture, and you will see that Sonny's proportions beat both Haney and Dorian easily. Haney especially in the arms, legs, and Calves. Hell, everything. That is the big mistake there. How about Sonny Shmidt 91 Mr O?????
Nope! I have the 91 Olympia. As advertised, this was a two-man show: Yates and Haney. Schmidt got eclipsed next to those two. Heck, he couldn't even handle Taylor.
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07 Jay?
82 Dickerson?
80 Arnold?
97 yates?
any of jay's wins.
80 Arnold looked like shit.. not all familiar with Dickerson's look when he won.
dorian in 97 wasn't bad. he didn't have that same grainy/hard look that he had in the years prior, but he was still dorian... and dorians 97 look trumps any of lee haney's wins.
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any of jay's wins.
80 Arnold looked like shit.. not all familiar with Dickerson's look when he won.
dorian in 97 wasn't bad. he didn't have that same grainy/hard look that he had in the years prior, but he was still dorian... and dorians 97 look trumps any of lee haney's wins.
'91 Haney is among the best, guy.
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any of jay's wins.
80 Arnold looked like shit.. not all familiar with Dickerson's look when he won.
dorian in 97 wasn't bad. he didn't have that same grainy/hard look that he had in the years prior, but he was still dorian... and dorians 97 look trumps any of lee haney's wins.
Welcome back, and i concur.
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any of jay's wins.
80 Arnold looked like shit.. not all familiar with Dickerson's look when he won.
dorian in 97 wasn't bad. he didn't have that same grainy/hard look that he had in the years prior, but he was still dorian... and dorians 97 look trumps any of lee haney's wins.
Dorian looked 6 months pregnant in 1997. His best look would be '93 with a close second being '95.
Cutler looked great in '06 and '09. The other years, not so much. Many felt he should have fallen in '07 before he eventually lost in '08.
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Dorian looked 6 months pregnant in 1997. His best look would be '93 with a close second being '95.
Cutler looked great in '06 and '09. The other years, not so much. Many felt he should have fallen in '07 before he eventually lost in '08.
Cutler looked real good in 2001 and 2009. He was terrible in 07 and not as good as Ronnie in 06. One of the real unspoken travesties
is that Ronnie got fucked out of 9 in a row. In 2006, it should have went to either Ronnie or Victor.
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Cutler looked real good in 2001 and 2009. He was terrible in 07 and not as good as Ronnie in 06. One of the real unspoken travesties
is that Ronnie got fucked out of 9 in a row. In 2006, it should have went to either Ronnie or Victor.
His best, I'd say, even with the lagging back.
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His best, I'd say, even with the lagging back.
I agree. I even liked his back better then because it didn't have the skin rolls as it did in later years.
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Coleman 2006
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/big/2006/2006olympia_mf421.jpg)
how about almost every year Ronnie was mr.O except maybe thew first few years. Worst Mr.O of all time after 2002.
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I'm sorry but Sonny had better proportions than Lee. I know lee one 8 O's. But he had no legs! Sonny was coming in when legs and calves mattered. Hence, Haney saw the writing on the wall with Dorian as well as all the others!
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O' forgot. Parker ... You are delusional!
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actually Dorian looked horrible that one year he came in with all the torrn muscles. He bought that show. Ronnie looked a mess the last 5-6 of his wins.
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(https://33.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lzr1wevDLm1qff35ao1_1280.jpg)
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After watching the video of the 1980 Mr.O i thought Arnold won and 2nd/3rd was Zane/Mentzer. Arnold just had much better proportions, flow, quality and easier more size than the rest that year. Mentzer complained but he was too blocky. I didn't think it was close in the end. Video's are far better than Pics like Dorian in 1997 or Ronnie 2001, on video both easy winners, in pics don't look it.
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After watching the video of the 1980 Mr.O i thought Arnold won and 2nd/3rd was Zane/Mentzer. Arnold just had much better proportions, flow, quality and easier more size than the rest that year. Mentzer complained but he was too blocky. I didn't think it was close in the end. Video's are far better than Pics like Dorian in 1997 or Ronnie 2001, on video both easy winners, in pics don't look it.
I think mentzer was so butt hurt after that show he quit bodybuilding and took up smoking and snorting crystal meth and cocaine.
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I think mentzer was so butt hurt after that show he quit bodybuilding and took up smoking and snorting crystal meth and cocaine.
