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So looks like Texas but a block on Obamas plan to magically wave a pen and make 5 million people legal.
President announced "commonsense policies to help fix our broken immigration system."
I'm not exactly sure how he thinks this is going to reform anything. Nothing is being changed.
I believe he is just making more voters for his party. Pretty much selling America out for votes
I'm all for immigration reform. The simple fact is we who is be very selective in who we let in. I understand everyone wants in the us. But that's just not possible
Harvard only let's in those who are the elite. They just don't let anyone community college kid transfer. You have to have money or be the best of the best with a track record to prove it. I don't understand why the U.S. shouldn't be the same. We can't just let millions in with no trade skilles or education to just drain the system
Unless your a liberal which is exactly their voting base.
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BB-related: Jose Raymond is probably an illegal
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/contest_media/7982/8552/d/jose_raymond_051252734111.jpg)
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Great news, now they can pay their fare share of taxes
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Great news, now they can pay their fare share of taxes
That's raise another issue illegals are not going to make near enough to pay there fair share. They will end up getting more back then they paid because of their large families. Not to mention all the special educational free money they get.
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Imagine how we feel in the UK
ANY ONE in the EU can come over.
go on the dole get £70.00 a week, free housing, free health care!
absolutely rinsing out counrty dry.
and then the lazy cnts that live here having 9 kids to get free housing and some of them are getting around 2k a month £. some alot more. its a fukin joke.
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Imagine how we feel in the UK
ANY ONE in the EU can come over.
go on the dole get £70.00 a week, free housing, free health care!
absolutely rinsing out counrty dry.
and then the lazy cnts that live here having 9 kids to get free housing and some of them are getting around 2k a month £. some alot more. its a fukin joke.
Sounds just like the immigrants over here. I feel your pain. I just don't under stand how people think this is going to be benifical to their country. It's cleary not going to be and already proved to not to work.
The days of people coming over to really make somthing of them selfs died with the last generation. The new generation wants free handouts and it's only going to get worse
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Great news.
More gyms will be built and cleaner bathrooms.
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So looks like Texas but a block on Obamas plan to magically wave a pen and make 5 million people legal.
President announced "commonsense policies to help fix our broken immigration system."
I'm not exactly sure how he thinks this is going to reform anything. Nothing is being changed.
I believe he is just making more voters for his party. Pretty much selling America out for votes
I'm all for immigration reform. The simple fact is we who is be very selective in who we let in. I understand everyone wants in the us. But that's just not possible
Harvard only let's in those who are the elite. They just don't let anyone community college kid transfer. You have to have money or be the best of the best with a track record to prove it. I don't understand why the U.S. shouldn't be the same. We can't just let millions in with no trade skilles or education to just drain the system
Unless your a liberal which is exactly their voting base.
I agree.
The American immigration system is certainly stronger and tougher than Europe's. However it does have its weaknesses which primarily seem to stem from its border control.
The policy of taking quotas of people from third world countries is also a disaster. For example the green card lottery is unfair.
Brits are by default not permitted to enter the green card lottery, whilst Somalian's are. I understand that the US government may want to prevent the proliferation of potential Brits taking over Getbig, but at least they wont be selling drugs and organising rape gangs, like they do in Europe.
Also the US skilled migrant visa system is shit as well. Its only purpose is to facilitate cheap labour by bringing in truckloads of indians. However if you are a highly skilled, tax paying, law abiding citizen with a load of experience and qualifictions, financially secure with enough money to self fund you cannot enter the US.
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Sounds just like the immigrants over here. I feel your pain. I just don't under stand how people think this is going to be benifical to their country. It's cleary not going to be and already proved to not to work.
The days of people coming over to really make somthing of them selfs died with the last generation. The new generation wants free handouts and it's only going to get worse
The UK and the US are in serious financial trouble currently.
And this free for all mentality just isnt working.
after world war 2 - when alot of italians came over, they fucking worked, in cotton mills, factories ect.
they felt blessed to get a chance and embraced the country worked there arse off..
now its this generation nothing mentality lazy, want everything handed on a plate. pathetic
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FVCKING day can't come soon enough for the end of this shit presidency January 20, 2017
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I agree.
The American immigration system is certainly stronger and tougher than Europe's. However it does have its weaknesses which primarily seem to stem from its border control.
The policy of taking quotas of people from third world countries is also a disaster. For example the green card lottery is unfair.
Brits are by default not permitted to enter the green card lottery, whilst Somalian's are. I understand that the US government may want to prevent the proliferation of potential Brits taking over Getbig, but at least they wont be selling drugs and organising rape gangs, like they do in Europe.
Also the US skilled migrant visa system is shit as well. Its only purpose is to facilitate cheap labour by bringing in truckloads of indians. However if you are a highly skilled, tax paying, law abiding citizen with a load of experience and qualifictions, financially secure with enough money to self fund you cannot enter the US.
Exactly it makes zero since, let's those that bring nothing to the table why those who are from terrible in the
country by the truck load. You think that Somalians that are from a country where they are brought up with zero laws are just going to automatically adapted to a structured society? Of course not there going to bring all that lawlessness behavior with them along with, zero education, zero skill trades and pre-exposed nature of violence being more exectable. I've seen it first hand
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FVCKING day can't come soon enough for the end of this shit presidency January 20, 2017
Your telling me. I'm just afraid he laid the ground work for something much much worse for other to use later. I don't know if the damage can be reversed
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we have alot of romanians coming here thinking its going to be paradise, and then most end up on the streets.
polish coming here, yes they work, but they dont put back into the economy they send the money back home.
accident and emergency room filled with crack-heads heroin addicts, people that have scrapes on their knees, our health care is stetched to fuck.
in other european countries you have to PAY if you get injured there, not in the UK here, have surgery on us!
i think there should at least be a charge to go to A+E.
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we have alot of romanins comming here thinking its going to be paradise, and then most end up on the streets.
polish coming herem yes they work, but they dont put back into the economy they send the money back home.
accident and emergancy room filled with crack heads heroin addicts, people that have a scrape on their knee, our health care is stetched to fuck.
in other european contries you have to PAY if you get injured there, not in the UK here have surgery on us!
i think there should at least be a charge to go to A+E
They can always get jobs in the gyms as elite trainers getting folks ready for competitions.
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Here's a good one....fucking neighbors loser junkie 22 year old son OD's in the house last week.
I look out my front window and see a fire truck an ambulance...2 police cruisers and a detective car.
After 20-30 mins I'm expecting to see him brought out in a body bag....Never happened...They shot him with Narcan and said have a nice day. Guess what happened again 2 nights ago ?
Is this how shit works nowadays? Should anyone have left in hand cuffs?
Must cost taxpayers a small fortune for a response like this!
Pathetic society :-\
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we have alot of romanins comming here thinking its going to be paradise, and then most end up on the streets.
polish coming herem yes they work, but they dont put back into the economy they send the money back home.
accident and emergancy room filled with crack heads heroin addicts, people that have a scrape on their knee, our health care is stetched to fuck.
in other european contries you have to PAY if you get injured there, not in the UK here have surgery on us!
i think there should at least be a charge to go to A+E
Well here is the problem in the us with the health care reform act. If you don't make any money your insurance is subsidized by those who make more then you. So if you are successful and do well for your self you have to paying in a very large amount of money in order to cove the cost of the ones they don't pay. If you don't you get fined. The idiots that get subsidized running around calling it "free healthcare" when the truth is nothing is free. There are just people paying your portion like always
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Here's a good one,,,,fucking neighbors loser junkie 22 year old son OD's in the house last week.
I look out my front window and see a fire truck an ambulance...2 police cruisers and a detective car.
