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Dorian used 750 test plus 500 deca and 50mg anavar
Kevin , test 600 a week, 400 deca and anadrol
Believe that? Maybe roids were much more potent then?
http://musculardevelopment.com/articles/chemical-enhancement/14337-the-lowdown-on-drugs-part-3-kevin-levrone-shawn-ray-dorian-yates-speak-out.html#.VeN1k1I8KnN
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no, I do not believe that at all.
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whatabout creatine? some would get by 3grams a day other would do 5grams and some would megadose 10grams
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Drug responses are genetic like everything else. Some people grow on small amounts , some don't. The people who take twice that and don't grow call shit. Life isn't fair
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Lee touches on this subject
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LOL!!!
What a discredit to themselves to eve talk about it if they're gonna BS like that. If they only needed so little, they could have contiuned on for another decade, Kevin especially...
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whatabout creatine? some would get by 3grams a day other would do 5grams and some would megadose 10grams
The usage of dextrose can allow 3 grams to be more effective than 10 grams used by itself (without dextrose)
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LOL!!!
What a discredit to themselves to eve talk about it if they're gonna BS like that. If they only needed so little, they could have contiuned on for another decade, Kevin especially...
I honestly think that they don't want young guys finding out their real dosages.... and consequently trying to match or EXCEED it
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If those test doses are per day, yeah.
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I honestly think that they don't want young guys finding out their real dosages.... and consequently trying to match or EXCEED it
Young guys will always have the more the merry attitude when it comes to drugs , if 700 is working than 1000 would do better. And when you have guys like Bostin Loyd telling them that who are they going to listen to anyway? Even if they were trying to downplay the dosages it's not likely to convince any young guys anyway
Dorian has always been a straight shooter it's his nature. When he was competing he admitted he was on steroids but he would never disclose the dosages. Well after he retired and his supposed cycle was disclosed and he addressed it as bullshit ye still didn't disclose the amounts. Now that he has , people don't believe it. I think this speaks on them more than the Pros who do admit it.
It's no coincidence that the guys back then trained harder and looked better. Dorian as many people have said is a very straight forward no nonsense type of guy , Kevin Horton who has known him for 30 years has said he's the most honest person , especially in a sport where a lot of shit if talked. Dorian was one of the first people to call out Victor Richard's 30,000 calories has bullshit. Shaw as well has always been known as a person who didn't hold back , even when competing he said he wasn't going to take it to the limits other guys would and mentioned Nasser by name.
In the end the only person who knows is the pro themselves. What does he have to gain by lying?
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How old were you when you did your first cycle of steroids? Do you feel you were old enough? What was the cycle, and what type of results did you experience?
SR: I had just turned 20 and was coming off my overall victory in the NPC Teenage National Championship in Atlanta, Georgia. It was a time of trepidation for me. I knew this chemical aspect was present, however I just never wanted it to be a part of my economy as an athlete. Yet I also knew there were beneficial aspects to help growth, recovery and condition, and that these drugs were designed to aid and assist bodybuilders in their progress and competitive edge. I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t scared, but like the majority of bodybuilders with any credible measure of success, I too would have to cross this bridge to get to the other side. I was on the verge of becoming my own person, making adult decisions, and this would for sure be one of them. I did a very light cycle of Anavar and Winstrol V for six weeks for that contest, and found myself in the victory circle again, a mere five months after becoming the best teenage bodybuilder in America. I was now the best junior champion in the world, at 20 years old.
Pretty fucking impressive just 1 year on gear
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As natural as a GH gut.
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Young guys will always have the more the merry attitude when it comes to drugs , if 700 is working than 1000 would do better. And when you have guys like Bostin Loyd telling them that who are they going to listen to anyway? Even if they were trying to downplay the dosages it's not likely to convince any young guys anyway
Dorian has always been a straight shooter it's his nature. When he was competing he admitted he was on steroids but he would never disclose the dosages. Well after he retired and his supposed cycle was disclosed and he addressed it as bullshit ye still didn't disclose the amounts. Now that he has , people don't believe it. I think this speaks on them more than the Pros who do admit it.
It's no coincidence that the guys back then trained harder and looked better. Dorian as many people have said is a very straight forward no nonsense type of guy , Kevin Horton who has known him for 30 years has said he's the most honest person , especially in a sport where a lot of shit if talked. Dorian was one of the first people to call out Victor Richard's 30,000 calories has bullshit. Shaw as well has always been known as a person who didn't hold back , even when competing he said he wasn't going to take it to the limits other guys would and mentioned Nasser by name.
In the end the only person who knows is the pro themselves. What does he have to gain by lying?