Listened to his tape interviews from like 1991 on youtube with some mag? He is a bit stupid about training. He starts going how everyone overtrains and even one set restricts recovery....like if you don't do that one set what are you going to recover from? I train with very few sets but he went crazy. In no way did he win in 1980 no fucking way. It's not like Kai vs Heath where Kai could win in condition, Arnie was just light years ahead of them all and showed up sub par and still was better. Only Zane matched him for proportions which were excellent but he was a bit small that year. A bit bigger and Mentzer wasn't in his league either.
Also read that smoke and mirrors 2 book which half of it is on Arthur Jones, a guy who just attacks everyone else and says his system is the best (like everyone does) yet what does he look like? Never trained consistently for long periods. Stupid book why spend half of it on that.
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Without a doubt the worse Mr. O was 1981 Franco Columbo. Still the biggest travesty, among a host of other Olympia travesties, to this day. I could only imagine how Padilla and Platz felt. I stopped following pro bbing for nearly 20 years after that.
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Without a doubt the worse Mr. O was 1981 Franco Columbo. Still the biggest travesty, among a host of other Olympia travesties, to this day. I could only imagine how Padilla and Platz felt. I stopped following pro bbing for nearly 20 years after that.
damn your that old! Padilla was only 160 lbs that show but did look Insane! padilla got 5th,padilla was another guy who was butt hurt after that show and quit bodybuilding.
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damn your that old! Padilla was only 160 lbs that show but did look Insane! padilla got 5th,padilla was another guy who was butt hurt after that show and quit bodybuilding.
When you look at the conditioning Padilla achieved you can see he put everything into this show. His heart and soul and then some. Platz too looked like he went to hell and back. And to be spit your face like that because of politics.
If it made me disgusted and turned off to bodybuilding I can only imagine how Padilla must have felt. When Padilla stood next to the bow legged, gyno infested, Sardinian sidekick to Arnold, it wasn't even close. Padilla was in another league.
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I agree. I even liked his back better then because it didn't have the skin rolls as it did in later years.
His balance and shape that year were downright aesthetic.
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the last 2 by cutler were the worst both equally bad
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81 Franco
Without a doubt.
He had 1 good leg, bad gyno and small arms.
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probably a good job Lou never did win it, we'd never hear the end of it, how he put in 110 %
Can't believe that munchkin won, and yet big lou never did.
The man deserve a title.
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Franco 1981 is number one for the worst! Dorian Yates 1997 is a close second!
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1) Franco in 1981
2) Chris Dickerson in 1982 (Bannout, Makkawy and Padilla were so much better)
3) Yates after 1994 (torn biceps) (but he was great in 91 and 92)
4) Cutler
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how about almost every year Ronnie was mr.O
QFT
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07 Cutler is the worst bodybuilding decision in history. Period. Not just Olympia history, but bodybuilding history. He was just a soft, bloated mess. He shouldn't have even been in the top ten, let alone the winner.
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O' forgot. Parker ... You are delusional!
If Sonny was so great...where did he end up? And then how did he compare to the other 90s guys---Wheeler, Yates, Ray, Levrone, Taylor, Nasser, Dillett...oh, that's right he didn't. I'm not the delusional one, you are some delusional dude who had a hard on for a the guy because you trained in the same gym. Oh, you stood next to him, drooled on the floor. And he was quiet because he was wondering why this drooling man was staring at him.
Sonny, better than the 8x Mr. Olympia Lee Haney? Only on Getbig would someone say that.
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Vince Taylor once said that if Sonny Schmidt had blue eyes and blonde hair.... The Weider's would have really elevated him in the ranks
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Lee at his best in '91
Sony looks better than both there lol
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Vince Taylor once said that if Sonny Schmidt had blue eyes and blonde hair.... The Weider's would have really elevated him in the ranks
So whites and blacks were ok.....but in between was not?
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So whites and blacks were ok.....but in between was not?
I was something that Vince said.... Maybe it was because Sonny spoke with a heavy accent
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Sony looks better than both there lol
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Sonny looked better than Labrada & Ray in the rear lat spread in '91
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One thing you will notice is that Sonny pretty much only looked really good in the lat spreads. Which was the opposite of Dillett, who only looked good when not doing a lat spread.
I'd say that in terms of the lat spread of Ray, Schmidt, Labrada, I would think that they are equal. Schmidt's lower rhomboids are impressive.