After 20-30 mins I'm expecting to see him brought out in a body bag....Never happened...They shot him with Narcan and said have a nice day.Guess what happened again 2 nights ago ?
Is this how shit works now a days? Should anyone have left in hand cuffs?
Must cost taxpayers a small fortune for a response like this.
Pathetic society :-\
What would have been better for society is to let him die because of his own doing instead of allowing him to keep drain society
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I like Mexicans. The ones that are here and established as legal citizens can stay. But the rest of them belong in Mexico, not here. And the border needs to be shut completely. Mexico needs to "grow up" and learn how to be civilized and prosper on their own.
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I like Mexicans. The ones that are here and established as legal citizens can stay. But the rest of them belong in Mexico, not here. And the border needs to be shut completely. Mexico needs to "grow up" and learn how to be civilized and prosper on their own.
Absolutely this has nothing to do with dislike for another races this has everything to do with makes this country better off for everyone here legally paying their dues.
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Elites need people to vote and work for them. It will always be the same.
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FVCKING day can't come soon enough for the end of this shit presidency January 20, 2017
it will only get worse whoever is elected next.
White people dont reproduce anymore in both europe and north america, as a result they ll be outnumbered by latinos in north america, and african, middle easterns in europe. It's simple maths.
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Here's a good one,,,,fucking neighbors loser junkie 22 year old son OD's in the house last week.
I look out my front window and see a fire truck an ambulance...2 police cruisers and a detective car.
After 20-30 mins I'm expecting to see him brought out in a body bag....Never happened...They shot him with Narcan and said have a nice day.Guess what happened again 2 nights ago ?
Is this how shit works now a days? Should anyone have left in hand cuffs?
Must cost taxpayers a small fortune for a response like this.
Pathetic society :-\
hello, if he dies, the paramedics will have LESS WORK...the system benefits EVERYONE.
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Elites need people to vote and work for them. It will always be the same.
Of course that's how a successful economy works someone has to wirk their way to the top. That dosent mean the elite can't have a larger middle-class working for them. Instead of a larger group of unskilled lower class working for them. The middle class is what runs this countrys economy with consumer spending. What do you think happens when you whip out the middle-class and only have ultra-Rich and poor?? You get Mexico.
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They should pay tribute since the roads they walk on were built with other people effort and work.
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Absolutely this has nothing to do with dislike for another races this has everything to do with makes this country better off for everyone here legally paying their dues.
Lazy_Dike showing extreme ignorance in this thread.
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Of course that's how a successful economy works someone has to wirk their way to the top. That dosent mean the elite can't have a larger middle class working for them. Instead of a larger group of unskilled lower class working for them. Th middle class is what runs this countrys economy with consumer spending. What do you think happens when you whip out the middle class abd only have ultra Rich and poor?? You get Mexico.
That's the plan, dumbshit.
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That's the plan, dumbshit.
Lol I know. Kinda the point behind the comparison
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Lol I know. Kinda the point behind the comparison
So quit trying to pretend it is "reform". You're only helping it along.
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So quit trying to pretend it is "reform". You're only helping it along.
I clearly stated it wasn't a reform and he's just making more voters. None of his actions have even hinted at a imagination reform
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I clearly stated it wasn't a reform and he's just making more voters. None of his actions have even hinted at a imagination reform
When you say stupid shit like this...
I'm all for immigration reform. The simple fact is we who is be very selective in who we let in. I understand everyone wants in the us. But that's just not possible
You are inviting nothing but problems. Because a motherfcker will step up and tell you that we "need" the people we are letting in. It's that simple.
Obama has done exactly that.
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i dont get it.. all americans (except butchered natives) are imigrants,, why the fuck would they need a imigration law ? anyway its a fucking shithole there, only mexicans are interested in that garbage
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When you say stupid shit like this...
You are inviting nothing but problems. Because a motherfcker will step up and tell you that we "need" the people we are letting in. It's that simple.
Obama has done exactly that.
You need people willing to work for lower wages of course. Here's an idea instead of letting immigrants in to take those jobs. You forces the people on welfare to get out and take them instead of them sitting at home. Maybe it will instill what it is to work a day for pay.
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humans are animals, the strongest maintain the weakest alive to benefit from them.
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humans are animals, the strongest maintain the weakest alive to benefit from them.
That's social Darwinism the liberals said that dosnt exist and everyone is equal back in the 60's. Said it just promotes racial inquailty and strengthen stereotypes. Not joking that's way it was deemed incorrect
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You need people willing to work for lower wages of course.
At the expense of our current problems? Problems that will continue to grow with no end in sight? Because that's exactly what we bought with such a stupid idea.
The problems need to be handled without using immigrants.
Here's an idea instead of letting immigrants in to take those jobs. You forces the people on welfare to get out and take them instead of them sitting at home. Maybe it will instill what it is to work a day for pay.
Then that's the idea you need to stand by. Stick with it, because it makes sense.
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At the expense of our current problems? Problems that will continue to grow with no end in sight? Because that's exactly what we bought with such a stupid idea.
Then that's the idea you need to stand by. Stick with it, because it makes sense.
IM not sure what your getting at. People have to work for lower wages. Bring up minimum wages just increased inflation. If their are people willing to work low income jobs for the rest of their life's so be it. Those that want a change do what they need to do to advance themselfs in society. Don't just let illegals do the shitty jobs because show how you think your to good to do it while you sit at home all day with 3 kids and live off tax payers. Cut down and be more selective on immigration. Stop giving free money out and give people incentives to work. Because if you don't have to do shit there is no reason to go get a job.
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The end results of making millions of poor uneducated and unskilled illegals legal will be an increase in the dependency class. More people on the bottom who consume more in benefits than pay in. Immigration is problematic in a welfare state.
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The end results of making millions of poor uneducated and unskilled illegals legal will be an increase in the dependency class. More people on the bottom who consume more in benefits than pay in. Immigration is problematic in a welfare state.
100% but if your party's base is those who are the dependency class and usually minorites that's a huge advantage in votes
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100% but if your party's base is those who are the dependency class and usually minorites that's a huge advantage in votes
And that's exactly what's happened. The more people dependent on government the more power government has. I don't know how anyone can look at the developments in the western nations without concern. Not to sound like a conspiracy theorist but I often wonder what exactly the ultimate goal is. Some of the smarter of that bunch must realize the system can't sustain itself. Are we really seeing the implementation of the Cloward-Piven strategy.
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IM not sure what your getting at. People have to work for lower wages. Bring up minimum wages just increased inflation. If their are people willing to work low income jobs for the rest of their life's so be it. Those that want a change do what they need to do to advance themselfs in society. Don't just let illegals do the shitty jobs because show how you think your to good to do it while you sit at home all day with 3 kids and live off tax payers. Cut down and be more selective on immigration. Stop giving free money out and give people incentives to work. Because if you don't have to do shit there is no reason to go get a job.
You can't have it both ways.
You can't use immigrants as a "solution" when it only makes the problem worse. You're setting yourself up to bitch about it.
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You can't have it both ways.
You can't use immigrants as a "solution" when it only makes the problem worse. You're setting yourself up to bitch about it.
Are you not understand the context of this conversation? When did I say it was a solution I don't even no what you are talking about. The only thing I've said is that it's needs reform and magicly making 5 million people just adds to the overall problem in the us
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And that's exactly what's happened. The more people dependent on government the more power government has. I don't know how anyone can look at the developments in the western nations without concern. Not to sound like a conspiracy theorist but I often wonder what exactly the ultimate goal is. Some of the smarter of that bunch must realize the system can't sustain itself. Are we really seeing the implementation of the Cloward-Piven strategy.
