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Say u were eating 2600 kcals of brown rice, oats, meats, etc.
Switched to hi fat, low carb, mod protein of the same calorie amount of 2600...
Will you be looking much different after a month or so, or does it take a long time to see benefits in terms of leanness, etc
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i would say about the 6 year mark
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i would say about the 6 year mark
Thats a long time. Probably be dead by then
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Say u were eating 2600 kcals of brown rice, oats, meats, etc.
Switched to hi fat, low carb, mod protein of the same calorie amount of 2600...
Will you be looking much different after a month or so, or does it take a long time to see benefits in terms of leanness, etc
12 weeks is average, to see a change, as long as you're strict, no cheating, with the diet. It depends on how much fat you need to lose, and what you are doing physically. If you work out heavy, then 2600 calories may not be enough to maintain muscle mass, while you are losing the body fat.
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12 weeks is average, to see a change, as long as you're strict, no cheating, with the diet. It depends on how much fat you need to lose, and what you are doing physically. If you work out heavy, then 2600 calories may not be enough to maintain muscle mass, while you are losing the body fat.
Thanks man, your theory on this stuff is interesting. I appreciate the insight
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I'm thinking its a process, there is no specific date when you see the change. It happens everyday. When I diet down using keto, I notice it after 1 day. But I'm a walrus so Ive got a lot of fat to lose.
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Say u were eating 2600 kcals of brown rice, oats, meats, etc.
Switched to hi fat, low carb, mod protein of the same calorie amount of 2600...
Will you be looking much different after a month or so, or does it take a long time to see benefits in terms of leanness, etc
Why would your body recruit fat from your fat cells when all that dietary fat is available?
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Define magic.
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Why would your body recruit fat from your fat cells when all that dietary fat is available?
Im trying to figure out a real hard definitive answer for this myself and i have no idea but its a great question
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It depends. I'm immune to obesity no matter what I eat and how much, so I can see a difference after 3-5days (seriously) after lowering cals just a little bit. My friend is not, and he needs two months of strict dieting to even notice something serious happening.
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the real question is
how much tren are you using ?
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It depends. I'm immune to obesity no matter what I eat and how much, so I can see a difference after 3-5days (seriously) after lowering cals just a little bit. My friend is not, and he needs two months of strict dieting to even notice something serious happening.
Your lucky dude. Thats awesome.
So im about 16-17 days into the anabolic esq diet. Fats are around 200-250 grams a day. Protein is less than 100 and carbs under 30 (realistically. Only coming from nuts and veggies and trace from cream or almond milk)
I feel harder, less anxiety, but no difference in the mirror yet.
Not on any tren. Just pharma test and adex.
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Define magic.
The magic starts to happen at 1G.
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You'll drop a ton of water weight immedeately (within a few days). Without the carbs your body is unable to store subcutaneous water, and gets rid of it, so you should have a more "toned" look pretty shortly.
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12 weeks is average, to see a change, as long as you're strict, no cheating, with the diet. It depends on how much fat you need to lose, and what you are doing physically. If you work out heavy, then 2600 calories may not be enough to maintain muscle mass, while you are losing the body fat.
I've like the stuff you've posted, but if you lift weights, I don't see losing muscle on 2600 cals. Assuming natural lifting.
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You'll drop a ton of water weight immedeately (within a few days). Without the carbs your body is unable to store subcutaneous water, and gets rid of it, so you should have a more "toned" look pretty shortly.
I can see this somewhat, but its not something amazing. Id say maybe if u were lean you might notice it. Im probably 13-14 percent bf, so have not noticed any water loss although i probably did, just isnt seen by the naked eye for a fatty like me
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Erik, when you say no cheating, does that mean 12 weeks with no carb day on weekend?
I know anabolic diet advocates 2 days of eating what u want, but that seems too much. Im probably just going to do one day, or friday night thru sat night.
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Erik, when you say no cheating, does that mean 12 weeks with no carb day on weekend?
I know anabolic diet advocates 2 days of eating what u want, but that seems too much. Im probably just going to do one day, or friday night thru sat night.
No carb days at all! Eat carbs and you stop the ketosis process. No cheating means NO CHEATING!
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Your lucky dude. Thats awesome.
So im about 16-17 days into the anabolic esq diet. Fats are around 200-250 grams a day. Protein is less than 100 and carbs under 30 (realistically. Only coming from nuts and veggies and trace from cream or almond milk)
I feel harder, less anxiety, but no difference in the mirror yet.
Not on any tren. Just pharma test and adex.
for what purpose do you keep protein under 100g and fat over 200 lol
a "keto diet" is 2/3 fat 1/3 protein (from CALORIES not GRAMS)
200g fat 200g protein or so is perfect
that is about 70:30 in calories
why would you eat less than 100g of protein as someone who lifts weights... also much better in terms of satiety
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for what purpose do you keep protein under 100g and fat over 200 lol
a "keto diet" is 2/3 fat 1/3 protein (from CALORIES not GRAMS)
200g fat 200g protein or so is perfect
that is about 70:30 in calories
why would you eat less than 100g of protein as someone who lifts weights... also much better in terms of satiety
I agree. Count the calories, not the grams. 100 grams of protein isn't enough to maintain muscle mass and all the other things that your body needs protein for, and won't come close for building new muscle tissue.
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Say u were eating 2600 kcals of brown rice, oats, meats, etc.
Switched to hi fat, low carb, mod protein of the same calorie amount of 2600...
Will you be looking much different after a month or so, or does it take a long time to see benefits in terms of leanness, etc
You will be fatter yes
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for what purpose do you keep protein under 100g and fat over 200 lol
a "keto diet" is 2/3 fat 1/3 protein (from CALORIES not GRAMS)
200g fat 200g protein or so is perfect
that is about 70:30 in calories
why would you eat less than 100g of protein as someone who lifts weights... also much better in terms of satiety
I thought the protein should be moderate on this form of life style? I was thinking 200 was too much but i guess i was wrong
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if what you are doing now is working nicely, don't change it.
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I thought the protein should be moderate on this form of life style? I was thinking 200 was too much but i guess i was wrong
under 100 is low, not moderate :P
id go 150-200 unless youre like 120 lbs ;)
200g of protein wont cause any significant gluconeogenesis that could kick you out of ketosis anyway
and especially not if your fats are still 200g
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under 100 is low, not moderate :P
id go 150-200 unless youre like 120 lbs ;)
200g of protein wont cause any significant gluconeogenesis that could kick you out of ketosis anyway
and especially not if your fats are still 200g
Thanks man, will work on this.
Are cheat meals ok once a week? And do they really have to be low fat? Not sure what u can cheat on thats fun and low fat. I like my pizza/cake/beer saturday nights...
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Why would your body recruit fat from your fat cells when all that dietary fat is available?
You don't actually think your body metabolizes all the fat you consume do you?
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Thanks man, will work on this.
Are cheat meals ok once a week? And do they really have to be low fat? Not sure what u can cheat on thats fun and low fat. I like my pizza/cake/beer saturday nights...
depends. eating carbs will of course kick you out of ketosis.. this can be beneficial for anabolic effects though, plus if you plan on lifting hard you will NEED a high carb refeed once a week to refill muscle glycogen. lifting hard just doesnt work without carbs, no matter how keto adapted you are.
its gonna take 2-4 days for most to get back into ketosis. this can be sped up to a couple hours only with the use of insulin, but only if you are VERY experienced with its use.
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depends. eating carbs will of course kick you out of ketosis.. this can be beneficial for anabolic effects though, plus if you plan on lifting hard you will NEED a high carb refeed once a week to refill muscle glycogen. lifting hard just doesnt work without carbs, no matter how keto adapted you are.
its gonna take 2-4 days for most to get back into ketosis. this can be sped up to a couple hours only with the use of insulin, but only if you are VERY experienced with its use.
I have metformin on hand,would that help?
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When I saw the title of this thread I thought you were saying hello to bigMC and asking when his magic show was taking place.
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I have metformin on hand,would that help?
with getting into ketosis faster? no
you can use it on your refeed days though
or use it during the diet ... idk if glucose disposal agents are useful during a keto diet though. might help keeping blood sugar even lower but i dont know. when i do keto i would use berberine HCL, it has basically the same effects as metformin and then some.
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You may want to check out the three types of ketogenic dieting:
http://www.ruled.me/3-ketogogenic-diets-skd-ckd-tkd/
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You may want to check out the three types of ketogenic dieting:
http://www.ruled.me/3-ketogogenic-diets-skd-ckd-tkd/
Thanks man thats a great read. Sounds like im really not eating enough. Im less than maintenece according to that calculator, which is suprising cuz im fat
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metformin is notorious for givin' people the shits. At least you will appear less bloated from emptied stomach due to shitting...
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When im on keto..I notice a difference very quickly sometimes day to day..I wouldn't do the carb up on the weekend thing..I think it confuses the body and mind..not to mention open the flood gates to all types of cheating. .
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I'm trying Big Chiro Flex modified Paleo again just to fuck around.
Realized by meal 2 that this takes more prep than I prepared for...
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When im on keto..I notice a difference very quickly sometimes day to day..I wouldn't do the carb up on the weekend thing..I think it confuses the body and mind..not to mention open the flood gates to all types of cheating. .
You had zero cheat days?!
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I'm trying Big Chiro Flex modified Paleo again just to fuck around.
Realized by meal 2 that this takes more prep than I prepared for...
what does the diet entail?
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When im on keto..I notice a difference very quickly sometimes day to day..I wouldn't do the carb up on the weekend thing..I think it confuses the body and mind..not to mention open the flood gates to all types of cheating. .