Since they (Schmidt, Yates, Haney) are not doing the same pose, one cannot say that he looked better than those two.
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Everyone beat Sonny on the FDB
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Everyone beat Sonny on the FDB
People bag on Haney for his arms...but in that pose, he beats Schmidt as well. Schmidt does have him on legs, but the biggest flaw of today's bodybuilders is their big quads.
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Win goes to Sonny IMO!
Destroys them.
Guy was so underrated its a crime. Apparently a genuine and nice fella too. Perfect prey for Sarcev lol!
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1) Franco in 1981
2) Chris Dickerson in 1982 (Bannout, Makkawy and Padilla were so much better)
3) Yates after 1994 (torn biceps) (but he was great in 91 and 92)
4) Cutler
Not '93?
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Sonny had him on legs for sure! I just find that his physique flowed better than Haney that year. Total X frame, that Haney did not have. Sorry if that's the physique I think looks better. It's all subjective. Parker(idiot) how many posts agreed with me and not you dopey, and it was not because Sonny trained at my gym. So did Nasser, Milo's, Dave Fisher, Paul Jean Guillame ( great natural), Mattarazzo was there for a bit, Kovaks too, big Jim Quinn, his Vascularity is still unmatched today. I can still see it. Nasser at the time, looked like a power lifter in the off season. That was the year he took second. That was when I first started there. Dianna Dennis, Sue Price, Sandra Blackie, Shelly Beatie, Roger Stewart, etc... It was the spot to be at the time! I was just starting out really, so these guys made you train hard! Great inspiration, being a small fish in a big pond so to speak! Man I Practically lived there. Really motivating, great times. I'm sure from this post, someone will know exactly what gym and what city this was!!
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Parker, I take back what I said. You are prolly a beginner or novice. So I can't fault you for your ineptitude! You just have not been around to really see and compare up close what each one of these guys looked liked to have a comparison. It's really what you prefer in a physique. You might like Haney? I prefer more legs, so obviously I am going to go with Sonny. O' forgot in my last post, someone who really looked impressive to me in person training and talking with him, was Victor Richards! It was at the time he was coming out to promote his supplements. Might have just been his protein powder? But he was not fat. He was in shape! I just remember his great proportions. From arms to calves. Impressive in the gym!
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Sonny had him on legs for sure! I just find that his physique flowed better than Haney that year. Total X frame, that Haney did not have. Sorry if that's the physique I think looks better. It's all subjective. Parker(idiot) how many posts agreed with me and not you dopey, and it was not because Sonny trained at my gym. So did Nasser, Milo's, Dave Fisher, Paul Jean Guillame ( great natural), Mattarazzo was there for a bit, Kovaks too, big Jim Quinn, his Vascularity is still unmatched today. I can still see it. Nasser at the time, looked like a power lifter in the off season. That was the year he took second. That was when I first started there. Dianna Dennis, Sue Price, Sandra Blackie, Shelly Beatie, Roger Stewart, etc... It was the spot to be at the time! I was just starting out really, so these guys made you train hard! Great inspiration, being a small fish in a big pond so to speak! Man I Practically lived there. Really motivating, great times. I'm sure from this post, someone will know exactly what gym and what city this was!!
Sonny had good legs. And that was it.
As far as liking Haney, I don't really. But he is 8X O for a reason, and Sonny basically got blown away by the 90s competition. Sunny and X-frame? You must be on the same stuff Sonny was on, cocaine. Because Sonny had a very poor taper. This is like the first time ever anyone has said that Sonny Schmidt was better than Lee Haney, ever. And I am not even a Lee Haney fan.
As far as novice, you actually mentioned Victor Richards, the man who was so hyped up, but never stepped on stage in shape? Now we know who the novice is.
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Parker, I said Victor Richards was not fat! He was in good shape. Read again. I said he looked good in the gym. Which he did. He looked amazing. Remember, he was trying to sell a product, so he had to look pretty good to go around doing that. This was not a real young Richards. I'll tell you though, his proportions were crazy. He was kind of a Dennis James, in the fact that he looked like Mr O, there in the gym. Never said he was on stage! As for Sonny, I just prefer his physique to Haney in every way. That's just my opinion. You can have yours. I know how many Mr O's Haney won, but he saw the writing on the wall as he was no longer going to be the biggest, hardest, best proportioned man on stage when the 9O's got going. Same with labrada. 170 pounds on stage was not going to cut it in the 90's, and yes I prefer Sonny's physique to Labradas as well! We just have a different opinion. It's not the end of the word.