I've also wondered what the grand plan is... It seems to me honestly is to blame the white people for all the problems in society. It sure looks like it's headed towards a socialistic society
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Americans cutting back on birth rates was at least in part to advancements, etc, that lowered individual opportunities. It was like a collective conscience sort of thing, looking out for their children and grandchildren. Now some assholes at the top of the supply chain come along to purposely destroy that.
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I've also wondered what the grand plan is... It seems to me honestly is to blame the white people for all the problems in society. It sure looks like it's headed towards a socialistic society
It sure looks like we are headed toward socialism. People are in for a shock. Socialism promises a lot but seldom delivers. I'm afraid at this point it is impossible to turn this ship around. Western society is headed straight toward a very large iceberg with socialism written on it.
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Are you not understand the context of this conversation? When did I say it was a solution I don't even no what you are talking about. The only thing I've said is that it's needs reform and magicly making 5 million people just adds to the overall problem in the us
You want to say immigrants are part of the solution -- look at your first post, fuckwit.
You want to do that while bitching about Americans.
You can't have it both ways. You are making the problem happen.
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I've also wondered what the grand plan is... It seems to me honestly is to blame the white people for all the problems in society. It sure looks like it's headed towards a socialistic society
Get your eyes checked.
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FVCKING day can't come soon enough for the end of this shit presidency January 20, 2017
oh because its going to be SOOOOOO much better with Hilldog or Jeb???
sheeple will NEVER learn
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We are headed toward a Plutocracy of Privatization.
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You want to say immigrants are part of the solution -- look at your first post, fuckwit.
You want to do that while bitching about Americans.
You can't have it both ways. You are making the problem happen.
I was say immigration is going to happen by why not reform it to benefit the U.S. and bring in those who are educated and skilled never did I say immigration reform will fix this country. But it is a small part of a large puzzle needed to get everthing on the right track
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My french friend in LV told me how new immigrant from ethiopia and somalia with brand new green card and herd of children are ruining his neighborhood.
She also told me how it's difficult for a french to got a green card, plus the trouble at the border if you enter and exit too much from USA with a basic visa. Every time she cross the border she fears to be repressed from usa.
If the green card was affordable, i will try.
But obviously usa need more an illiterate muslim hebrew than me.
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this was a HUGE move by democrats. Adding 5 million poor criminals to the USA... and they can vote!
Does anyone really believe most won't vote Dem? Obama just won a HUGE pile of votes for the 2016 dem candidate/congress. And repubs didn't want to impeach his ass, and worse - the new 1.1 trillion dollar Reid/Boehnner Budget was EXACTLY what paid for amnesty to be enacted.
Dems are suddenly in this incredible shape for the general election in 2016 thanks to amnesty, lots of new (D) voters.
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I was say immigration is going to happen by why not reform it to benefit the U.S. and bring in those who are educated and skilled never did I say immigration reform will fix this country. But it is a small part of a large puzzle needed to get everthing on the right track
I totally agree. We don't have the manufacturing base to accommodate the mass immigration of low skilled workers. We don't have the manufacturing base for our own citizens.
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Get your eyes checked.
Then please post somthing to the opposite. The facts are the middle class is shrinking at a very fast rate. Yet those in the low income is growing and so is their dependency on the government. So what happens if you have a nation of people who are poor and dependent on the government? The goverment then has way more power over the people.
Your going to tell me that if that continues for 50 years your going to have a society closer to capitalism or socialism
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I totally agree. We don't have the manufacturing base to accommodate the mass immigration of low skilled workers. We don't have the manufacturing base for our own citizens.
No we are not China, the U.S. main export is technology which is why we are a power house and requires a high level of education to be productive in. We don't have a infrastructure that supports exporting ton of material like China does that requires no education like stamping steal or make a shoe
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this was a HUGE move by democrats. Adding 5 million poor criminals to the USA... and they can vote!
Does anyone really believe most won't vote Dem? Obama just won a HUGE pile of votes for the 2016 dem candidate/congress. And repubs didn't want to impeach his ass, and worse - the new 1.1 trillion dollar Reid/Boehnner Budget was EXACTLY what paid for amnesty to be enacted.
Dems are suddenly in this incredible shape for the general election in 2016 thanks to amnesty, lots of new (D) voters.
Hit the nail on the head 240. It's really sad when you think about it
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The end results of making millions of poor uneducated and unskilled illegals legal will be an increase in the dependency class. More people on the bottom who consume more in benefits than pay in. Immigration is problematic in a welfare state.
when you re rich, it s not your problem, it s the middle and low classes problem. When you re rich, middle and low social classes problems are actually good things for you as it means they ll be prepared to do more for less in return because the competition between them for daily survival has increased, which means you ll be able to lower salaries and make even bigger profits. That's just the way it is. It s the law of nature, the law of the strongest. You re only worth what you can bring or cant.
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I was say immigration is going to happen by why not reform it to benefit the U.S. and bring in those who are educated and skilled never did I say immigration reform will fix this country. But it is a small part of a large puzzle needed to get everthing on the right track
No. Have you heard the saying "give one inch..." or "slippery slope"... or "take one step..."
That's how we got into this mess to begin with. Can't you see that?
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And that's exactly what's happened. The more people dependent on government the more power government has. I don't know how anyone can look at the developments in the western nations without concern. Not to sound like a conspiracy theorist but I often wonder what exactly the ultimate goal is. Some of the smarter of that bunch must realize the system can't sustain itself. Are we really seeing the implementation of the Cloward-Piven strategy.
there is no conspiracy, or global will, things just happen that way , benefit to some , worsen for others, that's just life, it's random. Life is a giant free for all, and the sum of every single individual on this planet, creates the global system we re living in. The only constant rule is that the strongest/most able to adapt, survives. Wether you inherit this strenght or earn it, or both, is entirely due to pure randomness, "luck".
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No we are not China, the U.S. main export is technology which is why we are a power house and requires a high level of education to be productive in. We don't have a infrastructure that supports exporting ton of material like China does that requires no education to stamp steal or make a shoe
Globalization proponents argued that as manufacturing in the United States decreased specialization would increase. This is true to a degree but unfortunately we are now even outsourcing our technology. Another problem is that when manufacturing decreased we were still left with a very large segment of the population who didn't and probably won't adapt to the change. What happens to those people, the lower middle class and below? They become dependent on the state.
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when you re rich, it s not your problem, it s the middle and low classes problem. When you re rich, middle and low social classes problems are actually good things for you as it means they ll be prepared to do more for less in return, which means you ll be able to lower salaries and make even bigger profits. That's just the way it is. It s the law of nature, the law of the strongest. You re only worth what you can bring or cant.
I understand that. Maybe I'm just a hopeless dreamer. Unlike liberals who say they actually believes in equality and spreading wealth but only do things to make that less possible
I believe in pulling those people up from the lower class to the middle class, strengthing them and the economy so everyone benefits. Only why that happens is to stop blaming other for ever problem. Take accountability and put in work and effort to grow yourself through education and morals. Being a productive member of society
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A case of immigration needs to be explained with very few words. If you can't do that, it is fraud.
A highly unusual situation in which someone's safety is in danger compared to the people around them, for political reasons, etc -- and even then it needs to be carefully examined while the person is in a neutral environment
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Globalization proponents argued that as manufacturing in the United States decreased specialization would increase. This is true to a degree but unfortunately we are now even outsourcing our technology. Another problem is that when manufacturing decreased we were still left with a very large segment of the population who didn't and probably won't adapt to the change. What happens to those people, the lower middle class and below? They become dependent on the state.