When you do Keto, do you replace the carb calories lost with fat calories, or keep the fats the same and lower the caloric intake?
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what does the diet entail?
Meats, fruits, vegetables....can use Oats and stuff pre/post training days
I'm recovering from shoulder surgery and a torn IT band....just want to look OK for April vacation.
If I was doing normal goruck type training, I'd need to eat lot more.
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You had zero cheat days?!
I had 3 cheat MEALS in 8 weeks, but I was prepping for my show.
When you do Keto, do you replace the carb calories lost with fat calories, or keep the fats the same and lower the caloric intake?
I never lowered the food..I just increased the cardio until I was completely shredded
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Meats, fruits, vegetables....can use Oats and stuff pre/post training days
I'm recovering from shoulder surgery and a torn IT band....just want to look OK for April vacation.
If I was doing normal goruck type training, I'd need to eat lot more.
gotcha..I like paleo for a functional every day maintenance diet
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You had zero cheat days?!
No cheat days is what works. The whole idea of a keto diet is Don't Eat Carbs. Cheat days, when you eat carbs, stops the whole keto process, so it puts you back to square one. You either have to do it correctly, to see results, or don't bother doing it at all. You will have plenty of energy from burning body fat, for exercising.
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gotcha..I like paleo for a functional every day maintenance diet
Makes sense.
I don't really do much for aesthetics normally. I just feel like shit now having been not exercising for 7 weeks now, so I'm going to mix it up as I'm allowed to slowly ramp up exercise.
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Cheat meals should be implemented strategically. .for instance if you are leaning out too quickly. .you may want to pull back the reigns so to speak or bring down the cardio..they can be beneficial or completely mess up your progress. .the more you stick to your diet the less desire you have to cheat..truthfully I didn't even want to cheat..my coach told me to add those cheat meals. ..I was almost borderline scared to do it..but I agreed to listen to absolutely everything he instructed me to do so I complied.
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No cheat days is what works. The whole idea of a keto diet is Don't Eat Carbs. Cheat days, when you eat carbs, stops the whole keto process, so it puts you back to square one. You either have to do it correctly, to see results, or don't bother doing it at all. You will have plenty of energy from burning body fat, for exercising.
body fat cant fuel heavy lifting. only sissy training.
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No cheat days is what works. The whole idea of a keto diet is Don't Eat Carbs. Cheat days, when you eat carbs, stops the whole keto process, so it puts you back to square one. You either have to do it correctly, to see results, or don't bother doing it at all. You will have plenty of energy from burning body fat, for exercising.
The anabolic diet says a cheat meal/day is needed. False?
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The anabolic diet says a cheat meal/day is needed. False?
correct. .but I wasn't on the anabolic diet..
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correct. .but I wasn't on the anabolic diet..
Isnt that basically what we are talking about tho? Hi fat keto is basically anabolic diet
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The anabolic diet says a cheat meal/day is needed. False?
False. It slows down the process of body fat loss. I don't know which version of an anabolic or keto diet, that you are using. There are bunch of them, with differences of opinion as to what should constitute a keto diet. The basics are simple and work. If you want to lose your body fat, then don't eat carbs, up your fat and protein intake instead, and your body fat will burn away. And, you don't need to eat carbs for energy. Fats are your best source of energy, but you won't be able to burn any body fat, unless you get rid of the carbs in your diet. Aren't too many ways that I can explain it. Do it, or don't, but half way shit is a waste of time. GL.
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Isnt that basically what we are talking about tho? Hi fat keto is basically anabolic diet
Theres many varations of keto. .thats DiPasquales method..Honestly Ive tried that in the past. .not for a show..I put on some size and maintained a lean look..but in my opinion Palumbos keto diet would be a better option...
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Theres many varations of keto. .thats DiPasquales method..Honestly Ive tried that in the past. .not for a show..I put on some size and maintained a lean look..but in my opinion Palumbos keto diet would be a better option...
How are they different? They sound exactly the same to me
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False. It slows down the process of body fat loss. I don't know which version of an anabolic or keto diet, that you are using. There are bunch of them, with differences of opinion as to what should constitute a keto diet. The basics are simple and work. If you want to lose your body fat, then don't eat carbs, up your fat and protein intake instead, and your body fat with burn away. And, you don't need to eat carbs for energy. Fats are your best source of energy, but you won't be able to burn any body fat, unless you get rid of the carbs in your diet. Aren't too many ways that I can explain it. Do it, or don't, but half way shit is a waste of time. GL.
Yeah i got it. I thougt anabolic and keto was the same idea. I liked the anabolic diet weekend DAY cheat as it seems more sustainable for a lifestyle (allows me a couple beers and a normal person dinner with the wife)
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How are they different? They sound exactly the same to me
dude they're vastly different. ..Palumbo has 1 cheat meal a week and his fat sources are much more strict
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False. It slows down the process of body fat loss. I don't know which version of an anabolic or keto diet, that you are using. There are bunch of them, with differences of opinion as to what should constitute a keto diet. The basics are simple and work. If you want to lose your body fat, then don't eat carbs, up your fat and protein intake instead, and your body fat will burn away. And, you don't need to eat carbs for energy. Fats are your best source of energy, but you won't be able to burn any body fat, unless you get rid of the carbs in your diet. Aren't too many ways that I can explain it. Do it, or don't, but half way shit is a waste of time. GL.
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broscience at its best
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dude they're vastly different. ..Palumbo has 1 cheat meal a week and his fat sources are much more strict
I read that anabolic diet isnt really keto but close, and weekends you carb up. I guess im doing modified, one cheat MEAL per week (sat night). Keto is the same but the carb ups are
More often and timed around work outs, but i cant be bothered with all that nit picking.
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As far as contest dieting goes the way I have always done it as follows. I do zero carb and generally do an all day carb up on Sat. The carb meals are structured so one can still eat roughly 6 meals per day. Mainly carbs and fats with protein rather low but not too low. My guys consistently lost 2 to 2.5 pounds of fat per week. The carb meals replenished glycogen and seemed to speed up the metabolism and obviously gave these guys something to look forward to which was just a bonus. You have to remember we are dealing with bodybuilders here not the general public and most of these guys are running lots of anabolics. You do NOT have to worry about being in ketosis that is a non issue.
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There's no magic.
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I read that anabolic diet isnt really keto but close, and weekends you carb up. I guess im doing modified, one cheat MEAL per week (sat night). Keto is the same but the carb ups are
More often and timed around work outs, but i cant be bothered with all that nit picking.
i think the idea is that you load enough carbs to fuel your workouts for the week, while going back into ketosis after 2-3 days and then burning bodyfat for the other 3 days of the week...
ketosis occurs when LIVER glycogen is depleted, not MUSCLE glycogen. muscle glycogen fuels your workouts. if liver glycogen is depleted (which usually takes ~2-3 days and can be sped up via cardio etc) you go into ketosis.
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As far as contest dieting goes the way I have always done it as follows. I do zero carb and generally do an all day carb up on Sat. The carb meals are structured so one can still eat roughly 6 meals per day. Mainly carbs and fats with protein rather low but not too low. My guys consistently lost 2 to 2.5 pounds of fat per week. The carb meals replenished glycogen and seemed to speed up the metabolism and obviously gave these guys something to look forward to which was just a bonus. You have to remember we are dealing with bodybuilders here not the general public and most of these guys are running lots of anabolics. You do NOT have to worry about being in ketosis that is a non issue.
Yeah i keep reading that as well, that ketosis isnt the goal. Just programming the body to use fat instead.
Im also curious about the calorie content you had your guys follow. Dr dipasqual says 3400 cals for a 200 lb guy all week of fat, pro, and less than 30 carbs...for maintenence. Honestly that sounds hi and I would think would make someone fat but i dunno
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ketosis IS the goal. for ketosis muscle glycogen does not have to be depleted though. only liver glycogen. which takes 2-3 days of no carbs.
these calories are way too high. youd also have to eat like 300g of fat with these macros... protein should be kept below 250 or so max...
that leaves 2400 kcals from fat, thats close to 300g fat. unless you drink mayonnaise thats much higher than needed
use as little calories as possible
keto allows you to be full and have less cravings anyway on much lower calories than carb diets...
i can diet on 2500 kcals a day on keto EXTREMELY confortable... i can easily get away with only 3 meals a day too. that makes about 60g fat per meal. keeps you full for hours...
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ketosis IS the goal. for ketosis muscle glycogen does not have to be depleted though. only liver glycogen. which takes 2-3 days of no carbs.
these calories are way too high. youd also have to eat like 300g of fat with these macros... protein should be kept below 250 or so max...
that leaves 2400 kcals from fat, thats close to 300g fat. unless you drink mayonnaise thats much higher than needed
use as little calories as possible
keto allows you to be full and have less cravings anyway on much lower calories than carb diets...
i can diet on 2500 kcals a day on keto EXTREMELY confortable... i can easily get away with only 3 meals a day too. that makes about 60g fat per meal. keeps you full for hours...
I should add that i am not "cutting" per say. Almost like a "recomp" while i near the end of my 600-700mg test cycle. So, i dont want to diet to early this year. I still want to add a bit of muscle but just firm it up. The Ad sounds great for that. Honestly all his readings say a maintenece cal of 3400. 16-18 times bodyweight. I always looks great in spring when i finish cutting, but my body kind of crashes in summer and i start packing on fat again, even when my cals are low. Semi-metabolic damage type of thing i think.