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And Haney would kill to look like Sonny from the waste down. Not even close there, and Haney had no calves. Not to mention Quads and hams. Whatever. Different era.
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Parker, I said Victor Richards was not fat! He was in good shape. Read again. I said he looked good in the gym. Which he did. He looked amazing. Remember, he was trying to sell a product, so he had to look pretty good to go around doing that. This was not a real young Richards. I'll tell you though, his proportions were crazy. He was kind of a Dennis James, in the fact that he looked like Mr O, there in the gym. Never said he was on stage! As for Sonny, I just prefer his physique to Haney in every way. That's just my opinion. You can have yours. I know how many Mr O's Haney won, but he saw the writing on the wall as he was no longer going to be the biggest, hardest, best proportioned man on stage when the 9O's got going. Same with labrada. 170 pounds on stage was not going to cut it in the 90's, and yes I prefer Sonny's physique to Labradas as well! We just have a different opinion. It's not the end of the word.
BTw, here is sonny getting killed on the MM pose, as you said, the handwriting was on the wall. Great striations, but he was nothing special. No real separation, no real fullness. Just doesn't impress me. Like Porter Cottrell, and 90s Robby Robinson, and later John Sherman. They were not impressive.
(http://www.fisicoculturismo.org/fotos/albums/sonny-schmidt/fotos_sonny_schmidt_007.jpg)
(http://www.bodybuilding-pics.com/165/images/Sonny_Schmidt_photo107.jpg)
Also, Haney would not have killed for Sonny's quads, if Lee wanted bigger quads he would have gotten them. He retired at a pretty young age.
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First of all, Sonny is hardly getting killed in that shot. How you forget he is in the picture with at the time the two best BB's of that time. So you disproved your own point!!! C'mon man, you have to be brighter. No flow? No X frame? What are you on? And this was before the word X frame was even being used, and sorry but Haney could not get better legs or he would have. His calves were pathetic. You have to remember that these contest pics posted were at the end of Haney's era. He got out because Dorian, and even Sonny were starting to crush him. It was the beginning of a new era. When you actually had to have legs! Someone posted earlier on this thread something about Sonny which was correct having known him. It was that he was Samoan, his English was not the best, he rarely spoke at all!!! Very quiet. Even his best friends would say this. The weider machine was not going to have him as a front runner for Mr O. Also, every single person I mentioned in my posts, I trained right next to, with, saw them up close, and talked with them. So my perspective might be a little different than yours. Another example: Arron Baker! Forgot to mention him. Totally screwed at his prime. I can tell you for a fact that seeing him in the gym, that he looked f-n amazing! If you saw him, you would want that physique any day! Outstanding proportions as well. Back then, it was the Weider machine all the way. He called the shots and had the judges do so also. Peace. Ah,... Lousy taper? You are most definitely a noob, or an Iron Age dude, who won't recognize anything post 93. Get your head out of your ass!😳
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I think I made my point! ::) I like how you posted the worst shots of him you could find, yet he was still up there with the top 5. Get it together Parker.
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No, he didn't.....at least, not against the competition he faced at the time. He should have competed after Arnold retired, if the Olympia were that important to him. But, getting that Hulk role was too much to pass up and ultimately ended up being the smart move for him.
Agreed
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SONNY COULD BE THE 90'S VERSION OF TONEY FREEMAN XMAN,,,
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07 Cutler is the worst bodybuilding decision in history. Period. Not just Olympia history, but bodybuilding history. He was just a soft, bloated mess. He shouldn't have even been in the top ten, let alone the winner.
Go back and look at the pics from Franco winning the 1981 Olympia and you will clearly see, it is the worst decision, by far.
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SONNY COULD BE THE 90'S VERSION OF TONEY FREEMAN XMAN,,,
I have always been a big fan of the X-man.....is he still competing?...out of all the pro's I would have liked to have had his physique
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I have always been a big fan of the X-man.....is he still competing?...out of all the pro's I would have liked to have had his physique
YES..