The whole bodybuilding industry is built on deception. Dorian has his own supplement company/line that didn't exist when he was competing yet he's using the Mr.O winning build to sell his products.
As someone here said much better than I can paraphrase, Kevin spent years as being a runner up in the sport he devoted his life to, his pushed the physical limits of his body, but he didn't experiment with using more drugs, whatever he claimed he used was the "sweet spot" for growth....... yet he hasn't revealed the same information with food consumption, weight poundages/exercise selection, and so on. ::)
No doubt these are good dudes, who are all time greats and are extremely knowledgeable about the contests they dominated, however they would have a lot to lose if they were completely honest about their drug regimen, I mean one of Dorian's two losses came against a guy who died after winning the show.
Arnold said steroids are just the finishing touch, yet he's never revealed what he took, why? The answer is because the general public has no idea how much these guys sacrificed to get to that level, and they'd be shocked, even appalled if the truth did come out.
*Mike Morris did a video where he talked about his drug use, and no one questions him. Genetics are undoubtedly the most important factor, no amount of drugs or training will make someone a champion if their body/talent isn't there.
As you said some use more some use less, life isn't fair, but ultimately we don't know.
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The whole bodybuilding industry is built on deception. Dorian has his own supplement company/line that didn't exist when he was competing yet he's using the Mr.O winning build to sell his products.
As someone here said much better than I can paraphrase, Kevin spent years as being a runner up in the sport he devoted his life to, his pushed the physical limits of his body, but he didn't experiment with using more drugs, whatever he claimed he used was the "sweet spot" for growth....... yet he hasn't revealed the same information with food consumption, weight poundages/exercise selection, and so on. ::)
No doubt these are good dudes, who are all time greats and are extremely knowledgeable about the contests they dominated, however they would have a lot to lose if they were completely honest about their drug regimen, I mean one of Dorian's two losses came against a guy who died after winning the show.
Arnold said steroids are just the finishing touch, yet he's never revealed what he took, why? The answer is because the general public has no idea how much these guys sacrificed to get to that level, and they'd be shocked, even appalled if the truth did come out.
*Mike Morris did a video where he talked about his drug use, and no one questions him. Genetics are undoubtedly the most important factor, no amount of drugs or training will make someone a champion if their body/talent isn't there.
As you said some use more some use less, life isn't fair, but ultimately we don't know.
You make some great points in the end the only ones who know what they took are them. And it's up to the person to decide if they believe them or not.
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You make some great points in the end the only ones who know what they took are them. And it's up to the person to decide if they believe them or not.
Agreed.
It's funny how often this topic comes up, because no one ever wants the truth. If those guys did use a little they're lying if the admit to using tons they're suicidal drug addicts.
I met Shawn Ray at a gym once and my buddy started talking to him about drugs and Shawn started asking him what contests he had done and where did he end up placing. Long story short Ray said if he couldn't win a local show drug free why did he think steroids would make the difference, it was a pretty profound statement.
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They're telling the truth, the fact is that all the Internet gym rats who are slamming way higher doses than the pros did are pissed off and call them liars because they still look like shit because they can't stay consistent with diet and training.
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They're telling the truth, the fact is that all the Internet gym rats who are slamming way higher doses than the pros did are pissed off and call them liars because they still look like shit because they can't stay consistent with diet and training.
Weak trolling.....
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They're telling the truth, the fact is that all the Internet gym rats who are slamming way higher doses than the pros did are pissed off and call them liars because they still look like shit because they can't stay consistent with diet and training.
True. I believe Dorian, maybe his doses were twice a week. He even admitted that was his cycle in 93 and later he used more.
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True. I believe Dorian, maybe his doses were twice a week. He even admitted that was his cycle in 93 and later he used more.
Get a grip... I know some of the Brit guys from his era and they slammed the gear, unlike the states the Brit seminars and the pro's that took them were very open, and your eyes were opened.. I was shocked when I read a cycle that was wrote out by a 90's Brit pro for a close friend of mine, more or less 2ml sus per day, plus Decca and orals... It was all short cycles with a week or 2 off then start again
So he took almost a weekly dose of what his peers were doing daily, and this was mr hardcore Yates?...if you believe that I've got some magic beans for sale..
Only thing that wasn't huge was slin and gh, it was something they were all getting to grips with, but they all had that 250+ size anyway, Harrison and Ellwood were over 280 before the heavy slin/gh trends
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The whole bodybuilding industry is built on deception. Dorian has his own supplement company/line that didn't exist when he was competing yet he's using the Mr.O winning build to sell his products.