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honestly i think the attempt to gain muscle without carbs is a complete and utter waste of time
while keto is great for cutting
its a completely useless approach for gaining muscle in ANY form and shape (including the anabolic diet. you might gain a miniscule amount of muscle on the carb up day, but not as much as you lose during the cutting phase, lol)
keto is also very damaging to your metabolism in long term imo unless you use t3 anyway
for recomping do carb cycling or eat at maintenance and blast the AAS
imo the "recomping" thing is far inferior to bulking and cutting though
decide what you want.. bulk or cut. why not do a mini cut or continue bulking if you dont want to cut too early?
i decided to start cutting 3 weeks ago so ill be ready for summer when summer starts or even earlier (probably gonna be 7% bf tops at the beginning of april)
then ill bulk slowly and clean throughout all summer
i look much better when im full of carbs anyway
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honestly i think the attempt to gain muscle without carbs is a complete and utter waste of time
while keto is great for cutting
its a completely useless approach for gaining muscle in ANY form and shape (including the anabolic diet. you might gain a miniscule amount of muscle on the carb up day, but not as much as you lose during the cutting phase, lol)
keto is also very damaging to your metabolism in long term imo unless you use t3 anyway
for recomping do carb cycling or eat at maintenance and blast the AAS
imo the "recomping" thing is far inferior to bulking and cutting though
decide what you want.. bulk or cut. why not do a mini cut or continue bulking if you dont want to cut too early?
i decided to start cutting 3 weeks ago so ill be ready for summer when summer starts or even earlier (probably gonna be 7% bf tops at the beginning of april)
then ill bulk slowly and clean throughout all summer
i look much better when im full of carbs anyway
Thanks jizmo man, i was reading that the AD was actually intended for endo/meso who want to bulk. It wasnt intended for cutting but works well if cals are dropped. How would thyroid take a hit if cals were hi enough and cheats were incorporated
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a high carb day would probably keep thyroid firing... if you dont eat carbs then t4 to t3 conversion drops significantly... no matter how high your total calories are ... there are studies on that but im too lazy to dig them out right now :P high carb days would probably ameliorate this, yeah
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a high carb day would probably keep thyroid firing... if you dont eat carbs then t4 to t3 conversion drops significantly... no matter how high your total calories are ... there are studies on that but im too lazy to dig them out right now :P high carb days would probably ameliorate this, yeah
Thanks bro, im about 19 days into the "diet" im trying to be more lifestyle, but yeah ill let u know how it works out
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During the AD lifestyle, are the carbs up the same calorie content that the days of the week are, just more carbs and alot less fats?
Noticing my stomache and legs are way tighter and chest has lost water. Today is my first real full carb day. Had some protein bars, chipotle bowl with rice, low sugar cereal. Will have a beer and normal person dinner later. Back to hi fat low carb sunday
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ketosis IS the goal. for ketosis muscle glycogen does not have to be depleted though. only liver glycogen. which takes 2-3 days of no carbs.
these calories are way too high. youd also have to eat like 300g of fat with these macros... protein should be kept below 250 or so max...
that leaves 2400 kcals from fat, thats close to 300g fat. unless you drink mayonnaise thats much higher than needed
use as little calories as possible
keto allows you to be full and have less cravings anyway on much lower calories than carb diets...
i can diet on 2500 kcals a day on keto EXTREMELY confortable... i can easily get away with only 3 meals a day too. that makes about 60g fat per meal. keeps you full for hours...
The goal is fat loss with muscle preservation. Being in ketosis will not aid either and since your insulin levels are in check your appetite will also be curbed. Worrying about being in ketosis is just putting undo stress on your self for no reason.
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During the AD lifestyle, are the carbs up the same calorie content that the days of the week are, just more carbs and alot less fats?
Noticing my stomache and legs are way tighter and chest has lost water. Today is my first real full carb day. Had some protein bars, chipotle bowl with rice, low sugar cereal. Will have a beer and normal person dinner later. Back to hi fat low carb sunday
usually much higher
some people eat 1000g carbs on carb ups
500-600g usually does the trick. so thats still additional calories
if you keep fat low you wont gain any fat even when you eat a shitton of carbs (if you limit that to a day).
there are even studies on that
The goal is fat loss with muscle preservation. Being in ketosis will not aid either and since your insulin levels are in check your appetite will also be curbed. Worrying about being in ketosis is just putting undo stress on your self for no reason.
being in ketosis makes dieting much easier because of less appetite. how does that apply stress lol. its much more stressful to be starving all day because your insulin runs amok.
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usually much higher
some people eat 1000g carbs on carb ups
500-600g usually does the trick. so thats still additional calories
if you keep fat low you wont gain any fat even when you eat a shitton of carbs (if you limit that to a day).
there are even studies on that
being in ketosis makes dieting much easier because of less appetite. how does that apply stress lol. its much more stressful to be starving all day because your insulin runs amok.
Why would insulin be running amok on a zero carb diet? I've seen plenty of guys on zero carbs that went in and out of ketosis. You're missing the forest for the trees. Calorie deficit equals fat loss and no matter what you're going to be hungry so what.
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usually much higher
some people eat 1000g carbs on carb ups
500-600g usually does the trick. so thats still additional calories
if you keep fat low you wont gain any fat even when you eat a shitton of carbs (if you limit that to a day).
there are even studies on that
being in ketosis makes dieting much easier because of less appetite. how does that apply stress lol. its much more stressful to be starving all day because your insulin runs amok.
Thanks, im just amazed that just eating beef and a few nuts, oils, butter, greens, i wouldnt be in full ketosis after a couple days of that
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Why would insulin be running amok on a zero carb diet? I've seen plenty of guys on zero carbs that went in and out of ketosis. You're missing the forest for the trees. Calorie deficit equals fat loss and no matter what you're going to be hungry so what.
if you dont eat carbs for 2-3 consecutive days YOU ARE IN KETOSIS
unless u eat like 500g protein a day then its gluconeogenesis time.
do you even know what ketosis means? its essentially the condition where your body is using fat for fuel.
which ALWAYS happens when you dont eat carbs
eat no carbs = youre in ketosis
you cant be not in ketosis when you eat 0 carbs (unless huge amounts of protein)
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if you dont eat carbs for 2-3 consecutive days YOU ARE IN KETOSIS
unless u eat like 500g protein a day then its gluconeogenesis time.
do you even know what ketosis means? its essentially the condition where your body is using fat for fuel.
which ALWAYS happens when you dont eat carbs
eat no carbs = youre in ketosis
you cant be not in ketosis when you eat 0 carbs (unless huge amounts of protein)
Right but werent u saying AD isnt ketosis? Is that because the recommended 30g of carbs per day isnt really ketosis level?
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if you dont eat carbs for 2-3 consecutive days YOU ARE IN KETOSIS
unless u eat like 500g protein a day then its gluconeogenesis time.
do you even know what ketosis means? its essentially the condition where your body is using fat for fuel.
which ALWAYS happens when you dont eat carbs
eat no carbs = youre in ketosis
you cant be not in ketosis when you eat 0 carbs (unless huge amounts of protein)
Do some reading up on what glucogenesis is. Your statement makes no sense. Glucogenesis has nothing to do with how much protein you eat. Your body will convert protein into glucose for the energy that the brain needs. That is glucogenesis. It is also my understanding that it can convert fat into glucose too if need be.
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Is jizmo some 20year old expert lol
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Right but werent u saying AD isnt ketosis? Is that because the recommended 30g of carbs per day isnt really ketosis level?
AD is ketosis. youre just out of ketosis during the carb up and the following 2-3 days, then youll be back into ketosis.
30g carbs are also not recommended. theyre the MAXIMUM that youre allowed to eat.
Do some reading up on what glucogenesis is. Your statement makes no sense. Glucogenesis has nothing to do with how much protein you eat. Your body will convert protein into glucose for the energy that the brain needs. That is glucogenesis. It is also my understanding that it can convert fat into glucose too if need be.
this statement alone shows that you have zero clue about the topic
if you consume too much protein then the body uses it as fuel = gluconeogenesis (which would normally take place from carbs, but with no carbs and an abundance of protein it happens aswell).
gluconeogenesis kicks you out of ketosis.
fat can not be converted into glucose ::) if the body uses fat as fuel = ketosis
ketosis would be impossible if fat could be converted into glucose
Is jizmo some 20year old expert lol
neither nor
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Do some reading up on what glucogenesis is. Your statement makes no sense. Glucogenesis has nothing to do with how much protein you eat. Your body will convert protein into glucose for the energy that the brain needs. That is glucogenesis. It is also my understanding that it can convert fat into glucose too if need be.
You are correct on all counts.
Gluconeogenesis is basically a stop gap measure for the brain to get glucose in the absence of carbs. Glucose can be converted from Protein: Alanine, and from Fat: Glycerol. However, there are limits to how much glucose can be produced this way. That's why there's Ketosis: fueling the brain with Ketones, which is a last resort.
The reason Keto works so well for fat loss is that you're taking the least satiating macro, carbs, completely out of the mix, leaving only Protein which doesn't get converted to fat and is almost impossible to overeat, and fat which is extremely satiating (how many egg yolks can you eat?)
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You are correct on all counts.
Gluconeogenesis is basically a stop gap measure for the brain to get glucose in the absence of carbs. Glucose can be converted from Protein: Alanine, and from Fat: Glycerol. However, there are limits to how much glucose can be produced this way. That's why there's Ketosis: fueling the brain with Ketones, which is a last resort.