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First of all, Sonny is hardly getting killed in that shot. How you forget he is in the picture with at the time the two best BB's of that time. So you disproved your own point!!! C'mon man, you have to be brighter. No flow? No X frame? What are you on? And this was before the word X frame was even being used, and sorry but Haney could not get better legs or he would have. His calves were pathetic. You have to remember that these contest pics posted were at the end of Haney's era. He got out because Dorian, and even Sonny were starting to crush him. It was the beginning of a new era. When you actually had to have legs! Someone posted earlier on this thread something about Sonny which was correct having known him. It was that he was Samoan, his English was not the best, he rarely spoke at all!!! Very quiet. Even his best friends would say this. The weider machine was not going to have him as a front runner for Mr O. Also, every single person I mentioned in my posts, I trained right next to, with, saw them up close, and talked with them. So my perspective might be a little different than yours. Another example: Arron Baker! Forgot to mention him. Totally screwed at his prime. I can tell you for a fact that seeing him in the gym, that he looked f-n amazing! If you saw him, you would want that physique any day! Outstanding proportions as well. Back then, it was the Weider machine all the way. He called the shots and had the judges do so also. Peace. Ah,... Lousy taper? You are most definitely a noob, or an Iron Age dude, who won't recognize anything post 93. Get your head out of your ass!😳
Your post doesn't make a lot of sense.
An era where you actually had to have legs? I'm sorry! How many times did Haney beat Tom Platz again?
And if this were about race, why do the two men with the most Sandows just happen to be black? In fact, don't we have 5 black Mr. O winners, including the current champion?
Schmidt was nowhere near Haney's level, not even in true contention for the title. He can't get past guys much smaller than he was (Ray, Labrada).
Haney retired because there was nothing else for him to do. The last conquest was breaking Schwarzenegger's record. Once he did that, it was time to take his ball and go home.
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Your post doesn't make a lot of sense.
An era where you actually had to have legs? I'm sorry! How many times did Haney beat Tom Platz again?
And if this were about race, why do the two men with the most Sandows just happen to be black? In fact, don't we have 5 black Mr. O winners, including the current champion?
Schmidt was nowhere near Haney's level, not even in true contention for the title. He can't get past guys much smaller than he was (Ray, Labrada).
Haney retired because there was nothing else for him to do. The last conquest was breaking Schwarzenegger's record. Once he did that, it was time to take his ball and go home.
you're much better and much more knowledgeable about bodybuilding than about political issues...good job...stick to your strength ;D
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One thing you will notice is that Sonny pretty much only looked really good in the lat spreads. Which was the opposite of Dillett, who only looked good when not doing a lat spread.
I'd say that in terms of the lat spread of Ray, Schmidt, Labrada, I would think that they are equal. Schmidt's lower rhomboids are impressive.
Since they (Schmidt, Yates, Haney) are not doing the same pose, one cannot say that he looked better than those two.
Dillett lat spread from the front looked amazing, from the back usually a different story... Schmidt had a great physique, in certain poses looked awesome, in others not so much, i'd say he is/was underrated... Not a MrO, but fairly complete...
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'81 Franco was the worst Mr O... hands down. Personally, I feel Padilla was the best man that day, but I wouldn't complain if they had given it to Platz.
I have a feeling that all the Mr O competitors from the 90's who placed 2nd-10th wish they were competing against today's Mr O. competitors. Any one of them would've cleaned these current "pros" clocks.
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'81 Franco was the worst Mr O... hands down. Personally, I feel Padilla was the best man that day, but I wouldn't complain if they had given it to Platz.
I have a feeling that all the Mr O competitors from the 90's who placed 2nd-10th wish they were competing against today's Mr O. competitors. Any one of them would've cleaned these current "pros" clocks.
much agreed......I wish those guys were still competing....they had such great personalities as well. I'd even settle for King Kamali coming back at this point :D
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Mcway, you completely got my post backwards about the legs. That number 1. Number 2, what the hell does race have to do with anything? Why did you bring up race! All I said was Sonny was Samoan and very quiet..I don't know what you mean about race? I'm to tired and have too much to do than go back and forth with you, when you can't even understand my post! :P
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Mcway, you completely got my post backwards about the legs. That number 1. Number 2, what the hell does race have to do with anything? Why did you bring up race! All I said was Sonny was Samoan and very quiet..I don't know what you mean about race? I'm to tired and have too much to do than go back and forth with you, when you can't even understand my post! :P
you have to understand that sometimes McWay overdoses on Orange Cell-Tech and doesn't think straight :)
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n true contention for the title. He can't get past guys much smaller than he was (Ray, Labrada).