As someone here said much better than I can paraphrase, Kevin spent years as being a runner up in the sport he devoted his life to, his pushed the physical limits of his body, but he didn't experiment with using more drugs, whatever he claimed he used was the "sweet spot" for growth....... yet he hasn't revealed the same information with food consumption, weight poundages/exercise selection, and so on. ::)
No doubt these are good dudes, who are all time greats and are extremely knowledgeable about the contests they dominated, however they would have a lot to lose if they were completely honest about their drug regimen, I mean one of Dorian's two losses came against a guy who died after winning the show.
Arnold said steroids are just the finishing touch, yet he's never revealed what he took, why? The answer is because the general public has no idea how much these guys sacrificed to get to that level, and they'd be shocked, even appalled if the truth did come out.
*Mike Morris did a video where he talked about his drug use, and no one questions him. Genetics are undoubtedly the most important factor, no amount of drugs or training will make someone a champion if their body/talent isn't there.
As you said some use more some use less, life isn't fair, but ultimately we don't know.
The info he gave was all shit. He did not admit to anything little runt... He would just say " I heard of guys using x amount." Really??? Wow man, super hardcore info buddy, thanks....
See, we've all heard of so and so using x amount also so shit like that was just some stunt to have people talk about him.
He still compete?
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Agreed.
It's funny how often this topic comes up, because no one ever wants the truth. If those guys did use a little they're lying if the admit to using tons they're suicidal drug addicts.
I met Shawn Ray at a gym once and my buddy started talking to him about drugs and Shawn started asking him what contests he had done and where did he end up placing. Long story short Ray said if he couldn't win a local show drug free why did he think steroids would make the difference, it was a pretty profound statement.
Local shows now have everyone rather juiced up... But he does have a point. If you're gifted, for sure winning on that level can be done natty.
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The usage of dextrose can allow 3 grams to be more effective than 10 grams used by itself (without dextrose)
Do not forget the "loading phase".
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Local shows now have everyone rather juiced up... But he does have a point. If you're gifted, for sure winning on that level can be done natty.
I doubt it.... Maybe an under 18 or a 1st timer class... Not a chance in novice or weight classes, did u ever see pics of haney for example when he was 17/18 and natty, couldn't have won anything, wasn't until he gassed up that he filled out
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I doubt it.... Maybe an under 18 or a 1st timer class... Not a chance in novice or weight classes
It's doubtful yes, but the guy who can do that natty has a good chance of turning pro. The guy who is juiced on 5 products to win some local show is not giving himself much chance to make it in the next higher up levels.
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Lee touches on this subject
Lee is great
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Cannot believe some of you guys believe those doses. Didn't think anyone was that gullible.
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The info he gave was all shit. He did not admit to anything little runt... He would just say " I heard of guys using x amount." Really??? Wow man, super hardcore info buddy, thanks....
See, we've all heard of so and so using x amount also so shit like that was just some stunt to have people talk about him.
He still compete?
You sure? I thought he gave some of his usage numbers in that interview he did after he did the Olympia drug free (it's been awhile since I watched it so I could be wrong)
Morris talked about winning shows drug free as a teen too and how the steroids didn't give him the size he thought it would. He retired because he was looking at kidney failure.
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You sure? I thought he gave some of his usage numbers in that interview he did after he did the Olympia drug free (it's been awhile since I watched it so I could be wrong)
Morris talked about winning shows drug free as a teen too and how the steroids didn't give him the size he thought it would. He retired because he was looking at kidney failure.
I'm 90% sure. I remember not being impressed by his BS interview but why was I surprised? They never disclose any juice info, never!
If a pro was natty, he would go in the natty category. To even think for a second a pro is natty in a non tested even is kinda foolish... As even in the tested events, they're all on gear...
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Considering my comparitive miniscule steroid use I don't see how anyone w/ even a minor amount of steroid knowledge could not see Dorian's & Levrone's long term use will not cause a degree of long-term endogenous testosterone production impairment. You can bet your ass 99% of former pro & amateur bb'ers must continue at the least to require 250mg of Sustanon per week for the rest of they're lives just to maintain normal testosterone levels. You can't screw w/ the endocrine system as bb'ers do & not expect some permanent health problems.
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From a pro I've known for years and has no reason to lie because the context in which it was told bore no consequences. Take it anyway you want.
"Short version of the story is I was competing at nationals using higher then normal doses but still somewhat within reasonable dosages most guys use......i had a video shoot with a top olympia 212 competitor and we got talking about gear, I told him my doses and he shook his head with a smug look on his face an responded "kid I dont use 1/4 of the shit ur using, if u need all that gear just to be at nationals then u need to think of a career change because no one uses that much gear, ur genetics are just inferior and u will never make it...."