The reason Keto works so well for fat loss is that you're taking the least satiating macro, carbs, completely out of the mix, leaving only Protein which doesn't get converted to fat and is almost impossible to overeat, and fat which is extremely satiating (how many egg yolks can you eat?)
true
the amount of glucose which can be converted from fat is extremely insignificant though
i dont know if the human body even does that because its ineffective in terms of energy balance too
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What about over all health benefits or low carbs/hi fat. Isnt there some work on alzheimers and other neuro degenrative diseases that show carbs accelerate those diseases?
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numerous.. i think carbs in general are not as deleterious as some make it sound
the main culprit for that is not carbs but sugar (causing inflammation and by that causing scores of various diseases)
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numerous.. i think carbs in general are not as deleterious as some make it sound
the main culprit for that is not carbs but sugar (causing inflammation and by that causing scores of various diseases)
Word.
Did want to give a lil update. I do notice my puffy aerolas (ive even had surgery before but no gland was removed-cuz i didnt have one. Just been cursed with soft puffy nips since birth) seem way flatter, like the water is leaving that area. Chest is looking more shapely than usual.
My first carb up was pretty good. Pita bread, rice, fish, Box of junior mints after dinner. A large dark beer. Bowl of cereal, bowl of plain oats, a few Of my wifes protein bars that are basically junk food, chipotle bowl (chicken rice beans). So probably over did it, but i didnt eat cake or pizza so i consider that a win.
Back on hi fat low carb today. So just one all out day of normal food
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its all good
its basically impossible to reverse progress by refeeding or even cheating hard once a week
ive had days where i pigged out insanely
like i ate a pound of nutella on a loaf of bread and finished it off with half a gallon of icecream with chocolate cookies on top
over 5000 kcals on top of normal food and not even clean (= carbs) but complete trash fat+sugar mix
then the next 2 days your hunger is completely curbed
stay strict and suffer a bit the 2 days following such a cheat day and youll be LIGHTER THAN BEFORE on the 3rd day
it ALWAYS went like this for me, no matter how much trash i ate on the cheat day
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What's the consensus on building muscle on high fat/low carb?
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my opinion: waste of time, forget about it
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my opinion: waste of time, forget about it
Im kind of trying this, although half ass cuz im afriad of being a slob
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my opinion: waste of time, forget about it
Even on gear?
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Any idea what u can eat while traveling thru airports and what not? Jerky has sugar in it and u can only eat so many nuts
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numerous.. i think carbs in general are not as deleterious as some make it sound
the main culprit for that is not carbs but sugar (causing inflammation and by that causing scores of various diseases)
Wrong, all carbs are broken down into glucose so too many carbs will still cause inflammation specifically of the endothelial wall in the heart.
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AD is ketosis. youre just out of ketosis during the carb up and the following 2-3 days, then youll be back into ketosis.
30g carbs are also not recommended. theyre the MAXIMUM that youre allowed to eat.
this statement alone shows that you have zero clue about the topic
if you consume too much protein then the body uses it as fuel = gluconeogenesis (which would normally take place from carbs, but with no carbs and an abundance of protein it happens aswell).
gluconeogenesis kicks you out of ketosis.
fat can not be converted into glucose ::) if the body uses fat as fuel = ketosis
ketosis would be impossible if fat could be converted into glucose
neither nor
Again you're wrong. Fats can be converted from fatty acids into glucose. You need to do some reading on basic nutrition. Glycogenesis does NOT kick you out of ketosis. You're brain needs glucose to function therefore you can NOT stop your body from converting the protein into glucose for brain function.
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What's the consensus on building muscle on high fat/low carb?
Of course you can. I've personally done it and many of my clients through out the years have and yes on ZERO carbs!!!
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Wrong, all carbs are broken down into glucose so too many carbs will still cause inflammation specifically of the endothelial wall in the heart.
consuming straight glucose is completely different from consuming complex carbohydrates
Again you're wrong. Fats can be converted from fatty acids into glucose. You need to do some reading on basic nutrition. Glycogenesis does NOT kick you out of ketosis. You're brain needs glucose to function therefore you can NOT stop your body from converting the protein into glucose for brain function.
EXCESS gluconeogenesis DOES kick you out of ketosis.
plus your brain CAN use fat as fuel. thats essentially the POINT of ketosis, lol.
ketone bodies ARE used by your brain and you DO NOT need glucose.
maybe YOU need to do some reading on basic nutrition. ::)
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I've learned more in this thread than 7 years on getbig :)
Thanks amigos
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consuming straight glucose is completely different from consuming complex carbohydrates
EXCESS gluconeogenesis DOES kick you out of ketosis.
plus your brain CAN use fat as fuel. thats essentially the POINT of ketosis, lol.
ketone bodies ARE used by your brain and you DO NOT need glucose.
maybe YOU need to do some reading on basic nutrition. ::)
Dear god, what the hell in excess glycogenesis!
The brain gets a portion of its energy from ketone bodies when glucose is less available (e.g., during fasting, strenuous exercise, low carbohydrate, ketogenic diet and in neonates). In the event of low blood glucose, most other tissues have additional energy sources besides ketone bodies (such as fatty acids), but the brain has an obligatory requirement for some glucose
Glycogenesis will happen regardless for brain function!!! So again you are wrong. The brain can not survive on ketones alone.
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Any idea what u can eat while traveling thru airports and what not? Jerky has sugar in it and u can only eat so many nuts
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BURGER with no bun...
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consuming straight glucose is completely different from consuming complex carbohydrates
EXCESS gluconeogenesis DOES kick you out of ketosis.
plus your brain CAN use fat as fuel. thats essentially the POINT of ketosis, lol.
ketone bodies ARE used by your brain and you DO NOT need glucose.
maybe YOU need to do some reading on basic nutrition. ::)
Not saying you are wrong, but I would like to specifically what you mean. I am speaking of inflammation of the endothelial wall.
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Dear god, what the hell in excess glycogenesis!
The brain gets a portion of its energy from ketone bodies when glucose is less available (e.g., during fasting, strenuous exercise, low carbohydrate, ketogenic diet and in neonates). In the event of low blood glucose, most other tissues have additional energy sources besides ketone bodies (such as fatty acids), but the brain has an obligatory requirement for some glucose
Glycogenesis will happen regardless for brain function!!! So again you are wrong. The brain can not survive on ketones alone.
no, the brain can not use long chain fatty acids for fuel.
ketone bodies CAN be used for fuel by the brain and the brain does not need glucose to survive:
"The brain cannot use long-chain fatty acids for energy because they are completely albumin-bound and cannot cross the blood–brain barrier. Not all medium-chain fatty acids are bound to albumin. The unbound medium-chain fatty acids are soluble in the blood and can cross the blood–brain barrier.[11] The ketone bodies produced in the liver can also cross the blood–brain barrier. In the brain, these ketone bodies are then incorporated into acetyl-CoA and used in the citric acid cycle"
this means that ketone bodies can essentially function as substitute for glucose.
Not saying you are wrong, but I would like to specifically what you mean. I am speaking of inflammation of the endothelial wall.
i would be inclined to say that the strong insulin response from high glycemic / simple carbs play a role in inflammation and complex carbohydrates therefore lead to less inflammation but i have to admit that im not well versed enough on that specific topic
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no, the brain can not use long chain fatty acids for fuel.
ketone bodies CAN be used for fuel by the brain and the brain does not need glucose to survive:
"The brain cannot use long-chain fatty acids for energy because they are completely albumin-bound and cannot cross the blood–brain barrier. Not all medium-chain fatty acids are bound to albumin. The unbound medium-chain fatty acids are soluble in the blood and can cross the blood–brain barrier.[11] The ketone bodies produced in the liver can also cross the blood–brain barrier. In the brain, these ketone bodies are then incorporated into acetyl-CoA and used in the citric acid cycle"
this means that ketone bodies can essentially function as substitute for glucose.
i would be inclined to say that the strong insulin response from high glycemic / simple carbs play a role in inflammation and complex carbohydrates therefore lead to less inflammation but i have to admit that im not well versed enough on that specific topic
I never said the brain can use LCFA for fuel, but the brain can not survive solely on ketones hence the reason for glycogenesis.
Inflammation of the arterial wall comes from excess consumption of carbohydrates. Cholesterol will "stick" to the wall because of this inflammation like glue causing blockage over time. Blood levels of cholesterol are meaningless as far as heart disease is concerned. Remember all carbs break down into glucose in this instance it doesn't matter where they come from.
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I never said the brain can use LCFA for fuel, but the brain can not survive solely on ketones hence the reason for glycogenesis.
Inflammation of the arterial wall comes from excess consumption of carbohydrates. Cholesterol will "stick" to the wall because of this inflammation like glue causing blockage over time. Blood levels of cholesterol are meaningless as far as heart disease is concerned. Remember all carbs break down into glucose in this instance it doesn't matter where they come from.
you said the brain can not use fat for fuel. which is partially true because it can not use long chain fatty acids for fuel.
it CAN use ketone bodies (product of fat consumption) for fuel.
i disagree on the point that the brain cant survive solely on ketones.
thats what ketones are actually for. i wouldnt mind if you could prove me wrong with a source though ;)
gluconeogenesis is the survival mechanism that takes place if you eat no fats or carbs... = glucose is produced from protein in order not to die
ketosis is the suvival mechanism that takes place if you eat no carbs... which is a much more natural condition (but im not one of those paleo guys).
ketosis is much more energy efficient than gluconeogenesis too.
strongly agree on your second point, i know that and i know you can have the worst cholesterol profile ever without having any issues as long as there is no systemic inflammation present.
but id assume systemic inflammation is caused by excess SUGARS, not carbohydrates. you say inflammation comes from excess carbohydrate consumption... if you consume 100g of dextrose then there ARE plenty of excess carbohydrates in your blood, since its a simple carb and absorbed extremely quickly.
if you consume 100g carbs from oatmeal though then it takes your body several hours to break down the complex carbs into glucose and this results in a MUCH LOWER glucose influx at once.
sooo the release of 100g glucose OVER lets say 3 hours FROM OATMEAL is of course MUCH different than the immediate release of 100g straight glucose (from soda or whatever)
you say EXCESSIVE carbohydrates cause inflammation.