Haney retired because there was nothing else for him to do. The last conquest was breaking Schwarzenegger's record. Once he did that, it was time to take his ball and go home.
Listen about 7:30 Haney hinted he would be back , if you don't think Yates was part of the reason he decided to retire you're kidding yourself. Haney had everything to lose and nothing to gain by competing in 92 . he retired in his best shape ever and went out ontop , the same can't be said for Dorian , Ronnie , Jay and Dexter.
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Listen about 7:30 Haney hinted he would be back , if you don't think Yates was part of the reason he decided to retire you're kidding yourself. Haney had everything to lose and nothing to gain by competing in 92 . he retired in his best shape ever and went out ontop , the same can't be said for Dorian , Ronnie , Jay and Dexter.
Could you blame him?
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Could you blame him?
Hell no. That's why I admire Haney but Dorian would have beat him easily in 93 and Flex may have as well.
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Read previous post Parker, and McWay! Wake up!!! Haney was not going to keep winning as you said, or out of the blue, create great legs. You are delusional. All the 90's guys were going to smoke him! ::) which is why he smartly stepped aside and went out on top.
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Hell, IMO even Charles Clairmont would have smoked him! Let alone Zane, Dickerson, Samir, Franco, etc,,, you get the idea. They won Olympias just like Haney. Does that make them better because the win an O'? NO IT DOESN'T. Deal.
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I mean c'mon. He was great for his time, but as you can see from everyother BB I posted, they surpassed him. Everyone has a preference, and for me, I was not crazy about his structure. A little top heavy. As you can see too, I don't post a bad picture of him to prove my point!
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I mean c'mon. He was great for his time, but as you can see from everyother BB I posted, they surpassed him. Everyone has a preference, and for me, I was not crazy about his structure. A little top heavy. As you can see too, I don't post a bad picture of him to prove my point!
Haney doesn't get the respect he deserves, even as an 8 time champ. Pictures do not do him justice.
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I can agree with that! Same goes for other body builders. It's said all the time and I agree because I saw him in competition shape, and pictures did not do him justice. I'm talking about Dorian!!! In person, no one was close. You just had to see him up close. The density, hardness, thin skin, whatever? He looked insane! No one was close. So I agree.
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Mcway, you completely got my post backwards about the legs. That number 1. Number 2, what the hell does race have to do with anything? Why did you bring up race! All I said was Sonny was Samoan and very quiet..I don't know what you mean about race? I'm to tired and have too much to do than go back and forth with you, when you can't even understand my post! :P
You're the one who brought up Schmidt's being Samoan and how he talks as to why he couldn't be Mr. Olympia. Why bring up his race, if your point was simply that he's quiet?
Read previous post Parker, and McWay! Wake up!!! Haney was not going to keep winning as you said, or out of the blue, create great legs. You are delusional. All the 90's guys were going to smoke him! ::) which is why he smartly stepped aside and went out on top.
Haney, technically, was a 90s guys, number one. Plus, he'd already beaten Dorian once. You're assuming he couldn't do so again, as if he'd just stay stagnant while Yates (and others) just linearly improved.
Haney had nothing left to prove, after breaking Arnold's record. That's why he left.
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Hell no. That's why I admire Haney but Dorian would have beat him easily in 93 and Flex may have as well.
Again, that's under the assumption that Haney would look exactly the way he did in '91. If Yates can put up 15 lbs of new mass, why can't Haney?
We've seen that, at the same bodyweight, Haney beats Yates due to having a smaller waist and better proportions.
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Funny, as Haney was at the end of his career, and Dorian was just starting. You continue do make no sense. Get off Haney's jock already. He was ok for his time. I suppose he was better than Ronnie at his best too? Just give it up.
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McWAY, how many people have to tell you that you are wrong? ::)
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Ronnie Coleman 2001 Arnold Classic. Just wow! :o
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Padilla was robbed. Franco should never have won in '81 and Dickerson was a poor choice later on as well. Coleman looked like a pod from Invasion of the Blobbysnatchers.
Bigger isn't always better, its just always bigger. Stupid schomes.
Yup, this. Padilla was robbed.