I was so distrought, depressed, and frankly devestated, I went to visit family in NY and was a girl hair away from giving up on everything. I met kai greene in the gym, I trained 2x a day and so did he, and we saw eachother all day every day for a few days but I didnt wanna disturb him. He approached me and asked how ling id be in town and offered to train with me since we had similar training styles etc....
End of the story is I told him I was gonna give it up because of what this 212 pro told me, he was annoyed and told me that he was completley full of shit, and that he was running almost as much gear as kai. He then called this particular guy, put him on speaker and candidly asked " so how much suspension u running now?" he response was " eh 300mg 3x a day, but that may increase...." So kai was tbe only guy who ever shot straight with me, the only one."
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"Put it this way EVERYONE in the mainstream pro circuit competing in the arnold, olympia, actually everyone whos actively competing and doing well on the pro circuit at all even in lower level shows like ny pro etc. are running a minimum of 1g test A DAY, not even factoring in everything else becuz each guy has there preferences as far as how much deca, eq, dbol, drol etc. but an overall fair assessment is that everyone without fail is running 1g test a day minimum..... Most are at the 10g per week mark with test because thats what it takes to maintain 270lbs of pure lean muscle"
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All for a fleeting ego boost & a $3 plastic trophy. Screw that. No one, least of all hot chicks, gives a shit.
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"Sponsers 100% do not supy aas/gh, g15 is just maki.g that up, literally no company does that. The contract ur sponser makes u sign actually states that u will only use, advertise, and promote the products assigned to you, and illegal drug use will result in contract termination. (obviously the sponsers know ur juicing but u know, legal shit) if u look at a bodybuilders progression throughout their career u will see, the more $$ they make the bigger they seem to get. I know many guys have a sponser, even at a beginner level sponser, for a nop national guy or a new pro.....ill use my first sponser as an example. I was a top national guy, picked up a sponser, took home 4000$ a month after taxes. I literally SPENT EVERY PENNY of that on gear, I kept my bouncing and dancing gigs to pay bills, but my bills were cheap, kept them low based off my goals. Small apt, no cable, basic car.....etc. Turned pro, my salary doubled, took home a little over 8k a month. This new contract made me travel every weekend during my off season, so I couldnt really bounce or dance anymore but I didnt need too, since my girl makes money as well, she helped with bills and we continued to keep our bills In check until I began winning shows and using the prize money to invest in a few business ventures that also provide me income. As well as raises from the sponser as ur popularity increases. bodybuilding is very expensive, thats why if u want to excel u need to be willing and able to invest into urself to an extreme degree. This will take some selfishness, but it is necessary. Sadly, a cop with a family probably isnt going to make it, simply for financial restraints."
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Dorian used 750 test plus 500 deca and 50mg anavar
Kevin , test 600 a week, 400 deca and anadrol
Believe that? Maybe roids were much more potent then?
http://musculardevelopment.com/articles/chemical-enhancement/14337-the-lowdown-on-drugs-part-3-kevin-levrone-shawn-ray-dorian-yates-speak-out.html#.VeN1k1I8KnN
total BS
multiply those doses by 3-5 and add in many other drugs
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How old were you when you did your first cycle of steroids? Do you feel you were old enough? What was the cycle, and what type of results did you experience?
SR: I had just turned 20 and was coming off my overall victory in the NPC Teenage National Championship in Atlanta, Georgia. It was a time of trepidation for me. I knew this chemical aspect was present, however I just never wanted it to be a part of my economy as an athlete. Yet I also knew there were beneficial aspects to help growth, recovery and condition, and that these drugs were designed to aid and assist bodybuilders in their progress and competitive edge. I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t scared, but like the majority of bodybuilders with any credible measure of success, I too would have to cross this bridge to get to the other side. I was on the verge of becoming my own person, making adult decisions, and this would for sure be one of them. I did a very light cycle of Anavar and Winstrol V for six weeks for that contest, and found myself in the victory circle again, a mere five months after becoming the best teenage bodybuilder in America. I was now the best junior champion in the world, at 20 years old.
Pretty fucking impressive just 1 year on gear
yes, it would be if it was actually true
Shawn was juicing since he was 16 and he was using a lot more than a "light cycle of winstrol and anavar"
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All for a fleeting ego boost & a $3 plastic trophy. Screw that. No one, least of all hot chicks, give a shit.
You really think that all you get winning the Arnold or the Mr. O is a trophy?
That's like saying all a UFC fighter gets is a belt.
Jay was going to school to be a corrections officer. Ronnie could have stayed just being a cop. Heath would be in some cubicle complaining about how the man is always keeping a brother down.
Not everyone is content with the 8-5 gig. As one bber put it: "It sucks to be normal."