Yep there is nothing for them to do with there giving trade. It's a very tough pickle to figure out. Increase technology production and start opening manufacturing planets to produces that technology. But when you have China coping everthing and catching us in technology you will see a massive amount of tech production from China
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Hit the nail on the head 240. It's really sad when you think about it
we have getbiggers saying "obama fail"
NO, he succeeded in his amnesty goal, the democrat goal, and has created new voters.
we have getbiggers saying "obama is dumb"
NO, he has managed to shove many bills down our throats, he is creating more dem voters, and he's STILL popular in polls
we have getbiggers saying "obama is illegally born in kenya"
NO, they still don't want to impeach him for it, despite the huge constitutional issue (I think the birther issue has some merit)
we have getbiggers saying "Trump can save the republican party!"
NO, trump is an NBC employee making tens of millions, a lifetime liberal who recently converted, a total fraud that made the birther issue look stupid.
I could go on, but what's the point. Repubs have ONE flaw which is costing them everything - they refuse to give obama/dems the credit for outsmarting them/achieving their goals. They keep saying "we're winning" and OBama fail... until they admit they're taking a whooping, they'll never change strategy.
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Globalization proponents argued that as manufacturing in the United States decreased specialization would increase. This is true to a degree but unfortunately we are now even outsourcing our technology. Another problem is that when manufacturing decreased we were still left with a very large segment of the population who didn't and probably won't adapt to the change. What happens to those people, the lower middle class and below? They become dependent on the state.
globalization happened. No more "proponents", as it's over. it happened, it's real and we can never go back.
Unless you want to pay people 25 cents an hour, the usa can NEVER be a manufacturing king again. Sorry, cannot happen, just too many people willing to work 8 year olds for pennies in factories.
The only ADAPT comes when 100 mil americans get tired of being poor and put down the ipad, pick up a biology book, a computer science book, etc... and they cure cancer, invent the next killer app, or develop NANO. Until then, our bases keep us #1 but our people are living more and more poor.
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Americans cutting back on birth rates was at least in part to advancements, etc, that lowered individual opportunities. It was like a collective conscience sort of thing, looking out for their children and grandchildren. Now some assholes at the top of the supply chain come along to purposely destroy that.
I dont think the white man cuts back on birth rates because it wants to improve the life of the future generation, but it has more to do because he is deeply bored of life. The spiritual decline of occident is what led to its moral and psychological decline. People simply dont want kids anymore because they came to the conclusion life is not as great as it was portrayed to be by religions, mostly christianism and judaism. Now most people know there is no god, they realize life is just a random butchery between animals who are driven by the desire to dominate instead of being dominated. There s simply nothing else to "understand" about life. We re just here to kill instead of being killed. The myth of hapiness also have been debunked; killing makes one happy, not being able to kill or being killed makes one unhappy, as simple as that. Success is being able to dominate others and keep them in check, ie below your own social position. For someone to be happy, you always need someone else to be unhappy, as seeing someone else despair is what actually makes you feel happy (schadenfreude). This is the reality of our deep, inner animal condition. No one is innocent, there will never be a perfect world where is everyone is happy, simply because one 's despair is actually necessary to someone else hapiness. As a result there will always be happy (strong, dominant) and unhappy (dominated) people. It works the same in every single animal and vegetal specie, in all lifeforms.
It s no wonder that only the most uneducated, backward and ..religious people keep breeding, because their religions still tell them to kill "the enemy" and if they succeed they ll access power, money, and..."hapiness". But the white man knows better. He s been there, done that already. And he s tired of it. People actually need enemies to feel happy, have a cause to fight for, adversity, a reason to exist. We build our personalities mainly based on who we ve been conditionned to hate. If there s no cause to fight for, there s no reason to exist.
Once the white man has disapeared, thrid worlders and chinese will fight for ressources for centuries until chinese simply take over the whole fucking planet. But for the chinese to take over the world, the white man has to disapear first. Black africans and arab muslims are replacing whiteys in europe, latinos replacing whiteys in north america, asians replacing whiteys in australia, chinese are replacing whiteys in russia... stick a fork in the white race, it's dying. But those who will replace us, will know the same fate as us once they abandon their religions too and fully realize they re just animals who can do nothing but kill instead of being killed until one day someone decides to end it all.
Life is cruel, and constantly generates inequality. Inequalities constantly generates suffering. If you want to end inequalities and suffering you have to end life itself. The most peaceful and pure act of man would be to eradicate all life on earth if it wants eternal and constant peace on earth. This is what will probably happen one day anyway. The current decline of occident, the white man, which goes hand in hand with the decline of judeo christianism is only a step in the process of decay that's striking the human specie. Again mark my words, muslims chinese and latinos will inherit the planet and fight to death until its surface is completely ruined. Then survivors will live underground hoping to quit it for another earth like planet, but will destroy themselves before they get there.
We re just another product of evolution , an animal specie, that s trying to adapt until it cant anymore and will disapear if it doesnt evolve to become something else. The same shit probably happened, happens, and will happen everywhere in every solar system in the universe where there's sun and water. It's a process that in itself serves no purpose or meaning, it just is. It is absurd. We simply invent , create a meaning to it but as time passes, as we reverse engeener our thought process and body functions more and more precisely, we realize we are nothing but animals, robots, only guided by the lust for power, survival, blindly conditionned by our genes and educations.
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Getbig heavy hitters are out in this thread.
Navy Mike does not even know the difference between "their, "they're," and "there," yet he is discussing the complexity of economics and race relations.
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It sure looks like we are headed toward socialism. People are in for a shock. Socialism promises a lot but seldom delivers. I'm afraid at this point it is impossible to turn this ship around. Western society is headed straight toward a very large iceberg with socialism written on it.
socialism, capitalism, communism...religion...p hilosophy....it's all bullshit, the real truth is we re all animals calculating how to fuck each others in the ass for limited ressources and partners of reproduction until one day we cant anymore. All animals, humans included, are only guided by one single desire, to access power, domination, fame. There will never be peace as long as there s life, because life intrinsically is, constant war between all life forms.
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globalization happened. No more "proponents", as it's over. it happened, it's real and we can never go back.
Unless you want to pay people 25 cents an hour, the usa can NEVER be a manufacturing king again. Sorry, cannot happen, just too many people willing to work 8 year olds for pennies in factories.
The only ADAPT comes when 100 mil americans get tired of being poor and put down the ipad, pick up a biology book, a computer science book, etc... and they cure cancer, invent the next killer app, or develop NANO. Until then, our bases keep us #1 but our people are living more and more poor.
When I say proponents I mean those who advocated for it. These proponents predicted a particular outcome that hasn't quite come true. It's pretty clear that by arguing their predictions didn't come to pass as they saw it I am acknowledging it happened.
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My french friend in LV told me how new immigrant from ethiopia and somalia with brand new green card and herd of children are ruining his neighborhood.
She also told me how it's difficult for a french to got a green card, plus the trouble at the border if you enter and exit too much from USA with a basic visa. Every time she cross the border she fears to be repressed from usa.
If the green card was affordable, i will try.
But obviously usa need more an illiterate muslim hebrew than me.
it s all about geography; france and europe are flooded by africa and the middle east simply because they re close to them, just like north america is flooded by latinos cause they re close to central and south america. As simple as that.
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When I say proponents I mean those who advocated for it. These proponents predicted a particular outcome that hasn't quite come true. It's pretty clear that by arguing their predictions didn't come to pass as they saw it I am acknowledging it happened.
which predictions didn't come true? I got an MBA back when globalization was all the rage, and most of it HAS come true. I wrote paper after paper on it. goods/services are trades seamlessly over borders and oceans. countries that work hard are rewarded, middle class keeps shrinking, and everyone at the top keeps getting paid. goods keep getting cheaper, countries keep getting smarter to adapt or die. countries and individuals are using their comparative advantages very well, as predicted.
the outcomes they predicted seem to be coming true. Which ones do you see they said would happen, that didn't happen?
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I think people that need help should be given help.
I think people should desire to help other people.