100g straight glucose are excessive.
100g glucose spread out over 3 hours (from digestion of oatmeal) might NOT be excessive and therefore NOT cause inflammation.
thats why i say complex carbs have a different effect.
edit: okay ive read up, its been proven that the brain can use fat (ketones) for approx. 75% of its energy requirements. it needs about 20-30g glucose which can be synthesized from various sources (most likely amino acids, as you said).
so youre correct on the point that the brain needs SOME (albeit only a miniscule amount) of glucose to function. the main portion of the energy requirements can be covered from dietary fat though.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK22591/
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you said the brain can not use fat for fuel. which is partially true because it can not use long chain fatty acids for fuel.
it CAN use ketone bodies (product of fat consumption) for fuel.
i disagree on the point that the brain cant survive solely on ketones.
thats what ketones are actually for. i wouldnt mind if you could prove me wrong with a source though ;)
gluconeogenesis is the survival mechanism that takes place if you eat no fats or carbs... = glucose is produced from protein in order not to die
ketosis is the suvival mechanism that takes place if you eat no carbs... which is a much more natural condition (but im not one of those paleo guys).
ketosis is much more energy efficient than gluconeogenesis too.
strongly agree on your second point, i know that and i know you can have the worst cholesterol profile ever without having any issues as long as there is no systemic inflammation present.
but id assume systemic inflammation is caused by excess SUGARS, not carbohydrates. you say inflammation comes from excess carbohydrate consumption... if you consume 100g of dextrose then there ARE plenty of excess carbohydrates in your blood, since its a simple carb and absorbed extremely quickly.
if you consume 100g carbs from oatmeal though then it takes your body several hours to break down the complex carbs into glucose and this results in a MUCH LOWER glucose influx at once.
sooo the release of 100g glucose OVER lets say 3 hours FROM OATMEAL is of course MUCH different than the immediate release of 100g straight glucose (from soda or whatever)
you say EXCESSIVE carbohydrates cause inflammation.
100g straight glucose are excessive.
100g glucose spread out over 3 hours (from digestion of oatmeal) might NOT be excessive and therefore NOT cause inflammation.
thats why i say complex carbs have a different effect.
edit: okay ive read up, its been proven that the brain can use fat (ketones) for approx. 75% of its energy requirements. it needs about 20-30g glucose which can be synthesized from various sources (most likely amino acids, as you said).
so youre correct on the point that the brain needs SOME (albeit only a miniscule amount) of glucose to function. the main portion of the energy requirements can be covered from dietary fat though.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK22591/
OK since the brain does need a certain amount of glucose and it has to get it by way of glycogenesis then by definition glycogenesis does not only happen in the absence of fats and carbs (highlighted above). As a side not, no fats and no carbs = death.
As a side not, I am NOT talking about in I inflammation as it pertains to insulin response. I am talking about too many sugars whether it be from simple or complex as it pertains to inflammation to the endothelial wall.
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OK since the brain does need a certain amount of glucose and it has to get it by way of glycogenesis then by definition glycogenesis does not only happen in the absence of fats and carbs (highlighted above). As a side not, no fats and no carbs = death.
As a side not, I am NOT talking about in I inflammation as it pertains to insulin response. I am talking about too many sugars whether it be from simple or complex as it pertains to inflammation to the endothelial wall.
yes, i am aware of that. protein alone can not nourish the human body. wasnt that called rabbit starvation or so? where some inuit group only ate lean rabbit meat and they all died, because even though there was an abundance of calories, it was pretty much protein only.
i understand your opinion about the inflammation. however as i explained, i would think that the AMOUNT of "too many sugars" as you call it would be MUCH different with complex vs simple carbohydrates. as i said, the "release" rate of glucose is vastly different and therefore 1g complex carbohydrate should have a much different effect on inflammation than 1g simple carbohydrate.
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yes, i am aware of that. protein alone can not nourish the human body. wasnt that called rabbit starvation or so? where some inuit group only ate lean rabbit meat and they all died, because even though there was an abundance of calories, it was pretty much protein only.
i understand your opinion about the inflammation. however as i explained, i would think that the AMOUNT of "too many sugars" as you call it would be MUCH different with complex vs simple carbohydrates. as i said, the "release" rate of glucose is vastly different and therefore 1g complex carbohydrate should have a much different effect on inflammation than 1g simple carbohydrate.
Can't disagree with that if everybody would cut out all added sugars we'd be much healthier. Probably 50% of the calories or maybe more are just in the form of table sugars fructose or added sugars.
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Get disagree with that if everybody would cut out all added sugars we'd be much healthier. Probably 50% of the calories or maybe more are just in the form of table sugars fructose or added sugars.
Average American caloric intake is ~3.7k, with carbs intake in the 350-400 gram range. It should be in the 150-200 gram range.
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Average American caloric intake is ~3.7k, with carbs intake in the 350-400 gram range. It should be in the 150-200 gram range.
It should be zero. There is no need for carbs in the human diet. Scientifically, there are essential fatty acids, as in fats, and essential amino acids, as in proteins. They're essential because that is what your body needs for strength and health, they're what your body is made from. There are no essential carbohydrates, none. You don't need to eat carbohydrates at all, in fact they cause weakness and ill health.
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It should be zero. There is no need for carbs in the human diet. Scientifically, there are essential fatty acids, as in fats, and essential amino acids, as in proteins. They're essential because that is what your body needs for strength and health, they're what your body is made from. There are no essential carbohydrates, none. You don't need to eat carbohydrates at all, in fact they cause weakness and ill health.
Ketosis advocates point out that there is no essential carb and that carbs are not necessary for survival.
While this is true, that doesn't mean that zero carbs is optimal.
There's a reason it's so easy to get kicked out of Ketosis. The brain's preferred fuel source is glucose. Moreover, Glycogen is a better fuel for high intensity work than fat.
Bottom line is that carbs have their place. The problem is over consumption.
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Ketosis advocates point out that there is no essential carb and that carbs are not necessary for survival.
While this is true, that doesn't mean that zero carbs is optimal.
There's a reason it's so easy to get kicked out of Ketosis. The brain's preferred fuel source is glucose. Moreover, Glycogen is a better fuel for high intensity work than fat.
Bottom line is that carbs have their place. The problem is over consumption.
The brain's preferred fuel is ketones. Dietary glucose acts as a pollutant that interferes with the brain using ketones for fuel. All brain conditions and diseases respond excellently to a keto diet. Epilepsy, Autism, ADHD, ADD, mental illness, brain injuries, all get better on a high fat keto type diet. The reverse would be true if glucose was the best brain food. Eat sugar and your brain suffers, that's a fact.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15469884. You can find more examples of brain problems improving, on keto diets, listed there. You won't find any that shows brain improvement on a high carb diet.
High carb diet makes you mentally slow. It takes longer to do things, you think slower, it slows your reflexes and your reaction time.
Here is a very cautiously worded blog, on the Scientific American website, that may interest some here: http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/mind-guest-blog/2013/10/01/the-fat-fueled-brain-unnatural-or-advantageous/
Glycogen is not a better fuel source for high intensity workouts. Glycogen, as with glucose, interferes with the body's ability to use ketones for energy. The whole point of keto diet is to get the body to burn fats, instead of sugars. Endurance athletes are switching to keto diets.
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The brain's preferred fuel is ketones. Dietary glucose acts as a pollutant that interferes with the brain using ketones for fuel. All brain conditions and diseases respond excellently to a keto diet. Epilepsy, Autism, ADHD, ADD, mental illness, brain injuries, all get better on a high fat keto type diet. The reverse would be true if glucose was the best brain food. Eat sugar and your brain suffers, that's a fact.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15469884. You can find more examples of brain problems improving, on keto diets, listed there. You won't find any that shows brain improvement on a high carb diet.
High carb diet makes you mentally slow. It takes longer to do things, you think slower, it slows your reflexes and your reaction time.
Here is a very cautiously worded blog, on the Scientific American website, that may interest some here: http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/mind-guest-blog/2013/10/01/the-fat-fueled-brain-unnatural-or-advantageous/
Glycogen is not a better fuel source for high intensity workouts. Glycogen, as with glucose, interferes with the body's ability to use ketones for energy. The whole point of keto diet is to get the body to burn fats, instead of sugars. Endurance athletes are switching to keto diets.
Erik, im on board bro. But,
It sounds a little too good to be true
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Erik, im on board bro. But,
It sounds a little too good to be true
A little to good to be true? What's that supposed to mean? Once you get over all the BS about: dying without eating carbs, and having no energy without carbs, and having no muscle strength without eating carbs, then you lose the the body fat and get a great cut look. It's still not easy. You still have to do the work, and eat big on fats and proteins. It can be done. But only you can do it for you.
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The brain's preferred fuel is ketones. Dietary glucose acts as a pollutant that interferes with the brain using ketones for fuel. All brain conditions and diseases respond excellently to a keto diet. Epilepsy, Autism, ADHD, ADD, mental illness, brain injuries, all get better on a high fat keto type diet. The reverse would be true if glucose was the best brain food. Eat sugar and your brain suffers, that's a fact.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15469884. You can find more examples of brain problems improving, on keto diets, listed there. You won't find any that shows brain improvement on a high carb diet.
