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« Reply #75 on: February 17, 2015, 10:34:26 AM »
What did I say, Rob?  The industries our economy was going to transition to and what would have been our saving grace are fleeing the country.  Tech jobs are going.  More research and development is taking place over seas.  Even the service industry is outsourcing whatever jobs they can.

Yes.  We were told in 2001, 2002, 2003 that this is exactly what would happen.  The point of my MBA courses was "in ten years, the US will lose many of our current advantages, so the time to innovate is NOW!"

We were told back then, that cheap overseas goods (and soon services) would put americans in a tough spot.  Globalization was taught as a stellar opportunity for those at the top, and a scary warning for those just cruising by on "hey, i'm in american, everything always works out!"

We knew the dollar would sink, they told us.  we knew overseas mnfg would end Detroit, they told us.  
They also told us that USA has the best minds, medicine, and overall collection of "awesomeness" in the world, but success is now at a micro, not a macro level.  Today, you HAVE to be the best.  

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« Reply #76 on: February 17, 2015, 10:37:43 AM »
Exactly it makes zero since, let's those that bring nothing to the table why those who are from terrible in the
country by the truck load. You think that Somalians that are from a country where they are brought up with zero laws are just going to automatically adapted to a structured society? Of course not there going to bring all that lawlessness behavior with them along with, zero education, zero skill trades and pre-exposed nature of violence being more exectable.  I've seen it first hand  

The fact of the matter is that although you bitch and moan about the liberals and Democrats, the Repubvlicans and conservatives have done ABSOLUTELY NOTHING on immigration or in stopping it.....and thats because Republicans are pro business and business WANTS illegals to come over because they can pay them dirt.....so its not a Democrat Problem as you try to present..both parties collude to keep this going....

besides, the Mexicans have been coming across the border for centuries...you will never be able to stop it

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« Reply #77 on: February 17, 2015, 10:40:33 AM »
I clearly stated it wasn't a reform and he's just making more voters. None of his actions have even hinted at a imagination reform

its reform in that the gov't doesn't have to chase after and deport people who by and large are not committing crimes and are raising their children decently......its a waste of resources to deport these people....better to go after the criminals who are here illegally...and again..just what can you point to that the republicans have done???....the illegals just keep coming and coming while the Repubs keep complaining.....yet they do absolutely NOTHING

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« Reply #78 on: February 17, 2015, 10:43:01 AM »
If things worked like they should, the only people China would be making all their trash for is themselves. They wouldn't be able to sell it anywhere else.

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« Reply #79 on: February 17, 2015, 10:43:40 AM »
There is no right or left, there are only rich and poor people, and the only god in an economically stable world is money which equals power and better odds of survival.
If economy crashes, if fridges get empty, ressources get scarcer, then people start to fight each others for remaining ressources. In "peaceful times" people fight each others to death for jobs and partners of reproduction. The "peaceful times" weaker losers end homeless or in looney bins, the stronger winners at the top of megacorporations.

There s also no right or wrong, but only strong and weak. The weak only follows the law because he s affraid of the strong. The strong modifies laws to suit its needs as it pleases him because he has noone superior to fear.  

Life is a constant class warfare, a gender warfare, a generational warfare, an ethnic warfare, we re always at war with everything and everyone that surrounds us, even our loved ones -if you ever lose your power over them , get weaker, you ll understand that-. The weak die faster than the strong, and everyone wants to get at the top, and the "game" of life keeps regenerating itself over and over again, people move up only to fall down, and the eternal story repeats itself indefinitely.

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« Reply #80 on: February 17, 2015, 10:44:46 AM »
Whats your opinion of the topic?

I think people that need help should be given help.

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« Reply #81 on: February 17, 2015, 10:48:17 AM »
There is no right or left, there are only rich and poor people, and the only god is money which equals power and better odds of survival.
There s also no right or wrong, but only strong and weak. The weak only follows the law because he s affraid of the strong. The strong modifies laws to suit its needs as it pleases him because he has noone superior to fear. 