US citizens could literally and collectively eradicate hunger and starvation both within their borders and the entire continent of Africa in less than a year if we so desired.
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i dont think the white man cuts back on birth rates because it wants to improve the life of the future generation, but it has more to do because he is deeply bored of life. The spiritual decline of occident is what led to its moral and psychological decline. People simply dont want kids anymore because they came to the conclusion life is not as great as it was portrayed to be by religions, mostly christianism and judaism. Now most people know there is no god, they realize life is just a random butchery between animals who are driven by the desire to dominate instead of being dominated. There s simply nothing else to "understand" about life. We re just here to kill instead of being killed. The myth of hapiness also have been debunked; killing makes one happy, not being able to kill or being killed makes one unhappy, as simple as that. Success is being able to dominate others and keep them in check, ie below your own social position.
It s no wonder that only the most uneducated, backward and ..religious people keep breeding, because their religions still tell them to kill "the enemey" and if they succeed they ll access power, money, and..."hapiness". But the white man knows better. He s been there, done that already. And he s tired of it.
Once the white man has disapeared, thrid worlders and chinese will fight for ressources for centuries until chinese simply take over the whole fucking planet. But for the chinese to take over the world, the white man has to disapear first. Black africans and arab muslims are replacing whiteys in europe, latinos replacing whiteys in north america, asians replacing whiteys in australia, chinese are replacing whiteys in russia... stick a fork in the white race, it's dying. But those who will replace us, will know the same fate as us once they abandon their religions too and fully realize they re just animals who can do nothing but kill instead of being killed until one day someone decides to end it all.
Life is cruel, and constantly generates inequality. Inequalities generates constantly suffering. If you want to end inequalities and suffering you have to end life itself.
Maybe it was a "candle at both ends" kind of thing. At the same time the cutting back was happening, the bankers' response started to take place, and the overall effect is what we're seeing -- for those reasons>/
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which predictions didn't come true? I got an MBA back when globalization was all the rage, and most of it HAS come true. I wrote paper after paper on it. goods/services are trades seamlessly over borders and oceans. countries that work hard are rewarded, middle class keeps shrinking, and everyone at the top keeps getting paid. goods keep getting cheaper, countries keep getting smarter to adapt or die. countries and individuals are using their comparative advantages very well, as predicted.
the outcomes they predicted seem to be coming true. Which ones do you see they said would happen, that didn't happen?
What did I say, Rob? The industries our economy was going to transition to and what would have been our saving grace are fleeing the country. Tech jobs are going. More research and development is taking place over seas. Even the service industry is outsourcing whatever jobs they can.
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I think people that need help should be given help.
I think people should desire to help other people.
US citizens could literally and collectively eradicate hunger and starvation both within their borders and the entire continent of Africa in less than a year if we so desired.
Whats your opinion of the topic?
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Getbig heavy hitters are out in this thread.
Navy Mike does not even know the difference between "their, "they're," and "there," yet he is discussing the complexity of economics and race relations.
He is clueless
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What did I say, Rob? The industries our economy was going to transition to and what would have been our saving grace are fleeing the country. Tech jobs are going. More research and development is taking place over seas. Even the service industry is outsourcing whatever jobs they can.
Yes. We were told in 2001, 2002, 2003 that this is exactly what would happen. The point of my MBA courses was "in ten years, the US will lose many of our current advantages, so the time to innovate is NOW!"
We were told back then, that cheap overseas goods (and soon services) would put americans in a tough spot. Globalization was taught as a stellar opportunity for those at the top, and a scary warning for those just cruising by on "hey, i'm in american, everything always works out!"
We knew the dollar would sink, they told us. we knew overseas mnfg would end Detroit, they told us.
They also told us that USA has the best minds, medicine, and overall collection of "awesomeness" in the world, but success is now at a micro, not a macro level. Today, you HAVE to be the best.
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Exactly it makes zero since, let's those that bring nothing to the table why those who are from terrible in the
country by the truck load. You think that Somalians that are from a country where they are brought up with zero laws are just going to automatically adapted to a structured society? Of course not there going to bring all that lawlessness behavior with them along with, zero education, zero skill trades and pre-exposed nature of violence being more exectable. I've seen it first hand
The fact of the matter is that although you bitch and moan about the liberals and Democrats, the Repubvlicans and conservatives have done ABSOLUTELY NOTHING on immigration or in stopping it.....and thats because Republicans are pro business and business WANTS illegals to come over because they can pay them dirt.....so its not a Democrat Problem as you try to present..both parties collude to keep this going....
besides, the Mexicans have been coming across the border for centuries...you will never be able to stop it
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I clearly stated it wasn't a reform and he's just making more voters. None of his actions have even hinted at a imagination reform
its reform in that the gov't doesn't have to chase after and deport people who by and large are not committing crimes and are raising their children decently......its a waste of resources to deport these people....better to go after the criminals who are here illegally...and again..just what can you point to that the republicans have done???....the illegals just keep coming and coming while the Repubs keep complaining.....yet they do absolutely NOTHING
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If things worked like they should, the only people China would be making all their trash for is themselves. They wouldn't be able to sell it anywhere else.
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There is no right or left, there are only rich and poor people, and the only god in an economically stable world is money which equals power and better odds of survival.
If economy crashes, if fridges get empty, ressources get scarcer, then people start to fight each others for remaining ressources. In "peaceful times" people fight each others to death for jobs and partners of reproduction. The "peaceful times" weaker losers end homeless or in looney bins, the stronger winners at the top of megacorporations.
There s also no right or wrong, but only strong and weak. The weak only follows the law because he s affraid of the strong. The strong modifies laws to suit its needs as it pleases him because he has noone superior to fear.
Life is a constant class warfare, a gender warfare, a generational warfare, an ethnic warfare, we re always at war with everything and everyone that surrounds us, even our loved ones -if you ever lose your power over them , get weaker, you ll understand that-. The weak die faster than the strong, and everyone wants to get at the top, and the "game" of life keeps regenerating itself over and over again, people move up only to fall down, and the eternal story repeats itself indefinitely.
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Whats your opinion of the topic?
I think people that need help should be given help.
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There is no right or left, there are only rich and poor people, and the only god is money which equals power and better odds of survival.
There s also no right or wrong, but only strong and weak. The weak only follows the law because he s affraid of the strong. The strong modifies laws to suit its needs as it pleases him because he has noone superior to fear.
Life is a constant class warfare, a gender warfare, a generational warfare, an ethnic warfare, we re always at war with everything and everyone that surrounds us, even our loved ones -if you ever lose your power over them , get weaker, you ll understand that-. The weak die faster than the strong, and everyone wants to get at the top, and the "game" of life keeps regenerating itself over and over again, people move up only to fall down, and the eternal story repeats itself indefinitely.
I agree with the first part, times a million.
The rest I'm not so quick to sign with. It isn't the whole story, by far.
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I think people that need help should be given help.
In the form of citizenship?
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In the form of citizenship?
Maybe not in every single case, but sure citzenship would help a ton of folks. I don't know if a general decision to legalize them all is the best option or if a more specific form of help is more appropriate. I don't know.
I think these folks should be required to pay taxes while actively seeking to obtain their citizenship without fear of deportation.
If folks can't meet all requirements for citizenship then another form of help should be made available. Again, I don't have the answers, but I don't think a sweeping notion of "f them" is right either.
I have a hard time with just flat out "not helping" someone if I'm able to.....that's all I'm really saying.
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More people on the dole I can pay taxes for...
The welfare state and the warfare state are killing this country! >:(
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Let them stay. ......