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"Put it this way EVERYONE in the mainstream pro circuit competing in the arnold, olympia, actually everyone whos actively competing and doing well on the pro circuit at all even in lower level shows like ny pro etc. are running a minimum of 1g test A DAY, not even factoring in everything else becuz each guy has there preferences as far as how much deca, eq, dbol, drol etc. but an overall fair assessment is that everyone without fail is running 1g test a day minimum..... Most are at the 10g per week mark with test because thats what it takes to maintain 270lbs of pure lean muscle"
thankyou pellius for some truth on this topic!
well known story in BB industry: a UK pro Shawn Dino Davis (who had a kidney transplant) went to see Kev levrone's dr in the USA.
Kev's dr told him that as a pro, if you are not using minimum 10-12 ml of test/week = approx. 3 grams sustanon 250/or other form of test/week you are wasting your time trying to make it as a pro
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You really think that all you get winning the Arnold or the Mr. O is a trophy?
That's like saying all a UFC fighter gets is a belt.
Jay was going to school to be a corrections officer. Ronnie could have stayed just being a cop. Heath would be in some cubicle complaining about how the man is always keeping a brother down.
Not everyone is content with the 8-5 gig. As one bber put it: "It sucks to be normal."
As I'm sure many former pro bb ers are sayin' now "It sucks to be dead".
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As I'm sure many former pro bb ers are sayin' now "It sucks to be dead".
No, they're not.
What do you do for a living?
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Lol are you fuckin bozos still arguing and fantasizing about how much gear the pros take haha, get a grip, you're grown men and should be ashamed
Why are you here on a bbing board?
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Lol are you fuckin bozos still arguing and fantasizing about how much gear the pros take haha, get a grip, you're grown men and should be ashamed
GetBiggers have no shame :D
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"Put it this way EVERYONE in the mainstream pro circuit competing in the arnold, olympia, actually everyone whos actively competing and doing well on the pro circuit at all even in lower level shows like ny pro etc. are running a minimum of 1g test A DAY, not even factoring in everything else becuz each guy has there preferences as far as how much deca, eq, dbol, drol etc. but an overall fair assessment is that everyone without fail is running 1g test a day minimum..... Most are at the 10g per week mark with test because thats what it takes to maintain 270lbs of pure lean muscle"
I can maintain 215lb at 10% on 250mgs test a week to 10 days so why would it take 25,000 mgs to maintain an extra 55lb?
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I can maintain 215lb at 10% on 250mgs test a week to 10 days so why would it take 25,000 mgs to maintain an extra 55lb?
Rule of diminishing returns?
500mg test enanthate put a good 20lbs on me. But using 1000mg would not put another 20, more like 5.
Stupid me, thought I'd go pro when I saw how good and "special like" I responded to gear I was thinking, lol...
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Agreed.
It's funny how often this topic comes up, because no one ever wants the truth. If those guys did use a little they're lying if the admit to using tons they're suicidal drug addicts.
I met Shawn Ray at a gym once and my buddy started talking to him about drugs and Shawn started asking him what contests he had done and where did he end up placing. Long story short Ray said if he couldn't win a local show drug free why did he think steroids would make the difference, it was a pretty profound statement.
Actually Shawn is wrong, natural training vs enhanced training are very different. I've seen it with my own eyes, some people look good natural training and when jumping on steroids make minimal improvements, others build a decent build but jump on steroids and are "hyper responders" this is the key
It's all about the genetic response, if you got that u can do fairly well with bbing
It's very hard to tell unless someone jumps on the sauce to find out what their potential are
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Dorian used 750 test plus 500 deca and 50mg anavar
Kevin , test 600 a week, 400 deca and anadrol
Believe that? Maybe roids were much more potent then?
http://musculardevelopment.com/articles/chemical-enhancement/14337-the-lowdown-on-drugs-part-3-kevin-levrone-shawn-ray-dorian-yates-speak-out.html#.VeN1k1I8KnN
Dorian stated that those doses were used during his mass cycles. You have forgotten about growth hormone in that stack. Plus, if legit steroids were used, it's a decent amount.
Same for Kevin, plus he used 3-4 anadrol-50, a extremely powerfull steroid.
Once again, genetics are everything.
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Dorian stated that those doses were used during his mass cycles. You have forgotten about growth hormone in that stack. Plus, if legit steroids were used, it's a decent amount.
Same for Kevin, plus he used 3-4 anadrol-50, a extremely powerfull steroid.
Once again, genetics are everything.
Come on.... You cant be serious?
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The 90's guys are probably honest about how much test and anabolics they are taking.
But they were also taking legit kigs which makes you blow up lean from within the muscle.
All the difference in the world really.
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The 90's guys are probably honest about how much test and anabolics they are taking.