Life is a constant class warfare, a gender warfare, a generational warfare, an ethnic warfare, we re always at war with everything and everyone that surrounds us, even our loved ones -if you ever lose your power over them , get weaker, you ll understand that-. The weak die faster than the strong, and everyone wants to get at the top, and the "game" of life keeps regenerating itself over and over again, people move up only to fall down, and the eternal story repeats itself indefinitely.

I agree with the first part, times a million.

The rest I'm not so quick to sign with.  It isn't the whole story, by far.

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« Reply #82 on: February 17, 2015, 10:49:04 AM »
I think people that need help should be given help.

In the form of citizenship?

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« Reply #83 on: February 17, 2015, 11:08:17 AM »
In the form of citizenship?

Maybe not in every single case, but sure citzenship would help a ton of folks.  I don't know if a general decision to legalize them all is the best option or if a more specific form of help is more appropriate.   I don't know. 

I think these folks should be required to pay taxes while actively seeking to obtain their citizenship without fear of deportation. 

If folks can't meet all requirements for citizenship then another form of help should be made available.  Again, I don't have the answers, but I don't think a sweeping notion of "f them" is right either. 

I have a hard time with just flat out "not helping" someone if I'm able to.....that's all I'm really saying.

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« Reply #84 on: February 17, 2015, 11:15:09 AM »
More people on the dole I can pay taxes for...

The welfare state and the warfare state are killing this country!  >:(

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« Reply #85 on: February 17, 2015, 11:15:31 AM »
Let them stay. ......

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« Reply #86 on: February 17, 2015, 11:17:22 AM »
its reform in that the gov't doesn't have to chase after and deport people who by and large are not committing crimes and are raising their children decently......its a waste of resources to deport these people....better to go after the criminals who are here illegally...and again..just what can you point to that the republicans have done???....the illegals just keep coming and coming while the Repubs keep complaining.....yet they do absolutely NOTHING

I'm not a republican, let's see what happened now that they have control of the house and senate now. Before it didn't matter what they would do its so polarized up there they won't accept each other's ideas just because 

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« Reply #87 on: February 17, 2015, 11:19:47 AM »
The fact of the matter is that although you bitch and moan about the liberals and Democrats, the Repubvlicans and conservatives have done ABSOLUTELY NOTHING on immigration or in stopping it.....and thats because Republicans are pro business and business WANTS illegals to come over because they can pay them dirt.....so its not a Democrat Problem as you try to present..both parties collude to keep this going....

besides, the Mexicans have been coming across the border for centuries...you will never be able to stop it

Here is the funny part to that. Which big businesses are you speaking of. The only jobs illegals get is construction and agriculture.  So are those the lobbyist up on captial hill? The MAJORITY of businesses can't hire them.   

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« Reply #88 on: February 17, 2015, 11:21:41 AM »
Here is the funny part to that. Which big businesses are you speaking of. The only jobs illegals get is construction and agriculture.  So are those the lobbyist up on captial hill? The MAJORITY of businesses can't hire them.   

yes but the construction and Agriculture industries are huge...and also the Restaurant industry hires tons of illegals.....

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« Reply #89 on: February 17, 2015, 11:23:55 AM »
Maybe not in every single case, but sure citzenship would help a ton of folks.  I don't know if a general decision to legalize them all is the best option or if a more specific form of help is more appropriate.   I don't know.  

I think these folks should be required to pay taxes while actively seeking to obtain their citizenship without fear of deportation.  

If folks can't meet all requirements for citizenship then another form of help should be made available.  Again, I don't have the answers, but I don't think a sweeping notion of "f them" is right either.  

I have a hard time with just flat out "not helping" someone if I'm able to.....that's all I'm really saying.