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its reform in that the gov't doesn't have to chase after and deport people who by and large are not committing crimes and are raising their children decently......its a waste of resources to deport these people....better to go after the criminals who are here illegally...and again..just what can you point to that the republicans have done???....the illegals just keep coming and coming while the Repubs keep complaining.....yet they do absolutely NOTHING
I'm not a republican, let's see what happened now that they have control of the house and senate now. Before it didn't matter what they would do its so polarized up there they won't accept each other's ideas just because
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The fact of the matter is that although you bitch and moan about the liberals and Democrats, the Repubvlicans and conservatives have done ABSOLUTELY NOTHING on immigration or in stopping it.....and thats because Republicans are pro business and business WANTS illegals to come over because they can pay them dirt.....so its not a Democrat Problem as you try to present..both parties collude to keep this going....
besides, the Mexicans have been coming across the border for centuries...you will never be able to stop it
Here is the funny part to that. Which big businesses are you speaking of. The only jobs illegals get is construction and agriculture. So are those the lobbyist up on captial hill? The MAJORITY of businesses can't hire them.
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Here is the funny part to that. Which big businesses are you speaking of. The only jobs illegals get is construction and agriculture. So are those the lobbyist up on captial hill? The MAJORITY of businesses can't hire them.
yes but the construction and Agriculture industries are huge...and also the Restaurant industry hires tons of illegals.....
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Maybe not in every single case, but sure citzenship would help a ton of folks. I don't know if a general decision to legalize them all is the best option or if a more specific form of help is more appropriate. I don't know.
I think these folks should be required to pay taxes while actively seeking to obtain their citizenship without fear of deportation.
If folks can't meet all requirements for citizenship then another form of help should be made available. Again, I don't have the answers, but I don't think a sweeping notion of "f them" is right either.
I have a hard time with just flat out "not helping" someone if I'm able to.....that's all I'm really saying.
I can agree with that. It's called a work visa. If they are illegal but pay taxes and don't have to worry about getting deported then what's the point of getting a citizenship if there is no fear of getting the boot? There are people all over the world that need help. Let's focus on helping Americans first before be put more time and effort in helping those that BROKE THE LAW to get here.
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yes but the construction and Agriculture industries are huge...and also the Restaurant industry hires tons of illegals.....
I would like to see Americans working those jobs. Like young adults and kids. Learning what responsibilities are. Or the 40 year old that never did anything with his life is fine to.
Its it funny that as a American I even have to make that statement and there are plenty of Americans that would argue against that
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Maybe not in every single case, but sure citzenship would help a ton of folks. I don't know if a general decision to legalize them all is the best option or if a more specific form of help is more appropriate. I don't know.
I think these folks should be required to pay taxes while actively seeking to obtain their citizenship without fear of deportation.
If folks can't meet all requirements for citizenship then another form of help should be made available. Again, I don't have the answers, but I don't think a sweeping notion of "f them" is right either.
I have a hard time with just flat out "not helping" someone if I'm able to.....that's all I'm really saying.
The best way to help every single person that can be helped, is to be as strong as we can be. High strength in the core, our middle class. That's not the direction you're going.
Countries whose leaders don't want to live up, get taken out of the loop, making a strong-against-weak fight that won't be lost.
Keep the pressure on until all the globe is either secure in democracies or contained.
That's how you help people.
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You need people willing to work for lower wages of course. Here's an idea instead of letting immigrants in to take those jobs. You forces the people on welfare to get out and take them instead of them sitting at home. Maybe it will instill what it is to work a day for pay.
Why do we "need" people to willing to work for lower wages.
Why do we "need" to bring in people from the third world.
We dont "need" to do any of that.
There was a time in the US and UK, when the lowest of white Americans and Brits were the ones doing this work, that we apparently "need" foreigners to do.
In society the smartest, sneakiest and craftiest will secure their position at the top, and the rest will fulfil the middle and the bottom. There no need to import people to fill up the bottom ranks of society or any other level of society.
The concept that we constantly need to grow a population is a road to disaster anyway, but it seems to be the model that is gloabally accepted. On that basis, the only thing we "need" to do is for more American and British people to have more children.
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Why do we "need" people to willing to work for lower wages.
Why do we "need" to bring in people from the third world.
We dont "need" to do any of that.
There was a time in the US and UK, when the lowest of white Americans and Brits were the ones doing this work, that we apparently "need" foreigners to do.
In society the smartest, sneakiest and craftiest will secure their position at the top, and the rest will fulfil the middle and the bottom. There no need to import people to fill up the bottom ranks of society or any other level of society.
The concept that we constantly need to grow a population is a road to disaster anyway, but it seems to be the model that is gloabally accepted. On that basis, the only thing we "need" to do is for more American and British people to have more children.
Except white people dont want to have children since they abandonned judeo christianism and embraced fully the extremistic capitalist/atheist way of life. Again the only ones who reproduce on this planet are believers; indus, chinese, muslims etc because in their backward system of beliefs there is a constant hope of one day they ll dominate and the whole world a peaceful, perfect place , theirs. White atheists have gone way past that since they killed God(s). Some white people even felt the need to flirt with asian or muslim system of belief, finding no sense of community in their white atheist country. They try to find spirituality in other system of beliefs and when they fail to do so they massively rely on big pharma and drugs. Most atheists only goals in life past 30 nowadays are to buy more stuff to impress the neighbour , feel good temporarly , between reading books written by the dalai lama, some random asian guru and poping antidepressants pills. We re all trying to feel better, to be dominant, to be "more alive" than the competitor, who can be our neighbour, our colleague, or even our own brother or sister. That.s what life is about.
We re not going back in time and re-christianize ourselves, we re not going to suddenly outbreed the third worlders, or revert immigration back into their countries. We re simply going to slowly disapear WILLINGLY while popping pills to make it less painful. We re simply lacking the will to live anymore after figuring it was all bullshits.
There are billions of people in the current rhid world who ve been waiting for decades to become just like us, white occidentals. They ll get there, actually we re giving them a poisoned gift, but they ll end just like us ultimately, losing faith and seeing themselves for the vain animals they are.
Make no mistake, once the thrid worlders are done replacing us, live in our cities, use our technologies, read the books written by our "thinkers", and then slowly abandon their religions too, they ll follow the same path we are. The end of the white race announces the end of mankind as a whole. We reached the limits, and realized there s nothing past them. Billions of people are still not aware of it, but it will come.
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The funny thing is America is based on immigration.
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The funny thing is America is based on immigration.
...all countries are based on immigration...
Immigration is the natural process of some lifeforms living in pack moving to another place looking for ressources and fighting other animal species or races inside their own species for said resources.
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this was a HUGE move by democrats. Adding 5 million poor criminals to the USA... and they can vote!
Does anyone really believe most won't vote Dem? Obama just won a HUGE pile of votes for the 2016 dem candidate/congress. And repubs didn't want to impeach his ass, and worse - the new 1.1 trillion dollar Reid/Boehnner Budget was EXACTLY what paid for amnesty to be enacted.
Dems are suddenly in this incredible shape for the general election in 2016 thanks to amnesty, lots of new (D) voters.
Great observation!!!!
The Labour party in the UK did exactly the same thing from 1997 onwards. Under the freedom of information act, there was a document released of a Labour party meeting the actually discussed and confirmed the concept of implementing mass immigration to secure votes for the part.
Much like the Republicans/Democrats in the US, we have Conservatives (REPS) and Labour (Dems). Ethnic minorities, benefit claimants, scroungers, left wingerss always vote labour and the rich and middle classed usually vote Conservatives.
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Here's a good one....fucking neighbors loser junkie 22 year old son OD's in the house last week.
I look out my front window and see a fire truck an ambulance...2 police cruisers and a detective car.
After 20-30 mins I'm expecting to see him brought out in a body bag....Never happened...They shot him with Narcan and said have a nice day. Guess what happened again 2 nights ago ?