But they were also taking legit kigs which makes you blow up lean from within the muscle.
All the difference in the world really.
Please explain this, something u hear repeated on forums and that dumbass gh15 ::)
U don't know what u are talking about
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The only good dishonest thing most pros do is downplay how much gear they were on
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I can maintain 215lb at 10% on 250mgs test a week to 10 days so why would it take 25,000 mgs to maintain an extra 55lb?
It isn't a linear progression like each addition gram adds 10 pounds of muscle. It get exponentially harder until it just stops no matter what you do or take.
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The 90's guys are probably honest about how much test and anabolics they are taking.
But they were also taking legit kigs which makes you blow up lean from within the muscle.
All the difference in the world really.
Legit Kigs didn't even appear until 2012 and then only for about 3 months.
Get out while you can.
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I bet 99% of these guys always underplay what they take purely because who is going to admit to massive drug abuse? It's hardly something to be proud of and you can't claim how wonderful your genetics are so they lie. Simple as that.
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Legit Kigs didn't even appear until 2012 and then only for about 3 months.
Get out while you can.
You probably doubt that the German soldiers had dianabol and legit kigs too, don't you?
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you'd have to be really retarded and stupid to even remotely believe those were their dosages. Extreme BB is on a totally different level than your gym rat experiences. They probably took everything they could get their hands on. They don't disclose the dosages cause they would be mindblowing. Consider this, just to carry around so much muslce mass, barely breath and be a monster requires some mental issues to get to that level. And all these people who do that shit are somehow mentally ill. And mentally ill people give a shit about anything else but their crazy goals even if those goals bring them to the brink of an early death.
If you want to be the best at a ''sport'' which requires you being huge and shredded and the gear makes that possible than you know you'll do just about anything to get there. We are all somehow fucked in our heads for paying so much attention to eating, training and of course many of us to drugs. If you admit it or not.
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I'll be honest, believe me if you like or call it bullshit I don't care but the base for a pro bodybuilders cycle is min 8grams test according to the current model
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How many of you have had a pro stay in your house, keep his shit in your fridge, and source his supplements (because he was visiting you and is from a different country) prior to him qualifying for the Olympia?
These mega doses are pure Jackanory (look it up).
Yes, some people take crazy amounts, but not all.
As for 90s guys all slamming in 10gms of test, In the 1990s I came up with a bunch of guys who turned pro, knew their supplier extremely well, and whilst doses varied they were not what some of you want to believe.
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The successful body builders I know took the lowest dosages of test. Less than 1 gram... however they said the secret was no to just take lots of test but smaller dosages of lots of different compounds.
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You probably doubt that the German soldiers had dianabol and legit kigs too, don't you?
Just Kigtropins.
There has never been any HGH labelled as Kigtropin prior to maybe 2010-11 at the earliest.
You probably believe that gh15 is an IFBB pro and that Dennis Wolf is his top pupil. don't you?
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Dorian used 750 test plus 500 deca and 50mg anavar
Kevin , test 600 a week, 400 deca and anadrol
Believe that? Maybe roids were much more potent then?
http://musculardevelopment.com/articles/chemical-enhancement/14337-the-lowdown-on-drugs-part-3-kevin-levrone-shawn-ray-dorian-yates-speak-out.html#.VeN1k1I8KnN
Just bullshit article to get readers bcz they know its a popular subject. everyone wanne know...and they just thro out some shit in the air and people buy read talk about it...
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The successful body builders I know took the lowest dosages of test. Less than 1 gram... however they said the secret was no to just take lots of test but smaller dosages of lots of different compounds.
Like who?
No reason to hide their identity because this would be a great source of pride. If it turned out Ronnie took only a gram of Test a week
his greatness would grow even more.
Who are these successful bodybuilders you claim to personally know?
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Like who?
No reason to hide their identity because this would be a great source of pride. If it turned out Ronnie took only a gram of Test a week
his greatness would grow even more.
Who are these successful bodybuilders you claim to personally know?
Lol, obviously they're really successful and very well known.
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I'm guessing these guys are on around 3.5 grams of test per week.
I'd rather look like Arnold in comando, which I think could be attained at 750 test plus 500 deca a week
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I'm guessing these guys are on around 3.5 grams of test per week.
I'd rather look like Arnold in comando, which I think could be attained at 750 test plus 500 deca a week
X2...
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Weider always downplayed drugs in bodybuilding. How else are you going to sell Mega Mass one zillion if the pros were to tell the truth that they don't take it?
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Weider always downplayed drugs in bodybuilding. How else are you going to sell Mega Mass one zillion if the pros were to tell the truth that they don't take it?