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Funny, as Haney was at the end of his career, and Dorian was just starting. You continue do make no sense. Get off Haney's jock already. He was ok for his time. I suppose he was better than Ronnie at his best too? Just give it up.
There was only a 3-year age difference between the two. So, it's hardly as if Haney was long in the tooth. Haney retired at 31, hardly eligible for Medicare.
You're one to talk about being on someone's jock. I'm surprised Dorian doesn't need a cigarette, after all of your posturing.
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That's why I posted Ronnie's tight condition. Blob? Are you kidding? Be honest. Ronnie at the 2001 ASC was crazy in shape! You are lying to yourself.
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Haney doesn't get the respect he deserves, even as an 8 time champ. Pictures do not do him justice.
This. I was never really impressed with Lee...until I met him in person. Pictures DID NOT do him justice.
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I can agree with that! Same goes for other body builders. It's said all the time and I agree because I saw him in competition shape, and pictures did not do him justice. I'm talking about Dorian!!! In person, no one was close. You just had to see him up close. The density, hardness, thin skin, whatever? He looked insane! No one was close. So I agree.
Indeed, Dorian was the best example of this.
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McWAY, ahh. Let's see, I mentioned about 30 BB's in this whole thread. Mentioned Dorian once!!!! You have been on a non stop tirade about Haney! Just read all the posts. Which maybe you should do before spouting off nonsense. Again!.... :o
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Merry Christmas everyone. I'm out! :)
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I don't think you can compare Haney and Ronnie.....I think Haney was great for his time and I believe that Haney's reign came before the huge use in insulin and Hgh...after the 90's that's why you started seeing the huge increase in protruding bellies and distended stomachs in so many pros from the early 2000's on
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Again, that's under the assumption that Haney would look exactly the way he did in '91. If Yates can put up 15 lbs of new mass, why can't Haney?
We've seen that, at the same bodyweight, Haney beats Yates due to having a smaller waist and better proportions.
Yates didn't put on 15lbs of muscle from one year to the next , he was already as big in 92 as he was in 93 the only difference is he didn't over diet and burn off pure muscle. Haney competed at 257lbs in 1989 and admittedly he was to heavy and his condition suffered for it.
And they weren't the same weight in 1991, Haney was 249lbs and Dorian was 239lbs and beat Haney in the muscularity round to boot.! Dorian 1993 would easily beat Haney at his best 1991. Haney 1991 would have a hard tie beating Flex 1993 and probably Levrone too
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In 1992 Lee Haney said, in his opinion, that 1991 NPC National Champion Kevin Levrone was going to dominate the sport
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I think I made my point! ::) I like how you posted the worst shots of him you could find, yet he was still up there with the top 5. Get it together Parker.
Yes, you proved that in certain poses, he was mediocre. That FDB is atrocious. It shows his lack of shape and flow when it comes to his taper. His back is decent....far better detail than Dillett's. And Sonny had a great front lat spread. A true X-Frame is Freeman or Cormier. As I said, Sonny Didnt do so well after Levrone, Flex and others enter the picture. By 93, The top 6 were Dorian, Flex, Shawn, Labrada, Levrone, Dillett. Sonny was 8th. Shawn just started hitting his stride, add in Nasser, and you'll see that in the 90s, Sonny Didnt have what it took to be one of the best. Period.
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Yes, you proved that in certain poses, he was mediocre. That FDB is atrocious. It shows his lack of shape and flow when it comes to his taper. His back is decent....far better detail than Dillett's. And Sonny had a great front lat spread. A true X-Frame is Freeman or Cormier. As I said, Sonny Didnt do so well after Levrone, Flex and others enter the picture. By 93, The top 6 were Dorian, Flex, Shawn, Labrada, Levrone, Dillett. Sonny was 8th. Shawn just started hitting his stride, add in Nasser, and you'll see that in the 90s, Sonny Didnt have what it took to be one of the best. Period.
I agree with this....in the 90's there were so many elite guys at one time it was just tough to break through if you weren't genetically superior......it was tough for guys like Sonny and Sarcev
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Again, that's under the assumption that Haney would look exactly the way he did in '91. If Yates can put up 15 lbs of new mass, why can't Haney?
We've seen that, at the same bodyweight, Haney beats Yates due to having a smaller waist and better proportions.