I can agree with that. It's called a work visa.  If they are illegal but pay taxes and don't have to worry about getting deported then what's the point of getting a citizenship if there is no fear of getting the boot? There are people all over the world that need help. Let's focus on helping Americans first before be put more time and effort in helping those that BROKE THE LAW to get here.

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« Reply #90 on: February 17, 2015, 11:25:57 AM »
yes but the construction and Agriculture industries are huge...and also the Restaurant industry hires tons of illegals.....

I would like to see Americans working those jobs. Like young adults and kids. Learning what responsibilities are. Or the 40 year old that never did anything with his life is fine to.  

Its it funny that as a American I even have to make that statement and there are plenty of Americans that would argue against that

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« Reply #91 on: February 17, 2015, 11:53:07 AM »
Maybe not in every single case, but sure citzenship would help a ton of folks.  I don't know if a general decision to legalize them all is the best option or if a more specific form of help is more appropriate.   I don't know.  

I think these folks should be required to pay taxes while actively seeking to obtain their citizenship without fear of deportation.  

If folks can't meet all requirements for citizenship then another form of help should be made available.  Again, I don't have the answers, but I don't think a sweeping notion of "f them" is right either.  

I have a hard time with just flat out "not helping" someone if I'm able to.....that's all I'm really saying.

The best way to help every single person that can be helped, is to be as strong as we can be.  High strength in the core, our middle class.  That's not the direction you're going.

Countries whose leaders don't want to live up, get taken out of the loop, making a strong-against-weak fight that won't be lost.

Keep the pressure on until all the globe is either secure in democracies or contained.

That's how you help people.

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« Reply #92 on: February 17, 2015, 12:22:06 PM »
You need people willing to work for lower wages of course. Here's an idea instead of letting immigrants in to take those jobs. You forces the people on welfare to get out and take them instead of them sitting at home. Maybe it will instill what it is to work a day for pay.

 


Why do we "need" people to willing to work for lower wages.

Why do we "need" to bring in people from the third world.

We dont "need" to do any of that.

There was a time in the US and UK, when the lowest of white Americans and Brits were the ones doing this work, that we apparently "need" foreigners to do.

In society the smartest, sneakiest and craftiest will secure their position at the top, and the rest will fulfil the middle and the bottom. There no need to import people to fill up the bottom ranks of society or any other level of society.

The concept that we constantly need to grow a population is a road to disaster anyway, but it seems to be the model that is gloabally accepted. On that basis, the only thing we "need" to do is for more American and British people to have more children.

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« Reply #93 on: February 17, 2015, 12:29:12 PM »

Why do we "need" people to willing to work for lower wages.

Why do we "need" to bring in people from the third world.

We dont "need" to do any of that.

There was a time in the US and UK, when the lowest of white Americans and Brits were the ones doing this work, that we apparently "need" foreigners to do.

In society the smartest, sneakiest and craftiest will secure their position at the top, and the rest will fulfil the middle and the bottom. There no need to import people to fill up the bottom ranks of society or any other level of society.

The concept that we constantly need to grow a population is a road to disaster anyway, but it seems to be the model that is gloabally accepted. On that basis, the only thing we "need" to do is for more American and British people to have more children.
Except white people dont want to have children since they abandonned judeo christianism and embraced fully the extremistic capitalist/atheist way of life. Again the only ones who reproduce on this planet are believers; indus, chinese, muslims etc because in their backward system of beliefs there is a constant hope of one day they ll dominate and the whole world a peaceful, perfect place , theirs. White atheists have gone way past that since they killed God(s). Some white people even felt the need to flirt with asian or muslim system of belief, finding no sense of community  in their white atheist country. They try to find spirituality in other system of beliefs and when they fail to do so they massively rely on big pharma and drugs. Most atheists only goals in life past 30 nowadays are to buy more stuff to impress the neighbour , feel good temporarly , between reading books written by the dalai lama, some random asian guru and poping antidepressants pills. We re all trying to feel better, to be dominant, to be "more alive" than the competitor, who can be our neighbour, our colleague, or even our own brother or sister. That.s what life is about.