When I was 16 that's how I thought I would look like Shawn ray or Kevin, by mega mass 3000. All it did was make me have diarrhea ... I was so delusional , I even bought those damn cybergenics kits!
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When I was 16 that's how I thought I would look like Shawn ray or Kevin, by mega mass 3000. All it did was make me have diarrhea ... I was so delusional , I even bought those damn cybergenics kits!
I remember getting that stuff thinking I had something special... Saved up my $$$ a while like 3 pouches. Will never forget the foul/disgusting taste after my first sip.
Did everything to make it taste better. Vanilla extract, banana, but it was impossible. Fuckin' Weider and his bullshit empire deserves a massive crash and burn. Flat out the biggest snake oil salesman of all time.
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I remember getting that stuff thinking I had something special... Saved up my $$$ a while like 3 pouches. Will never forget the foul/disgusting taste after my first sip.
Did everything to make it taste better. Vanilla extract, banana, but it was impossible. Fuckin' Weider and his bullshit empire deserves a massive crash and burn. Flat out the biggest snake oil salesman of all time.
I SAID 2 CUPS WHOLE MILK :o,,I WOULD RE-READ LABEL OVER AND OVER JUST TO MAKE SURE..BLEW MY INTENSTINES OUT WITHIN 1/2 HR AFTERWARDS..
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I SAID 2 CUPS WHOLE MILK :o,,I WOULD RE-READ LABEL OVER AND OVER JUST TO MAKE SURE..BLEW MY INTENSTINES OUT WITHIN 1/2 HR AFTERWARDS..
I used to stare at the box for like half the day as it was sitting on the counter thinking "why?"...
the scoops were the same size as a Tide scoop to clean your clothes. I can almost smell/taste the shit as I type this, lol!
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I used to stare at the box for like half the day as it was sitting on the counter thinking "why?"...
the scoops were the same size as a Tide scoop to clean your clothes. I can almost smell/taste the shit as I type this, lol!
I BELIEVE IT HAD TIDE MIXED IN TOO AS AN EMULSIFIER..
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I BELIEVE IT HAD TIDE MIXED IN TOO AS AN EMULSIFIER..
Probably made in the same factory...
Should have kept some to see how it fares as laundry detergent. Probably would have done a better job than it's role as a "weight gainer"
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I'll be honest, believe me if you like or call it bullshit I don't care but the base for a pro bodybuilders cycle is min 8grams test according to the current model
Yep. 7 grams is the norm, then add in everything else.
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Take it for what it's worth, here in Dallas Jeff Dwelle is a well known "guru" contest prep coach in the area. He is one of the few that has seen branch's protocols, prep cycles. In his own words "I can't believe he's still alive!!" Somewhere in the 8+ grams a wk
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Sounds like test dosages must have come up a lot in recent times :D
I remember when Titus wanted talk shit about modern bb, in a jailhouse interview
he said about Branch, "that's 3 grams of test a week right there" like it
was some crazy thing.
So now a gram+ a day is standard for pros? I don't know about that.
Some otherwise credible people have said Kai was doing a gram a day of just test,
have no problem believing it in that case, but is it standard now for real?
Lets say guys have doubled or tripled their dosages in recent years, well, it's not doing much from what I can see.
Sure, someone like Branch has surprised me with his longevity, but he isn't growing much, has just managed to hang on for longer than I thought :D
I think 10 gram cycles require plenty of narcotics to be tolerable. :D
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Take it for what it's worth, here in Dallas Jeff Dwelle is a well known "guru" contest prep coach in the area. He is one of the few that has seen branch's protocols, prep cycles. In his own words "I can't believe he's still alive!!" Somewhere in the 8+ grams a wk
big doses and genetic hyper- responders like Dorian, Kevin, Shawn ray= champion BB's
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big doses + crap genetic response = "natural " BB's of today
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big doses + crap genetic response = Bostin Loyd
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I'm guessing these guys are on around 3.5 grams of test per week.
I'd rather look like Arnold in comando, which I think could be attained at 750 test plus 500 deca a week
Have you tried it? If not, why not. You said you wanted to look like Arnold and have the precise prescription to attain that look.
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Have you tried it? If not, why not. You said you wanted to look like Arnold and have the precise prescription to attain that look.
Done 400 test and deca and grew like a weed and I think I looked as big as Arnold in commando
I think the difference is in real pharm products vs UG with who knows what's in that shit
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Done 400 test and deca and grew like a weed and I think I looked as big as Arnold in commando
I think the difference is in real pharm products vs UG with who knows what's in that shit
LOL = "you think you looked as big as Arnold in 'Commando'"
if you honestly believe that it takes 3.5grams of test / week to get huge then you have no clue...