High carb diet makes you mentally slow. It takes longer to do things, you think slower, it slows your reflexes and your reaction time.
Here is a very cautiously worded blog, on the Scientific American website, that may interest some here: http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/mind-guest-blog/2013/10/01/the-fat-fueled-brain-unnatural-or-advantageous/
Glycogen is not a better fuel source for high intensity workouts. Glycogen, as with glucose, interferes with the body's ability to use ketones for energy. The whole point of keto diet is to get the body to burn fats, instead of sugars. Endurance athletes are switching to keto diets.
I do agree that the body does NOT need carbs to survive, but a few points I'd like to make.
First, the preferred source of fuel for the brain and body is carbs. When giving the body both carbs and fats it will pick carbs first this is also true for the brain. Once you take carbs away the body can still thrive on fats, but that doesn't mean it's the "preferred" choice.
As far as the brain you can "train" your brain to need less glucose, roughly 30 grams per day and the rest can utilized from ketones. Just because carbs are excluded and we can use fats as energy doesn't mean it's not the bodies preferred choice. I'm NOT talking about the average sugar laden diet, but a more healthy diet one may have eaten many years ago before HFCS was added to everything.
Also, just because a certain brain disease responds well to a restriction of carbs (again they are dealing with people who are eating an insane amount of sugar per year) doesn't mean carbs are damaging to a normal healthy brain. When you use the term "high carb diet" I'm not sure exactly what you mean, but I will assume unless otherwise corrected that you are referring to the average American diet where people consume up to 140 pounds of sugar per year.
If we go back in time where the average yearly sugar consumption was say 10 pounds a year of sugar then you would see a lot less diseases that exist in present day and these studies that are done would not be valid due to such low sugar consumption. So how much heart disease, epilepsy, ADD, autism, obesity would we see if we ate a diet void of any outside sources of added sugar??? What if our diets consisted of just 20% of natural sources of carbohydrates??
All this data that is compiled using todays diet as a standard is pretty much worthless if we ate like we should IE far less sugar!! Carbs are NOT the enemy unless eaten to such an extreme amounts like they are today.
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I do agree that the body does NOT need carbs to survive, but a few points I'd like to make.
First, the preferred source of fuel for the brain and body is carbs. When giving the body both carbs and fats it will pick carbs first this is also true for the brain. Once you take carbs away the body can still thrive on fats, but that doesn't mean it's the "preferred" choice.
As far as the brain you can "train" your brain to need less glucose, roughly 30 grams per day and the rest can utilized from ketones. Just because carbs are excluded and we can use fats as energy doesn't mean it's not the bodies preferred choice. I'm NOT talking about the average sugar laden diet, but a more healthy diet one may have eaten many years ago before HFCS was added to everything.
Also, just because a certain brain disease responds well to a restriction of carbs (again they are dealing with people who are eating an insane amount of sugar per year) doesn't mean carbs are damaging to a normal healthy brain. When you use the term "high carb diet" I'm not sure exactly what you mean, but I will assume unless otherwise corrected that you are referring to the average American diet where people consume up to 140 pounds of sugar per year.
If we go back in time where the average yearly sugar consumption was say 10 pounds a year of sugar then you would see a lot less diseases that exist in present day and these studies that are done would not be valid due to such low sugar consumption. So how much heart disease, epilepsy, ADD, autism, obesity would we see if we ate a diet void of any outside sources of added sugar??? What if our diets consisted of just 20% of natural sources of carbohydrates??
All this data that is compiled using todays diet as a standard is pretty much worthless if we ate like we should IE far less sugar!! Carbs are NOT the enemy unless eaten to such an extreme amounts like they are today.
Children eat sugar as their "preferred" food, it's not the best food for them. Same with the human body in general. Reread my post that you quoted. In the absence of sugar the brain uses ketones. Go back before the Neolithic Revolution of farming. How did Paleolithic Man get a year round supply of carbs in temperate climates or arctic climates? People in Northern climates developed higher intelligence levels precisely because there were few carbs in their diet. In Africa, where IQs are generally low, the high carb diet was possible year round. But, even in Africa, the pygmies are of lower intelligence than the low African average. They have one of the highest, of high carb diets, searching year round for honey and have done so for tens of thousands of years, and have degenerated both in intellect and physical size, because of their high carb diet. As I pointed out before, High fat diet helps the brain, and heals the brain. There is no help for any brain condition from eating more sugar or carbs. If glucose were the optimal brain food, then the reverse would be true.
You don't require carbohydrates in your diet, and eating them is detrimental to your over all health. Eskimos, Siberian Tungus peoples, Laplanders, all ate high fat and protein diets for tens of thousands of years, under much harsher conditions than exist today, and survived and were healthy, until they adopted the imported, high carb diet.
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Children eat sugar as their "preferred" food, it's not the best food for them. Same with the human body in general. Reread my post that you quoted. In the absence of sugar the brain uses ketones. Go back before the Neolithic Revolution of farming. How did Paleolithic Man get a year round supply of carbs in temperate climates or arctic climates? People in Northern climates developed higher intelligence levels precisely because there were few carbs in their diet. In Africa, where IQs are generally low, the high carb diet was possible year round. But, even in Africa, the pygmies are of lower intelligence than the low African average. They have one of the highest, of high carb diets, searching year round for honey and have done so for tens of thousands of years, and have degenerated both in intellect and physical size, because of their high carb diet. As I pointed out before, High fat diet helps the brain, and heals the brain. There is no help for any brain condition from eating more sugar or carbs. If glucose were the optimal brain food, then the reverse would be true.
You don't require carbohydrates in your diet, and eating them is detrimental to your over all health. Eskimos, Siberian Tungus peoples, Laplanders, all ate high fat and protein diets for tens of thousands of years, under much harsher conditions than exist today, and survived and were healthy, until they adopted the imported, high carb diet.
Agreed on everything you said, but what I have highlighted I would have ended it with, while cutting out all sources of high fructose corn syrup and any other bad sources of sugar. Again, many of these diets are using far too many simple carbs. Insulin is an aging hormone so keeping it low is key to living a long healthy life.
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Agreed on everything you said, but what I have highlighted I would have ended it with, while cutting out all sources of high fructose corn syrup and any other bad sources of sugar. Again, many of these diets are using far too many simple carbs. Insulin is an aging hormone so keeping it low is key to living a long healthy life.
You would have ended it there, but I didn't, because the rest of what I posted is true. Carbs are a detriment to human health. Glucose is bad for the brain. Insulin is an aging hormone, and the only way to keep insulin low is to keep carbohydrates out of your body, because sugars and starches spike insulin levels high every time you eat them.
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You would have ended it there, but I didn't, because the rest of what I posted is true. Carbs are a detriment to human health. Glucose is bad for the brain. Insulin is an aging hormone, and the only way to keep insulin low is to keep carbohydrates out of your body, because sugars and starches spike insulin levels high every time you eat them.
I'm not in agreement the all carbs are detrimental to ones health. There are plenty of people who I personally know that are in their 90's and eat carbs. I'm not saying they are eating copious amounts of sugar but they eat plenty of fruits and veggies.
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I'm not in agreement the all carbs are detrimental to ones health. There are plenty of people who I personally know that are in their 90's and eat carbs. I'm not saying they are eating copious amounts of sugar but they eat plenty of fruits and veggies.
Anecdotal evidence. I once heard an interview with a 106 year old jazz musician who smoked and drank a lot, and claimed he lived so long because he never ate any food that wasn't fried, because frying food killed all the germs in it.
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Anecdotal evidence. I once heard an interview with a 106 year old jazz musician who smoked and drank a lot, and claimed he lived so long because he never ate any food that wasn't fried, because frying food killed all the germs in it.
How many octogenarians are zero carb eaters? I'm not a carb fan but I'm not convinced that eating an apple or some green beans will shorten my life span. The fact is that it's all anecdotal evidence until we start to see many people who are zero carb eaters living an extremely long life span. So far there are none. I've read a lot of interviews from people who have lived over 100 and they all have their certain ways of eating. None of them that I can recall ever ate zero carb.
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How many octogenarians are zero carb eaters? I'm not a carb fan but I'm not convinced that eating an apple or some green beans will shorten my life span.
The guy that originally got me interested in the subject was 92. I only met him that one time. He was fit, stood up straight, had all his marbles, and if he had dyed his hair he could of passed for 55 easy. When I found out how old he was, I naturally asked him what he did to be in such fine shape. I also asked him for some proof of his age. He had a drivers license to prove it. Turns out his first job after getting out of the military was in a sugar refinery! When he saw what went on in the sugar refining process, he quit eating sugar right there and then. He was way ahead of he current keto trend. So he was on a low carb diet, way less than 10% carbs per meal, for 70 years when I met him. As I said, he was in great shape for his age. I've seen a lot of 90+ year old's, and they look it, emaciated, no muscle, just bones and sagging skin, wrinkles on wrinkles, no brain power. Alive, but that's about it. I want to be like the guy I met, when I get to be 92.