Is this how shit works nowadays? Should anyone have left in hand cuffs?
Must cost taxpayers a small fortune for a response like this!
Pathetic society :-\
ambulance 800 $ to 1k
Firetruck 1k
Police 1k
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We re simply lacking the will to live anymore after figuring it was all bullshits.
I guess one has to consciously deceive himself to be somewhat "happy" and "full of life" once again, after figuring "it" out. But that is not possible most probably.. just like believing in Santa after realizing it was all lies..
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It's a really stupid idea.
Allowing someone to regularise their status by migrating illegally will only encourage more people to do so.
Sustainable immigration involves economic analysis on the needs of the nation and what that migrant can bring in terms of skill shortages in areas of desperate need for the local industry. Obviously, they also need to allow certain family migration and a much smaller slice of humanitarian aid to appease the UN as many never work a day in their life after they migrate.
Allowing 5 million (probably very unskilled) people to remain will only exacerbate any lower skilled unemployment concerns, which will affect youth unemployment and those who are dangling near the poverty line. The effect will only be mitigated by the relative size of the entire population.
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Great observation!!!!
The Labour party in the UK did exactly the same thing from 1997 onwards. Under the freedom of information act, there was a document released of a Labour party meeting the actually discussed and confirmed the concept of implementing mass immigration to secure votes for the part.
Much like the Republicans/Democrats in the US, we have Conservatives (REPS) and Labour (Dems). Ethnic minorities, benefit claimants, scroungers, left wingerss always vote labour and the rich and middle classed usually vote Conservatives.
Repubs that support amnesty are batshit crazy lol.
jeb, romney, rand, rubio - they all back it.
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Except white people dont want to have children since they abandonned judeo christianism and embraced fully the extremistic capitalist/atheist way of life. Again the only ones who reproduce on this planet are believers; indus, chinese, muslims etc because in their backward system of beliefs there is a constant hope of one day they ll dominate and the whole world a peaceful, perfect place , theirs. White atheists have gone way past that since they killed God(s). Some white people even felt the need to flirt with asian or muslim system of belief, finding no sense of community in their white atheist country. They try to find spirituality in other system of beliefs and when they fail to do so they massively rely on big pharma and drugs. Most atheists only goals in life past 30 nowadays are to buy more stuff to impress the neighbour , feel good temporarly , between reading books written by the dalai lama, some random asian guru and poping antidepressants pills. We re all trying to feel better, to be dominant, to be "more alive" than the competitor, who can be our neighbour, our colleague, or even our own brother or sister. That.s what life is about.
We re not going back in time and re-christianize ourselves, we re not going to suddenly outbreed the third worlders, or revert immigration back into their countries. We re simply going to slowly disapear WILLINGLY while popping pills to make it less painful. We re simply lacking the will to live anymore after figuring it was all bullshits.
There are billions of people in the current rhid world who ve been waiting for decades to become just like us, white occidentals. They ll get there, actually we re giving them a poisoned gift, but they ll end just like us ultimately, losing faith and seeing themselves for the vain animals they are.
Make no mistake, once the thrid worlders are done replacing us, live in our cities, use our technologies, read the books written by our "thinkers", and then slowly abandon their religions too, they ll follow the same path we are. The end of the white race announces the end of mankind as a whole. We reached the limits, and realized there s nothing past them.
Some good points there, particularly your last statement.
However a couple of points I would say
White people are not dying off due to lack of breeding per se, white people are dying off because of the capitalist system we created. The system as is stands today says we need loads of people. We actually dont, but thats what has been accepted as the norm, on that basis white people are not having enough kids, so we need to bring in vast numbers from other countries to support this system. These people breed faster than white so whites get outbred.
If we could move away from the model for cheap labour, and in the absences of third world people, white peoples birth rates would be perfectly fine.
You have to remember at a fundamental level, the european man ensured his progenies survival through environmental adaptation. In the cold of northern europe, where food was scarce, the most important ability was environmental manipulation ie:
Adapt surroundings, constuct buildings, farm land, create technologies. It also required to have a "relatively" small number of offspring. Have a small number of offspring, adapt the evironment and ensure safety for your children via these mechanisms. Over time these mechanisms have developed at an exponential scale, where things like tools and traps were the first technology, to hospitals, transport systems, nuclear reactors. These are all extensions of this mechanism to adapt the surroundings to ensure survival. Social welfare, justice systems and public health care are all extensions of this.
In Africa, where wild food is abundant, but dangers are rife, physical superiority and the need to have many children are required to ensure survival. In due course many of those offspring would die off, leaving a similar amount of offspring in both regions.
The problem that we now face, is when you take people from Africa and put them into Europe. They continue their natural behaviour of having many children, but the dangers that would remove many of the offspring no longer exist. Thus 90% of the offspring successfully grow up and reproduce. They then reproduce in higher numbers and so on and so on. The systems supports their survival so over time they outbreed the Europeans.
Now if you take away those support structures, the healthcare, social benefits and a weak justice system "taking off the gloves" so to speak. You would see a rapid decline in the African populations in Europe and America. Over time they would fail to compete with the indigenous populations and would not enjoy the sucess they have, as without free housing, benefits and education they would fall by the wayside.
I would disagree with the statement that the Chinese people are backward looking. The Chinese had roads, structure, organistion, governments, when the Europeans were living in Mud huts. There are examples of medical literature going back close to 5000 years. Whilst I agree they cannot match the europeans in terms of engineering and innovation, they have had a culturally advanced society for many years.
Prior to the influence of Communism, their three primary faiths were Buddhism, Taoism and Confucianism. Confucianism certainly played a part in the stagnation of Chinese economic development, as at its core it is essentialy anti-capitalist, anti-consumerism, anti-greed, against material wealth. Its is all about being good to your fellow man and throwing off the chains of desire and ego. You will hear nothing of Confucius today on Chinese media as he is consisted a threat to the modern day capitalist style communism they favour today. All three of their faiths are closer to philosophies and dont revolve around the worship of an all powerful diety in the same way Christianity and Islam do, again another sign of a people that are not backward.
I would agree they will inherit the earth, the question will be wheter they will have a change in their mindset and move to the immigration model opening their doors to the world. They have a huge population so its unlikely but who knows. Over time, their middle classes will grow to a sufficient size that they can make money off their own people and not be reliant on the US and Europe, as they will have 300/400 million middle class to sell to.
So far China have been smart enough to "take the best from the west and leave the rest" declining to accept western concepts of democracy, human rights, egalitarian liberal ideals etc.
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Getbig heavy hitters are out in this thread.
Navy Mike does not even know the difference between "their, "they're," and "there," yet he is discussing the complexity of economics and race relations.
Glad to see I'm not the only one picking up on the dyslexic vibe.
Is that why he collects a disability check?
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Our Third World president is creating a Third World country where laws don't matter...
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If the goal is to make usa superior we need immagrants to hurry to build more an more infrastructure big fucking office buildings all sizes of commercial buildings this help rich become richer supporting the poor welfare, more job opportunitys for middle class and all classes
Middle class only move up rank if they innovate shit , not by putting in more hours at a job there is a finite work capability
The poor are enjoying life they have all the utilities but may live 5 to a 1 bedroom house
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5 million, lol! USCIS has ordered 34 million blank greencards for the New Citizens
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2800356/us-immigration-authorities-prep-order-34-million-blank-green-cards-work-authorization-papers-obama-readies-executive-order-illegal-aliens.html
and we'll need to replace those ones with new illegals if they actually do become tax payers, otherwise the elite exploiters can't keep their economic shell game going
It's hilarious how broken the immigration system is - it took me 10 years (and having to prove I generated millions in profit for my employer) to get a green card.