WHY do people give a flying shit what any bodybuilder does? They don't owe you an answer at all and they all should just say "nun ya" when they are asked.
As far as them talking about supplements and people crying like retards calling them liars - really??? They are advertising... When Katie Holmes does a make-up ad does your dumb ass actually think she used that brand??? Do you even think she does her own make-up??
Is it REALLY Maybelline??? LOL Herbal Essence will really make your hair look like a super model.
Bret Farve credits his clean shave to some new wonder razor that only costs $20 for an entire year!!! Peyton Manning absolutely loves Pappa Johns Pizza.. Jared was a wonderful - all American guy that would never lie when he says he lost 200 lbs by walking and eating Subway??? LOL
There are a few normal - successful guys on here but there are a ton of morons. Take a look at your lives - there is a reason you are where you are and the reason is YOU..
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LOL = "you think you looked as big as Arnold in 'Commando'"
if you honestly believe that it takes 3.5grams of test / week to get huge then you have no clue...
WHY do people give a flying shit what any bodybuilder does? They don't owe you an answer at all and they all should just say "nun ya" when they are asked.
As far as them talking about supplements and people crying like retards calling them liars - really??? They are advertising... When Katie Holmes does a make-up ad does your dumb ass actually think she used that brand??? Do you even think she does her own make-up??
Is it REALLY Maybelline??? LOL Herbal Essence will really make your hair look like a super model.
Bret Farve credits his clean shave to some new wonder razor that only costs $20 for an entire year!!! Peyton Manning absolutely loves Pappa Johns Pizza.. Jared was a wonderful - all American guy that would never lie when he says he lost 200 lbs by walking and eating Subway??? LOL
There are a few normal - successful guys on here but there are a ton of morons. Take a look at your lives - there is a reason you are where you are and the reason is YOU..
KAPOW....
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Take a look at your lives - there is a reason you are where you are and the reason is YOU..
This is a hurtful quote. But I believe it to be true. I need to get my act together.
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LOL = "you think you looked as big as Arnold in 'Commando'"
if you honestly believe that it takes 3.5grams of test / week to get huge then you have no clue...
WHY do people give a flying shit what any bodybuilder does? They don't owe you an answer at all and they all should just say "nun ya" when they are asked.
As far as them talking about supplements and people crying like retards calling them liars - really??? They are advertising... When Katie Holmes does a make-up ad does your dumb ass actually think she used that brand??? Do you even think she does her own make-up??
Is it REALLY Maybelline??? LOL Herbal Essence will really make your hair look like a super model.
Bret Farve credits his clean shave to some new wonder razor that only costs $20 for an entire year!!! Peyton Manning absolutely loves Pappa Johns Pizza.. Jared was a wonderful - all American guy that would never lie when he says he lost 200 lbs by walking and eating Subway??? LOL
There are a few normal - successful guys on here but there are a ton of morons. Take a look at your lives - there is a reason you are where you are and the reason is YOU..
Why the meltdown? Sounds like a fucking kelly Clarkson song
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Why the meltdown? Sounds like a fucking kelly Clarkson song
Who is Kelly Clarkson??? ???
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Sounds like test dosages must have come up a lot in recent times :D
I remember when Titus wanted talk shit about modern bb, in a jailhouse interview
he said about Branch, "that's 3 grams of test a week right there" like it
was some crazy thing.
So now a gram+ a day is standard for pros? I don't know about that.
Some otherwise credible people have said Kai was doing a gram a day of just test,
have no problem believing it in that case, but is it standard now for real?
Lets say guys have doubled or tripled their dosages in recent years, well, it's not doing much from what I can see.
Sure, someone like Branch has surprised me with his longevity, but he isn't growing much, has just managed to hang on for longer than I thought :D
I think 10 gram cycles require plenty of narcotics to be tolerable. :D
8+ grams was the total, not just test, if that's what u are referring too :D
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Done 400 test and deca and grew like a weed and I think I looked as big as Arnold in commando
I think the difference is in real pharm products vs UG with who knows what's in that shit
Pics?
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I can believe that. Surely pre contest they lower the test though.
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A friend of mine is good friends with a local IFBB Pro. (Not giving names cause he might read this board) Anyway this local pro competed in a show with Branch Warren and afterwards they talked dosages. He told my friend that Branch was pretty open and said he uses 3g of test as his base
Yep, just ask Jeff dwelle , the local Dallas contest prep guy ;) he's actually pretty cool, he doesn't advise his clients to do more than they want or should. I know another "guru" who would want his first timers on gh, insulin from the get go. Keep in mind some of these guys are competing for the first time and know little about gear usage and he wants them full blown on everything. Crazy