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The guy that originally got me interested in the subject was 92. I only met him that one time. He was fit, stood up straight, had all his marbles, and if he had dyed his hair he could of passed for 55 easy. When I found out how old he was, I naturally asked him what he did to be in such fine shape. I also asked him for some proof of his age. He had a drivers license to prove it. Turns out his first job after getting out of the military was in a sugar refinery! When he saw what went on in the sugar refining process, he quit eating sugar right there and then. He was way ahead of he current keto trend. So he was on a low carb diet, way less than 10% carbs per meal, for 70 years when I met him. As I said, he was in great shape for his age. I've seen a lot of 90+ year old's, and they look it, emaciated, no muscle, just bones and sagging skin, wrinkles on wrinkles, no brain power. Alive, but that's about it. I want to be like the guy I met, when I get to be 92.
I'm not doubting he looked good for his age but I doubt he looked 55. I personally eat very low carb and I'm always told I don't look my age so I totally agree sugar kills and ages. What I don't understand is how do 100's of thousands of people live to be 80 and in good health eating mainly carbs?
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I'm not doubting he looked good for his age but I doubt he looked 55. I personally eat very low carb and I'm always told I don't look my age so I totally agree sugar kills and ages. What I don't understand is how do 100's of thousands of people live to be 80 and in good health eating mainly carbs?
They don't! They're not in great shape at all. They're surviving, not living. The guy I told you about didn't have any more wrinkles, than a forty year old. He didn't have age spots. His shoulders were square, not rounded. He wasn't bent over. Didn't have a cane or a walker. I don't know where you got the idea that there are 100s of thousands of people in their 80s who ate mainly carbs, who are in good health. Seems your opinion of good health in one's 80s, is just being alive in your 80s. Most of the 80 year olds that I've seen, look like shit, and I'd rather be dead, than be them.
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Say u were eating 2600 kcals of brown rice, oats, meats, etc.
Switched to hi fat, low carb, mod protein of the same calorie amount of 2600...
Will you be looking much different after a month or so, or does it take a long time to see benefits in terms of leanness, etc
You'll get shredded and stay strong as fuck.
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They don't! They're not in great shape at all. They're surviving, not living. The guy I told you about didn't have any more wrinkles, than a forty year old. He didn't have age spots. His shoulders were square, not rounded. He wasn't bent over. Didn't have a cane or a walker. I don't know where you got the idea that there are 100s of thousands of people in their 80s who ate mainly carbs, who are in good health. Seems your opinion of good health in one 80s, is just being alive in your 80s. Most of the 80 year olds that I've seen, look like shit, and I'd rather be dead, than be them.
Where in any of my posts did I say the eight year olds that I know were not in good health? I know one 80 year old lady right now who has never been to a Dr other than a knee replacement walks the mall every week for two hours and shops and eats mainly TV dinners. My aunt lived to be 93 and she drank a six pack of Pepsi every day no exaggeration. She cut her own grass every week and the first time she went to a doctor is when she fell she was 89 years old. I could go on and on. All of the older people that I do now that are healthy and there are plenty of them eat a normal diet. The ones that I know who are sick are either smokers or drinkers. I still choose to eat a very low carb diet but I would still love to know why I see a lot of older people were very healthy And eat what ever they want. Oh and one other thing that these people seem to have in common is none of them are overweight to any great degree. Can you find me one person over 80 years old That eats is zero carb diet and has For at least 20 years?
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Erica C a paleo nut and atheist nazi
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So OP, are you "unconfused yet?"
LOL at all this overthinking and shit, oh man...
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Erik C and Disgusted, could you please outline what you eat and how much?
Thanks.
Quote from: Rammstein on February 23, 2015, 06:44:25 AM
What's the consensus on building muscle on high fat/low carb?
Of course you can. I've personally done it and many of my clients through out the years have and yes on ZERO carbs!!!
Disgusted, just eat above maintenance calories (12x or higher BW in lbs?) and 70% fat? Thanks.
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Maintenence at 12 x Body weight just seems insane to me. There is no way that is neutral gain/loss. For me id be a fat fucking mess at 3600 kcals a day
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Maintenence at 12 x Body weight just seems insane to me. There is no way that is neutral gain/loss. For me id be a fat fucking mess at 3600 kcals a day
Even on gear?
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Even on gear?
Yeah man, TRT or even just test only cycles, i say no way...well for me personally.
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You're 300lbs?
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300lb? The formula is 12-13 x bw (200lb male or so)
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=F_UUvYrH0QI
Piana speaks...
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300lb? The formula is 12-13 x bw (200lb male or so)
Must have misinterpreted that wrong or something. You said in previous post that 12x bodyweight was a lot then mentioned 3600cals as being way too much so assumed 300x12=3600. I probably missed a post somewhere along the way.
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Must have misinterpreted that wrong or something. You said in previous post that 12x bodyweight was a lot then mentioned 3600cals as being way too much so assumed 300x12=3600. I probably missed a post somewhere along the way.
Sorry u were right. I meant 16x18 times bw for maintenence on this diet. Cutting is 12 x bw. The maintenence sounds way to high IMO
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the numbers are pretty accurate imo if you train 4-5 times a week, hard and heavy.
gotta take many variables into account: lean mass, workout intensity, AAS/hormones, plus of course if you have an active job
16x200 = 3200 kcals, thats not a high maintenance imo..
i was maintaining natty at 180lbs at 3500 kcals or so and i was completely sedentary (college student) except for working out about 90mins 5 days a week
but i was also maintaining at 3500 years later on a shitton of AAS, t3 and so on when i was only hitting the gym 3 days a week for 60mins
drugs do a lot in that regard, especially tren and t3 (and GH too)
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these are probably milligrams
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the numbers are pretty accurate imo if you train 4-5 times a week, hard and heavy.
gotta take many variables into account: lean mass, workout intensity, AAS/hormones, plus of course if you have an active job
16x200 = 3200 kcals, thats not a high maintenance imo..
i was maintaining natty at 180lbs at 3500 kcals or so and i was completely sedentary (college student) except for working out about 90mins 5 days a week
but i was also maintaining at 3500 years later on a shitton of AAS, t3 and so on when i was only hitting the gym 3 days a week for 60mins
drugs do a lot in that regard, especially tren and t3 (and GH too)
Hmm interesting. Maybe i will do 3200. I do feel like i am tightening up quickly (i look lean in the morning). After a full day of water and food and all that fat my body looks swollen but i wake up trim
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Wow, that is a monster amount of calories
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I'm not sure why a bikini competitor would need to eat 4300 cals per day. She's doing some serious cardio and or T3 clen and GH.
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I'm not sure why a bikini competitor would need to eat 4300 cals per day. She's doing some serious cardio and or T3 clen and GH.
you can take all the clen and t3 you want and wont even burn half of that as a female with like 60 lbs lean mass lol.
MALE physique competitors are eating HALF OF THAT 6 weeks out.
unless he has strapped her on a treadmill for 12 hours of the day ... hes straight lying and full of shit. thats it.
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you can take all the clen and t3 you want and wont even burn half of that as a female with like 60 lbs lean mass lol.
MALE physique competitors are eating HALF OF THAT 6 weeks out.
unless he has strapped her on a treadmill for 12 hours of the day ... hes straight lying and full of shit. thats it.
Yep my guess is cardio and gh. Well more than a guess. No way someone eats like that unless doing cardio or drugs. Thing is why?
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Define magic.
constipation ??? ;D
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you can take all the clen and t3 you want and wont even burn half of that as a female with like 60 lbs lean mass lol.
MALE physique competitors are eating HALF OF THAT 6 weeks out.
unless he has strapped her on a treadmill for 12 hours of the day ... hes straight lying and full of shit. thats it.
Yeah no way in hell. Did pasqual really say that?
Im struggling to hit 3200, and i feel full as shit. 4300 for a woman? Yeah right
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Im struggling to hit 3200, and i feel full as shit. 4300 for a woman? Yeah right
You're "struggling" to eat 3200 calories? Seriously? 6 large eggs and a tablespoon of lecithin is over 500 calories. A pint of sour cream with a scoop whey protein isolate is over a 1000 calories. A couple of scoops of whey isolate in heavy cream....as supplements, WTF, and that doesn't include your "regular" high fat and protein, low carb meals! Damn, get that checked!
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3xYoFmBnLG4
erick C and Jizz, this guy is saying at 2:45 or so, about the body fat being different than the fat u eat, im confused again
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3xYoFmBnLG4
erick C and Jizz, this guy is saying at 2:45 or so, about the body fat being different than the fat u eat, im confused again
The body fat that you have is the blubber hanging all over your body, that you acquired from eating carbs. The body fat you eat is one of the essentials, along with proteins, that you need to eat to be healthy. Look, if your are going to go for size, then at least do the basic research, of what you are supposed to be doing, nutritionally, to get there.
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3xYoFmBnLG4
And who the fuck is this guy on the video? He looks like the kid in the movie DELIVERANCE, who was sitting on the porch, playing the banjo. I couldn't even understand what he was mumbling.
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You guys are doing a real good job.
Good job at a making people terribly affraid of carbs.
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Just a reminder. Atheism is bloody bullshit believed only by naive retards like Erik Cretin and Thong Moron.
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You guys are doing a real good job.
Good job at a making people terribly affraid of carbs.
Thanks! They should be afraid of carbs.
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Just a reminder. Atheism is bloody bullshit believed only by naive retards like Erik Cretin and Thong Moron.
Correction: Atheism is a non belief.
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Correction: Atheism is a non belief.
Ron is just trolling us non-home schooled people.
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Erik, are you lean year round? What is your personal experience with eating this way?
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Thanks! They should be afraid of carbs.
Yes and no. Proper timing and such but been over this before. Some very good explanations given here, but the fact remains, you will feel like shit, get no pump (forget this if natty) but hunger is kept in check (only good thing about it)
many then feel ultra shitty after cheat days as the whole system is out of whack, takes days to feel normal, then suffer then whole 0 carb process again.