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Imagine how we feel in the UK
ANY ONE in the EU can come over.
go on the dole get £70.00 a week, free housing, free health care!
absolutely rinsing out counrty dry.
and then the lazy cnts that live here having 9 kids to get free housing and some of them are getting around 2k a month £. some alot more. its a fukin joke.
Funny is that Camreon is always blaming Eastern Europeans to sit on benefits, but never heard that hes talking about african immigrants who are far worse. Even if they work, they are lazy AF. I think Camreon even said that UK wont let anymore ppl from Eastern Europe, so good luck with your country turning to African ass.
Ppl from Eastern Europe go to UK to work, not to get free benefits.
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Funny is that Camreon is always blaming Eastern Europeans to sit on benefits, but never heard that hes talking about african immigrants who are far worse. Even if they work, they are lazy AF. I think Camreon even said that UK wont let anymore ppl from Eastern Europe, so good luck with your country turning to African ass.
Ppl from Eastern Europe go to UK to work, not to get free benefits.
Spot on!!
Also shows how much a total hypocrite he is. Lets look at the facts.
A core policy of the EU is freedom of the movement among member states. Britain signed up for this.
Any country joining the EU has to sign up to this as well, its citizens get freedom of movement to move to any country and vice versa from all other EU countries. Poland, Hungary, Romania, etc all signed up.
So as their right as EU citizens, they have chosen to come ot the UK to work. Yet Cameron wants to block them from coming, this is a breach of the EU policy that the UK is signed up.
Is Nigeria an EU member, is pakistan and EU member, is India an EU member, no, none of them are, are we going to block them Mr Cameron, no we are not.
Right lets get this straight, you are going to block immigrants from a country that is legally entitled to emmigrate to the UK, but not block immigrants from countries that have no rights at all???
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Five million? LOL! There's a minimum of 20,000,000 illegals in the US. I would gladly wager the real number of people living in the USA illegally is between 22-30 million people. Are they all worthless "Browns" ? No. Are most of them worthless thieving "browns"? Yes
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You just know an industry is being built this minute, that streamlines people right into the mix.
No one committed to funding any investigations to minimize any number. No one committed to any number, period.
It's all a big blank slate, just as it was meant to be.
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Not bad. Better get used to it.
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I heard on the radio today that you can tell the Phoenix economy is getting better because there are a shit load of day laborers standing on the corners by Home Depot again
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It's a really stupid idea.
Allowing someone to regularise their status by migrating illegally will only encourage more people to do so.
Sustainable immigration involves economic analysis on the needs of the nation and what that migrant can bring in terms of skill shortages in areas of desperate need for the local industry. Obviously, they also need to allow certain family migration and a much smaller slice of humanitarian aid to appease the UN as many never work a day in their life after they migrate.
Allowing 5 million (probably very unskilled) people to remain will only exacerbate any lower skilled unemployment concerns, which will affect youth unemployment and those who are dangling near the poverty line. The effect will only be mitigated by the relative size of the entire population.
these unskilled people will face poverty , racism, and will become delinquants ...and give jobs to cops and prison wards. More prisons, more jobs, more cops, more social workers, more judges , more shrinks and so on. Everything is a business. One's misfortune is the salary of someone else.
Cops , judges, social workers shrinks dont want a perfect peaceful world where everyone is happy has a great family and situation, otherwise they wouldnt have a fucking job. Thats the absurdity of life. Everyone somehow prey on others weaknesses to make a living. We all exploit each others weaknesses.
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these unskilled people will face poverty , racism, and will become delinquants ...and give jobs to cops and prison wards. More prisons, more jobs, more cops, more social workers, more judges , more shrinks and so on. Everything is a business. One's misfortune is the salary of someone else.
Cops , judges, social workers shrinks dont want a perfect peaceful world where everyone is happy has a great family and situation, otherwise they wouldnt have a fucking job. Thats the absurdity of life. Everyone somehow prey on others weaknesses to make a living. We all exploit each others weaknesses.
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Thers always a construction job for them
Immagrents allow 4 shit 2 be built faster more job opps for everyone
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Reagan's and Obama's amnesty plans were almost identical.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_Reform_and_Control_Act_of_1986
required employers to attest to their employees' immigration status;
made it illegal to hire or recruit illegal immigrants knowingly;
legalized certain seasonal agricultural illegal immigrants, and;
legalized illegal immigrants who entered the United States before January 1, 1982 and had resided there continuously with the penalty of a fine, back taxes due, and admission of guilt; candidates were required to prove that they were not guilty of crimes, that they were in the country before January 1, 1982, and that they possessed minimal knowledge about U.S. history, government, and the English language.
See that bold one...If you were above to "prove" that you had broken US immigration law for at least 4 years... HEY, YOU GET TO STAY! Reward them for daily lawbreaking. Obama's plan was almost identical.
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made it illegal to hire or recruit illegal immigrants knowingly;
how did this one work out??
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Glad to see I'm not the only one picking up on the dyslexic vibe.
Is that why he collects a disability check?
I am dyslexic. Stated it a few times
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I am dyslexic. Stated it a few times
So you misspell some words or what? What are you saying?
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The UK and the US are in serious financial trouble currently.
And this free for all mentality just isnt working.
after world war 2 - when alot of italians came over, they fucking worked, in cotton mills, factories ect.
they felt blessed to get a chance and embraced the country worked there arse off..
now its this generation nothing mentality lazy, want everything handed on a plate. pathetic
id take a mexican over a paki any day
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So you misspell some words or what? What are you saying?
It's hard to explain i see words back words, a lot of the time I can't put my thoughts to paper like there in a block between my brain and fingers. Spelling is extremely difficult. It's different
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BB-related: Jose Raymond is probably an illegal
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/contest_media/7982/8552/d/jose_raymond_051252734111.jpg)
True. Hispanics are usually of small stature.
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It's hard to explain i see words back words, a lot of the time I can't put my thoughts to paper like there in a block between my brain and fingers. Spelling is extremely difficult. It's different
What happens when you write something and double-check it? Doesn't that work? You know how stuff is supposed to be written...i've seen you do it. So double-check every time if you need to. What's the big deal? You expect people to take you seriously, so you can do it.
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What happens when you write something and double-check it? Doesn't that work? You know how stuff is supposed to be written...i've seen you do it. So double-check every time if you need to. What's the big deal? You expect people to take you seriously, so you can do it.
I go over, over and over it. If I get in a hurry it comes out a mess. Sometimes I won't even see the mistake no matter how many times I look over it
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I go over, over and over it. If I get in a hurry it comes out a mess. Sometimes I won't even see the mistake no matter how many times I look over it
That's your problem right there.
This "dyslexic" business sounds like a liberal con used to make excuses. Don't let them BS you.
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The days of people coming over to really make somthing of them selfs died with the last generation. The new generation wants free handouts and it's only going to get worse
Yeah...those Mexicans coming over tend to be extremely lazy and do no work at all.
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Yeah...those Mexicans coming over tend to be extremely lazy and do no work at all.
you mean the current generation? Like the ones a few years a go in cali had a walk out at school and burned the American flag while waving the Mexican flag... ya really grateful of their opportunities
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Here's a good one....fucking neighbors loser junkie 22 year old son OD's in the house last week.
I look out my front window and see a fire truck an ambulance...2 police cruisers and a detective car.
After 20-30 mins I'm expecting to see him brought out in a body bag....Never happened...They shot him with Narcan and said have a nice day. Guess what happened again 2 nights ago ?
Is this how shit works nowadays? Should anyone have left in hand cuffs?
Must cost taxpayers a small fortune for a response like this!
Pathetic society :-\
It DOES cost a fortune. FACT. It would blow your mind to know how much that scenario cost.
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Would be much happier if it were 10-12 million.