We re not going back in time and re-christianize ourselves, we re not going to suddenly outbreed the third worlders, or revert immigration back into their countries. We re simply going to slowly disapear WILLINGLY while popping pills to make it less painful. We re simply lacking the will to live anymore after figuring it was all bullshits.

There are billions of people in the current rhid world who ve been waiting for decades to become just like us, white occidentals. They ll get there, actually we re giving them a poisoned gift, but they ll end just like us ultimately, losing faith and seeing themselves for the vain animals they are.

Make no mistake, once the thrid worlders are done replacing us, live in our cities, use our technologies, read the books written by our "thinkers", and then slowly abandon their religions too, they ll follow the same path we are. The end of the white race announces the end of mankind as a whole. We reached the limits, and realized there s nothing past them. Billions of people are still not aware of it, but it will come.

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« Reply #94 on: February 17, 2015, 12:31:13 PM »
The funny thing is America is based on immigration.
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« Reply #95 on: February 17, 2015, 12:32:39 PM »
The funny thing is America is based on immigration.
...all countries are based on immigration...

Immigration is the natural process of some lifeforms living in pack moving to another place looking for ressources and fighting other animal species or races inside their own species for said resources.

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« Reply #96 on: February 17, 2015, 12:37:38 PM »
this was a HUGE move by democrats.   Adding 5 million poor criminals to the USA... and they can vote!

Does anyone really believe most won't vote Dem?   Obama just won a HUGE pile of votes for the 2016 dem candidate/congress.  And repubs didn't want to impeach his ass, and worse - the new 1.1 trillion dollar Reid/Boehnner Budget was EXACTLY what paid for amnesty to be enacted. 

Dems are suddenly in this incredible shape for the general election in 2016 thanks to amnesty, lots of new (D) voters.

Great observation!!!!

The Labour party in the UK did exactly the same thing from 1997 onwards. Under the freedom of information act, there was a document released of a Labour party meeting the actually discussed and confirmed the concept of implementing mass immigration to secure votes for the part.
Much like the Republicans/Democrats in the US, we have Conservatives (REPS) and Labour (Dems). Ethnic minorities, benefit claimants, scroungers, left wingerss always vote labour and the rich and middle classed usually vote Conservatives.

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« Reply #97 on: February 17, 2015, 12:52:48 PM »
Here's a good one....fucking neighbors loser junkie 22 year old son OD's in the house last week.
I look out my front window and see a fire truck an ambulance...2 police cruisers and a detective car.
After 20-30 mins I'm expecting to see him brought out in a body bag....Never happened...They shot him with Narcan and said have a nice day.  Guess what happened again 2 nights ago ?
Is this how shit works nowadays? Should anyone have left in hand cuffs?
Must cost taxpayers a small fortune for a response like this!
Pathetic society  :-\
ambulance  800 $ to 1k
Firetruck 1k
Police 1k
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« Reply #98 on: February 17, 2015, 01:00:30 PM »
We re simply lacking the will to live anymore after figuring it was all bullshits.



I guess one has to consciously deceive himself to be somewhat "happy" and "full of life" once again, after figuring "it" out. But that is not possible most probably.. just like believing in Santa after realizing it was all lies..

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« Reply #99 on: February 17, 2015, 01:09:14 PM »
It's a really stupid idea.

Allowing someone to regularise their status by migrating illegally will only encourage more people to do so.

Sustainable immigration involves economic analysis on the needs of the nation and what that migrant can bring in terms of skill shortages in areas of desperate need for the local industry. Obviously, they also need to allow certain family migration and a much smaller slice of humanitarian aid to appease the UN as many never work a day in their life after they migrate.

Allowing 5 million (probably very unskilled) people to remain will only exacerbate any lower skilled unemployment concerns, which will affect youth unemployment and those who are dangling near the poverty line. The effect will only be mitigated by the relative size of the entire population.