Enjoy fella's!
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Just a reminder. Atheism is bloody bullshit believed only by naive retards like Erik Cretin and Thong Moron.
Can we just cut the religous bullshit and just pray to the muscle gods or something already???
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Yes and no. Proper timing and such but been over this before. Some very good explanations given here, but the fact remains, you will feel like shit, get no pump (forget this if natty) but hunger is kept in check (only good thing about it)
many then feel ultra shitty after cheat days as the whole system is out of whack, takes days to feel normal, then suffer then whole 0 carb process again.
Enjoy fella's!
So far this has been relatively easy to stick to
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So far this has been relatively easy to stick to
Good then!
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Erik, are you lean year round? What is your personal experience with eating this way?
Yes. And, again, before the PEDs era came to be, when did the old skool natty guys do the this horse shit bulking, as in being fat slobs most of the year? They didn't! The old skool guys looked great all year!
I see now that you use drugs. You don't really care about your health and longevity, as the old skool guys did. You're looking for some easy short cut to get in shape. That won't happen. You need self discipline, in the Physical Culture sense. You eat what's good for you regardless of what you like, how it tastes, or what anyone else thinks about it.
This thread has gone all over the place, but the the answer is still the same. Either you do the low carb, high fat, and protein diet, with no, as in zero, cheating, to lose the blubber, or you don't. If you're not all in, then it won't work for you. That's the real world of the keto diet. Deal with it!
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Yes. And, again, before the PEDs era came to be, when did the old skool natty guys do the this horse shit bulking, as in being fat slobs most of the year? They didn't! The old skool guys looked great all year!
I see now that you use drugs. You don't really care about your health and longevity, as the old skool guys did. You're looking for some easy short cut to get in shape. That won't happen. You need self discipline, in the Physical Culture sense. You eat what's good for you regardless of what you like, how it tastes, or what anyone else thinks about it.
This thread has gone all over the place, but the the answer is still the same. Either you do the low carb, high fat, and protein diet, with no, as in zero, cheating, to lose the blubber, or you don't. If you're not all in, then it won't work for you. That's the real world of the keto diet. Deal with it!
not true, you can have cheat days and still lose fat if not doing keto. The way you make it sound, anybody who does not do keto will not get good results, kinda extreme. LIke saying you have to train with hit to make gains. It will vary, don't be such a natz in you're way of thinking.
Off to make some eggs drenched in delicous high carb ketchup with more tasty carbs in the form of 2 peanut butter and jam toasts. This is not keto, yet I'm lean, how is it?
DEal with that....
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not true, you can have cheat days and still lose fat if not doing keto. The way you make it sound, anybody who does not do keto will not get good results, kinda extreme. LIke saying you have to train with hit to make gains. It will vary, don't be such a natz in you're way of thinking.
Off to make some eggs drenched in delicous high carb ketchup with more tasty carbs in the form of 2 peanut butter and jam toasts. This is not keto, yet I'm lean, how is it?
DEal with that....
The OP's question was how to do keto diet correctly. I told him how to do it. If you want to do something else, then I don't care. I wasn't pushing my lifestyle diet. I was answering a question that was asked. You are the one that went off topic, and changed the subject. Typical of someone on a high carb diet, whose brain doesn't function optimally, because of carb pollution. Get well soon.
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The OP's question was how to do keto diet correctly. I told him how to do it. If you want to do something else, then I don't care. I wasn't pushing my lifestyle diet. I was answering a question that was asked. You are the one that went off topic, and changed the subject. Typical of someone on a high carb diet, whose brain doesn't function optimally, because of carb pollution. Get well soon.
LOL!!!
yup, wrong thread here, sorry man. You're right, it was about doing keto...
But you and you're "carbs make the brain dead remarks" oh man...
I was slow in noticing this as I'm totally baked like every night, new stuff and beyond potent...
So yeah, I'm well, very well thank you!
you?
Ah... You're in ketosis I bet and from the sounds of it, it's the most wonderful place on earth.
Enjoy!!!
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you?
Ah... You're in ketosis I bet and from the sounds of it, it's the most wonderful place on earth.
Enjoy!!!
;D ;D ;D
Keto is a wonderful diet/lifestyle. I do enjoy it.
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erick C and Jizz, this guy is saying at 2:45 or so, about the body fat being different than the fat u eat, im confused again
i dont understand shit what hes saying but i think hes talking about the "scientific research" that shows that lipolysis is increased on a keto diet vs a low fat diet (or any other).
the outcome is pretty much that they had measured the amount of fat burned per day in a study, and it was of course higher on the keto diet vs a low fat diet.
BUT that was because of course if you eat 200g fat a day vs 400g carbs a day and thats below your maintenance then everything of that is gonna be used as energy. so of course if you eat a ton of fat youll burn a ton of fat too, but its NOT more bodyfat that you burn, but the fat that you eat.
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i dont understand shit what hes saying but i think hes talking about the "scientific research" that shows that lipolysis is increased on a keto diet vs a low fat diet (or any other).
the outcome is pretty much that they had measured the amount of fat burned per day in a study, and it was of course higher on the keto diet vs a low fat diet.
BUT that was because of course if you eat 200g fat a day vs 400g carbs a day and thats below your maintenance then everything of that is gonna be used as energy. so of course if you eat a ton of fat youll burn a ton of fat too, but its NOT more bodyfat that you burn, but the fat that you eat.
So then eating a maintenence of 3200 of keto vs 3200 of low fat, will the keto make u lose fat even at maintenence? I think thT is the main question here...
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of course not
when you eat at maintenance you eat as much as you burn
how would you lose bodyfat then
fat oxidation is much higher on a keto diet, yes, but thats the fat oxidation from DIETARY fat
the thing with keto diets is that in a ketogenic state the fat absorption is probably a little less efficient (not talking about the thermogenic effect) so your calorie maintenance might be a little higher. thats debatable though. i know when i eat a lot of fat i sometimes shit out an oil like substance. piss also gets foamy. that might indicate that you excrete some fat undigested...
the real advantage of keto diets is the appetite suppression. for 99% of people its not HUNGER that fucks up your diet but APPETITE.
having very low insulin levels keeps appetite and cravings low too for most. except for the once a week cheat ;D ;D
but you see what happens
eat a keto diet for 2 weeks
then eat a small package of candy
BOOM its on
you cant stop until your stomach is short of detonating
thats what insulin does
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of course not
when you eat at maintenance you eat as much as you burn
how would you lose bodyfat then
fat oxidation is much higher on a keto diet, yes, but thats the fat oxidation from DIETARY fat
the thing with keto diets is that in a ketogenic state the fat absorption is probably a little less efficient (not talking about the thermogenic effect) so your calorie maintenance might be a little higher. thats debatable though. i know when i eat a lot of fat i sometimes shit out an oil like substance. piss also gets foamy. that might indicate that you excrete some fat undigested...
the real advantage of keto diets is the appetite suppression. for 99% of people its not HUNGER that fucks up your diet but APPETITE.
having very low insulin levels keeps appetite and cravings low too for most. except for the once a week cheat ;D ;D
but you see what happens
eat a keto diet for 2 weeks
then eat a small package of candy
BOOM its on
you cant stop until your stomach is short of detonating
thats what insulin does
Im just confused cuz at day 25, i am eating approx 3000 cals for those days, more so than i did when i was eating balanced diet at 2600 cals, and im visibly leaner and tighter
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Im just confused cuz at day 25, i am eating approx 3000 cals for those days, more so than i did when i was eating balanced diet at 2600 cals, and im visibly leaner and tighter
well, no carbs = no glycogen = no water retention = tighter
this is the keto look
flat and stringy but shredded
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well, no carbs = no glycogen = no water retention = tighter
this is the keto look
flat and stringy but shredded
Nice. I wonder if any of it is also fat loss though. I hear about people not counting cals like Go4ageForIt, and he said he never counted and got shredded. Im puttin olive oil (alot ) on eveything, eating red meat, salmon, chicken, and bacon sometimes. Its pretty satisfying. Im not being an idiot and eating salami and sausage like some of the shit the AD recommends.
Thanks for keep answering my questions Jizz
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but you see what happens
eat a keto diet for 2 weeks
then eat a small package of candy
BOOM its on
you cant stop until your stomach is short of detonating
thats what insulin does
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Yeah, I hear ya. I was on a keto diet for 3 weeks doing fantastic. And then I went to Costco and thought I'd have just one tiny free sample of pretzels with dark chocolate. Was just 3 tiny pretzels. Then a minute later I went back and grabbed another free sample of pretzels. Then it was on!! After I checked out and paid for my Costco groceries I went to the deli counter and ordered Sirloin wrap, two hot dogs and a french fry, and just pigged out. Then on the way home I went through Dairy Queen drive through and got a large double chocolate Blizzard. I was a bloated mess. But after 48 hours the bloat was gone.
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Nice. I wonder if any of it is also fat loss though. I hear about people not counting cals like Go4ageForIt, and he said he never counted and got shredded. Im puttin olive oil (alot ) on eveything, eating red meat, salmon, chicken, and bacon sometimes. Its pretty satisfying. Im not being an idiot and eating salami and sausage like some of the shit the AD recommends.
Thanks for keep answering my questions Jizz
if your weight continues to go down when youre depleted then yeah youre losing fat ;)
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My saturday meals were insane, pizza, cookies, beer, margarita, cereal, bagel, buritto bowl, and more cookies. I hope i didnt ruin things. Back on normal AD today