I can agree with that... Although ND is right about Yates being already huge in 1992, overdieting some of his mass away contrary to 1993, it's pretty much accepted that he was one of the firsts to really push the gas on GH and overall dosages... Haney was probably more conservative, so who knows what improvements he could have made following the same path...Yes, you proved that in certain poses, he was mediocre. That FDB is atrocious. It shows his lack of shape and flow when it comes to his taper. His back is decent....far better detail than Dillett's. And Sonny had a great front lat spread. A true X-Frame is Freeman or Cormier. As I said, Sonny Didnt do so well after Levrone, Flex and others enter the picture. By 93, The top 6 were Dorian, Flex, Shawn, Labrada, Levrone, Dillett. Sonny was 8th. Shawn just started hitting his stride, add in Nasser, and you'll see that in the 90s, Sonny Didnt have what it took to be one of the best. Period.
In my opinion the very true X frame was Dillett, tiny waist, huge lats with low insertions to widest clavicles/shoulders and huge legs with insane sweep... Greatest and perfect structure for bodybuilding...
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We've seen that, at the same bodyweight, Haney beats Yates due to having a smaller waist and better proportions.
That was also under the context of a 7 time reigning Mr. Olympia in the best shape of his career facing a new guy in his first Mr. O.
I believe Yates surpassed Haney, even with the theoretical weight add.
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Yates didn't put on 15lbs of muscle from one year to the next , he was already as big in 92 as he was in 93 the only difference is he didn't over diet and burn off pure muscle. Haney competed at 257lbs in 1989 and admittedly he was to heavy and his condition suffered for it.
And they weren't the same weight in 1991, Haney was 249lbs and Dorian was 239lbs and beat Haney in the muscularity round to boot.! Dorian 1993 would easily beat Haney at his best 1991. Haney 1991 would have a hard tie beating Flex 1993 and probably Levrone too
When this contest took place, Haney was listed at 241 and Yates at 239. Just looking at them, it hardly look like a 10-lb difference between the two.
My point was that assuming that Haney could not make a metamorphosis similar to Yates is a bit of a stretch. Yates would have to be larger than Haney to beat him, because Haney has better proportion.
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That was also under the context of a 7 time reigning Mr. Olympia in the best shape of his career facing a new guy in his first Mr. O.
I believe Yates surpassed Haney, even with the theoretical weight add.
Gotta pick a fight with you on this one, Grape.....I agree with you that Yates surpassed Haney in size possibly, but in over all appearance, lines, and aesthetics I gotta give it to Haney...
If YOU had to pick, which body would you want>?..which would be more pleasing to the eye?
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When this contest took place, Haney was listed at 241 and Yates at 239. Just looking at them, it hardly look like a 10-lb difference between the two.
My point was that assuming that Haney could not make a metamorphosis similar to Yates is a bit of a stretch. Yates would have to be larger than Haney to beat him, because Haney has better proportion.
Haney said he was 249lbs in 1991 and Yates said he was 239lbs at this contest and in some pics you can tell especially that front double biceps pose
Yates didn't need to be bigger than Lee to beat him in the muscularity round. Haney already competed at 257lbs and said he was out of shape , he admits 1991 he finally learned how to peak the day of the contest and he was just under 250lbs at his best , saying he could be heavier and maintain that conditioning is a stretch in my opinion. Dorian 1993 would soundly beat Haney 1991
I believe it was Lenda Murray who said " He's like Haney....with legs. " about Dorian at the 1991 Mr Olympia.
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Gotta pick a fight with you on this one, Grape.....I agree with you that Yates surpassed Haney in size possibly, but in over all appearance, lines, and aesthetics I gotta give it to Haney...
If YOU had to pick, which body would you want>?..which would be more pleasing to the eye?
It's all good.
I believe under the judging criteria Yates would win. Even if they were similar in size, Yates had him on conditioning, hardness, legs, and overall freak factor. I've seen him in person, at the olympia, NoC, and guest posing at 305. He was like a cartoon character.
Haney had a cool physique, no doubt, especially in terms of the upper body "wedge" shape. I just think Yates would win.
Which body would I want? Neither. Too limiting from an athletic standpoint.
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1) Franco in 1981
2) Chris Dickerson in 1982 (Bannout, Makkawy and Padilla were so much better)
3) Yates after 1994 (torn biceps) (but he was great in 91 and 92)
4) Cutler
Time for an updated list?
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Time for an updated list?
Nah, still the same.